Friday, March 29, 2024

Wynter Kabimba labels UPND as a spoiler

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PF Secretary General Secretary Wynter Kabimba
PF Secretary General Secretary Wynter Kabimba

THE Patriotic Front (PF) has blamed the United Party for National Development (UPND) for its possible defeat in the forthcoming general elections.

PF secretary-general Wynter Kabimba told Radio Phoenix in an interview yesterday that UPND is going into the elections as a ‘spoiler’ party.

Mr Kabimba said UPND fully knows that it cannot win this year’s elections but wants to contest.

He also said any reasonable person in the country knows that the UPND cannot win the presidential election this year.

Mr Kabimba accused the UPND of trying to spoil PF’s chances of winning this year’s elections. He said the battle to determine who forms Government after the elections is purely between the PF and the ruling MMD.

Reacting to Mr Kabimba’s statement, UPND spokesperson Charles Kakoma described it as baseless. Mr Kakoma said his party will win this year’s general elections.

“Mr Kabimba should know that things have changed on the ground in Lusaka and the Copperbelt provinces.

The PF should not think it still controls the provinces. The UPND has penetrated the two regions,” Mr Kakoma was quoted as saying.

143 COMMENTS

  1. Sentiments raised by Wynter Kabimba that UPND will contribute to PF losses in Presidential Elections speaks volumes. Kambimba’s assertions confirm that PF hatched a pact with UPND just to gain Tonga votes for Sata; and HH was not considered as a factor of PF’s conspiracy to out-wit the Tonga after the elections. The pact was meant to use UPND as a horse, and PF as a joy rider to get the price after the race. The collapse of the PF/UPND pact is a nightmare for Sata and Guy Scott as the chief beneficiaries of this political business. Sata is exploiting perceived Bemba supremacy to his own game. History will soon reveal how Bemba supremacy gave rise to the birth of Luapula to set free the Ushi’s and Lundas. Food for thought for Ngonis used as ifipuba by Sata.

  2. #1 your comment is out of the way. I suggest you wait till we vote. HH’s party has instructions from RB to spoil the votes and he has been promised VP position after he gets rid of GK.

  3. #2 your analysis is very shallow, why should Pf be worried of UPND if at all its not a factor? is it not his same Winter who used to brag that PF can win on its own they dont need UPND. PF is feeling the heat, things have changed on the ground. its only fools who think political terain is constant. Let the best team win, all are political players no one should be seen as a spoiler. Just like in football, can you tell another team not to participate because they will reduce your chances of wining the tounament? its a competition hence all teams must be seen as competitors not spoilers. once again, let the best team win.

  4. Wynter, interesting observation from you about UPND especially so that you were in the fore front saying PF can go it alone and win elections. Soldier on and prove your statement. Politics is about numbers big man. This will even split the votes further and MMD is winning this years elections. What has happened to your 35,000 votes margin. A lot of people have registered as voters and its not right to use such statistics anymore. I advise that you leave UPND alone they are also an independent party with their own right to participate in this years elections. If u needed them u would have cherished mutual trust and equal partnership in the pact but you were superiors. Dont cry over spilt milk. Pull up your socks and re strategise.

  5. Mr. Kabimba is 100% right. UPND is a small tribal party and cannot win presidential election.This is a fact which even children and all right thinking Zambians know.
    Siulapwa is more intelligent than HH because Siulapwa knows that he cannot win,hence,his support for Rupiah.Unlike intelligent Siulapwa,HH has failed to know that he cannot win.The best HH and his southern province party can do is to support Rupiah and MMD as advised by his chiefs.
    BEWARE OF TRIBAL UPND IF YOU WANT CHANGE.

    • This has to be the dumbest Academic Warrior I’ve come across! Your statement makes no sense at all! Why urge people to “beware of tribal UPND” if as you say they are insignificant?

    • I like the respondents responses. No one of all 4 has even touched to Academic Warrior’s sentiments but all sound like angry Tonga men who feel their man HH should not be touched or mentioned in the same line with failure. No one of them has even denied that UPND is a small tribal party that has failed to tick beyond Mwanamainda. Even in Livingstone, the party exists on paper as RB and Musokotwane control the area. Both MMD. So, fellas, without malice, please respond with facts if you are to sound credible, or we blanket you as tribal sycophants just here to defend and protect HH, your fellow tribesmen. Who in their right mind amongst yourselves think HH will President after November?

  6. for sure, on a journey we dont board old buses in order to arrive early..we should not expect accelerated development with old & slow men over crowding the front…we need real change..

  7. There is no humility in our politics. If UPND is sincere about removing MMD from office, they must just swallow their contemptuous pride and join the revolution than be pretentious

  8. Wow! haters hold it – Just vote forb the devulor satan the serpentine and we shall vote HH. Let us chill till the winner is announced to see who the real spoiler in the equation is. You really annoying us you tuckers.Satan the devulor Serpentine is got an approaching expiry tag on his chest and hahaha I gonna laugh when he loses this year coz he will never stand again in his lifetime. Woooooo!!! Mwagunwa bakabwalala.

  9. #1 and 5′, Namulasa, this chap is the none who ensured that the pact fails. We are not fools to fail to read between lines. This chap Kabimba called names to the partner the UPND, among other names were; under five, tonga clan, regional party, etc. The PF even went to an extent to say that they can go for elections alone. LOGIC and common sense should apply beyond our desired candidates. SATA and his team went wayward in approaching this team. Its Kabimba who even went to an extent of floating candidates in areas where they agreed to float UPND. All this confusion came from PF. WHAT under the sun can a normal person do country men? QUIT!!!! VIVA UPND and HH for 2011!!!!!

  10. Its time to find a Bemba leader not this mobile coffin you are shoving senselessly. Its checking out this year come what may. I have indisputable evidence that its suffering intermittent heart shocks these days. A finalizing heart attack is on the folds.

  11. PF are the spoilers. For heaven’s sake, how can sane pipo parade a chronically ill man for presidency? Are we testing God or what? Are we stranded for us to vote for a 5-in-1 (sick-old-tired-foreign-homo supporter) presidential candidate when God has provided us with a clean, young, rich, energetic, God-fearing and 100% indegenous HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH? whom some of you have chosen to hate no because of what he is but because he is Tonga. Did he choose to be born tonga? Did you choose to be born swaka-bemba-lunda-lozi-kaonde-lamba-tumbuka-lala-mambwe? Only God knows why you are what you are. Vote HHHHHHH.

  12. Even grade one pupils now know that HH cant win this year’s elections. Ask the grade ones all over Zambia they will tell you that what they know is that this year’s elections are between SATA and RB. So if a grade one can reason this way what more the so called UPND elites. Dont spoil votes UPND be honest and swallow your pride just watch real parties PF and MMD battle it out. We need change through SATA.

    • It is normal for grade one pupils to think that way since the Pa Fwaka president is a grade 3 dropout. After all birds of the same feather flock together, the same is true for people of similar grades. Just prepare for the shock of your life. HH is winning this year. the sooner you accepted this reality the better.

    • It means you’re also a grade one pupil. What do you mean by saying spoiling votes? UPND was not formed to escort PF to state house. UPND’s dream is to rule this country, why should it help the visionless pf? Please people let us reason with our heads, can a normal citizen of Zambia wish to be in pf govt? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. Try another country not our beatiful ZAMBIA. Next time dont compare you embeciles(pf) to geniuses(UPND)

  13. Well thats PF for you. Typical for them to look for excuses for losing. If it not that the elections will be rigged then it is somebody else’s fault. Come on PF don’t be an ostritch burying your head in the sand. Things are changing and changing fast. In a democracy, everybody has a right to be heard and UPND, lose or win needs to find out its true porpularity through the ballot box. Nobody is a spoiler in a democratic dispensation. Change, should not be change for the sake of change but for good governance.

  14. I can see reality setting in PF`s bornes. Kambimba is a coward with no brains, the guy cant even remember that he is the one killed the Pact. How is HH a spoiller ? Lets say HH pulled out, (which can never happen anyway)) Can people in North-Western, Western, Southern, Eastern, Central, Copperbelt rural, Lusaka, parts of Northern province (Namwangas & Mambwes) vote for Sata? Never!!!!!!!! Kabimba should just prepare for Sata`s retirement.

  15. Mr Kabimba, please tell us why we should vote for you. Clearly you have your head in the sand, or are you now running scared. This is what scares people off the PF – even the pea brains among us.
    UPND are entitled to participate in whatever way they choose and I, for one, would never underestimate them. You do that at your own peril. Another concern I have about the PF is that they seem to have excuses even before the elections take place. They have hatched enough excuses already. MMD that, UPND that etc etc.

  16. I think Wynter is one of the Lawyers without a brain.Why does he worry about a party he kick out of the pact instead of concentrating on bringing democracy in PF.Its time time he suggested that PF went for a convention to elect office bearers than hand picked ones or a self imposed dictator.We are waiting for his say.

  17. Wynter why are you even wasting time on UPND, concentrate on the campaign, the populace is already focussed – talk about the reconstruction process post MMD, becoz it is a reality & no longer fiction!!!

  18. This guy is always trying to fight some legal arguments outside the walls of the courts when the nation understands he lost a LAZ case against a lady without any legal background.Its time he argued about democracy vs Dictatorship in PF .

  19. Winter, you have the Postnewspapers campaigning for you everyday with their naked propaganda and you were deluded by them, you are a bunch of shit for eating your own vomit. I told you that HH will finish the postnewspapers’ credibility and he has just done that. Stop the cry baby and campaign squarely. I have never head a zombie like you who insulted HH and all southerners because in your idiocy you thought there are no tongas who support SATA. Finish what you started man and grow up.Blame yourself and the Postnewspapers for your defeat.

  20. wapya munzi, let pf dance to its own bitter pill of discrediting and disrespecting others as under five. Stop complaining this year is the last but wasted chance after breaking the pact, take the blame than shifting it to others kwaaaa

  21. Voting for pf with Winter Kabimba in the heart of pf policy making is planning for genocide through tribal cleansing in Zambia.
    Peacefully let us prevent a possible Zambian genocide like what happenned in Rwanda by not voting for pf.

  22. it is too interesting to hear the cries of a person who had diarrhea of the mouth during the life time of the Pf/UPND pact. you go it alon and see if you are going to win this year. the adage says do not oppose greater forces becouse if you oppose greater forces you enchain yourself. why is UPND a factor now to thier losing this years election? has Wynter gone out of his mind. PF is saffering from statehousemia. it is a disease that affect people who are so desparate of winning elections and get into state house. let Wynter blame himself for the failed pact. im urging all those wanting to aspire president to go ahead. Zambia is a democratic nation.

  23. Kabimba, you found HH and UPND in place. Why worry this time? Both PF and UPND are escorting RB to plot 1. Vote splitting is mandatory.

  24. I wonder if there are still morals left in some people,kabimba should learn to humble himself if he cant then at a ballot box we will teach him how he should leave in society with other tribes,parties and individuals not what he is saying am very much sure he is the one who told Sata to change his languege on homo as the heat is on them,did you see kabwe rally,the heat is ON

  25. Wynter u r a disgrace to PF . Your sentments confirms that you are now losing support. Careful with What you say. Remember that u said UPND is not a factor. What has changed bro. In Kabwe you spent so much money to bring people to the rally so that you can out do HH.Bus , trucks from Copperbelt, what a shame a kabwe rally you bring people from Ndola . Wina azalila. That is cheating yourselves. Think again before your Father finall say something bad about you again.

  26. Site moderator, I am simply serving lives through stating the truth about having to put people of the Winter Kabimba type in the inner/state house governing system. What is there to moderator about that timely advise blogging to all loving and peaceful Zambians?

  27. Mr Ubuntu, if all grade ones know that Sata is winning this year, then it is a case of ‘birds of the same feather’, after all he is also a grade 3 dropout. The grade ones are simply recognising their fellow lower school mate. However ask all mature pipo and see if the answer will be similar to yours. Real change is only through HH and not any of the two 75 year olds. VIVA HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

  28. haters……wait and see how we ar sailing. why cant kabimba point out when he sees something wrong.mukapapa sana unomwaka.DONCHI KUBEBA syndrome is hitting u.watch out

  29. For the 1 trillionth time let me state the truth and I know it hurts – Sata will lose terribly come the polling day. Hahahaha. Waluza jabulosi mulala wakabacenga!! Haters I don’t give a toss about whether you vote sata or not. Go ahead and vote for sata and me and ma crew we gonna vote HH. Let us wait till the winner is announced then we know who the real spoilers were!! Sha!!!!

  30. Site moderator,Jesus Christ did not die for telling people what they wanted to hear BUT for stating the TRUTH .
    RB OR HH OR SATA mean nothing to me BUT GOD is everything I leave for, and what I leave for contains the TRUTH as well.

  31. Who is the bigger lose this year between Sata and HH? Hint one of the two will be 80 in 2016, 85 in 2021, 90 in 2026, 95 in 2031 and 100 in 2036. The other one will be 54 in 2016, 59 in 2021, 64 in 2026, 69 in 2031 and 74 in 2036. Wina azalila ngasazamwalila!!!

  32. What kind of stupidity is this, somebody wants to exercise their right and you call them spoilers, bribed, bla bla bla……what kind of a lawyer are you

  33. site moderator, what is there to moderator about my 3 bloggings and possibly this one as well -4? I know you are the gate keeper and you choose who to serve ,in this case you seem to have seemingly been exposed of who you would want to serve,MY GODLY ADVISE IS -SERVE THE MASSES FROM POSSIBLE ZAMBIAN GENOCIDE. 

  34. WINTER KABEMBA GROW UP! UPND was not formed for PF. You thought you were stars and could go it alone! UPND has a President, and you have yours. Get a life!

  35. Thats true, why does the under5 even say he cares for the people of Zambia, if he truely does pipo want change this year, why did he decide to break the pact (pipo’s only hope) & start attacking a fellow opposition party? Is that what been an opposition means to under5? I can’t the under5 this year & deep dwon hes heart he know he can never win & will alwas come out third position. shittttt under5

  36. Yes this young man HH is very foolish. Ati “vote for me because I’m young” – that’s not a reason to vote for someone. “Vote for me because KK says it’s ‘our turn’ in Southern Province” – also not a reason. “Vote for me because I’m very rich and arrogant” – also not a reason. Anyway I’m sure he has his reasons for spoiling (or maybe it’s the people behind him who have some kind of mental disease where they think they can win)

  37. PF supportersers concetrate on selling Sata. UPND was there before PF and they have a right to participate or not to participate in politics of Zambia

  38. Yes. Kabimba is not saying this from without; he must have seen thr reality on the ground. RB has already won. I do not know how the Post and faza walya will behave in the post 2011 elction time.How are they going to rank their judgements. The post used the mighty of the pen in 2008 elections, but RB still won. Faza walya is strategising as he has gone mute.This is after working so hard according to him. Truth is such that no one can hide it. Banda is working.

  39. Siulapwa is more intelligent than HH.The UPND/APC pact is nothing.
    The light weight politicians HH,Siulapwa,Milupi,Cosmo Mumba are in the same category and are all spoilers because the battle is only between PF and MMD,not Choma party.

  40. winter kabimba,you are a fool.its you who pushed the UPND out of the pact,you and your chief acted superior and there is no need for you to cry.PF should just continue to campaign and employ psychologists to prepare Sata for the on coming loss.Just remember this the mood on the copperbelt and lusaka is tilting towards the MMD.Remember your boss insulted the people of northwestern,western,southern,luapula and northern part of northern provinces(mpulungu,nakonde,mbala and isoka)wait for your shock

  41. It is not helpful for pf to pretend that the ‘upnd/pf pact’ break-up will not have dire consequences for them, on their chances, in the forth-coming elections. No one is in denial that ours is a minority government but a split opposition is guarantee that this will continue into another term.
    How would anyone explain this pf :
    1- An internal pf faction, which has virtually disrobed pf of Luapula, over a non-issue, which could have simply taken a word of reconciliation to patch-up and thus consolidate a stronghold.
    2- What should have been an easy alliance with a fellow opposition Party has, at the most inconvenient of time, failed.
    3- Cardinal Mazombwe election has come at the most extra-ordinary of time, which thing has thwarted treacherous machinations of ‘wolves in sheep skin.’

  42. This is very funny indeed! And this is the party that will supposedly bring development to Zambia in 90 days? Surely there must be something wrong with the section of the Zambian population that supports this tribalist organisation that does not participate internal democracy! So what is this man who was publicly insulted by HIS OWN FATHER actually saying? If UPND are just spoilers then why did they want to get into a pact with them and why is he wasting time talking about them instead of telling us exactly what they will do to develop the country, instead of the usual abbracadabbra more money in your pocket  and donchi kubeba nonsense? Did PF expect UPND not to participate in the elections simply because the pact to nowhere had crumbled? 

  43. oh ho ho came on winter..so PF is all about deceiving people, they think they can deceive zambians. Claming to be a big party in zambia, claiming to be more popular, what happened to your fake opinion polls saying PF would win this year’s election, one thing which they forget is that when it comes to elections, the poeple are the judge, zambians now know what they want, they can not be deceived. The post has lost its value and many zambians are now shunning to read bais medias. UPND has became popular its gaining popularity in Both PF and MMD strongholds..thats the truth. vote for real change not gonga and expired leaders

  44. Last week we were being told of the huge crowds in Mongu. In fact, in the minds of the usual suspects, RB and Thandiwe were already in Chipata and the ailing couple of Satanzania and Dr Kaseba were now fully ensconced in plot 1. Now you have this man who was publically disowned by his OWN FATHER saying that UPND are just spoilers but in the same breath says UPND is insignificant and is no better than NAREP and ADD! When will PF ever be consistent kansi? Seems this flip flopping is not restricted to the senile and ailing old snake.

  45. HH advised u at one time that if you have 3pin and u want to buy the last mug of chibbuku in a tarven that costs 5pin. You than decide to ask ur friend to contribute 2pin to enable u buy the mug before someone else does. Would u turn round and tell ur freind who contributed the 2pin that he was irrelevant to the deal and the mug of chibukku is all yours? Is it logical for u to claim that ur friend is a spoiler if he decides to pull out of the deal? Only in PF can u find such logic.

  46. Would it not be safe to assume, after the above observations, that Mr. Sata is fighting a futile battle that fate has sealed against him.

    How is it that Mr. Sata’s allies in the ‘Post’ seem to in fact work against him? Who has provoked Chanda Chimba’s spirit to be bold and courageous, to air to the whole nation, on a very solid ground, the ‘truthful’ testament of the ‘Cobra’s’ real character?

    God must be saying something here!

  47. Why does Mr. Sata lose political tact to consolidate his perceived popularity? As much as he is popular among a certain section of the populace, he has failed miserably, and with-out effort, to harness a good name among the people he has previously insulted or disrespected. In his own adopted Province, Northern Province, it is an open secret that he has been disowned by his highness Chiti Mukulu. He has offended many traditional chiefs across the nation. Clearly, Mr. Sata lacks basic re-conciliatory acumen and would rather be hero-worshiped than embraced.

  48. Wynter Kabimba would do well to concentrate on talking about the PF. Don’t copy the MMD style of talking about the PF at breakfast, lunch, dinner, ZNBC, Zambia Daily Mail, Timez  of Zambia, ZANIS and so on.  And this Kakoma sayz the UPND will win this year’z general electionz in Zambia?

  49. PF are always boasting that they are an expanding party and hence have a better chance to beat MMD. If you look closely at the 2008 election results you get a different story. PF got close to 200,000 less votes in 2008 than the got in 2006. More than 900,000 registered voters who voted in 2006 did not vote in 2008. What does this tell you? Had those 900,000 voters participated in voting PF wouldn’t be talking of losing by a small margin of 35,000 voter. PF together with MMD pumped in massive resources, including helicopters, in their campaigns. They used the same campaign gimmick of claiming UPND was a spoiler to discourage UPND voters. There won’t be a repeat of such tricks this year, UPND is on a row!

  50. ZAKA ZEE@ 26,27,28
    No Tonga shall ever go to plot 1, Dream in Tonga or in cattle no sane Zambian will allow a Tonga to be President. Make all the noises and ranting boy Zambia will always have the ruling elite and Tonga don’t appear on it
    Yes l am Bemba/Ngoni so it’s RB or SATA…full stop
    When MMD was formed we had bigger hitters , but only a Bemba was allowed to leader, and now we have RB from my village ..put up or shut up the whole lot of you…. 

    • its good your are opening up. No other tribe will vote for your SATA & RB. bembas wil vote for sata and ngoni wil vote RB and the rest of the tribes will vote for HH the reason why he will win this year’s election

    • vote for your bemba thief and easterner lier,this is how you rubbish craps will vote(tribalist),luapula,sata and RB,eastern Sata and RB,northern Sata and RB share these places we dont care but let HH get western alone,southern alone,nwestern alone,central alone,LSK and CB they will be shared,I now see why people say some of you are toooooo dull,just look at that catchment,who is a looser??????watch the space

  51. Based on my psting in #45(the more than 900,000 voters who voted in 2006 but did not participate in the 2008 elections) and the emergency of 1.3milion newly registered voters it is clear why only a fo.ol will doubt Kakoma’s statement that UPND can win these elections. UPND has performed far much better than PF in recent bye elections and they are attracting massive crowds at their rallies. Most political commenttors have taken note of the ever increasing popularity of UPND and they are now describing these year’s elections as a three horse race. So who is Kabimba to tell us otherwise?

  52. @46 Nick Mushota’s Pimp scotland

    Get lost with your tribal twisted mind. There is no doubt you are a frustrated bum cleaner struggling with life in the UK.
    I am a pure blue blooded bemba and I will vote for HH. I am tired of my people being used by some Malawians, Congolese and Tanzanians conmen to ascend to the presidency. It is f.ools like you who always think with your tribe instead of brain who have allowed such things to happen. Which ruling class bemba or ngoni has ever ruled Zambia you twit? Grow up!

  53. As much as the ordinary thing to do is not discuss other people people illnesses in public, it is a whole different issue when it come to an aspiring Presidential candidate such as Mr. Sata is. But without delving into the specifics of his illness, suffice that it is an illness that renders him incapable of fulfilling the rigors of the office he aspires to, is it not sufficient ground to disqualify him, as much as this does not augur well with his supporters? The best medical advice given him is that he should not over work himself. But of course his ardent supporters will have none of that. Reality is a greater teacher than a wish.

  54. in the first place wynter is not a factor in zambian politics, he is just a reject who have been rejected by his own people hence hatred for his own family and tribe (tonga) i have no better words to decribe such a character. may be it is because of his outrageous conduct befit him to be PF SG. he is a lawyer who should know that UPND & PF are two different clubs with equal rights to paticipate in any political activities. He spoiled his political career when his in mwembeshi 5 times. i think he lucking isikulu

  55. I feel sorry for PF. The writings are on the wall that this year will be the END of PF. They are losing elections. For such a statement to come from the SG, then they are sure that victory has eluded them again. By the way PF, it shall be very difficult for you to compete with HH because he is energetic and YOUNG.Your  Sata is frail and unwell. The heart disease is eating him up.He can not capaign vigorously as HH. Pliz find someone to replace bashikulu. Wina azalila this years. Remember my dear blogers that Sata used to call Mwanawasa the he was A CABBAGE and SICK and that nay time Mwanawasa would die.

  56. Mr. Sata is in the habit of spoiling his own chances, which I find highly amusing. I am of the opinion that that is precisely why he will never become President of this nation. It is just a natural outworking of his character.

  57. Let talk sense here.#46. You are slightly right. Unless Tongas and Lozis break away from tight trible linkages they will be voting for themselves……But again ..Bob sung:”….The lips of the righteous teach many….but fools die for want of wisdom……” how many people fail to see things even when they present themselves nakedly.Even the Post which once blossomed due to objectivity which they since decided to put aside can’t see.

  58. Mushota Street sweeper in scotland, You are a damn fool. Which Bemba has ever ruled or is aspiring to rule zed? Sata is Bisa, FTJ is Ushi/Shila/Ng’ombo/DRC, Mwanawasa was Lenje/Lamba, KK was from Malawi and never concealed that in the history books.
    Anyway you must really be frustrated with your job as a cleaner. Are you also a train sweeper like the devulor/Serpentine was in another life?

  59. Zambians: at each other’s throats like there will be no tomorrow; just for who will be president and rape the sh1t out the resources. We actually love foreigners because they are more better than us. And we can allow them to get contracts, money and father many children with our women, ooh ya, we love them foreigners. For as long as its not a Zambian, we are happy. So go on Mr HH, support RB, and you will be vice president, go on you lot UPND, support your alliance. Just remember, we are tired of MMD; even if there was new blood suckers.

  60. @ #63OrgasmTembo

    How many times do you need to be told that UPND does not support MMD and will never support MMD. The truth is that PF is another version of MMD and that is what us UPND supporters are against. WE don’t want the same MMD chaps regrouping under a different name to continue ruling us. What will prevent Chiluba and other despised MMD chaps joining PF if Sata wins? Aren’t they birds of the same feathers? Stop blackmailing us into supporting your UNIP era old generation MMD in disguise leader Sata! We want to retire the old tired UNIP era politicians this year and we will work hard to achieve that come rain or sunshine. Which foriegners are we supporting, is Sata Zambian?

  61. VOTE H.H FOR AN HONEST ZAMBIA FREED FROM THE SHACKLES OF UNIP AND MMD CRONIES WHO HAVE DESTROYED ZAMBIA FOR 20 YEARS. TIME FOR CHANGE THIS YEAR TO A YOUTH BASED TEAM.   VIVA UPND THE WISE PARTY GAINING GROUND IN ALL PROVINCES SINCE 2008.

  62. i totally agree with number 11, if bembas want state house at all cost its better they start looking for a replacement for sata otherwise they are wasting their time. infact it will be suicidal to allow another bemba thief to go to state house. intrusting a bemba with ournational resources is like puting a monkey to be captain of your maize field. if HH cant win so wat, the majority would have given ligitimacy for mmd to rule. the mahjority takes the day in a democracy.

  63. US BEMBAS ARE CRIMINALS,,TRYING TO USE WEAK SOLDIERS KAVIMBA AND M’MEMBEO UPND IS A STRONG PARTY,,THEY WILL WIN THIS YEAR’S ELECTIONS,,,VIVA HHHHHHHHHH MY GOOD PRESIDENT,,VIVA UPND,,SATA KABIMA WAWAAA

  64. KABIMA WANYAAA,,,THIS YEAR UZA NYAA MANINGII,,SATA GO BACK TO LAND,,ITS LIKE SATA HAS NO FARM IN THE WORLD

  65. We dont want another State Funeral,the Old Man should rest and instead put GBM as presidential candidate in the forthcoming election hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…….very loud laught indeed!

  66. sata is very old at 75years.He has only few days 2 live.we will be one of the waste zambian VIVA HH for rich zambia

  67. I commented yesterday on LT that Wynter was the mostly threatened individual in the Pact,because he knew that Sata would place UPND Leader in a strategic position – So Kabimba used all his energy to have the Pact distroyed. We all saw how he was yapping on Qfm about Pact partners.
    Alas – hes drinking his own chloroquine manje…

  68. KABIMA WANYAAA,,,THIS YEAR UZA NYAA MANINGII,,SATA GO BACK TO LAND,,ITS LIKE SATA HAS NO FARM IN THE WORLD,,,,SATA CAN NOT BE ZAMBIA’S PRESIDENT,,BY FAR,,HE IS JUST PRESIDENT OF HOMOOSSEUALISTS

  69. KABIMBA WINTER AND SATA MICHEAL WANYAAA,,,THIS YEAR UZA NYAA MANINGII,,SATA GO BACK TO LAND,,ITS LIKE SATA HAS NO FARM IN THE WORLD,,,,SATA CAN NOT BE ZAMBIA’S PRESIDENT,,BY FAR,,HE IS JUST PRESIDENT OF HOMOOSSEUALISTS

  70. # 1 what don’t you see that splitting the votes among the parties only hurts the opposition? If these votes were put together MMD can pack. But as the split stands, both parties will have themselves to blame. It seems the opposition does not learn.

  71. 46…!!!! Ask your relative who broughtyou here in UK to work as a cleaner, secuity guard or a prostitute,,, that Tonga is just a general name,,, ask your president with rotten teeth sata, will tell you the truth, Tonga made of Ila, lenje and tonga. Tonga is tribe on itself. if you no tonga will rule this country,, you do not know what you are saying because they had Mwanawasa, to you he was a bemba. Grow up with your problems in UK in care homes…….Even sata when he was campaigning in 2006 did mentioned above it that both Mwanawasa and HH are the same only him is from different tribe. it seems you just work up say something you not understand.. This is the reason now, they are saying HH will provide a turf fight because there is no Mwanawasa in Central province,,, watch your dirty!

  72. Wynter leave HH alone. He is too smart for your selfishness. He told you that he could not stand your reasoning and disrepect for the pact partner. Why don’t you understand simple language? You may as well wait to see how UPND will defeat your Party. The game is actually between UPND and MMD while PF is the spoiler.

  73. ***** Kabimba, you claimed PF could win alone and having UPND in the pact was just a bonus. What has changed now? A lawyer who has never won a case!!!
    Go to hell, leave HH alone, UPND was not formed to help PF but to deliver the people of Zambia from the jaws of poverty brought by MMD. All the old men will be retired this year, no hard feelings your Excellence RB, you told us you just wanted to finish Levy’s term and some of us voted for you, not again.Did you cheat us?

  74. If Zambia changes govnt its only wise that RB hands over to HH. Not your greed State House focused party.

  75. Nick Mushota 53

    ka *****

    dont bring your prostitution behaviour into national issues concentrate on your blow job business, the profession you know better

  76. My brother no. 77, Sata has no land to go to, no farm, no house in his own village.The old man has to retire this year coz he cant win an election.
    Wynter is just crying coz the going is getting tough for them.The thought they were smart. Watch the space!!!!!!!!

  77. No.53 your are out of yuor mind, just wait and see. You are a dreamer who need to wake up. Some of us who are Bemba will vote for the elite HH, not that old man who is a grade four. Is that you call elite you tribalist? State house is not for grade fours. We tried a conductor (elite)and you know what transpired. Watch the pace!!!!

  78. I would like to advise fellow blogers to be civilised when posting your blogs. No need for name calling. What does it benefit you. We are brothers and we just have one Zambia. Its not an offence to have divergent views. Its easy to notice that the SG in the name of Wynter has realised that things are not the same. Him and the Pf president have one vote each. Politics is about numbers.Let us embrace one another like brothers and sisters. Let the best man and party win this years elections. We ve 2 be tolerant. What ever party that will win, we shall still need to be alive. No one will decide to die because the party they supported has lost. Lets leave room for disappointment. Their is life beyound politics. God bless you & your families and I wish you well regardless of the party you suport

  79. Kabimba and your friend Fred M’membe, you are responsible for the break up of the PACT. You cheated Sata, who initially was ok. Just leave HH ALONE, He ows you nothing. We know how you paid people to attend the Kabwe rally.

  80. Have you already given up when we have just started? Watch the space Wynter, YOUR BIG MOUTH WILL NOT HELP YOU, You seem to be the know it all type, what has happened now? Just campaign my friend,.

  81. In this time when a lot is at stake and there is no way a HH is going to win why would anyone waste their vote on such a candidate? This is probably going to be a close vote, every vote is going to be an important vote. Most people who would consider voting for HH’s party, if they were voting for the two party they would vote PF, MMD and RB are hoping for a lot of UPND and HH voters. The thing is if you are unsatisfied with RB and do not want to give him your vote why would you give it to a candidate who can’t possibly win but by doing so your possibly helping RB win. A lot of people who voted for HH last time wanted him to win because of divergent reasons well since RB has been in office things have only gotten worse on a lot of issues and corruption is higher than ever before.

  82. While I admit and understand one not being happy with MMD or PF (some on tribal reasons) and many with the shape Zambia is currently in, I can’t understand throwing away such an important vote when their candidate can’t possibly win. The question will continue to linger in well meaning and thoughtful Zambians why would one their precious and vote in box if they know for sure that their candidate will just be a spoiler and even if the vote will count, but for the fact that it will bear no fruit, must considered spoiled ballot. It counted, not for what it was intended to do, but for nothing. Think wisely, not wishfully.

  83. No 91, thats how you fail to reason. Dont vote to make your candidate win, but coz you believe he is the right candidate and can do the job. The problems of this country has can not be solved by popularity but brains, which Sata doesnt have, sorry but its true. For me, if I believe you are the right man, I dont care if you get two votes, one from me and the other from your self. I will have execised my right to vote. Its not a waste, we are in a democracy.

  84. Hey blogers, a day in politics can change things. We still have about 3 months before we vote. Watch the space!! HH is gained suport at a very fast rate coz of the mesage he has. PF are campaining on a platform of popularity, which cant solve our problems. Like it or not, Sata’s understanding of issues is limited at a certain level, beyond which he cant understand anything, The old man has nothing to offer, let alone insulting others. Wina azalila!!

  85. 92

    Naimwe ba Kalos your thinking is questionable what future or Change can you talk about SATA. pipo like you have nothing around them only a tin of chibuku that is why you’re not cosiderate about your own future i wonder if you’re a zambian, you must be a tanzanian.

  86. @ #91-92Kalos2121

    So what makes you think UPND can not win? If you want to use the recent past presidential elections as a guide on how popular a party is have you ever thought about the opinion of the 900,000 voters who voted in 2006 but did not vote in 2008? What if the majority of then voted for HH? Do you really understand what democracy is all about? Why can’t you get it in your head that there are many people who niether support RB or Sata? Why do you want to suppress their voice just because you want to give your prefered candidate a voice? Politics of deception is not good baba. Just campaign for your old man and we will campaign for our man.

  87. In case some of you have no ears or eyes to read. Most UPND/HH supporters are people who are tired of recycling the same old tired MMD/UNIP era politicians. We want a breath of fresh ideas, we want leaders who can steer our economy forward. We do not want to replace the current MMD with the old Chiluba era MMD plunderers. We want a generational change in leadership, we all UNIP era politicians to step aside and let the new generation of leaders take over. We want to elect leaders who fit in with the current breed of leaders in the likes of Obama, Cameron, Mendelev and Kagama. We want issue based politics and an end to political thuggery and intimidation. We want to see a free Zambia were everyone can prosper regardless of age, tribe or origin.

  88. # 98, Zed Patriot, your sentiments are heard, but I would refer you to my first sentence on my second post. It exactly addresses just your sentiment. Sorry that you just saw my name, and you replied without reading. The issue is not liking or hating, but spoiling ballots on a candidate who does not know whether he is going or coming. HH knows for himself that tapali ifya kwe apa.

    On suppressing their voices, what voice will they have after their candidate has lost? Let tem speak,but ask them to vote wisely. I did not tell them not to vote, but to vote wisely and not wishfully the day after the elections. You state that Politics of deception is not good baba, can you state where I am deceiving people? Give points, not just arguments. I believe my statements are so compelling.

  89. # 99, yes that could be a brilliant idea, but why do you thing HH is not so convincing to the nation? Why do you think he belongs in the peripheries of Zambian politics? I will give a very sad answer. He built a small tribal party. His party is blended only to carter for the Southern Province, if that is what he has to offer as generational change, then he is better off singing at Choma Market. People tried to embrace the guy, but where are all those that were with him? What led them to leave the party? Zambians in most cases are not tribal, but when they see one doing it, they shun such characters. He can be educated, but if he is not educated enough to drop tribal inclinations, then he needs more education, probably he does not know how to interact with people.

  90. #100 Kalos2121

    I read and understood your statement unfortunately there is no logic in what you are sying. In a democracy you have to respect every political player and every vote counts so there is nothing like spoiling votes. HH stands an eual chance of winning as Sata or RB. HH’s popularity is increasing as demonstrated by winning bye elections and pulling massive crowds at his rallies. The 900,000 voters who voted in 2006 but stayed away from voting in 2008 are most likely HH voters who were discourage from voting due to similar tactics your are using now. We also have the 1.3million new voters to consider. So the race is open baba, just get real!

  91. @#101Kalos2121

    No
    doubt people like you who keep on peddling tribal arguments to discourage voters from chosing the right presidential candidate are ones who are tribal and think with your tribe. Can you tell us one tribal statement HH has ever made? Why are you conveniently blind to the numerous tribal statements attributed to your Sata? Why are you blind to the fact that PF is mainly supported by bembas? Why has PF failed to gain support in areas were there are no bembas, do you really think we are blind to that fact? Why can’t the likes of you concentrate on real issues instead of tribal nons.ense or the time? Don’t you really think tribal talk is what is going to make PF lose the next elections?

  92. Unless you say all 900,000 were Tongas. Otherwise, your statistical correlation with the few by elections UPND won will mean nothing. The race is on, no one is arguing the opposite. Two real candidates are contesting, the other one is a pawn and a spoiler who will never under the sun win. He knows that this time around he should be a cheerleader had it not been for pride. So, join him in cheering. After all it is your God given voice. In a democracy, we can even allow you to go on top of ZNBS building or whatever building and scream yourself to death, but HH will not win. You should as well start singing yourselves lullabies before your candidate slips into oblivion as that is where he is headed. There a proverb in Bemba that says, icitonga kumbali cilaitomona.

  93. General question. Very open. Which people are are most hateful and tribalist in Zambia, Bembas or Tongas? Ha ha ha ha ha ha. You have no shame bwana.

    When you say PF has failed to gunner support in areas where there are no Bembas, did you Southern Province?

  94. I am not tonga but one thing you should know is that an injury to one is an injury to all. We will continue supporting our HH but one thing is for sure even if he loses we will make sue Sata loses as well. You can shout your donchi kubeba nonsense as much as you like but we will also not not tell you who we will vote for. HH is young and can compete in the next 6 presidential elections but your Sata’s time is limited

  95. With such tribal arrogancy from the likes of Kalos2121 and his band of bemba tribalist bloggers there is no sane UPND member who can support Sata to win against RB even if the election battle was to be narrowed between the two. Sata and his PF gang are just a recreation of the old Chiluba era MMD. It’s time all UPND members and non bemba PF supporters taught these bigots a lesson by voting for HH. They have already demonstrated their true colours before getting closer to PF. Raise up for mother Zambia and stop tribalist from getting anywhere new state house. Hands up to our Mambwe and Namwamga brothers and sisters for resisting these tribalists!

  96. Zed Patriot, do you know how you sound now? Really childish. And in your own statement, you are now accepting what Kabimba stated – Spoilers. Thank you for your confession. In your anger, you even fail to answer very simple question about who is tribal and hateful in Zambia between Tongas and Bembas. How great? About HH being young, is that not exactly elementary school playground talk? How old are you? You see, when you have no points to discuss, it is better you stay away and wait until you find that which you can make sense with. Now you are just rumbling like some incoherent drunk. Can you honestly find sense in what you have just written. When you read my statements, you will not find any intonation of tribalism, apart from responding to your tribalistic rants.

  97. I like your statement of asking other tribes to fight Bembas. Loser. Only a loser can go to such extremes. Wayamba ukobola. Shipa man. These are politics. Wina azalila.

    Your statement about not allowing a tribalist not getting close to state house, did you mean HH?

  98. I got your arguments guys. now let me summarise before I go to bed. It is clear by Kabimba’s own admission that Sata and PF are losing this year’s election and they may actually come third. It is clear that Kabimba is big F00l and very stupid. everyone can see why including Sata. I will be suprised if Kabimba will not be pushed out of PF at this month’s convention. He is a big liability to PF and the opposition. The Post and its editors are bigger f00ls and more stupid. I can easily predict that Mmembe will spend this year’s Christmas in Jail. RB will win by a landslide. Even if HH does not take over in 2016, it will still not be a disaster for him especially that the man is young and probably does not really need the presidency. Good night.

  99. it seems pf lost the battle before it even started. this pf has no strategy, they expended their entire energy fighting both upnd in the pact and the mmd. they forgot that the real battle was yet to come. now they are exhausted but their colleagues in mmd have just engaged second gear, still picking up speed. and the money for urban roads was yet to come from mining taxes while pf sat back on their laurels believing that the mines don’t pay tax. chabipilafye ba cobra, uluse kuli ba mudala. awe mwandi, ni agony pa zed.

  100. please tell me, does anyone see any logic in what kalos2121 says? i have tried and found none. simply can’t understand his reasoning, and i am frustrated because he seems to be among the few pf cadres who possess some education and i expected a good reasonaed debate from him. but in terms of reasoning, awe mwandi na filwa!!!

  101. and msana wanzili, where are you? if you have gone to learn some reasoning techniques, please take kalos2121 with you, don’t be selfish.

  102. pf government, state what you have failed to understand. I will put it in the language you understand or probably simplify it to your level. I know a lot of MMD cadres make very wild and weird statements, you are not alone in this. Ask Capitalist or Senior Citizen/Veteran. They are as poor as you are in terms of understanding what all the people have understood. Why do you think RB is having the problems that he is facing? He was used to speak in gibberish like you are doing, but people have reached a different level that your MMD team can lie about any more. So, get over it. Where did you see any people that does not have certain level of understanding make sense of what advanced level people are discussing. Be happy, you are not alone. It is the all MMD party.

  103. Don’t you remember that people told RB not to sell Zamtel, did he understand? People told RB not to buy hospitals on wheels, did h understand? It is an MMD ills. All of you don’t understand. It is a consolation for you, but unfortunately, it is costly one for the nation.

  104. Kalos2121

    You are just a typical low calibre PF blogger I am not going to waste time arguing with. It’s clear for any sensible person to see that you have no creditable reason to convince any reasonable person to vote for your Tanzanian candidate. The more you use tribal trash in your argument the more non bemba voters will make sure your old sick man loses.You can say whatever you like but we will make sure we save Zambia from Sata. Just as Kabimba has admitted you can not win on your own. It’s our democratic right to vote for HH and it’s not our job to escot some egoists to state house.

  105. Just a reminder to refresh the minds of those who have forgotten:
    Sata is not our messiah. Post Newspapers- Wednesday September 13, 2006
    The Post Newspaper Zambia Dangerous Bemba tribalism, 13 September 2006
    The Post newspaper’s editorial put it: ‘[Sata] is a populist who will say what he would never do in power …… ‘Dangerous Bemba tribalism’ (editorial), The Post, 13 September 2006. ..

  106. # 117, and your point here is… You have not answered my question. You want credibility? Ask HH, he has tonnes of credibility, that is why his party (personal to holder party) is not even a factor to Zambians beyond, I repeat, Mwanamainda. If that is tribal, tell us how many seats his party has in Lusaka, CB, Luapula, Northern, Central, Eastern, Western, if that will not only be counted on one hand. So, get your jive and dance since your belief is no different from your leader and his now complete internetless blogger – Maestro.

    Your arrogance as a party and probably as a people has made you to be relegated to third tier politicians not deserving a Presidential hopeful. Now, if you think your rants bother me, as I know your hate for anything Bemba, you are wasting your breath.

  107. #119 Can you answer all the questions I have asked you above instead of rumbling like a person intoxicated with tujilijili?

  108. After reading your statements on #118, it is now evident that you are freaking tribalist who does not only hate Bembas, but is deeply jealousy of them too. I am not Bemba, but from Luapula, but I have no reason to hate Bembas, Kaondes, Lambas or any other tribe in Zambia, but those that show hate for another tribe like your people does towards Bembas. Get over it, you are in a civilized world. When will civilization dawn n people like you? When will you realize that Bembas have done nothing to you, but you hate them for being Bembas? Thank God, you are a tribe that is not white, my fear is that your people would have been a KKK people because of your hate. Or probably would have tried tribal cleansing to get rid of Bembas. Are you Nazi reincarnates with hate on Bembas?

  109. UPND have parliamentary seats in Southern, Central, Western, North Western and Lusaka provinces. According to some ‘very intelligent’ bloggers the people in all those areas are tongas. Interesting observation, no further comments!

  110. I see no question anywhere, or probably you are so immersed in hate that you feel you are asking while you are just attacking Bembas. I answered your question why PF is not popular in your area. The other questions were so childish that I trashed them and ignored them as they added no value to anything about Kabimba’s statement. Did you really expect me to answer this question and I quote: “Why are you blind to the fact that PF is mainly supported by bembas?” It is like you are saying your party UPND is the national party. I felt sorry for you after reading this question. That is why I did not respond to your irrelevant questions.

  111. #122
    So that is what you have to say about Fred Mmembe, great. That is equally an accurate description about you. It’s interesting to note that most PF tribal bloggers like pointing one tribal finger at others while four other fingers are pointing at them. Most of the things you say about others are an exact description about you.

  112. Do you get headaches when you think? I said how many seats? How many in Luapula? How many in Central? How many in North Western, and how many in SOUTHERN Province? Yes Southern? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha that sounds really funny. The Province that embraces everyone and anyone. This is really laughable.

  113. #123
    Your description of childish is rather bizarre. I presume it’s a reflection of your level of maturity so I won’t waste time asking for more. The bottom line is if Kabimba thought PF can win on it’s own 6 months ago why is he claiming that UPND will make PF lose to MMD? No doubt he is feeling the heat from UPND. He is aware that UPND is gaining ground in Kabwe and Lusaka and he has now realised that PF is slowly losing their so called stronghold. Spoiler? Well that is your own problem to sort out. We are in these elections to win and we are not interested in helping out anyone else. You can insult us as much as you like but our message is clear, we are retiring the the UNIP era politicians and effecting a generational change.

  114. I have wasted too much time on your rants. I have not seen or written any insults here, but facts which some of you are allergic to. So, let me do what is good for my family rather than discussing with the Nazi reincarnates full of hate for anything Bemba or just the language which has not done or will not do anything or any harm to you. Even the language itself knows that you hate it. One day it will ask why you hate it. Enjoy your hatred for the Bembas. After all they do not care whether you hate them. They will keep on doing what they do most, remain jacked up. Not walking around with radios on their shoulders.

  115. Desperation is really twisting some people’s way of thinking. When you refuse to support UNIP era old recycled politician you are accused of hating bembas. When you support a young dynamic leader with a clear vision for developing Zambia you are accused of being tonga or a tribalist. When you choose to exercise your democratic right and support a leader of your choice you are accused of being a spoiler. When you remaind them about Fred Mmembe’s articles in the Post Newspaper about their tribal old leader they claim you are a Nazi hater. Interesting characters we have! Anyway the good thing is Zambians across the country have ignored the tribal hate mongers and are listening to the real change message. This year we will retire some comical leadership pretenders for good. It’s democracy

  116. It’s been twenty years since the introduction of multiparty democracy in Zambia and yet some people don’t understand the simple basics about democracy i.e. choice: the means for the people to choose their leaders and to hold their leaders accountable for their policies and their conduct in office. Every Zambian has a right to choose leaders of their choice without any emotional blackmail or emotional bullying. It follows that supporters of HH must not be subjected to emotional bullying by calling them tribalist or spoilers. Let them freely participate in shaping the destiny of their beautiful country.

  117. Keep dreaming # 37 MMC Chliebabes, #38 Cellphone Banda and the almighty Academic Warrior. Sata is losing ground in all his perceived strongholds. Why do you think Winter is now crying oput in public. Ur Pa Fwaka is going down wether you like it or not. No amount of insults or hate from pea size brains will take the Old Sick Lion to state house. Get this SATA WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT…………………..

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