The Citizens Forum says government should have listened to the Zambians when they called for the enactment of the Mun’gomba draft constitution.
This follows the failure of the Constitution Bill to go through second reading in parliament yesterday bringing to an abrupt end the lengthy constitution making process.
Mr. Kabanda says government exhibited arrogance throughout the constitution making process by taking advantage of its victory in the 1996 constitution amendment process whose out come was in its favour.
He says the end of the constitution making process at the second reading stage is an indication that the Zambian government cannot fool Zambians all the time and have monopoly on all matters of national interest.
Mr. Kabanda has since urged Zambians not to give up hope but continue demanding for a new constitution that will take their concerns into consideration.
Speaker of the National Assembly Amusa Mwanamwamba explained to the Members of Parliament yesterday that the failure of the Constitution Bill to go through the second reading stage meant that the 1991 constitution as amended substantially in 1996 will remain in place in its current form.
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VIVA nga naibuka you hear people shouting “WAY FORWARD”
this is a triumph for all our views that were thrown out of the Constitution Bill.
WAY FORWARD??
Ha! after all the money spent?
This news is not worthy the billions that went into this constitution making process. Income tax thrown in the wind just again when people are crying for medicines in hospitals, schools, and their stomachs are empty – why Zambia? Where are the people with brains?
This ***hole should just shut up.
yes that consititution did not represent people’s wishes the govt. removed alot of things suggested by people..the 50+1 is one of them they didnt include.
Bad kwena ba MMD you have taken people for granted. This is indeed a clear testimony that even within the parliamentarians, there are those who can not condone the nosense being exbited by their leaders. We zambian want a people driven constitution not the imposed one by RB and his minion
Some MPs have balls after all. This goes to show not all is well in MMD. Removing the office abuse cluase was really low for the goverment. Red lips your days are numbered.
This is just the start of things the opposition,civil society and NGOs have been vindicated
The draft failed to address the clauses which had been submitted by the Mungomba Commission. Maybe that’s why
Why can’t we amend the constitution piecemeal.I’m sure there are some aspects that all parties agree on eg. Dual citizenship,promotion of women,youth and disabled etc.The Mps can then vote on those aspects and those that pass go through.The controversial ones go back to the drawing board instead of redoing the whole thing again and wasting time and money.
What government should have done is a better job of explaining the constitution and building support for its key provisions. How many us here (…who are presumably some of the best read and most well-informed people around) truly know what the new constitution provided for?
Yesterday on this site we read that George Kunda told the house that “the Constitution of Zambia bill sought to preserve laws in existence before the coming into effect of the constitution as amended.”
Say what, George? A constitution is for everyone and if this draft was only understood or there to serve the interests of a few people in suits and fancy dresses then I say well done on parliament for rejecting the bill.
When are these wankers starting to write another constitution? How many constitutions have been written so far in less than 40 years of independence? Pathetic, ba kabwa!!!
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After all that money spent sure imwe bantu. Can someone from those who benefited from the costly exercise tell me what their feelings are now that it is a failure.I need an answer PLEASE.
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Zambians wanted a new constitution, govt listened, PF blocked it, the rest is history. Time to move on. Continue developing the nation MMD govt.
We can’t continue wasting money on constitutions every 5-10years. lets be serious and use the meagre resources we have at our disposal wisely. this marks and end to MMD reign. its time up and its time to go…..the writing is clear on the all. with PVT getting in place youa re done my friends. adamant arrogant, selfish, corrupt bunch of mercenaries. you had enough.
Iwe Capitalist, Zambians wanted a new constitution made by themselves. The MMD sought to cheat the people by pretending to be making a constitution for Zambians. Serves this F.oolish Kunda well.
An exercise in futility. We need to get rid of the selfish lot calling themselves politicians; both opposition and ruling. To start with, the exercise was doomed from day one because people like Michael Chilufya Sata made it a point to throw in whatever spanners they could to make it fail. When that did not work, he threw out of PF all MPs that supported it. When you count the number of MPs that did not attend the NCC, the number is less than a third. Therefore the document before the MPs in parliament yesterday had been supported by the majority. However, because people want to hold GRZ to ransom, it has been shot down; which is why the basic needs will always elude us. We fight over anything and cannot unite to fight for what is right.
Great.that draft didnt represnt wat the majority wantd.l salute the mps 4 ths giant step they’v made.viva zed!
My Zambia is full of drama and comedy. God save us through UPND
@ #18 Liungamoyo
What does it matter. PF has blocked the whole thing causing billions in sunk costs. It is now history. Time to move on.
You all wanted democracy well there you have it it dont come cheap
A flawed process from the start no wonder it has come to this. No surprises there. Billions of kwacha drained, Zambians thrown further in the abyss of poverty and RB wants another term what a nutter. 47 years of independence we are still failing to draft a constitution that favours the development of the Zambian people?
I am seeing a gross misunderstanding of matters. I note how it is perceived that MMD was making a constitution and PF was opposed to it. If democracy serves me right, MPs were representing the wishes of the electorate. So those who participated were instructed by their representatives, as much as those who refused to participate. The culmination of course is that the process died as a result of the will of both those who sent their representatives, and those who decided not to. Let us transcend party lines in national matters like this. Otherwise it appears as though we must all be subservient to the executive, which is an affront to the separation of powers.
Iwe #19 you must be one of the beneficiaries who looted the national coffers in the name of NCC. Sata rejected the whole thing right from onset because it was a circus. Who did not know what the outcome would be? All the important clauses which people wanted included in the constitution were rejected by MMD and only came up with the crap for status quo? What was rejected is the MMD constitution and not the Mung’omba people’s driven draft constitution which was heavily doctored by thes thieves in the name of NCC. They must made to pay back the loot from the national coffers. We shall reject them all at polls. Watch this space.
I don’t see any winner in this situation. If anything it suits the MMD as they have always won elections under the current constitution. What all the loud mouthed greedy MPs should have done is try and make an imperfect draft into a good one. How? By sensible free debates and deliberations in the house. Our current MPs are to say the least quite dull. As for these NGOs, to them it is an opportunity to ask for more money from their funders in the guise of helping come up with a good constitution. No country has a perfect constitution.
MMD IS LOSING THIS YR….THESE AR BUT SIGNS OF WHAT IS COMING AHEAD OF THEM.
Another thing, our MPs are not independent in thought. They are controlled by one of the 2 fossils, RB/Sata or that dimwit HH. So what do you expect from them?
#10 That is a very good suggestion.
What I do not understand is why some MPs were allowed to abstain. On a matter of such importance, every MP should have been given only two choices i.e voting for or against. Surely, The MPs who abstained owe the people of Zambia an explanation as to why they voted the way they did. They had had ample time to make up their minds. Abstaining is behaving like a chicken. The speaker should have applied the 75% requirement to the votes cast! Abstaining is neither ‘YES’ nor ‘NO’. They had disenfranchised themselves. That is how we vote for the President and MP’s. The same should apply in the parliament!
The MMD has 95 MPs. Shikapwasha should have said that the betrayal came from the Rebel PF MPs from which MMD would have sort support. With their support 2rds would have been reached.
MMD should be aware that if they had Chilanga, Mufumbwe, Solwezi Central, Bwacha, Isoka and Dr. Musonda’s (the shooter) consituencey, support from Mulongoti, support from Shakas, support from Mpombo; the bill could have gone through!
You chaps, what is wrong with you? MMD and some surrogate opposition MPs wanted to find a legal way of chewing tax payers money and that legal way was found by scheming and pretending to be working on the constitution. If they can not chew Zambian money, what kind of money do you want them to chew? Money from donors? No, chewing money from donors is too risk. Please just give MMD another 5 year mandate this year so that they continue chewing. Mind you they have to complete their programs. What programs? CHEWING.
Ba kuwe, elo nga mwalusa ama elections ati the constitution is faulty!! Yo r losing again ba PF na ba mumbwe ba UPND. Mwe mbushi mwe. The few good things this draft had also included a set election date, not depending on RB or other pipo, to the advantage of the opposition. It included many other items that had little to do with the party in power but to do with the marginalised youth and women. If anything, MMD would have stood to lose if the bill had gone thru. Ubupuba no bushilu are the only things that hav remained in opposition. In the old (current) constitution its easy to manipulate elections, the new one included clauses that were NOT going to make it that easy, now u hav made RB to win again. Baminyunya mamukukulu. Anyway, its 4 the better
Told you,dont trust your lives with politicians,they are well paid to chew taxpayer’s money just like you are well paid for always writting nonsense on LT at the expense of your employees,pa zed niku zitamangila chabe
Kabanda and his group should live above partisan politics. This was a national agenda and coined in this way by the person they always support now late i.e Levy now today they are saying we have been vindicated my foot! Most of the clauses were good in the draft and all we needed is to pass it and continue refining it. Our MPs and some NGOs wanted a perfect constitution which i believe can not be achieved in one go.The biggest problem is that people like Kabanda and opposition were looking at the draft in relation with the elections. This is the biggest problem coz the document was not about elections. It tells me that the opposition do not really oppose for the sake of Zambians but just opposing. Woe unto a nation whose leaders are not wise.
What a load of rubbish.” G Red Lips” Kunda Siliya andco will be writting constitutions every tens. Maybe their MMD mouth- piece, Dora “Zamtel” Siliya will say something constructive
Mayo dual citizenship yandi ine….
Any sensible person would celebrate this and salute those that abstained or walked out.
This man has antogonised a lot of his own MPs and expects their support? How foolish.
NOTE. RB in my nick name means someone Real Bluff . And bluff means prentending to be doing something, or making somoene believe your doing something, when in actual fact not, as in the case of the NCC. It has nothing to do with Rupiah Banda, OK.
38……………and all bloggers! The winner in all this is MMD becoz MMD has always taken advantage of 1996 constitution to win elections. So it is a BONUS to them, they are even smiling now. So for Mps to abstain or walk out means that they are not decided and you dont keep undecided people. MPs should clearly state their position. Yes the problem here is MPs and not George Kunda or Rhupia.
Don’t blame MMD or the Goevernment. Blame the oppostion. MMD voted for the Bill so that there could be a new Constitution but the opposition in their myiopic thinking refused. In essence it is the oppostion that does not want a new Constituition!
Poor organisation from the MMD camp, they should have talked (read paid) some UPND and rebel PF MPS and we wouldnt be in this mess. So no dual citizenship……Any way they tried the honest way….
PF twawina on this wasteful NCC!!!
Boo the “rebel Mp’s”
who shot down dual citizenship and greater representation for women, youth and disabled? Who shot down set election date of last Wednesday in September every five years? Who shot down stopping losing Parliamentary candidates from being appointed as Dcs and civil servants during the life of Parliament in which they lost? Who are the true winners and losers in all this? Has the International Citizen at No. 42 now got 50% plus one and a running mate?
“I find this chap’s claims and allegations appalling, grotesque and galling. And his lies are a product of a distorted mind. Hichilema is an incorrigible liar with a limping conscience because I have had no contact with this chap,” Mpombo said. “He is telling lies about the K10 million. He has never given me any money. I have been on my own since I left government two years ago and I have managed and I am still managing. Hichilema is just a cheap braggadocio.”
Mpombo said on several occasions Hichilema had sent overtures for him to join UPND.
“I outrightly rejected those overtures on principle because firstly, he refused to work with Levy Mwanawasa. Secondly, Hichilema is just an albatross hanging around UPND and he suffers from some debilitating form of political megalomaniac to the extent that he lives in self-delusion by trying to compare himself with US president Barack Obama and UK Prime Minister David Cameron on the basis of age,” Mpombo said.
He said leadership was not about age.
“It’s about maturity and capacity to understand issues and provide mature solutions. But Hichilema is too immature and inexperienced. What he doesn’t know is that Obama didn’t just come from the blues, he was a senator, even Cameron has a rich political history,” Mpombo said. “It’s not just about being young, it’s about being young and having a robust brain. The only qualification that chap Hichilema brings on the table is his role in the privatisation rip off, which has destroyed a lot of families’ and left him rich. How callous!”
Mpombo said unlike Obama and Cameron, Hichilema was just plucked from pitiful levels of political ignorance and ordained to become the leader of UPND, a move that had now proved to be disastrous.
“Anderson Mazoka was a legendary leader no wonder Zambians across the country voted for him in 2001 and cannot be compared to this inferior, immature and childish leadership that Hichilema is providing today. I was in the UPND of the Mazoka days so I know what I am talking about. In fact, it’s clear that Hichilema derives sensual thrill in taking over political parties whose founder leaders have passed on,” Mpombo said. “He forcefully took over UPND after the unfortunate demise of Mazoka and this time he went to my late brother Ken Ngondo’s All People’s Congress (APC). He was also hoping that…
No.43. Those are good questions but don’t expect answers from PF clan members. If anything you will be insulted. What they want to hear is that stuff about more money in our pockets within 90 days of Sata assuming power…..a perfect constitution within that t same period and many more stranger than fiction stuff.
No.44 what else do you expect from Mpombo. The man thinks he is Noah Webster!!!!
I would suggest we seek help from experienced organizations such as the UN in the constitution making process. Our constitution as it stands now undermines basic human rights and is geared to serve the interests of the political players. I assert that the average MP does not even understand the reason why a constitution exists, which is to protect the individual against abuse by others, including governments. That being said, there is need to engage more stakeholders, including those that are not well represented politically, if the document is to stand the test of time.
That chap went on vortex of vicious smear campaign against me and Mr Sata. But despite camping in Mutaba for four days together with his vice-president Richard Kapita and his entire national executive committee, he lost the election. He was the only president in that ward by-election and he lost. Surely, is that something he can be proud of? Did he see Rupiah or Sata in Mutaba?” Mpombo asked.
“That chap and his henchmen where camped at Shem Musala’s village dishing out money, bicycles and slaughtering animals but still they couldn’t make it. That in itself confirms that the chap has no national constituency. Hichilema should just consider standing as councillor in Kabulonga where he resides or somewhere else just in case Kabulonga proves to be an uphill battle for him too.”
Billions have been lost on a fruitless exercise what a waste. somebody needs to held accountable for this……..Nonsense
Mpombo said if UPND wanted to come back into political limelight, they should ditch Hichilema’s blunder-prone stewardship. He said Hichilema had failed to provide inspiring leadership as seen by his recent pathetic union with APC.
Mpombo said had Hichilema been a humble person, he would currently be president of Zambia.
“That chap without his misplaced pride and arrogance he should have been in State House now. When Mr Mazoka died he was called to State House by Mr Mwanawasa and told him that he wanted to work with him. Clearly, if that chap were humble he would be president and not Rupiah Banda. Cheap pride and immaturity is what will crush the youngman,” he said.
Mpombo said even with some coverage from the public media, Hichilema was still heading nowhere.
“He forgets that some of us are MMD and we interact with ministers and other senior leaders. We know what’s happening in so far as UPND and MMD are concerned. In fact, currently there are specific instructions to the public media to give him maximum coverage on condition that he is insulting Mr Sata and not RB,” Hichilema said. “No wonder, he keeps insulting Mr Sata almost on a daily basis in his quest to campaign for RB. He is not even talking about what he would do or his so-called socio-economic programmes he is so obsessed with
Currently, Hichilema is not any different from the likes of Chanda Chimba and Lifwekelo and all those lumpens working as Rupiah’s vuvuvelas. He thinks we don’t know the scheme; there are orders that the moment he diverts from the agreed position, which is insulting Mr Sata, he will not receive any coverage from the state media. Even on the constitution bill, the MMD is delaying to bring it up for debate in Parliament because they are currently in negotiation for UPND support to meet the two-thirds majority.”
Mpombo said UPND spokesperson Charles Kakoma had just confirmed his initial statement that Hichilema was campaigning for President Banda.
# 4 VJ Rigger and # 19 Saddistic Sata, you should really SHUT UP! # 26 Noah, if you are so intelligent, why have we not heard of you before on making the consitution that can stand the TEST OF TIME? # 30 The Man, stop, siya, leka FANTASISING! # 33 Clean MMD Cadre, wekampandwe wee! Your barin is as stnky as a skank! Why should the Zambians compromise for a peacemeal constitution review after this MMD sorry of a government spent K25 billion on this? This foolhardy MMD of a government has got it coming this year, believe me!
# 35 ZIONEKE, I repeat for your benefit we are in no mood for a peacemeal constitution amendment! The current draft constitution is not a document that can withstand the test of time and is not worthy a vote, period!
THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS THAT AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE PIECEMEAL AMENDMENTS TO OUR CONSTITUTION, NOTHING MUCH WILL BE ACHIEVED. WHAT THE ZAMBIANS WANT IS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A 50%+1 AND THAT EVERY ASPIRING PRESIDENT MUST HAVE A RUNNING MATE. I FULLY SUPPORT THE STANCE TAKEN BY THE OPPOSITION MEMBERS. THERE IS NOTHING PEOPLE DRIVEN WITH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND IT SMELLS OF GRAND OPPORTUNISM AND DESPERATION. IF REALLY MMD IS A PARTY FOR ALL LET THEM CONCEED THAT THEY MADE A MISTAKE AND ITS NEVER TOO LATE FOR THEM TO TURN BACK …. THOUGH I DONT KNOW HOW MANY THEY WILL SWAY TO THEIR SIDE. PERSONALLY I HAVE MADE A DECISION……I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT IS IN LEAGUE WITH GADDAFI, THAT IS WATCHING OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN SHOPRITE AND MINES SUFFERING. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH TWACULA PAFULA
Those chaps are in disarray because whilst Hichilema is denying, his right-hand man Kakoma is saying that ‘PF is no match to the MMD in the forthcoming elections’,” Mpombo said. “Does that sound like somebody is campaigning for his party? As things stand now, Hichilema and UPND have ruled themselves out of the contest and they have resolved to campaign for RB. I have been vindicated and Zambians should just be on the lookout because more is yet to come.”
Yesterday, Hichilema was quoted in the Times of Zambia as having said that Mpombo had no influence in Kafulafuta and among the Lambas in general.
Hichilema claimed that he assisted Mpombo with cash but refused to disclose further details on the matter. He advised Mpombo to be grateful to people that assist him when he is facing…
RED LIPS WILL PUT NYAMASOYA IN BIG TROUBLE BECAUSE THE CHAP IS VERY CUNNING.
HE WILL SOON SAY HE WAS JUST CARRYING OUT INSTRUCTIONS.
VASCO DA BAD GIVING YOU A GOOD CONSTITUTION,YOU MUST BE JOKING.
IFWE NI MICHAEL SATA AND PF COME 2011.
DONT WASTE YOUR VOTE ON SMALL TRIBAL UPND IF YOU WANT CHANGE.
VOTE SATA AND PF WHO ARE BETTER POSITIONED TO BRING CHANGE.
is MPOMBO credible? The Guy has Lost it. He is getting at any one whom he does not agree with. He is a bitter man……he is Dangerous…..BUT above all he is NOT honest and fit to be a public figure. Bouncing a Cheque is criminal and in other countries he would have been behind bars by now. Its ONLY in this country that we consider such finished POLITICIANS as HEROES. He is NOW thowing lies after failing to finish RB. He is broke….in 2006 he was decampaigning SATA…..that he is NOT presidential Material…and called SATA all sorts of names…..today he is saying SATA should rule…..this character has not principles…..ANYWAY he can ONLY f.o.o.l certain people not most of US who can remember.
55, how do you know I never made my submissions to the NCC? How did you expect to hear of me? Are you so dull that you are not aware that members of the public were asked to and (some)did participate in the NCC process without getting allowances. Stopping wasting your time with such cheap reasoning. It is a pity to have the likes of you representing our nation in the diaspora!!! If you don’t want peace, ask to be sent to Libya from where you are!!!! Nonsense!!!! Atase!!!
Red lip Veep start parking your bags.Your time is fast running out.Ulichipondo against the Zambian people.You and William Banda are the worst enemies of our beatiful country.Indeed the dogs have come to Zambia!!Shame on you Kunda!!
Just shut up Simon!!! What is your definition of Zambians? Is it that only those who agree with Sata and his disciples are Zambians? Even amongst the MPs, who are all Zambians, the majority voted for the bill even if it failed. So stop this senseless yapping!!!!
PF and UPND members who walked away from the vote should consider themselves as *****s for not considering a biger picture of the Consitution and not the 50+1 Only. Example is the law governing the Pension scheme for Civil servants which needed change. To tell you the truth my blood leaks when i think of these fools. My own sister worked in the ministry of health as a nurse for 16 years, died in 2005 after saving at Mansa, Chipata and Mazabuka District Hospital. Myself and the Doughter had to make several trips to Livingstone to get papers together and after spending on transport to Mansa, Chipata and Livingstone all we got was K8m which was far below what we used on these trips. After all this nonsence the clerk at the counter of the Pension House produced the Act enacted by th fedral Gvt
Foolish MPs’ you needed to consider the Artiles which would have changed in the living standard of the majority. As for the UPND Member i would urge the law inforcement agents to follow them up for stealing from the people of Zambia. What they have done is daylight Robbery, There not better than Kapoko
#43
The bill totally ignored pertinent issues that the Zambian people wanted included in the constitution. If MMD cared for its people why did they throw out the Bill of Rights article? Why would any serious govt not recognize shelter, water, health, education etc as basic human Rights?
The constitution was more than just 50+1, voting date, dual citizenship and delimitation.
The opportunity for making a good constitution was missed at NCC. We spend colossal sums of money on a futile exercise.
Govt is being disingenuous by blaming the opposition for defeating this MMD constitution. Despite the cost involved, I am glad the bill failed to go forward
Mr. Kabanda you are more ignorange than the people you are calling ignorant. You are just like the same *****s who walked away from an inportant National issue. Shame on you. How can you think so low?
POOR ZAMBIAN WITH POOR GOVERNMENT AND POOR PRESIDENT IN THE POOR PART MAKING TAX PAYERS MONEY IN THERE POCKETS.
THIS TIME KUYA BEBELE BAKABOLALA.RETURN THE CONSTITUTION MONEY SHAFULISHA ISHO MWALYA BAMATABA
Father Kabanda, the blame culture again, why didn’t you participate in the constitution making process in order to make it successful?
#10 valid point. in fact the current constitution allows for amendment of some provisions of the Constitution by parliamentarians e.g the Budget cycle change, save for those provisions that require an amendment through a referendum. The only problem is that constitutional making process in Zed is and has always been a money making venture for delegates/commissioners and as such we are made to believe that the whole constitution has to be amended when it is not necessary.
On orders PF MP in droves ran AWOL from Constitution proceeding in the Chamber
What this Desertion means to the dismay of all Citizens that sent them to parliament:
1)-PF desertion has killed hope for proportional representation.
2)-PF desertion has killed hope of increasing the number of constituencies citizens asked for.
3)-PF desertion has killed RB’s endorsed clause of Zambians in the Diaspora earning dual citizenship.
4)-PF desertion has refused the reinforcement of the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation.
5)-Instead the PF would rather have the recognition of homosexuality and lesbianism before supporting the Constitution of Zambia Bill.
Empirical evidence has surfaced that Sata ordered his MPs to kill the constitutional bills in preference for his sponsored 1996 constitution. Zambians know very well that the 1996 was a Sata sponsored constitution. Like he killed people’s aspirations in 1996, he has killed it again through orders on his MP to be AWOL in the chamber. Sad day for Zambia indeed.
All in all a country has and will have to run on the bad Sata’s 1996 constitution. Elections will be held on the 1996 Sata constitution, while going forward Governance will be on the bad Sata 1996 constitution, public policies on the bad Sata 1996 constitution while Government social responsibilities on the bad Sata 1996 constitution. This will be so until such a time all betrayers of public interest in PF have been dis-elected and are left moribund with their Sata in the dustbin of history.
# 60 CHI Noah, now I know one person, even though it is just by a blog name who contributed rubbish to the making of this failed and useless constitution review document! No wonder you are so heart broken and keep ranting about your foolhardy MMDs’ failure to dupe us. We wanted a constitution that can stand the test of time with presidential candidate being a majority winner 50%+1, a running mate for the president with a head on his shoulders to think independently not flip floppers like Chi Kunda, an election date enshrined, bill of rights to allow Zambians have access to good medical facilities, schools and social welfare.
Your flying RBish has failed to listen to advise even to his own detriment! So you get off your condenming an intelligent doctor with life saving skills like me!
To prove that the bad 1996 constitution is Sata’s own, ZANIS will run a video of 1996 Sata/Nawakwi dance on Parliamentary floor
The bad 1996 Sata constitution is where the devil incarnate himself and Nawakwi sponsored it and went wiggling on the floor of parliamentary chambers that Kaunda alala alala, Kaunda alala alala, Dipak Patel Alala alala, Simon Zukas alalal alala.
There is no way a normal person would condition his party vote on the august house including Homosexual rights in the constitution and knocking off the the preamble of Christian nation. Beyond his Satanic covenant with hell under demonic torment, perversion has just gone to the head of Sata. Surely are gay rights important than the
-hope for proportional representation.
– hope of increasing the number of constituencies citizens asked for
RB’s endorsed clause of Zambians in the Diaspora earning dual citizenship
– reinforcement of the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation.
-the 50+1 clause?
Since when did gay rights take precedence in our national interest for Sata to put a condition that its omission means a reversion to his bad 1996 constitution?
Since when did gay rights take precedence in our national interest for Sata to put a condition that its omission means a reversion to his bad 1996 constitution?
Even if you have sold your party to gays and turned it into a gays party, national interests ought to take precedence. Now elections will be held on the bad Sata 1996 constitution. All disputes thereof will be handled on the bad Sata 1996 constitution. Shame on Sata and PF.
All the money spent on this constitution must be paid back, we cannot afford to be throwing away money like that
The Red Lipped One sneaked in a number of clauses in the proposed constitution. Just as well it was shot down. Well done to all those who rejected the sham document. If I were Lupiya Bandason, I would fire The Red Lipped One for misleading me, and VJelian Rigger for failing in his duties as Chief Whip. This loss has just exposed how vulnerable the MMD is come September/October. Even if Lupiya does not dissolve parley now, the village is on fire…. wapya munzi bane!
# 73 TIME WASTING IS A CRIME AGAINST YOURSELF you are very dull! That response sounds more like from a b.um cleaner than a doc. Not everyone who contributed to NCC is dull like you, typical PF cadre!!! Do you think yourself more intelligent than all those who contributed? The fact that the bill failed does not mean the contributors were dull. You claim to be a doc just like your Shikulu Serpent claims to hold 2 degrees!!!
THATS WHY NEED EXPERIENCED LEADERS, THEY READ SITUATIONS BEFORE THEY HAPPEN. SATA KNEW AND TOLD THE PMS AND PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA THAT THE NCC IS A SHEAR WASTE OF RESOURCES. WE HAVE NOW WASTED 200 BILLION KWACHA, IMAGINE HOW MANY TESTING MACHINES AT UTH, ROADS AND SCHOOLS THAT MONEY WOULD HAVE BOT.
EXPERIENCE IS THE BEST TEACHER.
I feel sorry for us Zambians as we do not know when to celebrate.The 1991 Constitution as amended in 1996 when FTJ was in control heavely favours the party in power.Those who are celebrating the failure of the Draft Constitution will have a rude shock of their lives.By storming out of Parliament,they unwittingly played in MMD’s SCHEME OF THINGS.It is a win win situation for MMD.
TIME WASTING @ 55 & 73: It is apity we have such people like u on the blog. You should read other peoples postings and analyse them critically. If you really are objective ( i doubt this) you should know that constitution making process is an on going thing and countries with better constitutions continue to refine them.Look at the USA , UK, the Netherlands, our neighbours down south (who by the way are re-looking at their constitution), Malawi. How long has it taken them to have what you call a constitution that will stand the “test of time”. Look at the bigger picture Mr. Man and not just at elections or the hurry to put some dreamer in state house. Think of those who have parents one Zambian & one foreign, the disabled, those whose parents came from other countries and have since…
82cont… died and their children are being denied citizenship yet born in Zambia and thats the country they only know. Think about people in the diaspora who would want to vote and contribute to their beloved country and think about yourself may be at some point you may end up insome foreign country and coz of your investment their you would want a dual citizenship. You should know that constitutions continue to evolve with time. Do not even say Sata the dreamer new this NO. All he knew was whatever Levy came up with was not right. I am worried if people who a priveleged even to access internet are putiing their tools of critical analysis ( if they have that is) on hibernation . Mr. TIME WASTING you need to be out looking and look at Zambia.
inwe number 79, if you are more civilized show mature language in your blogging. Otherwise younthe one who is dull and not number 73.
Number 82.
your view that we need to look at the big picture is right. But do not agree that we can setup an NCC just to push MMD’s agenda and ignore the major factors that would have revolunized this country’s constitution.
It is a good lesson to everyone. You cant fool all the people all the time.
Nmber 81.
There is no MMD victory here at this stage. The MMD got its victory when they managed to hoodwink the zambian people that NCC participation was representative of all stakeholders when infact it was an MMD agenda by design. HOW, they made it impossible for well meaning guys to participate by not addressing the contentious issues. Rememeber the proposal for the Constituent Assebly, compositin of NCC debate, appointment of participants, etc…
The way i look at this issue of the bill flopping, i think it doesnt mean the vote is representative of the wishes of the lectorate. Rather, I think the electorate have been used as political pawns by the parliamentarians. If you are analytical, to a larger extent, the bill flopping is advantageous to the MMD. And when you look at it, actually the majority voted for it but the two-thirds majority could not be garnered. In all honesty, the UPND MPs should not have chosen to abstain. This was a matter of national importance and their voices needed to be heard as representatives of their electorate, they should have let their no be no formally, not to be cowards and indecisive. I do believe there is no perfect constitution anywhere in the world, just like there is no perfect president, hello?
Hey people i wonder if we understand why people go to Parliament. 82 & 83 outline a few matters which are of concerns. Parliamenterian go to parliament to represent the people and not there president. If some one stands up and says Sata said – then there must something wrong with his or her mind. The NCC was constituted to overhaul the entire constitution Article by article and not only the 50+1. The majority of zambian submited to the Constitution review process because they did not want the repeat of 1996 stuation where the review was targeted at individuals.
The draft constitution and the process arrived at may not have been the best of what we wanted but at least it had some clauses that were good and progressive and the majority were going to benefit. Yes the 50+1 was important but it was not the only thing we wanted in the constitution. so for me I think the Zambian people have lost out on some of the good things contained. if we are expecting to have all the good things in the constitution at one go, then it will take us another century. lets look at the good things in the draft and not condemn it completely. some have never even read the draft and are just following blind debates!!!