The Non Governmental Organization Coordinating Council (NGOCC) has condemned in the strongest terms the statement attributed to Defense Minister Geoffrey Mwamba in today’s edition of POST newspaper suggesting that when a man beats his wife it’s a sign of love.
Speaking to Qfm news in an interview this today, NGOCC acting Executive Director Bridget kalaba said that her organization was saddened to see that a person of high ranking position in government such as the Defense Minster can make negative statements that degrade all women in the country.
Ms.Kalaba noted that the statement by the defense minister is also an indication that he has no regard for the women.
Ms. Kalaba said that women must be respected regardless of their status in society.
She further noted that the law on gender based violence should not be overlooked by all peace loving Zambians.
Yesterday, the Defence Minister was quoted as saying a loving way of beating a wife is acceptable in his culture. During a Brothers for Life corporate breakfast meeting in Lusaka yesterday, Mr Mwamba said gender-based Violence in a ‘mild’ way was acceptable where he came from.
The working business breakfast meeting had a specific objective of securing support from the private sector towards increasing men’s involvement in addressing HIV, reducing gender-based violence and irresponsible alcohol consumption through the ‘Brothers for Life’ campaign.
“Dr Banda during his presentation, I saw a clip where gender-based violence was quite prominent. And again he did mention in his presentation that certain cultures take gender-based violence as a way of showing love to your partner. Where I come from, where Bishop Banda comes from, I think that is part of the game. If I don’t beat my wife, what I mean by saying beating my wife, I don’t mean beating my wife to an extent where she starts bleeding. There are two ways of beating. So I think gender-based violence, in a way, is also accepted but in a mild way,” said Mwamba.
PF Material.
kumenso kwati chilenya .pf( pama .fi)
Awe aba bena litole ilya fota.
The only thing he has authourity on pamo nichinankwe chi kambwili is overdose on cholesterol
Imwe naimwe ifwe kumwesu ukuma abakashi nokubashina amala mumatanta katemba chupo.
Ati ukubashina mu matanta…!! I will try that Friday night , becuase mailo ni ku job, I can’t manage ukuchesha.
As long as there are women like Mwamba’s wife who accept being beaten, domestic violence will never end.
Men are like dogs, you have to house train them and tell them how you want to be treated. My husband knows his place and we have a happy marriage.
Nubian Princess/ It is good you have tamed your dog! Not all men are dogs by the way, maybe only your hubby and GBM are!
Nubian princess, ati you have a happy marriage because you trained your hubby’ like a dog’, in your dreams. It’s a matter of time before you find your neck in your dogs jaws. You are subjecting your so called husband to some form of gbv. You need prayers and deliverance sister.
well! thats your hand picked PF cadre as minister of Defence at your service!!
GBM : Go Beat Mama
Commands to use when house training your doggy, rugged, ruffian, Zambian man:
1. If you ever put your hands on me, dont ever fall asleep because you will wake up without a pe n1.s
2. Keep a meat grinder in your kitchen shelf to carry out command 1
Uuuuuum…princess…that’s scarely.!!!!!!!
@Nubian Princess, don’t talk about Zambian men. This is about GBM and his Bemba culture. Why are you using diversionary tactics. Address the issue of this Bemba culture head on!
Mama Sutra Amen! This Bemba brigade does not seize to amaze me. Beating wives, having Canal knowledge of chickens and goats, eating monkeys, chitemene soil erosion.
Then their cousins the Tongas. Marrying over three women, mabisi, being tribal just like Bembas. Carrying 2 band radios on their shoulders.
Hahahahaha.
Isn’t this the same culture whose chiefs stood in defense of FTJ Chiluba’s theft of public resources claiming it was acceptable in their culture for people to steal mildly saying “uboma mwibala alila mwibala”? Some cultures?
Also Munwe taikata amafi…
Its not. Luapula Chiefs have no allegiance to Chitimukulu or any Bemba chiefs. They have their own culture. Go to school
may be in some traditions just as we saw one tonga man who used his wives as a plow for his farm using wife as plow at his farm
@nshilimubemba
some good bemba denial ka!
leave tongas out of this you primitive stupid bemba triblist… this about mwamba, a bemba man, defence minister, PF cadre who loves his wife by beating her!!!
if he can beat his wife..what about political enemies..?kekekekeke..PF wawa..
PF are self confessed liars, self confessed tribalists, self confessed wife batterers etc etc etc!
If the paddlers ( PF ministers) continue paddling in different directions the boat will surely go nowhere!
It will spin round and round
Then Ukwa will get more and more confused….
This man can not perform in bed, so he uses his big hand to beat his wife to lease his anger.
Allow my cadres to show some love to president Sata when he appears in Luangwa
Foolish man!
A European minister in a civilised country would be sent packing in an hour but in this Christian nation of freaken hypocrites called Zambia the Great Bag of Maize will get a big bonus.
That fat thing shouldn’t be in government. A government is supposed to respect its people and there it goes encouraging disrespect for the one half of the nation! It should resign. It said so itself that it doesnt depend on its salary for a living so it should just leave us alone and run its own businesses. We wont miss it!
This is the toothless organisation. They didn’t condemn Dora Siliti for raising the middle finger but today they are very vocal at GBM. Leave GBM alone mwefipuba mwe. Kumyesu ku Lubemba chalisuminisha ukuma umwanakashi as a sign of Love.
Ninshi mulifipuba kumwenu ku Lubemba
i condemn GBM in the strongest terms possible. No man should lay his hands on a woman no matter the reason. But am surprised though, the names that supported HH when he said that Nawakwi belongs to the kitchen are today scolding GBM, why? lets learn to condemn wrong things no matter who says or does them. Both HH and GMD’s political careers would have been over if they were in USA and they both need to apologize to all the women.
Quite some diversion there! It seems what HH allegedly said changes with the seasons. Just stick to the issue my dear. The HH issue was discussed to death. Besides what the Post alleged he had said differed from what was recorded by Muvi TV and other private media. It seems our Bemba friends have a perverted way of expressing their love. Since when has violence ever been an expression of love? GBM and his PF are sickos. This should be warning to none Bemba girls….you risk been battered to death in a frenzy of “Bemba Love” if date these kapolis.
Any man who beats a woman is a coward. Try to imagine a fight between GBM and Kabimba, who would end up on the floor gasping for breath? He should learn to pick on his own size, he will meet his match one day they we will enjoy watching him get thumped. Such a barbaric statement to make, yuck!!
Guy and Charlotte Scott should leave PF because of this statement by GBM right here. I do not see how they can call themselves civilized white people and still mingle with the likes of bushmen like GBM. If GBM’s wife was my sister, GBM would feel my wrath. PF are failures and they cannot develop this country, just accept it and continue living your life.
they should but they wont,, if they do,,who is going to throw stones at the opposition
The Land of oddities: justifying battery, erecting humps on a highway, appointing ministers with court cases, making summary appointment and firing within a week… where incompetent work that cause disasters is a sign of the world coming to and end… the circus has really come to town! Oh – and it is called a Christian Nation.
Squeeze his balls if he has any and tell him you love him. Stupid *****.
Kwata jimbindu!7
He doesn’t have….they sunk together with his D….ck in his big tumy…Useless ***** he is..
Feminism is a part of life, everyday, not just a theory. Let’s teach young boys to respect women, at home and at school.
A national of hypocrites!!! You dont want your women beaten or their so-called rights abused, but you won’t stand up and say the same for the right sog the gays. Arent they humans and Zambians too? You want the west to condemn detention oif your loser leaders, but you insult them when the want you to protect the rights of gays. You want the Chinese to invest in your mines but yot want them to do it for free! You can’t distinguish between sense and nonsense.
You are the one who cannot distinguish between sense and non-sense. You are comparing things that are incomparable. Being female is not a crime whereas vices such as homosexuality, pedophilia and bestiality are, period.
The only vice that cannot be forgiven is hypocrisy. The repentance of a hypocrite is itself hypocrisy.
Real men respect women.
This is a situation of where the general public knows about some perception that is pervasive in some quarters of our society and discussion of such is better left in beer halls as it can be justified as coming from low level drunk men.
That is why GBM need to learn what to say in Public as a minister. He can’t be clinging onto those beer hall or Tavern conversation in such dignified fora where people hung on every word that he says as a minister.
Haven’t they been long enough in power to learn to speak in public and for ONCE stick to the WRITTEN SPEECH. MAKE USE OF YOUR SPEECH WRITERS
PLEASE STICK TO YOUR WRITTEN SPEECH AND YOU WILL AVOID NONSENSE LIKE THIS.
This is what most of us feared most about PF, to have the likes of GBM, Nsanda and the rest of them, including the PLOT 1 occupant, who know nothing about civility, to occupy corridors of government. Can you believe it up to this day even Sata himself still doesn’t know what to say and what not to say publicly???
I agree with you up to a point you say public speech by those in government should be confined to what has been written for them .However ,while i dont agree with Mr Mwamba,i totally appreciate his being honest .It shows how he thinks.Shocking but clearly here is a man who needs help in his personal life and makes it public.
U IDI OTS YO TWISTING OF FACTS IS TOO MUCH. KALABA U MUST B DULL SO IS LT WHO NEVER WENT FURTHER IN PRESENTING DE 0 STORY WHICH SHOW DAT GBM REGRETED HIS ACTION .BUT DE FACT IS DAT EACH OF ETHNIC GROUPINGS HAVE CULTURES : SOME RE BEING DISCARDED.
WAS GBM IMPLYING THAT HE STILL SUPPORTS GBV OR JUST STATING THE FACT THAT SOME CULTURE ALLOWED FOR MILD GBV? MOREOVER, THAT ‘S ONE OF THE CULTURES BEING DISCARDED 2DA. THEREFORE, WHAT IS THE FUSSY? BAMUMBWE U JUST LIE IN WAIT 2 FIND FAULTS. DEMONS!
GBM and HH should come together and form the Chauvinist Pigs’ Party.
CPP….lol
Leave HH out of this! There’s nothing wrong with what he said. Tell your Edith Nawakwi to stop throwing stones at her opponents and then hide behind her soiled skirt when others hit back. Besides there’s no equivalence between physical violence and heated exchange of words. Calling a woman a bitch may be unacceptable but it is not a crime. But beating the woman is. So please Stop straining to divert and defend what GBM says is Bemba culture. Deal with your perverted Bemba culture!
Ba Mama Sutra Edith Nawakwi is not Bemba why attack Bembans each time you defend your HH?
@Kyuri Arse, Where did I claim that Edith Nawakwi is Bemba? It seems you have a very small brain and you find it difficult to process information. Do you even know what I am talking about and what prompted it? Honestly get lost if you have problems of comprehension and therefore unable to follow the sequence of arguments. By the way why do you think your contribution is numbered 26.3? Dimwit!
GBM has been honest enough to inform those of us who know nothing about the culture of where he hails from that wife battery is part of it. Now this explains why it is so difficult to coexist with some of these tribes.
WIFE BEATING IN ANY FORM IS DISGUSTING. THE MINISTER MUST HAVE PICKED UP THIS BEHAVIOR FROM HIS PARENTS, THERE IS NOTHING CULTURAL ABOUT IT. THERE ARE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO HAVE THIS ORIENTATION OF WIFE BATTERING. THEY NEED HELP JUST LIKE GAYS AND LESBIANS.
dont pay atention 2 NGOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCC Emo balila mu ma statement. so apa nababaza mailo shikengile. they r a toothless & dirctnless org who overlok all major prblms affctng women & girls & 2 cover up their failure, they bounce on anythng spoken by a men evn wen it is meant 2 b a joke. mwandi tata GBM kuishina na mama tu ma love shinaling
also, NGOs are full of women who ve never been married in their lives, all they do is grab other women husbands for a one night stand so what do they know about marriage matters. These singles in NGOs are just chigororo (Ubuchende) specialists.
What a loser!
Some of these comments here are so disgusting. How dare you support wife battery??? I pity your current and future wives. How did we vote these illiterate people in?
He is an *****.
I come from where he comes and beating women is not a sign of love. Its a sign of contempt, control, disgust, disrespect and totally backward behavior. I hope my daughter doesn’t marry a man like this.
Sickening.
Zambians!! You are a bunch of of bored losers! How do you spend time posting comments on a non issue?
Some cultures cut off part of the clitoris from the virgina!!
CNP?!! Really? Thats the most stupidest thing I have ever heard!!!! You of course obviously agree with this ***** and you need to be in jail with him and never be close to a woman ever again!
Thats the Calibre of Zambia ministers, so what lessons can we learn from him. God help us
What else would you expect a PF thug to say?
As long as there are women like Mwamba’s wife who accept being beaten, domestic violence will never end.
Men are like dogs, you have to house train them and tell them how you want to be treated. My husband knows his place and we have a happy marriage.
Another way to understand why some battered wives stay is to consider a common brain washing technique used by cults to take away normal independent volition. In this system a person is treated with alternately positive and then negative regard and behaviour for no reliably ascertainable reason. People treated this way fall into pleasing behaviour, trying to get the positive response.
The historical record of the behaviour of guards and inmates in prison camps offers another analogy that can also fit the battered woman’s situation. Guards often treated inmates erratically sometimes offering kindness (food, shelter, relief from labour) and sometimes meting out sadistic cruelty (beatings, starvation, and random shooting). Again, there was no way to prevent the cruelty or to earn the more humane treatment. This resulted in many prisoners giving up and becoming indifferent to beatings and self care. They stopped washing or feeding themselves and didn’t move to shelter to avoid the cold winds. People reduced to this state died rapidly.
I think this is much the same state battered women speak of as a “fog” they existed in while living with their abusers.
liar! Which european country? Some ministers in european countries ve openly fight in parliament elo nokucita ama secretaries babo bapena.
ignorance is bliss
A wife batterer was being interviewed on radio and noted that he battered his wife “because I love her.” His words reminded me of rapists who often believe that women want to be raped and they therefore rape women because they love women! Other rapists say: “I raped her because she deserved it!” Somehow, the raped woman had violated the rapist’s woman-related expectations, and rape was the method of choice to put her in her place. Some wives also violate their husbands’ expectations and they are raped and/or battered to put them in their place. On the radio program, one wife batterer claimed that assaulting his wife was much like using physical discipline on children: “We do this because we love children!”
Wife batterers, wife rapists, and other rapists and abusers of women generally refuse to acknowledge their hatred for women, and many are obsessed with telling themselves and others that their acts of hatred are acts of love! Typically “faulty learning” is blamed for this and professionals often fail to recognize the related factors operating in the minds of these abusive males. They are defending themselves – at the expense of sane thinking – from the conclusion that they hate women, and they often believe that only homosexual males hate women: a common stereotype in most cultures.
I am not mwinelubemba but i was born on the copperbelt and surely know well enough that not all bemba traditions allow this nonsense.It is not a bemba thing by the way ,in every race ,tribe creed and religion you find women and men who abuse their spouses.What makes it sad is that our minister is too proud to admitt he was wrong and still defends his action.Worse still he endorses the action.He clearly has missed it and if i were his adviser or president,i would have told him to retract his statement and go for councelling.How can such a mind be trusted to lead a nation?Nations have families as building blocks.
You’re Bemba my friend. And this is your culture. When GBM beat his wife and sat on her face in early 2012, his wife refused to press charges claiming that GBM was actually expressing his love when he battered. There was also another case in Kasama were a Mulenga beat his wife to death over Nshima. Kaseba also ran away from State House over the same. Sickos!
Simply shows THAT MONEY DOESN’T BUY BRAINS whilst it can buy most things!!!
To an extent yes,it happens.That is thy women also batters there husbands.
To an extent yes,it happens.That is why women also batters there husbands.
That is rubbish. Husbands Love your wives and wives submit yourselves to your husbands. That is what the bible says and when you marry you become one body how do you beat yourself? is that normal? NO NO NO NO NO. Respect your wives as wicker vessels.
Shame on Mwamba he is right because he does not know the door to the church otherwise someone who understands what the bible says he can not say beating is LOVE I think the hon minister is sick.
Ci mudala nacena ici, our hands are already full at the minute with the issue of subsidies he decides to start an unnecessary debate a non issue. Your Excellence here is an opportunity to get rid of this sack of maize, we’ve had enough from him already let him go and join UPND if he wants.
Your Excellence please fire this neanderthal so that he joins his mate Shakafuswa.
Don’t put words in Hn Mwamba’s mouth.
Ms Kalaba marry me, women who are talkative like you needs panel beating.
A man from all spheres must be respected.Let me tell you ms kalaba why women are beaten or battered these days.
1) infidelity 2) bad company or marriade women associating with whores,sangomas,tricksters,etc.Lack of respect fyonse ifi filaponwesha mummy refrain.Human rights….have a limit.if you want to play around dont get marriade.bambi muli tumaule sana muletwipaisha.so when i think of how much i have wasted on you and you treat me badly because i have raised your profile.wanya kukucita disfigure.
Men who beat their wives are not respected BUT feared by their wives ! There is a difference between the two. It is only when you look at your mother, sister or daughter, who are victims of physical abuse from their husbands that you can begin to appreciate the effect that it has on the person. Even the devil quoted the bible to suit his own evil dids and it is very easy for an ABUSIVE MAN to quote from the book of GOD !
I married my wife 25 years ago and surely we’ve had our differences but I have never raised a hand against her delicate beauty. Probably due to the fact that I LOVE MY WIFE DEARLY !
Kalikeka You are my man!
Humor is delicate balancing act. Jokes about men-women or Black-White, poor-rich tend to remain jokes. Reality is quite close to what GBM is trying to explain. Live according to your standards. Avoid prejudice or stereotype.
Clearly, GBM is confusing ‘Control’ with ‘love’. In a traditional marriages, control is of the essence. Some men achieve it by wife beating. Love in a traditional marriage is not the primary reason people get married, no. On the other hand, in a civil marriage, a man and woman fall in love and they decide to get married. Once we understand the basic difference, we will know how to respond to GBM’s confusion…
we are Africans and beating is our culture,wives are treated liked children even the our traditional says so
No my dear we may be Africans but we have different cultural practices. Isn’t it the same Bembas who have this disgusting practice of making recently widowed women to sleep with male relatives of the deceased? They call it cleansing (sic)! Now we have GBM telling the world that spousal abuse is part of his Bemba culture!
Titus 2:4-5 says, “Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”
Witnesses – 1 Peter 3:1 says, “Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives.”
Examples – 1 Timothy 3:11 says, “In the same way, their wives are to be women worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything.”
Titus 2:4-5 says, “Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.”
GBM wamusebanya sana kwena!But luckily he is speaking for himself and his opinion should be misled to think it is a Bemba Culture. My dad was a Bemba who married a Tonga woman and they were married for more than 40 years and I never saw them fight, just like my other relatives. SO this is not a Bemba culture but GBM’s sick mentality. How I wish GBM could be disciplined and dropped as a minister for inciting unsuspecting foolish men and misleading them! Bashibukombe tufundileniko chimadumbo chi GBM!
These widows and divorcees from these so called ngos are just frustrated because they can’t find husbands and we know what frustration can do. They have no moral right to condemn GBM now because they knew what sort of person he was before they voted for him. The man was arrested for clobbering his wife so why are you making noise. Give us a break you pretenders and find your own men.
Is this the calibre of leaders that you brought into a Zambian government in this 21st Century? Oh what a mess ! These PF guys have really messed up our beloved country and deserve to be kicked out !!!
You FAT ASS need to be caged ! This applies to ALL the ARROGANT fools in the government of PF ! Is is heart breaking to always hear bad news about these PF guys !! This Zambia is what you put into government????
GBM has displayed some unbelievable ARROGANCE before, BUT he has now OUTDONE himself by PROUDLY announcing that it is OKAY for the Zambian men to MILDLY BEAT THEIR WIVES !! I am also a BEMBA but DO NOT SUPPORT HIS SENTIMENTS IN THIS REGARD !!! IT IS BUFI !!!
Why beat someone?? for what??? Be civilized !!!! this is the 21 century and not BC .
You are too LARGE, with a PEA-sized Brain ! Shame on you and your ABNOMAL SIZE !!!
What can I say ?? I am a Great Bag of unsubsidised bag of Maize (GBM) !
You mean you are a “GREAT BIG bag of unsubsidised MAIZE ?
Every time my brother beats his wife, his brothers-in-laws and father-in-law come to his house and also beat him up to teach him a good lesson !
If you do not have blood brothers to teach your abusive husband a lesson, just hire some street brothers to teach your arrogant abusive husband a lesson ! It is allowed if you do not want to divorce him !! At least if he feels what you feel, he will begin to perceive your physical & emotional pain !
Show me a single province in Zambia where there are no wife beaters? People need to learn to analyse. Even here in the UK there are wife beaters. The difference is the legal system and people’s attitude.
Fsek! Ukwina Kwati ni kapoli! Kunshi takwaba nangu cimo.
Illiterate, uncivilized and uncultured. Bembas do not condone ukuma umunobe mwaikala nankwe. Kwita Aba cikalamba ku milandu. Wila bepa abantu we cibulamano we.
Ifimafuta!
Why is this guy a minister again?
Gbvs organisations rights activist ngocc who ever and what ever you call your selves no one thing for sure a mans anger has no limit of whatsoever..if women cross a red line in a matrimonial home infidelity ubuchende ubule noku bwata uka..she will surely be battered to coma..men are not scared of prisons in such situations circumstances so mild gbv is allowed if there is no mild gbv a mans anger keeps on accumulating day by day the day his going to unlish his anger on you am telling you..u will not be alive