Cars For The World

Former Army commander apologises to President Sata

Time Posted: November 21, 2011 2:23 pm

Former Zambia Army Commander Lieutenant General Wisdom Lopa

A former Army commander has apologised to president Sata for calling on him to desist from involving the defence forces in politics during the run-up to the September 20 tripartite polls.

Lt. Gen. Wisdom Lopa says he inadvertently mentioned President Sata’s name and has apologised on behalf of the former service chiefs.

General Lopa had called on Mr. Sata as an opposition leader then to desist from involving the Defence force into politics because they support the government of the day.

Gen. Lopa made the apology during his colourful Farewell Parade where he transferred the instruments of power to Army Commander Lt Gen. Paul Mihova at Arackan Barracks in Lusaka on Monday.

He apologised for the embarrassment the remarks may have caused president Sata.

And General Lopa has advised the Defence force to have a need to acquire knowledge because the Army must be in step with Modern Technology and Equipment.

He also paid tribute to the Army Commander and his Deputy for their well deserved appointments.

And Army Commander Lt. Gen. Mihova hailed General Lopa for his great contribution to the Army and his 40 years of gallant service.

And Army Chaplain Lieutenant Vincent Mweya commended General Lopa for the sacrifice he made to the Zambia Army.

[ZNBC]

76 Comments

  1. vote
    flag Italian Bunga Bunga (Original) says: Italian Bunga Bunga (Original)
    November 21, 2011 at 2:26 pm |

    Thank you very much you retired “soldier” who behaved like a cadre.

    Reply
  2. vote
    flag Oswell nsala says: Oswell nsala
    November 21, 2011 at 2:31 pm |

    Musalu wali pesamba

    Reply
  3. vote
    flag Zuliyana says: Zuliyana
    November 21, 2011 at 2:35 pm |

    Apologized, Why? I don’t get it. Because Sata is now president? nawawo   

    Reply
  4. vote
    flag Bye Bye MMD says: Bye Bye MMD
    November 21, 2011 at 2:43 pm |

    You are forgiven, go in peace!

    Reply
  5. vote
    flag Mo taim says: Mo taim
    November 21, 2011 at 2:44 pm |

    Good to hear that ba General the bemba`s say “Okosulile ekopa noko”.Good that you now know better.

    Reply
  6. vote
    flag Ndala Pabukala says: Ndala Pabukala
    November 21, 2011 at 2:44 pm |

    you have realized that now he is pursuing corrupt chaps and want to make peace with him. RB fooled everyone to worship him.

    Reply
  7. vote
    flag Ndala Pabukala says: Ndala Pabukala
    November 21, 2011 at 2:46 pm |

    Zambia Army Commander General Isaac Chisuzi has threatened to dismiss army officers who will be seen involving themselves in partisan politics.

    General Chisuzi says army officers who will be seen indulging themselves in partisan politics will be instantly dismissed.

    He explained that the command does not allow defence forces to engage themselves in partisan politics.

    Reply
  8. vote
    flag Kissing Dust Made Simple says: Kissing Dust Made Simple
    November 21, 2011 at 2:46 pm |

    ” Inadvertently mentioned Satas name ” does not sound like a sincere apology to me – there appears to be some reservation. This is just another useless job-seeking party cadre who doesn’t even know when to shut up or worse, give an honest apology.

    Being foolish if you are a teenager (making a home made porn movie?) is forgivable. Being foolish in adulthood and making half-hearted apologies is even worse.

    Reply
  9. vote
    flag NAPAPA SANA!!!!!! says: NAPAPA SANA!!!!!!
    November 21, 2011 at 2:46 pm |

    Suppose Sata never became president???

    Reply
  10. vote
    flag Gokigo Milazhe says: Gokigo Milazhe
    November 21, 2011 at 2:52 pm |

    Yes he must apologise if he is stupid to think that he needs to apologise. What is he apologising for? He was right what he said then. Both opposition and ruling party should not be involving security forces in their political shenanigans or activities. But if Lopa is such and ***** to aopologise then he must apologise to the president and then to the rest of us for making us believe that he was an intelligent commander when actually he is not. What a bunkum! And this is the guy who is supposed to have been responsible for defending Zambia’s borders!! But Zambia!…no, mwe!

    Reply
  11. vote
    flag dvd says: dvd
    November 21, 2011 at 2:57 pm |

    is Sata God or Human Being.whatever happened when was in opposition was fine,why why apologize why

    Reply
  12. vote
    flag Zero Boyz says: Zero Boyz
    November 21, 2011 at 2:58 pm |

    Good move on the apology no one says he is wrong without a mistake

    Reply
  13. vote
    flag Son of Africa says: Son of Africa
    November 21, 2011 at 3:00 pm |

    There is nothing to be apologetic about – The army chief was in order to make such a statement then…

    Reply
  14. vote
    flag zuberi says: zuberi
    November 21, 2011 at 3:08 pm |

    I am also at loss, what the heck is he apologizing for? Was it true they were passing information to the opposition?

    Reply
  15. vote
    flag Liam says: Liam
    November 21, 2011 at 3:10 pm |

    No need to apologize sir,what you said was true- politicians should not involve defense forces in politics.Thank you for your service.

    Reply
  16. vote
    flag Tekton says: Tekton
    November 21, 2011 at 3:16 pm |

    Here we go again treating presidents as if they are kings. This is what causes our leaders to become big headed and causes them to start treating Zambians as if we are their servants or subjects. During elections all manner of things are said about politicians, it is obviously bad that our army leaders are political but does that mean that everyone should apologise for all said in an election just because you want to suck up to a new president. Our leaders are not kings and we should not be treating them as such. As one can already see the president has too much power and we need to have that power reduce and to ensure parliament is give more power to provide checks and balances, a constitutional court would also be a great idea as it will help keep politicians in check.

    Reply
  17. vote
    flag Go Deeper says: Go Deeper
    November 21, 2011 at 3:18 pm |

    Now you can sense what is going on in the country. Kumulu lesa panshi ni cobra

    Reply
  18. vote
    flag PanAfricanist says: PanAfricanist
    November 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm |

    Guys wondering y this guys is apologizing..Sata is now commander in Chief..it just make sence to issue a public apology…besides zed is too small and employment opportunities for a solder are skinny…so Lopa may be be looking for work from Sata..diplomatic oppmt in ethiopia or lebanon will do for Lopa……

    Reply
    1. vote
      flag Hamonga Mutinta Mubita says: Hamonga Mutinta Mubita
      November 22, 2011 at 4:10 pm |

      he could have done this in privite

  19. vote
    flag Maxwell says: Maxwell
    November 21, 2011 at 3:23 pm |

    You army chaps should be grateful of Sata as won’t be embarrassing the service by wearing full army kit like fart RB with his teenage wife on his arm!!

    Reply
  20. vote
    flag Roughrider says: Roughrider
    November 21, 2011 at 3:25 pm |

    This is the last thing a genaral can do,especially the discipline you undergo,apologise for what? my foot.Does he know that the ground he is stepping on- mother Zamabia, belongs to him and not borrowed from politicians.So a general can have such fear that the ground will be romoved from him by SATA,sure!

    Reply
  21. vote
    flag Taliban says: Taliban
    November 21, 2011 at 3:26 pm |

    better late than never!!the wise will recognise your apology sir!

    Reply
  22. vote
    flag ZOZI-A-ZOZI says: ZOZI-A-ZOZI
    November 21, 2011 at 3:31 pm |

    Where is the Wisdom Ba Lopa? Are you saying it is now okay for defence forces to engage in politics or for opposition to involve the defence forces in politics? Why was it wrong then and not now? What a cowardly comander, no wonder you are out, you are the same-ones who misled RB. MCS no postings for such please, let him retire 40 years service is more than enough, give chance to others even in foreign service.

    Reply
  23. vote
    flag PM says: PM
    November 21, 2011 at 3:31 pm |

    Aoplogize for what? I really dont get it. What the General said was correct, army and any other security wings should not be involved in politics. Shame on you Lopa. There must be something you did and you are now running scared,. May be involved in arms procurement scandal?

    Reply
  24. vote
    flag Maurice Makalu says: Maurice Makalu
    November 21, 2011 at 3:31 pm |

    The general is apologising for INADVERTENTLY mentioning Sata’s name. This means he stands by his statement of cautioning politicians from dragging the army into partisan politics because it can lead to anarchy. He is apologising because instead of just issuing his statement in a general manner as a professional army commander should have, he regrets he mentioned Sata’s name. So the statement came out as if it was directed at sata only. Of course it was, but he should have been professional enough to respect a presidential candidate as a possible commander in chief and avoid putting his name in disrepute. So the general is being very professional; give him credit.

    Reply
    1. vote
      flag Dreamz says: Dreamz
      November 22, 2011 at 1:00 pm |

      I think you are right. Very right

  25. vote
    flag Punch Drunk Cobra says: Punch Drunk Cobra
    November 21, 2011 at 3:39 pm |

    Spineless whimp! Sebana wikute apapene.

    Reply
  26. vote
    flag PanAfricanist says: PanAfricanist
    November 21, 2011 at 3:47 pm |

    #24 u rite…as matter of fact, all opposition leader including are regarded as VIP from GRZ perspective…So Lopa errered and hence an apology is ok…

    Reply
  27. vote
    flag Poor Zed People says: Poor Zed People
    November 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm |

    this has costed us development, failure to appreciate limits. There was nothing wrong in the statement he passed on about politics and service men and women. There is no need to apologize at all. Unless if he is implying in the next general elections the defence forces should involve themselves… which is sad if that is what he implies.

    Reply
  28. vote
    flag Christopher Mulenga says: Christopher Mulenga
    November 21, 2011 at 3:51 pm |

    The General is right in apologizing guys. His training calls for it. He is not like some of these loud mouthed characters calling him names. To rise to that position, General Lopa is one of those patriotic and brave Zambians. I salute him. I m sure he has retired with honor.

    Reply
  29. vote
    flag Ignorance says: Ignorance
    November 21, 2011 at 3:53 pm |

    Rules of engangement1.never say sorry2.dont mention.sir wat are apologising for I embarassed shame.

    Reply
  30. vote
    flag Mimi says: Mimi
    November 21, 2011 at 3:59 pm |

    Why should Sata not involve him, Lopa was already involved into politics. Its alleged that him and other security chiefs were instrumental in rigging for Mwanawasa and RB. So why cry foul when you are mentioned in the politica arena

    Reply
  31. vote
    flag Ngombala Muhapi wa Maqwereqwere says: Ngombala Muhapi wa Maqwereqwere
    November 21, 2011 at 4:15 pm |

    Lopa is a shameless spineless jackal! With soldiers like this one, imagine if Angola decided to invade Zambia during Chiluba’s reign for gun-running for diamonds? We would have fallen in a matter of days. And the saddest thing about all this is what the man said was correct, so what apart from “tompholoha u lanyuke wa kanyikuta” is this man trying to prove. Such stinking toilet acrobatics coming from the whole entire general are wholly unacceptable. This was as embarrassing as Tetambashimba thanking Banda for making him minister, giving him a state funeral and to show gratitude, santa klauzing James Banda with awsome Toyota wheels, posthumously. Bukuba bwa linja ze bwa nunka wa mwana sipulumununka!

    Reply
  32. vote
    flag Flagrante Delicto says: Flagrante Delicto
    November 21, 2011 at 4:27 pm |

    The resulted of people sitting behind a desk for a very long time. Involving defence forces in politics was wrong then, still is and will always be particularly in democratic nations like ours. What is this so called General apologising for? Am not a military guy but I would suppose this guy can not compare with the likes of Nobby Simbeye, Chinkuli, Masheke and Miyanda.

    Reply
  33. vote
    flag Jomie says: Jomie
    November 21, 2011 at 4:33 pm |

    Why are you apologising for doing the right thing. No wonder you were fired.

    Reply
  34. vote
    flag Tell them off says: Tell them off
    November 21, 2011 at 4:38 pm |

    Ba lopa you were thinking paziko its you, kumwamba nilesa ka
    mwalesamwa boss,remember last year on DEC 2010 what happened
    recruitment with corruption uzachiona.

    Reply
  35. vote
    flag chills says: chills
    November 21, 2011 at 4:38 pm |

    There is nothing wrong in what he said. Politicians are too vindictive and thats the fear the general has

    Reply
  36. vote
    flag kabusha says: kabusha
    November 21, 2011 at 4:43 pm |

    There no  need of apolojising,the statement was ok…service men should not be invoved in active politics but serve the govnm of the day.NOW THIS IS BOOT LIKIN!

    Reply
  37. vote
    flag MAU MAU II says: MAU MAU II
    November 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm |

    That was unwise apology from Gen Wisdom Lopa. The warning he gave at that time was right and timely coz involving soldiers in partsan politics can breed confusion in the armed forces. They are the to ensure there is peace and serve the govt of the day. As simple as that. The guy is seeking a diplomatic job just wait and see.

    Reply
  38. vote
    flag Cadre in charge of pf interests says: Cadre in charge of pf interests
    November 21, 2011 at 5:10 pm |

    I thought news was when a man bites a dog’s butt but not when a man’s butt is beaten by a dog.

    Reply
  39. vote
    flag owen nkumbwa says: owen nkumbwa
    November 21, 2011 at 5:57 pm |

    What has gotten into lopa’s head, why does he have ti apologise, how can you apologise for saying the right thing. sata is not God, 

    Reply
  40. vote
    flag KWENA EEEH says: KWENA EEEH
    November 21, 2011 at 6:02 pm |

    Why are you apologizing for doing the right thing. Awe ine nadabwa ba General!!! What you said at that time was double correct naimwe alaa

    Reply
  41. vote
    flag Flagrante Delicto says: Flagrante Delicto
    November 21, 2011 at 6:07 pm |

    @35 Chills, if as you put it “Politicians are vindictive andthats the fear the General has right now” then I think he is not fit to be a General. For goodness sake, this guy is apologising for saying the right thing. I wonder if he can have courage to stand and face repercussions for misdeeds.

    Reply
  42. vote
    flag Caf-u says: Caf-u
    November 21, 2011 at 6:25 pm |

    Thats what you get when you politicize the army.My thinking is that it will happen again in 2016.we need to drift from this.I couldnt join the army in 1986 coz of corruption,nepotism and unprofessionalism.A friend i went with for interviews was picked and told me that it was sealed the previous night within the family.You can imagine how shocked i was.This friend is now a senior officer.Thats the Zambia army/airforce.GOD BLESS ZAMBIA.

    Reply
  43. vote
    flag JIGGA says: JIGGA
    November 21, 2011 at 6:30 pm |

    Wht’s he apologising for,what he said was right,all politicians should not drag the defence forces into politics,that’s just common sense and universal practice so now the General is being silly and a coward,probably seeking employment.

    Reply
  44. vote
    flag RB says: RB
    November 21, 2011 at 6:31 pm |

    Why r u apologizing?

    Reply
  45. vote
    flag Tafimbwa Lubilo says: Tafimbwa Lubilo
    November 21, 2011 at 7:14 pm |

    What the General said was not wrong. The army should not be involved in politics. To apologise nibukuwefye!

    Reply
  46. vote
    flag Champ says: Champ
    November 21, 2011 at 7:21 pm |

    Great – it seems there are few things Mr. Sata enjoys more than a good apology so he must be a very happy man tonight. What a day for the nation. What a day for Zambia!

    Reply
  47. vote
    flag Italian Bunga Bunga (Original) says: Italian Bunga Bunga (Original)
    November 21, 2011 at 7:25 pm |

    @#45 Champ. You are a Chump or Chimp! I think Chimp suits you better.

    Reply
  48. vote
    flag Champ says: Champ
    November 21, 2011 at 7:29 pm |

    Thanks, dude! That means a lot coming from you.

    Reply
  49. vote
    flag Blue Train says: Blue Train
    November 21, 2011 at 7:41 pm |

    And what kind of soldier is Lopa? Apologising for saying the truth?? Chipuba umu soldier uyu chi colour. Infact, he is an embarasment to the army now that he has apologizd

    Reply
  50. vote
    flag webman says: webman
    November 21, 2011 at 8:25 pm |

    i simply can’t get my head around this apology…. english being a second language, i suspect the general used apology for want of a better term

    Reply
  51. vote
    flag Kashimani says: Kashimani
    November 21, 2011 at 8:28 pm |

    This general is an *****

    Reply
  52. vote
    flag Lyambai Lyambai says: Lyambai Lyambai
    November 21, 2011 at 9:22 pm |

    Does that mean that the army can now be partisan? Yaba! We are in for it, imagine what a pf army will do to the Zambian populace? 

    Reply
  53. vote
    flag Nomsa says: Nomsa
    November 21, 2011 at 9:28 pm |

    Surely you are a ****. What is wrong with the statement you made that politicians are not supposed to involve military whether serving or retired.

    It is true they are not supposed to be there. The disclipline is noble.  You have no spine. You are a very useless man. You hope to be appointed in foreign service.  Poverty makes one a VERY BIG ****.  How a big general can do that.  Yes general McChryistall or whichever in America blundered when a made an embarrassing statement in Afghinistan.

    We do not need to insult you. But that is what you want.  YOU ARE A VERY BIG ****..

    Reply
  54. vote
    flag ZULU says: ZULU
    November 21, 2011 at 9:30 pm |

    I think you need to be beaten for your undeserved apology.  What is there plz educate us of the mistake you made.  Perhaps we will understand you.

    Reply
  55. vote
    flag Tekki Kata says: Tekki Kata
    November 21, 2011 at 9:58 pm |

    There’s something am missing here; Is the Lt.Gen apologising for asking Mr.MC Sata(then opposition leader) not to bring the defence forces into politics or something he said behind the scenes? But ka apology aka kabufi maybe nika retirement package balezembaika. Anyways they say never insult the crocs bfore you cross a river.
    Zwaaaaaaap!!!!!!!!

    Reply
  56. vote
    flag Lusaka Boza News says: Lusaka Boza News
    November 22, 2011 at 1:30 am |

    LT you missed the real new Mr.Sata last night drove himself without security going to Manda Hill Mall to buy KFC chicken Ladies and Gentlemen that is News

    Reply
  57. vote
    flag MUSHOTA says: MUSHOTA
    November 22, 2011 at 2:13 am |

    AGKQWHUSDKLHYSIUGHQWUQYWHJSJHSJ,HJSHJ,HSJ,HS,JHJ,H
    SQUHSKQHSHIWHSHWUGBNMWHUKGKGW
    SBJKSUWSMWJSGWYSKSWUSYQUK
    SHSUHSUKWSKSHISHKSW
    SJWHDUSJWUHUUKSWILDILHYIL
    SWHLDHHDHILHWLIDHWIDHDHJ
    ÇJWGHDKDQKDUKDUDG
    JHSHUUKQGKQGDUQDGK
    SUKQGDUKUKDUKDG
    THANKS

    Reply
  58. vote
    flag Chikoko says: Chikoko
    November 22, 2011 at 6:35 am |

    The fired Army Commander must shut up. It is high time the Govt appointed professional men to run the Military. General Lopa knows too well that Army Officers the world over must not be potilicized, just as politicians are not supposed to meddle into politics. Whose necks then is General Lopa placing on the chopping bay? The man is just begging for a new job. He gave an embarrassing statement at the occasion when he should have bed farewell in good faith.

    Reply
  59. vote
    flag Landrover 109 says: Landrover 109
    November 22, 2011 at 7:56 am |

    The one who drew Army Commanders into partisan politics was Gen CHISUZI with his nepotistic style of command during the nepotistic regime of Levy PM. By the way, his Military Assistant is the current Commander and I am sure you know of how offices are being appointed on tribal lines. Mihova is the WORST tribalist of a Commander ! :o

    Reply
  60. vote
    flag Die-Hard for Lopa says: Die-Hard for Lopa
    November 22, 2011 at 8:14 am |

    To be honest, Ba Lopa was a good commander this not this ka short one we have o. You know how short people behave ! Like was written on tumfweko dot com, this Miova is a TRIBALIST uwa kamamo mamenshi ! And its like he isnt hapy that PF won and HH lost thats why together with his Tonga deputy, the have embarked on Chisuzi-era style of eting their anger. Silngwe (Northern), Charlie Bux(Eastern) and Inyambo(Western) have within this very short period being ‘bruised’ on very flimsy grounds ! We all know how people have been elevated some not on merit (Hakaningi, Mumbichi, Ikowa, Wanki etc) but coz the buggers are either Luvale or Tonga. We are watching you Paulo and Tampon Lubaya

    Reply
  61. vote
    flag Mabvuto says: Mabvuto
    November 22, 2011 at 8:50 am |

    One thing you need to know you ignorant people is that these people were  corrupt through and through.I would urge those who are still in those top positions and continue to use and abuse people like they made them, you too will be brought down at a time you are least expecting. Muleke no kulala nab a mukabene. Don’t use your positions to enrich yourselves. Fear God. He (God) does hear the cries of his people. 

    Reply
  62. vote
    flag Tracy says: Tracy
    November 22, 2011 at 9:08 am |

    Apologising for what?

    Reply
  63. vote
    flag EASTERN says: EASTERN
    November 22, 2011 at 9:34 am |

    A VERY VERY STUPID ARMY COMMANDER.
    YOU SHOULD STICK TO WHAT YOU HAD SAID THEN.WHY ARE YOU CHANGING YOUR POSITION.A CIVIL SERVANT SHOULD BE ANY I REAET SHOULD SERVE THE GOVERNMENT OF THE DAY DESTITE WHICH EVER POLITICAL PARTY HE MAY SUPPORT.
    IT IS THIS KIND OD BOOT LICKING THAT WILL STAGNATE THE GROWTH OF ZAMBIA.LOOK AROUND MOST OF THE STUPID DULL MONEY WANTING FORMER MMD LEADERS ARE RESIGNING TO JOIN PF.
    SHAME ON PF TOO FOR ACCEPTING THIS SELL OUT.
    WITH THIS KIND OF ATTITUDE WE WILL FOR EVER AND EVER SEE THIS MAD NESS.
    LET US BE PROUD AND SAY IT THAT WE DID SERVE ZAMBIA IN FORM OF AN MMD GOVT AND WE ARE PROUD TO STILL BE ZAMBIANS WHO WILL REMAIL IN MMD AND CONTINUE TO SERVE ZAMBIA AS AN OPPOSITION

    Reply
  64. vote
    flag Lundazi Dweller says: Lundazi Dweller
    November 22, 2011 at 10:32 am |

    Like most bloggers have said, this apology is uncalled for. The statement he made was correct at the time. Even Sata knew he was wrong to involve the military in his politics. After a ditinguish military and diplomatic career one comes to make such a national boob. Its true as Danny sang..”Ni ka last kanalengesa”

    Reply
  65. vote
    flag KWANGALA says: KWANGALA
    November 22, 2011 at 11:48 am |

    THE MOST DISPICABLE ZAMBIAN TRAIT IS “SEBANA WIKUTE” ITS PATHETIC THE THINGS MY COUNTRYY MEN AND WOMEN DO OR SAY JUST TO FILL THEIR STOMACHS. JUST HOW CAN A WHOLE NATION SINK THIS LOW? NOW THEY EVEN HAVE TO EAT THEIR OWN TRUE WORDS PAKUTI BEKUTA FYE. YABA!

    Reply
  66. vote
    flag last fight says: last fight
    November 22, 2011 at 12:22 pm |

    Mwilalandako baiche

    Reply
  67. vote
    flag Fenwick says: Fenwick
    November 22, 2011 at 2:28 pm |

    Spineless..

    Reply
  68. vote
    flag Maikalange says: Maikalange
    November 22, 2011 at 6:04 pm |

    I don’t see anything to apologise for. The armed forces serve GRZ and the people. MCS was not GRZ at the time. There is no need. If you arrest me today because I committed a crime, and tomorrow I become president; does that render me innocent?
    No!
    It is water under the bridge.

    Reply
  69. vote
    flag Ras Rated says: Ras Rated
    November 22, 2011 at 6:21 pm |

    Noted, thing is the General did not get chocked by swallowing that pride though it might be too little too late.

    Reply
  70. vote
    flag Epsilon says: Epsilon
    November 22, 2011 at 8:56 pm |

    Has this Commander fought any war?

    Reply
  71. vote
    flag Ernest says: Ernest
    November 23, 2011 at 6:46 am |

    @ Epsilon,
    Brother are you sure you want war? I seriuosly doubt that. Sometimes it is good not to comment on issues you have little information on.

    Reply
  72. vote
    flag Livingstone says: Livingstone
    November 23, 2011 at 9:49 am |

    The best way to do it, period

    Reply
  73. vote
    flag Kweshoni Mark?? says: Kweshoni Mark??
    November 23, 2011 at 4:37 pm |

    ……….what does the privates think now??

    Reply
  74. vote
    flag Kweshoni Mark?? says: Kweshoni Mark??
    November 23, 2011 at 4:39 pm |

    ……..what do the privates think now?

    Reply

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

 characters available

You may use these HTML tags and attributes: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>