The rural vs urban vote
Rural voters
By Mingeli Palata
It is a fresh and new week, pretty different from last week’s campaigns, energy and enthusiasm; at least Zambians had something on their minds that kept them away from their poverty. Zambia voted and a new president has been elected. Rupiah Bwezani Banda is Zambia’s fourth. Hate it or love it!
Yes the election is done and over with but there are a lot of issues that have come out in this election that merit our serious consideration.
Everybody agrees that this has been a tight race, very close. The voting patterns are not so different from what most us had predicted. Michael Sata claims his own along the line of rail plus the Northern and Luapula provinces, Hikainde gets his Southern province, Rupiah wins Eastern, Central Western and North Western provinces. Yes not so different from the 2006 election.
Notice how easy it was for any political strategist to predict the results or the voting pattern in a similar vein it doesn’t take a pundit to see that Zambians voted on regional lines. As expected the easterners went yako ni yako, the Northern and Luapula provinces went for their own Sata and the Southern province maintained their default voting pattern. Of course there may have been some who voted purely on competence but the dynamics of rural politics all point to regionalism in the voting pattern. This comrades is a very vicious reality. Regionalism or any form of tribalism is detrimental to national development and risks disturbing the much talked about peace that our beloved country enjoys.
urban voters
From regionalism, another issue that has re-surfaced in this election is the divide between the rural and urban votes and this has been the trend in most African countries, talk of Kenya, Zimbabwe and now Zambia. In any given election that has taken place in the last 15 years, the urban population has gone for the opposition while the rural population has voted for the ruling party. This is the trend, did you notice? For me this shows that the urban population are not satisfied with the way the ruling party have been governing this country. The urban voters are not happy and this is a big failure on the part of government or the ruling party; they have lost the urban vote in three elections in not more than 10 years.
Fine, you can talk about the country having registered a 5% annual economic growth rate, having reduced inflation and so forth but the question is how that translates to the common man. The people in Kanyama and Mwanabombwe don’t care about the inflation; they don’t care about 5% economic growth, what is 5% economic growth when they are buying mealie meal at K50, 000.00 per bag? What is inflation below 10% when every time they get on a bus the fare is increased? All the much chorused economic gains the country has made don’t mean a thing if the average pay is K300, 000.00 per month and the minimum standard of living is rated at K1, 800, 000.00 if not even higher.
Part of the crowd during Mr Sata's last rally
Education is illusive for many, the two universities cannot accommodate the demand and the available private schools are too expensive for the common man. Graduates have been reduced to corporate kaponyas moving around the streets of Cairo road and doing briefcase businesses. They are no jobs in Zambia. No jobs. Most of my colleagues some of whom are reading this article have been reduced to doing jobs abroad that they otherwise wouldn’t have done back home.
In my view, this explains the voting pattern visa-vies the divide between the urban and rural votes. Our colleagues in the rural areas don’t feel the pinch of a capitalist economy or is it that their conditions are subject to manipulation by fraudulent politicians? While the urban voters have access to LusakaTimes, the rural voters have to rely on government controlled media to know what is happening and the truth is that any media will only tell you what they want you to know. It’s really issues of information and the sugar. The dynamics of rural politics are very different from urban politics. In the rural areas it’s mostly what the chief says and who distributes the most sugar. I had visitors from Chipata a week before the elections and I took the time to ask them who they were going to vote for and they told ‘kaili amfumu anena kale’ in an apparent reference to an instruction given to them by the local chief to vote for Rupiah Banda.
Part of the crowd during Mr Rupiah Banda last rally
Development is relative to the situation. What urban voters see as issues very differently from rural voters and that is one thing the MMD knows very well.
Moving on, the voting pattern also raises questions about capitalism. If you look at the Sata vote; you will realise that it is more of protest vote than anything. Sata has a very simple message; ‘I want to empower you economically’. Is it time for Africans to begin rethinking wealth distribution? Is it time we tried to regulate the economy more to spread wealth to everyone?
Sata’s message is not ideologically different from that of Robert Mugabe, they both are saying that it is time we Africans became a little selfish and enjoyed some economic power. Like the cliché saying goes’ who so ever has the money has the power’. If you give investors 3 years tax exemption then why don’t you do the same to the local investors? The truth is that Zambians are over taxed well over three times. Think about it! The government cries of not having money but one thing they don’t realise is that there is a huge informal sector out there which is not taxed. Why? Because the taxes are high so people don’t register their businesses? The best way to widen the tax base is to reduce tax and provide an environment that will help grow local industry. Then you will have more money to build school. Simple.
Perhaps it’s time for Africans to begin implementing economic policies that favour us and not the west. Economic policies are models, there are other models, and Americans have their own models which has plunged them into the crises they are in. Why don’t we seek models we can benefit from? The thing is the current economic policies favour either foreigners or the rich few, nothing for a poor me living in Kabwata. There is need for us to seriously re-consider and find ways of creating an environment in which all Zambians can be wealthy. Maybe then, the urban voter will rejoice when they hear our economy has grown by 5%.
Fikamushi…………….
thats why
I HOPE THAT IS HOW BA KAMUSHI VOTED…
BUT…….
Mr President Rupiah Bwezani Banda, please find a very healthy and energetic MAN IN THE MMD OR ELSEWHERE TO be the vice President of Zambia, please. I personally do not need Sata to have another chance of almost winning the Zambian Presidency since you are quite old now. I would like you to search carefully and not to be moved by those who campaigned for you only especially those with questionable reputation and records.Thank you all Zambians for making sure that Sata lost.To president HH,continue doing a noble cause for Zambia.No matter how the MMD copuy your mighty UPND manifesto, they will never succeed in implementing it because an uplifted material will never equal the original one.
RB PRESIDENT FULL STOP.
A WELL RESEARCHED ARTICLE,THUMBS UP
It would be good if Rupiah could appoint HH as his veep that way the man can get some experience as well as inpact his knowledge in helping develop the nation. I am not a fan of HH but hey we must give it to him he got over 300million votes that goes to show alot of people have faith in him.
It would be good if Rupiah can do away with the likes of Mulongoti, tetamashimba even if the helped him win, they are good for nothings
Every President should rule where he got more votes. If it’s in the rural he should be rural president.
Hahahah…..first paragraph made me laugh: I quote in part that “Zamnians had something on their minds that kept them away from poverty”. I thought these rural dwellers were cultivating “soya” in their fields during elections? Or they still think there will be more sugar and mealie meal for distribution to them now that they have elected a president.
I THINK HERE IN URBAN WE HAVE TO RIGISETER AND OUT NUMBER BA KAMUSHI,COS ITS LIKE A PACKET WORKS LIKE COLLATERAL TO THE NEXT VOTING TIME,sad!!!!!!!!!!
You said it right, hate it or love it RB is president. Sata and Hakainde trashed their chances of ruling Zambia when they denied to pact. It’s not easy to remove an incumbent government, the opposition should have thought of that. But now we see splited votes all in favor of MMD. To Mr. Rupiah, don’t celebrate too much, please get to work and show us what you are made of!!!
not sure
It is electoral malpractice at it’s best;distribution of sugar,cooking oil,fertilizer,salt and many other things.We need to have an electoral body that is indepedent because the one run by gorvernment will always dance to their tune and besides they are also appointed by the same,so they will be loyal to their superios in order to protect their jobs.The observers were not suppose to declare the just ended elections free and fair because there were a lot of irregularities,if they had gone to all polling stations the declaration will be ok but as it is,it’s all nosense.Viva Sata Viva PF Mwamukolooooooooooooooooooooo!Pabwatoooooooooooooooooooooooo!
# Quickfingers, you have used those fingers well and just took the words right out of my mouth. In the end UPND and PF are eating their selfishness.
yeah at least that makes much more sense…..lets not follow others but instead others shud follow us! i hope RB can use his economics to beta the lives of zambianz…
In as much as I am not happy about RB winning, I am Happy that Thandie is now Maureen’s boss, my God they way that witch snobbed Thandi the day she arrived from France with the body. Ba Maureen mayo ishiku tashi chela kumo, now who has the last laugh
i dont understand jus how the rural out do the urban when theres alot of urbanizition someone shed pls some light on this
N# 8 Mwipa, wat do u mean HH got over 300milion votes? if he did he would have been Presido, do you know da diference between 300 million n three hundred thousand/maybe u floped your maths!!! Zambia’s voters do not suppass 5 million
# 6 GUNNERS,
Dnt remind us about the nyama soya, who doesnt no???KWINDI JOJO MUBWATOOOOO
This is all true some one has to educate this rural areas.
what they should know is that the rulling party has all the powers to government resources eg government vehiclesand tax money instead of developing their village schools they buy them sugar,cooking oil and chitenges only lasting for few weeks.
once they vote for them they come and enjoy until next elections.
its high time they are educated……
Everyone is a winner in these elections in the sense that there are several lessons to be learnt. There is nothing for the MMD to celebrate. They should endeavor to address most of the issues that the opposition raised. It is embarrassing for a Party in govt. to be given such a bruising by one Old Cycle Mata. Cycle Mata should revist his tactics and language. The PR language is full of violence, even if what he says identifies with the people. HH is pre-occupied with personally going to State House even without the UPDN. He is blinded by this desire. UPND is weaker than Mazoka left it. There is need for a convention to re-focus the will.
#18 Why dont you do a reseacher paper on that since you are already in Zambia, shed some light kwisa??
#5 (Maestro whatever), welcome back! I thought you had collpsed and died from shock when your HH trailed behind like Miyanda and “void”! Your HH, Maestro has got such a silly tonga pride that he only wants to be at the top (presidency). The best for him is to own up and just join the MMD, pa nkholoko! VIVA RB!
PF surports never lose hope pipo, atleast we gave evry the opposition a gud run. Secondly its a lesson to form a pact rember 2001, there was only one pary to remove unip. this time around dont make the same mistake and dont be selffish think for the people will be serving.Viva PF FOR LIFE!!!!!!
Wait until those rural guys have their land taken away by investors and be called squatters, then they will realize! Good article
RB should take his time in picking a VEEP. He needs to make the right decision. Where are the PF cardres? The Spectator, and the rest, where are you? Have you changed names?
The government wins in rural areas because of the following:
- sugar handouts llike we saw by RB
- one chitenge is to a villager is like a Pierre Cardin Suit, this we was as we during this election.
- we saw how the rural community radios were ordered not carry any opposition message
- RB bribed all chiefs and asked then to endorse him
- RB reduced fertiliser by 75%
All the above cannot be condened by towners thats why RB cannot win in town.
I am wondering why ECZ failed to take action various irregularities that characterised the 30th oct.presidential elections.Presiding officer in one of the constituencies in lusaka caught with premarked ballot papers and many more others taken officially B4 ECZ.No coment was made to the general public.I strongly feel ECZ’s failure to act on such issues leaves us in suspense. What does the Electoral code says to candidate of the the camp that is caught involved in this.Please zambians help in this may be all the issues were tabled in my absence.
#23 My math dont seem to be adding up & thats why i asked bt if you hav the information either just leave for someone who know period.
THE JOBS THAT WE HAVE IN ZED IS TEACHING & IT TAKES YEARS FOR ONE TO BE PUT ON PAYROLL . IF WE ARE NOT CAREFULL ZED WILL BECOME A GOST COUNTRY . GOD HELP US .PEOPLE SURROUNDING RB MOST OF THEM ARE CORPUT THAT IS WHY LEVY FIRED THEM. WHO THOUGT THAT KK WOULD LIKE POWER , GOD IS FOR EVERY ONE
maiwe! another 3 years of mmd.wafya. sata twafweni.
DO not give rural dwellers any kind of assitance. If you are keeping one please chase him minus transport money!
No more Zed for me ,,soya meal everyday lol..
A woman for veep pliz Rb maybe then you will redeem yourself. Or better still there is that guy that Mwanawasa brought back from Canada to come and be groomed I cant remember whether the first name is Chisanga or Chita but last name is definately Puta, he seems very well vested in what he is saying and doing. it is a shame though that people like that are never looked at just the same old mulongotis and VJs all the finished politicians
LABOUR IS THE SUPERIOR OF CAPITAL AND DESERVES MUCH THE HIGHER CONSIDERATION- ABRAHAM LINCOLN
The writter of this artical was not objective. He would have done better if he was clearly taking no sides. He sounds very partisan.
PF THAT WAS A GOOD RUN . DONT LOSE HOPE. ABAKALI BAKALI MULUNSHIMBI TATA. IRON MAN. KEEP UP. GOD DOES NOT SLUMBER. IF THERE WAS SOME MISCHIVIAS ARRANJEMENT . GOD WILL REVENGE. BEKOZ THE BATTLE IS THE LORD’S AND HE WILL CONQUER ALL HIS ENENIES , WITH HIS RIGHT HAND AND HIS HOLY ARM, HE WILL ………… HE WILL ………………. THE VITORY
SING PRAISES TO THE LORD FOR THE OUTCOME OF DE ELEKSHIONS.
IF WE CONTINUE TO ACCUMULATE ONLY POWER AND NOT WISDOM WE WILL SURELY DESTROY OURSELVES – CARL SAGAN
its sad i think rural people should be taught
The article is quite good and well researched. But the fact remains that rural areas are have been used by MMD for manipulation of our humble villagers unless they are empored with knowledge in terms of education this will continue for a long time may be until the likes of vj, mbita and the other crooks pass on because these chaps will nver retire
I give the author 65%.Write the article in 7 local languages and distribute to all the nine provinces and i will give you 30%.These villagers need to be taught how they are taken advantage of.This time i will not be accepting visitors from the village or helping them in anyway.i will be directing them to their president RB coz they dont know how it feels to pay tax and how it pains to see on the top left conner of payslip reading;TAX YEAR TO DATE 25 million (corolla AE 110)
#5 u’re so useless in thinking.
u’re a tribalist who just hate other tribes.HH will never rule zambia seeing that u guys are tribalists.Why can’t u give credit to sata?
Banda won by less than 30,000 votes while yo fellow tribalist got nothing.Shame on mambala.
Sata inspires zambias.Only a hopeless chap like u who can’t thank sata.He speaks for every zambian.why do we need only foreign companies to benefit from our recourses?
The problem of you Maestro Hhehhehhehhe is that u just want yo fellow tonga to rule.That’s rediculous my boy.Grow up in you brain.
we’re not happy for what’s happening in the country.Next time we gonna fight 4 it.
Whatever, surely RB is definately not my president. To him who acknowledges him, he is your own president. No worries at all Sata, keep calm, watch and afford a smile on your days ahead whether they be many or very few, it does not matter – what matters is calmness at all costs. Yes even if it hurts my man …….
#5,chi Maestro yo contributions stink like feaces. Can you go to the toilet plz and offload yo rubish. Leav Sata alone we wil stil vote 4 him in 2011. He is luved by us the educated,and it has been proved again.So what hell do u think u are? For you to be expressing your hatred towards Sata like this.If you have nothing to say just shut your beak.period!viva Sata
Zambia is ours love it or leave it!!!
Kanshi when is sata and his supporters going to start blaming themselves for their Poor Finishing? Dont blame the rural voters, they made a wise decision and saved us from the Serpent. If it was just upto the kaponyas in mandevu, chaisa, chazanya and kanyama (the so called urban voters, my foot!!), we would have been swallowed by the snake in its quest to be life president
PABWATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Good article. Congrats!
There’s probably a divide in types of economy. In rural areas, their economy is agricultural-based while in urba areas it is mainly based on going to work, a capitalist world. In villages, you wake up early to go to your field, knock off by midday and spend the rest of the day relaxing in your own house. In urban areas you spend the whole day at work to earn money for everything – accommodation, transport, schools etc. This money is never enough so people don’t have a life to talk about. In villages, people are happy when they have food, a bit of clothes, a bicycle etc. If anything they expect to get some of these from their children & relatives in urban areas.
I wish sata and all his carders would just migrate to zimbabwe and leave us in peace mwee. They would fit in perfectly in mugabeland since they are all trouble makers weather they are educated or they are kaponyas.
These votingpatterns are not determined by the people but powers that be.The only way out of this is to have electral colleges like they have in the USA.Let the poeple in towns who pay taxes determine the destiny of this country
MMD will clock 20 years in 2011. What development have these guys brought? Has there been improvements in education, housing, health, infrastructure, township roads, expansion of towns and cities with modern structures, sports, arts and culture, hospital, land, labour, capital in terms of empowering zambians? Yalibipa na MMD yenu iyi bwafya pa Zed
Viva rural people! Just because you couldn’t face the challenges of life and run to your uncle in urban area, using his PC to blog rubbish doesn’t make you more Zambian than them.
THIS ARTICLE IS SPOT ON EXCEPT THAT IT IS VERY ACADEMIC AND LEAVES OUT REALITY TO THE POINT WHERE IF YOU WOULD BE FRUSTRATED WITH OUR COUNTRY.YOU SAID SATA,S POLICIES ARE VERY MUCH THE SAME AS MUGABES-REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH.YOU ARE RIGHT MUGABE IS RIGHT REDISTRIBUTING HIS COUNTRY’S WEALTH AND EVERY ONE IN ZIMBABWE IS HAPPY I GUESS!!
THE TRUTH I THINK IS THAT RURAL DWELLERS VOTE BASED ON ISSUES THAT DIRECTLY AFFECTS THEM AND SECONDLY IN TOWNS PEOPLE SUPPORT POLITICAL PARTIES LIKE FOOTBALL TEAMS WITHOUT EVEN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE STOOD FOR.
So it is very easy to live a satisfied life in rural areas, while it takes a lot of money to make urban dwellers happy. What is needed is to have an economy that meets the needs of everyone, especially urban dwellers. In rural areas, paramount thing is food security. A govt that helps them with fertiliser etc is good enough. Give their children free education to G7, great. Buy their maize, good. Free mosquito nets, life cant get any better!! When their children get educated enough, they migrate to the urban areas and send back money and goods. Peace is also paramount to rural dwellers. No one wants to run into the bush due to war. So any peaceful Govt easily wins their hearts.
The analysis has fallen short of sayng this was a Bemba against the rest election.we all know Satas rhetoric, “i want to empower you people” how he is going to do it he never explaines. development must be measured by known standards in this case it the same inlation and GDPs that must used as measures otherwise how else will monitor progres.once you do away with these like sata wants you end up like Mugabe. More money in your pockets,salaries in billions and bread in Trillions. We know these things but then we get blinded by our tribes. our tribe is the majority in urban areas and thats why sata wins.our language is the one spoken by street kids and kaponyas and thats SATAs support base
Its better its BANDA than SATa bt i wanted HH 2011 HH
I will relocating to Mulobezi, I hear life is pretty much cheaper that side. Guys join me, others should go shangombo and kalabo. LOL!!!!!
#47 IF SATA WERE PRESIDENT TODAY YOU WOULD BE RUNNING BACK HOME IF YOU STILL CONSIDER ZAMBIA YOUR HOME YOU TERRIBLE SELL OUT WE HAVE BEEN COPING UNDER DIFFICUT CONDITIONS HERE AND COWARDS LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN RUNNING……BY THE WAY ARE YOU IN MEXICO?
Atu ba kamushi, isn’t it funny that the same people who brought Mwanawasa have brought RB. Shame on you people who think villagers are just that villagers, this same superiority complex is what makes them rule supreme everytime, it is time we started engaging them as equals not calling them villagers, who tells you they do not know what they want. Shame on you fellas calling people names. Viva villager come 2011 they will again bring in a Government while some of you continut whining. These are the same people that almost brough Mazoka into Government. With an almost 50/50 distribution between rural and urban, urbanites work hard if you want to rule – yours Mutenguleni
I warned u SATANA that GOD will never ever allow snakes like u to govern His land. My heart owayz bleeds 4′mother Zambia. I warn u again never to contest in 2011 coz the reparcation will be gastly 4u to contemplate. You’re just a pathetic disgrantled SATANA.
MINGELI PALATA this is a good article you have written and well researched. TO ALL PF LET US FORGE AHEAD I KNOW WITH MASSIVE VOTER REGISTRATION AND MASSIVE VOTER TURN OUT IN THE URBAN AREAS WE CAN DEFEAT THE RURAL VOTE. VIVA MWAMUKOLO VIVA PABWATO VIVA FP VIVA SATA!
ELYO MULEKE RB ATWALILILE UKUPELA ABANTU UBUNGA ,SUGAR ETC.PANTU UWALATUMA PHONE ATI IPIYA KULA MUCHITA REFER KULI BA RB.KAMUSHI DWELLER.
Most of my colleagues some of whom are reading this article have been reduced to doing jobs abroad that they otherwise wouldn’t have done back home.
#8. 300million votes?? u chap!! since when did Zambia have such a large population?? walifulungana sana iwe ai??
Our SATA has no political strategy, if you go to monze and campaign in Bemba, or go Kasama and campaign in Nyanja then you are asking for disaster. Mr sata had campaign managers in western province by names of chilufya, Mulenga etc he did the same in other provinces, in his cabinate or central committee its the same scenarial save for guyscott and lubinda who are only there to maintain the kabwata and lsk central seats. Ba Sata get some advice from VJ before he dies rigging does not exist. you cant win with only the bemba vopte even if its the largest.
zambians should shud learn to vote on merit not becoz some one has given u a bag of maize.u hve costed us so much
Number 29, Your concern is my concern, I keep wondering whether the reports of the electral malpractice that actually took place on the voting day engineered by Ruphia Banda and his sponsors and the MMD where falling on the deaf ears of the ECZ. I think the ECZ could not act on these activities because they were a party to the fraudulent activities and deciding on the same was a serious compromise on thier party. The ECZ are compromised and have ignored to comment and account to the stakeholders about the malpractices performed by the Ruphia Bands group.
thanks rural folks for deciding on our behalf, the urban dwellers wno are too dull to apreciate the value of education, were on earth wud u have a primary school drop out contesting for president. its only here en liberia. uken do beter guys .am embarrased to c even unza graduates suporting the thugery, running a country isnt like running a council or a kantemba . shame on u pfs, get some one better. thanx rural folks
As long as these opposition chaps do not gang up to remove MMD, this will always be the outcome of the elections. Where u have ba kamushi voting in a rather unpopular president.
Yes it is difficult to remove the incumbent government especially in African countries where politics seems to be the best way of staying away from poverty since it is easy to steal. We will never declare you old and finished until you rule Zambia Mr.Sata. But find the best strategy to get this nonsence-called MMD out of the way and will of the people. PF and UPND plse start now to work towards a pact.
# 43 Russia muscow
wa kalasa ure the man big up to you bro.ni pf for life ba ‘kamba
RB president? What a shame!! Ours is a circus of a nation. Its a joke of a nation. Villagers need to be educated otherwise we’ll continue having people of RB’s calibre as our presidents. SHAME ON THE VILLAGERS!!!!!
Guys wen u’r criticizing each other it is better to keep your cool and do it maturely. This is a sensitive issue with potential to create disharmony. Let’s not ridicule each other after all we are all zambiana, pf, mmd ,hp, or upnd. Debate constructively then the peace we enjoy will continue. Let’s not take things for granted. and it’s high time you stopped this tribal talk.
#5,Maestro,u cant compare yourself to Sata.Not even your HH,Sata knows a lot.The mmd has always been put to task by Sata.He speaks for the poor.U wil never be like him.So can that tonga head of yours,think properly.useless tonga chap.
Imwe ati Mulongoti adwala! Nichani uyu mudala?
I salute you Mingeli for a good article. At least it gives us a right picture as to what the voting pattern was. We need to be reading such articles from LT time and again so that we can have healthy, progressive and more mature discussions with individuals within Zmabia and those abroad. Keep it up and I hope this is not a one off thing. Hats off to Malume Banda and please continue with Mwanawasa’s policies.
Iwe, cha no. 17 ulekwata amano, balanda ati, “icikalipa chumfwa umwine”, don’t compare death to victory, talk about something else! In nyanja they say ” caona muzako capita m’maba cili kwa iwe”! Don’t say that! Wait until you lose your own then you will feel exactly what is like! Okey! Maureen could have offended you in one way or the other but just try to understand her! What more am sure you have developmental and economical issues to discuss rather than attacking Maureen or the time! Try to be mature in your arguments! No hard feeling!
Iwe ci Kaoma! Behave yourself! Leave the tongas alone! You thief!
Dont force yourself to be president against the will of the people. God has his own ways of dealing with it. Its common sense that these election have been manipulated. I start by conguratulating SATA for winning the urban vote were peolpe are educated. MMD HAS a tactic of annoucing the opposition strog hold so that they know how many to add to avertake the one who is leading. Even children in Zambia know that RB LOST. GOD HELP US.
All you urban dwellers, learn to respect the rural opinion. They too have a right to choose their leader.
The only thing is that mmd easiy bribe poling officers in remote rural to declare exaggerated figures in their favour shame!!!!!
twafwa eeee
Fellow country men do not be cheated even if pf and hh had formed a pact MMD would have found a way to their 1% win dont be cheated, we all know their tactics they could have cooked one, take it from me this election was won by them even before people went to the polls. what a waste of time and resources.
Let us not crucify the rural population they saved us from King Cobra. “Ati Lesa apalamika fye” were Sata’s words and for sure God made him near the throne of power and smelt it but it is not his, his time has not come yet if it will ever come…..I wonder?
#75 You are shallow!! Tonga, just like lozi, bemba,kachokwe, etc, is just an identity of culture, i,e, language. But if you look at all of us Zambians we are all he same. Stop this ugly tribal talk. If we dont check the Tonga-Bemba tribal gap, it may lead to nasty confrontation in near fuiture. Please stop it!!
Another lesson for PF, great crowds does not translate to massive voting.
Please do not blame village dwellers. Blame Poor Finnishing (PF)and Political F**ls(PF)
Now we’ll see if the villagers will continue receiving Sugar from RB. The next time they’ll probably get some will be in 2011. In the meantime, they are in for a bumpy ride!!!! NO SUGAR ba ngwele!!
Zambia should be for Zambians. Let us find solutions to this crisis especially the younger ones we need a new generation of leaders who will propel this country into prosperity. I don’t subscribe to the notion that only politicians like kalumba, chitala, TJ, Saki, nawakwi, machungwa, nsanda, gbm, vj are the right people to run the affairs of this country. Let us unite and dislodge this generation. I am tired of old ideas
Fllow country men do not be cheated Even if HH and PF had formed a pact MMD would have cooked their 1% win vote, wake up zambianas what would have prevented them from doing so , They publicly told us they had won the elections even before people went to the polls what a waste of resourse and peoples time.
THIS ANALYSIS MAY BE RIGHT BUT THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS TO CONSIDER. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE ZAMBIAN POPULATION IS URBAN AND RURAL? HOW DO WE DEFINE URBAN? SURELY, A PERSON LIVING IN KAPATA TOWNSHIP IN CHIPATA OR NAMUSHAKENDE IN MONGU HAS A FAR BETTER STANDARD OF LIVING THAN ONE IN KALINGALINGA OR KANYAMA! THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF ZAMBIA WERE DISTORTED IN COLONIAL TIMES WHEN THOUSANDS OF ABLE BODIED YOUNG MEN TREKKED TO THE COPPERBELT FOR JOBS IN THE MINES. IT WAS BETTER TO HAVE A RELIABLE INCOME THAN TO DEPEND ON VAGARIES OF WEATHER. IN POST INDEPENDENCE ZAMBIA, THE SITUATION STABILISED FOR A DECADE OR SO. ZCCM RAN OUT OF GOLDEN EGGS IN THE LATE 80s. (TO BE CONT’D)
Number 74 is speaking sensibly. We will do well to take heed. Let us not take peace for granted. Iwikala patalala eupatalilika.
No. 8 Mwipa, HH should not be made VP by RB since HH refused all advice to start from the bottom going up. Why should he be given a hand since he has always refused good advise. If he had opted to become UPND Vice President he would probably by now be MP for Bweengwa and getting the necessary experience. Now he will be a perenial also run lugging behind him a great sack of tribalism. It is difficult to rebrand HH- the stain remover he requires has not been invented and Haze cannot mask the stench that follows him arround.
Those of you suggetsing who RB should put as VIP are not being fare to yourselves. our practice and trend in MMD is that the VIP position goes to one who has delivered a province. In this case the vip must come from western, northwestern or central. we dont reason with sympathy in MMD. if you want sata to be VIP l;et it be in PF not MMD no room for rotten applen or lame ducks. please mind your buisnesses in PF and the POST, so that we develop this country peacefully. the rural pipo have chosen and we must deliver to them including you.
If MMD rigged there were opposition independent monitors at all the polling stations were each one was given somewhere to sign and say who got what votes. They would have come out in support of their leaders and said there was malpractice but tehy are all quiet.
TENTHAMASHIMBA WA BA UMULOMO UPUTALI, and why your lips so it’s long b’coz of licking other peoples boats you cant fight on your own.now you want to be licking RB’s shoes.chief rigger
WHEN I READ SOME COMMENTS I TEND TO WONDER AS TO WETHER THE SO CALLED TOWN DELLERS HAVE A MIND TO CHOOSE A NATIONAL LEADER. PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT NOT EVERY TOWN RESIDENT VOTED FOR PF THUS EVEN WITHIN THE TOWNS THERE SOME PEOPLE WHO DID FAVOUR THE CANDITURE OF SATA – ITS THE TOTALITY OF VOTES IN ZAMBIA THAT MADE RB TO WIN – I FOR ONE I VOTED FOR RB AND I HAVE NO APOLOGY TO MAKE THUS MY DEMOCRATIC RIGHT – THOSE WHO LIVE IN TOWN SHOULD NOT THINK AS A MOB WHEN VOTING OTHER WISE YOU THE TREND WONT CHANGE
# 44, How do you expect sata to calm down and afford a smile when he owes pipo alot of money. The owners of the chopper he was using are at his throat. Even the women he was screwing during his campain are at his gate waiting to be paid for the services. Kanponyas want their chibuku, the post want their share as well etc. MALABBISH
I concurr with #33 100%. a rural dweller isnt even aware about the hefty salaries and allowances that mmd is about to award themselves….. while the distributed sugar and mealie meal is a forgotten syory. shame indeed.
the political spectrum in zambia is wide at one end the urban dweller who worries about potholes, streetlights, inflation at the other end it is about food. if u promise them rain u stand a chance at winning. HH’s message is the winner but not appealing to the rural dweller. Sata may appear to have all the answers but if u followed his campaigns his message in certain parts of zambia was not consistent. RB only promised continuity and for everyone who shed a tear for LPM subscribed to this idea
YES TAKE IT OR LEAVE… RB IS PRESIDENT IN FACT IF YOU LEAVE IT YOU CAN GO AND HUNG….VIVA RB
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE PRUNED FROM ZCCM IN THE 80s. THESE HAD NO MEANS OF LIVELIHOOD AND COULD NOT GO BACK TO THE LAND FOR MORE ‘BACK BREAKING’ LABOURING THAT COULD NOT PRODUCE MUCH. THEIR CHILDREN HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP IN CITY LIGHTING AND NOW THEY WERE FACED WITH SMOKING ‘KOLOBOYIS.’ THEY HAD DRANK PIPED TAP WATER BUT NOW IT WOULD BE TURBID WELL WATER. THUS A SECOND DEMOGRAPHIC UPHEAVAL. SHANTY COMPUNDS SPRANG UP EVERYWHERE. AS LONG AS THESE SHANTY OCCUPANTS ORGANISED THEMSELVES INTO UNIP WARDS, NO ONE COULD TOUCH THEM. ‘IMISANGO YA BA CHAIRMAN’. (TO BE CONT’D)
WHEN I READ SOME COMMENTS I TEND TO WONDER AS TO WETHER THE SO CALLED TOWN DWELLERS HAVE A MIND TO CHOOSE A NATIONAL LEADER. PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THAT NOT EVERY TOWN RESIDENT VOTED FOR PF THUS EVEN WITHIN THE TOWNS THERE SOME PEOPLE WHO DIDNT FAVOUR THE CANDITURE OF SATA – ITS THE TOTALITY OF VOTES IN ZAMBIA THAT MADE RB TO WIN – I FOR ONE I VOTED FOR RB AND I HAVE NO APOLOGY TO MAKE THUS MY DEMOCRATIC RIGHT – THOSE WHO LIVE IN TOWN SHOULD NOT THINK AS A MOB WHEN VOTING OTHERWISE THE TREND WONT CHANGE
#92 Vote rigger i think you are right lets not just say rural or urban without classifyng these things properly. we must look at the standards of living and the dominant language in that particular areas,also look at how many bus stations and kaponyas are there. then we will know why a candidate is popular in that area. because if you stay in kanjala, Chipata and someone who stays in Ndeke kitwe it will not be correct to suggest the leter is well informed than the earlier.
The villager have played a very big role in shaping the destiny of our country this time and in 2006. We make too much noise in town yet Zambia does not end at our noise making but goes beyond those who eat pies and pizzas. Some very important people in defining the future of our country eat masuku in place of chocolate, but all of us end up with the same blood and tissues from all these foods we eat. We all are Zambians with equal rights and no difference in the value of life. Some of these villagers are more hardworking than the noise Kaponyas that make too much noise during political rallies.
May God bless the rural community. God bless Zambia!
I’ll be back!
The decision has been made. More drama is yet to unfold in the new appointments. On average, most of the contibutors on this blog do not actually depend on party politics, less still be cadres. There is no need to demonise our colleagues in the diaspora, after all it is always good to meet you guys when we go round the world. Further, we are no more patriotic for sticking around; it’s just a choice one has to make. Viva Zed, Viva Disapora, Viva Peace.
I agree with you (80) God has a way of punishing people, lets just wait and see. SATA congrats you won these elections period.
RB God will judge you, do not say we never told you…
It is worth commenting that 90% of the 718,000 votes for RB do not pay taxes and any form of duties. It is the taxes, duties and levies paid by the 683,000 for SATA that sustain the rural dwellers, fertilizer cannot be K50,000 or free without subsidies with compliments of the 683,000. The poverty impact of a poor rural and poor urban are totally different. Perhaps the poor rural would only pick up fire wood from the bush get cassava and chibwabwa from the garden and a meal is over; but the urban poor needs money for rent, school fees, food, medical, transport etc. Maybe we need US voting system. Using Electoral votes with the regions contributing most to the total economy have more votes.
THE SHANTY TOWNSHIPS HAVE BEEN LEGITIMATISED. BUT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THEM ARE SCROUNGERS WHO SURVIVE ON HAND OUTS AND PROCEEDS OF CRIME. SUCH PEOPLE WILL NEVER EVER BE SATISFIED WITH ANY GOVERNMENT AND WILL REMAIN ANARCHIC BECAUSE THAT IS THE VERY BASIS OF THEIR EXISTENCE. THE PROBLEM IS NOT BETWEEN RURAL AND URBAN BUT BETWEEN ORDER AND DISORDER, DECENCY AND INDECENCY, MODERNISATION AND STATUS QUO. A ‘RURAL’ ELECTRIFICATION PROGRAMME IS WELCOME. ZESCO IS SUPPLYING MEGAWATTS OF ELECTRICITY FOR LIGHTING UP NIGHT CLUBS, PUBS, BUILDINGS AND STREETS OF LUSAKA, KITWE AND NDOLA IN THE NIGHT INSTEAD OF POWERING FOOD PRODUCTION IN RURAL AREAS.
Well written article. However, as long as the rural folks and even 80% of Zambians remain uneducated or uninformed, this will be the same song during elections.The dynamics are far different between rural and urban dwellers.Whereas, an urban dweller will see beyond a packet of sugar, our rural folk see it differently.And as long as the Chiefs survive at the mercy of government, we will continue hearing about them influencing their subjects to vote for a particular candidate.It would take a major nationwide revolt against MMD to change government.This, in my opinion, should be initiated by the urban dwellers and spread deep into the hearts of rural Zambia.
according to the voting parttern which we experienced i think hh should just merge with other parties or else even in 2011 he will not win period. UPND will never win whether you like it or unless they put someone else who is not tonga. Upnd is associated with tribalism and upnd made a mistake by putting hh instead of sakwiba . period . in these elections only in southern province thats where hh received overwhelming support period. So my advise to hh is to step down and leave room for some else from another tribe
There will be a national mourning on tuesday, the TITANIC boat has capsized with more then 615 000 feared dead, but the death toll may rise. It hit into a big underwater called UPND and MMD please pass messege to friends they mighty be missing relatives. The cause was the ship Captain who was very very old to control
Im very disappointed with the villagers, people in urban areas are doing everything possible to liberate those illeterates in the villages and they keep on voting the wrong way, by voting for RB corruption has been legalised, and we will see reckless spending on the part of the govt, lets wait and see….RB will be the worst president Zambia has ever had, the man has no plans for the country……
If RB is to survive. He should just change and be in his own, leaving in dust those questionable characters that surrounded him. Mwanawasa style with Chiluba!! Someone thre tip this man, let him change and get tough with those corrupt personalities!! Then Zambians will have respect for him!!We shall then stop calling him Nyama na Soya!!
Mudala Elijah Mudenda is dead. Too bad,MHSRIP.
Gentlemen villagers are not to blame it’s tribalism to blame. Just look at this; Eastern voted RB, Westerners are anti Bembas so can never never vote for Sata, N/Westerners are the same. Southerners voted for their son HH while Rural CB wanted the dream of their own LPM to continue. Central; Swakas like Lambas feel Bembas are very cheek. Northern; Inamwangas/Mambwes/Tumbukas are bitter with Bembas. Its only Luapula where PF had won in total. Even in town most of the votes RB got came from Ngonis etc we know it due to the small metings they used to hold. I call any to challenge this. Yes you will say what about 1991 and Chiluba but that time all Zambians had ganged against enemy No1 KK thats
By the way, does Zambia lack youthful leaders for people like RB, Sata, VJ etc to be factors in today’s political dispensation?It is such a pity that 44 years down the line we still hear the same names in politics.Personally I do not subscribe to the notion that the youth are the future leaders. What future?This is the future.When I was 2 years old, the youth were still being tipped as the future leaders.Now I am 33 and the youth are still future leaders.What is the Zambian definition of youth?
Thank you my fellow rural people for voting RB and MMD. The kwacha has started to appreciate. The man we have voted into office is a Western trained Economist, something the urban people well fail even just to dream about it.
#61,u are a mbufufu.U cant compare yoself to Sata.Come 2011,we are voting for him.keep the nonses to yourself.we fulunyemba we!
RB, Now that u won continue feeding the pipo u gave sugar and mealie meal. It should not end there if u really wanted to help rather than corrupting them.
DO U CHAPS REALISE THAT RB GOT MORE VOTES IN TOWNS THAN IN RURAL AREAS? he got more votes in lsk en cb than LPM
My problem is that MMD has never won genuinely for everyone to appreciate, as happened in 1991. I have this gut feeling that MMD’s death will be worse than that of UNIP unless they have groomed enough vote riggers to take over from the aging and ailing VJ. I also notice that VJ has run out of rigging ideas, why rig so blatantly like Chiluba did in 2001 – earmarking some rural constituent to vote two days later? And that constituent is my home town? VJ, why not pick your Tonga home like Chiluba picked his home village? Shame on you VJ; your rigging antics are too transparent, devise new tactics.
All the Kaponyas should be ferried back to the rural areas. Their voting is out of desperation for survival.In town they have no jobs. No wonder the crowds of jobless Kaponyas.
You can not balme them anyway.
#116 i agree with you 100% that RP should be advised on his strategy . if there was a way of Lusaka Times working with one of the electronic media like Muvi tv through a segment of their programmes so that someone can read some of the comments helpful to these politicians posted on this blog.
Good bye Ba Sata. Its the end of the road now. Give up now. Thank you for your contribution in the years. Ubwato bwa bunda….
Many have now come and gone, some setting the standards and others just a day and dollar short. the most unfortunate part of our kind while i watch our society as a whole crumble at what most people do not even consider the root to every mans down fall is GREED, DIVISION & the Lack Of Love!
“with great power comes great responsibility”, Madiba! who did he take vengence on after 27 years of toil? No one! he moved on to empower the poeple for that was the main purpose of any humaniterian act, he did not punish anybody for plunderous acts for they are of no benefit to the masses as they are a cloack of waste vomit that can never be refed to any proud poeple.most of them have just since di
banya ba rural! no wonder they are still in millions ku rural because ni ba kamushi! what positive changes have the seen or benefited during MMD & LPM that they can continue to vote for the MMD thugs? kwena bu kamushi ni nchito.
Ine ni pa bwato for life.
Whether MMD or other oppositions brag the fact is we gave them a good run and it showed all the way. ba Sata ni mwala! libwe…..
Viva Sata
Viva PF
Aluta Continua
continued…
Neither the opposition nor the ruling party has a solution.
As long as we defy the fact that Zambians must be all well educated. Minimum education standard should be equivalent of form Five.
Then may be shall we reason and learn to appreciate the value of skills in every human endeavor.
It is therefore not suprising that anybody can just dream of forming a party.
Look at the west and Europe how many parties do you find in those countries?
We form all those many parties for selfish reasons.
And the west laughs ha ha ha………..
The huge crowds of the so-called “kaponyas” at Sata’s rallies should be an eye opener for RB of the extent of desperation and discontent of the Zambian people. He should do sth about it by helping them-create jobs for starters-bring back manufacturing!!!
For those are calling for judgement and casing you need to be carefuly. My prayer is that God may have mercy and compassion on you, because you seem not to understand the cosquences of your utterances. In your view you think this election outcome is not the making of God because your preference has not succeeded? Well, could you for a moment suppose that this is actually the making of God; who would you be casing, and who would you be calling the judgement of God on. If anyone cases those God has chosen or blessed he risks getting the cases back. This is because God tells those he blesses, “I will bless those who bless you and i will case those who case you”. So please take more care in such
#112 JUST. YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EDUCATION AND VOTING. I AM A UNIVERSITY GRADUATE WITH A PHD TO BOOT BUT I HAVE NEVER VOTED. MY MOTHER IS UNEDUCATED (SUB B) BUT SHE HAS VOTED IN EVERY ELECTION SINCE 1963 AND SHE IS VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHAT SHE WANTS FROM A CANDIDATE. THIS ARGUMENT ABOUT EDUCATION IS WHY THE COLONIALISTS DENIED THE AFRICAN THE VOTE. WHILE I WAS IN KITWE, A PROMINENT BUSINESSMAN IN THAT CITY WON BECAUSE OF HIS TRANSPORT BUSINESS. EDUCATED PEOPLE ARE ALSO BRIBABLE. MY FRIEND IT IS GOT TO DO WITH THE HEART OF MAN. ‘IT IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS AND DESPERATELY WICKED.’ WE VOTE ALL THE TIME. YOU CHOSE ONE COW INSTEAD OF ANOTHER.
#108 good point. Some people don’t understand why people are away from Zed.
#103 has already said thousand of people wre pruned from ZCCM. Please note that ZCCM was full of graduates of various professions. A lot of these went out to work in other countries where they could find jobs.
I remember finding a fellow emgineer taking photos after loosing a job in ZCCM due ro privatisation. It was sad. UK trained engineer. Fortunately he got a job in the UK and he’s doing fine. There many former ZCCM doctors, engineers, nurses etc who are in UK and other countries, made to leave by circumstances.
most of them have just since died on their own as nature is the greatest punisher of all. cultures and the existance as a poeple have been eroded by the mentality “every man for himself” mentality and as far as the country goes we as a country will always suffer at the wrath of our own selflessness. right now we stand divided and we will always stand until the end of time, most would interpret some of my lines as unfound to let looters and pillagers free of thier deeds, No! we spend countless amounts trying to bring them to book that we lose the purpose of our quest and in “fighting the dragon, we too become the dragon” we so wish to rid ourselves of. No man under then sun can eliminate
No man under then sun can eliminate corruption as it is dated as far back as Jesus’ time, it can only be controlled.
many of the poeple accessing this media are advantaged and a good number of them reside in lands that not even the rural man ever dreams of, some for greener pastures as it where, and others for mare prestige. i find it bafling that a man who loves his country would invest in his a country that never gave him his identity for the simple fact that it provides better onlook on ones personal credentials.
this country is blessed with many things but often these things are taken away from us because we do not realise what we have. if you want to make a diffrence, make a diffe
For those are calling for judgement and cursing you need to be careful. My prayer is that God may have mercy on you, because you seem not to understand the cosquences of your utterances. In your view you think this election outcome is not the making of God because your preference has not succeeded? Well, could you for a moment suppose that this is actually the making of God; who would you be cursing, and who would you be calling the judgement of God on. If anyone curses those God has chosen or blessed he risks getting the curses back. This is because God tells those he blesses, “I will bless those who bless you and i will curse those who curse you”. So please take more care in such issues.
Do not keep blaming the rural areas.
The opposition parties are only seen in rural areas during elections.
Therefore they find the devil they know to be safer than HH or Sata who only visits them when they need the rural dwellers’ votes.
Zuha…………..
# 124 thank you Chintobetobe – no G9 and no outright win for MMD. Shame! the fact the PF in the urban got MMD on the run should be a sure lesson to them that the well conversant people who know what they want do not want them. this should not give MMD reason to celebrate their victory – its not worthy. Eeeeeh Eeh chachine. MMD’s RB must go to the rural and develop those places and not just distribute sugar during campaigns and later abandon bakamushi! cheap politics!
if you want to make a diffrence, make a difference on what is yours and stand proud and say i am somebody rich or poor.i dont really blame the rural masses for the situation we have at hand i blame it on us as a poeple. the only way i have managed to become educated is to strive to be a better person be being inspired, but then how do you inspire someone when it take not less than K100,000 ($22) to move that person from his village to a urban town let alone put him or her in the right clothing so as to see what development really looks like in an era where we do not hear and belive but see and believe. its because comfort bring irresponsibility, we have a responsibilitie to them and them
To be honest am hurt like hell.i thought i waz done with Molongoti,Teta and alike.Please God punish these people.Amen
we have a responsibilitie to them and them to us. In the copperbelt, specifically Kitwe, there is a section of society in Kamatipa that cant afford K20 as a fee for acquisition of clean drinking water at a community pump, resorting to dig wells placed near pit latrines of which i need not to educate the masses about water table distribution. these poeple are born and died and have never seen town centre.
how can anyone of this caliber be incorruptable as a thousand kwacha is a manner from heaven i strongly suggest you get of you comfortable ass and see for yourself. the love i have for my fellow man shall surely see my end but it is an end worth having for everyday i shall stand proud a
we have a responsibility to them and them to us. In the copperbelt, specifically Kitwe, there is a section of society in Kamatipa that cant afford K20 as a fee for acquisition of clean drinking water at a community pump, resorting to dig wells placed near pit latrines of which i need not to educate the masses about water table distribution. these poeple are born and died and have never seen town centre.
how can anyone of this caliber be incorruptible as a thousand kwacha is a manner from heaven i strongly suggest you get of you comfortable ass and see for yourself. the love i have for my fellow man shall surely see my end but it is an end worth having for everyday i shall stand proud a
the love i have for my fellow man shall surely see my end but it is an end worth having for everyday i shall stand proud as a Zambian for that day shall come no matter what it takes
I Love You Zambia, My Mother, My Nature, My Poeple.
Ubuntungwa Mu Jambojambo!
RB appoint govt and lets see what you are made of. be careful as you choose a vice president
#131 mind your language I am a human resources manager with a university degree and i voted for Sata. come 2011 i am running for a parliamentary so that i go and challenge this bootlikers
#131 mind your language I am a human resources manager with a university degree and i voted for Sata. come 2011 i am running for a parliamentary so that i go and challenge this bootleggers
what is going on?
were you dont see any meaningful change is a sure sign that MMD has failed the people. when i finished school in 1985 – i immediately went to college in Sept 86 and finished in my secretarial in April 88. As soon as we did scouts came round the college and picked the best students while we we almost all good, were employed before we left college. After that i was able to switch jobs and would attend interviews one after the other to an extent of getting 3 job offers in a roll. i was able to choose which one was offering better. That is not there now and that is what we want for our children, the youth of today and tomorrow. MMD sold and ransacked all the companies – Contract Haulage,
It is an insult to think that the rural folk only voted for MMD because of sugar handouts and what the chiefs said or did not say. Why do the urban dwellers think that they matter most. The rural folk are honest hardwaorking people who know what they want. After all poverty levels are much higher in the rural areas. The rural folk heard an d saw what the three parties had to offer and went for what they thought was best for them. Their needs are quiet differnt. frankly in terms of mainatining feeder roads, fertilizer distribution, rural health centres, basic schools, market for their produce, water and sanitation, the MMD has not done a bad job. Taxes, jobs, mealie meal, those are urban.
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As for Thandie, Zambian should be ashamed that a former prostitute is now their first lady. Being the Boss will take much more that sleeping with a married man who is not the brightest bulb in the room.
What wories me most is the dearth of credible strong leadership in the country.When l survey the political field l cant honestly see anyone arising on the horizon who will take the country by the scruff of the neck and lead it into greater prosperity.Mass migration and hiv has decimated our human resource.All the strong men we had runing our parastatals are all gone.HH for me is unproven.He didnt build his business from nothing like David Nama but was at the right place at the right time when parastatals like zcbc,ubz and the like were being liqiudated.And the liqiudation law as it stands favors the liqiudator-hegot his golden parachute while the workers of those companies were left wif zero
Dunlop, ITT Supersonic, we had Indeco group of Companies, Mindeco, Zimco and all these were employers. we could transfer from one company to the other under Indeco – Zambia Sugar to Zambia Breweries. All that is gone, Zambia, mother Zambia – no industry existing. Zambia Airways gone!!!!!!!! all we have is total misery! Indeed KK had a Vission. Go to places like Sinazongwe, such a beautiful place, you wonder how the Government planned to build such a wonderful place, yet such places now are turning into Ghost towns. All because of the selfishness of our Ladies, all the care for is to be Presidos.
Results are out and whether we like it or not RB is the president of Zambia. Let’s give him chance and see if he can deliver and put him to task if he will not fullfil his promises.
PF should have have a postmortem of the elections and improve on their weaknesses. As for HH let him change his strategy so that he sells himself to other parts of Zambia otherwise UPND will continue being a tribal party.
RB you beat your opponets clean game!! You won the simple majpority! Now its time to deliver! Change your tactics and your dream has come true. I watched BBC and you argued that you would change Zambia into a middle incme country!! Encouraging indeed!
Dont keep everybody that was in Mwanawasa’s team. Some of them are dangerous. You are diffrent, ankhulu Mphuno!!! Mwanawasa chose them for a reason! To gain respect, be tough. Reshuffles are inevitable Some politicians have to loose thir Jobs. These are har times. We just hope yu shall constitute a tough management team!!!
It is sad that some people dont understand democracy. How can you say RB won by rural vote so he must become a rural president? In democracy when you have majority vote it does not who voted you become ruler of all. I believe people saying that come from parties that hold no elections so it is not easy for them to undersatnd the concept of elections. I hope with time everyone in Zambia will understand the meaning of the ballot; it is not to devide the country. What is amazing is that people making such statement are in town, and yet all villagers understand the purpose of election so well. Now I know that even people in villages can educate some of our colleages in town about democracy.
#82 .SHI NTWENO. You are very ignorant.Parties like UPND have agents in all rural pol stations,just like observer groups like TIZ,FODEP and they witness these things for you PF. You think Zambia is along the rail ,lUAPULA & NORTHERN just like SATA? Wake up! MMD are tactical the way they campaign then you say vj has rigged? Know where people are.
Can someone please give me President Sata’s number, I need to speak to him. No matter what he is my president and I want him to be encouraged. Sata you are our man and you worked so hard though you have been robbed again. They killed Dean, sent mazoka to his grave early and they think they can do the same with you, they cant, your life is in the hands of the Almighty!! We are praying for you.
God is going to avenge for you again. Three years is a long time we shall see!!!!
#123 be analytical.the reason why RB got more votes in LSK than LPM in 2006 is because of voting on tribal lines.Here is my analysis:there are more Easterners in LSK (those who voted for RB coz is from the East) than Lenjes who voted for LPM in 2006 period.
Zambians prepare for a complete economic,political,tribal and security meltdown! This report should be an eye opener, i hope shrek has read it or else, watch those rooftops! What we want is what is best for zambia
#152 no my dear am PF and voted for Sata but Thandi is not a prostitute and has never been one. Thandi is a good girl and a teacher by profession. Thandi from my little understanding i gathered from a close friend taught at a nearby school near RB’s farm in Chipata where RB had retired from and they met from that end. Thandi excepted the big man despite him having nothing and they got married and she moved in with him and her mother in law. Thandi is just blessed to be what she has come because she took over the responsibility of looking after RB and her mother in law till likely he became Veep and moved to Lusaka even with his mother till her demise early this year. Shes a luck gul
Let sata not blame the rural voters for his loss. All sata was talking about during his campaign was tax reduction, chasing away chinese and other unachievables which mean very little to the rural voters even if it affects them. Its like someone talking to voters in kanyama about reducing the price of fertiliser and tarring rural roads; even though these things affect the kanyama voter, they are unlikely to influence the way he votes because he doesnt see them as his immediate needs
Its so sad for us Zedians, No wonder they say that, The poor will be getting poorer and the rich, richer, on the expense of the poor.
“my poeple are perrishing for luck of knowledge”
Iwe ka Pete# 50, Mind what you spit out of your mouth. Alot of Zambians are hurt at the moment for being dribbled again. Do you think it’s a joke to be paying 35% PAYE, another 25% Fuel Tax, 16% each time you buy something from the supermarket. You add up and see how much we are taxed by the end of the day. We shall never give up fighting untill we are liberated from MMD. RB is a president for the rural voters. PABWATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO forever!!!
Please RB don’t work with the likes of Nawakwi, Sakwiba, Tilyenji and so forth. They are there just after positions in MMD. We don’t need them any more. They are expired
The bible says “LET HE WHO HAS NOT SINNED THROW THE FIRST STONE”. Those of you who are busy discrediting our new first lady, you sleep with young girls who are not your wives. At least RB married her, he didnt just abuse her and buy her talk time like most of you do to young school girls. Thandi is not a child,she is a woman. and she keeps RB young. Get a life!!
#118 you are very right about tribal Voting only that you dont mention that all Bembas Voted for Sata. check the landslides in Northern, Luapula and copperbelt where they are the majority. the same applies to southern and Eastern. At least the easteners gave Sata a Vote check how RB was wallopd in northern and luapula. in northern RB only won the mambwe and namwanga vote not the Bambalands
Good coment #50 God bless u always.honestry let these noise makers stop making noise and quietly migrate to Mugabeland they will be warmly welcomed by their fellow noisemaker called chilufya@mugabe.com.zw.After all they ve a boat unfortunately it is under the ocean.God bless zambia. viva RB
Instead of insulting rural voters on this site, PF should go back to the drawing baord and figure out how they can capture the all-important rural vote. I must admit that sata is a huge force to reckon with in zambian politics (as was mazoka and others before him); but he and PF need to learn something from the 2006 and 2008 election. It doesnt pay to polarise a nation into 2 groupings (rich Vs poor, bemba Vs lozi/tonga/luvale, urban Vs rural, catholic Vs protestant etc); such polarisation always ends the same way sata’s 3rd journey to state house has ended; in ruins. Sata needed proper political and economic advisors not chancers who just wanted to ride on his back for their own selfishness
Those who are calling for judgement and cursing you need to be careful. My prayer is that God may have mercy on you, because you seem not to understand the cosquences of your utterances. In your view you think this election outcome is not the making of God because your preference has not succeeded? Well, could you for a moment suppose that this is actually the making of God; who would you be cursing, and who would you be calling the judgement of God on. If anyone curses those God has chosen or blessed he risks getting the curses back. This is because God tells those he blesses, “I will bless those who bless you and i will curse those who curse you”. So please take more care in such issues.
Gweles stop typing in caps lock.Most of you guys typing in caps lock are members of the Diplomatic staff abroad and you were panicking on Thursday most of you even finished rolls of Andrex tissues because of diareohia
PF supporters don’t lose hope, we will wait 4 2011. To Sata don’t lose hope big man, you have waited since 2001, what is 3yrs. Look at Abdoulaye Wade, Abraham Lincoln & Nelson Mandela, How long did these guys wait? Though the court petition will not overturn the election of RB knowing the courts in Zambia but it will at least bring out the glaring anomalies in the elections like the voting which was taking place on friday and saturday in western province and other rotten things which occurred . For now LEKENI BAMUMBWE BATEKE!!
It is very wrong to thing that God is a ‘town boy’. God can use anything and anyone to give us a leader for we are equal before his eyes. This time He has used the rural community just like He did in 2006. I want to sincerely thank the rural people with all my heart. I know not many of you will read this from the villages but those of you in the villages who will read what I have written please tell you friends that ‘Fine!’ says thank you all rural people for helping us shape our country’s destiny. Even in next elections please turn out in numbers to do what you did. God bless you!
IT,S OK IT,S OK
WE ARE DONE BUT WE WILL NOT GIVE UP 2011 IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.I JUST HOPE THIS WAS FREE AND FAIR.# 27 we are around we have not changed names, what for we are still the same pf guys.TO MA PRESIDO BIG UP .U ARE THE MAN U GAVE THEM A GOOD RUN.HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
It is done and for the next three years, we will live with the reality of having Banda as our head of state. The villagers do not understand anything that we in the urban areas are complaining about. They can be exploited and be manipulated not only by political leaders but by even the common Zambian like you bloggers and I happen to be a victim of this. Take a bag of salt to a villager and you can have a munda dug out for you. Take some children’s salaula clothes and you will have a span of women villagers queeing up for labour. Untill we can educate the rural population we are doomed. What is going to happen next is a huge increase in voter apathy in urban areas.
Firstly Sata does not speak for all Zambians he speaks for the kaponyas in Lusaka and the Copperbelt who occupy all of the compounds and make most of the population. Then comes the Bemba tribalists those are Sata’s people. Very few of the enlightened and the elite can posiibly vote for the chief kaponya Sata , imposing himself on everything. I bet some of the P.Fmps must be breathing a sigh of relief. Praise This time Sata must retire .
I WOULD LIKE TO BESTORE A MASTERS DEGREE IN ADVANCED RIGGING TO VJ. IF HE WORKS HARD HE WILL BE GIVEN A PHD IN 2011.
FINE DO U KNOW WHAT U ARE TALKING ABOUT OR U ARE A RULAR DWELLER AND U ARE TRYING TO COMFORT YOUR SELF OR MAYBE HOW OLD ARE YOU.BE REAL
By the way, someone told me yesterday ati ‘ubufumu bufuma kuli Lesa’ I agree ubufumu not bukateka. Ubufumu is an inheritance, it runs through a certain family tree. They even know who will succeed who but for Presidency ifwe fwebantu we choose. Presidency is leadership, ubufumu is rulership.
Leave the villagers alone they are also zambians just like you. why do you want to treat them as if they are not human beings.Anyway,I will not say much im not a noise maker like you,I just want to thank God for having saved us from the king cobra, chief SATANA in short.VIVA villagers show them that you also have the power to neutralise the poison from the king cobra
the entire zambia voted on tribal lines save western province. we had bwezani, chilufya and hakainde. tribally speaking, western province should have voted for their closest relative, the tonga boy bt they never did.
I want to commend the lozi for this and it makes them stand out. you might argue that its because bwezani had Sikota in his camp, but you will remember that pf did badly when sikota was in that camp.
I think the fact that lozis are the only uncolonised zambians, no one will ever buy them….One Zambia One Nation
UNIP lives on!!! FTJ is a free RICH man!!!!Disgusting!!!
Lady of the Rose, am not a tribalist myself.athough am bemba i speak fluent tonga than some of you guys. Infact ndiyanda kukwata mukaintu wa chitonga. So kamulilemeka basa.Na ulandiyanda no problem inga nda kukwata.since am stil single.
Where is Sata??
#183, better UNIP to live on and FTJ to come back than to have an arrogant man in state house, infriging on everyone’s rights so long he thinks its ok…the the cobra restrategise on his character, it needs a lot of mending, actually baptism
Palata, article well reseached 6 out of 10.
Those who are saying they have been saved from Sata the serpent, what for the plundrers to swing into action, then you will testify and eat your own vomits. Tapabula nalikwebele.
The only reason why HH could fail to go through in 2011 is because of the triablistic tendancies of bembas. They wanted lozis and tongas to vote for sata and yet they couldnt even give HH a decent vote. All learned people in urban areas gave their vote to HH, except bembas who voted for sata for tribal reasons. at least kaponyas voted for PF becoz they believed sata’s lies. I thank tongas for giving more votes to miyanda than they gave to sata; that should teach these tribal bembas a lesson.
Imwe ba PF Sata for 2011! mukazinkalako serious! the chap belongs to the museum of African political history.. that way the country could raise more money than having him in state house.
Since the blog is becoming less exciting, as we have lost a lot of friends and prophets in the tragic boat accident who said come November 2 Sata will be at plot 1, I am just thinking or wondering who will be the Veep. How will he satisfy all those vultures. Can anybody guess what Sata is doing right now? Does he also cry, because i will not be eating nshima for days after this seemingly tragic ending to his career! How he wishes he listened to KK. Before every fall comes pride, so they say!
If the opposition was united, MMD would have been voted out in 2001, MMD has just been winning with simple majority since 2001, the opposition want to unite after the elections. Sata reminds of the MMD in 91, they said things they never achieved, Sata will never do the things he promises, he is just a good politician.
kalale ku plot one nyama soya kabili newe kamushi!
If the $200 mln election money had been divided equally over all Zambian families, it would have made them very happy indeed. After all the election is all about more money and equal sharing for all Zambians. Would it be possible for the NCC to decide soonest that, in case ill fate struck the president, the vice-president would take over till the coming elections?
Laura you are right on. but PF does not want the NCC , they dont want new laws they love the old.
kabiye ku plot one mukulala nyama soya kabili niwe nyama soya.
Southern province maintained their default voting partern HAHAHAHAHAHhahahahaHAhahaHAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,U c its not HH thats tribalistic its the ordinary zedian
I want the pf mourners to cry till their eyes are red and mucus flows from their nose. This is real misery. Hahahahahah heheheheheh i cant stop laughing at their silly faces. Hahahahahahahah heheheheheheh. Natwemwa . Rb you have made my day. Insult but this wont change anything. Pankoloko chwe chwe chwe.
kamushi kabiye mullala ku plot one
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!Ba post, are you not ashamed of yourselves you tried your level best to destroy RB’s name witout realising that it was only the kaponyas and a few educated ones whose ears were read to hear just what the wanted to hear.shame on you
kubalozi mulala muchishi mulesumwa namosquito that is why your prov is the least developed coz you are so dull and you lack foresight,too rigid for nothing. you are all KURKS
Aknhulu Mphuno ku State House! Mediocre!!! Agony is when you are Head of State and your own people have mixed feelings about you!!
Nyama soya only won because of people in the villages,u know why,he went and told lies about being responsible for droping fuel and mealie meal prices.do u know how much the kwacha is selling today against the rand,it shot up to global proportions,BWEZANI and VJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ(the riger)r here to enjoy the zambian kwacha nothing else,no interest for the pipo watsoever,Ngandu 4 vp
Do not insult the judgement of people in Rural Places for having voted for RB. What good is there is SATA the man who supported Chilubs’s Third Term bid the the core. U should have been wishing HH won if you had a sincere heart for Zambia. Not Sata.
Your living in urban places does not make u wiser. Both rich and poor people teach.
Nothing to contribute now,otherwise i will join you fellow countrymen and women some othertime.Time to think of Chrismas.All is, but aforementioned.
Observers said that the election in Zambia were free and fare what about those who were voting on saturday and friday, is that what you call free and fare election, what about the incidence were the teacher was caught with marked barrot papers ………. If these happened in the city and were detected what about in rural area,do they have the capability to detect anything reader, its up to you to answer.
#201 u are a bustard,have u ever been to western province,who do u think u are,mosqitoes(so u tell me ther are no mosqitoes in mzansi.O sematla,o seanganu,chipuba,schopet
Southern province voted just like luapula and northern voted for Sata while eastern voted for RB. So dont call Tongas tribal just because they voted for there man.
ELECTIONS IN ZAMBIA = CIRCUS
PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE RB WON FREE & FAIR = CLOWNS
#201 wat is Kubalozi,there is nothing like kubalozi in zambia,go back to grade one,chipuba
#201 talk to me coward
People be positive PF and UPND have learnt a lesson! Tribal was not the main factor I believe especially Sata had good votes in the Eastern, Southern and Western Provinces. These Kabobolas surrounding RB they are still working hard to divide and rule! They know if they create divisions they will not be removed from power. Good loving Zambians encourage PF and UPND to work together and the time is NOW! After all these election were not anticipated but 2011 is the real TEST! For MMD prove yourself to complete whatever you have been bragging about in this three years!
#209 we need more pipo lyk you and less lyk #201
Why not factor in the biased reporting by The Post. It also worked like a bribe by brainwashing the thinking of electorates in favour of Sata. Good economic advice LT, but people with such ideas are always there in government, but the latent force is donor conditionalities. See what is happening in Zimbabwe, would you borrow that as a good economic model from Mugabe?
#201 beware of wat u say it might just hit u back
WE DO NOT NEED A FLY OVER BRIDGE IN KALABO BUT GOOD SCHOOLS,ROADS,HOSPITALS ETC. MMD AND UPND ARE THE ONLY PARTIES WITH A WELL DEFINED PLAN FOR US. SATA WAS MAKING PROMISES WHICH ARE UN ATTAINABLE
we are fed up of MMD
VILLAGERS LIKE SHORT TERM THINGS SO A PACKET OF SUGAR SEEMS ENOUGH FOR THEM. I DONT THINK THEY EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT gdp IS ??? SO WHAT THE SEE IS WHAT WILL MOTIVATE THEM. ILIKO BADDDDD!!!!
bakamushi,does not only mean villagers. but the mind.Politics of poverty, greedy and so forth are paramount in z.
we are not ready for democracy yet…. insala.
#216 i agree with u partly upnd yes but MMD no
The sentiments that have been expressed are by and large true, the issue in my view is not about who wins an election I think the issues that we as Zambians should be looking at are fundamental, how do we move the Country forward. I do not believe change of leardership with the current structures will be of any use. The transformation of our society is not about politicians but about us Zambians, we need to change our attitudes, work a little bit harder take charge of our economy then only will we have systems that work and leaders who are accountable. The sad reality is that we have not moved away from market politics from the Kaunda day, we continue to have marketeers determine the destiny
yeah villagers were being lied to By nyama soya
LETS FIND A WAY OF TAXING VILLAGERS, THESE JUST ENJOY GOVT SERVICES FROM TAX PAYERS MONEY – I WILL BE CHASING THEM WHEN THEY COME 4 HELP. I WILL BE TELLING THEM AM HEAVILLY TAXED BY YO GOVT
Mr Kelvin every party was allowed to have agents at every polling station even where voting delayed. so what are those agents saying? that their points are not tallying with the official ones? and did they see any strange BIG HAND stuffing pre-marked ballots in the boxes? if not whats the complaint about kanshi! am failing to understand.
Breaking news!!!!!!!!!!!Vj has just published a book,titled HOW TO RIG ELECTIONS AND NEVER TO BE CAUGHT
You people be reminded that peace is the most cardinal thing in any christian nation.You can imagine you ve got more money in your(which only hell and sata knows where it would ve been flowing from)but you are buzy running up and down like our friends in our neibouring countries.You guys think first b4 you wakeup blindly, and start following the kaponyaz.Kaponyaz are used to such kind of life. its unfortunate that even learned collegues were trying their best to listen to sata’s empty and unattainable promises.think learned collegues. but i thank God their efforts were in vain
WHATS WRONG WITH THE POEPLE FROM NORTH WESTERN AND WESTERN PROVINCE. DO YOU MEAN THEY DONT HAVE ELIT RELATIVES WHO COULD EXPLAIN TO THEM HOW THINGS ARE AND THAT THEY DESERVE BETTER. THEY SHOULD NOT BE LIKE DOMESTIC ANIMALL WHO ALWAYS GOES WHAT THE MASTER WANTS. DESPITE HAVE A LOT OF NATURAL RESOURCES OUR LIFE EXPECTANCE IS VERY SHORT ESPECIALLY FOR THE POOR WHO CANT AFFORD GOOD MEDICAL FACILITIES. YOU EXPECT A PERSON WHO IS SUFFERYING MORE TO SUPPORT THE OPPOSITION AND NOT THE CURRENT THUNGS IN GOVERNMENT. EVEN YOU URBAN GUYS YOU DONT TAKE TIME TO EXPLAIN TO THOSE POOR RELATIVE OF YOUR IN VILLAGES. I WOULD HAVE LOVED PF OR UPND TO HAVE TAKEN THE DAY FOR THE SAKE OF DEMOCRACY AND DEVELOPMENT.
this election is a joke!
If we run a country in reverse. We distort history and like a time machine,we run into our past,then the ghosts, zombies. Vjs, kaundas, come to haunt us! No nation has developed on zombies! Watch those rooftops,the ghost busters!
Hello,Mwe bantu do not blame the villagers,these chaps did vote but the goverment capitalised on the illitracy they are forwarding in these rural areas for the same reason of rigging.Zambians are not happy and that includes a villager from shagombo or chavuma ho relies on his child for support.
These thieves manipulated the village vote because no one will question them!!!!!
The article is right on but for the bloggers sake,conduct a random survey and you will be shocked to learn that 3 out 5 villagers voted for the opposition.Yes we have Banda as a president after Banda????? God will help us,no calibre in MMD but again they will do it again!!!
HH wait for me am on my way!!!
That’s a nice article. But i think we have to be careful with the labels or tags of “Rural” and “Urban” voters as the situation is not that simplistic. PF wins a lot of rural votes in Northern and virtually the whole of Luapula. HH wins all the rural votes in Southern province. So MMD does not really have a monopoly of so-called “rural” votes in the same way that PF has a monopoly over the “Urban” votes of Lusaka and Copperbelt provinces.
I think although few would want to admit it, what we have in Zambia is simply “TRIBALISM”, or more politely “REGIONALISM.” Bembas and Bemba-speaking people vote for Sata, Tongas and many Ilas vote for HH.Eastern & the perceived “smaller” tribes go MMD
anyone who believes that this was a free and fair election is deluded!
WE SHUD have never writen off the man who go an infection in the ear,went TO SA on the day ballot papers were being printed out.
VIVA RB ABASH UN DEMOCRATIC SATA
Unfortunately the elite,tax payers who understand GDP decided to stay in the comfort of their homes waiting to hear the results.You should not blame people in the village for exercising their right to vote.
back tommoro
y are u picking on western province,the poor pipo were bribed by BWEZANI remember the fuel and mealie meal prices,can any one tell me how much mealie meal is
NA CHIMBUSA that sounds lyk an abortion pill,get rid of the name and RB
I WAS TELLING YOU MAMBALAS THAT SATA WAS GOING TO LOSE AND YOU CALLED ME NAMES. PONYAX EVEN SAID I WORK FOR THE SHUSHUSHU. GOLIAT SAID I WAS DULL. MAESTRAL HHEHHEHHEHHE LAUGHED AT ME. NOW REALITY HITS AT YOU. SATA’S RALLY IN SOLWEZI DREW THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, BUT IN SOLWEZI CENTRAL HE ONLY GOT 382 VOTES. MOST PEOPLE WHO USED TO ATTEND SATA’ RALLIES WERE THUGS AND KAPONYAS WHO DO NOT VOTE. SATA HAS A LOT OF SUPPORTERS BUT VERY FEW MEMBERS. AND THIS IS THE END OF THE ROAD FOR HIM NEXT ELECTIONS, ONY HH HAS A CHANCE
VIVA RB
the election was a joke how can bwezani win
# 209 DISGUSTED YOU ARE DISGUSTING. RB WON FREE AND FAIR. IF YOU MAMBALAS DONT KNOW HOW TO ADD (OR COUNT) THERE IS FREE BASIC EDUCATION IN ZAMBIA. COME BACK HOME AND WE WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO COUNT SO YOU CAN ADD HOW MANY VOTES SATA GOT AND HOW MANY RB GOT. I CAN EVEN PAY FOR A TERM FOR YOU!!!
IWE KA BUCKSHOTN NAIWE KA ZED, THESE ELECTIONS WERE NOT A JOKE. PEOPLE VOTED BASED ON WHAT THEY KNOW TO BE REAL. YOU ARE BUSY TALKING WHILE YOU ARE OUT OF THE COUNTRY YOU DIDNT EVEN COME TO VOTE. TUMAMBALA IMWE. RB WON. FAIRLY. LPM WON IN 2006. FAIRLY. LPM WON IN 2001. FAIRLY. FTJ WON IN 1996. FAIRLY. FTJ WON IN 1991. FARLY. THATS LIFE BAICHE. GROW UP AND STOP WHINING. JUST GO AND EAT TUTE AND SLEEP FOR GOODNESS SAKE
242,
that very generous of you!!!hahahahah is banda your uncle?? so soon the family tree,wait and see tukamikaka!!!
SATA’S EMPTY PROMISES HAVE HIT BACK ON HIM AND HIS QUESTIONED SUPPORTERS.EVEN VILLAGERS COULD READ HIS MIND THAT HE IS A LIER AND A DECEIVER JUST LIKE THE SERPENT WHICH DECEIVED EVE
His Excelleny Rupiah Bwezani Banda, President of the Republic of Zambia : 2008 – 2011. how nice!
SATA CAN’T RULE ZAMBIA. NOW HE GOES TO COURT TO CHALLENGE RB’S ELECTION. ON WHAT GROUNDS? I THOUGHT EVEN A GRADE 4 DROP OUT KNOWS HOW TO COUNT. WHY CAN’T HE JUST TALLY THE VOTES?
Anconda/More Money and co.- you guys are blatantly on the RP payroll! greedy plunderers! How can policies that advocate helping the poor and keeping Zambian profits in Zambia be a bad thing?
Not even the police wanted him. Did you see the Sikanze polls? Anybody could guess why
Anaconda- you choose to believe MMD’s version of events, and we choose to believe the truth. alas opinions are like deleted
# 244 mosi-o-tunya I JUST WANT THESE GUYS TO KNOW THAT IF THEY THINK THE TALLIES DON’T ADD UP, THEY SHOULD COUNT AGAIN. WHY BEHAVE LIKE THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO COUNT? WHAT HAS IMPRESSED ME MOST ABOUT RB IS THE WAY HE RESPONDED TO THE POST. NO RESPONSE AT ALL. THAT WAS GOOD. HE HAS THE ACCOMODATING HEART OF A LEADER,. NOW IMAGINE IT WAS SATA WHO WAS INSULTED BY THE POST FOR 90 DAYS CONTINOUSLY!!!! THERE WAS GOING TO BE FIRE. SATA NO LEADER NO NO!
why would the police vote in someone that would put an end to police corruption? I swear I think some people are so dumb, and you call Sata’s supporters uneducated? kwena mwena zambia fya zanda!
ANACONDA dont develop a headache with vima fontini… they want to pretend like they know things when they know nothing. that same sata they are floating and trying to clean up is a thug in civilised democracies he would not be anyway near a ballot box. he cant even have elections in his own party. he has been president of PF for eight years now! who elected him? bayende uko! sata must answer whether elections in 2006 and 1991 were rigged! he must also tell us what transperancy was there durng his time as MMD national secretary.
YOU PF SUPPORTERS JUST SIT BACK AND ORGANISE YOURSELVES.YOUR PRESIDENT HAS BEEN CRYING SINCE YESTERDAY. YOU CANT EVEN FIND TIME TO PASS THROUGH HIS PLACE TO CONFORT HIM EYEEEEEEEEE ULUSE BASHIKULU BASATA! YANGU TATA YEEEEEEEE!
# 250 Miss president SATA JUST TALKS THE TALK. HE DOESNT WALK THE WALK. SATA HAS BEEN IN GOVERNMENT SINCE 1950 (BEFORE INDEPENDENCE!!) MWEBANTHU WHAT NEW IDEAS WILL THE DINOSAUR GIVE? WHY DIDN’T H GIVE US THE IEAS IN 1964? OR EVEN IN 1972? IN 1991 HE DIDN’T HAVE ANY NEW IDEA. NOW YOUN THINK IN 2008 HE CAN DO SOMETHING FOR YOU? THE MAN IS OLD. I BET YOU HE CAN’T EVEN DO ANY THING USEFUL EVEN IN BED!
251 anaconda
This is the very same post which was a Mwanwasa family mouthpiece? you are a hypocrite! and do you think MMD would want a recount when they know they lost? ofcourse not, thats why RP was sworn in so quickly on Sunday.
# 253 Mwanjawanthu THANX MAN. I AGREE WITH U TOTALLY
VIVA RB
251 Anaconda: Okay but what has RP ever done? in both the UNIP and MMD government? Sata has actually had results in the ministerial posts that he has held, he is a man of action whereas RP has always been a quiet follower. RP wasnt even an elected MP he was appointed by Mwawanasa, that is not democratic. Plus how do you Sata is not useful in bed, have you tried and been rejected by him? please dont lower the tone of this discussion cause those are kabova manners!
#256 Miss president EVEN IF RB HAS BEEN SWORN IN THEY DO NOT THROW AWAY THE BALLOTS. THEY ARE STILL THERE FOR ANYBODY TO RECOUNT. REMEMBER THEY RECOUNTED THE 2001 VOTES TWO YEARS AFTER THE ELECTIONS. STOP CRYING AND GET A COURT ORDER TO RECOUNT THE VOTES. SATA LOST BECAUSE OF THE RURAL VOTE. JUST AS HE DID IN 2006. JUST AS HE WILL IN 2011. I PROMISE YOU. THE MMD IS QUITE GOOD IN AGRICULTURE POLICY AND THATS WHAT MATTERS TO MY FATHER BACK IN THE VILLAGE. NOT TAXES WHICH HE DOES NOT PAY. FOOD.
Miss president RB HAS ACHIEVED A LOT IN HIS OWN RIGHT. THAT IS WHY LPM APPOINTED HIM VP. BECAUSE HE SAW WHAT THE MAN HAS DONE. HE WAS A VERY GOOD REPRESENTANTIVE TO THE UN. A GOOD AMBASSODOR TO EGYPT. A GOOD FOREIGN MINISTER. A GOOD BUSINESSMAN AT ALLEN WEST AND ROBERT HUDSON AND CIPOZA HOLDINGS AMONG OTHERS. BUT ABOVE ALL, HE HAS A COOL HEAD OVER HIS SHOULDERS. SATA’S HEAD IS FULL OF INSULTS 9AS WAS DEMONSTRATED ON MUVI TV WHEN HE WENT TO INSULT THE ECZ OFFICIALS AFTER LOSING) HOW DO YOU HAVE A FOUL MOUTHED OLD MAN AS A PRESIDENT OF THE PROUD REPUBLIC OF ZAMBIA?
Rupiah should not boast of such a victory,anyway its peace peace peace but the cries of the innocent zambians(PF) God knows it all.
PF for the reberation of the poor.Pf for life.Pabwatooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Shame, 152, you know in African culture, if you call a woman prostitute, there is alot silently being said about you. Did she sleep with your father, not even you. YOu are a hopeless pile of animal waste.
BUSHE PONYAX ALI KWISA? NGA MAESTRAL HheHheHheHhe? iseni bamambala tulande nomba you were saying i work for the shushushu for saying RB will win.
KEEP IT UP PEOPLE FROM RURAL AREAS WE LOVE YOU AND DONT BE INTIMIDATED BY THESE SO CALLED IMPROVED VILLAGES
Maureen Mwanawasa is the Vice Prresident in RB’s new Cabinet. KK is trying to push for his children to be in important decision making positions. Wako ni wako. The Family Tree reins
FINALLY A LADY I AGREE WITH (#263 Miss Pretty). #152 IS WORSE THAN MANURE BECAUSE MANURE CAN MAKE THINGS GROW. UYO MAMBALA NI MISSED CALL (HIS PARENTS MISSED)
How does a place (a wilderness) were the majority people did not even have a clue we in zambia were having elections (or let alone that LPM bless his soul was no more), produce 7000 votes for one candidate? Or a small rural Barotse town with a handfull of inhabitants prodeuce 13000 votes for a candidate? surpassing chilanga constituency in Urban Lsk? Is it that the rural folk were assisted to vote the zim style?
OK AM OFF
Miss President are you Zambian! Rupiah is not RP he is RB initials standing for Rupiah Banda so dont keep on calling him RP. And by the way appointing a Vice President from outside parliament in zambia is not undemocratic its perfectly legal and constitutional. The president has powers to nominate up to 10 MPs and from there he can pick a Vice President. If you are not happy with that tell sata to allow his MP’s to take part in the NCC so they can change the law.
HH will never be presieent to rule this country, he is blind with the personal ambition to be in State House.
@270- ofcourse am Zambian, why else would i be getting involved, its called a Typo! ( as in typing error ok?, sue me!). why dont you go back to kissing MMD ass cause you are clearly a sycophant!
I am now worried state house will be full of mbeba and ba Kwindi. Many easters will be exporting ba koswe to state house. What a country now to the mbeba ne michila.
The article is quite shallow it shows the writer did not conduct any serious research.Why is everyone condemning the rural voters.Do we know why they keep voting for the ruling party.this is what the writer should have inquired from these so called villagers.
we should move away from this trend of waiting for the government to give us jobs.The government was not behind the creation of this site someone thought about it and if the people behind it were innovative they would be making money but unfortunately like every zambia they are not;cut and paste stories from other media.
Zambians lets learn to be innovative and creative thats the only way our country shall prosper period.
Foul mouthed ba #261…Do you know what pain is? Have you stepped out of you town or even living room where you enjoy bribes to see how much pollution is being done by Insitu mining in kitwe?
Have you been to the north western prov, where the chinese are digging copper indiscriminately…
Do you know Banda, Chiluba and all those useless old men went to mine owners and got money that is supposed to be tax…to buy voters, corrupt officers to deny peopl new voters cards…just to make sure Sata loses….Have you thot of why HH and Miyanda contested despite knowing their popularity was only a handful…..????? Thats the money for roads, schools, hospitals, better settlement areas and all tha
HH can redeem himself in 2011. He needs to find impeccable allies. I dont blame him if he refused to work with PF- pacts are about having a common destingy, not unbridled ambition to liv in State House. As for NCC and law reform, they need to look at the Elecoral Act, and several other pieces of legislation that will carry the country forward. The mistake of previous attempts at law reform is that they have targetted individuals. Sata is caught up in one of these many webs right now. Ask me.
# 272 Iyo mwandi! Typo pamene mwayambila! sycophant for telling you what the constitution says? You were trying to mislead everyone that RB was undemocratically appointed VEEP. Dont lie bane lets say the truth. Ulifutu sana iwe ayi? just argue nicely.Its painful to lose but dont insult.
@Voice of Reason
they keep voting for the ruling party cause the MMD give them maize and fertiliser cause people are poor and hungry!! and use tax payers money to fund the election! how can you have a viable oposition when the opposition can not compete on a financial scale?
#235. It could be that the elite who understand GDP actually went out and voted. Only that the population of the elite is much smaller compared to the rest.
Think about it, only a small % of those who go to school end up reaching college or university. Most dropped off at Grades 7 and 9. Many more fail at G12. Very few G12s understand economics – macro and micro economics, inflation, GDP etc. The elite are seriously outnumbered in Zambia. Just look around, in families or society. How many have gone as far as university. Very few people indeed. The masses are G12 and below.
#This follows the nice pictures in w w w . lusakatimes . c o m / ? p = 5245. I just like to see how Former President FTJ Chiluba (Hon. Doctor, Malawi) dribbled Sata 3 times in a roll – a reall and nice hat-trick. I wrote about it before the elections that ba-Chiluba will help us to dribble Sata together with the POST and caused Sata to lose. How nice to see how ba-Chiluba has helped my country Zambia to be without a dictator as Zambian President.
Huts off ba-Chiluba, please hang on for you might just help us dribble Sata again in 2011. Take care and be blessed. The good Lord, God, surely forgives and please confess anything that is not yet right between you and God, if you haven’t yet.
@277 – Read back to what i said, he was appointed but not elected, in a democracy those are 2 very different and distinct things comprende? one you are just cherry picked, and the other you run for election and are actually voted in by constitunecy ( wanvela?). So RB did not have a direct mandate from the people, and was made Acting President when parliment was not in session wanvela? is that clear?
miss prez and to them thats what matters then the govt meets their needs so they vote for them as a result
@277 furthermore its you and your cronies who have been insulting people on this post and everyone else is just reacting! plus are you a constutional lawyer? naaah didnt think so!plus i dont hurt for myself, I hurt for my country and people with honest and good intentions that will never be realised as long as this one party rule continues!
Miss president you wrote : RP wasnt even an elected MP he was appointed by Mwawanasa, that is not democratic.’ maybe i misunderstood you sorry if i did.
@282 the govenrment only meets their needs when its election time! the rest of the time, they give tax breaks to foreigners and allow foreign countries to take their profits out of Zambia instead of investing it in health,eduaction and home grown industry,and small businesses. Unfirtunately when people are starving they look for a short term solution hence the vicious cycle we are caught in!
@284
thanks for reinforcing my arguement.
Find one insult from me and am ready to apologise. i dont insult . miss president.
#287, that is the way to go. Insulters show us that their raising was very terrible and leaves much to be desired. However, let us continue to try to help them give up this evil behaviour of insulting others.
Education is illusive for many, the two universities cannot accommodate the demand and the available private schools are too expensive for the common man. Graduates have been reduced to corporate kaponyas moving around the streets of Cairo road and doing briefcase businesses. They are no jobs in Zambia. No jobs. Most of my colleagues some of whom are reading this article have been reduced to doing jobs abroad that they otherwise wouldn’t have done back home.
it is time we Africans became a little selfish and enjoyed some economic power. Like the cliché saying goes’ who so ever has the money has the power’. If you give investors 3 years tax exemption then why don’t you do the same to the local investors? The truth is that Zambians are over taxed well over three times. Think about it! The government cries of not having money but one thing they don’t realise is that there is a huge informal sector out there which is not taxed. Why? Because the taxes are high so people don’t register their businesses? The best way to widen the tax base is to reduce tax and provide an environment that will help grow local industry. Then you will have more money to
mwanya tu PF bakoswe
@ Malinso
how rude! some of us arent PF, we are just true Zambians who are not out to eat what we can!
Ba kamushi including my mother, You will all eat RBB and his 50 pin fertilizer. Ubunga( mealie meal is now 73,000 kwacha ( almost 10 quid)more poverty in your pockets
Ka malinso wanya diwe. Moron
Painful reality…might aswell go back to The Luba Lunda Empire and Zulu Kingdom times when Africa was still one.
ewo chakalipa, ayi kulike (Whoever is grieved let him/her hung him/herself) Banda has been sworn in as Our President, whether rural or urban dwellers.
Lets just hope and pray that this RB put togather a powerfull cabinet,th the sake of our Great but Povertish nation!
I rest my case…
Could someone please tell me who the mmd party president and vice -presidents are? RB a former unip man taking over the realms of the mmd party- l forsee a bloody civil war for the soul of the party.RB will need all of his diplomatic skills to accomodate the large tent that mmd has become.
@ 297 allegedly RB is the MMD and republican president and no confirmation of VP yet, but someone said it might be Maureen Mwanwasa. RB is a UNIP supported by Kaunda, half the MMD cabinet have been members of PF/ZRP/UPND etc… no loyalty, just career politicians! as you can see from this post they are so many deluded Zambians who accept everything the governtment says without qustioning the reasons behind what happens, its ruly shocking and sad for our country.
i can swear that mingeli palata is information and broadcasting permanent secretary emmanuel nyirenda. the other name is john j musukuma, state house spokesman. these are the only ones that can write such crap.
# 290 i will hunt you down and cut off your b;;;
No 296 – Uli chipuba!! What kind of nonsense is that?? are you normal?? Get over yourself!! If you have nothing intelligent to contribute on this blog then f*** off and leave us patriotic Zambians to discuss National Issues. Naba kutuma??
do you know why KK proposed that unip changes its name to united national integrated party? it is preparing ground to join the mmd under its former member rupiah banda. wait for the 2010 mmd convention. they will “kill” each other there.
@Dyspo- how is telling someone with a different opinon form yours to hang themselves a productive and chiristian thing to do? and be honest do you really think that RB will be an independent and strong leader when thus far in his 50 year political career he has been more than happy to stay silent and in the shadows? his cabinet will be made up of the same old corrupt career politicians that have been sucking the future of our country dry! deep down am sure even you know that!
298 Miss President thakyou very much.
lf we continue to accumulate power and not wisdom we will surely destroy ourselves-Carl Sagan
I JUST DON’T HOW RB IS GOING TO DEAL WITH BRIBERY, CORRUPTION, LYING, REGIONALISM, TRIBALISM, MISUSE OF PUBLIC PROPERTY AND FUNDS, ETC, WHEN HIS PRESIDENCY WAS FULL OF THESE ELEMENTS BY HIM. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT SURPRISING. HE IS COMING FROM A UNIP BACKGROUND WHERE SUCH THINGS WERE NORMAL. THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS ZAMBIANS SET FOR THE COUNTRY. SMALL WONDER ZAMBIA FAILS TO DEVELOP DESPITE ABUNDANT NATURAL RESOURCES.
Sorry # 290 it is # 296
A NUMBER of unions say the presidential elections that have been won by MMD presidential candidate Rupiah Banda were conducted in a transparent manner and that the opposition should accept the outcome for continued peace and unity.
The labour movement further says the 50 per cent plus one voting system should not be considered for Zambia because of the many political parties that take part in presidential elections.
Mine Workers Union of Zambia (MUZ) and National Union for Communication Workers (NUCW) said this in separate interviews in Ndola yesterday.
THE TRADE UNION MOVEMENT IS COMPROMISED. WHERE ARE THE FACKSON SHAMENDAS WHO WERE FEARLESS? HIKAUNDA IS THE MOST USELESS UNIONIST EVER.
Are Zambians celebrating RB’s victory? I wonder why? Only Chinese and Peruvians are celebrating RB’s victory in our country while Zambians are not. It’s so interesting? Generally on the copperbelt the mood is sombre among Zambian workers especially miners who are do all the donkey work and take home peanuts. But with peruvian loader drivers, it’s all good
Viva Miss President – I will vote for you in 2011!! Spot on!! Zambians are so jadded – so much that you can literally screw them over – like 2001, 2006 and now 2008 and they will thank you for it – Even RB will be called “Our Great Leader” at some future date. Hey people, has anyone ever heard of a Zambian who bought a plot in China?? Food dor thought..
#297 Michael Mabenga is the acting MMD president while the party has no vice president. according to the MMD constitution they need to go to a convention to elect a party president and vice. Thats why levy acted as party president until he was elected at a convention. For now Mabenga may wish to hand over the acting post to RB for smooth running of the party. like Kavindele did to Mwanawasa.
TO ALL ZAMBIANS I SAY THIS:
I WILL NOT FAIL YOU.
I INVITE YOU ALL TO WORK WITH ME.
LET US TOGETHER BUILD A STRONGER ZAMBIA.
FINALLY, AND ON A VERY PERSONAL NOTE, I MUST GIVE MY HEARTFELT THANKS TO MY WIFE THANDIWE AND MY FAMILY FOR STANDING BY ME AND FOR SUPPORTING ME DURING THIS CAMPAIGN.
I OWE YOU EVERYTHING.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
MAY GOD BLESS ZAMBIA.
THANK YOU.
cogratulations mr president for your victory,forgive those who insulted you day and night for they did not know what they were doing.Forgive the post newspaper for their bad puplicity about you, now they will adress you as president and not vice president even when you were acting president.
307 -Did you still listen to union leaders ? They have all drank the kool aid-its astonishing
Chwe,chwe,chwe!
God save us from this modern day slavery that we are going through. Is Zambia truly our land?
#312 imagine ayi.. how can a country not have a president? but some newspapers! even at the post when Fred goes away for a long time is he telling us there will be no one to act in his place?
vk – kagone!! you are talking rubbish!! What sort of name is VK anyway??
@ Thanks Afrocentric, maybe in 2016 though,once i gain more expereicnce! mwandi I am so annoyed cause I cant understand why our people can not not see the bigger picture! Our parents did not fight for independence so that we can be recoloniased by new rulers be it the Chinese/Peruvians and Western nations! and can you imagine if a Zambian company took Zambian workers to china to work in their factory? would that be allowed? ofcourse not! China have caused so much pollution in the Copperbelt, they dump toxic waste in rivers, yet they are still not regulated!
fellow bloggers- am going for a meeting now, i’ll be back!
ok- I got the meeting time wrong! @ Obama- i share your despair,Zambia is our land in spirit and name only!
Obama – my fellow country man – I too have sleepless nights wondering if this is trully our land. We are buying 1 acre plots at meanwood for 75Million kwacha apiece. The Mininstry of Lands claims it does not have land anymore but when foreigners come, they are freely allocated land and are given tax windows in the name of investment. Is Sata wrong to call some of them infesters?? We want change!! 2 years is not a long time – but its certainly long enough for a thief to stick his fingers in the National treasury!! We are doomed!!
I will just join you guys who are abroad, I made a grave mistake to come back to my own country, nothing seems to be moving. I am planning to leave Zambia
#321- Please do not express your ignorance about the 1995 land act of which Sata and chiluba masterminded to put our land on sale. Check the archives and you will see for your self how Sata even threatened to have arrested some NGOs that were campaigning against the 1995 land act!
Veteran politician and freedom fighter Elijah Mudenda is dead. MHSRIP.
For me i can’t wait to get back home sweet home will always be home!
I am not advocating for PF but at least Sata’s words reasonates with my soul… November 2nd was a dark day for my country, a dark day for my grandmother who can’t even get a Panadol at Matero clinic, a dark day for my brother who holds ACCA/BAAC qualifications but can not get a decent job, a dark day for my retired father who’s desperately trying to set up a business in this unfair market, a dark day for my brother who’s desperately trying to read for a law degree at Unza amidst the infamous closures, a dark day for me – a relatively well educated Zambian currently reporting to an “expertraite” boss without an O’Level education… Need I say more??
# 308 LET THEM CELEBRATE IT WONT BE FOR LONG, WE ARE WOUNDED
@326 Afrocentric: well said my brother!
ARE THE CHINESE ZAMBIANS?
I cant even go back ku zambia because balesala ifipuba to be presidents
323(Jazzie) – RB is no lesser evil – you think you know this dude?? Just wait and see how he take you for a joy ride and I pray that you enjoy it!! and by the way – that act can be amended – things are different now!! check your water bill and you will appreciate some things of old – ignorance my arse!! Just because a law is enacted doesn’t mean it cant be changed. Why didnt Mwanawasa change it?? Because it was convenient!! RB will be no different either!!
so you mean us in Zambia we donmt have other good people apart from ba Banda?
No# 320 you trully are a wise lady. If by 2011 we can find a woman with your intergrity and true intellectual wisdom, then she or you has my vote. Often I have stated that the true future of our beloved nation, might lie in the hands of our mothers. Who else in Zambia in the general sense is not lazy, is selfless, wins belts, golf tournaments, commonwealth games and has run Zambia state insurance to Global levels of prosperity. Let me say this and quote me if and when I am president aswell, 70% of our culture is cow dung. The only ever true saviour of Zambia is Jesus. May our Lord GOD bless us even in our hurt mental states. Whether you supported PF, HP or UPND worship Jesus(God) only.
” . . .and the Southern province maintained their default voting pattern”
That was a funny provactive line. Interesting article. Balanced.
A president ligitimately elected by the iliterates in the western province who are told what to vote for and not their own favourite candidate.
its just unfortunate that my good man Ngandu Magande will be frustrated because his boss is useless and and an enemy. i feel pity and hope he will not resign. Magande is no surrounded by imisuku iyibi iyala safya ipanga.
Iyeeeeeeeeeeeee twachula mwe Lesa twafyeni.
ITS A SHAME THAT IN MY OWN COUNTRY, ZAMBIANS ARE NOT CELEBRATING MMD VICTORY BUT THE CHINESE AND PERUVIANS ARE. THEY ARE EVEN SAYING THEIR MONEY MAKING MISSION IS SAFE. WHAT A SHAME. ZAMBIA WILL NEVER DEVELOP!!!
#326. Afrocentric,
Well spoken. RB will continue this legacy of favouring foreigners in everything. He has no backbone to stand up to those investors like chinese who abuse our people. This is my greatest criticism for LPM and RB.
HOW COME AFTER MMD VICTORY ALMOST THE ENTIRE NATION IS SAD. DOES THIS REFLECT A TRUE VICTORY? WHY IS IT THAT WHEN EVER MMD WINS AN ELECTION NOWADAYS THE POLICE ARE PUT ON ALERT? WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT UP AGAINST THE PEOPLE?
EVEN RB WILL START DOING EXACTLY WHAT SATA TALKS ABOUT IN HIS CAMPAIGNS JUST LIKE THE LATE LPM DID. REMEMBER WHEN SATA WAS SICK LPM SAID THAT, HE HAD TO RUSH TO SA BECAUSE THE NATION NEEDED SATA.
I long for a president who will favour Zambians rather than foreigners. A brave patriotic soul who will vow not to sell Zambia for a song. Rupiah is not that man. He is courting Chinese – the notorious investor with a daring record of abuse of our fellow Zambians. Let us challenge our new president to be a mere lover of money, pomp and show. I hope he will show first and foremost that he heart beats on ly for the plight of the Zambian people.
Why are Zambian Presidents being sworn in hastily and under heavy police presence? What does that translate to the MMD members?
I long for a president who will favour Zambians rather than foreigners. A brave patriotic soul who will vow not to sell Zambia for a song. Rupiah is not that man. He is courting the Chinese – the notorious investor with a daring record of abuse of our fellow Zambians. Let us challenge our new president NOT to be a mere lover of money, pomp and show. I hope he will show first and foremost that his now presidential heart beats for the plight of the Zambian people.
Good article LT. I am disappointed with rural Zambia. Rural Zambia has been underdeveloped for “centuries” and the situation does not seem to get any better in the next 100 years. Yet the rural “dwellers” cannot see this. Urban Zambia understands the issues and this MMD govt should get it or else they will be in for a shock. Thank you urban Zambia.
NO ZAMBIAN PRESIDENT WILL EVER WIN THE MO IBRAHIM PRIZE FOR AFRICAN LEADERSHIP WHICH HAS SO FAR BEEN WON BY JOACHIM CHISSANO AND FESTUS MOGAE, EX-PRESIDENTS OF MOZAMBIQUE AND BOTSWANA, RESPECTIVELY. THEIR ATTITUDE TOWARDS CITIZENS IS SO BAD IT IS UNIMAGINABLE.
Look at the pathetic photo of rural Zambia and the voting booth! One would think that one would understand from this and cast in a protest of a vote! Alas! Maybe be that is why they say “rural!”
#331, And what makes you think Sata will have change the Law? I do not support RB or his MMD, i have aalways been non partisan, non tribal. politicians will never develop this country it is us the people to push and push for the issues that we want addressed. The problem with zambians is that we are only active when casting the vote and forget about so many other things we can do. So lets put our demands to RB and push for those issues to be implemented. crying for the spilt milk is too late right now lets get up and get working!
It is surprising that LT and some readers here consider Rural Zambia as having voted wrongly. Much as the urban Zambia may be learned, in this case they(rural) saved Zambia from a dictator; someone who does not know democracy in his own party but he wanted to be a champion on national level. I will say it again! HH could have been the best option but HH and Sata could not agree on working together. So DO NOT BELITTLE the rural vote. Infact it is Sata who did not want to work with HH bacause all he wanted was to be MR. PRESIDENT.
Do not go to the rural areas just for a vote but make regular contacts then they will know you – DO NOT INSULT THEM!
I agree with #346. Let us learn to petition and push government to do what is right for Zambia.
Lusaka Times, Is it possible for you or some learned reader(s) on this forum to petition The President to deal with a category of foreign workers who come to Zambia to do what Zambians are supposed to doing? This could also include sorting out corruption in the Immigration department; these are the fellows who dubiously allow Chinese to be selling at markets or taking Zambian jobs – These are the issues. What do you say LT. We can sign the petition and then have it delivered either to the president or parliament.
There are some blame games on non participation in the NCC on this blog. I think we all need to understand that a number of stakeholders refused to participate on moral grounds due to the large and enormous allowances at the tax payers expense. What we need to be advocating for is no allowances or withdrawal of these allowances so that all the stakeholders can participate .Patriotism should be the driving factor, infact the Zambian people should demand for a refund of the Taxpayers money so that it can be channeled to other Developmental projects, let them work out of Patriotism.
R. Banda, Tatamashimba & Mwaanga are flying to a campaign rally in Solwezi. Teta looks at Mwaanga & chuckles: ‘you Know, I could throw a K50, 000 note out the window right now and make one voter very happy.
Mwaanga shrugs his shoulders & says: ‘Well, I could throw five K10, 000 notes out of the window and make five voters very happy.’
RB says: ‘Of course, but I could throw ten K5,000 notes out of the window & make ten voters very happy.’
The pilot rolls his eyes, looks at all of them, & says: ‘I could throw all of you out of the window and make the Whole country very happy
There is no such thing as Rural vs Urban vote. Are people saying Sata only got Urban votes? Isn’t Mpika mostly rural? And didn’t RB get lots of Urban votes too.
You people gripe and complain, but are you willing to put yourself out there to make a difference. You should get involved yourself and change it if you don’t like it.
Develop agriculture and feed the people when a man or woman does not have to worry about food and shelter then he can think and become educated. Once educated you can work to bring jobs to home and bring home all of those brilliant people who are now scattered around the world making other people rich instead of making Zambia rich.
Even if Sata and HH combined efforts,the Movement for Mad dogs were going to manipulate the results. In Zambia things will only be normal when VJ dies.
Mingeli Palata, I am not sure ‘Rural versus Urban vote’ is the best title 4 your well researched article. Rather ‘Political Parties stronghold Areas’ Irrespective of the locallity, people voted for the party/person whom they have frequently seen and/or heard about. And whose work, insignficant as it may be, gives them the hope of a better tomorrow. The vote distribution speaks 4 itself. All political parties ought 2 sell themselves with developmental projects in each and every province. Otherwise, Regionalism will soon rare its ugly head again. 2011 is just around the corner. A study of RB, MCS and GM votes assures me that Zambians can rise above tribal politics. It is a steeping stone, yes.
Good reseached article now tell the villagers not to complain of anything coz they have been deserving rural hardships and hand outs.
We will see if more sugar will be given to them in the next three years.
Well researched and true information.
Zambia is a ghost country. Lets accept it; it is the poorest in the region, yet the biggest copper producer.
INDEED YOU AND YOUR PRESIDENT ARE VILLAGE CHICKENS…NYAMA SOYA……
already villagers in some remote corner of northwestern province are complaining that water from their wells is contaminated with poo poo and wee wee. unfortunately, the status quo will remain the same until these villagers know how to vote wisely. tetamashimba will meanwhile be laughing all the way to the bank earning k30 million per month. six koloko.
what a shame!!!
The rurals have once more dissapointed us.Thanks, time is the only healer.Come 2011 thats when RB will come with the sugar and the meali meal to feed you.Us in the town I can rest assure you that us here in town We will not suffer the you will do.Remember the old MMD is in power and you know how corrupt they are.Do not regreat but ENJOY……..
God has saved the peaple of Zambia from the vicious jaws of the cobra.Amen
Thank you toothless Cobra for losing.You are now finished, tired,dying and will keep you in the archives.
Viva H H, will keep you on record
The biggest vice that has infested Zambia is the culture of dependency, where a whole village educates one child and when he gets a job in Lusaka they make his/her house a bank and a holiday resort. A paradym shift is what is needed first in the Zambians’ minds especially those in the rural areas who sleep and expect their children in town to send all they need for survival. Rural development should also be encouraged, then may be, may be that can help in waking up our rural folks
independence invitation for next year 24 th october 2009……to be held at the state house …….ALL RURAL DWELLERS ARE INVITED TO ATTEND THIS CELEBRATION,THUMBS WILL BE USED AS INVITATION CARDS AS LONG AS THE WILL BE STAINED WITH THE VOTERS INK .COME COME ONE ONE COME ALL WE WILL SEE IF U WILL BE THERE.KAYA KAYA
IT IS EVENING FALING TO RAIN Y Y Y Y THE WATCH IS BEHIND IT IS RECORDINGC THAT WE ARE IN JUNE.KAYA KU RURAL MAYB IT IS RAING UTUNESU
DO NOT BE FEEBLE MINDED, NOR SHALL YOUR EMOTIONS CLOUD YOUR THINKING OTHERWISE ALL IS LOST.
Neither Uncle Rupiah nor Uncle MCS is your messiah. Get a real education and empower yourselves instead of whingeing. A fish rots from the head down the Japanese say, so a country will take on the characteristics of its leadership. Can someone also clarify why Uncle Rupiah is such a terrible choice for this time in Zambia’s history? Facts please. How did they rig the election? Facts please. You see if Uncle MCS had won it would have been good for me, now that RB has won it is good for me. Wish you could all say the same. Peace
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