THE Vatican Ambassador to Zambia Nicola Girasoli says the entire congregation of the Catholic Church in Zambia is in full support of Lusaka Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu.
But concerned members of the Catholic Church have vowed to go ahead with their planned demonstrations at the Vatican Ambassador to Zambia’s residence to compel his office to remove Bishop Mpundu.
Apostolic Nunciature Archbishop Girasoli said the Catholic Church supports Bishop Mpundu contrary to some statements from some people he described as non-Catholics.
Some concerned Catholics have petitioned Pope Benedict XV1 to remove Bishop Mpundu as head of the Catholic Church in Zambia.
Archbishop Girasoli said in a statement released in Lusaka yesterday that the Catholic Church is a universal church with its own rules and norms based on more than 2,000 years of tradition, which are collected in the Code of Canon Law, which can only call for the removal of any Archbishop who violates it.
Archbishop Girasoli said the Catholic Church in Zambia will not support calls for the removal of Bishop Mpundu because any kind of genuine action or claim in the Catholic Church should be sustained by the procedures indicated in the Canon Law.
The Vatican Embassy in Zambia denied that the Apostolic Nuncio ever met anybody or a group of Catholics who petitioned the removal of Bishop Mpundu.
But the petitioners have vowed to go ahead with their demonstration at the Vatican Embassy in Lusaka.
Group Spokesperson Edmond Zulu said in an interview in Lusaka yesterday that the concerned members of the Catholic Church will not relent until they ensure that Bishop Mpundu is removed as head of the Catholic Church in Zambia.
[pullquote]“I think the people who are saying that the petitioners are not members of the Catholic Church want to taste our wrath, let them see what will happen on Wednesday, and their statements will not intimidate us until Bishop Mpundu is removed from his position,” Mr Zulu said.[/pullquote]
“I think the people who are saying that the petitioners are not members of the Catholic Church want to taste our wrath, let them see what will happen on Wednesday, and their statements will not intimidate us until Bishop Mpundu is removed from his position,” Mr Zulu said.
He said all well-meaning Catholic Church members in Lusaka and other parts of the country have indicated their willingness to take part in the demonstrations to pressure for the quick removal of Bishop Mpundu.
“Let them know that we are not joking but that we are very serious. We have given the Pope a one-week ultimatum to act on our petition failure to which we will demonstrate in masses,” he said.
Last week, some concerned Catholic Church members petitioned the Pope to remove Bishop Mpundu as head of the Catholic Church in Zambia for allegedly tarnishing the image of the Church.
In a letter of petition presented to the Vatican Ambassador to Zambia, the concerned Church members from Chainda and Kamanga Parish called for the immediate removal of Bishop Mpundu for allegedly issuing alarming statements in the press.
They also called on the Pope to issue a public apology on behalf of the Catholic Church over Bishop Mpundu’s stand towards Government.
The concerned Church members further asked the Vatican to restore the relationship that the Catholics and Government used to enjoy over the years to enhance development in the country.
[Zambia Daily mail]
MMD is going to exteme lengths, ukulaisebanya fye. Those people were paid to do what they did k150,000, useless.
Well-done Catholics. What next RB..whats your next gimmick???
WALYA IWE!!!:d/
More lessons to come from various other quarters. Malice & smear campaigns hardly move international leadership, learn from that.[-x
“Apostolic Nunciature Archbishop Girasoli said the Catholic Church supports Bishop Mpundu contrary to some statements from some people he described as non-Catholics.”
Wow, this is what you call a no true scotsman. This is a way of reinterpreting evidence in order to prevent the refutation of one’s position. Proposed counter-examples to a theory are dismissed as irrelevant solely because they are counter-examples, but purportedly because they are not what the theory is about.
I am not a catholic so I cannot comment on internal catholic issues but I will however remind everyone that Zambia is a democracy and in a democracy, you will have opposing views whether you like it or not. [tbc
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So please PF cadres and sympathizers, stop your useless conspiracy theories that the MMD is paying people to petition.
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“A red card should be shown against Mr Sata and Mr Hakainde. They are the ones who are breaking the rules of our politics in this country,”
You shall not fight with the anointed of God. Mr Zulu stick to the politicians and do your politicking. May the good lord forgive you for you know not what you are doing. And who said Archbisop Mpundu is the head of the catholic church in Zambia?? The pope is not MMD or PF the church is not run by cadres. If you were genuine catholics you would have known that you can not give an ultimetum to the holy see.
As Catholics, we shall not at all be moved or Intimidated. RB and all your clonies, its a Red Card!! We have wasted too much time talking, its now time to remove these monkeys and for good! MMD and) Zwaaa!
Please Zambia Police, give these so-called concerned catholics permit to be demonstrating every weekend at the Vatican Embassy. Please I beg you Police do not deny them a permit. Let them demonstrate even everyday for the whole year, or even for their entire life until His grace Archbishop Mpundu, the Metropolitan Archbishop of Lusaka is ‘removed’ from Lusaka. This Demonstration is at the moment their source of income and livelihood, so if police deny them a permit it means no food at home. So please Police help these people to survive!
Mr Capitalist whatever yo name is open yo eyes, stop talking like a juvenile. do you think someone can just stand appose the brave statement made by Bishop Mpundu for no reason? only a foolish person like you can talk that nonsense. if you don’t know anything you better cover yo monkey crazy ass mouth than yakking shit!
Viva , Lets unit and show MMD and their hallucinations that we are One.
Bemba, tongas, lozis,easterners we are all one.
Red card.
#8 you are as foolish as #5 you don’t even know who you are yo name says it all!
What do you expect,do you think these homosexuals in robes will denounce each other.they can`t.their boss in ROME is on his knees begging for forgiveness from families whose children were sodomised by the boys in robes masquerading as the men of god,yet the boys in robes in the mould of girrasoli,mpundu and truant fr bwalya dont seem to be concerned.what a church.
my word to all Lusaka times news reporters is “take time before you issue any statement to the public” digest statement before you can publicize, the statement you issued on Bishop Mpundu yesterday was not worth the news! anybody who listened to his speech can be foolish to say what he said was a conspiracy to the government of Zambia.
THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DESPITE ITS LONG TIME IN EXISTENCE IS A LEARNING ORGANISATION AND AS SUCH SHOULD LEARN TO INVESTIGATE SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS AND BRING THEM TO A SUCCESSFUL AND AMICABLE CONCLUSION.
BURYING THEIR HEADS IN THE PROVERBIAL SAND WILL NOT TAKE MATTERS AWAY.
CHILDREN WHO WERE SODOMISED BY CATHOLIC BISHOPS WERE NOT LISTENED TO DUE TO 2000 YEARS OF ‘CANNON’ VEILED SECRECY AND THE POPE IS ALWAYS RIGHT SYNDROME.
LISTEN TO THE PETITIONERS IN AN INDEPENDENT FORUM AND THEN TAKE A RECONCILIATORY STANCE TO KEEP THE FAITH GOING.
LEARNING FROM THE RWANDA EXPERIENCE AND OTHERS COULD HELP THE CHURCH ARRIVE IN THE 21sT CENTURY!!
dman 27y- i conqure with you. # 8 & #5 must have mental diarhoue, assist them with a pit latrin.
DONQUEEN shut up bitch!
@ #9 dman27y
Calling me foolish and a juvenile does not debunk my statement that his is a democratic nation where you’ll have opposing views. Even the statement by Bishop Mpundu has people that oppose it. Your statement is void of any substance and harbors on ad-hominems. There is no single argument you have brought up. Your post on #9 simply exposes your acrimony.
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“A red card should be shown against Mr Sata and Mr Hakainde. They are the ones who are breaking the rules of our politics in this country.”
Mpundu and his minions are just *****s who should never be given any respect. Just because Sata is his brother in law he wants to drag the catholic church into partisan politics. Lets have respect for leadership and let the church promote the spreading the word of God unlike divide citizens Look at this stupid Fr Bwalya a shameless tribalist, is he a normal ***** surely. let us be realistic. Zambia needs peace and respect for every citizen./
Capitalist you are so dumb i have never seen any stupid arrogant fool like you, i bet you are not even zambian. coz you can see whats going on in the country. all you know is that in a democratic country has to be an opposing view “what a pity to you Mr”. you are an hopeless earthiest, anyway if you are a man enough i was going to reason with you but my advice is open yo eyes nigga.
donkey or Donqueen and capitalist SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you the same pipo who divide the nation.
which of you would survive if the catholic church pulled out their services from zambia.
the has important things to attend like educating and giving heath care to your poor villagers, aunities …name them than pay attention to your useless cadres. if anything zambian president`s are not even known by the pope but tresphore mpundu is known even by GOD. you are wasting your useless TIME.
# 4 Capitalist…let’s keep it simple…..It’s about canon law . There’s been no violation of canon law , which is church law that regulates clergy among other things .
…Mr Edmond Zulu….You can always join another church if canon law is failing to meet your expectations . No need to start making a fool of yourself . It is the same God u know . It’s only the purveyors of God that are different .
…# 8 I appreciate the sarcasm .
#18 you are a cadre so just shut the fck up! be realistic yourself and open yo eyes, reason like a normal human not a fool that you portray now. be wise!
I guess all you chaps are not circumisized like Fr Bwalya or Bishop Mpundu, You will soon learn about the war in Lwanda that it was actually the catholics who agitated for it. you un circumisiszed fools are just but *****s.
dman 27y pump some sense in these fools, i have no time to waste with them they are just *****s.
Praise the Lord for the support from the Vatican. The church is greater than any individual political party, or earthly government. This is the reason politician want the support of the church because they are afraid. But we warn you, dont hide in the church. If you declared Zambia to be a Christian nation be ready to follow Christian ethics and to be repriminded by Christians. We want to see a Christian nation that respect human beings Christ died for. Many people are suffering in Zambia bercause of the failure of MMD government to provide basic needs like water to the people. What type of a Christian nation is Zambia? My fellow Christian leaders, its time to stand up for Jesus and for the people of Zambia like Archbishop Mpundu and denounce the poor leadership.
MK#20 .SHOW ME IN MY PREVIOUS NOTE WHERE I HAVE TRIED TO DIVIDE THE NATION?
I WILL TAKE IT THAT YOU HAVE COMMUNICATION DIFFICULTIES OR A MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGE.
I BELIEVE YOU DO NOT ENTER HEAVEN BY THE TITLE YOU HOLD,INNIT?
MORE TO SAY BUT I REST MY CASE.
king cobra. YOU ARE JUST SHIT IN THE TOILET. you need some comon sense.
I wonder if our President has become only a President of the Zulus, Phiris, and so on . Mr. President RB should know that ” unreflected life is not worthy living”. Please Mr. E. Zulu go back to what the Archbishop said and analyse word by word and see if he said anything out of context. Don’t sale your dignity for some pins of kwacha, think of the future of your children. Remember Mr. Zulu it’s better to be poor but honesty, I wonder how true you’re to yourself. God bless you and may he give you his grace to enlighten your mind.
@ #19 dman27y
You have not brought up any issues nor have you debunked any of my statements. You have chosen the ad-hominems once again and you are now using red-herrings by trying to create doubt over my nationality. You are very acrimonious (if that is a word). If you want to address me sir, bring up a point you disagree with or bring about issues. When you say I can see what’s going on in the country, you mean ignore the facts (6.3% GDP growth, stabilized currency, mines re-opening). You mean look for the bad things. I am sorry but economic figures is what moves me.
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“A red card should be shown against Mr Sata and Mr Hakainde. They are the ones who are breaking the rules of our politics in this country.”
#22 You fool, who told you this saint is a cadre, You must be a bemba, who thinks only bembas are wise, you potray as if you are wise, yet you are just a sinner like Bishop Mpundu and Sata. Burn in hell.
@ #20 mk
“donkey or Donqueen and capitalist SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Respect yourself. Zambia is a democratic nation where I am free to practice my freedom of speech. I will not shut up just to satisfy your over inflated ego.
which of you would survive if the catholic church pulled out their services from zambia.
1. Why did you ask this question?
2. Well I don’t know how many would survive. I am not a magician.
3. Zambian presidents not being knows is not an issue. Zambian presidents are not the ones who have petitioned against Mpundu
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“A red card should be shown against Mr Sata and Mr Hakainde. They are the ones who are breaking the rules of our politics in this country.”
@ #21 The Lord SITH
Read my comment on #4 and #5. Like I said, I am not Catholic so I cannot comment on internal Catholic issues. I will however remind the PF cadres and Sympathizers that Zambia is a democratic nation that will have opposing views. There is no way the petitioners who petitioned against Mpundu where paid by the MMD. That is my point.
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“A red card should be shown against Mr Sata and Mr Hakainde. They are the ones who are breaking the rules of our politics in this country.”
LT you should establish your own sourcing of news not using other media houses. If you use other media houses we want to hear your balancing and your views. Failure to use your own sources and taking other peoples news in plagiarism.Chilishani? Every time its Times of Zambia, are you in partnership?
Mr Zulu, what a cheap politician you are. You allowed the MMD to use your name for such a cheap argument. I wish you knew the church before expossed your ignorance.You are finished and your actions were based on securing a political mileage. You don’t know politics and the Bible although you profess to be a Roman Catholic.You are not representing the Roman Catholic church which helped us to get ride of one party system UNIP. You dont even know why Archbishop Alias Mutale was killed. If you were promised a position in the MMD for these, your days and the MMD are numbered. The people of Zambia including yourself are suffering. They need powerful men than the MMD to speak for them. The church and its ministers must stand up and speak for you and others. Long live Bishop Mpundu and the…
Mr Capitalist
Are you related in any way to Nervers Mumba at the Zambian Embassy in Canada,,,,or are you Nervers Sekwila Mumba? just asking,no malice,curiosity is killing me boss
He could not have called the press conference without the go-ahead from the Vatican. They even read his speech before hand. So not surprising that they ‘back’ him. They have to anyway, otherwise he will spill the beans about abuses. The problem here is that Mr Mpundu dragged the Roman Church into his private affair between himself, Sata, his sister and Chiluba. Chiluba did not attack his church.
# 32..OK Mr capitalist…could you perhaps simplify the ” no true scotsman ” notion for some of us..?….What evidence is there to be re-interpreted ..? And what is the relevance of all this ?
capitalist you are a fool and i don’t have time to start cracking you all data, read news with open mind not focused on one political party, see reasons. if you dont know anything why talking then? you want me to start profiling all the political leaders, zambian judges and all the stuff. you want me teach you how to reason? you expect me to teach you how to analyze data? be a man mr!
Coming back to the issue
“I think the people who are saying that the petitioners are not members of the Catholic Church want to taste our WRATH, let them see what will happen on Wednesday, and their statements will not intimidate us until Bishop Mpundu is removed from his position,” Mr Zulu said.
what did Mpundu say to annoy this man so much,someone please explain,i wouldnt want to taste his wrath,just grant him his wishes pleases,wouldnt want this to disturb the RED CARD CAMPAIGN
21 JUNE 1987 in Mbala:
Then the new Bishop had the opportunity to express his thanks to everyone present, especially His Excellency the President who he referred to as ‘The Father of the nation, and to those working behind the scoes.’ Referring to his motto “Unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, its remaining alone” (John 12:24) Bishop Mpundu invited us to look at Jesus on the Cross and asked us to follow the example of our powerfull leader and walk the way of the Cross “accepting the role of servant. My hope and prayer is that we in this diocese are going to be at the service of one another and of the nation for the greated abundance of life for all God’s people”.
His Excellency, the President (KK), reminded us that our new Bishop could use a word of encouragement from time to time, just like all leaders. He also hoped that Bishop Mpundu with all christians will be concerned about the right of the family in Zambia, because there are tremendous pressures today as many marriages are breaking under the strain. We want a family life truly Christian and truly African.
Then followed the presentation of gifts and after the ceremony over 450 invited guests were entertained to a SUMPYUOUS LUNCH in the grounds of St Francis Mission.
I wonder what the ‘poor’ ate on that June 21 day in 1987!
Did KK know about Mpundu’s sister then in 1987, to encourage the newly ordained Bishop of Mbala to be ‘concerned about the rights of the family in Zambia, because marriages are breaking…’?
@ #37 The Lord SITH
Here is an example of a no true scotsman.
– The PF members opposed the NCC
– Well there are some PF members that support the NCC
– Well those are not true PF members.
The above is an example of how a claim is reinterpreted. In our case above, Apostolic Nunciature Archbishop Girasoli is assuming that any Catholic that opposes Bishop Mpundu is a non-Catholic.
MMD = Movement for Mad Demagogues. RED CARDED…….they are moving out of the soccers fileld insulting the referee.
@ #38 dman27y
“you want me to start profiling all the political leaders, zambian judges and all the stuff. you want me teach you how to reason? you expect me to teach you how to analyze data? be a man mr!”
If that is what it’ll take then yes I would appreciate it if you could start profiling all political leaders, Zambian judges and all the stuff. I would also appreciate it if you could teach me how to reason. Also it would be great if you teach me how to analyze data and be a man. I really appreciate that you are offering your services and at no cost. This is really amazing.
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“A red card should be shown against Mr Sata and Mr Hakainde. They are the ones who are breaking the rules of our politics in this country.”
Could Girasoli be on his way back to the Vatican then?
SERVES YOU RIGHT YOU ‘BREAK-AWAY’ CATHOLICS AND YOU SPONSORS. THE POPE IS NOT A SMALL MAN, HIS HIGHER THAN FIRST WORLD LEADERS. SO WHAT WAS GOING ON IN YOU MALNOURISHED BRAINS TO GIVE THE POPE AN ULTIMATUM OF 7 DAYS WITH CLEAR INSTRUCTIONS OF WHAT HE SHOULD DO. IF HE REFUSES (LIKE HE HAS) WHAT NEXT? BREAK AWAY AND FORM THE CHURCH OF ZAMBIA, HEADED BY RB, LIKE KING HENRY AND THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND? HA! HA! HAA!
# 43 ..Thanx for your explanation…..I do follow it , but it is not necessarily logical to me. I’ll agree to disagree before we start getting into semantics .
Deuces
What rules of politics is Sata or HH breaking? RB and MMD are scared that if they don’t get support from the catholic church, they might be on their way out. No wonder they want to drag the church into politics. The statements Archbishop Mpundu is the general feeling of catholics concerning the state of affairs in the country. Mr Zulu if you are dissatisfied why not follow proper channels rather that behaving like a cadre or a rabid dog? Or better join BIGOCA so that you start congregating with) and FTJ.
RB & his ill advised strategies have been exposed & embarrassed. They can demonstrate it won’t have any significance what so ever. It is clear MMD is using all clandestine means to win this election. If they are not scared of the Pact or any other opposition party why can they level the playing field & let voters decide??? Mangani is using state resources to look for prison records why are they scared if they have been developing Zambia as they claim.As a neutral I just feel our politics are so petty that we fail to tackle real issues. You can win an election by blocking people from participating.
‘Yo’ Mr. Capitalist: I find your arguments & points of view quite logical. Keep them coming…
#26 Donqueen – I agree with your sentiments…its time to move away from the computer & enjoy some Fresh Spring Air outside ‘innit’ Dqn?
I dislike the way MMD is driving us into anti catholic propaganda just because the archibishop of Lusaka has some relationship with a certain Mr. SATA whom they’re so scared of NO day passes without them hallucinating about Mr. Sata. I wish 2011 could come today, we need peace & sensible discussions.
If you look at the postings of 17 & 19, you see a world of difference in thinking capacity. Unfortunately, that is typical our current politics in Zambia.
FOR 2000 YEARS, IT IS THE TRADITION AND NORM FOR THE CHURCH, TO FIRST REFUSE TO LISTERN TO THE TRUETH OF ABUSE.SECOND,ALLOW THE BISHOPS AND THEIR PRIEST ABUSE SOCIETY AND THEN APOLOGISE. WE HAVE TO STOP THE ROT BEFORE THEY DRAW “FIRST BLOOD”.PLEEEEESE STOP BI-SHARK MPUNDU.
52, All things have their context and genesis which people must understand well. In this case, just to remind you that when Mr Sata lost the elections, he stated that he would make Zambia ungovernable. To interpret that for you, Mr Sata was simply saying that as long as the people of Zambia did not vote for him he would not let them enjoy peace.
MMD PICKS WRONG FIGHTS, HOW CAN YOU FIGHT CATHOLICS IN ZAMBIA? IT IS LOSSING FIGHTS, ONLY MMD WILL LOSE, RB IS ACTING AS IF HE WAS NOT IN UNIP WHICH WAS BADLY DAMAGED BY TRYING TO FIGHT CATHOLICS IN ZAMBIA. PLEASE DO NOT PICK A FIGHT YOU CAN NOT WIN, THAT NOT GOOD POLITICAL TACTICS..SO FAR THE VATICAN BACKS MPUNDU..MOVE ON MMD AND FOCUS ON OTHER ISSUES…
As for the Catholic Church, clearly the Vatican is not in a position to take on additional issues with Telesphore and his brother in law. As they say, their place is full at the moment.
A Zulu what does the bible teach about resolving conflict? demonstrating? what chapter is that? Please I need help finding the scriptures searched the whole day…. any help.
No. 56 you make too much sense right now; R.B just picked a wrong enemy to do Battle with. And if it’s true that KK and RB are brothers in law then KK is not being a good Mulamu! R.B must be a man of very short memory if he has forgotten what befell KK when he made enemies with these guys.
remember ley made peace with this Team before he died afetr realising that they do mean well in some of their criticism
# 4 & 5Capitalist. Wapwa! ekupwa uku beba! Ine nshile fyumfwa nefyo ulelandapo. Ala ngabalakufolesha ndeti waikata muchinbusu. You seem and sound so foolish in you tone of writting. Sole bwana!
I miss the wise leadership of KK. He could have told these protesters and told them that the church should never be dragged into politics. What do RB and his minnows hope to achieve in all this? I have also noticed that some bloggers are NOT only illogical but totally ignorant. Surely, how can a person like Chiluba who you all know to be a lair start a war you can champion? Let me warn you Zambians – the traits of Jealousy, Malice, Gossip, Envy and the Pull Him down culture that comes with them will create chaos in Zambia one day. Learn to give credit where it is due. Mpundu has done a fanatstic job so please leave him alone. Go and demonstrate against Chiluba for stealing our money and a neighbour’s wife. That is a crime so go for Chiluba and ensure he is locked up.
No. 12 Aka Pondo so called!!
Have some sense of decency man not every catholic Bishop and Priest has a record od child abuse. the Stance the Pope has taken to apologise to the families of the abused is the rigt one. What this government is doing is far worse; the father of this nation is Airborne every other week the country is flooding. Our own brothers and sisters are in squater camps like refugees, almost 80% of Cholera cases are coming from that settlement, are we recovering from war? Watch Muvi TV and you will agree with me. Has anyone from this Government apologised? NO! Is this morally cerrect? NO! So please have some decency man.
dman27y, before you go too far in insulting me and putting in the same basket with the hopeless MMD cadre Capitalist, you know the comment I made #8 is actually a tease on these hopeless MMD using cadres to bring perceived enemies into ridicule. Just read my comment again and see how much fooling and teasing it contains. My point is no matter how long and how much these cadres try to demonstrate, the Archbishop Mpundu will not be removed, because the church does not act on popular outcries. So abena dman27y I hope we are in the same boat trying to sail against the currents of the MMD nonsense.
There are many politicians who think by declaring Zambia a Christian nation, they will get away with it, you are mistaken. The church will not rest until justice and good governance is uphold. There is no reason to call for the removal of Archbishop Mpundu for out speaking the evils in the current and previous government. Archbishop Mpundu is a voice to many Zambians. Mr. Zulu I don’t even know you and you are not representing all Catholics in Zambia. You are speaking on your own behalf because you have been promised a position in the MMD. If there is anything to demonstrate about, is the way this MMD government is closing its eyes and ears to the cries of many poor Zambians. Christians must stand up and join hands in condeming the MMD government
That will be interesting to see if these Guys protest on Wednesday otherwise they will give an excuse. And i think when they go to protest at the Embassy they will be met by the police who will man-handle them. Remember that the embassy is like another country. And that The Apostolic Nuncio is a diplomat, just like the American Ambassador or the British high commissioner etc they represent a government. Be ready to be Arrested.Even RB will be reflecting on the consequences of the diplomatic ties not only with the Vatican but other countries too because it will give a very bad impression to other Ambassadors and High Commissioners. Also a bad reputation for our country.
Otherwise Mr. Zulu be ready to be Arrested, the Nuncio will be acting in his capacity as an Ambassador.
Wapya Munzi MMD! 2011, Kuya bebele
Imagine this guy Zulu is now saying the Vatican is going to “taste his wrath”! Another useless MMD dog wags its tail =))
The Vatican and the Pope as an individual are facing serious accusations elsewhere in the world, and it is not in their interest to alienate other “clergy” like telesphore, or wash dirty linen in public. I am sure that some form of action will be taken quietly, check the Pronuncio’s words of reconciliation, “….the Vatican embassy called on the Zambian Catholics in union with their bishops to pray more in order to strengthen the unity through diversity and the mutual respect and dialogue with all different beliefs, culture and opinions….” I am sure telesphore and his fellow truant priests are not lost on this subtle warning cum advice.
yaba but mulasabaila. Wrong no!! …. where are you? tell them the truth…..
It is criminal iresponsibilty to just continue preaching the gospel, beating about the bush when you know the wrong thing. Real preachers face reality, because its the same christians (handled by preachers) who are affected adversely by inept leaders. Wrong is wrong regardless of who does it. Only shallow minds can be against Bishop Telesphore Mpundu. Ba Mpundu “ Uwaingila mumushitu tomfwa nswaswa ( Isaiah 41:10) kabili Mwamina nguni tanaka“ As long as God is behind catholics, we will never fall down.
The problem with most Zambians is that we have let un-wise uneducated people rule us from independence. Uneducated means not being properly taught from childhood, for school makes you learned not educated. Look at Botswana a black nation to our southwest I think, their democracy is thriving in Africa, or the Seyshelles. What’s hard about reading the bible and realizing that God states we study his word and through Christ alone is salvation. Zambia needs a few good men and women to develop hold moral fibre and progress not this everyday nonsense
HOW CAN THESE PEOPLE GET PERMISSION TO PROTEST?
NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED SINCE CHILUBA’S VICTORY DANCE BY MMD CADRES.
Flash the Red Card use Red Card your user name.
The Archbishop of Lusaka Telesphore Mpundu hates our late President Levy Mwanawasa even in death and the best you bloggers here can do is to exalt this nuncio or whatever he is called. Let’s get real, Zambia is ours. The record of the Catholics with politics is a sad one check Aristide in Haiti or events in Rwanda disregarding other events over the centuries. The Catholic church in Zambia has become too political to be ignored and we need to watch them closely before it is too late.
hungry cadres shud be asahmed..hehehe..wellldone catholics..we need change in the way the country is being goverened!
74 Adviser, tell them again and again and again, the message will eventually home in……….
#65,66,67,69,72 and 39.. only chamba smoking’s followers can red card themselves after being chamba stoned:o lol
Adviser SO YOU THINK CATHOLICS ARE THE CAUSE OF PEROBLEMS EVERYWHRE? NO MY BROTHER, NWALAPENA TAT NGATAMUCHENJELE. YOU GIVE EXAMPLES OF HAITI AND RWANDA WITHOUT PROPER KNOWLEDGE. IF YOU DONT HAVE FACTS JUST KEEP QUIET OR YOU WILL EMBARASS YOURSELF. IT IS OKAY NOT TO AGREE WITH THE CATHOLICS BUT LYING ABOUT THEM WILL SEND YOU TO HELL
If you want you can hang!
The Pope will NOT do anything!
You paid up idi@#$ts.
If you are playing with catholics,ask KK,he knows them better.:-\”
RB is really desparete i have never seen a dying horse kick so much=))
79 Leave the Catholics out of this, we are talking about Father Telesphore and Father Bwalya here. The Catholics of the KK era fought for human rights, these two are fighting for their mouths.
I just think an endorsement from the Catholic church at this point in time – is not a good thing!!
#23 KING COBRA I dont know if you really follow events in the world. The Catholics had nothing with the start of the war in Rwanda. That war was started by General Kagame who is now the President. He shot down the plane that was carrying the 2 Hutu Presidents of Rwanda and Burindi. The Hutus reacted and started killing Tutsis. The Rwandese population is almost 100% Catholic so it was not Catholic against others but Tutsi v Hutus. On the removal of the Bishop, this cannot work. Remember Milingo was not removed, but only resigned
Leave as alone you pipo, what about the catholics in this dirty politics?RB and his men of different back ground should not pay anyone to make us hate each other.Not all catholics are against but only few individuals with hidden agenders are on the move for nothing, stay blessed and pray alot to God for guidance
Let them continue sodomizing the young boys and not cloud our minds with the useless Red cards
Who would want to be associated with Catholics in this day and age? Catholic priest = peadophile in my book.
Leav bishop Mpundu,what ever is saying is promoting christrianity is not a politician.I new Mpundu when i was a seminarian,is man who can give an info and advice,Go bishop Go.He has to protect the people is leading.Those who what to demo they are not catholics they are jst church gowers.Vatican will not do that you are jst………..?
BISHOP GO GO
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