Executive Director for Change or Die Zambia, Father Frank Bwalya has pleaded not guilty to the charge of conduct likely to cause breach of peace and has since been granted bail.
Father Bwalya, 41, of 4843 Alma lick street, Riverside in Kitwe appeared today before Chief Principal Resident magistrate Mercy Makubelo.
The Priest who was clad in a red t-shirt and red bottom truck suite was represented by three defense councils, Richard Mandona, Leonard Kasuba and Terence Mwape Chabu while the state was represented by Martin Shula.
In granting bail Magistrate Mukubelo told the accused not to interfere with witnesses in the case and also told the defense to tell Fr Bwalya’s sympathisers to reduce noise during court proceedings.
She warned that the court may sign an order to re-arrest the accused if the supporters continued making noise at the court.
The court granted Fr Bwalya bail of K100, 000 on his own reconnaissance and with two working sureties.
The State earlier made no objection in Fr Bwalya being given bail but urged the court to caution him against interfering with witnesses and that he should not move out of Kitwe.
The State also feared that the accused may continue with his activities while on bail if the bail was granted without caution.
Facts of the offence are that Fr Bwalya on March 12, publicly conducted himself in a manner that was likely to cause breach of peace at city square in Kitwe contrary to section 1789 (f) of the penal code chapter 87 of the laws of Zambia.
But defense lawyers asked the court to squash the charge against Fr Bwalya urging that it lacked sufficient particulars of where the offence took place and was not specific with what manner constituted the conduct of a person likely to cause breach of peace.
The State however said the particulars were adequate and there was no need to amend the charge before the court.
Magistrate Makubelo said she agreed with the defense to have the charge amended and include at ‘city square’ as the particular place where the offence occurred.
Earlier the charge read that Fr Bwalya was charged with conduct likely to cause breach of peace in Kitwe on March 12 contrary to section 178 of the penal code chapter 87 of the laws of Zambia.
Magistrate Makubelo set March 31 as trial date.
Among the sympathizers’ who attended the court session were former Minister of defense George Mpombo, Roan Member of Parliament Chishimba Kambwili and his Nkana constituency counterparty Mwenya Musenge.
Fr Bwalya was arrested last Friday by police in Kitwe for allegedly distributing red cards during the youth day celebrations at city square in Kitwe.
ZANIS
K100,000????? 8->Anyways Good that he is out!!!
zed iz zed these are no surprizes….:-?
Breach of PEACE
using abusive or obscene language in a public place, resisting a lawful arrest, and trespassing or damaging property when accompanied by violence. definition from chapter 87 of the laws of Zambia
Im not a lawyer,but distributing red cards to the public does not fall under chapter 87 of the penal code on which the father has been charged and arrested for.
this is going to be fun,another comedy of errors
petty laws in Zambia, RB is too dictoria, his dictoctorship directions to arrest his opponents is uncalled for.Every Zambian has constitutional rights to belong to any grouping and enjoy the rights of affiliation, Leave FR Bwalya alone, abash to intimidation and dictorship,shame RB.>:/[-x[-x[-x[-x[-x[-x:-t:-t
Who remembers the political purges of Russia and Germany?
#5 Smoothcriminal,
Right on. Can Veteran and Senior Citizen now prove that Father Bwalya committed any offense under Cap 87?
I just hope all will eventually go on well with umupatili uyu.:-?
Our current govt has lost it…RB is making decisions using his legs instead of brain. Honestly what’s wrong in giving a Red Card if you know that pipo have confidence in you. This shows that our govt knows that their days are numbered and that pipo are tired of KALULU stories.Stop abusing innocent citizens for the sake of scaring us so that we should not express our grievances.
It seems the state never learnt anything from the Kabwela story. Prosecuting someone without evidence just wastes tx payer’s money. The courts are full of real cases and the Govt just keeps crowding them with un winnable cases.
fr frank is ready nthin dat rb wl throw on him.he said it change or die dis means alot.
Let that cadre alone so that his case dwindles till it ends.
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Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the knigdom of God and His righteousness and all these things shall be added unto you.
ANOTHER COMEDY OF ERRORS, SURELY THESE CHARACTERS NEVER LEARN. TIME IS SLOWLY CATCHING UP WITH THEIR MIS DEEDS.
if Fr Bwalya was an honest man and he was fighting a noble cause why cheat that he was trying to get a lift from a friend, why dint he stand by his principle or just be honest enough tell the truth about what he is fighting for since he is a man of GOD. Alot of people seem to be too naive about Fr Bwalyas main ambition and he seems to be using the catholic church for his personal agenda. He will soon realize that GOD is the lord who brings justice to all, you shall not use GODs NAME in vain. I hope father Bwalya will also help those hopeless 24 men who have been arrested for paticipating in things they dont understand, (LET THE ALMIGHT GOD PREVAIL OVER ZAMBIA).
“Father, I called a man a son-of-a-bitch yesterday.”
“Why did you call him a son-of-a-bitch??” the priest asked.
“Because, father, he touched me on my arm without permission”
“Do you mean like this??” He touches her arm.
“Yes father.”
“That’s no reason for calling him a son-of-a-bitch.”
“But father he also touched my breasts.”
“You mean like this??” He touches her breasts.
“Yes father.”
“That’s no reason to call him a son-of-a-bitch.”
“But father, he took off my clothes.”
“Like this??” He takes off her clothes.
“Yes father.”
“That’s no reason to call him a son-of-a-bitch.”
“But father he then put his you-know-what in my you-know-where.”
“Like this??” He put his you-know-what in her you-know-where.
“Yes father,” she says sometime later, after catching her breath.
“But that’s no reason to call him a son-of-a-bitch.”
“But father, he has AIDS.”
“THAT SON-OF-A-BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!”
A man of God …. Never its works of satana ………..malabishi
I believe in justice, let Mr Bwalya have his day in court. Whatever the outcome, we must respect it. I don’t approve all of RB’s doing but I equally disapprove of Frank Bwalya’s approach. We have a legitimate government which should be removed legitimately. As Zambians we kicked out UNIP without profit seeking NGOs. We can do it again. I don’t agree with those who say Zambians are docile and hence the need for the likes of Frank Bwalya.
Let Frank get back to his calling and not clad himself in a red t-shirt and red bottom truck suit like some kind of clown! Nevers Mumba left the pulpit for politics and see where it has ended! Just think of Dan Pule…Frank will be no different.
I end with Maestro’s favourite verse…Matt 6:33 But seek ye first the knigdom of God and His…
I believe in justice, let Mr Bwalya have his day in court. Whatever the outcome, we must respect it. I don’t approve all of RB’s doing but I equally disapprove of Frank Bwalya’s approach. We have a legitimate government which should be removed legitimately. As Zambians we kicked out UNIP without profit seeking NGOs. We can do it again. I don’t agree with those who say Zambians are docile and hence the need for the likes of Frank Bwalya.
Let Frank get back to his calling and not clad himself in a red t-shirt and red bottom truck suit like some kind of clown! Nevers Mumba left the pulpit for politics and see where it has ended! Just think of Dan Pule…Frank will be no different.
I end with Maestro’s favourite verse…Matt 6:33
# 13 why are disputing what Fr Bwalya is saying? he said he was getting a lift and thats that. Was he found with red cards on him at the time? NO. so he is basically narrating what happened when he was arrested.and that is he was getting a lift. If he distributed cards at some point that is another matter and the police should have arrested him then and not wait for later. Secondly you need to question the state also why take a person to remand prison without charging him first? Did the state follow procedure during the arrest? NO. so try and analyse the situation fairly before you judge
#13 Jackson Kamungu
Enlighten me here,is there anywhere were fr bwalya has changed his statement to warrant him being a cheat? thats the statement he gave in his interview to the press and the police i presume,unless he has said something else from what he said earlier,then we can say he is cheating,but so far he maintianed the same statement.Do not Judge lest ye be Judged
He has so far stood by his principle of fighting for the voicelss vulnerable people,ie,Dora Siliya case,Kafupi’s case,sale of zamtel,misaplication of funds in embassies,floods,unemployment and all the evils you can think of,again unless you have information that he has shifted his stance on these issues,then we can say he is not standing on his principles
Change or Die Zambia! I think that for now there is no need in Zambia for anyone to die for political reasons.Time to die for politics in Zambia ended at independence.And therefore anyone advocating change by violent means is not only stupid,but must be very sick in the head. Walya’s call that people must be ready to die if Zambia does not change its leadership sounds very destructive and if Zambians are not careful with this young man we shall plunge this country into chaos and we shall live to regret this.Walya is obsessed with funny dreams to rule Zambia at all costs in the hope to redeem his poor family from dire poverty.He must be remindend that leadership is ordained by God.Leadership that does not come from God comes with a lot of blood.Look at the events that followed Chiluba’s…
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Yah!Yah, Na bakonda baku copperbelt. Go Fr Bwalya Go! hard men wear RED when things are wrong. Tulekeleni infumu ya bantu!!
ViVa Copperbelt,viva Fr Bwaya.
Zambians wake up.In Thailand they are marching in their thousands against non performing leaders. We need to react to things that are not going well.United we stand divided we fail. Enough is enough. Ala 2011 ni go mwefumu go! Mwebapatili twamilomba tutuleni twanaka!!
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#13, Jackson Kamungu, as a seasoned trade union leader with massive experience in speaking for the voiceless, I don’t expect you to come out the way you have. I mean, I don’t see anything wrong in Fr Frank Bwalya personally. I don’t any charges standing against Father Bwalya. Just the whole episode on him by the Police is out of context and embarrassing to say the least.
G 20, do you know that Fr walya has constructed houses? Do you know that he has expanded his mother’s house? And do you know that the construction of a church in Ipusukilo where he was priest and presided over has stalled? Where did he get the money from? and why has the construction of the church stoped? I doubt very much the genuineness of this young man so called father.
Josef P, you are in Zambia and therefore we believe you should be more informed. The organisation Fr Bwalya belongs to is Change or Die Zambia. No where does it say die for politcal reasons. neither does it say change by violent means. You are the people misleading the nation on something straight forward. The organisation simply seeks for Zambians to change the attitude, their approach to life, their laisse faire behaviour, or else they will die. So many Zambians have died unnecessarily because we have sat down and just watched. We need a pro active approach to happenings in our country. Zambia is for everyone and not a few people. We only have 1 Zambia if needs be we should die for it
# 26 is that a compliment or a complaint? I think every child should build his parents a house. About the Church construction you cant blame The priest he is not the one financing the building. He is just a worker. You should be channeling your concern to the Diocese in Ndola to the arch Bishop. The diocese controls the funds and not The Church priest. Learn some more my brother, dont shoot from the Hip
#6 Max Why should the Veteran or The Senior Citizen comment on the case before the Court of Law? Its now up to the Court to decide as to whether This ***** called Father Bwalwa has a case or not.
At the city Square where he was found distributing Red Cards, what was the nature of the function? Was it his meeting or what? All I know this was the venue for Youth Day cerebrations for all youths from different backgrounds, why was he then distributing Red cards at this Venue? Isn t this provacation which can lead to breach of peace? He has in the past called for meetings where he has addressed people and done whatever he wanted without the police having to arrest him.Why didn t he do the same this time around? The Catholics should watch what their leaders are doing, this is inviting trouble!!
Josef P @ 21
CHANGE or DIE Zambia— i knew some people would take this literally as meaning to shed blood and die for zambia,you should have taken sometime to read more abt this organization.From what fr bwalya said during the launch was that its in our hands to Change the leadership or DIE as poor as were are,he didnt mean that people should go round hacking each other just for change
If we dont change,people will continue dying due to floods,cholera,mothers giving birth at bus stops,corruption,unemployment,he didnt mean we go on a rampage and slaughter each other
# 29, why didnt the police arrest him on that venue and on that particular day? why wait for another day?
Youth day is for anyone who considers themselves to be a youth,it doesnt say specifically who should attend and who shouldnt,in Zambia anyone between the ages of 15 to 35 is considered a youth,its called freedom of association,more over,he is a youth so he can do what any normal youth can do,,,even construct houses and expand his parents’s hse
secondly the construction of a church in Ipusukilo would obviously stall because he is on Sabatical leave,so the Diocese would have to appoint someone to take over from where Bwalya left off
Who’s fault :-w
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Bemba Tricks Again! A bunch of Bemba’s Simon Kabanda, Frank Bwalya, Mubanga Mucheleka, Tresfore Mpundu, Chishimba Kambwili, Gerry Chanda. Father Mwewa. Wats the problem wit u PF supporters. Go back to Northern Province. Bunch of thieves. *****s
Bemba Tricks Again continua: Take a look at FAZ,Kasengele, Munaile, Danny Pule. Its all confusion. Bemba + Power = Confusion
# 21 you need to wake up and smell the coffee,we need people like fr bwalya in zambia and not people like you who only think about yourself .These are people who are bold,courageous and are ready to sacrifice their lives for the betterment of our children’s future.These are the sort of people we’ve lacked in zambia for sometime.And mind you zambia is a democratic nation,look at people in thailand they are sleeping at the front gates of the state house(whatever its called)which is surrounded by the army,police etc.demanding for the president to call fresh elections. Now if cowards like you can deem fr bwalya dangerous for distributing simple cards what would you make of a situation where people paraded themselves in front of our state house expressing their dissatisfaction??
#28 good point,it is our duty to take care of our parents.Lets stick to the issue at hand bane.#26 im also planing to expand my mother’s house,then join Frank Bwalya distributing red cards,if i will be arrested,are you going to bring my love for my mother into red card issue?
William Banda, Rupiah Banda, Frederick Chiluba, wats the problem with MMD supporters, you mean you dont have Zambians within your ranks to rule you. you only have foreigners to run your party. # 33 may be you have an answer for us
mmm now he is wearing a red “truck suite”! I love these illiterate mistakes from ZANIS
# 38 also check this out, he is being represented by 3 defense councils. The English is unbelievable
Why and for how long are Zambian going to allow one chap destroy the nation? This is bullshit. If Zambians don’t act ASAP, that ugly and deformed chap will ruin our nation. I wonder how normal human beings can even support this fool. Policemen in Zambia seem to have nothing important to do than arrest innocent people. How can they even be proud of wearing their torn uniforms. What we should know as Zambian people is that the longer this deadhearted man with no vision, no leadership qualities, but a brutal dictator is in power the more destruction is causing to our nation. What a president!!! Let him go back to Zimbabwe. He has no notion of doing something good for Zambia. Let’s face it.
AEIOU@ 27.I suspect that you are educated that you are in S Africa.If you are educated the you surprise me with your understanding of literature.Words can some times be dangerous thus careful use of these words is extremely important because people interpret them very differently…die…how can a person die?…Do prayers kill?…why didn’t Walya say change or Pray for zambia?…About building houses…again you could not see what I mean…..and this prostitute missed my point….Its not the care,which matters here.its the source of his money.
TMP you must be bemba.
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# 33MASEBO- Your comments are misplaced for a person who has gone to school and I guess at least College level. If you think we Bemba speakers are what you said*******and you use that kind of language, then you are not better than us infact worse than us. Remember 2 wrongs dont make a right. Iam proud to be Bemba and that my fore fathers contributed to the the development of Copperbelt. While your tribe prefred to work as Garden or House boys, my grand father was brave enough to work underground and therefore made CB what its to day. Luapula or Northern Provinces are not part of me.If you not happy with Bembas then do not look at them.
# 41 there is no need for profane language, we are all expressing our views here. Words are only dangerous to the person interpreting them. A person can die from negligence as has been caused by floods. If the Govt had done something about it earlier, no one would have died. It is this lay back approach of waiting for someone to act that Fr Bwalya is saying CHANGE OR DIE. I challenge you to show me where at any point he has said or implied that change the Govt by violent means. No Govt is permanent so if the existing one is failing, citizens have to call for change. Those are basic human rights
Masebo you are such a tibalist. Why should you make such tribal remarks about the Bemba. Why didn’t you also mention G. Mpombo since he was also present. Am sure you are from one of those tribes that have a sick hatred for other tirbes. But I thought that was more with uneducated old folks not literates like yourself. Move on my brother or sister get civilised get liberated from those bondages. We are past that, I mean we have remarried and remarried, we have relatives in other tribes etc. In other words we are all ZAmbians we are one
I am sorry ,Maria k.Honestry I love you. I hope that you are sweet looking maria.But look red might signify blood.And do not join Walya .He was in prison for some days ka!…..we all crave to do good for our parents,but the question is…..is the source of the money we wish to do good to our parents from praise worth source or culpable source?
Masebo you are mad. I hate your ranting and your going on about Bemba. So what if TMP is Bemba. Is it a crime to be Bemba or any tribe in Zambia. Don’t be tribal just look at issues, analyse them and comment on them etc. Be intelligent, its not about a tribe here its about the situation in our Country e.g RB is corrupt for cases such as 1) Tandiwe was salary for many months after she had stopped teaching and they knew it 2) the RP Capital saga was corrupt 3. Dora saga and appointing her to ministerial position in hrs of her acquital 5. Chief Justice serving after his contract was expired 6 The selling of Zamtel and justfying with ‘Mwanawasa sold ZANACO so I can also sell Zamtel”, the numerous traves at our expence, the list is very long. So Masebo wake up
# 46 you seem like a man with dignity, your ability to apologise does make you a real man. If you have evidence that Fr Bwalya misappropriated church funds you can go to the diocese or even the police. Other wise you are just speculating about the source of his money thereby exhibiting your dislike for the man. If you dont like him just say it and not come up with excuses to justify your belief
#25 SIBWENI
I hope you have been following the events of fr Bwalya, I do not want to be biast in my comments but give advice that is beneficial to all Zambians including me and my family. I listened to ZNBC news and radio icengelo over this particular matter, i took it as gospel truth, what was said by these media organisations. If the truth is that Fr Bwalya was arrested, while he was asking for a lift from a friend, then the law enforcement officers must be taken to task, We must be free Zambians who should enjoy our liberties, but enjoy the freedom with respect for other citizens. We not also allow our emotions override our realistic reasoning. Let us not be prejudicial, but allow ourselves to have an independent mind.let us not use hate to judge someone.love one another as GOD comman
Is this MMD cadre called Maestro normal?
masebo u are very foolish i think yo is tribe is useless that why cant think!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
masebo change 4 the better u son of …….. get a life.
Priests like Nuns swear oath of poverty.If what Josef P is indeed true then Fr Bwalya should be questioned and investigated for breaching the aoth.It happened during LPM when he appointed a Sister(forget her name) as a PermSec (Gender In Developmen at Cabinet office) and later on she bought a house in Woodlands.Her bosses at the Secretariat did waste time reminindin her of the oath and even threatend to ex-communicate her untill she sought intervention from the Vatican>So Josef P,please spill the beans if at all you have proof.You are welcome.Iam catholic and I hate hypocrites.
I think Frank is embarassing us (catholics). We need him to be sober and angaging as opposed to the kind of things he is getting involved in. There are other critical voices in the land that have behaved themselves well and conducting their activities well, and govt has not taken them to court. He must introspect and change ways. For now he should reflect on his activities.
#53
Should: her bosses did not waste time reminding her of the oath
can someone please tell me where it says if you are a priest then your parents are supposed to be living in the mazyopa type of arrangement. my cousin is a priest and he has built a very nice house for my aunt in the village so are you also going to question where he got the money from. please get real. about Bembas, this just shows how clever, realistic and analytical we are about developmental issues. y is it that bembas are always a threat?
People can we wake up and smell the coffee! What we read in the Zambian papers and perhaps see on the news if its reported is symptomatic of a various serious problem within out country’s political system. Lets not be distracted by what is really happening – Rupiah Banda is a Tyrant who, given a chance, will intitutionalise dictatorship and political patronage and therefore take us to the Last of KK’s republics. He will stop at nothing to retain power and the sooner we realise this and do something about it through the ballot the better. He is using state machinery ( Police, Justice Ministry and the Courts) to do this and he does it with impunity. I really fear for our country…. When you attack a wild dog, you need to leave it room to run away otherwise it will attack you.
Good Afternoon
It is not surprising to see how quickly the tension is rising in this matter. Depending on how the judges handle it, it could even get worse. What’s most disturbing are the tribal comments on here, they simply put me off. I won’t mention any names. Who the cap fits, let them wear it.
Come on masebo #33,34 lets not get tribal here we all zambians unless otherwise.stop attacking bembas its not their fault that they are all up in your face or you hear so much about them trying to do this and that,maybe they are just too sensitive to negative things that happen around you, and they want to take it upon themselves to change things for you because you are so comfortable about everything around you.Its not your fault either maybe you are still sleeping,day dreaming whatever Man. But you will wake up one day and realize that bembas are not stupid but your fellow brothers out there serving your interests and fighting for a better future for your children…
# 54, i strongly doubt if you are Catholic, if you are then you have little recollection of how the Church was persecuted by UNIP. How Fr Umberto was terrorised by Alexander Kamalondo. That was the turning point to today’s politcal landscape. The Catholic Church stood out inthe crowd. The church stood up for the people. Catholic church is a practical church, it does not believe in watching things go bad and hide in the bible. Thats why the church has built Schools , clinics, places of safety, old age homes and it has stood up against injustice in any form
Fr Bwalya’s NGO is called Change Life Zambia not Change or Die Zambia. Get it. It’s Change Life Zambia. Look in the story and you will see it’s Change Life Zambia not what you are portending. Don’t colour your submissions with ill-conceived emotions. Fr Bwalya has done nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong. What he is doing, in political science is called “civil disobedience”, which also happens in homes when children boycott even food because they are aggrived.
#60 I agree with your good words about our church. By the way I was in the seminary for long time. My carreer history can not be complete without mentioning the church. I am still very strong in the church and SCC. However, a wrong is a wrong. As a catholic I have an obligation to call for normalcy if I see that a priest is going wrong. The Church is bigger than any single clergyman including Fr (may be emeritus) Frank, as you in our church we believe that God is not a ‘respector of person’. Regardless of your status in society you are equal before God, and should you make a mistake you will be corrected. Its good to encourage justice and speak against evils, but you spoil it by using unorthodox means. So I still stand by my advice, he should slow down and introspect. No nd 4…
Breach of peace, my @$$. The police are the ones that should be arrested for conduct likely ….
WE SEEM TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT WHICH LACKS AN AGENDA.IT IS SAD A GOVERNMENT WORTH ITS SALT CAN WASTE TAX PAYERS MONEY TO FIGHT AN INNOCENT PRIEST.THEY MAY THINK THEY ARE FIGHTING HIM YET THEY ARE CREATING A SEARIOUS PLATFORM FOR HIM.MIND YOU THE ISSUES HE IS RAISING ARE AFFECTING EVERYONE.
VIVA FATHER BWALYA ABASH INTIMIDATION
ALUTA CONTINUA
Leave Masebo alone. Bemba chaps always want to attack without thinking and when hit hard they cry foul…bakolwe proper! But the game is a bit tougher. They are falling one by one, zambia airways, next finance Bank, with their sponsors . .ilko bad!
It sickening to hear bloggers discuss tribes here. It i from such desussions that hate emanate. Masebo please you must be adult enough to contribt meaningfully to issues affecting our country Zambia, you included. You seem to have a deep and passionate hate for the Bembas. To be very honest with you. “WE ARE HERE TO STAY” if we are a threat to your security then atleast we have some fools like you who get threatend by our force. My friend just count us strongly in the “strugle for the right and we have won freedom fight” Welcome to the the real world of bembas. We will never leave, not from Zambia, not even from your mind! we will haunt you till your last breath. Even after you we will still survive as Bemba’s.
Ba #65 and all other bemba haters, tell me when its time to bring out the machetes … >:), these bembas are just too much yeah?
You know what? we will even creep into your tribe; what ever your are, you family. by the time you realise you will have realitives with names like Chanda, Chola, Kabuswe, Chilufya even Sata. What will you do? I see you grambling and saying “how could it have happend like this” You will have no peace. Now I send you in your life ” Die and roast in hell for eternity” and where you will go, you will find some of us BEMBAS. We are human like you you my friend.
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A E I O U says:
March 16, 2010 at 1:09 pm# 54, i strongly doubt if you are Catholic, if you are then you have little recollection of how the Church was persecuted by UNIP. How Fr Umberto was terrorised by Alexander Kamalondo- KAMALONDO THAT WAS A NAME TO BE FEARED, BUT HOW HE FELL FROM GRACE.
#46 Joseph,dont mind dear broza,i respect your opinion.May be according to you i sounded like a prostitute and usually opinions like yours dont bother me.Dont worry Zambia remains our Mother Land full of injustices and only God will redeem us one Day.When God deliverd Sion from bondage,it looked like a dream.Yes we need very much to pray for our beloved Nation.Have a blessed day Joseph
What a shit thief pipo
no 48…you seem to be wise.But do realise that floods are a natural evil….not determined by any mortals….going by your logic governmenys of Haiti, Chile,China.. France, England..etc should be red carded;they all suffered natural disasters….if you know Lusaka well you should be able to know why there are floods.I lived in that town for years .Apart from the Kanyama disaster there had been no floods of this magnitude….its the issue of envinmental change.No matter how many drainages constructed the problem of floods will not be solved…maybe Walya once he becomes president he will be able to prevent them……Change or die can mean getting ready to die for change…..who can dispute this interpretation?.mmmh!…no 48?
Its good to learn that us Bembas are a thorn in the flesh of wild pigs and we shall continue to be so that those that are hard pricked can hang themselves and die.
Those that are tribalism, please free yourselves from mental slavery and accept that we are all related. The blood that runs in bembas is the same as that which is in you. I’m half Senga/Tumbuka, I love all tribes of Zambia and I’m very proud to be part of the 73 tribes. :)>-:)>-:)>-:)>-
Mwenda Njangula,you are not familiar with this “organization”.So keep quiet or go ask faza walya.
FR bwalya just happens to be one of the catholic priests and this church has got alot of members so can you stop SAYING catholics and instead say Fr Frank…. what is wrong with you people?
hahahahahahaha!!!!!! :))=))=)):)):)):)) hahahahahah!!!!!:)):)):))=))=))=)):)):))hahahahahahah!!!!!!!!
:)):)):)):))=))=))=))The MMD are scared to the root. Fr. Bwalya again hahahahahahaha!!!!!!:)):)):))=))=)):))
hahahahahah!!!!!:)):)):))=))=))=)):)):)) Excuse me, what if we had 10 of the likes of Fr bwalya.hahahahahahah!!!!!!!! :)):)):))>:)>:)>:)=))=))=p~:-??:)):)) This MMD is really funny hahahahahah :)):))=))=))=))=))=))=p~=p~:o:)):)):))=)) Mana jiti why have you changed. You are quiet ever since you joined politics. I miss you. I mean I like the row played by POLITICAL ACTIVISTS. Fr Bwalya that should remain your call, a POLITICAL ACTIVIST. I am in love with the fidgetting nature the MMD chaps seem to find themselves over the Priest. Incredible:))=))=))=)):))^:)^:*:*
#58 Nine Chale, the government had it coming… the same thing happened last time they locked him up. 100pin bail says it all.
And what about this tribal nosense! Chiluba was at one time at plot one.How many ‘ tubulus’ went to state house to benefit? Late Mwanawasa was there.How many Lambas or Lenjes are rich now because their man was there? And now Banda…How many people from the East are benefiting? Don’t waste time.Just send your children to school so they can become educated and be dependent on themselves instead of becoming a pack of cadre or group of tribalists.stop this debate on tribalism.
why is that its bembas causing trouble in this country.am not a tribalist but thez no way one tribe is behaving in a chaotic manner.mpundu,sata,mwewa and genocide bwalya.and on top of that the genocide catholic church.you cant change govt by using evil means,even if you sponor yo bemba ngos,govt wil deal with hard.wait 4 elections you thugs
I am now forced to comment, why are some of you guys dragging tribe in politics? please that era is gone. its one Zambia one nation and that nation is Zambia.
Forget about tribal politics you shocking children who are growing up. They don’t know what you are talking about.
I have a dream that one day, the easterner and the westerner will walk hand in hand without being conscious of their tribes . The northerner and the southerner will do the same.
I am now forced to comment, why are some of you guys dragging tribe in politics? please that era is gone. its one Zambia one nation and that nation is Zambia.
Forget about tribal politics you are shocking children who are growing up. They don’t know what you are talking about.
I have a dream that one day, the easterner and the westerner will walk hand in hand without being conscious of their tribes . The northerner and the southerner will do the same.
Rupiah is on his way out. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
As a nationalist, my personal proposal to politicains of all divides, true church and patriotic cadres is that Government should stop enforcing law and order on outlaws in the country, but instead let overzealous Zambians who hate this Bwalya xenophobia privately knock the outlaws down the lane in Mossad style one at a time in homes, on the road and elevators.
#82, I concur. We’re all brothers. In fact, as a Westerner, I regard Easterners as my blood relations. We came from the South at the same time. The Northerners are my relations, too, for though the Lozi speak a dialect of Sesotho, part of Bartoselanders is Lunda-Luba, from the Congo. We’re all brothers. It’s chiluba who divided us on tribal lines. KK was free of that tribsalism bullcrap. Under Chiluba it paid to be Bemba, to the exclusion of all others. Let’s move forward.
We will always live forever! Never out your mind. I am a verrrrrrrrrrryyyyy proud Bemba. Uwakuchinsali ukushuma lubanga!. Give us our northen province then we will leave you alone, Let us then see how you will survive without us!.
People need to differentiate between Bembas and abaushi. Those from the Northern are Bembas (Nkonko) and those from Luapula are Ushis. Chilubas is from Luapula and if you really looked well at his cabinet, he had more of his own from Luapula than from Northern Province. That is why you find that Chiluba and Sata they do not get along at all at all. Real bembas have never ruled Zambia. Kaunda made it a point Simaon Mwansa Kapwepwe never rules this country. I want to know which Bemba’s bloggers without the past record of history are talking about.
Listen guys, especially n#86, we are all proud of where we come from whether I was sleeping on reed mate or king-size water cushioned bed. but pride should have no room now. lets look at some options which can unite us as one so that 30 yrs from now we have a different Zambia, a country worth living in.
Thai protesters’ blood campaign dangerous: health groups
Pongphon Sarnsamak
The Nation (Thailand)
Publication Date : 16-03-2010
Thailand’s Nursing and Midwifery Council is threatening to punish nurses who agree to collect blood from red-shirt protesters for the plan to pour blood around the government house today.
“We will consider punishing them on a case-by-case basis,” council president Prof Vijit Sriruphan said yesterday (March 15). “They should know that collecting blood is only done for research or medical purposes.”
# Smith 80 You are very backwards. We are not going to keep quite. If your tribe encourages cowardness thats your problem. The Priest is just trying to speak for the poor masses. And what makes you think Fr. Bwalya is Bemba? If you look at our country today,one might think we are just coming out of a civil war. Look at the roads,buildings etc. Bane were can l get the RED CARD in Jhb?
Bits # 88 u r right. Iam just frustrated about some unrealistic bloggers. Who can not contribute meaninfully to topics in question. What they opt to do is to bring out tribal issues. I hate to talk about it things that do not uplift my mental capability. I am very much BEMBA with both my parents from almost the same village, but in thos time and age, I am still proud to tell you that I have 3 niece’s and 3 nephews who are half Lozi, 2 half Nsenga, 7 half ushi’s and 3 half lenje’s. Those who peperting this issue of tribe should come out in the open and truely tell us that they do not have any relative who is half a different. I love mother and all that it has in it, and when I am done with the diaspora. I will get back and enjoy the people in it.
boss banumber 86, Katapa is a royal name from Luapula, so i dont undertsand when you say you are from Chinsali. Which part of Chinsali are you from? and who is your Chief? you chaps from Zaire are trying to fuse in you dont even know where what belongs where
Yes mwana n# 91you are right, let not operate on the level of frustration and anger, we are likely miss it all. When I look at Fr Bwalya I strong believe its not tribal inclination that is prompting him to act like this. May be passion for better Zambia or popularity. If his motive is not just fame and advocating for better Zambia. He deserves supporting. Sometimes GVT needs people like fr to tell them that we tired to be called the poorest country in midst plenty.
The Bloggers that hate Bemba’s are such cowards! Firstly, who stops you from aspiring to lead or get to the top?? We live & were born in the same country, if you feel inferior, its something I guess you will have to deal with. No Bembas have come out to condemn any other tribal group. The simple fact is, Precious time & energy are better expended to doing something to better ones life, than bear jealousy & anger. You guys, get a life. You too can get on the political or the business scene, it’s simple, just step up to it. Such thoughts & hatred is what has got us & africa where we are, we are trying to reinvent the wheel, the West have been there before & have moved on to become the first world – yet we live on the same planet!! Anyway, it’s not difficult to understand, literacy is…
I wonder who the political advisers for MMD are. Honestly cant you see that you are making Father Bwalya a hero for nothing.MMD even if i m not part of you please think before you act.
please dont connect Fr Bwalya to th church he stands on his own.Th man simply represents a registered ngo(called Change Life Zambia). Remember politicians go to church…..viva Fr B……… viva!!!!!!!
96 comments and no senior citizen / veteran???
We need people like Father Bwalya, 90% of Zambian are cowards and just complain and do nothing. As for the riots, take time to listen to international news and see what happen in Europe when people a not happy with something (even in South Africa or Thailand). In Zambia, we let these politicians to have it easy. we need uncorrupt or uncomprised NGO like Change Life Zambia. If Change Life was owned by some failurer guy (like BIGOGA), MMD could have bought him off. For MMD its ok for BIGOGA to support them. Google on Andry Nirina Rajoelina and ACORN.
i think i will also shift to be bemba coz it seems bembas are becoming wise these days hey…..
9, AEIOU You are not likely to hear any more nonsense from Kabwela, so who learnt a lesson on how to behave?
3, Smooth criminal, yes you are not a lawyer and neither am I. But you cannot possibly define every conceivable offence, so you allow for circumstances. In this case you know the background to the red card campaign, who was distributing the cards and what it can cause in a youth day crowd. Even the father knows it that is why he has denied that he was distributing the cards and claimed that he was merely getting a lift from someone. Even priests will tell a lie to save their skins you know!
My view is that we need to get the facts of the incident. If Father Bwalya was distributing the cards at youth day celebrations and there was a possibility of a violent reaction or any reaction that could have breached peace then the police where in order. For instance if an MMd cadre also strayed into PF area and took out his card> I would also expect the police to lock him up as such conduct is likely to cause a breach of peace, Think about it guys
(The Catholic Church must) clean out the pedophiles, break up the gay cliques, tighten up the seminary, and restore the good name of the priesthood, look at Father bwalya lost in woldly affairs even satan himself cant understand him.
Glencore Energy wins $1 bln Zambia oil supply deal
And such are some of the economic activities with their propensity of launching the country into tangible developmental phase through economic activities which a clique of tribal religious counterfeit xenophobes want to sabotage out of incorrigible tribal hatred. Tribally aligned Telesphore Mpundu abuser of Mwanawasa in his grave, Augustine Mwewa, Simon Kabanda, and this jerk ex-priest called Frank Bwalya are jockers.
Over consumed with tribal hatred in their quest for a destabilized country, they have resorted to draw the country in religious and tribal wars all against peaceful and law abiding Zambian traditions of all ethic root. They are overlooking their challenges at hand. Any fanatical option these religious counterfeit take against Zambians with pockets of their imagined community in thuggery is goose chase to nowhere.
Theirs lacks a national character. Its pure tribal Groupthink aligned in a religious cult out tough with the main stream faith of their mother body the Catholic Church. This cult is no different from the late Lumpa Church uprising cult movement of Alice Lenshina. No matter how they get consumed and animated in tribal hatred or masquerade as a catholic cause, they are falling flat. The country has seen Telephore Mpundu and Mwewas vainly belaboring to involve an innocent Catholic Church in their sins and hatred to which many MMD members and leaders are faithful. This cult movement is a circus to nowhere but Alice Lenshina legacy.
Zambians of diverse faith belongs to all citizens regardless of which part of this Great model state they come from within our territorial jurisdiction. This country is not a land of what a legion of tribally confused religious counterfeit xenophobes want, but what the people’s constitution want. It is always democracy and constitutionality that takes precedence over everything in our national governance. No one is above the laws of the land. The professional and independent justice system is open to take petitions and injunctions from responsible citizens against their government if there is any legal basis and dissatisfaction.
The electoral commission of Zambia ECZ manages national elections held in a free competitive space of ideas and aspirations in which citizens are at liberty to sell themselves. If these religious counterfeits of tribal xenophobes believe they are credible and a national asset worth people’s national vote, let them pitch on the ballot. Zambia as a country will never subscribe to the fantasy and whims of a legion of tribal religious counterfeit league.
Alice Lenshina tried this insanity, she failed and these revisionists cult gang of nihilists making an attempt on our national unity, enduring peace, resolve and values are in a hollow hoax. Like Alice Lenshina in the name of religion failed, this cult will have poor and sad crash landing. Hatred begets hatred. They will fail not because of a retaliatory challenges but because they have no national character or face. Zambia is bigger than a few lost souls overrating their value. I see Frank Bwalya as a prototype of northern Uganda’s sect leader John Koni now holed up in Central Africa. But unfortunately for these counterfeits, time is against them and naturally Zambia is ruthless with this nonsense. They should ask convict Michael Sata who became a Lumpa church member on his release…
They should ask convict Michael Sata who became a Lumpa church member on his release from the colonial Prison at Bwana Mkubwa where the Lumpa Movement is today and what happened to Lenshina. If Lenshina went further with her cult, this cult of Bwalya and tribes mate will live the taste of time.
Always Zambia is bigger than anyone of us and any qualified Zambians is constitutional right to preside over national affairs as President. She is not a preserve of any tribe. Such is the myth these counterfeits out to know.
A say Godspeed to disgraced Telesphore Mpundu (Lusaka) abuser of Mwanawasa in his grave, Augustine Mwewa (Ndola diocese), Simon Kabanda (Lusaka), and this jerk called Frank Bwalya (Kitwe).
The Constitution of Zambian gives the Government enough instruments of action in preserving national peace and security at all cost. It is therefore a fallacy to think that treasonous acts can circumvent the Government’s constitutional powers that invoke instruments of peace and security where need arise.In a functional democracy, the only window of change is elections and ballots. Any extra-constitutional option takes the nightmare of extrajudicial action.Unless these counterfeits settle on mass and issue instructions from there, theirs is circus bound for a historic experience never to be forgotten.
Democarcy comes with responsibility and it is the only way out of any resentment.Extraconstitutional actions are a losers’ options to self defeat and pain.
Good luck!
# 100, Kabwela got more mileage from that case and the Government suffered embarrasemnet world wide. Secondly Kabwela was just exposing the rot , she had no other intentions thats why you wont hear from her. For her efforts she may get the CNN journalist of the year award and MMD will get to be the opposition. by the way when did Fr Bwalya distribute the cards and when was he arrested
The tribe were 90% of thives who steal GRZ money come from. can not be trusted. We gave them a chance with FJT look what they done. If left to their own devices Zambia will be like DRC were they come from. DRC rotten to the core, were corruption is a way of life , like the air we breath. No proper goverment to speak of, yet potentially the richest. That is the Bemba mentality…steal, steal if cant steal cause havoc.. if cant cause havoc complain for nothing.
A Zambian priest who is leading a campaign to force the government to resign has been freed on bail after spending three nights in jail.
Father Frank Bwalya denies charges of breaching the peace after distributing red cards – the symbol of his campaign.
After being freed, he told the BBC he had “never felt so confident” about his message and said the government was corrupt and dictatorial.
Officials have denied the arrest was politically motivated.
The priest’s critics have labelled him a rabble-rouser, but Fr Bwalya said his campaign has wide support.
“People agree with our message because it’s their own message,” he told the BBC’s Focus on Africa.
“The people would have liked the government to go yesterday – but we’re a country of laws and there are…
“The people would have liked the government to go yesterday – but we’re a country of laws and there are procedures.” The priest was arrested in the northern city of Kitwe on Friday when he was distributing his red cards – a symbol borrowed from football, when players are shown a red card when they are dismissed from the game. He is encouraging Zambians to honk their car horns and show their red cards on Fridays, to display their displeasure with the government. Dozens of protests gathered outside the court during his hearing, and police fired tear gas to disperse them. Analysts say he enjoys wide support in Kitwe, an opposition stronghold. The priest is spearheading the anti-government campaign, which is being backed by several other groups of activists.
Should Religion and Politics mix in Africa?
Should Religious Leaders in Africa criticise their Governments?
An outspoken Catholic priest in Zambia was this week arrested for handing out Red Cards against the governing party in Zambia.
Father Frank Bwalya is leading a campaign to force the government to resign.
Religious leaders on the continent have often been criticised of meddling in politics by politicians but do religious leaders have a civil duty to hold their governments to account?
Is the priest right to criticise the government or is he overstepping his responsibilities?
Do religious leaders have a role to play in the politics of your Country?Or should they stick to preaching?
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Published: Tuesday, 16 March, 2010, 17:24 GMT 17:24 UK
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Veteran you such a sorry site. posting all those postings in a role. Thats not the way to drive a point without even giving chance to others. Shows how desperate you are and how you wish you could change the status quo. But for your information you won’t manage to change the situation no matter how much you rant with lies and half truths. You an embarssment to our Country Zambia. Accept bemba is a part of Zed and accept they have made positive contribution to growth of Zambia as other ethinics have. Heal from that inferiority complex my bro, you are educated, just accept everyone and learn to live with them, you will be happier
Frank Bwalya what he is doing ninzelu zakusukulu mugrade 12. why cant you father bwalya assemble your own audience and distribute those cards. since you have failed to distribute corn puffs in your church, the best you can do is to shut up. you cant bring down the government through the use of colonial avenues. the way archbishop mpundu has come strongly supporting sata we can safely conclude that you are a PF Cadre together with duffy, miha , augustine mwewa. You will be shocked when MMD carries the day come 2011
The priest is just being harassed.He is seen as a threat by those in power who control the forces of coercion (the police/army/shu shu shu etc). What are they afraid of? Freedom of expression is not just the ZNBC or other official mouthpieces. Organised religion has a powerful hold on zambian society, hence the jitteriness by the govt/ruling party about this priest.who remembers the liberation theologists of central america? religion was used by the colonialists to subdue a restive population, and it worked. it still works in the developing world where poverty,corruption and exclusion conspire to keep people down.the downtrodden turn to religion for comfort. corrupt morally bankrupt politicians love invoking God to keep us quiet and cover their tracks! a clever combination.
you can’t fool everybody all the time! we can politick all we want, but the fact remains that if something is not working,what is wrong with saying so? unfortunately, vested agenda setters love to muddy the issues and the water and we continue to fight each other at the expense of growing together and we lose out in the long run.no-one has a birthright to being a leader; especially in a democratic context, but we forget that and human history is full of examples to that effect.
Flash that Red Card. Lookout for a website
The church in Zambia can no longer be trusted in its dealings. With due respect the late Bishop Mumba (MHSRIEP) in 1990/1 used wisdom to bring together KK and Chiluba. I think we are now using dirty ways and one just has to go on the streets of Lusaka and get a small book titled “The Secret Terrorists” to know what the church and these servants of God are capable of doing. Zambia! Oh my Zambia!
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