President Sata names Committee of Experts to Review Zambia ‘s Constitution

1. NAMES???

2. It would be helpful if the names of the persons appointed were included in this article. As it stands it is meaningless because we already know that this is the roadmap that has been proposed.

   • I have seen the names. You mean you have not seen them? How come.

   • read further & u will see a CLEAR LIST OF NAMES!

   • i personally think u are very dull

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3. Sorry about my post above; I was too fast for the Zambian Optic fibre network! I will study the names and comment if appropriate!

   • u are still very dull nothing personal

4. Wow it seems like Willa Mungomba is becoming an expert in this ha (Constitution review)
   ? Anyway i like the assembled team.

5. Gorge mpombo on the  list

6. Here is my contribution; 50 plus 1 for presidential vote…we dont want a minority President rulling the majority, reduce the powers of the president…etc

7. #1 and 2, scroll down! problem is you rush into posting without reading the full story.

   • The rest of the information did not appear on the original article. i.e. The names were not included!

   • The names did not appear on the original article hence the comments from 1&2!

8. This looks to be a very good way to go for Zambia. Surely we have had a lot of reviews, its time to have a solid constitution in place. I love the way it has been put hope all important submissions will be considered. I am sure we shall have something impressive for to guide the nation towards unity and prosperity.  

   • This also shows that Sata is busy working at State House. No wonder he is not travelling. Good man.

9. Y not Egg Egg or Mr HHHHH

10. there are no learned tongas in the country.this man is very tribal why not appoint anyone from southern province this commission is corrupt and will not adress the needs of zambians

    • by posting such a post you are exhibiting tribalism yourself.

    • big brother is watching,let the committee fail so that he should not say i corporated all provinces …….

    • You are such an a.s.s.h.o.l.e!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • hey shut up,who tod u that if tongas or pipo frm southern re nt included then the program whot wrk?stop lukn on trible line,evry1 z zambian

11. With all these tasks ahead of the inquiry it makes sense to have the constitution ready more than 90days.And we’re looking forward a new one,so its goodluck to them

12. EXCELLENT AND COMPETENT TEAM!!!!!

13. Much as I think that the names proposed are generally well regarded, I am left to wonder if HEMS has advisors who can tell him ‘how things might appear’. I refer particularly to Chief Luchembe – I don’t know him or his background. For all I know, he might be a Constitutional expert. However, in this case, and in view of the current tribal balancing issues in the country, it would have been worthwhile to maybe get a representative of the House of Chiefs as is the case for the Bishops (18 above). People will rightly ask – Why Chief Luchembe? Isn’t he Bemba? I am Bemba by the way, but a Zambian above all.

    • Why chief Nalubamba in the Mongu commission of something? Jesus Christ come and help us; everything Zambian is doubted; everything foreign is accepted. Chief Luchembe is Zambian.

14. @ 5 Pan Africanist; all those points are already in the draft constitution and people submitted those in the all previous commissions….All the same i also support your points..

15. not a fair one…most issues will not be covered mr MC sir….but its a good way to save millions of Kwacha

16. I agree with 10(umwaume). MCS should be sensitive by what has transpired so far. Please choose from other regions. I am in Northern Province but I feel we should startn thinking about others.

17. i dont support the 50-plus for president as it will be costly and too much of copycat.lets come up with our own make.why is the president mention 3 cartholic bishops.he should have left it to the 3 mother bodies ,episcal,christian council,and independent churches to chose who to respresent them.why are the same people been given too much resposibilities like,DR CHONGWE,WILI MONGOMBA,MINISTER OF JUSTICE,and i dont see any tonga bull name(stand to be corrected)otherwise its very much balanced.

18. Thats the way to go.We trust they will do a great job for Zambia and must not consider a person in mind when drafting the constitution.Be fair to this country and its future.GOD BLESS ZAMBIA.

19. Mr President, well done!! you have shamed your critics esp those who think you lean towards the ababemba speaking tribes. The team is well balanced and they should not spoil this opportunity given to us to come up with people driven constitution. This might be the most important legacy you will leave behind for our great nation. BRAVO!!!

20. This is what successive governments have failed to do? This is a step in the right direction and i am confident we can finally a constitution that will get wide acceptability and move on to creating better lives for the bulk of Zambians.

21. Surely ba Sata – how do you appoint Annel Silungwe in the 21st century. This committee is full of geriatrics!!!

    • You definately have serious issues with senior citizens. Are you questioning the President’s ability to rule this Country on account of age?

22. Some poeple who failed us in the past? Will, mvunga and alll

23. You people you are saying bemba so even where its due people should be fearing kust coz one is bemba. whats wrong to have chief Luchembe in there. Ask for his qualifications if you like. You wanted chief mukuni orHanjalika. This type of thinking won’t take us no where. We need to be analytical. Others will say Silungwe is from mbala but forgetting that he was a chief Justice for a long time may be the longest saved. Just name the people from those companies unlike saying Associate we need to know the individual just like we will come to know the bishops when nominated of course bishop Banda very intelligent.

24. now you are talking. if you continue on this path, be asured of my vote in 2016.

25. :-(

26. Timeframe matters your excellent and furthermore what about the reps from other churches?

27. 3 catholic bishops?what about from other denominations? Islamic council of zambia for example.

    • He should include pentecostal churches, Jehova’s witnesses, 
      Problem is that MCS thinks we are all catholics

    • Zambian is a Christian nation and not an Islamic one.

28. No to start a flame war or anything of that sort. I must say that this is a good committee.

    Can someone tell me if my chief from Northern Province on this list is the Head of House of Chiefs if such a body is still operational? Please don’t read what I have not typed , just a simple answer to a simple question

29. The way this country is being run is scandle. I am glad I am getting my British passport next year if all goes to plan

    Bye Bye zambia

    Thanks

    • Mushota u keep making me happy day by day. Will u marry me after 10 happiness episodes? I’m handsome, mature, good looking with a British accent 2 impress you. I hail from Zambia. I’m falling in love with you **singing

    • MUSHOTA, PLEASE GO FOR GOOD

    • Mwi ponta mukabwela….:)>-

    • Scrubbing and bleaching away the dark skin mama?

    • black on the outside white on the inside:sad to be a britsh object from the colonies

    • black on the outside white on the inside:sad to be a British object from the colonies

30. Polarised Committee replete with Kolwestan ancestry. Shem for Zed. Give us our BRE

31. We totally agree with you Mr. President. You have really shamed those who criticise from tarvens. Guys why can’t you, for once, just say this is good, without bringing in tribal issues.
    I like the terms of reference for this team.

32. Everything is for Bembas now…!!!

    • No muslims, no hindus, only catholics how about the other religions and pentecoastals like BBishop banda, Imakando etc

33. Since Tongas are busy looking for Tonga names on the list, please include some if possible. Why not say Sata is tribalist becoz He has not included Lenjes or Lozisnor Tumbukas but always its the Tongas who want to complain. Zambia we should be very careful with some of our Tonga brothers like HH who is always looking at why Tongas have not been appointed. In leadership always avoid to work with people who are not loyal, they can just poison you be carefull. Otherwise let as look forward to what these experts will come up with. Let us put behind Tonga or Bemba and let us concentrate on building mother Zambia regardless of where we hail from.

34. Thanx to our powerful President H.E.M.C for listening to our cry. We have seen a lot of progress within the shortest period you have been in power. Don’t Kubeba

35. Three catholic Bishops????????????????????????

36. i cant see any representation from EFZ is it deliberate?

37. By the way who is paying for all these people on committees and commissions of enquiries.Can the president also tell us how much they are getting per sitting instead of just constituting useless inquiries.I can see Dr Chongwe is on both the Mongu riots enquiry and the Committee for the constitution making.Are there no other firms that are credible to do this work or is it one way of paying back to Dr Chongwe.This is now geting in my nerves

38. #28 MUSHOTA IF DUAL NATIONALITY IS ACCEPTED IN THE NEW CONSTITUTION
    YOUR NEWLY AQUIRED BRITISH PASSPORT WILL BE NOTHING TO DRUM HOME
    ABOUT.I HOPE YOU ARE NOT GOING INTO A FAKE MARRIAGE WITH NICK JUST
    TO GET A BRITISH PASSPORT,MIND YOU HOME OFFICE NAOW REQUIRES A
    2 YEAR WAITING TIME TO ASCERTAIN THE MARRIAGE IS GENUINE AND NOT BOGUS!

39. can someone tell me how many commission of inquiries have been set up since Sata became president and what is the budget for these commissioners or how much tax payers money is being used to fund these.

40. WHAT ABOUT BISHOP JOSHUA BANDA?

41. OH ! YOU HAVE LEFT OUT THE CHARISMATIC PREACHER IMAKANDO,
    SURELY HE CAN MAKE SOME GOOD CONTRIBUTION.AFTER ALL
    CHILUBA DECLARED ZAMBIA A CHRISTIAN NATION WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT.

42. This is not the final constitution zambia is producing. The composition of the committee means that many pipo are not represented.

43. Its a pity every good move has to be tribalised!! Anyway, this committee has been formed by re-appointing former members of past commissions in order not to re-invent the wheel and waste more tax payers money. Of course I’m disappointed with return of Mrs Zaloumis of the scandalous NCC but I guess she has learnt that it pays to listen to people’s views and not George Kunda’s otherwise the list looks eminent and I hope the outcome will reflect our wishes. By the way, #26 madam Matale is representing one of the church mother bodies, while the bishops will represent another…I don’t know about the third .

44. OTHER CHIEFS WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED
    NABWALYA
    KOPA
    CHIBEZAKUNDA
    KAMBWILI[MWANYA]
    AFTER ALL THEY ARE ALL BEMBA/BISA CHIEFS

    • Oh sorry sir the chief was not selected on the basis that he is chief but that he is an expert in that area sorry.  

45. This is a very powerful team.
    Well done Micheal

46. Why appoint pipo who has failed in the past (Mrs. Mwangala Zaloumis,Mr. Ernest Mwansa and Rev. Susan Matale) these pipo where part to the failed constitution – the so called Zaloumis Electoral Reform Technical Committee what new ideas are we going to get from them and Mr. Prisido 7 days is too short a period to submit the report.

    • I do not think Rev. Susan Matale was part of the people who attended the NCC. Correct me if I am wrong. The Rev is a principled and well respected person. CCZ did not participate in George Useless Kunda led NCC.

47. Tule teeka bafikala ba Bantustan

48. MMD Bootlicker, I like ur new found attitude! U seem objective in ur posts now. This is a good start 4 the constitution process. I wud have loved 2 have Elias Chipimo Jr coz he is a youth and a very competent lawyer on this committee.Let us not be tribal or start meking insinuations coz the constitution is 4 all Zambians!I hope we have learnt from our past mistakes on this n these people will deliver a people driven constitution

49. Polarized indeed – Why 3 Catholic Bishops as if Ba Katolica is a supreme denomination..Another committee packed with Bemba’s in a country of 72 tribes… At this rate division and segregation will be the legacy of Michael Chilufya Sata… Shameful

50. #29 PF Cadre and 31 Kizito, I wonder what you would be saying if the Chairman (Silungwe) and the Vice (Sakala) where actually Bemba…you just check for either bemba or tonga names on any list, even if its a Mrs, it means she’s bemba to you. The level of tribalism you display is quite nuaseating to say the least, get a life and get over it you tribal baboons, Tonga is not the only tribe in Zambia.

51. I have no problems with the List.

    But if I could make changes, I would have Removed One Catholic Bishop and replaced him with a Lawyer Politician from the Opposition. Secondly I would have replaced one guy from the civil Society with a Journalist, Even Membe himself (wouldnt have minded much)

52. I think this President needs to have his brain re-examined.There is definately something wrong his thinking.THE MAN IS NOT WELL! period. I suspect his brain is ovewhelmed. He’s never stretched it to these levels before. As a colonial cop there wasn’t much to use it for, apart from reminding him to spy and wip on the guyz were fighting colonialism.Iam beginning to feel sorry as opposed to feeling angry for him. He’s really sick.

53. #14 Shi Mpundu, we re on the same page i guess….I addition we need Dual citizen enacted…the ‘revised’ constitution must give Zambians in diaspora more say in running the affairs of OUR country..stuff like be able to Vote…

54. WELL DONE PRESIDENT SATA !

    • Democracy is democracy when it is in your favor when not it is something else. Do not forget that PF was in opposition just a few days ago and where they felt it was fine they blamed the MMD. Yo are entiled to your own opinion.

55. For once you Bantustan guys needs to give credit whee ts due…you behave as if youdont stay in zambia. every well meaning zambian is very happy with this budget…why only you upnd chaps wants to discredit whatever HIS EXCELLENCY comes up with? zambians are watching and if you lose again in 2016, i wont be surprised. nansoni muliye…kalyeni tyala mabis ku Magoye!

56. # Mufana Mufana, I suggest you take a long and hard look in the mirror, maybe just maybe you will see who needs to have their head examined. Your post is quite worrying…..

57. Little did I know that it is only the catholic church which has got the clegy the rest SEVENTH-DAY,PENTECOSTALS AND OFFCOUSE THE JOHOVAS WITNESSESS they don’t have.Secondly little did i know that Lozis Luvales Tongas meaning people from western,Northwestern and southern were not part of zambia only Bembas.Any how shame God forbid only God knows.I rest my case for anyone to judge.

    • Susam Matale is from a church organisation.

      Mwangala Zaloumis,Prof Munalula,Lifuka and Susan Matale are Lozi,which Lozi do you want included/

    • You need some serious study really, I hope you know what you are talking about. Here only professionals are invited. Its not a constitution for Kantemba or of a certain tribe or church its for the Zambian people. If it wont be acurate it wont be accepted just as the previous one wasnt. Tell me one the pastors who has gone for such a long training as those Bishops, who have tried to speak for us all, who cannot bend towards any authority even if you bring in Chanda Chimba, and how many bembas are you seeing? God bless you 

58. 3 catholic bishops? Christian nation preamble in severe danger!

59. Why is it always Tongas and Lozis who are fighting with Bembas and vice versa? There are 73 tribes in Zambia for God’s sake. I am a Mubemba Nkonko but I am getting sick and tired of the nonsense from the three tribes. Zambia is not only about us but about all the tribes.Get on with it.

60. There are no Youths on this list, just old-grayhaired grandpas. Shame on you data

61. since most of the submissions have been made to previous constitutional review commissions, i like it that the committee is full of experts. they will surely get the best for us from all commissions before. am proud to be a Zambian. Good luck ladies and gentlemen.

62. I am and will never be a fan of PF and Sata. All Zambia’s problem have been due to the fact that the country has a bad constitution which gives the president TOO much power. I hope and pray that the people appointed can finally give a country a constitution which will enable Zambians to have rights, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and not to forget development.

    We wish them luck and support. may the almighty bless them. We have a chance to show the world that indeed we are the leading bacon of democracy in Africa.

63. This riddle was posed to Sata and HH during the time they were lodging their papers to run for president of Zambua, listen carefuly: “There is a mute person who wants to buy a toothbrush. By
    imitating the action of brushing one’s teeth he successfully
    expresses himself to the shopkeeper and the purchase is
    done. Now candidates, if there is a blind man who wishes to buy a pair of
    sunglasses, how should he express himself?
    Sata – gestures by covering his eyes with his hands. HH – “The blind person just has to open his mouth and ask!” And Zambians proceeded for vote for Sata. Let them enjoy their sour grates silently, kupusa ngako!

64. Those against the committe can hang!!!! This is the best we can do as Zambians @ Mufana you must be crazy, how do you talk like that no one will support your sentimentss.HATERS CONTINUE HATING!!!

65. Why do we have only Catholics sitting on this pannel? Is this a Catholic State? We need other denominations represented as well so that our interests can be safeguarded in the New constitution. One from Catholic is enough and then also from other interested groups.

    • Only God knows Why. I like your comment it is unfortunate people can reason.

66. Excellent Team H.E. MCS, but EFZ, ZEC should have been represented.Elias Chipimo would have been a nice team member,also House of Chiefs president etc…This is where you could have put Bishop Edward Chomba and Frank Mutubila and Fred Mmembe so that he learns to live with people also….Mathew Ngulube is very smart – not too old as Anil Silunger……These are my comments..anyway..its your prerogatuve but not late to make changes…

67. #58 The Engineer (Australia) 

    How ironic, isn’t this the same constitution implemented by your RB and MMD, the one you were praising a couple of months ago.

68. there are 73 tribes in Zambia and the list only has 20 people. The 20 were drawn on professionalism within there expertise not on tribe. Maybe there is no Luvala, illa, tumbuka, lenje, soli, kunda, lala etc but why should Tonga be an issue. You can’t draw 20 people from all the 73 tribes. I’m sure if it was to be a constitution of cows and bulls, Tongas would have topped the list. Unless there is a Tonga, it is tribal. Tongas I think it is just too much of tribalism

    • It is not a matter tribe but regional representation. Are sure only northerners,Luapulas and the muchingas are the only pople.

69. @Punch Drunk Cobra, you said it before I could. I wanted to say ‘bye bye Christian Nation Declaration’ like bye bye polio. If that happens though, just know that will not be the last constitutional review we shall have, because the GOD of heaven that we worship shall never be mocked.

70. Why THREE Catholic Bishops? Who is representing the Evangelical Fellowship? Why ONE chief?

71. Three Catholic Bishops!!!!!! It’s a Catholic State Now!!! Wapya baisa ba Cobra

72. Why are Dons like Ndulo Muna and Hasungule missing from the list. Rudwing Sondashi wouldhave been a better inclusion as well. I hope these pipo are not out to empty the State coafers like was the case witgh NCC. Why is Dr. Rodger Chongwe appearing on this Commission before he finishes the Barotse Agreement of 1964 which he is chairing. Its long time I heard of Justice Silungwe where has the old man been hiding. No wonder I have seen some construction at his Mutende Rd residence. Big Silungwe I salute you.

73. Why are Dons like Ndulo Muna and Hasungule missing from the list. Rudwing Sondashi would have been a better inclusion as well. I hope these pipo are not out to empty the State coafers like was the case witgh NCC. Why is Dr. Rodger Chongwe appearing on this Commission before he finishes the Barotse Agreement of 1964 which he is chairing. Its long time I heard of Justice Silungwe where has the old man been hiding. No wonder I have seen some construction at his Mutende Rd residence. Big Silungwe I salute you.

74. Oh, I thought Prof Hansungule would have been part of the team, a constitutional lawyer/expert??

75. Why 3 Bishops and no Clergy from other denominations. 3 Catholics. If the Bishops can humble themselves and allow others to be repersented as well. Tribe, im colour and tribe blind.

76. Thanks Mr president.this is the way to go.

77. I like the way the president is involving every one in national duties.

78. @46 Uwakwisano

    First of all u made a mistake. Baboons are not Bantustans but belong to the Kolwestans. Which of the two do u belong. Tongas, Lozis,Luvale,Lundas, Kaondes are called Bantus. Going by your *****ic warped reason Kolwestans shld continue leaving us alone we are merging. currently our chiefs are meeting to secede. U shall need Visa to enter our newlyborn Barotse comprising Western,N/Wester,Central,Southern and Chipata. Bamwisa

    • Get a life and please change your name to “Bantustan for life’, not PF cadre. You hate Sata and PF so much why use their name? Sata started PF why do u want to use his party’s name? Go comfort yourself with Maestro he he he who is still in mourning…..

79. Full of lawyers why??? It not a well balanced team.

80. **==**=**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==**==
    Please leave my president along what wrong with you,every day you talks about tribal,tribal
    go to hell if or leave this country ata,some of you you never going to rule this nation.Go Sata Go
    .

81. DOES IT MEAN ITS ONLY BEMBAS WHO NEED JOBS? THIS COUNTRY WILL BE UP IN FLAMES BECAUSE OF THIS TRIBALISTIC PRESIDENT. WHY ONLY BEMBAS? OTHER TRIBES NEED JOBS AND ALLOWANCES ALSO. THIS PRESIDENT IS FULL OF HATE FOR OTHER TRIBES ESPECIALLY THE TONGAS,LOZIS AND LUVALES. HE FEARS THE EASTERNERS. THATS WHY HE GIVES THEM SMALL JOBS TO HOODWINK THEM. GOD BLESS THIS COUNTRY

82. We have never had such a president like you Sir.You are so uniuque and very well meaning zambian will definately like this.You have named a very good team and these are the men/women who have experience and am pretty sure they will deliver to the expectation of zambians.

83. In the number 20
    you can not fit all Zambia’s tribes, you can not fit all professional bodies, you can not fit all churches. Zambia is too big. What is important is the competence of the people on board, which is not necessarily technical. Zambia is too big to start crying foul each time you hear the word Bemba. Tribalism starts with you the moment you judge somebody by his tribe or the absence of a certain tribe. Zambians you are all the same. It was ba tubulu, it became Lambas, the kumawa and now it is Zambians. For one I qualify to be Zambian not by which tribe I belong to or don’t belong to. H.E. MCS good team if they fail we shall judge.

84. :-@
    Tell them off,i like that, they don’t know that boma ni boma.

85. @Ex-Husband Lazy in Bed

    U r mentally shortsighted. U vividly seem to negate existence of other tribes other than the perceived tonga and lozi threat. watchout for the imminent barotse revolution. we shall exterminate all of you segregationalists. To my fellow Bantus lets continue uniting against these Primates that quickly climb trees upon seeing bantus and imagine they are above board in everything when in the actual sense its fear.

86. @ Tell them off

    Its u to leave the country coz you migrated from somewhere via tree and found bantus. by the way u shal now need visas across Bantustan land. Viva Barotse

87. :)Muswema tell them ata.

88. Bafikala ba PF, your tribalism is soo nauseating. This amounts to tribal nauseating.

    This country is made of 73 tribes period. Why are names only from Eastern, Western, Luapula and Northern. Mwanya…tukakumona mambala

89. CONGRATS! PLIZ DO IT FAST

90. Katima
    if to tell you to rule this country can you do that, dont think is the same to rule cows ok

91. UNAPOLOGETIC TONGA
    how make sure we trace your Email no matter what,don’t insult.

92. @78 Muswema

    U r right to say ‘Zambia is too big’ thats why we want it divided. Give us our Barotse govern ourselves and remain with your part sha!

93. @26 Do you want Sharia law?

94. Why 3 catholic bishops? This team is imbalanced, other churches only represented by one Susan Mutale, just because the pres in catholic. Vatican are also colonialists u know..

95. SPIRITUALLY WHY CATHOLICS BISHOPS ONLY..SAINTS BREAST FOR THE WORST..BE CAREFULL..ITS A SQUEEZING TIME…!

96. The list is good but would has been better had President Sata not included Chief Luchembe, cos that smells of tribalism which why I can’t problem people accussing Sata of tribalism. Also why the catholic bishop only? My guess is cos the catholic supported his election and his catholic. You can say this is the same rationale used by President Sata to appoint Chief Luchembe a bemba. I urge well meaning MPs not to ratify these appointments, instead fight for an all inclusive representation.

97. @Tell them off

    its not about tracing email bt doing right. u r guilty for wrong actions of your president. N/western has no single representation. where is the balancing up?

98. catholic bishops are objective. EFZ are petty and only think with their bellies.

99. Yes yes boma ni boma

100. Silungwe has been High Court judge in Namibia since 1991

101. 1. WHY ONLY A BEMBA CHIEF? AND WHY NOT A CLUSTER OF PARAMOUNT CHIEFS? DOES THE HOUSE OF CHIEFS STILL EXIST?
     2. I ALSO THOUGHT THIS COMMITTEE WOULD INCLUDE SOME DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF SOCIETY WHO ARE NOT NECESSARILY LAWYERS!

102. # 83……its not possible to include all the tribes.You have to look at people who can perform bt tribal.Tribe Yobe ngataya joba then dont expect someone to be appointed.Be serious!!!

103. Munalula,Zaloumis lifuka and Matale are Lozi.Matale represents a church mother body.Why the fuss?????

     • Lifuka is not lozi, he is from Luapula, Suzzana Matale is not Lozi she is married to James Matale who comes from Namwala.

104. The team looks great. But my worry is that why put Three Catholic Bishops? It is true that the Catholics and the Post are the ones ruling us now? Please let some one explain to me. Why not not give chance to EFZ? Muslims? SDA or other independent religious organization.

105. IS THIS BEMBA CHIEF EXPERT IN CONSTITUTION MAKING PROCESS? IT SEEMS OUR PRESIDENT IS DRUNK WITH TRIBALISM IN ANYTHING ALWAYS PUTS BEMBAS WHY NOT PICK FROM HOUSE OF CHIEFS?

106. Why Catholic bishops and not other congreagtions??!! Why Bembas and not other tribes??!! Why Christians and not Muslims??!!!! Why lawyers and not other professions??!!! Why Chongwe and not Hansungule??!!!! Why a chief and not whatever??!!!! COULD WE FOR ONCE LEARN TO SHUT UP AND MOVE ON WITH LIFE!!! THIS IS TOO MUCH. AND WHILE YOU ARE BUSY LAMENTING AND COMPLAINING AS IS COMMON WITH ZAMBIANS IN PARTICULAR AND AFRICANS IN GENERAL) OTHERS ARE MAKING MONEY. AND WHERE IS THIS NEW ‘TRIBAL’ TREND COMING FROM ANYWAY, WE ARE ZAMBIANS AND WE WILL ALWAYS BE ZAMBIANS SO FOR ONCE, LET US LEARN TO LIVE WITH THAT!!

     • Observer, what tribe are you??????

107. Once again another disappointment with SataPFon the way forward for the Zambian constitution. The composition of the so called team of experts is defective. Bloggers equally say so. Not everyone mentioned on this team is the right people to sit on this committee. I would like the Church to speak on this composition of the committee. EFZ, ZEC and the Catholics through their spokespersons. The House of chiefs to speak out on this composition of the team. The opposition to speak out on this composition of the committee. Sata has simply expressed his opinion and its up to Zambians to pass this motion in parliament or else the Zambian constitution is still a pipe dream.

108. There is no representation from the women’s movement..what a shame!!!!

109. It is a good move but one remains to wander if the committee is going to do well.Why pick only three bishops from the catholic church only?Why has the president left constitution lawyers in the likes of John Sangwa and Dr Sondashi.I will suggest that they include even pastors from the pestocoastal churches as well.

110. What justification does one have to leave out the only and leading Zambian Constitutional authors like Muna Ndulo and the likes of Statutory instruments experts Hansungule, Sondashi, Christopher Mundia? where is Bishop Joshua Banda?, Imakando, Aka etc kwene iyi ni flop. I expect Sata to again reverse the decision…wait for more drama.

111. OK…WHATEVER!!
     1.50 PLUS 1 PRESIDENT
     2.CABINET TO BE APPOINTED OUTSIDE PARLIAMENT
     3.NO DEPUTY MINISTERS
     4.BILL OF RIGHTS
     6.ENHANCE INDEPENDENCE OF JUDICIARY
     7.DECENTRALIZATION
     WE NEED ALL THIS () BY TOMORROW MORNING BY 10:30 HRS. PARLIAMENT CAN SIT FOR 2 HOURS FROM 08 00 – 10 00 HRS and SATA can be given 30 minutes to SIGN
     ———-> OR ELSE???

112. Why three Catholic Bishops specifically? WE DONT NEED SECTARIANISM.

     They should be appointed in their individual capacity based on their individual accomplishments just cos they are bloody Catholics! We are not a catholic kantemba!!!

113. WHATS SPECIAL ABT THE 3 CATHOLIC BISHOPS,HOW ABT PENTECOSTALS,UCZ,BIC,EFZ AND OTHER CHURCHES,I KNOW BELIEVE WHAT THE SDA PREACHES ABT CATHOLICISM-TRUE THESE GUYS RULE THE WORLD,THEY ARE THE BEASTS OF REVELATION.THEY HAVE CAUSED SO MUCH PAIN IN THE WORLD I ALSO AGREE WITH GEN SHIKAPWASHA ABT CATHOLICS BEING BEHIND RWANDA GENOCIDE,THEY KILLED INOCENT MAN PATRICE LUMUMBA AND MILIONS OF JEWS THRU HITLER,ITS NOT FAIR WHAT THIS MAN HAS STARTED DOING.

114. Are their appointments going to be revoked?

115. Who’s chief Luchembe? Why some chief from northern province and not any other province? This tribalism never ceases to amaze.

116. i am a bemba man married to a tonga woman,we have 3 children together and i have1 child 4rm another woman.4rm what iv experienced since sata bcome president iv come to a conclusion that we dont seem to get along with tongas,my wife is very uncomfotable coz the hate against hh has been transfered to all tongas which is not ok in my view.i voted 4 sata n my wife voted 4 him too,but shes regreating,i keep asuring her that i wil neva hate her or any tongas or indeed other tribes,please i beg u my bemba tribes men lets stop this hate lets leave sata and hh to fight there own battles PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

117. And the three bishops will also be bemba (nothing against Bembas) – just don’t like this level of foolishness!!! Imwe sure RB and MMD was kicked OUT ka – for lack of sensitivity!!!  
     Civil War and anarchy follow when people lose hope in leadership: pls do not take Zambians for granted!!!!

118. What about Divo Katete? The man divorsed the wife when he was appointed by the late LPM to be on the committe

119. Wats wit te 3 catholic bishops

120. I agree with 27, WHY 3 Catholic Bishops who do not even know the Bible? How about other churches? Is it because MC himself needs favors because he is catholic? It is not very fare really. This man is so unrealistic in thinking.

     A big tribalist in day light.

121. Those of you accusing Bembas of being tribalist just because of President Sata’s antics are not being too emotional and therefore failing to reason. Yes some of his appointments are questionable but Bemba does not start and stop with him. If you look around you will find that most of us do not even marry our Bemba women or have only Bemba friends. Are you telling me Felix Mutali or Nevers Mumba are tribalists? Give us a break please.

122. Those of you accusing Bembas of being tribalist just because of President Sata’s antics are being too emotional and therefore failing to reason. Yes some of Sata’s appointments are questionable but Bemba does not start and stop with him. If you look around you will find that most of us do not even marry our Bemba women or have only Bemba friends. Are you telling me Felix Mutati or Nevers Mumba are tribalists? Give us a break please.

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123. #106: Only a person who knows the importance of time could make such a comment. You made my day. Here in developed countries they disguss issues, but they get on with it, work and implement. So when you see the petty issues in Zambia, you are bound to ask. Weldone. Amaulesi

124. Did the Catholic support the declaration of Zambia as a Christian nation? You could be playing with fire here.

     Other than that team looks eminent. their experience will minimise job on training.

     As for tribalists, please have a life. May be you lack self confidence.

125. jealous down just give respect to the president where its due, on this one he has done a great job, he has appointed a well balanced committee full of competent people we know. As for our Tonga brothers and sisters here who are still crying fool i wonder where they see tribalism on that list because most people who on that list are not even Bembas. advice to all Tonga people of this blog is that think beyond your tonga tribal mentality and stop showing your anti-social behavior. Its time to develop Zambia

126. this guy.MCS has picked the catholics because hes catholic. what is wrong with this man. why doint he balance from another church even one from UCZ and ,ONe from Katolika and the SDA or any other chursch. whats up Satan

127. Good evening

     This looks like a good start to me. It is also a good thing that people will be given a chance to participate. It’s good to have a Head of State who recognises the importance of involving the civil society in such important national affairs as Constitution making.

     I wish we could for once refrain from using the tribal tag. Does it really matter how many Bembas, Lenjes, Tongas or Lozis are in the commission? What matters is that people from Zambia are working together to put in place a constitution that will benefit the collective society and not one tribe. At the end of the day, we shall all be proud of their achievement.

128. Why is it called a technical committee ? All these people non of them is an Engineer????

     • For your information, the word technical is not only applicable to engineers.

129. . #46. BUSHE MULOMFWA ICISUNGU? “The President said the committee shall draw up its programme of work and submit the same to the Secretary to Cabinet within 7 days of its first sitting. The President has also directed the committee to submit the whole report to him.” HE SAID A PROGRAM AND NOT THE CONSTITUTIONAL REPORT.

130. ALL U PIPO COMPLAINING ABOUT THE BISHOPS- ZAMBIA DOESN’T NEED THE 10% TITHE CHURCHES AS THE THEME OF THIS GOVERNMENT IS ‘MORE MONEY IN POOR PIPOS POCKETS’, AND NOT SOMEONE WHO COMES WITH THE TITHE IDEA TO STEAL FROM THE LITTLE THE POOR HAVE. IN ANY CASE THE CATHOLICS PLOUGH BACK INTO COMMUNITY IN FORM OF SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS AND COLLEGES.

     • Spot on! Not these fake bishops out to steal from poor people ati if you dont tithe you wont get blessings. There’s a whole lot of them who have made big business of ‘the name of God’, you see them on tv, trying to get politicians to their churches for the fat mutulo. Fake prophets, thank you MCS for leaving them out of the constitution making process. They are fake fake fake!!! The catholic bishops while not true but at least they are not in the church business for money. Abash tuma fake bishops, prophets whatever they call themselves….

131. #114, Nubian Princess! very soon the committee shall be revoked. So fellow bloggers no need to get excited as this is by no means the final list. Tyola boyd milimo.

132. When you fight a fool people will think you are also a fool. I would like to advise my level headed friends not to respond to any form of tribal attacks. It is very shameful. Secondly, there are some people who have failed to move on with the election of Sata as president. Let us not allow ourselves to be drawn in their misfortune. Let us be object and not subject. Zambia needs a constitution and the competence of the individuals handling the process counts more than where they come from. At the end of the day it will be a constitution for all Zambians. Lest make Zambia a better place. Some people have failed to move from being a tribe to being a Zambian. Lets not waste time and energy responding to cheap criticism. 

133. Yes, the list is generally ok, it has a lot of eminent persons. However, personally, i have question marks on Chief Luchembe and the 3 Catholic bishops. I would have loved to have a chief chosen by representatives of house of chiefs. maybe a chief from northwestern province would have done instead of chief luchembe, seeing that there is already too much talk about bembas being ‘favoured’And it would have been good to say 3 clergymen from the 3 church mother bodies, who in turn would have chosen who to represent them. Again, the youth are left out. Chipimo Jr should have been part of this because at the end of the day, this is for the good of all Zambians. Otherwise it’s all good.

134. it is a good start at least you have proved your critics wrong! Zambians in diaspora WANT to invest back home hence do consider DUAL citizenship in the new constitution.

135. How come there is only one chief and he is from Northern province. What about Eastern, Western, Central Southern……. Last time i check there were 9 provinces.

136. Why should Sata give 3 seats to catholics and leave out other church organizations like the evangelical fellowship.Does Sata want this team to tilt the draft to his wishes? And Muna Ndulo should have been included. Ndulo helped the Kenyan government come up with their current constitution which has given some hope to the Kenyan people.

137. Indeed, to all those of my Tonga countrymen and women who are looking for and not finding any Tonga names on the list, how about this: Neither is there a name from my tribe, nor from my wife’s tribe, nor from my closest friend’s tribe, nor his uncle’s tribe, nor my co-worker’s tribe, nor my pastor’s tribe, etc, etc. Why do you think only Tongas deserve to be represented in anything that Sata appoints? Are they the only tribe in Zambia? Why are Tongas forever whining? There are many, many, many tribes who have not been named on this list, yet Tonga’s are the first to complain that they have been left out again! Very queer people indeed!

138. Those that object to Zambian views being expressed about Sata conspicuous trible appointments of Bembas are not true to themselves and un patriotic. There is a nation chorus going on about Sata’s appointments weighing one side. The constitution making is important to us who have a long way to live and our children. How does Mr Sata include this vital process with his Bemba syndrome appointments and less known personalities in Zambia to the exclusion of constitutional lawyers in the land. My appeal to Mr Sata is to reconstitute his team with a wider consultation for it to be acceptable nationally. There is a high risk that this will not go any where should he not take hid. Mr Sata is aware that the last govt wanted it done in their way and it did no any where.

139. Even if it went through with “amaka iya fikansa”, when we the Zambians do not consent to the means, method and intensions used in writing that document,it will be wasted time and money and will not be accepted by Zambians. As the next government it will be incumbert upon ourselves to do it the right way. The option if not heard will be to lobby the very eminent constitutional lawyers sidelined with all the opposition MPs, and some principled PF MPs vote it out in parliament. The civil society, workers and the clergy and all progresive Zambians to reject it. The end of story, a warning in advance for Sata PF to make corrections before he goes too far.

140. Am extremely concerned about the choice of the technical team to the constitution making process. Why has the President not included anyone from the young generation or at least made his technical committee more representative than the way it is? Are we back to the days when elders were the only source of wisdom and the young ones were taking the watch and see role? No, not now. We must alltake part in this very important exercise whose result will affect everyone including those that have involuntarily been placed on the spectators’ bench. The President can surely do better than that, what about the youths, prominent constitutional lawyers like, Sangwa, Hansungule, Ndulo, etc

141. Why three catholic bishops and noone from EFZ? EFZ should have been represented otherwise the president will lose the support of evangelicals and pentecostal churches. Sata should not divide the Church mother bodies who have always agreed on constitutional matters and the roadmap. And why only 1 Chief from one region? Involve a representative appointed from the House of Chiefs.Excessive presidential powers!

142. Our constitution is too old fashioned for sure. Good move ba presido. Make sure they tackle all areas, especially the environment

143. Ba LT are Roman Catholic Jesuits? Why are not publishing my fair comment about this Roman Catholic influenced Group?

144. Sata has included 3 Roman Catholic Bishops including his relative Reverend Mutale but where are the other members from other churches? No wonder Sata mentioned irregularities at High Commission in Canada so that he will use it together with Roman Catholic machinery (as they did in the persecution of Protestants Christians) to persecute Nevers Mumba.

     Sata is up to no good regarding Protestants Christians in Zambia. Roman Catholics are evil people who persecuted Protestant Christians. If Sata thinks he will leave Protestant Christians out of his governance and use Roman Catholic Bishops to persecute Zambian Christians then he is mistaken.

     Honestly its time for Zambian Protestant Christians to stand up against injustices coming their way.Roman Catholics should stop interfering

145. Yeah,why is prof Muna Ndulo not on the list?He is an astute expert on constitutional law.I hope the President will include him.GOD BLESS ZAMBIA.

     • Have you checked with Prof Ndulo to confirm his availability? Do you know how much it would cost to include him on this – he lives in America, and earns a substantial salary as a law professor.

146. Why should we have 3 Catholics, there are so many churches in Zambia and there has to be some kind of balanced religious representation

147. why should you include three catholic priests..do you want to include gayism..?and the names are so tribal you chaps!!

148. No. 40 Bishop Banda was in the former NCC and he did see anything wrong with what was going on there.

149. There is a name of one lady who was key at the fradulent NCC, It should be dropped immediately. Just like we are rejecting appointments of “corrupt” people, even those who associated closely with NCC and we know what they stood for should not be allowed near this committee. Even a Professor also must drop on moral grounds. These two defended the NCC so much.

150. Shikulu is polarising the nation at a very fast rate. Excluding certain sectors of the society simply because they did no support his party is dangerous and retrogressive to national unity. Trying to turn a blind eye to naked tribalist tendences by Sata is not in the interest of our bemba PF supporters because if this is not checked we will have an expansion of the Barotse movement. Every Zambian want to fee inclusive.

151. ba pente ( pentecostal churches), the reason why you are not included is that you were the ones having overnight prayers so that ba MCS looses the elections. So now please stop whining and keep praying. And as for the Tongas you wanted to be seperatists, how can you be included since you think you are a superior Tribe.

     • Pentecostals are not all similar in their opinions and so i don’t think that you shoud be so simplistic. The reason you have given for the non-inclusion of Pentecostals, I believe has not even been a factor in the President’s decision on the composition of the technical committee.

152. Well done Mr. President, I believe that you have an excellent team to work on the Zambian Constitution. You, Mr. President, indeed have a passion for uplifting Zambians in every aspect of life. The past MMD govt. did not really care about the Zambian people and all evidence points to that.

153. Umwaume,are you saying those who will sit on this panel wont be paid?Instead of you contributing you criticizing.Kanshi ubwaume cinshi?Bushe e imwe mwempalume mwebashele?In life nothing is imposible but us.If the constitution will have value it must be inclusive.money is not an issue.After all,we have been mining copper for centuries.GOD BLESS ZAMBIA.

     • I think you have missed part of my point. The point I am making is that we DO NOT KNOW how many people were asked, and were unavailable for various reasons. As you can imagine, the Law Professors Ndulo and Hasungule are involved in academic work. This involves reasearch, teaching e.t.c. Their availability could therefore, be highly constrained, add in the fact that they are not based in Zambia, their participation becomes more difficult. In terms of payment, I am of the opinion that such people would have to take unpaid leave from their regular work to carryout this role. This means that the state would have to compenstate them for their losses, which could amount to alot of money. One way they could be involved however, would be as technical advisors to the committee itself!

154. So, no constitution in 90 days?

155. I am making my first submission to the team. kindly consider the recommenadations of the draft CRC report as regards retirement age and exemption of tax on pension.

156. This constitution making process will go no where because right at the start Zambians are skeptical of the selection of the team being un representative natinally. It is Mr Sata PF document. Zambians will come up with their own constitution as the process had began in the past with various commissions well represented by all Zambians. After all every point has been covered already and will ask Zambians to fine tune any contetious issues and give consent via parliament. As Sata want it his way, parliament will vote it out. End of story.

157. Tongas, Tongas , Tongas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

158. BIASED TOWARDS CATHOLICS

     SATA ‘S BIASNESS IS NOT ONLY TRIBAL BUT ALSO SPIRITUAL. WHY THREE CATHOLIC BISHOPS ? HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN ONE AND OTHER TWO FROM OTHER CHURCHES. IF THIS TREND CONTINUES, I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED TO SEE TRIBAL AND SPIRITUAL VICTIMISATION EVERY TIME A NEW TRIBE(PRESIDENT) GOES TO STATE HOUSE. THIS IS NOT A GOOD SEED FOR US FUTURE LEADERS. PLEASE ADIVERSERS WHAT ARE DOING AROUND MR SATA.

     I AM THEREFORE ASKING YOU MR PRESIDENT TO CONSIDER THIS POINT.

159. why putting three catholic bishops on the committee when other religious groups are not represented? cobra should remove 2 of them and include 1 Muslim and 1 Hindu representative to promote representation from all levels. Lord help us, deliver us from the fangs of the cobra in 2016 twapapata.

160. Why should we have 3 Catholic Bishops is it to ensure that the CHRISTIAN NATION DECLARATION IS REMOVED?
     No representative from Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia or other interest groups like federation of employers and Unions.
     For me this is not very representative it is rigged to give a predetermined outcome.

161. And the bad thing about everything is that people now have nowhere to go to express their misgivings because the Times of Zambia and Daily Mail won’t entertain anyone criticizing the new govt. The Post are doing it, though sparingly because they propped up the PF. If people from the EFZ go to air their misgivings at the Times or Daily Mail on why they have been left out in preference to 3 Catholic bishops, I am sure that story won’t see the light of day. The Times and Daily Mail won’t see anything wrong with the issue of 3 Catholic bishops and a Northern province chief because they are still govt controlled thru appointments of media heads who can’t just start to bite the finger that has started to feed them. We are back to the same old media controls as before.

162. You people,don’t tempt the president,he will revoke these names before being sworn in,mwaibala.
     Just wait and see.

163. Funny that Dr Sakala should be appointed,when i recently heard a comment from a senior counsel on how he was of the view that he should retire because of so many errors he has been making of late.As for the 3 catholic bishops I can’t say I am surprised casue MCS thinks the cathoilic is the supreme demomination.Hats off to those belivers whp prayed and fasted for MCS to become president I must say I am having the last laugh!

164. The Constitution is guide for Good Governance. Am surprised why there is no one from the Institute of Directors of Zambia. As long as Good Governance statutes are not incorporate in the Constitution of the country then we will be still be going in Circles. Sector consultations are welcome.

165. Uhmmm…pragmatic leadership.

166. Bemba constitution!

167. Does someone have a profile on the names proposed? It would be nice to know a little more about them so as to ascertain their ability to discharge the function before them impartially.

168. @164, BRILLIANT CONTRIBUTION, HOPE THEY’LL LISTEN.

169. There are some big names on this list I respect a lot for what they have done in the past… the likes of Prof Patrick Mvunga and Mrs. Mwangala Zaloumis for instance come to mind. Man these two are heavy weight giants and I hope the Prez is not just worsting their time and brains in doing this process only to throw away their draft recommendations in the State House Garbage Bin.
     I would have liked they handed their report directly to Parliament for debate and enactment. What is the Prez going to do with the report? Anyway I will give benefit of a doubt and fingers crossed! There have been so many Constitution Review Commissions, it’s crazy.

170. @169, Your’e right. Sometimes I actually think these Consititutional Review Commissions are one of the quickest ways of syphoning money from govt coffers whenever a new president takes over. Now, it all the work of the previous ones utter junk for this CRC not start with and would it save us any money and time?

171. SorrI meant “….. Is all the work…”

172. Awe chavuta chizungu!

173. The reason for less Bembas is simply because they are no educated Bembas to tackle a complcated task such as constitution making. Otherwise it would have been 95%BEMBAS. AM BEMBA MYSELF.

174. @106 Observer. You have said the wisest thing I have seen on this blog. People are talking about professions, tribes, churches, and special interest groups that have been left out. This is not and was never intended to be a constituent assembly that had to have representation of every group in Zambia, but a special commission to come up with a draft document which would incorporate all the crucial submissions that Zambians have already made through previous constitutional review commissions.

175. @116 you are right, there appears to be some unfair victimisation of Tongas and Tongas have every right to feel insecure and Im sure in the next election they will not votw PF again. Bembas should not think no one should question Sata and that whatever he does is right @174, everything a president does should take “national interests” into account and any of his appointments should be questioned. LET US REMEMBER THAT MORE THAN 55% OF THE ELECTORATE DID NOT VOTE FOR PF.

176. CONSENSUS IS CRITICAL IN THE CONSTITUTION MAKING PROCESS. IT WILL REALLY BE UNFORGIVEABLE for the country to experience, again, the same thing that happened to the NCC Constitution which after all the hundreds of billions of our money was spent, it failed to be adopted by Parliament. Are we not taking this risk because PF will need 2/3 majority to pass the Constitution – which eg they cant do if UPND votes against it, as PF did when they voted against the NCC constitution. THIS IS WHY CONSENSUS in constitutional making process is important. If Zambians want 200 people to sit on the committee so that it is representative, why not?? President, do not be arrogant as RB was. The process requires democrats not dictators

177. @176 Chifukushi Chomene. I agree with you when you say that consesus is critical in constitution making. My view is that consensus has already been reached by Zambians in that the submissions that Zambians made to the Mwanakatwe, Mvunga and Mung’omba constitutional review commissions were basically identical. What the infamous NCC did was to mutilate what Zambians had agreed upon. As I see it, the task of the commission appointed by MCS is not to get new submissions, but to simply incorporate agreed upon submissions and draft them into a document that will be subjected to a referendum. Let us not go back to square one where we start forming a constituent assembly.

178. Yes true @177 Twafwa Ifwe and maybe Govt needs to explain it to people in the way you have. MY WORRY STILL is what is the guarantee that this group of 20 (infallible??) men and women will not reject some of the things that were agreed upon before(just as NCC did) and/or smuggle in some new ones??? AGAIN, in the event that Tongas (mind you Tongas and related tribes are not just living in southern province but other parts of the country) and evangelicals decide to vote against the constitution in a referendum (or in Parliament) wouldnt we have wasted K300 billion??? This is why RIGHT FROM THE START there is need for humility and a bottom-up approach in constitution making process. Sometimes, it is just a question of people “feeling” or “perceiving” they are a part of a process

179. recycling old has been is not teh way forward for Zambia. Muvunga should never have been put on this list. What has he really done besides bringing up old ideas and kneeling at te hfeet of those in power to get some crumbs off their table. he should join his friend Banda in retirement.

180. #110, you should stop using other people’s names. Prof. Muna Ndulo did not write this.

181. Muvunga must be removed. This man is only interested in getting money. He needs to retire. wasn’t he sick a few years or months ago. He is a washed up political hanger on who is trying to come back in the good graces of those in power. he is banda’s right hand man and should be sent out wit hbanda.

182. This is no expert committee because none of these people has ever produced a viable constitution.  What is needed is a small group of EXPERTS on constitution-making.  Shame on Sata for putting together this foolish bunch of incompetents.

183. Sata chose the people who will give him the kind of constitution he wants.  He cannot put people who would say no to him.  Muvunga has no backbone and is only there for the money. The others also are all yes men.  He sure knows how oto pick them.:-?

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