A non-governmental organisation called Zambian Voice has challenged the ruling PF to clearly state the nature of the offences that Kabwata MP Given Lubinda has been found guilty of.
Zambian Voice Executive Director Chilufya Tayali made the call in a news statement adding that the PF should come out in the open and state exactly what wrong Mr. Lubinda has committed.
“We understand the PF Central Committee is meeting this Wednesday, our appeal is that the men and women in the Central Committee will seek to protect democracy and avoid an unnecessary bye election,” Mr. Tayali said.
He said, “One of the allegations against Mr. Lubinda is that he leaked confidential party information to some media house. Since the said leaked articles were probably published, the nation is obviously anxious to know which articles in particular contained confidential information that Mr. Lubinda caused to be published by having them leaked to the media.”
Mr. Tayali challenged the PF to release this information as it starts its Wednesday meeting if the party believes in natural justice.
“As an organisation, we find it obnoxious and unfair that the Central Committee, a team of 52 men and women could decide the fate of a man who received 29,744 votes, representing 74% of the total votes cast less than two years ago without giving an opportunity to the thousands that voted for him in the 2011 elections to understand what offence their MP committed against the party.”
He added, “The PF should not take the people of Kabwata for granted. If Mr. Lubinda indeed erred, we believe the PF should come out clean and state exactly what wrong he did so that the people of Kabwata in particular and Zambians in general can also form their own opinion about the man they overwhelmingly voted for in three consecutive elections.”
“Without taking away from the PF’s right to discipline its erring members, we believe the case of Mr. Lubinda and his impending expulsion goes beyond the party’s narrow interests but speaks to the core of how political parties in Zambia administer their internal politics,” Mr. Tayali said.
The Zambian Voice Executive Director said his organisation believes that Mr. Lubinda is a victim of international petty jealousy in a raging succession battle.
He said, “The PF Central Committee has a moral duty to save Zambia, the PF Central Committee has a sacred duty to defend democracy and the PF Central Committee has an obligation to protect natural justice.”
The PF Central Committee, the party’s highest decision making organ is this Wednesday scheduled to have an all-important meeting which is expected to seal the fate of Mr. Lubinda and other party officials facing disciplinary charges.
They said they tapped Hon Lubinda’s phone. This in itself is abuse of office. The intelligence wings are there to report issues partaining to security threats for the nation. How come they are used to spy for a political party? If Lubinda was accused of leaking information to other nations as foreign minister, then the phone tapping would be necessary. However, PF is using government machinery to score personal vandettas. I agree with the Mr. Tiyali. Given Lubinda is not only for PF but for all men and women in Kabwata constituency who, by virtue of a democratic mandate, is representing all constituents regardless whether they voted for him or not. So, PF should spell it out so that we see what information is so secrete that its publication caused this indaba in PF and Zambia.
Okey, you’ve all mourned and groaned about how toxic Kabimba has become to PF, without proposing a solution. Now, here’s one; bring in a man called ALI SIMWINGA to sort him out!!!
As a pressure group in diaspora, we agree very much with Zambian Voice that theres just too much politicking in ruling party rather than taking care of the core business. The PF has completely abadoned the promises they made during the campaign and all we see is bickering amongst its members. As a member of ZID, I will encourage the President and its cabinet to go back to their promises and let the nation know that they are committed to honor its promises. PF should know and realize that Zambia is for all and not just PF and the President being one of the many longest politicians should know that since KK, Presidents have come and gone. How does he need to be remembered?
This is very true. The case of Lubinda has draged and pipo are anxiosly waiting for the vedict. The fact that the president is mute on this issue is making pipo wonder how PF is handling Lubinda’s case. The party under winter wants him out. On the other hand the executive under the president doesn’t want to let go Lubinda that easly
ZID wasosa mune
Which Diaspora? Ulifye weka. If Lubinda was wrong let the PF perform it duty of reprimanding him. You can not play double standards and expect fovor and sympathy from people. Seleni tubombeko ba konto imwe.
Thats right my bro wrong is wrong zoona ni ba konto we dont want bukachepa
I hope you are not a paedophile with that pic and that coloqial language you used, I can not understand!
Mudala na iwe, if he indeed did wrong, why are they taking so long to reach a verdict? We all know that the president has natural intelligence but has shortcomings when it comes to intellectuality and manners/protocol/cultivated high culture. Even at international fora ithas been observed that when the president talked nonsense, or said something potentially damaging to the democratic image of the party, it was Lubinda who would re-direct by saying something which balances. Lubinda is not disloyal. He just sees things in a more intellectual way and disagrees on certain things. Lubinda has no problem with dual citizenship, for example. Does that mean he is disloyal? Mulekwatako amano. Mwilabutukila ukushuuta. Mineni amafi.
wasosa mune ni konto
Tuseleko mwibeko bakolwe Given is abig piece ma friend mukamwibukisha try it.
I think as a person from Kabwata constituency, I feel that Mr Given Luwinda is a great man. PF did not win kabwata constituency sites because of PF they won because we elected Given. I’m proud to say if given is out then PF should forget about winning in Kabwata Constituency. And Please can someone put Mr Kabimba in his place. Because he will never become PF or country president. We also what happen at Anti-corruption commission. Running away from investigations by bring so called cadres.
Well, Mr. Lubinda was charged with treachery and the nature of offences clearly put to him by the PF party Sec. Gen.
Mr. Lubinda was given an opportunity to exculpate himself, which he did.
Given that the PF is following the laid down party disciplinary procedures, why don’t you ask Lubinda to disclose in detail to the general public the nature of offences?
If Lubinda feels unjustly treated, let him come out in the open, otherwise this is an internal party matter
Iwe kwindi Lubinda can only come out in the open when the case is closed. As at now it can be insubodnation. Its like a case is in court and you start issuing statements to the public. Let’s wait patiently for the vedict. I know Lubinda won’t be fired but given less responsibilities both In government and the party
Lubinda has proven that he is not childish by not fighting in the media over what you correctly call an internal affair. Lubinda is a mature intellectual who does not play to the media circus gallery. It is not up to Lubinda to explain anything to us. It is up to the accuser to explain to us what disloyalty they are talking about. They started the media circus, so let them explain. Do not mess around with my MP. As a resident of his neighbourhood I wont take kindly to victimizing my MP, and if my party and government can not explain why they are doing this, this is where I will jump ship. Dont mess with my MP if you can not explain to me what you accuse him of.
Your suggestion eludes the logic of organizational and corporate culture. Lubinda cannot be issuing public statements before PF makes a final pronouncement on the matter.
I think this kind of witch hunt shud stop…….. THIS IS THE WORK OF BENA CHANDA NFULA AND HIS *****S……….. TRY TOUCHING LUBINDA SPECIALLY IWE KACHIKALA KA CHANDA NFULA……… U WILL REGRET, WE ILL ALSO TAP YR PHONE LINE!
I totally agree with the Zambian Voice Executive Director. But lets wait for the so called PF central committee to decide. Given Lubinda is an intelligent leader who is liked by his constituency. We need to note however, that this Central committee which reminds me of the UNIP days is just a rubber stamp.
Regardless of what offenses he is charged with and the his innocense or guilty status, Hon. Lubinda has conducted himself with dignity and decorum during this trying time. Actually, he has won the public relations battle, because he has refused to handle his case through the media, which could have worsened his predicament.
In passing judgement on Hon. Given Lubinda, the PF Central Committee is actually passing judgement on its own credibility as a popular party that was espoused by most Zambians in 2011.
Public opinion is certainly on Hon. Lubindas side!!
If Given truly leaked infor to the opposition without due respect of his party, then he deserves to be wounded out of the party at any cost. Lubinda is a very senior member of the party and one would question his integrity if truly he acted against the party he has saved for so long. The PF would be 100% right to discipline him. If he can leak party or gvt secrets as a Minister of Foreign affairs, how about his subordinates? Shame.
Tayali just shut up! You will be embarrassed. We know all your tricks & how you are working with the opposition to bring down our hard working government. Twalakuchisa mwaiche.
The nation will soon know the nature of democracy or dictatorship which is being being nurtured by the PF and its Govt.
PF is on its self-destruction mood!
How? you think Lubinda is PF? Never? The party is very intact with or without Given
He is not talking about Lubinda. He said PF is in its destruction mode. A house that is divided by itself cannot stand. The best way to resolve conflicts is to dialogue. If PF cannot dialogue among its members, they cannot dialogue with other people. See the direct results of what is happening to other opposition leaders. The destruction will not come from within but from without, only because the pillars within are crumbling and leaning on one man – Kabimba. Kabimba cannot lead PF to any victory. He is now interested in all Board positions in the country. He wants all ministries too. He wants to be president.
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“As an organisation, we find it obnoxious and unfair that the Central Committee, a team of 52 men and women could decide the fate of a man who received 29,744 votes, representing 74% of the total votes cast less than two years ago without giving an opportunity to the thousands that voted for him in the 2011 elections to understand what offence their MP committed against the party.”
Nuff said.
“….PF to clearly state the nature of the offenses…???”. Cde Lubinda was secretly collaborating with, and passing on confidentialities to the opposition against my party’s code of conduct.
What other evidence do you need from me?
Please let Cde Lubinda defend himself!
What information….the article is asking about the information. the charges are that he published sensitive information in the ZWD and Daily Nation. So which of the articles published in the ZWD was from Lubinda? That is the question.
panyo pa kwindi kabimba
WHAT ARE PIPO SAYING? IF SOMEONE DOES WRONG, GOES AGAINST PARTY NORMS THEY SHOULD GO FREE JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE POPULAR, BEAUTIFUL OR HAVE GOT MONEY. NOT EVEN UPND OR MMD CAN ALLOW SUCH AND WE ARE SEEING THAT EVERYDAY. PARTY MEMBERS NEED TO LEARN TO BE LOYAL TO THEIR PARTY (EXCEPT FOR WRONG THINGS) THE WRITER OF THE ARTICLE SOUNDS LIKE A LUBINDA SYMPATHISER OR RELATIVE, HE’S BEING JUDGEMENTAL EVEN BEFORE THE OUTCOME OF THE HEARING TODAY – SHAME. LUBINDA WAS GIVEN CHANCE TO EXCULPATE HIMSELF WHICH DID AND SOME ACCUSATION WERE PROVED SOME WERE NOT. TRY DOING IT (BEING TREACHEROUS) IN YOUR ORGANISATION OR PLACE OF WORK AND SEE HOW QUICKLY YOU WILL BE THROWN OUT, YOU WILL BE LUCK IF YOU WILL EVEN GET A HEARING.
Bwana Kaya, whether an individual was an adopted member or had received 1m votes against 10, an offense of treachery or double standards is viewed as serious enough by my party. Why can’t the so called “Zambian Voice” demand the same about expelled Cde Namugala who was also an elected member?
Firstly, PF is the ruling party, and not MMD, so if MMD mess it up, we are not as concerned as we are when the party that is actually handling our national affairs mess it up. Secondly, your party is also my party, and this very intolerance of divergent views is among the undemocratic tendencies we challenged MMD over in the first place. Thirdly, why dont we just explain exactly what Lubinda did and clear the air, and not just say vague things like treachery, or leaking information… Since that information is allegedly already in the public domain, they lose nothing by pointing out which of those press releases contained leaked information. Besides that, they gain credibility. Otherwise, mulebwatabwata fye thinking that incumbency justifies abuse of authority.
Who was more popular, Bantu Holomisa / Malema of South Africa or Lubinda of Zambia? Please apply your minds! We are guided by and operate within the norms of the standing rules of our organization, the party.
Why Cde Lubinda and not Cde Namugala?
Lubinda leaked party secreat information.What more do you pipo want to hear?Which ever org one belongs to if found leaking secret information,one will be fired immediately and Lubinda is lucky that he has been even goven the chance to exculpate himself.he shud be fired.
Leaked to whom? If it is leaked then it is not a secret any longer so tell us which was it?
The question still remains Kabimba, what did he do to warrant him to be kicked out of cabinet meetings and not resign his ministerial position, what is it that he exposed that we now know but your government wont admit. Is it real treachery if it exposed something that was potentially damaging to the nation KABIMBA!? Why do you let greed consume you like this, you apply you mind and think of the damage and precedence you and your government are setting. Such dullness
ITS LIKE HUNTING A LION WITH DOGS.
Mr Kaya, what did Kapwepwe, Bantu Holomisa or Malema do to warrant their expulsions from the party?
@ Kabimba,They stood against tyranny, they refused to be forced down a road of undemocratic and destructive tendancies. Now tell me, what is your point? Look at where Zambia is now or where South Africa will be in a few more years, money hungry people putting their interests before their people, country and its environment. So tell me Kabimba, what value will arresting playing cat and mouse games with Lubinda, HH and Mumba will backfire. “You can cook for the village and they will eat. But when the village cooks for you, uzazinyela”.
cheap talk! what is this issue about Lubinda intelligent? if he was intelligent he would not treat his staff and constituency the way he has in recent times. he would also not divulge secrets using his office as anyone at that level knows the lines are bugged. it is also cheap talk that It is he that got the the vote in the last elections, it was the PF, let him stand as an Independent and you will see. anyone standing in Lusaka and Copperbelt on PF ticket would have won, got nothing to do with the individual.
This shows your ignorance. You have never lived in Kabwata constituency.
Zambians , why are we double standardized?This purely PF’s internal issue and no outsider should push PF to make a decision in favour of Lubunda.Yes, he is hard working , but he won because PF was a popular party.Go back into memory lane and see how Lubinda became PF-he came from upAndOWN.The Kaondes say “walya na banzolo, bankanga bakakunyema(eat with the chickens, the guinea fowls will run from you). This is the way this case be looked at.In fact, PF must commended for being sober minded.
His true colours of patriotism will be seen after the verdict, whether for or against.I hope and pray that Lubinda will “conduct himself with dignity and decorum.”
This culture of insults in the online media must stop.This clearly shows the end of thinking capacity(etc) by those using insulting…
Countrymen, let not our emotions take control of our thinking.
Cde Lubinda will still be given a platform to exonerate himself.
What is the big issue here?
The big issue here is that of one being innocent until proven guilty. He has not been fired as minister of foreign affairs, yet they wont let him do his job. They have spoken so much in the media instead of dealing with the matter internally. The stuff they have said in the media so far does not convince me. I am a PF supporter but I am entitled to divergent views. If my party can not explain to me exactly what my MP has done, I will no longer feel that my rights are safe with such a party and its government.
You seem to be the one making issues here.
And, by the way, they are still not explaining to me why they have a problem with dual citizenship, when we in the diaspora gave them overwhelming support. A guy like Lubinda understands the dual citizenship argument. The government can not even articulate there argument against it. Is this the disloyalty they mean?
Lubinda leaked party Information,wat more things do you want to be explained?Lubinda is even very lucky that he was given the opportunity to exculpate himself.I think PF is a very democratic party.Its very different from our working places,if one is found to be leaking infor frm for the org,one will be immediately fired without any warning or time to explain.
What information are we talking about? One Kabimba is taking advantage.
Paolo, what information? Please enlighten us kaili.
yes there we go pf another by election in mafinga as catherine has been expelled .lets finish mmd rebase it to ( dmm ) Department of Mental members.
IF FIND IT DIFFICULTY TO MEASURE THE INTELLIGENCE OF PEOPLE WHO SAYS OUR HAND WORKING GOVERNMENT.
WHAT HARD WORKING GOVERNMENT WITH PRICE CONTROLS,SHORTAGE OF ESSENTIAL FOOD STUFFS,FERTILIZER NOT DELIVERED TO FARMERS,FLOODS ALL OVER,NO OXYGEN AT UTH,ARM WORMS,RITUAL KILLINGS,DEMOCRATIC NORMS NOT FOLLOWED.
GIVEN LUBINDA BE CALM THE DAYS OF DEVIL ARE VERY FEW AND NO WEAPON MADE AGAINST YOU SHALL PROSPER,BETTER TO BE ALONE THAN IN A COMPANY
OF FOOLS.
GOD BLESS YOU.
Lubinda’s intellectuality is a rare persona in PF hence the tricks to make him sink so that those chaps who call themselve true PF members can have it easy to take over from bashi Mulenga. But whatever the case, loosing Given for a rightful reason i don’t condemn but allowing that ***** to personalise the party and make all these unnecessary comic when we nid Given’s contribution to develop this country is treasonable and one day that ***** and his minions must be made to account. I am not ready to seeing my money being wasted unnecessarily. This is pissing
Some Pipo have come to PF to destroy the party? Kabimba, who does not know why he want Lubinda out of the party? He is trying to creat a position for his girl friend Ma…………bo so that the imbecile in the foreign mission can be given back that post and embarance us as country . Guys, lets see reality here and see sense and not nonsense ala…
Wednesday 23, the day we have been waiting anxiously for Lubinda’s fate in PF. Kindly, let the Central Committee inform the general public what crime Lubinda has committed so that the outcome shall be understood because any judgement levelled against him without the public knowing the reason shall simply mount pressure of hatred and division within PF.
PF still needs Lubinda who has to be counseled if there is sufficient evidence to the allegations . The main issue with PF MPS, they are lacking experience and natural wisdom but operating offices out of excitement as they never expected to hold such government positions.
Can it be another by election?
It would be nice to know the exact charges that Given is being charged with.Otherwise him being sharp and well articulate,its beginning to look like a plot to get rid of him by people like Winter,to whom he maybe a threat!!
Mr/Ms Equalizer,
Have you seen my honourable members of the party discuss Cde Lubinda’s fate in public or live on TV? We, as a democratic party, could not stop you or anyone from speculating in the media.
The truth is Cde Lubinda has been found guilty by our party’s internal lower court. Our higher and final court is still to hear his case. Why are you stressing yourself?
Please help me. How different is Cde Lubinda’s case from Cde Namugala’s case?
The belong to two different political parties and their roles are different. Why are you comparing Lubinda to Namugala?. Lubinda is an issue here not Namugala. Let that woman deal with Sinfukwe’s wife. People in Kabwata voted for Lubinda and not Namugala and that is the reason they want to know the truth before you subject them to another stupid by election and money wasting venture in the name of by election. Mune Kabimba you will explain this to the people of Zambia one day.
It is Mr. Equalizer. I appreciate your direct questions. Firstly, we heard of this issue in the media. We as the public could not speculate if we had not known there was something to speculate about. Going by prevalent logic, it must therefore mean that someone else in PF leaked to the press proceedings that were taking place in private, and this was not Hon. Lubinda. Secondly, I amnot stressing myself. I am concerned that this case involves representatives of the people and should therefore be carried out in a transparent manner. When there is governance related concern on this level of leadership, whether justified or unfounded there is need for the relevant authorities to clear the air.
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If the issue was just about the party’s internal affairs, we would not be so concerned, but it is affecting government operations. That is of national concern.
If Lubinda has been found guilty, whatever you do with him as a party is your own internal issue, but what you do with him as our Minister of Foreign Affairs os of public interest and we would like to know that fate as soon as possible. Further more, as our area member of parliament we would like to know the party position so that we may plan the way forward with our support for him. We would have loved to work with the party, but if we feel Lubinda has been unfairly treated we will choose to defect, and the only thing that can clear this is information from the party about these charges and the details…
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As for the comparison with Namugala, we can see Namugala’s activities and we can see how members of her party might consider that disloyal, though we may not agree, but at least things are in the open. In the case of Hon- Lubinda, things are not that clear to the public, hence the speculation you mention. Secondly, MMD is not the party in government, so their mistakes are of less bearing on us as a nation. The activities in PF, and indeed in the government, are of more concern to us.
In governance, secrecy is cardinal. ba Lubinda paliba whiskey too much. And when the man is sloshed, oh boy, he spits it out! But for Lubinda, it’s not only when he is sloshed that he reveals party and government secrets, even when the man is sober in parliament, he writes cue cards to UPND back benchers to ‘shoot’ down motions raised by PF. As it is, PF is not obliged to explain in detail to the so-called Zambian Voice why the guy is being kicked out.
Well and good, dont explain, just kick him out and let the ball roll where it may. This sounds like arrogance to me, but hey… As people who live in Kabwata constituency, we will cast our vote according to what we know. If as PF you feel we dont have to know anything, well and good. Just dont blame us when we decide, for lack of ionformation which you are with-holding, to think that Hon. Lubinda is being unfairly victimized and for voting against PF next time around if he chooses to stand on any other ticket other than UPND or MMD. That is all we are saying.
Tayali: keep what you know to yourself. Every organisation has its rules, dos and don’ts. Any departure from the same has consequences. Masquerading as know- it- all just won’t take you anywhere.
Yes kabimba went to the media to announce a charge letter even when he was fully aware that LG was out on national duties,so let him state categorically the offences that LG has committed so that we can form an opinion.Otherwise it looks it is kabimba’s plan to get rid of pipo close to H.E. like he is also doing with GBM and mangani.
If Lubinda was leaking classified information discussed in the cabinet then he is even lucky to get away with an expulsion because doing so is a crime and could land one in jail.
Firstly, people vote for a political party and NOT for individuals. I and my line of relations never voted for Chiluba but for MMD. We will always vote for a party with good manifesto! Period.
Secondly, I announced Cde Lubinda’s misdeeds for the nation to know. The rest was left to our internal party courts. The public is however free to voice their opinions. This is democracy.
Thirdly, a political party is just like a club. If Cde Lubinda feels unfairly treated he is at liberty to move on to other political parties or to form one like Saki did.
In the past ministers like VJ were dropped without much hullabaloo. Even in democracies like SA, ministers are dropped or changed like turn coats!
So I do not understand why you are roasting me over Cde Lubinda?
So far no difference with the way mmd behavd once & if they continue thts how they ar losing it coz its lyk they want to be stubborn & if they want to see the wind of change blowing against them tell them behav themselves or else they will soon the leave the office…..
I ‘m shocked by lack of understanding by this Tayali and his cohorts. He is still asking the PF to explain the crime Lubinda has committed when already the disciplinary committe of the PF has found him culpable of spying for the UPND. Consult you Oxford Dictionary every time you don’t understand some words like treachery. Spying is a very serious crime.
mmmm ba LT spell check is ur friend! infact spell check shud be ur sista in christ!!-what is this now—> “The Zambian Voice Executive Director said his organisation believes that Mr. Lubinda is a victim of international petty jealousy in a raging succession battle.”ladies and gentlemen can we be seen to be serious!!..but im with the motion put fwd ba zambian voice..i want to know wat was leaked..Lubinda is a gud chap..PF has sum gud pipo but sata is letting this kabimba ruin PFs image or rather expose its ugly side..with his one man crusade!and if i may ask kabimba where’s his constituency ..he needs to go there and stay put
NGO’s should stay away from internal political party politics! Once this line is crossed, you are longer an NGO, you are a political party masquerading as an NGO of PF. Party squabbles has nothing to do with governance of the nation. Zambian democracy has suffered because of these ‘mini’ branches of political parties with hidden agendas known only by their masters. Every time their is a change of government, new NGOS comes up and the old ones fade out with their masters that’s why most of these NGO’s lacks professionalism because there is no continuity. We had Lufwekeko, Cifire and others who are now full fledged politicians and you wonder what the people , who were duped and donated huge amount of money, think when they look at these people.
Just becoz certain acts cannot be xplained does mean they cannot be taken. Good or bad pipo have left or fired in govt and G. Lubinda isn’t an exceptional. He has contributed enough to the govt let him contribute to his life. No one is indispenseable.
It is just stupid. Lubinda was voted bye the people And Kabimba has never faced the voters. Kabwata residents deserve respect how they are treating their chosen leader.