A Constitution indaba comprising opposition parties and the Government seeking consensus on the Constitution making process is set for April 30.
Boniface Chembe the Executive Director for Southern Africa Centre for the Constructive Resolution of Disputes-SACCORD, an organisation organizing the indaba has told ZNBC News by telephone that the Indaba will provide a platform for questions and responses in sticky issues regarding the Constitution making process.
Opposition parties have already written to government seeking a meeting, which they say should be chaired by President Michael Sata, to iron out issues regarding the process.
Justice Minister Wynter Kabimba has already welcomed the idea to hold the Indaba.
Mr Chembe says the meeting is expected to bring all stakeholders together and is expected to put them at the same level on where the process is coming from and where it is.
He said the meeting is also expected to discuss the way forward.
Awesome! Way to go.
good to hear but dont see any good coming out from PF dirty mouths
Opper Hamiyanze is a Political obligate Parasite
Who cares about April 30th
The opposition should not matter here. Make it 31 December 2015
The constitutional is trivial and is only advocated by people with limited judgement and people scratching on our intelligence
#unimpressed
Thanks
Watch this space. All kinds of PF riffraffs will jam the press claiming and congratulating their leader for being a listening President. What a bunch of defecates.
ya! this sound like pressure from people who usual give PF govt KALOBA!
Infact….. NO need for this indaba, just a waste of more resources and time
Just release the draft constitution,,,, it has alreay been paid for by tax payers
Very good.
Kabimba bring your PF militia or are your representing the 4th RP, we have Libongani on our side now.
See you there.
GO WITH AN ANIMAL DRIVEN CONSITUTION OTHERWISE THE MAN WILL NOT TALK
Faka pressure HH faka pressure opposition.
Some legal mind to assist please: is there anything wrong with the Technical Committee that drafted this document being part of this indaba? And please don’t turn yourselves into ANOTHER constitution making body, but make sure that there’s only ONE item on the agenda – The Adoption procedure/process ( A Firm Timetable with dates of the important milestones) chapwa, kwasila, basi, kwamana, kyapwa…!!!
So it has come to this. All those who want to see the outcome of the constitutional consultations which have take so many years at such great expense and which the Technical Committee have pieced together are now considered OPPOSITION by the PF who themselves (while in opposition) wanted a new constitution so much that they promised to give it to Zambians in 3 months if voted into power. The Selfishness in man has now come out! Are you going to go back to the Zambians to ask them whether they agree with your new approach to the whole issue. Strange that once in Power the PF has kidnapped the new (draft) constitution and is calling upon Zambians to pay a ransom before it is released. Will PF state exactly what this ransom is. It is definitely not money…….
where’s my yawn!
May be my prayers are about to be answered. Let us have the Mother of the INDABA to bring desired results promptly, without any winners or losers, in the best interest of our Mother Zambia. Please no SITTING ALLOWANCES just desired constitution in this year of jubilee!
Opper Hamiyanze is a Political obligate Parasite
Kabimba should be excluded from this indaba for the sake of progress.
Hate people whose resolve in life is simply to argue even where there isn’t any need to. He will be briefed by the guy that appointed him if need be.
………I can imagine what the PF ransom package is:
(1) No new constitution with 50%+1
(2) No new constitution with running mate provisions
(3) No new constitution with provisions for clear separation of powers
(4) No new constitution with reduced powers of the President
(5) No new constitution with provisions for freedom of political expression, association, assemly – Public Order Act should not be tempered with.
(6) etc
In short, any clauses that allows ordinary Zambians the right to, and channels to demand accountability from government, are not wanted. If you agreed to this the PF government would enact the new constitution in less than a month. PF are afraid of what UNIP and MMD were afraid of – PEOPLE POWER.
Good !! That is what we, as a nation, need to hear !! A government that lends an ear to its people!! So, now we will wait and see what follows!!
@Kalikeka:
I HAVE A VIEW:
1. As a country we shud ‘ humbly’ ( thru voting
of course) ask PF to leave govt and will get
back to them after sometime.
2. We shud keep ALL the major parties
(PF,UPND& MMD) intact. And these shud b
OUR Major parties like the USA or the UK or
Indian way.
3. Lets work hard to change the Constitution to
allow Coalition govt/ 50+1.
4. Let b Unkted as Zambians either PF or
whoever and lets ‘mutually’ agree on this. Fhen
Zambia will DEVELOP TRIBAL ISSUES ASIDE.
Please publish my VIEWS. IVE A GREATER PLAN
of we can POSITIVELY change politics of our
country for GOOD.
GOD BLESS Zambia
The preferred route would be the meeting requested by the opposition to engage with the president,that would resolve the differences with the SOURCE!This so called indaba will be just talks about talks.We have already done a lot of talking it is time to IMPLEMENT what was contained in the terms of reference.
If you need concesus HOLD a national REFERENDUM!
Sata-n chairing the INDABA? You must be kidding.
Just wait to hear and see what will happen when 30th April draws near. Mark my words!
An INDABA with PF, impossible!
More credible observation @ Sara for the few days leading to April 30 th are most critical! Personally I have no reason to be hopeful for any good to happen
@mwine Mushi,
You are actually a few steps ahead of everybody and I concur with you. It seems Kabimba is trying to shield Sata from the opposition and the our people from facing them in and giving his reasons why he has stalled the constitution-making process at the 11th hour. Why can’t he just face the people and answer the questions that have been prepared for him over the constitution process??
How do we know that the people at the Indaba will be a comprehensive representatives of the masses on the ground?? This is all very suspicious!! Come to think of it!!
Kabimba wants to protect Sata from all hard questions about the “Animal-driven constitution” and the sacking of the constitution-making committee before they could finalise the handing-over ceremony….
He would rather “hide in Stae house” , while ka Kabimba manipulates the talks at the Indaba….
If you ask me…there has been too much talking over this constitution-making process…It is time for ACTION…that is the REFERENDUM !!! Otherwise, there will be talking until the talkers are blue in the face…It is a PF trick…a waste of time, actually!!!!!
The attendance should not be restricted to political parties civil society organisations should also be represented. The constitution is for zambians not politicians as such let the representation for the indaba increase. Its zambians who want the constitution.
Thank You for Listening.
Njojolamba for President!
Now that’s the listening government for the people. get prepared boys wooo. And be carefully what you wish for
You seem to be forever stuck on $tupid.
I thought there was already a roadmap for this constitution making process, the only problem is that the PF govt has frozen and now thinks the constitution is not a priority. This much has been said several times by the President himself and the VP. What good will come of talking to Wynter about it?
From Anglican Communion website:-
What is Indaba?
Indaba is a Zulu word for a process common among many African ethnic groups. For example the Shona of Zimbabwe refer to the process as Padare and in Kenya the Kiswahili word Baraza is used. Such gatherings are also well known in many cultures outside Africa, for example among the indigenous communities of the first nations of North America, and among the people of India.
The process is best described by those for who it is part of their heritage. The Archbishop Thabo Makgoba of Cape Town describes Indaba as ‘a gathering for purposeful discussion.’ As Archbishop Rowan Williams pointed out to the Bishops at the 2008 Lambeth Conference that such processes have been part of the tradition of the Church, especially among the Benedictines and…
There is absolutely no need for this country to take this route. I urge all those advocating for Indaba to rubbish it. pf is obliged to give the Zambian people a people driven constitution without aa husstle. Going this route is a sign of a midiocre way of doing things, also a sign that government is empty of ideas on issues of National Interest. There is no need to be happy about the indaba. pf was elected by the people in a straight forwatd manner and is expected to reciprocate the gesture in a democratic way.
Abash Indaba.
continued…among the Benedictines and the Quakers.
There are two articles to enable you to understand what Indaba is. The first – Essence of Indaba – was initiated by Archbishop Thabo for the Lambeth Conference and is available to download here.
The second is by Ven. Dr. Ndung’u Ikenye and is a more detailed account of a Kikuyu process. Dr Ikenye seeks to apply a Kikuyu system for conversation and healing of community to the Anglican Communion.
His conclusion is that ‘the Agikuyu accepted the notion of natural unity and diversity in apprehensions and viewpoints. The core of dialogue was to build and maintain community. As Anglicans engaged in dialogue and conversation on human sexuality and its ends, the maintenance of Anglican Identity and mission that define our life must be kept as…
Please opposition pump sense into those honorable useless govt officials with cadre mentality about the importance of the constitution. It is the most important issue for Zambians now. We are willing to forgo roads, district offices for bribing the electorate, tribal universies, etc because all these actvities are not effective, efficient and sustainable without the foundation of a people constitution. We can even starve for sometime in order to achieve our constitution but we know that it will yield sustainable development under good governance. Remind the PF that they are not kings because they are in power. They should listen to us the masses and if international donors are not willing to fund the census/referendum, the $1billion kaloba can be used to cover this. Please go prepared.
AN INDEPENDENT PERSON AND SATA MICHEAL SHOULD CALL CHAIR THE INDABA
LET THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THE DRAFT CONSTITUTION UP DATE THE NATIONWHERE THEY ENDED AND THERE AFTER THE INDABA MUST PICK IT FROM THERE SO THAT ZAMBIANS ARE NOT DRIBBLED AGAIN. THIS IS FOR AVOIDANCE OF WASTING TAX PAYERS MONEY. OR ELSE THIS WILL AN ACADEMIC EXERCISE AGAIN. DONT ALLOW PF TO GROSS OVER THIS ISSUE. I KNOW THERE WILL COMPETENT PERSONS IN THIS MEETING TO CHECK THE EXCESSES OF PF NON COMMITMENT AND DECEITFULNESS
GOD BLESS ALL ZAMBIANS TO CONTINUE PRAYING FOR OUR MOTHER ZAMBIA FOR PEACE TO CONTINUE TO PREVAIL AS PF IS MAKING ZAMBIA ANOTHER RWANDA. AS ZAMBIANS LET SAY NO TO VIOLENCE. I TRUST THAT PF THUGS WILL NOT START GIVING INSTRUCTIONS TO LIBONGANI ON WHAT TO DO THIS TIME AROUND.AS ITS IS AN IMPORTANT…
I bet UPND sycophants are excited. you should be grateful the leadership under Kabimba has made this possible
You seem to be forever stuck on $tupid.
wasted sperm.u must have cried the day u were born
Welcome Kudos with your compulsive obsession to have a go at UPND. For your information the Indaba is not between PF and UPND. It is between the PF and the rest of Zambia. PF being the party in power is holding the constitution hostage until Zambians pay – stop demanding democratic rule and rights. Reminds one of KK’s meetings with apartheid rulers in no man’s land in a train. You will definitely accuse me of insulting when all I am doing is to see similarities.
Kudos. please do not kill for political gain.
Long after the 90 DAYS PROMISE has expired we are now going to have a discussion? I think this is just another PF excuse to delay and derail the process.
But I agree, we should support this meeting. PLEASE CAN WE HAVE IT LIVE ON TV?!!!
I am missing some of Satas COMEDY SHOWS!
Get the popcorn ready!
I am not a pessimist but I have doubts about the unpredictable Mr Sata chairing and allowing the meeting to take place. I hope he will have the change of heart and put the interests of the nation above anything else.
…Indaba…???
I see the opposition and other pressure groups taking off ‘hard’ gloves and putting on kid gloves to ‘fight’ the process…..
The govt must be very excited about this indaba because they will manage to take all on board of the failed ‘ship’…. The Indaba shall be construed as part of the process…
I would want to be optimistic, but something deep down me is telling me there is something just not right about this Indaba
Its wait and see situation…..
when ever this guy mushota posts a comment,the best way is never give it attetion.pretend u ar with him by ignoring his rubish.treat him like a smallest insect.that is the way to deal with pipo with no brains.
@lord of the ring 2,
That’s the best way,bloggers don’t waste time on this mushota boy.lets listen and follow the advice from lord of the ring.the best way to stop a fool is to keep quite.
wasted sperm.u must have cried the day u were born
some1 has hijacked my name.look carefuly.The name appears the same but mine has no ‘s’after Ring.i hope its not mushota.i hav no link with the insulting comment above.
The picture of Sata in the post newspaper seated between Mr Kaunda and Rupiah look scary, the man is sick. I mean, he is shrinking and looks much older than the tow who are actually older than him. Apparently Rupiah was later heard complaining that Sata was stinking of urine, it confirms the man is nailed to a urinary bag.
He is also yellowing bad! This is no doubt effects of the chemotherapy he is on, the next thing is the hair is falling off. We’ll see how that will sit with his sangomic phobia for bald heads if his goes bald.
I though also think Kaseba has put Zondwa on “Jaribu”, ukufita kwali chilile mo Ukwa, ubuloshi over over!
Don’t know whether to trust this PF govt at this indaba.After 90 days every promise will be invalid.
There is quietness before the storm. Something very stormy is about to happen. Jesus have mercy on us the sinners and protect all. Let the goodness of our elders, compassion of our mothers, toil of our farmers, hard work of our workers and simplicity of our children triumph over the evil, in whatever form it exists or manifest. Exorcise our nation of all ills. Amen.
Have the PF cadres agreed to this indaba. We need a statement from Kamba since he is more official on such matters, so we can know if our opposition leaders will be safe there.
HH is not a solution, this is bcoz his mouth preaches hatret since he joined the political arena.