We are not against Chinese Investment-Sata
Sata and PF Cadres
Patriotic Front president Michael Sata has re-stated that that his party has never been against the Chinese investment in general.
Mr Michael said his party is only concerned with the conditions of service the Chinese offer to the Zambian workers.
He said that though Chinese investment could be encouraged, the investors from that country should respect Zambian laws.
Mr. Sata says that Zambian workers have continued to be paid low wages at the expense of the so called investment.
Mr. Sata also said in an interview with QFM that government should not be boasting about opening new mines.
He noted that what the government is simply doing is only recycling old mines and not opening news ones.
Mr. Sata further stated that if Luanshya Mine was sold on principle other than through corruption means, it would not have been changing ownership.
He has advised government to engage in proper management skills in the selling mines other than through corrupt means.
QFM
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That is the point most people especially anti-PF have misunderstood you Mr Sata, I guess now they hear you louder
But mr sata sir, you were part of the MMD government who first mishandle the sale of mines…what do you SAY about that?
truly sometimes its very had to comment on mr sata `s behaviour as he seem to be confusing him self by tying to get to plot 1.I hope if he became the president he wont mess up the country,because his utterances are worring for someone who is asparing for the office.
Going by what is going on in Zambia like it or yes Sata might be the next Zambian presidentby 2011, the MMD is doing everything to be voted out no compition no development nothing for the local people. In Kitwe instead of arressting the ones that killed the marketeer they went on and arrested the opposition just adding more fuel to the fire.
Judge a leader on what he is capable of doing for his citizens anyone will trained on foreign policy. If you knew how protective are some countries to its workers you should even commend Mr.Sata on this one. I only felt unhappy the way he became in motion when he was guest on VOA. Otherwise he has the interest of the Zambian people.
the problem with this old man is that he likes commenting on everything even when no comment is needed.
they say ” an empty tin always makes noise”
Abati lekeni ‘Sata’ ateke…
FQM is not a good partner for Zambia.
KAnsanshi mining has a benefit more than 2.5 billion of US $ !!
But.. but FQM accepted that Kansanshi mining give only 3 M $ dividends to ZCCM-IH !!
Why only 3 M$ for 20 % in a mine with benefits more than 2.5 Billion of US $??
FQM prefer to see ZCCM-IH without money…because FQM want more new mines with important stake in it.
giving no dividends to ZCCM-IH, zambia won’t develop mines alone…
FQM is not a good partner for zambia !
During the interview on Voice of American, Sata put it clear and straight that he was against Chinese investment and the conditions of service that the Chinese offer. What is with this U-turn? Make up your mind old man, you cant be conflicting yourself.
Iwe chameleon, not only Chinese investors should uphold zambian law, even other non-chinese investors! I suppose you will also go back on your word in 2006 that you would chase ALL the Chinese investors…. What a liar!
I take what I heard with my own ears on voice of America as his position, he was very loud and clear, this purported u-turn is becoz of trying to get political mileage, ala kwena on that Chines issue you lost a lot of support Mr Sata, hopefully you will manage to **** a few on this u-turn, certainly not me.
Iwe ka Jooste wilabosa ifyo tawishibe..by the way are you a miner?You dont feel the pain we feel..train your mind to desire what the situation demands.
At least Sata has a vision for this country. Better than some individuals spending the country’s little resources on unnecessary travels around the world and day dreaming. Good governance of a country is all about a president having good leadership qualities and putting well qualified/educated and skilled people in right departments and ministries come 2011. In short, Sata stands a very good chance to win. I would advice Sata to take advantage of what is going on in western province and other provinces to explain to the peoples of western province for example, what developmental programmes/projects his government once elected will undertake.
Good afternoon
Exploding the myth surrounding this man! Human beings are very funny creatures –
1. Christ came to save mankind and yet mankind (his own people – the Jews!) betrayed him.
2. Marcus Garvey fought for the Liberation of Black people worldwide and they sold him for rice.
3. Patrice Lumumba, Kwame Nkrumah, Steve Biko…should I continue???
People just ask yourselves why the Chinese don’t like him when he is only after a fair deal for the Zambian people? Is it a crime to seek better conditions for the workers???
That is the best stans I have wanted to hear from SATA. That foreign policy against chinese was not right. Now you have gotten it right. HH should smarted it more. He should put much load regharding chinese investors. This is a valid point for departure to all of us.
Ichalo lifupa,dont think doggish.you ass holes who always applaud yapping politicians are the ones who are pulling this country backwards.it’s right to be against a none performing goverment and right to demand for change.but recycling an old villain and portray him as a saviour is a crime.sata is a nuisance who will plunge this country into chaos which idi ots like you havent forseen.this uncouth man can not lead sober minded people which even the post knows but are supporting him for economic gain and you foolish poor souls are supporting blindly yet you are the fuck ers who will suffer more at his brutality.to hell
What a turn around, so will you stop calling them ‘infestors’ now?
chinese companies in the region including botswana pay very little to there employees .the concerns of sata are genuines and are being systematic ally adressed in countries like botswana.the way the issue of the chinese and sata has been adressed in zambia,one gets the picture that sata is wrong .the biggest challenge in zed is that evrything is seen in a pplitical context .the chinese surely exploits workers in pay not only in zambia but in other parts of africa where they are .the solution however lies in our leadership to adress this and for sata to speak about it should be supported by any concerned zambia.explaining the economic might of china and it world position has nothing to do with the issue of a living wage.
so chinese investment or any investment is welcome in zambia. the kariba power station that got burnt in 2009 ,the source of fire was attributed to fire that came from the contractor who was chinese.
if u look at it simply fire is a safety isue .what was the safety policy of the contractor obvioulsy zero.the chinese will cut all corners to do a jobcfc,as cheaply ,unsafely.we all know that
Sata has always been clear on this issue. his concern is about the workers who earn slave wages. It is like on the ZAMTEL issue. Sata is not against the privatisation of the phone company but the process which is clearly dubious. On the Daily Mail, how on earth can Zambian entrepreneurs fail to run the newspaper company and yet AlaBee wants to offload it to his Kenyan friends. This is what Sata is talking about. Don’t misunderstand the man. And on the issue of him having been part of the govt then, the man was not the president. KaChiluba kale badribbler.
Mr. Sata`s message is very clear and he is very right.
Zambians need to be rational in thinking. What SATA detests which you should as well are the poor conditions of service most common with the Chinese Infestors. Only a **** with out direction can argue on Sata’s stance regarding the Chinese conditions of service. Common, work up and know what you want as a citizen. They say umwana ashenda.
Atleast the old man is consistent in always saying one thing and then another to appease whatever audience is in front of him.
Sata is a comedian. One up, haha.
Shimwalule#23, sata is consistently incosistent.hahahaha
Kwacha you ****, do you know how miners feel.
i think sata makes sense on this one. his points are clear and make sense.he may have had a different approach before but for now he makes sense. changing a point of view is human, without change we will be dead. if sata has a change of direction it is a good thing because if he remains rigid we will end up calling him a bad person who dont listen and never changes.
Ba Kwacha, only a **** can say that. You and others like you are a disease that needs to either be cured or eradicated. President Sata, the only time you have let Zambians down is last year when the election was stolen from you. That should never happen again and we make sure it won’t next time.
On Nationalization of dubiously sold companies, any true Zambian is behind you. I’m glad that all those Brainless ***** have acknowledged that your govt. comes into office next year. Run, run Shekapwasha, Bwazani, Fake Investors, run, run………………….
Every investment is good, especially the blend of foreign and local investment can help Zambians so much. Let us not depend only on the foreign investment people. Let all Investors respect Zambians by giving them reasonable wages not the wages chinese guys give to zambian miners. Sata’s masseges are always misinterprested however reasonable they are…..sometimes let us pick one or two things from what is says.
May the Lord God bless Zambia.
Sata is very funny he cracks me up. what comedy he is!!!!!!!!!!! constant contradiction, party to corruption and violence not only in MMD but in UNIP as well. And this is the man that should lead our nation for the next 10 or more years (considering that he was a staunch supporter of the 3rd term bid).
once again, i’ll say Mr Sata, in battle, you are a good general to have. But a commander in chief, you will never be.
oh by the way, what “democratic” leader forms a political party and hasnt been to a convention in 9 years?? Mr Sata you truly are a shining example of “democracy”!!!!! what a joke!!
By the end of this year he will be saying he supports the privatisation of ZANACO and Zamtel.
SATA is truely a cobra.. we are educated people we all listerned to tha VOA radio program.sata thinks he and other few people are educated like it was in 1964..nikssss.now he wants to change his words aaaaaa..please give zambians a break ..we have achiev files ..sata is againest chiness and other inverstors..
SATA is truely a cobra.. we are educated people we all listerned to tha VOA radio program.sata thinks he and other few people are educated like it was in 1964..nikssss.now he wants to change his words aaaaaa..please give zambians a break ..we have achiev files ..sata is againest chiness and other inverstors..100%
Just shutup Satana,you are the most corrupt person in Zambia ,your problem is that because of your corrupt means you always think of others as been the same as you or worse.Tell me Lenshina What did you do with Medical Stores.You appointed your young brother as director to run it down and you opened a chemist next to the morgue at UTH.Thank God you are not and you will never be president of Zambia the country will be worse than Rwanda.
Sata only ***** his followers that have no heads to analyze his nonsense. This old man is a nuisance.
Only those with short memories would say he means what he is saying. Clearly his supporters like the post who have some bit of brains to analyze political moods have advised him to U-turn on his stance on the Chinese. This man is crap and embarrassment. He doesn’t even have remorse for his sins. Time has come for this minion to retire from active politics. This will atleast allow him to die with some bit of dignity.
#20: Well, I don’t think Sata understands himself either! He likes to be “man of the moment” too much. I am not sure if the problem is his limited education, but the man can not express himself clearly enough to avoid the concerns people have about him—-LOUD MOUTHED HEPOCRITY. In politics, WORDS and the way you say things (LANGUAGE) matter!! In my view, the biggest enemy to Sata’s political aspirations is Sata himself. Learn to be DEPLOMATIC.
Yes, his concerns about Chines and other investments in Zambia may be legitimate and shared by many Zambians, but the way he comes across when talking about these issues is, quite frankly, beneath someone aspiring to be President of Zambia. You can not insult and verify people and then claim you are being misunderstood. Are you kidding me!
Bayambayamba, Sata is far much better than you even if you have degrees bacause you can’t even have the knowledge or capacity to come up with ideas and atticulate them into plans and implement them. It is easy for you to speak out without prove. Maybe you have been to Zambia 20years ago. Go CB and witness the kind of conditions of work and services? To make the matter even worse the govt doesn’t say anything against these cruel people instead the govt give orders to the police to brutalise its own citizens .
pafwenamwine:
I may not have ideas or what not, but neither am I running for president. And please tell me in my posting where I claim to be better than anybody!? You don’t need a college degree to know that Sata is a political chameleon and a very slick politician capable of hoodwinking even the likes of you, pafwenamwine. My concerns and feelings about Investors (Chinese in particular) in Zambia are well developed and articulated if at all you have followed, for any length of time, my contributions to this topic every time it has come up on this blog . By the way, I have been back home several times.
Continued from #39
And for your own information, I have relatives who have worked in the mines their entire lives. Some of them are retired now and others still live in the copperbelt and still toiling in the mines. And this coming summer I will be in Ndola visiting my brother again. But that’s not the issue here! The issue is Sata’s HOLIER THAN THOU sort of attitude he tends to project to the gullible, such as yourself, when we all know this man’s autocratic tendencies in his ‘not so long ago past.’
Continued from #40
How long Sata has been in govt? It in UNIP or MMD? And this is when he realizes the sins of govt which he has been part of almost his entire political career? Isn’t this POLITICAL EXPEDIENCE at it’s best? True, he may have ideas but his ideas sure don’t impress me! If you think you have “a Savior or a Saint” in Sata, well that’s your prerogative to believe his c.r.a.p, sir!! Have a good day!!
Mr Sata`s time is up. He is now exposing his ignorance. Is it the investor who should enact the Labours laws or it`s the govt of Zambia? Mr Sata, does not understand even the legal framework of the country he wants to rule. He should first appreciate economics and gain a bit understanding on the role of govt in trade and commerce.
His time is long gone. I don`t think he has good advisors otherwise he wouldn`t be wasting his retirement package on politics. He can do well as a party chairman and not a Republican president. Let that young HH lead the pact, and him Mr Sata should just act as a pact mobilizer.
I would advise that you refer to those companies by their names and not generalising as “Chinese investors.” China is a country that we cannot afford to damage relations with. When the rest of the world is looking at china as the major player in world economy we should not be seen to be going the oposite direction. Don’t expect huge salaries before you make huge profits. See what has been invested and what is coming out before your cry for huge salaries. For now our people must understand that half a loaf of bread is better than none. Chase those investors and we shall remain with our closed mines and not even half a loaf of bread. Lets develop together. It will take patience and hard work
Can bwana Satana tell us how much he pays his garden boy?Furthermore can Bwana Satana publish the salaries and conditions of servive the bus drivers and conductors working for ,GBM,Willie Nsanda,those boys employed by kambwili and the rest earn and if they even have any conditions of service to talk about.This criminal jealous you have won’t take you any where.Liar.Corrupt chap
Bayambayamba, as evidence compels me to believe, it is not about what Sata said but your motives are clear, you just want to character assassinate Sata. 98% of the current seasoned politicians in Zambia have been in UNIP, MMD and other political parties. To say the least, no one is saying the Chinese investment is bad but their conditions of services and pay are left to be admired. Any decent person can give credit where it is due. We all know no country can survive without dealing with others but laws of the hosting country must be obeyed. # 44 YAYA, kindly spare us with real and well sounded based knowledge of employing someone to work for you and a company registered under the labour laws of Zambia. There are differences conditions ans services for self and company employing.
Waloba ilyalma kashitata ka Sata, shame on you,
Sata, is the one panicking as now he sees HH is a big rival. Now Sata has to tell what other things he did not mean to say, as right now we are seeing him changing colors….
Chines investment is evryones benefit, include thos being lowly paid, imagine the chines did not invest, who could have rescuede our jobless fathers and mother, always think twice.
Yaba, although i support bayama ba Sata, on the Chinese issue ha is just politicking. I can’t believe a single work form him. Chinaman is the same every where just like any investor, exploitative. We just need to be smart as a nation.
Sata is like a homo who denies sleeping with men yet he does it in the dark,,,Sata know zambia has no second option but he wants to make Ex miners vote for him by saying what hes saying,,,, i can tell you now sata will mantain those chinese if hes made president. Remember Sata is apart of the minnig propblem, him and FTJ started this problem
The man keep on changing goal posts. What’s going on with PF?
You devil ,you’ll die telling lies,when are going for review for your sick heart?Where you not told that you must change your life style that includes to stop telling lies .Am not sure where you’ll go for review because you have annoyed South Africans by demeaning Oliver Tambo and you hate Indians am not sure if your heart will keep on pumping till you reach your favourite bwanas England am very worried for your health because of your carelessness and you blame on it on the chinese.What type of a person are you.
this man can zambia work harder…and cut all bu*lsh*t..our lazy azz*s wouldnt keep up with him…
I thought the man had stopped politics. This man should not pretend as if he had never worked in MMD nor UNIP. If anything, he contributed to the downfall of Zambia and we should not entertain his blank cheques. What new things is he going to bring to Zambians that he had failed to bring when he was in UNIT and MMD. Zambians should not forget the Pangas that were blandished in Mandevu in the late 90s. Our memories are still fresh and he should not blind old women with golden promises. Twalimishiba ba Sata
As some people have said on this thread, Sata’s contradictions may **** many, but not me. One minute he’s saying he’ll drop Chiluba’s cases once in power, the next minute he’s proposing Chiluba’s prosecution. One minute he’s anti-Chinese on an international forum, barely a month later, he’s pro-Chinese investment… all in the name of appeasing the masses. If this is not the true definition of a snake without direction and resolve, then I don’t know what is. Keep fooling them Sata. That’s what they like…. the 90 day miracle maker!
Sata is the new Tank Man.
Clue “tank man” = “Tienanmen square”
changing goal posts..2011 is so near..hehehehee..
Today Chinese have become good investors for Sata except labour laws, Yesterday Chinese were to be chassed out from Zambia if he were to be the president. What a Leader! no future Vision, lack of analysis. This man if let to be the president, he will mess up more than RB.
By the way this old man ,Sata had wanted to cut ties with china and go for taiwan. I wonder whether he has payed back the $50 pin he borrowed fro taiwan sometime back.
#16 ‘Akapondo’ – Surely, this not how an educated person writes, shows how shallow your thinking capacity is! I do not think you have any substance upstairs. No need to say all that rubbish.In future, I would urge you to contribute something meaningful to this thread. It’s not my fault if you ran into a rut. Be smart pal!
#16 Akapondo, You have made my day!! You are one patriotic Zambian and iam for every word on your 16th post. I don’t what kind of educated people we have on here. There is no way a well meaning individual with a sober mind can support this minion of the devil above. This moron will bring severe damage to the reputation of our country and inexplicable misery to the already miserable masses.
He utters anything that he small brains thinks abt and his minion dance in chorus without taking a minute to analyze his utterances. Shame on the post hypocrites who trying to present a goat as sheep even if its sound is loud and clear to those with functioning ears and brains. Time for the corporate world to come up with a paper that will compete with the post. Clearly the post has become a nuisance.
Please all you saved people pray for zambia stop fighting with words.
ITS ONLY SATA WHO HAS THE INTEREST OF ZAMBIAN PEOPLE AND IT SHOWS. IF YOU WANT TO MISUNDERSTAND HIM FOR THE SAKE OF BOOTLICKING, WELL CONSIDER YOURSELF ZAMBIA’S ENEMY.
interesting reading .if sata was that dismissable.most of u would not be writting.no one is writting about godfrey miyanda.the reasons are obvious and personal.you are scared.very scared.but change is always scary .so dont worry somethig will come up for you .for now accept that MMD has failed .if MMD had not the failed the people ,sata would not even be in the picture.and you would be happier.the beauty of our constitution is in the democratic choice of our govt.and time is the referee.we shall shall soon be chosing ,who knows we might chose u again,though i doubt
You don’t need to be that smart to know Sata like many politicians will do anything to get into power. Don’t be so naive bene zambia – Sata doesn’t mean well.
Mr Michael said his party is only concerned with the conditions of service the Chinese offer to the Zambian workers. Who is Mr Michael?
It’s good that the PF UNPD pact has changed its stance over Chinese Investments. But this abrupt change of mind is really suspicious and I wonder his advisors know that Mr Sata is making a **** of himself. One just has to read past editions of newspapers to see how Mr Sata and his cadres have unleashed senseless poison on any Chinese Investments since 2006 to yesterday morning. China has now overtaken Germany as the largest exporter and will soon replace Japan as the second largest economy. Mr Sata thought China was a small country they could mess around with. A poor country like Zambia attacking China is really attacking the life line of our working class.
#45, pafwenamwine:
I don’t have to character assassinate Sata, he is doing a good job of that himself. Sure, 98% of the current crop of politicians may have been UNIP or MMD members, but probably by the same amount, none of them think that foreign Investors are “Chinese Infesters” nor do they think Zambia can survive by re-nationalising industries that have been on “life support” since GRZ took over.
You, Sata, myself, and many others do agree that the conditions of service under which Zambian workers toil is unacceptable. But you can’t tell me these poor working conditions just pop up all of a sudden! Because that would be a big lie. That’s why I said Sata has been in politics/govt long enough for him to have noticed these “sins” long before now. Campaign gimmicks,…
cont. from 67
….should have a limit. Not everybody have “selective amnesia” about the recent history concerning Sata. He will do well to constructively engage Foreign Investors than heaping insults (infesters) on them and expect no response in kind. God forbid, tomorrow he may become the president of Zambia and, trust me on this, he is going to need these same “Infesters” cooperation and support if he has any drop of “economics 101″ in his veins. And for people like you, pafwenamwine, to be blind to these facts is disturbing in itself.
sata is showing the young people how political prostution is..i can adivice sata to say one thing..and be on one side..he has nothing to say ..having problems with everyone chiefs ,chiness,GRZ and everyone at large..sata even says mugabe is a best african president
The politics of populist appeasement that Mr Sata propagates are not good for Zambia. This man will say anything to appease the masses so that he can win their vote. A true leader would start by condemning the Zambian investment and labour laws which make it easy for chinese and other foreigners to exploit zambian workers. Sata was in both UNIP and MMD govts, what did he do to change these laws. To his blind supporters I say charity begins at home. How many of you pay your maids and houseboys a decent salary? Or is expoitation only a crime when it is committed by chinese investors? You expoit your fellow zambians and yet you can without shame condemn foreigners when they do it to? Shame on you! Plus zambians also live in other countries doing tamanga business, why shouldnt the chinese?
icintu cintu tumwene lekeni Sata ateke
insansa kuncinjana bane
He can not be President, unless Zambians are blind and deaf. Not Sata.
LONERO SAYS, WABA ITOLE NGELYAM MBUSHI. SATA AKATEKA
Ubuchushi nga bwa kokola, bula belela!!!
Honestly, someone speaks for the plight of our poor fellow Zambiana employed by these dubious investers, ati “boyo”! What kind of people are we. Invester occupying tu ntemba we should be left to the Zambians ati invester??? Ask the miners about the conditions of service they are offered by most Chinese investers.
Investment, no problem but not eating “masuku” over the heads of our fellow country-men.
Imagine, Sata gets robbed of an election and guess who celebrated the most? So called investers and foreigners…. kabili this is their play ground! Surely, doesn’t that tell you something? Yabaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
#51 YAYA, lie down before you hurt yourself!!!
MMD cadres of gone out of their way-where on earth could you go on public announcing to gang-rape a woman?-This barbaric behaviour should be brought to an end not sooner than later.Also it is unheard for the cadres to grap a gun from duty police officer.This is unexceptable, certainly it is total anarch.The culprits should be caged.
MMD cadres of gone out of their way-where on earth could you go on public announcing to gang-rape a woman?-This barbaric behaviour should be brought to an end not sooner than later.Also it is unheard for the cadres to grap a gun from duty police officer.This is unexceptable, certainly it is total anarch.The culprits should be caged.