The Grand Coalition on a People Driven Constitution has observed that the country will go to the 2016 polls under the current constitution if people won’t stand up to the government and demand for the document.
Grand Coalition Deputy Chairperson Beatrice Grilo who was part of the meeting between the Oasis Forum and Justice Minister Wynter Kabimba said the current Government will not give the people their desired constitution as there is no political will from the current administration.
Ms. Grilo noted that the PF Government keeps saying the constitution is not a priority but has wondered if roads that are being constructed are a priority when mothers at the highest referral hospital; the University Teaching Hospital (UTH) are delivering on the floor.
She explained that Mr. Kabimba continues to remain adamant on holding on to the document because there are some contentious clauses that government is not comfortable with such as the 50 plus 1 claus.
Ms. Grilo however said the country will have the desired document sooner or later.
“It may take a bit longer but believe you me will get the constitution, whether the Patriotic Front want it or not we will get the constitution, we may not get it before 2016 because they are arrogant but we will vote them out and the person to come in will give us one but we want it now because starting the process again will cost us more money which would be spent on other areas such the UTH which more of a priority than the roads.” Ms Grilo said.
She charged that the current administration lacks political will as their reasons for not giving the people the document are motivated by selfish interests not the reasons being put forward.
“Its political will that we are lacking, we know and I’m not ashamed to tell you that there are some contentious clauses that some people are not comfortable with. The constitution is being delayed because of the contentious clauses otherwise if there were no contentious clauses the document would have been released by now,” she said.
Ms. Grilo was commenting on Wednesday’s meeting between Justice Minister Wynter Kabimba and the Oasis Forum were the Minister reiterated that the country has more important priority areas to spend its resources on and not the new constitution.
It is not possible to get it before 2016 if all channels have to be exhausted. So since it is apparent that we won`t get it soon what about you concentrating on other issues? People won`t eat the constitution.Time we talked about real issues affecting ordinary people in Kaputa and Shangombo.
Constitution,constitution ! Twalema navo.
Bla bla bla ! Yawn.
@Saulosi S
You have doubted my ability to engage in a debate. Let me engage YOU in this one. Back in October 2011 Sata promised a new-people driven constitution in 90 days. This was part of his inaugural address to parliament? It is going to three years now. It has become clear that the president did not tell the truth. The least he could have done was to release the draft as soon as the committee was done. If there were channels that would take more than five years to complete the Constitution, why did Sata make it sound so easy? And Dr. Saulosi, what channels are these. Can you be specific. I will not be personal nor should you. Debate me.
Don’t bother with Saulosi, Kabimba calls such his illiterate followers
@Sick Saulosi
So you have some semblance of intellectuality in you after all ha? I’m impressed.Never thought a person capable of constructing a good argument like this one you have made at times sinks as low as resorting to insults and character assination when he doesn’t agree with other people’s views.By channels i mean things like the document being tabled before cabinet.You just can’t release a document like that anyhow.Sata said so because he under estimated the work involved in having a new constitution in place.It won’t be possible before 2016 because of the expense involved.It must be subject to a referendum and we can’t afford having a referendum this year and a few months later general elections.Better to have both at the same time(running them parallel).
My prayer now is for this disease to take away Sata,then we can have non animal driven constitution, you no some pipo just need to go out of planet earth and then peace will reign.
Larry
My prayer now is for this disease to take away Sata,then we can have non animal driven constitution, you no some pipo just need to go out of planet earth and then peace will reign.
Who needs a new constitution when we don’t even have jobs ?
Dr Jay Jay
why can’t you come up with your own ” fake” name. you are really pathetic.
@Saulosi
Look who is talking about sinking low. At least you agree that Sata did not tell the truth. A president should not make “under estimations” in public, especially on such a serious matter. In this modern age and era, there is no constitution that takes more than five years. The cabinet you mention is always at the service of the people. If referendum is the problem, that’s what should be the bone of contention only after the draft has been made public. The problem is because you are a PF cadre you are inclined go with your party and give the false impression that a constitution is elastic. No scholar will agree with you. Stop treating people as if they are kids, you…(oh, I’m sorry).
Soulosi
It actually shows that your reasoning is at the level of Sata. Is it you who forced Sata to say 90 days? How long has this F.OOL called Sata been in government not to have know that 90 days is not possible.
Your reasoning is so childish just like him
@Saulosi S
You want to sound like a saint. You forget times when you have insulted or demeaned other people. You call HH names and insult him…and other people too. That’s why I think you are such a thick brick. This not an insult. It is a compliment.
Ki ki ki it’s amazing how many people think their way is both the only way and the universe’s way.I presume this represents a dry sense of humour.
Constitution my as$ ! Give me a job i won’t forget you, not this crap.
@Saulosi,
You are like a millipede (Bongololo), when the tough gets going you coil yourself as if dead. I thought you would comment on my response to you. Understandably, your opinion is based on your party affiliation. Why don’t you say something no matter how childish. I know you very well Saulosi. You are quick at offending, then you dodge and appear like what you have said is intelligent. You love it when your minions praise you. Look at the comments you have made over the years–some very unfair. Why do you at times take the blame and admit you are not perfect. If anything you are the one who launches personal attacks and insults. Watch your dirty mouth young man.
This is the same Saulosi who constantly calls HH under 5 just because Mr chief insulter himself said it. You want to call a grown man under 5, a man who has achieved more than what you, your father, and grandfather put together have achieved. Just admit it PF is flip flopping on the matter because of some of the clauses in the constitution. You are not smart Saulosi, just another Mushota who says stupi d things to get a reaction.
You got love Saulosi’s maturity.Just look at how he responds to insults from small brains.I don’t agree his political affiliation, but hey the brother knows how to handle small brains like this sick Saulosi guy that always insults him.Respect bro.You the man !!
@Cynthia Texas,
You have changed your moniker from Nubian Princess to Patricia to Cynthia in one day. Something interesting is emerging about you. First your writing is clear, it is as mean as ever. You demean and insult like the Nubian Princess. We shall expose you. Saulosi and yourself have been insulting people over the years. We are determined to bring this to an end. Saulosi in particular is the hypocrite of the year, hiding in grain-brained people like yourself. He has absolutely nothing to offer apart from lemon comments about the PF. Let the expose begin.
The newly proposed legislation, unveiled in June, explicitly targets the exploiters – meaning the pimps and johns – and positions women who end up in the sex trade as victims, not criminals. If passed, the bill will criminalise the purchase of sex, pimping, and third-party advertising for sexual services (meaning it would be legal for a prostitute to advertise his or her own services, but not for others to advertise on their behalf).
Prostituted people would be decriminalised, though it would be illegal to communicate for the purposes of selling sex near a playground, school or daycare.
Constitution won’t bring the countless lives being lost in traffic accidents,it won’t put food on my table,it won’t give my brother Alan a job,it won’t save my cousin Cynthia from breast cancer nor will it improve the road reading to my home village in Petauke.Lets be serious Zambians.
There goes another fool Kabimba was referring to; they easily buy a lie. Constitution will ensure Kabimba gets controlled and does not steal our money the way he is openly doing it now.
Can’t these thick Zedian think right for a change?
Next topic please.Too much of this.
do u enjoy sex lady coz i can give u a good 1
Yes i do.Hope you have a big one like Bobby East.I want one big enough to make me forget about this constitution.
Do we have adults on this blog?
Brave it up People’s Darling Grillo: As for Kabimba whose puppet master’s is he? For a Lawyer, his views on the constitution are unacceptable even to the bottom level of the Legal Fraternity
Alliance; we are the people who need a sustainable, plus people’s driven constitution.
Who owns the Zambian Government as of now; Chinese dishing out cash; Americans squeezing whoever is calling the shots at thisvery second; the Brits through ‘ what-shama-call-it as one would say!
Oh god! there goes another wasted sperm yapping about the constitution. blah blah blah! get a life chaps
editor, where are my comments, have you become UPND as well?
A constitution is essentially a contract between the govt and the people it governs, so this document is an absolute must from the get go. We don’t start work at a company without signing a contract. The same goes in this case. The current constitution is crap and favours only one person, the president who uses it only to intimidate, bully people and lazing around doing nothing.
Kabimba has sat on this document for too long, its a long time in hell before I can even touch such a c.r.a.p.y piece of sheet, we need fresh copies printed.
You r right mama. Infact ths constitution is still murky.
God loves Zambia. The only pain over ths
ISSUE is the MONEY PF has spent BUT the
calibre and PROFILE of people who where
drafting this DOCUMENT is questionable.
Honestly wht can come out frm the head of
Simon Kabanda !!!
This constitution won’t change a thing to my life.I don’t give a damn about it.
when they will temper with your life and you realise you have no constitution to defend you then you know importance of constitution. just few days a young boy under 18 is taken form luano to kabwe and thrown in cells no voice you think one day this never catch you if we continue with current one my dear.
#10 John# In fact, nothing in your life will change if you don’t have a new constitution. We have been at this development game for fifty years and no one thinks we are where we should be. PF is not the first Party to build roads, schools, hospitals ect.. In fact UNIP built more of those in their first 5 years than PF and it still did not get us that far. You can prove Albert Einstein’s theory of madness: doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result. The Constitution is a game changer. It will realign the balance of power from the Presidents, who have abused power and abused the people. It will unshackle the people to make the executive accountable during the term of office NOT after. It will ensure meritorious appointments to improve efficiency. It will stop…
#John 10# It will stop Presidents from buying MPs to defect to ruling parties and weakening Parliament in the process. It will stop journalists from being praise singers so that they can be themselves and be able to write critical material without fear. It will subject every loan to critical debate. It will ensure no President can go into hiding and hold the state to ransom without a proper explanation to Parliament. It will create new centres of power so that institutions can check each other. It will strengthen institutions so that they can act independently. Above all it will ensure the state will never trample on people’s rights of speech, movement, assembly and association even under the worst demagogue. These are the things that will develop our country. We need the new…
#John 10# That is why we need the new constitution now, not later, because we can not afford to lose any more time.
PF’s refusal to release the Constitution is purely a political ploy. It is the only way PF can ensure a slim chance of bouncing back into power. But this is not clean democracy. It is a betrayal of trust of the Zambian people. Indeed, the country is being held hostage by PF politically.
What a contradiction! PF are up-beat regarding their performance as a government. But if they are indeed delivering on their campaign promises, like they are not hesitant to claim, why are they scared to run on a clean ballot, come 2016?
Unfortunately the president does not know that his primary job is to defend the constitution. Wen in opposition that he knew until he reality set on that its not easy.
Give government the benefit of doubt. The hesitation in release of the constitution must be taken as a rational move by government in its desire to protect public good. There is no compiling reason for the release of a half-baked constitution. Who are the drivers? Who are the passengers? Stick to the elements that are objectionable or acceptable.
Blah blah blah, if we had the Oasis Forum of 2001 we would have the constitution tucked away by now and moved on to other priority areas. Also it seems the fire of 1991 is not with us at present. We have to wait for a firebrand leader to appear on the Zambian political scene who can challenge the status quo of Kabimba, hopefully he will appear on the scene sooner rather than later. Not these spineless clowns you call politicians, church bodies or civil society!
Constitution ,constitution , constitution , come on there are important issues on the ground don’t bother us with that paper we want to think of more important matters
@: wantashi, Vilifier, Anderson Chisala, Mei Matunga, Dr Makasa Kasonde:
Rightly said all of you; a Constitution is a contract; except it is a governance contract: On which the last political campaigns were based; except PF came out and articulated that they would put in place a desired constitution. They have not done so beyond the 90 Days; now three years.
We all know that the new constitution must address: reducing the levels of governance to two; rural and central; vest former crown land to the center; and former tribal land to the chiefs; merge District administration to the chiefs rural administration and local members of parliaments in their respective areas to the people they are supposed to represent.
We all know these facts but the constitution devised by KK was supposed to…
Zambia holds the record of the country with the most constitution reviews in the region…Since it seems to be a big problem to get us a constitution that will stand the test of time why don’t we go the United Kingdom WAY. The UK has no constitution and they are doing so much better than arrogant and pompus Zambians.
We all know that the new constitution must address: reducing the levels of governance to two; rural and central; vest former crown land to the center; and former tribal land to the chiefs; merge District administration to the chiefs rural administration and local members of parliaments in their respective areas to the people they are supposed to represent.
We all know these facts but the constitution devised by KK was supposed to protect the center and we have not addressed this cardinal and fundamental problem!
You have doubted my ability to engage in a debate. Let me engage YOU in this one. Back in October 2011 Sata promised a new-people driven constitution in 90 days. This was part of his inaugural address to parliament? It is going to three years now. It has become clear that the president did not tell the truth. The least he could have done was to release the draft as soon as the committee was done. If there were channels that would take more than five years to complete the Constitution, why did Sata make it sound so easy? And Dr. Saulosi, what channels are these. Can you be specific. I will not be personal nor should you
Well if the constitution contains contentious issue/s, then a draft should be released, so we the people can Also voice our will. Why are we shut out, and clearly Grillo will not divulge these contentions either. Ohoooh it’s all so hush hush!
Hey GUYS. instead of fighting each other, why don t we ask and debate on WHY is the pf so afraid of releasing the new constitution?
@Mutale Chileshe Let us say that a President of a republic is entitled to a volte farce; perfectly legitimate. In a given political quandary, unknown to the rest of us, ours was entitled to back-track on all the 90 Days promises; perfectly legitimate as a political game.
Therefore, we need an intelligent explanation; other than what Hon Kabimba is saying, about the Fundamental Governance Document; the Constitution.
Let alone in a Banana Republic which Zambia should not be; we must hear some coherent argument from the Ministry of Legal Affairs.
From what we have now, we must question those Learned Professors in the Distinguished School of Law of the University of Zambia; how we happen to end up with a learned product from their institution such as the Minister of Legal Affairs: Hon…
From what we have now, we must question those Learned Professors in the Distinguished School of Law of the University of Zambia; how we happen to end up with a learned product from their institution such as the Minister of Legal Affairs: Hon Kabimba!,
I keep asking who will organise us so that this government and not Kabimba listen to our demands? Kabimba has locked away our president Sata and wants to lock us away to eat the cake alone. We should not allow him
@Melliot Mwango 15…..!!
Wht do u expect from Bastards ? There is NOTHING IN THS GOVERNMENT to thank about. Nothing can come frm this Govt.
ALL. Zambians shud forget about ths Document, credible govt will give us ths Document !!
Grilo, what a name! Its suits her rightly and quite urgly as you would expect. I know she is a hired gun, so who is her pay master who puts foot on her table. Is this the same lady that was abusing dr manda?
She should get a life and find a real job and not hiding behind the so called NGOCC crap.
most Zambians on this platform talking about the constitution are dull.if the document is not important as some of u say why did they decide to pump in money into something that is less important. what has made it to be a less important today. they can’t tell us it has contentious articles when I have not seen it.lets have it and edit it if necessary.kibimba is not government and neither is Sata. most of PF sympathizers are naturally dull just like there master.I say so because mostly they rush into commenting even on things they least understand.u are talking about something serious, in response someone is talking abt food.let’s get serious for once. I need the draft constitution so that certain things are changed. the Presidential powers are too much.public resources are abused in…
public institutions and people go unpunished. kaili niva government. for wasting billions of kwacha, we need to demand for the money back.