Judgement in which Matero Member of Parliament Miles Sampa is challenging the consent judgement by the Lusaka High Court that declared Edgar Lungu the duly elected President of the Patriotic Front has been reserved for Monday 15th December.
Acting Chief Justice Lombe Chibesakunda sitting with the full bench of the Supreme Court heard heads of argument from both sides in a matter that has sharply divided the ruling Patriotic Front.
The full bench of the Supreme Court heard Miles Sampa’s application where he is seeking that he be joined and be allowed to contest the Consent Judgement that was delivered in the High court.
In the High Court judgement, Edgar Lungu was declared PF President and Presidential Candidate after PF Secretary General, Davies Chama and PF Chairperson Inonge Wina settled the case.
The Supreme Court refused to hear another appeal where Miles Sampa wanted the candidature of Edgar Lungu determined or barred until his application regarding the Consent Judgement was heard.
The Supreme guided that their Judgement of the earlier matter will determine the other case and its outcome.
Edgar Lungu’s lawyers argued that Miles Sampa cannot be joined to the Consent Judgement to allow him to contest its legality as he was elected from an illegal gathering that was barred by the Courts of Law.
The lawyers contended that any outcome of an illegal process barred by an injunction cannot be legal.
But Sampa’s lawyers contended that the General Conference that elected him was valid and legal as they were not aware about the Court Injunction.
The Supreme Court will on Monday rule whether Sampa can be joined or be allowed to contest the Consent Judgement issued by Judge Mulenga.
In the event that the Supreme Court allows Sampa to be joined to the Consent Judgement, he will issue originating summons before the High Court and the process will start afresh.
Viva HH! Lungu sit back and relax you have no vision.
This is another technical knock out to Sampa and the team. Which means the case will not be resolved until after the nominations day.
Is this a case of bad reporting or did Miles Sampa’s powerful team use the argument of ” We were not aware of the Injuction”. Come on your presiding office is on record to have said he got the injuction and saw the messanger beaten. Further he is also on record to have refused to declare you a winner.
Can those who were in court brief us please.
If what is reported is true, then Miles and Cartel, this is a non starter, just Register a Party this afternoon and kick start your campaign with a mamoth rally in Matero this weekend Saturday or even better still on Sunday to spoile Edgar Lungu’s Mandevu rally.
While the PF boat is fast sinking, HH is making in roads in PF territory and attracting over 90% attendance in small towns.
Zambian eye opinion poll places HH ahead of lungu, with 57.7% and 32% respectively. HH has a slight lead of 20% over Lungu.
Caution must be exercised though, because the exact period over which poll was conducted is unknown.
Can’t wait to see the outcome of this case and it’s effect on PF.
How about Cartel Party (CP) it will sell out. Presisent-HE Kilometre Sampa, Vice-Guy Wachikoti, Defence Minister-Njalame Membe from the Past from Now NewsTv.
The other end we will have Poor Fellow (PF) President Kachaso Lun Gu (from China)
At Lungu you have no vision! Uli saka sana. What vision does your ka under 5 HH has other than that of bringing his herds of cattle to town center? Muli masaka sana!!!
@wanzelu, that’s just an opinion and every one has a right to it and most of those people have access to internet, what about the ones without. Remember people in Zambia just follow masses but how they vote matters most
Watch the pace. Today is 12 /12/2014 and next week wensday its 17/12/2014 and Nominations will start, with both PF and MMD without a candidate. Ask your selves if this is normal. If the answer is no ,Then what’s the cause of this confusion? God has blessed HH to be the next President.Now with Nkandu luo getting upset with Lungu’s decision to appoint Inonge as vice president I expect the judgment to favor Sampa a fellow Bemba, after all both Lungu and Nsampa are nephews to Sata. HH will win with over 50% votes.
Sampa you are a man. This Vodka fellow badly needs a lesson or two in the science of democracy. EL is uncouth and arrogant.
Don’t forget that PF compromised Chibesakunda is on the judges panel and is part of Kaminamisa Lungu’s team, so we all know that she will influence the ruling to be against Miles
I will be not be surprised if the supreme court rules in favour of Sampa to prolong the case so that it drags on the basis that, who was the legitimate authority after the suspendee suspended the suspender just before the conference?
How ever, my prognosis is that Sampa ‘s case will be thrown out for final time and then the whole team indicted for contempt of court, because, their returning officer-Kaulungombe was aware of the injunction and despite the injunction Scott told him to ignore it.
Monday ‘s ruling will be a decisive moment for the sinking PF (ZANU-PF). The ruling will either, build or split the party for F00ls.
What ever the outcome, HH and UPND will gain tremendously from the PF- tower of babel.
Wapya Munzi.
Viva HH and UPND. NIZEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Yawn
Thanks
Bb2014
@mushota,
I thought you were buried together with ‘shikulu banthu’? Welcome back. It has been a bad year for you and your party.
I hope you have now grown to accept realities of life. Please never again bury your head in the sand as you did during the sickness of the departed King.
You have even messed up the chief mourner as she now can’t face the public. Please grow up!
Thank you for thanking us.
A good lesson indeed for these PF baboons. They bent too many rules in order to give EL free passage. That was very disappointing.
Ba sampa so you can’t see that you have already lost the case…Just move on!!!
He had his @$$ whooped, now he is asking for another b*tt kick. Maybe HH should give them a final one on Jan 20. They are the ones giving people the only sane choice at the moment. P.F and MMD should not cry foul after the polls, they are giving this one away on a silver platter. Lwenu bangwele. Ifwe we don’t depend on allowances like you hooligans, we are used to working hard so its your children who will suffer when you die of depression after losing the polls.Ba styopet.
Ok we wait for monday
Indeed. For those betting the green arrows currently lead with 21 while the red arrows are on 19.
Too close to call. Monday it is… oh to be a fly on the wall behind the scenes…
The Cartel headed by the evil one Fred Mumembe still clinging on to the hopes of killing the PF through Judas Iscariot – Miles Sampa.
Fikaba fye bwino ifintu.
LUNGU TRAILS ‘HH’ IN OPINION POLLS
A latest opinion poll indicates that opposition UPND candidate Hakainde Hichilema (HH) would win the presidency if elections were conducted today, relegating the ruling PF’s Edgar Lungu into second place by more than 20 percentage points.
The poll, which ran on Zambian Eye’s Facebook page, involved candidates from six major political parties that have confirmed participation in the January 20, 2015 presidential election.
The six are Hichilema, Lungu, Edith Nawakwi of FDD, Tilyenji Kaunda of UNIP, NAREP’s Elias Chipimo Junior and Rupiah Banda who is representing the former ruling party, MMD.
The UPND’s HH accounted for a whopping 57.7%,
While his closest rival Lungu got 35.6%. ,
Former President Banda came a distant third with 1.7%,
Followed by…
Ok.But wil wait for final actual results for a landslide 95% of total valid votes.!
The Flight HH 2015 Loading Bit time.!
Please state the Opinion Poll. The biggest weakness of the HH camp is this notion of assuming victory because it arrives. There is a very high chance that Lungu will emerge victorious, PF support is very rampant in the Copperbelt, Northern, Luapula Provinces. Just remember, PF has nearly 100% MP representation in these provinces. HH can win, that is just a possibility. Be objective.
PREDICTION:
1. PF under EL wins 2015 presidential by election till 2016
2. HH wins presidential elections 2016- 2021
3. HH again wins 2021 to 2026
In other words EL is winning these elections no matter what…then HH has brighter and more years in leadership only in 2016.
EL in records 2015-2016
HH will go into record of serving Zambia from 2016 to 2026
Facebook opinion poll. I didn’t participate in it. Obvious my brother didn’t either, and my 7 sisters. My workmates neither of them participated, oh the list goes on and on..
You have just included all the livestock to arrive at these figures. do another among humans
Facebook constitutes only 0.555% of Zambian population. That poll doesnt reflect what will happen on the 20th January when HH loses again with 3%. Thanks
@ figo
How come you are ruling yourself from another poll?
Opinion polls? Wait for the actual day bwana. As Dr. Simuyani and you will know the power of PF.
Edgar Lungu is the man! Cool, calm, collected and experienced!
So you think the majority voters are also part of these polls? Wake up zed isnt the US of A. HH will not beat EL thats a fact. But I could be wrong so lets wait for 20 Jan. Then will talk
@Lord Voldemort
I stated the same thing in one post. I mentioned that Copperbelt is a problem for HH. If he is to get the C.B vote, an alliance would be the best for now. After 2016, he will not need an alliance because people will have trusted him and he will ride on his own popularity. An alliance with a party like MMD will get him the majority of Eastern and C.B votes, combined with Southern province which he wholly owns, he will definitely win no doubt at all. HH can sway the North-Western vote with no problem.The problem is that when you suggest something as sensible as this which all UPND supporters know is very true, they are on your @** with insults left right and centre.
Bloggers dont have voters’ cards. No impact on outcome. Let them go pa ma maliketi and do the “mock up”, that way it will be closer to the outcome… Let us wait for those that vote and hear the result.
That’s just your wishfull thinking. Come a day after 20th January and you’ll have your HH crying following his to be his greatest loss in his life!
If I were his wife, I’d advise HH to surrender as there is nothing he can do for now that would make him even come second to EL as RB will be Second to EL (the sixth Republican Presido)!
Shocked? Mwikalanda ati tatwalandile!!!
Viva EL!
It seems judges and lawyers went to different schools with different education curriculums altogether…why all these conflicting statements and judgments?
The fact before the courts of law is that everyone at “2nd conference “saw the court injunction as confessed by their returning officer and the respective response he got from Guy Scoty that ‘ DO WHAT IS RIGHT” that was around 15 hours.
Sampa was declared something the day after…
JUDGES AND LAWYERS show us that you are fair in you dealings or ELSE we will question judgements passed on our relatives who are in serving in prisons.
judgement is 15th and nomination day is 19th. between these two days, court processes and ruling on who to stand on PF ticket? lets wait and see.
There is another hearing on 16th on the issue of disclosing State Secrets without Authority.
UPND maggots, concentrate on your failed economic manager and leave PF alone. The President of PF is Edgar Lungu whether, Mmembe, Scott or Masebo like it or not. Sampa knows the worst mistake he has ever made in his life, its just his stupid pride and selfish ego that’s driving him. Even the in Matero are now supporting Edgar.
You cant beat people’s power.
Viva Edgar viva pabwatooooooo
ba Sampa,don’t destroy your political career because of ignorance.You are purpoting that you were not aware of the injuction that was served on you.Your ignorance of law will not be an excuse.And will not be intertained.You are a time waster and a confused chap.We need serious people with serious agenda for the nation.
Ths just to confirm that PF is Finished.
I don’t have to be a lawyer but I know that “Ignorance of the law is no justification for offense”…Look, Sampa is done and the notion of sticking posters of himself as a presidential candidate will land him in very bitter waters! I have not heard any MP supporting the candidature of Miles Sampa in recent days. Look, sir, you have been weighed on the scale and have been found wanting.
Power is sweet and can blindfold those who seek it. Surely, Sampa cannot see that Lungu is more popular by far even if they went back to the convention. Leadership is natural however intelligent you think you are.
Secondly, sensitivity is a key issue in this Lungu and Sampa case! Your so called Uncle, Sata, was the president and you want to rule also from the same tribe/family perceived as selfish and greedy!
let Mr Lungu lead PF…..next time Bwana Sampa….apa tapali icobe munyinane…try next time but be careful before you lose every element of respect and trust people may have in you….Learn from Mrs Kaseba that miscalculated her mathematics also…..
Lesa akupale munyinane Sampa.
Let the squash each other as time is running out. Inshita tailolela cipuba. You will soon meet H.E Hakainde Hichilema to resolve your issues.
Do we still need any of this o0r is it time to get on with our lives? This news ha been stale a long time ago.
It is said already that Inshita tailolela cipuba. Already they had started late the campaigns and they also dont have cash for the campaigns. Zambia is vast and HH is miles away to the remotest places where Lungu will not pass looking at time. Lungu wants only in Lusaka and the copperbelt where people are civilised and know where to cast there votes no matter what you tell them. Indeed it is just HH ‘s time who can dispute this.
With the stinking corrupt Lombe Chibesakunda being part of the bench, Sampa should know that he has already lost. This wrinkled corrupt woman Lombe Chibesakunda is the leader of the cartel that made sure the PF convention violated all rules to force Edgar Lungu on everybody as PF presidential candidate. I think even Sampa knows that he has already lost. He should just join HH as he said, and then form his own party in 2015 after the coming elections.
Think he playing troublesome for the purpose of fostering
#FlightHH2015 agenda.
Confusion will give pipo sleepless nights and thus more alcohol consumption. Stress factor MUNE.
Viva #FlightHH2015 & 2016.
Edgar Kachasu Chibuku Lungu will lose the coming elections with a wide margin. Let him go back to Malawi where he belongs. Why is he interfearingn in the bnational affairs of another sovereign country? He is a Muslim Malawian and not a Zambian. Chibesakunda should be very careful with pipo that are none Zambians.
do you have proof Matildah or just yapping
Look @14 Matildah
We already have a white foreign man masquerading as President. You should be more concerned with that as Scott is the one who is engineering all this.
I don’t see what’s wrong with having a Zambian Muslim as President anyway. We already had President Kaunda from Malawi.
So we’ve had Malawian, White, now Muslem.
Edgar is 10000% Zambian you frustrated divorcee!!! Muzalila on 21st January 2015
I will drink my own urine for 7 days if Edgar Kacasu Lungu wins the elections. The man’s blood is 100% achoholic.
Beta start drinking now.
IT SEEMS YOU MAY HAVE TO EAT YOUR FAECES TOO.
Poor Finishing indeed.
Aleisa, Aleisa, HH aleisa awe twachula sana apa nomba ni FORWARD.Tekubwekela kunuma.
Viva #Flight HH2015 & 2016.
Katele Kalumba a confirmed wizard and crook supports HH and that’s fine for UPND supporters. If he was supporting any other candidate then all hell breaks loose. UPND is a party with no dissent within its ranks. Really? Don’t we have some of their MPs supporting PF as deputy ministers? Every party has its problems. None of the candidates, HH included is an angel. That said, may the best candidate win.
When you say “may the best candidate win”, do you mean best crook, best embezzler, best liar, best drunkard……………..?
@Aleshaday is that your definition of “best candidate”? Well, certainly not mine! If you will vote for the candidate you’re describing then I doubt your sanity. By the way, I very much doubt that a convicted crook will be allowed to contest the election.
But there is also the argument that the first general conference was characterized with violence and made it impossible for other legitimate delegates ( Sampa’s supporters) to attend the meeting. Further, there were also allegations that some delegates in the first conference were not legitimate . If there is some truth in these arguments, then the outcome of the first conference will also be deemed illegal. Of course the court may ask the Matero team to prove these claims beyond reasonable doubt.
Supreme court will base its ruling on the points of law and not on allegations.
But, I Scott called for that 1st conference but shunned it later. I was for no apparent reason. So Edgar won, chapwa!
@18 Mukamundyoli
Firstly, the ruling of Contempt for running the parallel hearing cannot be overcome. Your allegations cannot be taken into account.
Scott, Sampa et al on receipt or hearing of the ruling decided to ignore it RATHER than run to the court to challenge it. What they are actually trying to do now is ANSWER the Injunction after BREACHING it.
There is NO WAY Sampa’s win can be taken into consideration because likewise, other contestants, Kambwili, Lubinda withdrew because of irregularities and failure to form a quorum.
Even if the Supreme Court somehow make a ruling against The1st convention, it will mean PF have NO recognisable candidate AND will have to go back to convention. DOUBT the Court would find that REASONABLE. Sampa must lose.
@18 Mukamundyoli
Scott and the others were first invited to attend by Inonge Wina, who correctly met with Scott to raise concers of Health and Safety conditions for the convention attendees. Regardless of Health and Safety conditions Scott et al decided to act unreasonably and stay away.
Even the insistence of holding the Convention under some false adherence to PF Constitution (which the court will note has irregularities and interpretations can differ); was UNREASONABLE. The convention was not necessary because IT WAS TOO LATE TO RUN A VERIFICATION OF CONVENTION attendees. It was UNREASONABLE to make that process during the convention. It caused confusion.
REASONABLENESS is a legal balance check in Court Rulings. Sampa’s case is NOT reasonable.
Ba Sampa, Umwana ashumfwa, amenene umwenfu kwikoshi. Why have you forsaken noble people’s advise? any way, ignorance has no defence no fool will easily admit that is a fool. welcome to the comp of unemployed Mr many Miles sampa.
Ati i never saw the court order kiikikiiiii .how did kalungombe see it then?It was illegal conference therefore no need to waste time.Let Miles go and form his own party.He is wasting our time coz he is not popular and he is being used by Mmembe(cartel) and UPND supporters.We PF members don’t want Miles Sampa to be a leader.he was scared of EL at the GC.He decided to hide with Guy Scott at Walusangu guest house for 4 days in order to frustrate the delegates so that they could come up with matero thugs to vote 4 miles.Ala Ba Scoti kwena amano yanono.Infact Miles should know that court contempt mulandu ukulu otherwise everyone will never respect the law if miles goes free.We’ll be referring to miles sampa and scott who disobeyed the court order.Viva PF n EL
ECL is wining the case in the supreme court and he will also win the presidential by-election 20/01/2015
Again and again and again ni pa bwatooo fye!. Those who don’t like Edgar & PF can leave Zambia, after all they claim to be very educated ha ha ha ha….
You would think that Sampa, as a qualified economist, would be in the know that you cannot plead ignorance in law. In mitigation perhaps.
Please get a life. Total waste of taxpayers money.
I believe in God and my spirit is telling that Edgar Lungu will win on monday at supreme court and also win 2015 elections!this man is damn popular on the ground!despite mad thrown at him by UPND and M’membe’s cartel,God seem to be standing by Edgar’s side because evil cant defeat what majority Zambians want!we need peace so God help judges confirm EL as PF president!
@23 eddy
Yes we believe in God and his will shall be known. We pray our Judiciary have inner spiritual hearts to discern
His will.
Lungu is really a blessing to Zambia for the caretaker period. So stable and foward looking is our Lungu. This is no time for change of an experimental nature.
I think you are not normal! And second, you don’t understand christianity.
Time for HH in 2015-2016. Vote HH for President.
On what basis you dreamer.
I wish the Supreme Court had not dragged this one out, but I trust our Judiciary.
I think they want to make Sampa feel he has been heard, (full bench)…but they must deliver a knockout on Monday. This matter needs to end.
PF cannot go back to the drawing board, to a new convention which is the only way it can be, consider cost etc…. It is also not advisable, potentially, Violence will be the outcome of this. The Judiciary in Zambia does seem to drag its feet, why prolong these matters?
On balance, allowing Sampa the claim is damaging to the Judiciary’s image and on how they are perceived by the public and public confidence.
Everyone in Zambia and beyond knew there was an injunction on that parallel convention, the veracity, of Sampa’s claim is questionable.
Let it be a bruising finish. EL is too much of a rascal and a ruffian.
These are the characteristics of UPND supporters:
1. Very lazy at work but demands blood from stone
2. Appear humble on the outside but very bitter inside (God knows)
3. Hateful and jealous of anyone progressive
4. Low esteem in whatever they do (inferiority complex)
5. Pretenders big time!!
6. See bad in everything everybody good
7. Do not believe that acceptance of weakness builds one’s character
8. The list is endless……
PF traits:
1.Practical and earn their living (hard workers)
2. See challenges as opportunities
3. Accept and interact freely
4. Open to criticism and new ideas
5. Look to the future with optimism
6. Work for their living
7. Appreciate that the world is not ideal but that only the fittest survive
8. Believe in “I can do it” attitude
Pirde comes before a fall – Sampa & Cartel miscalculated the whole scheme its pay back period now!!! Mahtani has been fanning this confusion – the law should visit him: WONDER why former Chief JUSTICE id doing hanging around the CARTEL and pay roll of mahtani .
Poverty drive people to do strange things:
How can Edgar deliver on President Sata’s vision if he can not even deliver a simple speech to a church gathering or a simple speech to his followers at a rally? I really wonder whether some Zambians still have brains! They can follow anything for anything. These are lost souls and they need both spiritual and political deliverance. Give the presidency to Miles Sampa. At least he seems quite more organized than EL. What will happen after 20th Jan 2015 when you hear that EL has lost? For him, he will just go to Chawama and drink his head off. What about the PF party? That will be the end otherwise the party will have to find another president to stand in between that time and the next convention.
He is not a pastor but a Political giant and performer!
“I the CJ, by the powers entrusted in me do hereby declare on this day of 21st January 2015 Edgar Chagwa Lungu President of the Patriotic Front as the duly elected President of the Republic of Zambia.”
What’s the latest poll from Neo Simuntanyi saying?
It should be obvious! The mood in the whole country is one and the same. Fighting PF are too childish to lead, while ancient MMD too blind to see their way! HH is overwhelmingly the people’s choice.
Eaten . they have already received retirement packages from lung . this is the country of the Rich . and tribe . fili uko tuya . aleisa aleisa tukakumana . chonde afuta abamwenda . ubukota butula kunuma . chiti mukulu alachindama . umwana angala kuli babenye tawama .
With Chibesa-Kunda at the helm, the Zambian judiciary is rotten. I personally does not have faith in it.
Edgar is much more popular than his teacher and mentor Sata. The man is really loved and extraordinarily so. Results are as follows of total vote cast are:
1. Edgar Lungu PF 68%
2. Rupiah Bwezani Banda MMD 18%
3. Hakaivotela Heka (HH) UPND 11%
4. Others 3%
Mwaiche Sampa, you are just wasting your time with this court nonsense. Just form your own party or join Sinkamba’s Green Party as his Vice-President. You are not Presidential material.
Thank you!! SADC is for PF and Edgar. Now stop the nonsense.
Supreme and High Court are the same. The ruling was made sometime and this is a dead issue.
The problem with UPND how do you declare that ONLY A TONGA CAN BE A PRESIDENT of your party.
is that right thinking ?
That’s like calling Mporokoso – Abercon and Chipata – Fort Jameson. It’s past. The country has since moved on. It was merely a slip of a tongue by a single, sick-minded rascal. We can’t allow that one sick mind to keep a whole nation of progressively thinking people captive to his stinking thinking. Join in and dance to the new music.
Flight HH 2015 is irresistible sir.Even Guy scott after seein intelligency info confirmed that HH gained alot of support before he rescinded his decision to campaign for EL.
For us ni forward chabe.
Keep your visionless pf president to yourself.
Why prolong the suffering of this poor boy?
He is the underdog remember. He has little to lose. It’s EL who is having heart palpitations even as we speak.
This is what is going to happen. Lungu won’t be qualified to stand on PF ticket so will Sampa. If I had my way to advice the Sampa and Nevers’ camps, as I have said before, the most effective way is to work with Nawakwi as well as Nevers Mumber ‘NEVER’ and come up with a unity and formidable party to prove to the privatisation con and Kanitundila that you are a force to reckon with.
@ GRAND: The chap who said so is now a full time PF cadre. He was planted in UPND to produce that sinister and demonic statement otherwise UPND knows no tribe and race. Let us try HH; there is every reason to believe he means well for our country. Poverty knows no tribe or race. I am sure by the time his second term ends, Zambia is highly likely to have changed for the better. This is the Zambia we all cry for. Not the Zambia where political patronage is the only way of survival. If we do not put HH into Statehouse, posterity will judge (charge) us harshly. Let us be mindful of army of students and pupils who are churned out every year into the job-hunt industry but there are no jobs. For once, let us try this person. He may be the key we have been missing all these years.
Ise ni HH chabe.No visionless leaders anymore
PF structures and all its members must and should remind our voters that UPND stated and still states that its a party for Tongas only! We will be reminding all the voters countrywide that if you aren’t Tonga, you cant be in UPDN, they said it themselves so why vote for them? Its on record and we shall say and replay it wherever we go. That’s why Mr Chisanga resigned from UPND, they tribalists and so let the bakaivotele. No wonder they chose their president by Hakaivotela Heka.
@ Mr Fair Play
but HH did not condem those statements, thats how he was brought up to push sakwiba out of the party.
I sorry to say that most of his surporters have been using the tribe instead of their heads.
@41 GRAND
It’s the irony of extremism. The Tea Party are, as we speak, a necessary evil within the U.S.’s Republican Party. Similarly, the Communist Party was a necessary evil within the ANC of S. Africa. Within the MMD, Dr. Nevers Mumba can be seen as having been less accommodating of, perceptively, divergent views. It has cost him dearly.
At the time that unfortunate statement was issued, HH was not even an insider within the UPND party. As a matter of fact, he has largely been seen as the lone passenger of the train that you now suggest he should have “condemned” soon after alighting from it. That would have been unwise and an ugly spit in the face. It happens to be merely a trivia, a necessary evil that a leader, at times, is compelled to live with.
It well known that UPND is a tribal party no matter how they try to sell HH.History is very clear.Can u imagine these UPND callers are now saying anyone who will vote for PF is a Fuuuuul?These chaps make me campaign more against their leader.They don’t know how to persuade electorates.Viva El and Pf
@44 Moscow(Op)
I wish you knew just how tribal you sound yourself.
the suspendee suspended the suspender! then the suspendee chaired the conference!!
Some legal geniuses are required to resolve this one.
@18 Mukamundyoli
Firstly, the ruling of Contempt for running the parallel hearing cannot be overcome. Your allegations cannot be taken into account.
Scott, Sampa et al on receipt or hearing of the ruling decided to ignore it RATHER than run to the court to challenge it. What they are actually trying to do now is ANSWER the Injunction after BREACHING it.
There is NO WAY Sampa’s win can be taken into consideration because likewise, other contestants, Kambwili, Lubinda withdrew because of irregularities and failure to form a quorum.
Even if the Supreme Court somehow make a ruling against The1st convention, it will mean PF have NO recognisable candidate AND will have to go back to convention. DOUBT the Court would find that REASONABLE. Sampa must lose.
@18 Mukamundyoli
Scott and the others were first invited to attend by Inonge Wina, who correctly met with Scott to raise concers of Health and Safety conditions for the convention attendees. Regardless of Health and Safety conditions Scott et al decided to act unreasonably and stay away.
Even the insistence of holding the Convention under some false adherence to PF Constitution (which the court will note has irregularities and interpretations can differ); was UNREASONABLE. The convention was not necessary because IT WAS TOO LATE TO RUN A VERIFICATION OF CONVENTION attendees. It was UNREASONABLE to make that process during the convention. It caused confusion.
REASONABLENESS is a legal balance check in Court Rulings. Sampa’s case is NOT reasonable.
And with all other cases involving elements of Sampa’s case; Duplicity is a problem. A large margin of error can lead to years and years of appeal after appeal, not reasonable. For the ruling to make sense it must seek to address the problem at hand. Who goes to the polls? The deadline is 19, 20 December. Is it reasonable to declare both candidates illegal AND go back to Selection process, bearing in mind the broken relationships in the party it could very well lead to violence spreading to marr the elections.
A common sense approach is the best. Leave well what is current and Sampa et al must face Contempt charges.
Hon. Inonge put a stop to Scott’s unreasonable conduct in the last months. He really cut his nose to spite his face by his behaviour. Tripped himself.
@37 GRAND:
How would you have felt had Barack Obama been censored by the American public because of Reverent Jeremiah Wright’s scathing racial ranting? Fortunately, the Americans were smart enough to know and realize that Reverend Wright was not Barack Obama and Barack Obama was not Reverend Wright. Similarly, HH should not be made to pay for somebody else’s sins.
@Mei Matungu, and you don’t remember Barack Obama rebuking and distancing himself from Jeremiah Wright’s remarks? Which, ironically, HH has failed or conveniently ignored to do over the declaration “ONLY A TONGO CAN BE UPND PRESIDENT”! Is this because he has benefited from such NAKED TRIBALISM?
And this is the same guy who blurted some more TRIBAL NONSENSE during by-elections in Katuba when he was campaigning for his bantu botatwe cousin, Shikafuswa. Remember that?
I can only hope in his heart of hearts during his quiet-hour-of-reflection he has seen the danger and fallibility of TRIBAL POLITICS and UNNECESSARY TRIBAL ANTAGONISM. He is now campaigning in Northern, Muchinga, etc; I hope he sees how other tribes behave—Bembas have no “beef” with anybody!
@45.1 Yambayamba
You are right except you missed the context of what I said. Barack Obama distancing himself from the remarks by Rev. Jeremiah Wright was not the benchmark. Racism was the benchmark. Despite the presence of racism in America, white people still voted for Barack Obama, a black man. Rev. Wright’s racial remarks were trivia.
Similarly in Zambia, the benchmark is not a Tribal remark by a Tonga crack head. The benchmark is tribalism. Everyone knows that Bembas are tribal. In spite of that, however, people in other provinces do vote for Bemba presidential candidates. They have not used that benchmark – Bemba tribalism against a Bemba presidential candidate. And yet, Bembas are the first ones to protest against Tonga tribalism and use it against HH. !!!
@45.1 Yambayamba
Since 1964, I do not recall an election when Bembas voted for a non-Bemba. And yet Bemba candidates have been receiving votes from other provinces. The idea of Bembas not voting for a non-Bemba, should come to an end. When the late Sata realized that he could not make it to State House purely on the Bemba vote alone, he trotted the whole country. People from non-Bemba territories voted for him. Those people did so, despite their knowledge that Bemba tribalism was real.
To hide behind the tribal remark that the Tonga crack head made, is simply a poor excuse. Bembas need to demonstrate that they too can afford to vote for a non-Bemba even when there is a Bemba candidate on the ballot paper. That’s what “ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION” means. Zambia has 73 tribes.
@ 45.1 Yambayamba
Your rationale and that of GRAND above is that you would rather not vote for HH, because as far as you are concerned, he is tribal. But Chiluba was also tribal, so was Mwanawasa and RB as well as Sata who became the chief tribalistic of all. You happily voted for each of these without exception, didn’t you? At least you never criticized them. But you would rather not vote for HH “because he is tribal.” That doesn’t make sense.
We all may be tribal by nature. If HH is tribal at all, which I doubt, he still would not be the exception. I see him as a Zambian genuinely interested in doing something for his country. Remember the old adage: “He who asks for the riddle has become a riddle himself.” It’s you and GRAND above who are sounding tribal, not HH.
Sampa et al on receipt or hearing of the injunction decided to ignore it rather than challenge it. Though they had issues with the first convention, they should have challenged the court ruling. Dura lex sed lex– the law is hard, but it is the law. Although it can be argued that in the first convention there were allegations of violence, the court deals with facts and not allegations. De minimis non curat lex —- the law does not concern itself with trifles.Sampa and others needed to deal with that injunction before going ahead with the second conference. Sampa’s case is further damaged by the confession of the returning officer that he saw the court order and decided to go ahead despite the illegality. Further a quorum was not formed.
pf need politicians leader like sampa and masebo not edgar lungu who has know vision. how can you carry vision for your late president ba edgar lungu STOP nonsense we GO z ambia for HH VOTE VOTE VOTE HH HHHHHHHHHHHHHH UPND. MUMBWA TO KASEMPA ROAD. HOW IS THE ROAD KASEMPA PEOPLE ARE YOU VOTING FOR PF NOW GO FOR HHHHHHHHH LUNGU HAS GOT VISION FOR THE LATE SATA HIM HAS KNOW VISION .WHY VOTING CONFUSION PEOPLE LIKE PF SEE YOU VOTING FOR HH