Scores of PF youths marched through Cairo Road to Cabinet Office on Thursday afternoon protesting against the appointment of Vice President Guy Scott as acting President.
The cadres who sang mostly solemn music carried placards denouncing Dr Scott’s appointment.
They contended that Dr Scott does not qualify to act as President adding that this is the reason late President Michael Sata never allowed him to act in the three years since PF took over Government.
The cadres clad in PF regalia chanted slogans that demean Dr. Scott and demanded that the party’s Central Committee force Government to reverse the decision.
And in a statement issued to the media yesterday, PF Lusaka Youth District Chairperson Yelisa Khondowe stated that Dr Scott is illegally occupying the office of the President.
[pullquote]“President Sata left for the United Kingdom purely for a medical checkup and his coming back was obvious. His death has not revoked Mr Lungu’s appointment. Why is it that Vice President Scott was never allowed to act?”[/pullquote]
“We the youths of Lusaka District have agreed with what General Miyanda has stated over the eligibility of Dr Scott to act on both the Republican Presidency and Vice Presidency. Article 34 which deal with who should be President or Vice President has been amended has been amended,” Mr Khondowe said.
He added, “This is the more reason Dr Scott has never been left to act as President. Zambia has a constitution and we should endeavor by all means to follow the constitution.”
Mr Khondowe said the youths of Lusaka District consider Justice and Defence Minister Edgar Lungu as the legal acting President of Zambia.
“We the youths of Lusaka wish to place it on record that Hon. Edgar Lungu is the legal acting President of Zambia and he can only cease to perform such functions upon the Speaker informing him of the incumbent’s return,” he said.
Mr Khondowe stated that it is not provided anywhere that Mr Lungu can hand over power to another acting President but only to the substantive one who is President Sata.
“President Sata left for the United Kingdom purely for a medical checkup and his coming back was obvious. His death has not revoked Mr Lungu’s appointment. Why is it that Vice President Scott was never allowed to act?”
But Secretary to the Cabinet Roland Msiska has promised that Attorney General Musa Mwenye will give a detailed response on who revoked the appointment of Mr. Lungu as acting President.
Addressing a media briefing in Lusaka yesterday, Dr. Msiska insisted that government did nothing wrong in the process of stripping off instruments of power from Mr. Lungu.
Dr Msiska also stated that the decision has been taken and is irreversible.
Some legal experts have argued that President Sata was supposed to revoke the appointment of Edgar Lungu as acting President since he was the one who appointed him before his death.
It is a a civic and constitutional responsibility to defend the constitution against any dangerous schemes of extra-constitutionalism. Simplicity on matters of the constitutional is too dangerous with high propensity of turning the scheme combustible. Forewarning is forearming.
I’m sorry to say this but someone has got to say it. Michael Sata left a mess in Zambia, had he voiced out his opinions from day one people in his party would know where they stand and all this infighting would have been reduced. But he just kept quiet while his ministers and cadres flexed their little muscles. Bob Sichinga’s prophecy to Bana Nono is becoming true.
There is more confusion in PF than in Satan’s Kingdom.
The cadres are just making Lusaka ugly and should just shut their drunk mouths.
A ta se
Thanks.
Now Miyanda has serious issue to contain. He can probably address Zambian on TV, and not internet again . Like I said, he should not have clicked “send” that article after confirmation of expiration of Ba Sata. The was 90 days to discuss such Constitution issues.
The best here is Miyanda, HH and Nawakwi should help Guy Scott and Edgar Lungu. Address people today, they listen to you. They will listen, believe me.
Forget about PF, just think that citizens misunderstood.
I said it. Its gona be easy for Guy Scott. Guy Scott must be careful ,other wise he will be harmed even by the Bemba clique.
I fully support what the PF cadres are doing this time around because I do not want Mmembe to ursp power via the back door.
If Guy Scott is going to run for presidency, how is PF going to sell their presidential candidate on the eleventh hour?
I would have wanted Lungu to continue even though I do not support PF.
One thing I can predict though is that PF will fragment soon after the burial and presidential nominations. Some PF members will start defecting to the opposition.
Moonde , Siamunene and other UPND defectors are having sleepless nights for fear of losing their seats.
Wapya munzi…..
Sata and PF has always had an Attorney General advised against appointing Guy Scott to act as President. This includes his Lordship Mumba Malila who now on the Bench of the Supreme Court. .
Has the death of Mr Sata now altered that clause that barred Scott? Fred Membe never protested this clause up to this time. Why is he now unleashing insults on those who are suspecting a coup d’etat in the way Scott has been appointed? Fred wants to impose Kabimba on the PF and remove Lungu. This time round, Membe, the Zambians wont allow you and will support the PF Youths.
I call on those in the PFin their fight to redeem Zambia from muzungu wopusa.
I mean’t to say its not gona be easy for Guy Scott. PF breached the constitution several times, so why won’t it breach it this around.
LAZ is now headed by people who are pro Mmembe cartel because he and Kabimba put them there personally to distort the interpretations of the LAW in their favour. The former LAZ group would have supported this madness because at all.
Until PF gets rid of Judges appointed appointed by Mmembe, trouble will continue to brew for the Bemba clique , more especially people like chikwanda, Kambwili, and GBM.
If these guys want peace they should move quickly to remove Guy Scott and replace him with either Lungu, Magande, or Mutati. And then vote to remove all the judges who were appointed when Sata was seriously ill and lost his marbles.
First to is Musa Mwenya, then Nchito, and all the recently appointed supreme court judges.
wanted to say the former LAZ would not have supported this madness at all.
It is utter insanity for Zambians to allow Scott to rule them in the week they celebrate their 50th Anniversary of independence from Scott’s (British) rule! When are Zambians going to wake up? A lot of crap is tolerated in the name of peace -loving. Indigenous Zambians can rule themselves. Please WAKE UP!!
Where are we headed as a country?Now that the choir master of chaos and violence is no more ,there is no longer harmony choir.
It’s time the people of Zambia put things right.In 3 months time we will be voting.PLEASE VOTE PF OUT,ZAMBIA IS A PF KANTEMBA!
It is unfortunate that the first person who should have defended the constitution never did it. Here we now wallowing in dismay due to his irresponsibility. The president’s first and core responsibility is to defend and uphold the constitution. Did Sata do it? Hell NO!!!! Please God help us and let Zambia remain in peace and pieces. Thank you Sata..
Speaking from little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge at all. The death of President Sata automatically cancels the mandate given to Edgar. This means we have to look to the law and hence cabinet appointing the VEEP as per constitution. I don’t when in African politics we shall stop this madness of sing cadres that are mostly illiterate to push some people’s hidden agenda. Obviously, it’s not the cadres talking, but someone who had hopes of occupying the much coveted office of president!
St. Jude, but why didn’t Sata at any time appoint Scott to act as president? The Attorney General then gave a proper advice to Sata. Now, the new Attorney General, mwenye something, is just working on instructions from Mmembe. And the people of Zambia are watching every move they take
IGNORANCE IGNORANCE and i say IGNORANCE
how do you put a vice president who you know can not act as president. why put him there. that is SELFISHNESS of the highest order.
Every time he left the country he had to leave the instruments of power with someone else if it was ever possible HE WOULD HAVE BEEN LEAVING THE COUNTRY WITH THE INSTRUMENTS OF POWER IN HIS POCKETS. SATA was a typical selfish African leader. did you ever think for your country Mr SATA sir. WHY did you keep a ceremonial vice president. is it because everything was a JOKE to you. i remember how you demeaned parliament into a circus.
now that you are dead look at the constitutional mess you have left behind. I pray for peace in my land. let these confused sons of biological mistakes called PF cadres spare us.
QUESTIONS FOR PF BEFORE ELECTING NEW PRESIDENT.
1. Why did PF Don’t Kubeba us about Mr. Sata’s health and what guarantee do we have that they won’t lie to us again? Some people have to account for this….
2. Why do you (PF) allow your cadres to misbehave and disturb our peace?
3. Was the bloated cabinet under MMD reduced as promised? This is partly the reason for the high debt we have now accrued due to limited revenue thereby enslaving future generations.
4. Constitutional reforms promised in 90 days, how far?
5. Where are the jobs and more money in our pockets with this wage and employment freeze?
6. Why allow the vendors to litter our streets?
7. Charges and harassment of opposition political party leaders and people with divergent views, how and why?
8. The unnecessary
8. The unnecessary by-elections we have experienced, any reason?
9. Appointment of relatives, cadres and friends without giving every Zambian a chance to aspire for the jobs, are others less Zambian?
10. Many contracts to companies that have been corrupting you as alleged by Mr. Chikwanda and making the Anti – Corruption Commission toothless but used to settle scores, just explain?
11. Why have you not pursued our money borrowed from DBZ to be paid back by the people that operated Zambian Airways? You know them…
12. Why do you (PF) like Don’t Kubebering us most of the time? Any new promises to tell us during the campaigns?
Your Excellency Sir, we mourn you as your children and pray that the wisdom you imparted on us can be used properly for the development of the land. We must learn to be tolerant and care for the poor and underprivilaged as you did always. Michael Choilufya Sata sir you were an angel sent by the Lord to guide Zambia, now you have answered the calling of our God in heaven. With so many tears in my eyes and many other eyes we will continue to remember and mourn you sir, my heart is truelly broken!
Dr Scot needs to wake up fairly quickly and stop the nonsense immediately before anarchy sets in. He’s the President for now whether these lunatics likes it or not, he’s got an often thankless but definitely solemn job to keep this country together until a new guy is elected. As for Police and armed forces only for the next few weeks please do your job properly for once.
The entire pf and their minions on this blog are a bunch of cheats and frauds. They denied their leader was sick until he kicked the bucket. Satan was the most selfish prez I know. First, he made sure that pf was sata and sata was pf. Second, to ensure he had total control of the executive, he appointed the Scot as his Vice. Scot was ceremonial, his ultimate puppet. Scot therefore posed no threat to Satan which a black man could have. Third, he made sure he controlled parliament by buying MPs and ensuring that pf had majority in the house. Fourth, he appointed his Aunty Chibesakunda as Chief justice and thereby controlled the judiciary. There you have it, one man in total control of the three arms of government: executive, parliament and judiciary. Condolences? na., good riddance…
cjay
couldnt have put it any better myself,perharps only to add that he donchi kubebad us all the way to his death.Todate we dont know what killed him,and even when he evidently looked sick and emaciated he said he was fit.
By the way can that donkey called Kalaba who said he going to follow up reports of Sata collapsing in New York tell us how far he has gone with his circus.
This is Lunacy: Who do PF cadres think they are? Sorry, if they don’t behave, we will vote them out after 90 days. Whoever is encouraging these uneducated cadres is making a big mistake. Lungu should distance himself from this nonsense, if he ever want to rule Zambia.
Let Guy Scott stays he is very Zambian and better for now. Embarrassing and sad that they have no respect for their president. Instead of Mourning, they are busy causing confusion.
i get surprised at my people. we are here busy saying, there is confusion in pf but when it comes to voting, you will all be voting for that same confusion. Just spare us the banality of your ignorant thoughts and go and vote in advance for pf . Muletupangafye ichongo imimbulu imwe!!!
PF hoodlums doing what they’ve always done- confrontations,divisiveness,tribalism and even fights.We never had this unfortunate culture before 2011.
Guy Scott is occupying the presidency illegally. I blame the Cabinet, Attorney General and the Army for allowing this man to take over from Edgar Lungu.
Shudder to wonder who advised that an Old Sick Rug be there even on acting Capacity. Need to have him removed at once, even though it’s only for 86 remaining days.
I’m shocked at the comments from the so called educated. While this confusion exists, we have to know that the death of a president is different from the times he was alive and had the liberty of appointing anyone. The law that governs us is clear on who takes over, that’s why Edgar handed things over and those illiterates need to be schooled, not jut going out ignorantly all for a pack of shakers. I agree with St. Jude
@Enka
I concur with you. Just goes to show the calibre of people that voted this pf pack of sh!t into power. Sh!it has now hit the fan following the demise of their d!ck(tator). We are left in a constitutional crisis cuz of one arsehole. To add salt to the injury, apart from the fact that Scot is a honky and as such should never have led the country, he is the biggest lying saddistic twit to have occupied plot one. How can anyone trust Scot for political office after all the lies he has peddled regarding the health of Satan? How can anyone trust Scot given his connections with Mmembe and Kabimba? It is comforting to know that pf as we know it, is in self-destruct mode. The head is dead, the body will shrivel and rot. Sigh…
Until elections are held I will add my voice in this unfolding political dispensation.
We are facing these trying times because of ‘donchi kubeba’ a phrase of deceit coined by Guy Scott, exploited by Sata, popularised by ganga taker Dandy Crazy’s song….ashi wilalila….donchi kubeba…. and entrenched by the chief sata popagandist Membe. A doctrine of lies without shame was thus born.
And so has been the rule of Sata. Marred with corruption, blatant nepotism and reckless borrowings, suppression of opposition, this man goes to the grave as a sigh of relief for democracy.
And this Guy Scott too has no shame….how can he now surely accept to act when the person who appointed him refused to allow him and the LAZ said the same?
For the first time I don’t agree with Wanzelu and others on the issue of GUY scott.I am one person who is against racism ,tribalism and religionalism.We had no Zambia before 1964 and both the parents of Guy scott were citizens of northern Rhodesia before independence.Guy was born in Zambia and has lived in Zambia for more than 70 yrs.RB was born in Zimbabwe and yet he was our president whats wrong with Guy.Those who bring the issue of race and tribe in the case of HH are backwards.Guy is constitutionally right to aspire for presidency.Out of in PF Dr Guys Scott is the right candidate but for Zambia I support HH as the best because of his age and Economic knowledge as well as his moral standing.So Zambians abash racism and Tribalism lets choose the best president not drunkurds .
@Sido mark.
The question you have to ask yourself before questioning my intelligence is; Would Kabimba have handed over power to Guy Scott, if he was acting president when Sata died? Would Mmembe have allowed this to happen? The answer is a big NO.
If you look at my comments, I am not on the the constitution ramifications of this, but fact that, Mmembe and Kabimba are scheming to ursp power via the back door.
Open your eyes and ears wide, and take note of what Mmembe cartel is up to here.
Personally I am totally opposed to Mmembe the thief and tax evader and Kabimba the demon from having an influence on the corridors of power in Zambia. These two are very deadly for the peace and unity of the country.
Look at how peace returned once Kabimba was removed. People celebrated…
Zambia should not be plunged into this impending mess because of this defective constitution in the first place. Sata himself the architect of this confusion ignored it totally, because it was hugely ambiguous and subject to misinterpretation.
Why did Sata not let either Guy Scott or Kabimba act as president when he was alive? There is some thing that he knew and understood about these two people that most blind followers did not.
I am totally opposed to Guy Scott acting as president, merely for being in an alliance with a devilish dangerous cartel; the Mmembe and Kabimba cartel. If he was a neutral player in all this I would have supported him.
To make it worse, Guy Scott is a compromised white man surrounded by wicked people he has stood by,at the time people are suffering.
Sido Mark thank you for your contribution. There is no reason why Guy Scott should be prevented from standing. This parentage clause was inserted to bar the likes of KK and should therefore be changed. People need to understand that there was no Zambia before 1964.
The appointment of Guy Scott will ensure all those people who still in the tribal era to maybe reform and understand that there is more to Zambia than their tribe or fighting for ancient tribal recognition.
which legal experts? LAZ says Scott is rightfully occupying that office and if you read the constitution, you will agree with LAZ
Scott cannot be my president. Yesterday I was demonstrating on the streets and will continue
I thought this is time for mouring the late President?
Who gave them the permint to carry on with the demostration?
Where are the policemen and women to curb these Panga Family?
This is the type of goverment you want to continue leading this country.
Can the police apply order regardless of political party affiliation.
PF party of thugs.
Correction……This is time to mourn for Zambia. Sata created many problems which could now ruin Zambia. How can we mourn someone who left so many snares/landmines to harm oru peaceful country?
Many officers from the Zambia Police Service are on the ground to curtail widespread confusion during the mourning period. The nation should not be worried about such alarmist articles. PF is an orderly, democratic party in government.
@Kudos
In your face!
Ba Kudos naimwe even during this solemn time you fail not to be an !diot?
KUDOS you are biological mistake, a son of a wh0re who allowed even dogs to enter the hole.
do you think the police can unite the country? within your own party you can not unite and you want to unite the country.
These Kolwestans who feel God created only them to rule Zambia for ever should be caged.We shall not condon this kind of behavior to continue.There thug is gone so the PF panga thugs should be tamed seriously ,we order in Zambia.Let sobre people rule this country.Alow scott to hand over a clean Election to the new enegetic well discipline president .Zambia is destined to be a paradise in southern Africa.Abash tribalism and Racism.
It ain’t about PF anymore..Guy Scott is now acting president subject closed. We have tolerated your nonsense for a long time. We are done with your destructive behavior. Go blame your Sata, he should have sorted out this mess along time ago..u all choose to pretend all was well. How many times did we beg your leader to step down because of his ill health. Don’t take us for fool. All law enforcement arms..come down had on these thugs..
DERIGO, what word did you use for it to be censored. parental advisory, this guy is lethal.
There is one solution here. HH team and Lungu’s team up must come together after the burial if Scott and Mmembe try to have their way in PF. Scott and Mmembe team cannot win an election. Even if they were to bring back Kabimba. Scott and Mmembe team has many un elected officials who want to control PF for their own selfish end.
opportunism at its best. HH does not need to team up PF cadres. The message should be DO NOT VOTE PF Candidate- to help them clean up their mess.
@wawa
You are absolutely right . UNPD is on solid ground to win so we do not want confusion imported to our lovely party of honest , humble and hard working genuine Zambians.
Political pacts can not work in Zambia at all. There is no constitutional backing for such madness.
The message should be, VOTE PF OUT period. No if NO buts. Enough is enough.
PF kuya bebele.
Vote UPND and HH if want you want to live in a Zambia that is safe ,peaceful and prosperous.
The Bemba clique is up.
There is no problem with Scott taking over, these cadres are paid to do this.
We are headed for tough times in Zambia.The choir master of violence and chaos is no more and now there is no harmony in the choir.
A reminder to PF,Zambia is not a PF Kantemba.
Zambians must vote this pathetic violent party.Vote them out by not voting for a pf candidate.
Bob siching a was right in bana nono’s recording . Sata should hv replaced scott to avoid such confusion.
If he loved this country he would have put the house in order.
And Ba Police please beat anyone who wants to bring confusion in our streets coz this country does not belong to caders but to the people of zambia.
Actually dig deeper. You should have rightened your bigoted constitutional clause soon after the Supreme Court interpreted it and found it useless on those in Guy’s position. Why do we lean on shallow dispositions kanshi? That Bashi Nono nonsense has very little bearing here. Let us stop mixing libidinous matters with constitutional issues.
“Dr Msiska also stated that the decision has been taken and is irreversible.” Shows that even misiska himself has realized that they have made a mistake but because they have already made a decision, it might make them look fools. The cabinate knew the state of health of the president, they knew his days were few and knowing that there leader had never left Scott in acting position, these are issues they should have sort clarity before he died.Suppose it was Winter acting, do you think they could have removed him? Why was it that Mmember was the first to interpret the constitution on the day of the demise of the president in his editorial that the “rightful” person to act was Scott?
Only f00!z believe what Mmembe writes
Baloteli senoiur ala chakukalipa.Lesa ni malyotola.Sata thought was clever .He planed to replace Scott when he come back from London he had already promised people but God said no just like he did with Mwanawasa he was supposed to replace RB with Magande as soon as he retained from Egypt,but he didn’t.You can mock God.Both chose to put weak people so that they can remain presidents for ever.But god above who looks in peoples hearts has a way he does things.Abash tribalism and Racism.
@Baloteli Senior, stop extrapolating and insinuating here. The fact is most bloggers’ opposition to Scott’s ascendancy is based on “verse wracking” the same way they do when they read their Bibles and other texts piece-meal. The fact that it is irreversible doesn’t preclude you from returning to the Supreme Court to get a definite, final interpretation of what you suspect. Life is so easy if you don’t wear the wrong glasses. in fact judgements are a public accessible resource. Go pull the files and read!!!
We are headed for a constitutional crisis.The architect of chaos is no more and the panga party has been unleashed.
Zambia Police ,lets see what you are made of!
@Red Square, that should read POLITICAL crisis. There is currently no constitutional crisis, neither are we headed for one. However, it would be prudent to ensure your draft constitution is cleaned well before it is released to avoid this nonsense. Even a young, energetic president can drop down dead. This is not the end. It is just the beginning.
Guy Scott did not appoint himself as Vice President in 2011, and all the confusion begun there!
cage the sponsor of those demonstration they even abused sata and never behaved to his expectations now time is up for those thugs whose only interest in the country is money that’s why they didn’t even like kabimba and those f0ols will have it tough in northern province in 2016 and luashya lets wait and see they are so desperate that they can even sponsor a demonstration during national moaning lets show them the way and let them do clean business not rubbish
Since when did PF hoodlums become legal experts? Mumba Malila had clearly stated when he was the Artoney General that Scott qualifies to act as president. Actually he qualifies even to stand as president. The law says anyone who was in Zambia on 24th October, 1964 automatically became a Zambia and therefore Scott’s parents are Zambians.
Just understand that its not always that your favourite shal be the pesident and respect the rule of law.
Gullible Zambian youth, it’s just freaking 90 days you id-iots. They simply listen to Miyanda butcher the constitution regarding the current situation, and they take it as gospel. Get a brain and analyze the constitution and the current situation. When the INCUMBENT President is incapacitated or dies, the Vice President will ACT as President. That means Edgar Lungu (who was only ACTING and NOT the INCUMBENT) ceases to ACT as president. It also happens here in the US, when Obama is giving the State of the Union address, a DESIGNATED SURVIVOR has to be in an undisclosed location. If anything happened to the President, it is the Vice President and NOT the Designated Survivor that will be Acting President. Again Miyanda is at the helm of needless confusion. Just give up old man!
“Dr Msiska also stated that the decision has been taken and is irreversible.”shows that even Misiska has realized that they have made a terrible mistake but reversing it would definately make them look fools. The so called cabinate knew very well the state of health of Sata , they knew his days were few. I mean that’s why even Bob Siching could tell bana Nono that it was unlikely the president would return. If we had visionary leadership, these are issues they should have sort clarity way long before he died especially it was clear that the president could not leave Scott to act at anytime. Why was it Mmember to be the first in his editorial on the day of Sata’s demise to interpret he constitution that it was Scott to act and not Lungu? And the whole cabinate withought thinking…
Which cadres? Selfish people looking to cause problems and accuse cadres! Poor cadres go and do things which will pay you than help these selfish people.
I’ll never vote for Edgar Lungu, he looks like he sleeps with a bottle of jim beam in his mouth. Most politicians rite now are trash. Guy Scott is more than capable of been a great president, he and Sata started PF, his father did more for Zambia than most of you or your families have done for our nation. On top of that he is the only one of these politicians who drinks Zambian coffee instead of Nescafé like most of you do, coz according to u things made in Zambia are shit but how do u create jobs if u r not buying your own products. Before Toyota went global Japanese bought and believed in it, they made shit cars to begin with but they listened to their customer and perfected the brand. Scott my teach us a thing or two about believing in our selves. Intact 50 yes of blk ru had led 2…
@Saku, you are just what the doctor ordered. Well said!
These cadres are being used by the factions (GBM and others against Kabimba). What hey are fighting is Kabimba taking over as president since he has been favoured by Scott.Scott should now show to be neutral and I suppose he will do that. Mmembe is also causing confusion behind the scene.
All the more reasons why PF should be voted out in January 2015.GOD BLESS ZAMBIA.
Edgar Lungu is simply a coward who does not have balls. Surely how do you allow power to slip out of you when It is already in your hands? This coward is too humble to aspire and even hold that office. He should simply have refused to be intimidated. I can see Edgar has now regretted his blunder. Power is not for the soft-hearted like Lungu. The person who revoked Lungu’s appointment as Acting President was Lungu himself as he willingly surrendered the instruments of power. No one pointed a gun at him.
If Edgar Lungu had the political stature, he could work himself back into it. He doesn’t. And that is his real problem.
Look for a Lozi or tonga person to sort out this mess.
Why not a Namwanga or Kaonde or Tabwa?
These street kids should be locked up. How on earth do they think that no one thought out the correctness of appointing Dr. Scott to act as President. They wanted to be consulted before the decision was made, atase! They should go and meet their leader Miyanda, the man is going to make political mileage out of something he has no idea about. This is his time to get members for one-man party. Who says that only the appointing President is the one who can revoke the acting appointment? Think before you dribble your mouth you chongololos.
my advise to our in coming president hh please concetrate in organising the party in areas where it was not strong while the panga party continue fighting within themselves
PF cadres should realise that Zambians are not f.ools! This is exactly what will make PF to go into oblivion. We cannot afford to have such an indisciplined part to be in Govt! How do you protest against the acting president of the country appointed using the existing constitution? Please Zambians no more Kaponyas in Govt! This must serve as a lesson to all citizens. Let us vote wisely this time around.
When I stated that General Miyanda is a Confusionist this is exactly what I meant. Zambians must by now realize that they is something terribly wrong with General Miyanda.
Exactly, the man has too much time on his hands. He actually spends most of his time reading case chronicles, convincing himself that he is a qualified constitutional lawyer. In fact, he is still trying to defend himself against the world, thinking everyone else is wrong and only him understands the law. General, please ask the experts when YOU don’t understand the small print. You will bring anarchy to our land.
The sooner this PF madness gets out of zambian politics,the better.Did they have a permit to hold a demonstration? This stinks
Am not commenting as a law expert but as a consend citizen. Issues of parentage on guy scott shouldn’t be taken lightly. This person is commander of Armed Forces, you can’t garantee his allegence. Already some extent the security of Zambia is compromised. This man one time made a statement which almost brought a comflict with the south african government. The statement seemed to demean the black dominated government of South Africa. When our friends from the western world came first came to Africa, they came in the name of Christianity and ended up colonailizing. A president in Africa means all land invested in his name. Zambia wake up before its too late. The only problem in Zambia is that we do things with analysis. Politicians wake up and sort this problem quickly
Educate your self by reading the following case. Just incase you were not born by that time here >>>>> AKASHAMBATWA MBIKUSITA LEWANIKA, HICUUNGA EVARISTO KAMBAILA, DEAN
NAMULYA MUNGOMBA, SEBASTIAN SAIZI ZULU, JENNIFER MWABA v FREDERICK
JACOB TITUS CHILUBA (Constitutional Jurisdiction)
PF is a grouping which is not built on clear ideology. Look at what drives them i.e. ‘Dochi Kubeba’, ‘Pamaka’, ‘more money in the pockets’, ‘likeni ateke’ and many others. These do not stand on honest approach to politics or life in general. Hence the confusion being witnessed should not surprise anyone.
THAT’S WHEN YOU ARE REALIZING THAT ONLY A BEMBA CAN BE PF PRESIDENT NOT EDGAR LUNGU.
Unlike a certain group who explicitly said that about their tribe, the Bembas have only just been accused of that… Sorry mate. It doesn’t help much to spread insinuation too thin. I am not Bemba but I think this tribal card is beginning to wear rather thin in the 21st Century…
…and since when did guy scott become bemba?
@Halesia Halelanda
who told you that guy scott is the final president to stand?
Wait for the cleansing.
Wether 2da, 2moro, nxt wek, nxt month, nxt year…as long as it will take, ths. Life wil nt end until we establsh whtha ths move is constitutional or not… Those who wil b found on the wrong side of the law, will curse the day they were born…
Article 39- Where any person acting as President is appointed in cases where the President is ill or incapacitated to carry out his duties or out of the land of Zambia, no one can revoke such an appointment unless the President himself in writing to the Speaker. I rest my case.
@ LORD VOLDEMORT (THE DARK LORD)
Obviously you are NOT a law expert. Article 39 becomes irrelevant once the president dies; otherwise then we might as well continue with Sata as president until 2016, even though he is bloody dead. Read article 38. Don’t go round citing articles that suit your argument. Sata was not the constitution of Zambia, when he dies he becomes totally irrelevant to our lives. If you want him to continue ruling your life that is up to you, but don’t use dubious articles to force him on the rest of us even in his death. This country has its own laws that don’t care who you are once you are dead. Finito.
Well said, @Chitapi!! You see @Chitapi, people have been messed up by their religious habits. This problem of quoting verses from the Bible out of context is what is translating to this nonsense you and I are witnessing now. It is amazing how Malcolm Gladwell’s theory can come to pass in such spectacular fashion, don’t you think!?
Sata was part of the crowd in Chiluba’s government when they quickly sneaked in that amendment on parentage. Most of us voice consternation and concern. What normally happens is what is going on now. The ignorant who in any population are the majority always harp on the simplest illusion to drive mob action. It is as if it is such a big deal to have non-Zambian parents! And it is as if Zambia was always waiting in the wings after the Big Bang and was carrying Zambian organisms all the time. What a wasted nation this is turning out to bel
At that time most of us voiced concern and fear for the future in terms of persecution, and manipulation which, unfortunately the Zambian political scene is adept at.
These PF cadres must blame Sata for all this messy. No offensive but the man was very selfish. If he listened to all concerned Zambians, he could have resigned and avoided this problem.When Changala demanded for answers, everyone blamed him. His family is to blame too especially Dr Christine Kaseba and Mulenga Sata. I am sure every loving and concerned Zambians saw that Sata was a walking dead man especially after seeing how he struggled to open the National Assembly and yet his wife a medical doctor for that matter saw nothing wrong with that. All she was interested in is to prop up her CV. Shame on her and all the ministers who kept lying to Zambians. I remember telling my husband that PF and Sata’s family will be embarrassed when he dies because they won’t be able to hide his death.
BASHI NONO said all this and you were laughing!!!!
Let them fight their own battle, if they want can share SATA’ s carcass.
Atleast ,zambia has been saved from PF madness.
All these “interpretations” of the constitution by any jim and jack are really about which PF camp will be holding the instruments of power during this transition period. Having an incumbent head of state in your camp certainly helps during the hot campaigns as he will do you all sorts of favours such as rides in his helicopter, full access to state resources, etc. All these come in handy during this torrid time. I would rather busy bodies like Miyanda and Mwaanga much as they want to “interpret” the constitution, should keep away from these PF fights unless they seeking “favours” from these protagonists. I know for sure VJ does.
The PF cabinet was so paralyzed with the fear of Sata that they could never do anything even when mandated by the constitution, the yellow cowards. Look now where they have delivered us. They grumbled in bedrooms just like ordinary citizens about something they had power to reverse or change. All along these people knew Sata was dying and something had to be done about it and pronto but all their shriveled little balls allowed them to do was to retreat further in their shells in self-denial.
Arrest those bastards bringing confusion, let’s not allow them to bring anarchy in this peaceful nation. If they want Mr. Edgar Lungu there’s still chance to vote for him at the convention and bring him to the nation as a presidential candidate kaili ba Scott can’t contest.
@ EMMY: Lungu overthrew himself and he should be tried for executing his own coup. But all in all, this is what Bawishi Nono said when Bana Nono was prodding the husband in the bedroom after bana Nono had provided bawishi Nono with a sumptuous bed-room meal which made bawishi Nono open the heavens. It has come to pass.
NATHAN CHANDA,PF YOUTH CHAIRMAN FOR COPPERBELT,AND FORMER MAYOR OF LUANSHYA BOY SHUD STOP SPREADING MESSAGES OF HATE THIS TIME WE ARE MOURNING OUR DEPARTED LEADER. HH NEVER WISHED SATA DEAD BUT STATED THE TRUTH THAT SATA WAS SICK AND NEEDED TO STEP ASIDE.THIS IS WHAT PF MINIONS LIKE CHANDA DIDNT WANT TO HEAR. BUT WANT HAS HAPPENED HAS INDEED VINDICATED HH. SO PLSE CHANDA STOP SPREADING HATE MESSAGES AGAINST HH,HE NEVER WISHED SATA ANY HARM AND THEREFORE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MOURN HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT WHO WAS NEVER AN ENEMY.
President Sata left Lungu acting with a view that once he returned he will take over. However since he is not coming back to presidency due to death, the constitution takes precedence and that constitution says the Vice President should act. Don’t confuse these two simple things.
cages the rabies d0gs. Cadrism should be brought down. Scot sort them out they should direct there non sense to their party secretary general and let him answer for himself he is old enough unless he is the one parading these d0gs to bark around. Edgar prove it or else u lose it too. this time let a Tonga or Lozi or White take the country. we are tired of malawians leading us in the name of eastern province.
The most confused political party to rule this nation. A party where cadres have so much power can disturb our peace. Now they can see why Zambians demand a good constitution. These people shouldn’t be allowed to continue mismanaging our country.
Yes I agree with Gabriel. Sata appointed Lungu to act knowing that he was coming back after his medical check up to continue as President. Unfortunately death occurred, meaning his appointment of Lungu as acting President revokes itself by the constitution which is the supreme law of the land. What is difficult, simple simple things. Where is the problem. Simuna chite comprehension ku skulu?
I miss accurate comments from Mushota and Saulosi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ba Khondowe, please dont be mislead by Gen Miyanda. i read what he wrote but i am afraid that what he wrote is not true. to put the record straight, we need to understand that actually Guy Scott not only qualifies to act but also be president (LT 12th January 2012; Lewanika et al vs Chiluba 1998 court ruling). any person who was on Zambian soil by midnight 24th October 1964 is a Zambian. now for GS his parents came in Northern Rhodesia in 1927 and he was born in Zambia in 1947 so that qualifies him just like any other person to act and actually run for presidency. i like Edgar Lungu but that doesn’t mean we should cloud our judgement with sentimentalism and subjectivity. a precedence was already set and we have to live in.
There is a Ugandan saying, “if you poop in your bed your sleep in it”. This is the mess created by PF itself with the supoort of its godfather, as Fred says. And you know who that godfather is. So don’t blame others for a messed up funeral.
I agree with Gabriel and Malumbelo. Sata appointed Lungu to act in his absence because he was hoping to come back from his medical trip. Sata is deceased now,therefore the constitution should be followed, simple. If Sata did not want Scott to rule Zambia even for a day, maybe he should have revoked his appointment, especially after it became very clear that he wasn’t well and appointed another person. However that being said Scott is a Zambian by birth just like all of us. He is only overseeing the process for 90 days and ensure that the Zambian government is running smoothly. I was neither a fun of PF nor Sata, please PF cadres let the nation mourn our president with dignity and respect. It is my prayer that next time people should vote for level headed people rather than these thugs.
Lele! You have spoken well. This is not a permanent appointment. Someone has to be oversee that things run smoothly in the 90 days.
This is what happens when a layman interprets the law for illiterates. I hope that George Chisanga and his LAZ fellows clears the air sooner than later because at the rate we are moving, it is getting to dangerous in Zambia. It is a pity that LAZ has kept quiet about this issue all this time and now have the general Miyanda yapping and causing confusion in the country. I hope he is masterminding a funny plot too!
Ba Zambia Police, where are you?
Are you on strike or on go slow?
Why hav you allowed these chaps to bring confusion in town amidist National Mourning without a Police Permit?
Do something to stop this nonesence before another faction rises to create war.
Now that their incompetent useless ever absent leader who run the PF like a personal grocery has disappeared they now start asking the difficult questions. ..did we not tell you that it was a no brainer having Scot as veep…then appointing an acting President when the deadwood Sata was out for treatment?
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If the Pesident died when kabimba was the acting President. The same Cartel lawyers would have ruled in favour of Kabimba instead of Guy Scott. So they had all options with them. Zambian go into prayers because the cartel is also associated with evil religion.
This is a presumptuous argument.
The levels of ignorance in our country never seize to amaze. Really, we need to work on our education system. These thugs are asking the wrong questions. The question I expect them to ask is “what does the constitution say” Zambia is not about individuals, why the president didn’t leave Dr Scott to act is irrelevant, what is relevant is what the constitution says the rest is hog wash if you know what I mean. Get an education and be civilized. Things are hidden in the books you so avoid.
Though we may not admit it, the low level of thinking so prevalent in Zambia is reflective of the low level of education in the country.
some of these opposition leaders can not sing praises for the late president when they used call him Chimbwi no plan its un fortunate to have leaders who are pretending to be mourning yet their hearts are yearning to enter state house tu za i ka mukazi so that she contuines the works of the late be prepared
Bring back Winter!!
Somebody take those mobs aside in a safe warehouse and school them on how to write a constitutional petition. Show them where the Supreme Court is and crowd source some funds for their presentation and ultimate hearing. It is easy to take your tired feet to the streets. It is another ball game to dig up the truth against which you are pitting your sorry clueless minds.
All of you uneducated chaps about key legal battles that have happened in our Country here is something that must keep you quite and contented regading the appointment of Scott as acting President. “Any person who was on Zambian soil by midnight 24th October 1964 is a Zambian” Lewanika vs Chiluba.
@ Victor,
Are you telling us that even Roy Welensky (Last Governor of N. Rhodesia) became Zambian by virtue of being in Zambia on 24 October, 1964? I do not think that was the case for non-indigenous N.Rhodesians who had a second choice. That is why the majority whites left after Zambia became independent and took up British nationality instead.
Miyanda is a disillusioned A** hole!!
Sata has left a legacy of indispline and mediocre leadership and should be credited for that ? Zambians, it is time we upped our credentials as a people and country by electing credible and upright people. Let us do away with these PF amatures. We have had enough of their *****ic leadership.
Bunch of foolish caders am sure there is a pf politician behind all this shame on them all we are still mourning our president, and morover guy scott is acting president fot 87days more and he cant run as a presidential candidate so whats all the fuss about police should just beat them all up cause its this is a very delicate time for such nonsense to be happening
Mr Khondowe you and the Youths of Lusaka carry the spirit of our founder Freedom Fighters. You are our new Heros. Our gov’t turned into irresponsible citizens mad on power which they have miss-used against us. Refused to Amend and release our new constitution, timely. Now misinterpret the current constitution, to appoint a man who DOES NOT qualify to be President of Zambia, because of the parentage clause. Nearly all current gov’t politicians is obsese while the poor hunger, they carry the ‘high life’ mark around them. We are not allowed to mourne in peace because PF the ‘bambling’ party go from one affront on us to another. They show disrespect of our Power to deselect them.
We haven’t much of an opposition, who silently observe this appointment as though there were no constitutional issues.
This is a period when we should all mourn our president, but we are left with miss-giving a on his conduct and question his wisdom in the decisions he took on appointing a man who ultimately could never carry out his role without question.
We look to the Heavens and cry for our dignity back. Imagine reading that our very dear, Her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth sent a message of condolence to the mission Head in Zambia, which is relayed to YET another English man, Mr Scott on our black Zambian behalf. Just like colonial times, we have become an Outpost of the Empire.
Oh Father in Heaven, in our time of sorrow may we act wisely as a country to bring in a…
Oh Fathers is in Heaven, in our time of sorrow may we act wisely as a country to bring in a favoured son or daughter who has grace, elegance and loves us your people and will carry out gov’t for us the people of Zambia first and foremost.
Msisika is wrong in saying it is irreversible, we want cabinet to resist and make a better decision. We encourage our PF Youths nationwide to march sombrely and orderly through Lusaka and onto parliament, (dissolved as it is), as a symbolic gesture. We want a state of emergency decision made right away! Lungu back as appointed to Act as Vice President. Our constitution must be respected, we demand.
@2020vision, kindly clarify, whom are you talking to?
is the person you are addressing yourself to not dead?
THE POLICE ARE QUICK TO ARREST ME BUT PF HOOLIGANS ARE ILLEGALLY DEMONSTRATING IN LUSAKA WITHOUT POLICE PERMIT, BUT NO ARRESTS HAVE BEEN MADE. ITS LIKE IF YOU ARE NOT PF THEN YOU ARE ASECOND CLASS CITIZEN OF ZAMBIA.
You sir are comparing a firearm to demonstrations. Even before we rationalize your act is one too much for carelessness. We can deal with illegal demonstrations; it is tough dealing with accidental death from careless firearm handling. Dummy.
Dear all, be careful and be humble, safeguard your country. Guy Scott may be the best level headed and neutral person to take you into the next election, that is why the cabinet settled for him.
but then, why the constitutional crisis?
Sata deliberately left this crisis to provide room for the bemba system to cause anarchy in the country as a way of fighting back to lose control of power. They will do this to the their best effect. They will only be stopped when the army makes a voice on the matter.
Chibesakunda, as chief justice, is illegally in office. when it comes to swearing in a new president, how will an illegal chief justice carry our this serious mandate. Guys, this is the problem sata has left us with.
It is a shame to see such things happening in a country that is looked up to by other countries in africa as a pillar of political maturity and stability. Coming to the matter of Dr Guy Scott being appointed as acting president, the cabinet followed the constitution which we as Zambians adopted. Now some cadres being used as tools want to overrule what we put in place. As for the bloggers condemning the appointment (blatantly on racial grounds) where were they when Barack Obama was elected as president of the USA. Where were they when our very own ‘Zambian’ was elected to a political office in a ‘white’ country, Poland. Let us move with time and realise that we live in a global village. Good day.
Yes @Pointer Peter. It is ironic that had the draft constitution that all and sundry have been crying for been passed, the demonstrations would have been purely racist. That constitution has done away with this useless contradictory clause.
@pointer Peter
Sorry but you do not understand OUR DUTY to defend our Constitution. It is clear Scott DOES NOT qualify to be President of Zambia because of the parentage clause. Period. Nothing racist about that observation and making a statement on that.
We are being mucked about by some very Wiley politicians who have been ‘mooning’ us over our constitution for a long time now. It would be remiss of us to take a back sit and allow it because these same politicians will go on to break more of our constitutional rights. What is the point of a Constitution if it is not followed. Do you understand the Enormity of this issue from an constitutional point? Don’t be so trite.
Thank you Queen Elizabeth.
” The Queen has ordered a special send-off ceremony in honour of the President at Heathrow Airport tonight. The Lord Lieutenant from Buckingham Palace will represent the Royal Family and the ceremony that will be conducted by the British armed forces.”
Kambwili, is a thug, stupid minister who can not be trusted, he is full of confusion.
He should be surrounded and bitten , we don’t want nonsense during the morning period. Very pompous for nothing, to me he looks like chimbwi, very ugly indeed. Stop this fool for good. Scott for PRESIDENT, he is the only person, who can stop this nonsense, by the way the same Kambili, was annoyed for Lungu not greeting him, who does he think, he is?
AFTER THE BURIAL WE WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO TELL THE NATION WHO TOOK THOSE CONTAMINATED PINEAPPLES WE BELIEVE HE IS A RETIRED POLICE MAN IN NATIONAL INTEREST AND AT ONE TIME HE WANTED TOBE REINSTATED RUTHLESS *****S AT THE EXPENCE OF 13 MILLION INNOCENT ZAMBIANS YOU JUST WANT TO GO TO STATE HOUSE BA FULWE
When ignorance rules, ignorance triumphs. PF are an ignorant lot. Such ignorance must not be allowed to continue ruling. Otherwise, Zambia is doomed.
@Patriot Abroad ou seem to be at a loss of what transpired. In a nut shell, Dr Guy Scott is acting president because of the same constitution which you claim to be defending. He did not just throw himself into that seat the way you perceive things, but appointed by operation of the law. Even Hon. Lungu who was the acting president and a qualified lawyer who understands the constitution handed the instruments of power because that is what the law prescribes. As for the parentage clause, its application only comes into play when running for the presidency not when acting. What is at issue here is to rectify the vagueness and conflicting nature of our constitution. A further note, you call yourself patriot abroad, why abroad? That’s not a sign of a true patriot. In fact Dr Scott has been in…
Knowledge is power. PF are caught in a trap set up by their own ignorance.
There goes the neighborhood..
The PF cadres should be strongly advised that the whole country is sailing in the middle of the rough seas. Zambians must pray for wisdom from God.
PF cadres need to know that Mr. Edgar Lungu is a Lawyer and a full member of the Law Association of Zambia (LAZ), who fully understands the interpretation of the Constitution. Guy Scott is acting President in accordance with the Zambian Constitution. Therefore, PF cadres must understand that Sata should have rectified this apparent mess by firing Guy Scott and appoint a replacement long time ago.
It is a pity that PF is Sata’s own investment venture. Hence PF is likely to be buried along with the true owner.
These PF cadres are dull and have little or no memory, Sata himself said that Guy Scot can stand he even called George Kunda the dullest lawyer he has ever known, and then today you say the Late Sata never approved, follow this link http://www.lusakatimes.com/2012/01/14/guy-scott-qualifies-act-president-zambialaz/
It’s not always easy to deal with uneducated ganks. Here they are now making noise in the streets when they are supposed to mourn their president. People wake up from your slamber. The only way we can get rid of the mess Sata has left behind is to vote PF out in the, coming by-election. Advice to PF; Kambwili, Chikwanda and GBM have no wisdom that they can rule this country not even Chilubi Island. Maybe.. but lets not make a again by voting for these heartless PF who only think about tammies and relatives.
There is no question that Michael Chilufya Sata had, over the long years of his political career, attained the status of an admirable politician in Zambia. Many Zambians from a wide spectrum, including the educated, had a natural liking for him and for his brand of politics. That is what defined PF’s success. Now that he is gone, the arrogant and the ignorant in PF are about to discover otherwise. They will soon wake up to their rude shock, that they are in fact irrelevant and inconsequential.
When a person is alive and they have been given a certain responsibility they can operate that responsibility in whatever manner they want as long as it is unfettered. MCS had unfettered responsibility to appoint Ministers and VP. Our constitution does not prevent an incumbent President from appointing any Minister as VP. However when a person dies the only enduring authority of their decisions is to the extent of their personal estate. Anyother prerogative decision is not binding. If the constitution provides for VP to act incase of incapacitation or death so it shall be. It does not say only a person who is qualified to stand shall act. This should have been very specific from the begining. Drafters and reviewers of the next constitution should ensure we have no ambiguous clauses on…
Article 38 (2) of the Constitution of Zambia says: “Whenever the office of the President becomes vacant, the Vice-President or, in the absence of the Vice-President or if the Vice President is unable, by reason of physical or mental infirmity, to discharge the functions of his office, a member of the Cabinet elected by the Cabinet shall perform the functions of the office of the President until a person elected as President in accordance with Article 34 assumes office