Join politics, Ronnie tells vocal NGOs

1. Shikapwasha when do you ever work???!!! Old man we are tired of you!!!! Why should NGOs join politican parties???
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2. This NGOs are descasting if there fought th third term with th same strategy,ths one there are goin to far bcoz the chiluba case ws in th courts of law after th same people pressured th late to remove his immunity an chiluba ws tried in th couts of law for almost eight years,now wt is ths babaric way of doin thns th POST hav got personal agenda for chiluba an there tryin al means to believe wht there write abt him.Pliz ths NGOs shud demonstrate against the judiciary for the verdct on th principle of separation of powers stop promotin anarchy in ths country pliz our fmr president has been aquitted by th courts in short there qustioning th judiciary ke ths is a case if u dnt kno.

3. FTJ was taken to the London court over corruption by the late LPM who died after a reoccurrent brain stroke, He was found guilty by the late Judge Smith who died of a heart attack, the case was being registered in the Zambian courts by the late judge Japhet Banda who died in a road accident at the time of these events the Chief of Police who was a member of the Task Force by virtue of his office was Wazakaza Nguni, he died in a road accident. It is not clear which judge is currently handling the matter if any. President Chiluba is a former President and an evangelist, he has repeatedly pronounced that he is a prophet standing on solid rock and that whoever fights his Godly ways shall be crushed. It is yet to be known whether his prophecies are true or are yet to occur.

4. The democratic space is open for every citizen to become a political actor through formation of party registered by the registrar of Societies.But anarchists be told that there is and shall never be space for them come what may. Patriotic Citizens that treasure democracy, the rule of law and peace are live to the task of enforcing and fostering this peace to the act.This anti peace leagues must understand their gamble because there is enough capacity to take them on to their experience for the love of Zed.

5. But this “rev” is a complete I.M.B.i.C.I.L.E,so he is suggesting that all vocal NGOs should form political parties,what nonsense coming from a grown up

6. U shud be fair u pipo ths country has wasted a lot of money triein an individual wht hav we gained as ordinally zambians apart from enriching Bane Mutembo and th friends ths is sh**t we know pipo lik max hav been thr cried for an appeal coz thr job was at stake called th Task force an illegal institution to do all sensitive work thts why it has nt yielded any results.Pliz spare ou tax money u fools.

7. # 2,the NGOs are not promoting anarchy in any way,its actually Kanitundila promoting anarchy,The NGOs are rightly questioning why the State withdrew the appeal on directives from Kanitundila,Faustin & Chungu have appealed agaist their conviction why cant the People appeal against the thief.Your love for theft should not blind your reasoning

8. 32 hours to honk time! It’s on, and there ain’t nothing IG, SC and Persona (Engines in disguise) can do about it cos guess what, you characters are not in the country!

   Infact, using Shikapwasha’s advice, why don’t you guys join politics before you start posting your useless comments? What is wrong with appealing? If the Magistrate Court clears a person, it does not mean that if you appeal then you have disrespected the Judiciary. Otherwise, we would not have the High Court and Supreme Court. But you chaps seem hell bent on convincing us the magistrate has the last word in this issue. Hell no! Let Chiluba be cleared by the Supreme Court. Then we will rest. Remember the ZNBC Board case? Media organisations won that case in the high court but no one stopped govt from appealing…

9. #2 IG i strongly agree with you though your English is somehow grammatically distorted. Anyways one is still able to get your valid point! What else do we Zambians want? Parliament was pressured to remove Kafupi’s immunity by the NGOs and of course 70 percent of the MPs bowed to pressure. The late president Levy Mwanawasa raised 69 preliminary issues that where to be used as a basis to prosecute Chiluba. Do you know what happened later? All of them where were declared “nolle prosequi”. That in itself was extremely embarrassing to the late and the worst part of it was that the man was extremely under pressure from several quarters; notable amongst them THE POST (From Chiluba is a thief case). The man had no choice but to create another case to save his face.

10. The battle line has been drawn one party will win the other will close. Ronnie work for your money. Siding with thiefs and womanisers will cost you dearly. Watch this space on Sunday when Kamwala, LK will accommodate the mighty parties. Senior Citizen you will chock with anger!!

11. Right on Wanzelu. In addition, #2 should learn to write proper English on such boards. This is not SMS.

12. There is a lot of nonsense that goes on in this country and when people raise legitimate questions, they are told off and accused of promoting anarchy, chaos, you name it. How is this promoting anarchy in the nation? And you chaps who keep talking about violence, that’s bull. Most of you don’t even have arms. What are you going to use for fighting? What you are promoting is docility and not peace. As yahmen are bound to tell you, there can be no peace without justice, and right now we have no justice in the country. It’s all horns ablaze tomorrow!

13. True democrats in a functional democracy as ours need to respect court judgements. When you take a case before the courts, you don’t do so with a fixiated mind that unless the verdict is against my enemy then only has the due process of the law been exercised.Chiluba had his immunity stripped irregulary and subjected to dehumanizing judicial process for eight years yet nothing substantiative has been found but hate groups and anarchists gaining through heft legal fees trickle down arrangements.Does it have to take US $ 5 billion and 20 years to settle a court case in a functional society? Is justice only justice when tabloids carried the day? Democracy and the rule of law calls for respect of independent judiciary for democracy to thrive.Therefore anarchist must be shown citizen resolve.

14. # 9 Sir Alcapone thanks for tht observation anyway i dnt know much of english i speak French,Spanish and Portuguess otherwise am here in zambia to learn english so thanks for tht speciffally # 11 Moderator atlest u cn see wht i want to put across to u all zambians.

15. Justice must prevail at any cost.

16. The MMD politicians are having BP, they are not enjoying cash, since last they are always defending themselves. Add pressure! Can Mmembe lose a case, I wonder! Touch Mmembe and spoil your life, it took King Combra to kneel before him. Ask VJ in Congo, King Chilub, HB etc no sleeping. With me The Post is very effective in fighting corruption. All those targeted will be arrested one day… Smart girl, henry, muchanga the upp, general lawyer nkunda, kaliluba the short guy

17. The money they have collected from anti unity, anti-peace, anti stability musamundas to spark and fuel anarchy is wasted money because this country’s peace and stability is beyond these anarchists’ capacity to to alter it. Mushala, Simbwende, Alice Lenshina, Spoiler, Miyanda, Shamwana, Kabwe and John Lungu aka solo all cashed in from these musamundas for no results yet Zed lives on.Any change from a patriot RB after his second and final term to another patriot other than an anarchists will be democratic and peaceful as always.Thus these chaps in disguise are cheating themselves with their weakedness for money.

18. Senior MAN, that case delayed because your god Chiluba was faking sickness, where has he bought the good health.

19. So according to Shikapwasha, whoever criticises Govt, that person must form a party and join politics. Just how many parties are we going to have????nosense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20. this man is dull seriously

21. Tell me something guys, why haven’t the press taken over to find more evidence of Chiluba’s misappropriation of funds. Our press is a let down also. Baroness Scotland’s case is an example. She defended her case of employing her cleaner without a valid Visa by saying she forgot to photocopy the passport. The press has helped by recording a live interview with the worker involved, and the witness says she never checked her passport.

    I guess these Civil Societies will register to become a party and would win the election like the MMD was just a movement, but, they would become the same if not checked. Political parties become powerful guys and once they take the reigns they become full of power. Power is sweet, these spokesmen know what they would miss if they were defeated ..continued

22. The same NGO’S CHANGE HENCE WE ARE NOT SURE HOW THIER PLANS CAN WORK.

23. How can NGOs form a political party? Thats what happens when you have no answer to the many questions people have been asking you. Just admit that you have failed us. Its the same Government that is associating with Chiluba and when his acquittal is criticised, you say we are trying to get back at RB. Our peace should not be taken for granted. After all its not a demonstration but HONKING! Come on Zambians honk for against all injustices.

24. Even the case of the diplomats saying they were disappointed with the Zambian government, as you take such a message from someone why dont you get tangible evidence to prove your story, and if you dont, Please dont even publish the news because, you will not be able to defend it.
    Are we going to a situation where, people will now be arrested for speaking out and demonstrating? I thought police are there to keep vigil on demonstrations and whoever, becomes violent, police are there to keep law and order. As government you can only gain popularity by acting right. Government can take some of the matters to court as well to achieve a balance. Lets get civilized guys.

25. I like your maturity IG #2 and #14. I also would like to positively recognize abakalamba ba senior citizen #17. Your contributions are extremely objective and characteristic of a person who analyses issues based on research, study and thus possess the ability to give independent opinions. I have noticed that most of our bloggers make contribution based on articles that they read from Newspapers. To them what comes from the papers is the Gospel truth. Some of these papers have the potential of promoting cultism and please be aware of such. Am urging all the bloggers to find time to read and research widely before they post comments on LT. Most of these NGOs want the spin wheel to continue rotating so that they could continue enjoy themselves in the name of good governance. WHY HONK? Not me

26. Interesting but sad. Does it mean Zambians other than those in Politics cannot demand anything inpublic interest? In fact if chiluba goes back to court through an appeal, it will be in his own interest to be cleared. hiluba’s spokeperson’s comment that Chiluba immunity was automatically restored is laughable to say the least. in fact im considering dragging Chiluba to the local court for some misdemeanor.

27. # 13 The rule of law implies that due process should be pursued to the end. Why has a simple appeal been denied.

28. I can clearly see the undercurrent, and I understand their frustration. However, this to me is a created reality that has no bearing whatsoever to the well being of the majority of the Zambians. These are groups of time wasters who don’t know what is good for themselves later on the majority of the Zambians. This is energy that I would rather was exerted on pushing for Accountability, transparency, stronger ACC, Auditor Gen. independent judiciary and police service. That I would say is a worth while cause. The inability to be forward looking and do the appropriate thing for a better tomorrow has for a long time eluded the country. I want to call upon well meaning Zambians not to be used to serve the moment of few selfish individuals but posterity. The country needs to make real progress.

29. RB is a rejoiner of citizens. Every citizen clean of criminal judgement is at liberty to get access to his country’s head of state.In the same vein, FJT as a cleared citizen by the independent judiciary has every inalienable right constitutionally of association. In a democracy you don’t force people to dress up your hatred, resentiments and shortcomings.RB cannot be forced to shoulder callous Mmembe’s xonophobic natural hatred.Doing so would be counter productive.RB is a rejoiner of all citizens. In a democracy anyone who is truly into Sovereignty must also be practicing the art of total self-responsibility.

30. Bad and common statemnt from Govt whenever is ts questioned or pipo try to hold it accountable. AS for the aquital of Chiluba , i think lets respect the seperation of powers and not question the decision just bescuase of our personal feelings towards Chiluba. Anyone who knows anything about law knows that the Magistrate acts on the facts presented and the legal arguments. The fact that we may all feel that FTJ is a thief does not mean that the facrs in this particular case were adequate for a conviction. Lets move on And on the DPP, he has a constitutional powers to decide on these whether to appeal or not and these poweres were well thought out and exist all democracies, so let not call for public pressure or anarchy because we dislike the little T.w.i.t

31. Alcapone, can you please tell us exactly which cases came out as nolles in any of chiluba’s case from the 69 initial cases and which court or judge presided over the same cases,you mmd cadres never cease to amaze,isnt it Mulongoti who used to castigate chiluba when he was in mwanawasa’s administration,can anyone of you explain why the goal posts have sudddenly changed,the same chiluba was being percieved to be an anarchist,now he is a darling of mmd everything has changed,there’s no maturity nor objectivity in any of #2 or #14,being objective is standing on the trueth and being principled,it doesnt matter how long a court case takes as long as justice is seen to have been dispensed correctly,if you guys were objective you could have atleast said something about mulongotis pronouncements

32. It is disappointing to still have leaders like Ronnie who cannot see the relevance of what the Civil Organizations are saying ! People chose the leaders to take their interests but what we have from learders like Ronnie is disgusting.Has he faile to answer them? It is not just political parties that you should take on.It seems you just like taking on people and not providing a service to the people. By the way i find Mr. Chiluba’s spokeperson contraciting him when he says following the acquittal immunity is automatically restored,not mentioning where he gets that from, whereas Mr.Chiluba wrote to the Speaker of the House to ask Parliament to restore his immunity. What is the truth on this matter? It seems it is desparation that is driving them to make unfounded statements.Bye abena Zed.

33. I gree with blogger 28 , lets move foward. Lets start looking at the Auditor general reports, our health and education services. Our production levels etc.

34. Thanks Sir Alcapone, i hav been reading th post despite nt being away from home coz i know home is home an i hav been keen followin zambian politics with tht empathy bt hav found the POST to be biased i agree with u # 16 STATE coz Mmembe has nt been proffessional in his conduct as a journalst when u my friend STATE u hav personnal difference with ths man he will finish u thru the post instead u iron out ur difference outside press,thts why u thnk is powerfull no is nt is jst selfish,We know th post wants to put some one in power th one there will seal Deals lik th late mwanawasa did with them,we knew it all thts why they did all they could to ensure sata lost to mwanawasa bcoz of those stinking deals ZAMBIAN AIRWAYS Mwanawas even went to tell Malupenga to be th author of his book we know

35. Honking njikata!! I have ordered 100 vuvuzelas for whoever is interested especially those without cars. Let me know if you some. Chiluba (the dribbler) is even distorting issues by saying NGOs are fighting RB ‘s Boma; NO BATATA. – Niwebo tulefwaya Lazo..!!! As for HERB and GAK ”George Acquital Kunda” SC (State Confuser) mwaitaya big time…!! Watch this space.

36. I challenge anyone of you mmd minions to explain the quotations attributed to mulongoti in the tabloids,,,im going to copy and paste,,,i want you to be objective and maybe,just maybe you guys are true patriots

    Times of Zambia, Saturday, May 12, 2007: Main Headline; Don’t Incite Zambians,
    Mulongoti tells FJT
    Government has said former President, Fredrick Chiluba, should have defended himself in the
    London High Court than attempt to incite Zambians to rise against the Government. Chief
    Government spokesperson, and Minister of Information and Broadcasting Services, Mike
    Mulongoti said in a statement in Lusaka yesterday that Dr. Chiluba as a defendant was entitled to his opinion about the London High Court and could have argued in court if he did not refuse to
    defend himself.

37. Do these people understand the word anarchy? They are misusing it every day…shame

38. Zambia Daily Mail, Headline, Chiluba’s complaint baseless – Mulongoti
    Chief Government spokesperson, Mike Mulongoti, says there is no basis for former President,
    Fredrick Chiluba, to accuse his successor, Levy Mwanawasa, of working with Britain to secure his
    conviction in cases of alleged corrupt practices. “I have difficulties to find any basis for Dr Chiluba
    to say the President has connived with Britain to secure his conviction,” he said. Mr Mulongoti said
    the British court had no interest in Dr Chiluba because it was merely helping Zambians to
    determine whether or not their complaints against the former head of State over alleged theft of
    public resources were justified.

    In all these statements, Hon Mulongoti was very clear that former President Dr. Chiluba’s…

39. “RB is a rejoiner of Citizens” hahahahahhaah…………………Senior Citizen stop watching South Park too much.Your old Shrek is a petty tribalist togather with his adulterous friend

40. The dual process of the law does not mean abusing the judiciary.Taking any immaterial case before the courts which has recorded 98.5% some Nolle prosequi on almost all its submissions is lacking a sense of responsibility.This cannot be the case of just appeasing hate groups or deliberate incovinience of the accused when offices of the Solicitor General, Attorney General and Public prosecutor General are staffed and functional in a successful model democratic society.Mwanawasa closed all cases against Katumbi over Chiluba and lost 98.5% hence spamming silent nolles and persuade FJT for an out of court compromise which wisely the accused refused because he realized that the accuser used emotions than legal facts to abuse him in the court of public opinion.

41. Goodmorning
    Why can’t NGOs in Zambia be able to criticise the government without being labelled “anarchists”. If everyone else can speak out, why should an NGO keep silent? It does not disqualify it’s non-governmental status by defying the injustice of the country it serves.
    Whatever happened to the concepts of “protest” and “demonstration” , which have always been a part of Democracy ever since? They only seems to exists in the scheduling of weak vs weak, strong vs strong, but how do the weak stand against the strong in a democratic state?

42. #3 Jesus did not come to destroy lives but to save lives.Luke 9:51-56 Jesus said bless those that persecute you and do not curse them Matthew 9 :44 – 47.kindly study the word of God dividing it rightly like the Bereans Acts 17:11.I don’t see anyone’s lives who was destroyed in the New Testament except in the case of money ,Ananais and Saphira,Acts 5:1-11 & the witch who became blind for a time because he opposed the Gospel but that led to him believing Acts 13:6-12.In the Old Testament that happened, but we are now living under the New Covenant where Jesus has fulfilled the Old Covenant in himself.I know many times as Christians we get so upset because someone touches a painful area in our personality and we are quick to call fire but we should follow the teachings of Jesus. Correct…

43. me if i am wrong. As for the Former President if he is innocent the Lord will surely show forth his righteousness and no one will be able to deny it.

44. And now the same mmd which took him to court is busy castigating people who are opposed to chiluba,and by the way this is not about Mmembe,its about every concerned citizen who feels agrieved,where is the objectiveness and or principles of you people if after castigating chiluba you turn back and say its costly to jail chiluba, some people should be jaile whilst some should be allowed to go free,come on,you can be serious,kafupi’s case dragged on coz he was constantly in SA for medical checkups,all over a suddent he has been miraculously cured to even stand on the podium and mock you people he stole from…i challenge you people against the civil organizations to come up with valid points or forever keep your peace,,,third term was stopped,,HONK HONK HONK

45. Smooth crminlnaL, i FOR ONE AM NOT BACKING mULONGOTI or Chiluba, or even the the Rev Goeobels Shikapwasha but i want Zambia as a nation to spend their energy on more productive things eg like honk over social rights in the constitution, or a more powerfull Auditor General not this situation where because of pre concieved notions that FTJ stole we will spenf our energies on asking for an appeal which in itself could take another coupole of years to conclude and will be very costly. Not to mention the effect it has on our reputation as a investment destination. I fully back the registration of the London Civil Judgement but even thst should be left the Judiciary.

46. THIS NGOs are fake we know ur objectives an ur Subjective point of view we know Some Donors wated to convict our former Head of State tht he should be used as an example to all africans head of State this Diplomats thnk tht we cnt bite the finger tht feed us after all those Money there give are full of conditions these are DEAD AID we zambians shud fight to ths emperialism an emulate leaders lik Fidel Americans hav tried to asassinate him abt 618 times an thru there evil policy agains humans of cuba and an ambassador come to pop in our issues.Lets nt be lik th post who pay salaries to thr workers thru mon from th west.

47. Shikapwasha you are liability to this country. One day you will reap what you are sowing. A country cant develop if its people are not free. Shame on you Shikapwasha. You failed at ZAF. FTJ fired you

48. Ig has a point. These IG’s require some crisis to get finding, if they say all is well, then they risk irrelevance and Chiluba’ case is a matter that fits well with donors and the perception they want to portray of Africans as irresponsible, kleptomanics incapable of governing them selves

49. ## 44 .
    Smoothcriminal ,

    Your confusion is out of failed ability to synthesize simple yet clear legal procedures.The failed Lusaka cases were all criminal while the Smith ones as dependent variable to the criminal ones was a civil case. When the criminal case which is independent variable fails, the dependendent civil case has no grounds for registration in our courts.Again, its would be abuse of the justice system to register it regardless of the barkings in the street.Justice is not delivered from the streets but judicial institutions in a successful democracy.The streets deliver anarchy and failure.

50. contd The motive that was used for this whole situation may have come out of contentions and i empathize with Former President Chiluba , anyhow if he is innocent God will bring it to light .

51. Mmembe is working under extreme pressure for the money he received in pledge to deliver FJT or plug Zed on the Rwanda option according to terms of their contract in the master piece document.Be assured that that was money wasted because it will have no dividend.Instead they must find a way of getting him for corning them that he could do the impossible.

52. Hahahahahaha #31 I have caught you. You are amongst the bunch of bloggers who are part of the biased media cult. So you do not know that all the cases that were the basis of Chiluba’s immunity removal were quashed by the DPP more than two years ago? Heed my simple advice; READ BEFORE YOU BLOG. Simple!

53. Senior citizen and alcapone!!! please do yoselves a favour,anytime start typing,please make sure you have facts,its dangerous to expose your ignorance like that, “Dual process of the Law” has got nothing with being abused at any level…dual process in law is the procedure for adjudicating Progress Claims,or adjudicating claims for debt or damages which are called Excontractual
    Claims.this has nothing to do with abusing the court.period

54. The past is irrelevant — except as a means to inform you of what you might want to avoid the next time around. If you gave up your rights — for convenience, unknowingly, or even under duress — then you’ve learned something. The trick now is to continue along the path of The patriot’s Journey, and make every experience an integral part of who you are.

55. Viva VUVUZELA come Friday muzachiona ba Lazo

56. This Diplomats poppin in our issues b4 there talk abt chiluba issues we are demandin for the commencement of cases against Tony Blair and Bush for th killing of innocent pipo in iraq jst lik thr ar doin to charles Taylor ths westerners are fak.Mmembe we know there ar u friends an th deal u hav sighned with them will soon come out.Hypocris from th Diplomats we need Bush and Blair be arrested b4 u pop in chilubas cases.

57. Shut up Shikapwasha!
    woza friday!!!!!!

58. The past is always there to guide us and to make us learn,Law is dependent on past precedence,its always there for reference…in other words we forget about all the misdeeds and soldier on,because you know that one day you will be up there and you will help yourself to public funds,as a precedence we will have to forgive you and soldier on,we had kashiwa bulya’s case,people protested,where is he today,,,the same people who tried to defend him are doing the same thing with kafupi,where are your morals

59. I APPEAL TO ALL ZAMBIAN CHRISTIANS TO WEAR WHITE THIS FRIDAY AT 5PM AND INTERCEDE IN PRAYERS AT THE SAME TIME. THE POST WILL CRASH. THIS IS SIMPLY HATRED FOR ONE MAN

60. # 57 True African there he goes wastin ur fuel and time for unproductive venture, By th way differciate Kashiwa and Chiluba,Chiluba theres a judgement kashiwa was a nolle,yeah ur write its nt everythn th post does we question bt on chiluba there hav done it to extreme i dnt know wht he has done to them,anyway jst be carefull its nt everyone who hate chiluba if u go too far we shall rise also bcoz its too much our former Head of State has nt been able to enjoy his retirement all bcoz of Ba post hypocrsy.We ready also ths time to defend our former president or else we ready ths time coz jufgement is thr to see in black an white for every person to see wht Ndola Magistrate Jones Chinyama ruled.

61. # 59 King Soloman yeah man this is pure Hatred lets organise also for prayers ths is my email address [email protected] we arrange also for sumthn if thr want a clash we are ready for them wat do ths pipo want thr protested tht he shud be taken to court th ruling has been passed wht hypocrsy is ths zambians u call justice whn its in ur favour.

62. INDEED WE ARE READY FOR ALL ID10T H0M02. THIS TIME WE WILL FIGHT FOR FTJ!! AS HE SAID WHEN THEY WE WILL TALK WHEN THE FIGHT WE WILL BECOME LIONS OF JUDAH

63. I personally dont hate him,i just hate the fact that he helped himself to poor people’s hard earned money,the judgement is there to see in black and white because the mmd government played its part thats why even diplomats questioned it,mulongoti has been quiet because he knows that he messed up big time through his reckless pronouncement.its only you mmd minions who are failing to see that this case is appealable,anyway if he’s clean,why not appeal to shame the devil

64. WHAT A HATRED SURE ZAMBIANS FOR SURE WE FORGET EASILY,I CONCQUER WITH OUR LATE LPM.

65. Every one who is in the nation is a politician , the leaders in govt do affect every one in the nation the only problem is that not every one can air their views, given chance to air their views you will be surprised how people are oppressed by those in power who take advantage of the silent majority,therefore every Zambian has a wright to complain about the evils committed by those in power

66. I have noted, with sadness, the way Lusakatimes has rapidly transformed into a Government propaganda machinerly. If you have followed recent articles, they are all on reactions of government official to issues concerning the nation. Take the issue of the 17 or 18 Civik society for example, LT did not report anything on the outcome of their meeting or resolution but is quick to publish Shikapwasha’s rebuttal. This is not an isolated case but is now the trend on LT.
    This is biased reporting BaLT. Give all sides of the issue, F U.

67. # 60 IG (Iwe Galu) i think thoz ar yo initials, u jst say things u do not even really understand do u even know what a nolle means Iwe Galu,research more and yo message are essays not for this media,try to shorten yo comments othrwyz u hve got ideas of wht u ar saying.

68. # 62 Smoothcriminal We also want justice thts why we supported tht he shud be removed his immunity an taken to th courts of law bt th courts hav passed a jury an we hav respected such decisions so lets forge ahead an nt question th judiciary an start talkin abt thns tht is goin to bring food on th table rather thn doin th same thns fo over 8 years now enriching ths officers an thr family in th name of investigations.

69. Iwe Woods cn u ask me wht a nolle prosqui is Hahaha i pity u anyway i dnt wnt to engage with u in any sort of argument i like my country an i lik pipo who cn contribute for th better meant of our country so lets jst contribute based on th above headline.

70. haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaha haaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa mwaice wandi IG, lets continue contributing to the above subject waumfwa iwe kamunyama,kembooo,kaili iwe , dreamer.

71. I do not understand why this government is going out of its way to protect the pygmy. All this at the expense of tarnishing its image in the eyes of the public and the international community. Why have they gone to the extent of undermining the Judiciary wing of government? I can see this problem dragging on for years simply because other stakeholders have been ignored and their views not considered.

72. KING SOLOMAN BIG UP MAN THS FOLLS TH POST THNK THERE OWN ZAMBIA WE GAVE THM RESPECT BCOZ JUDGEMENT WAS NT PASSED NOW ITS THRE TO SEE IN BLACK AN WHITE OK SO WERE ORGANISING VERY SOON U SHALL SE US,THS IS NT THIRD TERM THS ONE UR QUESTIONIN TH JUDICIARY OVER ITS JURY.

73. It appears there is no reconcilliation among Zambians. The stance taken by the various civil society organisations demanding the resignation of VEEP & DPP over the acquital of Chiluba is ill conceived. Firstly we had FTJ appearing in court on several charges and even after being acquitted we still cant respect the judgement. We have not been told how much GRZ and donors pumped in to prosecute FTJ and others. We need healing as a country. If not careful this planned hocking and will not solve our several problems we are facing as a country. Let us forget FTJ cases now that he has been cleared by the courts. The best civil society can do is advocate for stronger public institutions and reduce the Presidential powers and make some organs like ACC, DEC, AG office report to parliament. Rid TF

74. Ba woods Ba chikale emwe dnt tak us 4 a ride ok.

75. Big up man # Investiagator ths is constructive contributon for th better of our nation thn advocatin for unnecessary wht do u call justice whn it goes ur way when FJT is in mukobeko ke Bull Sh***t.

76. Most people who’re against NGOs in Zambia tend to have something against the source of funds for these groups. I wonder if they expect GRZ to employ all of us like in a communist set up.

77. There are many areas of concern which these town based NGO’s are supposed to be tackling. MMD is busy conducting issuance of NRC in areas where it is popular. NCC is still seating and yet to conclude business. The ECZ is said to be weak. Access to public media by the opposition is limited. Voter apaphy is the order of the day. Uncontrolled debt accummulation by GRZ. Unpaid terminal dues to retrenchees. We are supposed to be giving priority to various problems we facing. Look at South Africa, they sorted out whatever problems they had and are moving forward. Rwanda, Angola etc. This FTJ issue has the potential of generating into public disorder. Let us move on as a nation with or without FTJ. GRZ stance will not change and we know this . Let us be proactive on public issues not waiting…

78. What total nonsense is going on in my country? Who is this Shikapwasha fellow? Is this the guy who was in Tanzania and was involved in some court case, just like Kafupi? Kafupi should SHUT UP AND SHUT UP before we, the people, LOCK YOU UP, CONGOLESE PYGMY!! And you, Rupiah, are such a disgrace!

79. Ba woods an ur friends may be ur related to th officers who were investigating chiluba cases ,no lodgings Ba fikale mwalye sena ama allowances yesu in th name of fightin corruption naiwe ke mutembo so tht u and ur friend cn pump in mon in ur leaked company ZAMBIAN AIRWAYS chalepwa jst accept tht everythn tht goes up shud alway come down,ths is wht Fred and Mutembo cnt undrstand.

80. # 51 your claims are false and severly untrue. If you followed the FTJ issue from inception, then you will realize your claims of a conspiracy are but a figment of some fertile imagination.
    FTJ’s issues with Zamtrop where an accidental find and if samuel musonda had destroyed all the records FTJ would be a very free man. Nchito was defnding membe in the 2001 chiluba is a thief case. he called on Sam Musonda to testify for thr defence but his lawyer eric silwamba refused. He however had no objections for the denfence to examine Zanaco records. Nchito got a court order and accessed Zanaco records. It was from there that zamtrop was discovered. With this info the post started publishing and by 2002 calls for lifting of Chiluba’s immunity were intensifing. LPM due to public pressure gave…

81. Countrymen, how can we allow a group of incompetents sit in the comfort of our offices to call themselves a government and gang up against us to support a thief – a lisholi? Only thieves support fellow thieves – it”s Sondashi’s hippo and crocodile story. If you want to know how the hippo steals, ask the crocodile. Enough is enough. Something MUST be done about Kafupi’s crimes against Zambians.

82. boi IG wht do u do kanshi u hve alot of time on LT.tht u can even find time to insult pipo instead of contributing positive matters

83. THE POST HAS NOT BEEN REMINDING ITSELF AND THESE NGOS THAT WHEN SANGWA AND SIMEZA WHERE ASKING TO HAVE THIS CASE DETERMINED BY THE HIGHER COURT, THEY (“PROSECUTORS” THE POST AND OTHER BENEFICIARIES OF THIS CASE ) VEHEMENTLY REFUSED TO ENTERTAIN THIS IMPORTANT CALL BY THE LEARNED LAWYWERS, INSISTING THAT THIS CASE HAD NO CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES, AS IT WAS JUST AN ORDINARY “THEFT” CASE. SO WHAT HAS CHANGED NOW? HAVE THEY JUST REALISED THAT IT IS AFTER ALL IMPORTANT TO THEIR EGOS? THIS IS BUSHIT? ON ONE HAND THE POST SAY THESE NGOs ARE RIGHT AS THEY RENDERED CHILUBA IMMUNITY-LESS FOR PROSECUTION, BUT WHEN IT SUITS THEM THEY SAY ITS THIS SAME GOVERNMENT THAT INITIATED TAKING CHILUBA TO COURT. WHY SHOULD RB BE FORCED TO INSTRUCT COURTS TO ENSURE CHILUBA JAILED AT ALL COSTS?

84. 79 cont’d
    gave in. Remeber that LPM in the run to 2001 elections vehemntly denied to call FTJ a thief he claimed there was no evidence to suggest the same.
    When the post thru Nchito discovered Zamtrop. They started putting pressure on LPM to bring Chiluba to account. He challenged them for evidence and they produced Zamtrop records obtained from Zanaco. The account info showed some irregular transactions and it warranted an audit.
    The audit by grant thornton laid everything bare. It showed that millions of taxpayers dollars were abused by chungu and his master FTJ on some silly things like Champagne and Pyjamas.
    The british only came to fully know of FTJ’s scams when Kunda went to London and started Civil preoceedings against FTJ and co.
    So talks of conspiracies are pure…

85. # 80 MWAN’AMUSUTU Wht can u tell us, its u who is lishole i dnt kno if its shole who cares by th way sum languages u cn say all tht without following ths issues objectively bt lookin at it subjectively.This time we are jst goin to Mununga nt chienge Where is Waza Kaza, Japhet,levys relatives an himself.Lets play it will see.

86. but zoona Ronnie ulayisebanya kwena?what do the letters NGO stand for?It’s NON GOVERNMENTAL ORGANISATION,now how can such an org. form a political party?iyo kwena mudala iwe Shikapwasha as if you are not even a reverend!I bet your church is one of those many “tuntemba” churches that praise that  ka “wife-snatcher-size5shoed-toddlersuits-dwarf ” day-in and day-out.

87. Ba uze IG. Woods stinks

88. This minister is trying to distract attention from the issue. the issue here is the the fact that the government has hijacked the judiciary and has put the pygmy off the hook for his alleged crimes. For the minister to say that NGOs must form political parties is an attempt to reset the agenda. It also implies that NGOs do not have the right to involve themselves in national activities. The situation will be rectified if the government stops interfering in the judicial system and let the pygmy have his day in court!

89. LEKA TUBAUZE ABA BANTU,SIR AlCAPONE.

90. 82 CM the learned magistrate alarmingly decided to leave out some evidence tendered in by the prosecution for unclear reasons. When the magistrate found FTJ with a case to answer. He said the presence of private money in a govt account should be explained and the sources also disclosed
    In his defence FTJ never answered these questions. Also not he made an unsworn defence.
    So in finding him with a case to answer the magistrate wanted the above questions answered. FTJ never answered them in his defence. Yet FTJ ended up acqitted. Don’t you think this is reasonable enough ground for an appeal?

91. I cannot for the life of me understand how this man was ever appoint ZAMBIA AIRFORCE COMMANDER , 3 STAR GENERAL. this is no General.

92. Please answer me this question ;Who took chiluba to court ? Is it UPND , PF(pabwato) or NGO? To me it looks like the MMD is was not at all involved in taking chiluba to both Zambian and British court.If these people were involved then can a sensible person celebrate the aquital of the enemy?

93. #90 DIGGA. You wonder how this man ever became commander of ZAF? Simple all our presidents want the dullest persons to be incharge of GRZ departments. RB is not so sure of who is dull so he is clinging to old fellas like Chisuzi etc. because these chaps cannot risk to lose what ever they are earning in their sunset lives. ANY PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO COMPLAIN AND THEY DONT NEED TO JOIN POLITICS TO SO. IT LIKE YOUR SON COMPLAINS ABOUT SOMETING AND ALL YOU SAY IS THAT HE SHOULD JOIN PARENTHOOD. WHAT LABISH

94. A LOT OF MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT ON CHILUBA, NO POOR ZAMBIAN WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE WASTING MORE MONEY ON THIS CASE EXCEPT THOSE BENEFITING FROM IT. SUPPOSE AN APPEAL IS MADE AND THE CASE THERE IS ANOTHER ACQUITTAL, WOULD THIS “GROUP” STOP AT THAT? I DOUBT VERY MUCH, THEY HAVE ALREADY PRONOUNCED A GUILTY VERDICT ON THE STREETS. WHAT GUARANTEE IS THERE THAT THEY WILL NOW ACCEPT? AS SOMEONE HAS SAID ABOVE, JUSTICE IS NOT DELIVERED ON THE STREETS AND BACKYARDS, BUT IN COURTS. AND NOW THE POST HAS GONE EVEN TOO FAR TO START DECAMPAIGNING LAZ EXECUTIVE BECAUSE OF ITS OBJECTIVE STANCE. THIS IS CHILDISH TO SAY THE LEAST. LAZ IS NOT THERE TO CHAMPION WHAT SEEMS TO BE PERSONAL BATTLES. I URGE PEOLPLE TO INDEPENDENTLY THINK AND NOT BE INTELLECTUAL SLAVES OF ANY “MEDIA” OUTLET. LONG LIVE ZAMBIA!

95. Why is it that whatever the POST’s opinion is should be taken as Gospel truth. Nonsense, the POST-Mmembe, NGO’s are all benefiting from the donors. This is mordern slavery. Lifuka, Mulafulafu etc know where their heft salaries come from-Donors. So they will do everything to support them and cause unneccessary confusion. These Guys earn a lot through confusion, you must be careful fellow Zambians. The kind of wealth they have accummulated is too much. No wonder they can make all the noise. They can easily fly out and leave the poor cadres butchering each other. What money can do. Too bad

96. # 93 we need proper closure in this case so that lessons can be learnt. Ultimately this case should if possibke be determined by the supreme court. Without proper closure lessons wont be learnt.
    If the highest court in the land finds FTJ innocent, a lesson will be learnt by future presidents not to rush their predecssors to court without instituting thorough investigations.
    On the other hand if he’s found guilty, it will serve as a lesson to others like RBB that stealing while in public office is punishable.
    I agree it’s costing money but how many dollars wold we save if let say the conviction of FTJ serves as a detterent for RBB and others not to steal taxpayers money? Consider that in the civil case FTJ and co were found to have misapproriated $400m, which is their liabilty to Zed.

97. Chiluba has failed to put his house in order as can be seen from the behaviour of his children. Himself he has divorced so many times and worse still marrying someone’s wife. What a prophet! I challege Chiluba if he is truely a true man of God, let him die for the truth as as the saints. If he is a true man of God then he should not ask for his immunity and he should not be scared of any apeal against his judgemnt. Let the truth set him free and not RB.

98. #95MMD How I wish people can see it that way. But alas we have people who only think of monatary gain in what ever they do. From statements being made by people like Mulongoti one can easily say the VERDICT was DICTATED to poor Chinyama(only hope one day he will come out in the open). Why did Mabenga go to celebrate the acqutital in Mansa, was this right?

99. #92 Deja Vu . You are right. I had forgotten about Gen Chisuzi. He’s been in seat since 200 Dec 2001. I thought commanders served Max two 3 year terms. #94 loverman: The POST is yet to let us down and they, in most cases, correctly express the sentiment, feeling and opinion of what most of us are feeling with each issue each time.. So deal with it!

100. I really fail to Understand!..why bloggers named I.G. and Senior Citizens are so dull and blind to see wat the govtmnt is doin to prevent Kafupi from going through a thorough judicila process? Even a Twelve year boy can that kafupi has dribbled zambians through the courts now…I.G and Senior Citizen, note that this blogg has most learned Zambians,and we fully understand these issues which you are tryng to Manipulate.They are tryng to convince us the we the MMD is doing..I wish (SATA) and PFcan Join This Cause,the Heat will be heard.

101. Shikapwasha that big nose of yours has taken all your senses Go to hell man it’s time we Zambians said to all the nonsense you MMD are doing. Abashi!!! MMD Abashii!!! Shikapwasha with his big nose Abashiii! Nyama soya with all his RB tree Viva!!!! To the Zambian pipo . we should not be made to keep quite in the name of been a peaceful pipo No!!!! Twakana Luhanile Natukana Twakaka!

102. UYU SHIKAPWASHA BAKA MUTUMINA AKALUMBA MANJE MANJE LIKE UMUNANKWE TETE. TOO MUCH RUBBISH TALK

103. Shikapwasha please grow up man. Dont just yap every day. Can you also train your lips to close up ??? Awe kwena bwafya with these MMD-thieves.

104. #95 IF YOU HAVE READ THE LONDON “JUDGEMENT” YOU WILL CLEARLLY SEE THAT THE USD400M WAS AN ARBITRARY FIGURE. THINGS DO NOT SIMPLY ADD UP. EVEN THE PLAINTIFF WAS SHOCKED TO GET THAT FIGURE FROM A LONDON “JUDGE”, WHICH WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF THIS WORLD. EVEN THE AMOUNTS OF MONEY PURPOTED TO HAVE BEEN LOST THRU ARMS DEAL, MAIZE “SCAM” ETC COMBINED COULD NOT ADD UP TO THAT. ONE COULD CLEARLY SEE FROM THE “JUDGE’S” COMMENTS THAT THE CASE WAS A FOREGONE CONCLUSION, ESP THAT THE MONEY USED FOR “PROSECUTION” CAME FROM THE VERY GOVT. YES, SOME MONEY COULD HAVE BEEN MISUSED, BUT NOT TO THE EXTENT MENTIONED BY THAT “JUDGE”. HOW CAN A JUDGE INCREASE THE LIABILITY FROM A TOTAL CLAIM OF USD4M ++ TO ABT 59M, 40M … FOR EACH, EVEN PROSECUTORS GOT PERPLEXED. BOTTOM LINE; LESSONS HAVE ALREADY…

105. # 86 Sir alcaponyo ponyo wht is yo the problem mufana ichinyyo uku nunka, u er the 1 who stinks.ichilitole chikala ( IG(Iwe Galu) wobe

106. Mr. Shikapwasha, please stop insulting us on behalf of your master, chief government thief, Kafupi. Who says just because, by accident, who happen to be in the government now, your actins are right, and ours, wrong? You and the VP, DPP and AG must resign now. Enough is enough. Ha lu koni ku lumelela masholi ku busa sechaba, mina batu fa munzi fa!

107. # 99 Buteko me an my friends ar nt trying to convince anyone on ths bloggers bt am mearly expressing my opinion on ths issue thts all.

108. # 105 We cnt understand ur language ths is nt Western chikale iwe jst speak our language mwalebelala.

109. whistling for 10 minutes, can you imagine how dry the lips would be? Supply vaseline for lubrication of the lips and Still mineral water for cooling down peoples throats then we shall join in the whistling.

110. #104 Woods. You are a kaponya. Stop using substandard and uncivilized language. Seems your parents never raised you properly. Grow chicken mash

111. There is more than meets the eye to the Chiluba acquittal. Yes indeed only time will tell. However, let those authoring the obituary entitled “The Rise And Fall Of The MMD” begin to do so. Surely it would be quite a story. A lesson in Zambian politics. An eloquent restatement on how not to lead! Let it be subsequently published in 2012.

112. This man is really pathetic!! You mean every time you criticise the MMD you must form your own political party? What I*D*I*T*I*O*C thinking is this? What is even more amazing is how this B*U*F*FOO*N is tolerated and allowed to spewy this kind of no*nsense by the MMD. Could it be they are all just as d*ull?

113. This guy Shikapwasha is not fit to be a spindoctor. He should not mistake Zambia for a church where people are not allowed to question anything. This corrupt MMD government deserves to be kicked out in 2011.

114. This good-for-nothing fellow, Ronnie, Rupiah’s house nigger, reminds us of the communist days of UNIP, where comrades threatened the common man, east, west, north and south, totally ignoring the five ereas of human endeavor. Ron, the people of Kalabo, Lundazi, Mwense, Kasempa and Dundumwense need clean water. Get the money stolen by Kafupi and give every Zedian clean water and the entire country would change for the better. Kafupi is a shameless thief, fully supported by yourself and the Pharisees in the synagogues. Cry the Beloved Zed!!

115. #111, that’s a gfood idea. Put these shameless rats in the spotlight. Same on them. as for you, #112, surely, they’re all UNIPIANS – dull and dumb.

116. You must be a thief to support a thief, Ronnie and all the RB camp are shameless theifs who in government not to bring develoment but to make themselves rich.

     There is so much work to be done Iwe chi Ronnie instead of making headline in the papers about pet issues that will bring clean water, build new road, hosiptals, schools and creat jobs for a common Zedn. You have allowed Chiluba to be come the center of focus instead of building schools in kaputa, Mongu, Mwinilunga etc. Chi Ronnie you have been opening your chi mouth for a number of years now and your mouth has’nt built any hospital not even dug a well. Must be ashamed of your self.

117. any diseases that wud attack Ronnie and mulongoti..release them…we are fed up of them,!!

118. #91, I’m so angry today, I won’t be able to sleep tonight. Yes, these are the guys who make it to the top of the armed forces. What a disgrace! Has this guy ever fought a war? Where was he when Ian Smith was bombing us?

119. Just something to sober up some bloggers. This evening Sky News had a report on an impending bribery case (corruption if you like) against BAe Systems. BAe is a large British company and is among the largest 100 companies in the world. They are an important and large employer in Britain. In the news item Sky News reported that because of this the British government is likely to intervene Quote “..as they have done before…” Unquote. Those who follow world news will recall that last year the British government intervened to stop an investigation of the same company in a bribery case involving royalty in the government of Saudi Arabia because the Saudis were not happy with the potential embarrassment. That is the British government (and donors) for you, do you still want to honk tomorrow?

120. Ho yes i had forgotten that HONKING STARTS TOMORROW. Here we use bicycles , so I will honk the bell of my bicycle tomorrow. The sweds will be surprised at my bell-honking. ZAMBIANS BACK HOME PLEASE HONK THE LOUDEST. WE ARE WITH YOU.

121. The case was in court and the Judge ruled in favour of Chiluba and i think any person who respects democratic institutions must accept the verdict. But our NGOs depend on donations and so their songs are always in favour of donors. Look at SACCORD, it has had the same leader for the last ten years or more. Where is the transperancy they are preaching? Countless NGOs are now family business meant to amass wealth whilst pretending they saving Zambian masses. The judge did a right thing to act independently and decide in favour of Chiluba. To our cooperating partners why do they want Chiluba in jail? Is it because he is black?

122. #120 And you are not even here, coward!

123. Anu Shikapwasha tachite mano ban we. When will people grow up to realise that politics is beyond just being in a political party. We are all politicians at varying levels. Let the professional politicians like Shika and Mulongoti continue fooling themselves. They will soon learn that real power belongs eslewhere.

124. #119 you seriously have to sober up incase you are enjoying too much of your alcoholic drink corruption. You can’t throw stones when you have a glass house. Democracy and Freedom of speech will always be part of the Zambian society. Shikapwasha should be proud of Zambians who do not fight like other countries but Honk. They were not allowed to demonstrate against the appeal. However, our peaceful l, creative and loving Zambians are honking. Zambia is a great nation enjoy HONK DAY it tells anyone encouraging corruption what time it.is.

125. # 40, Senior Citizen. What is “dual process?” Instead of spending your time yapping about nothing, you should check your english.

126. #114. You are right. By the way, who in his right mind made this quack a general? If this is the caliber of generals we have in Zambia, God help us.

127. why didn’t you tell them to form a political party when they agitated for the removal of chiluba’s immunity in the first place. Is it because it suited you then.

128. GLASNOST,

     Are you sure you don’t know what “due process of the law ” is ?

129. No.126 don’t worry, the man was so dull that he could not even manage to fly outdated Russian MIG planes, he ended up flying transport planes. Chiluba made him general because he was a good boot liker. He is the only guy in the history of ZAF to have been promoted to General from a lower rank in the military circles.

130. For extremely obvious reasons am not concerned about Zambian Politics. No more than am concerned about waking up in a tub full of ice with a note on my body that says “ Call 911 we have your kidneys”!

131. The heart of the matter is the NGO Bill. This will choke the flow of funds to individuals in these NGOs and the cuts that diplomatic officials receive from the so called donations and grants. And they have the audacity to accuse others of corruption instead. Government should not take this matter lightly, cutting off anybody’s source of livelihood can and does induce violent reactions. These people will protect their turf at all costs, I mean AT ALL COSTS as we are about to see. Red brick and government, if ever we needed you this is the time.

132. These NGO’s are doing all this just to lobby for more funding from the outside world into their own pockets. Twmishiba… lets consentrate on serious issues of moving forard. Twanaka with the Chiluba issues. Don’t play doble standards (NGOs) to get more funding for yr selves ba KOLWE IMWE. We know that you are just putting your personal gains first before others. Honking and whistling for what UKUTALI NE MPANGA. bA PUSHI IMWE.

133. Co*U*P! C0*U*P! NOW!!

134. # Your red brick intimidation tactics will not work. Who are trying to scare? We are not scared of you and your MMD thugs.

135. #131. Your red brick intimidation tactics will not work. Who are trying to scare? We are not scared of you and your MMD thugs.

136. # 49 Senior fimofimo, stop blowing gas. What laws are you reading? Why lie so openly? Who told you that civil cases are dependent upon criminal case outcome? Criminal cases are against the state and you are tried as vs the people. Civil is anyone aggrieved can sue. An individual can compel you to stand in court regardless of the outcome from a criminal trial. In FTJ’s case, the criminal cases he had were tried by the state and in civil as entered in the London court, can be entered in any court regardless of the criminal findings. It is like you being acquitted for murder, someone from the family can sue you for wrongful death and subject you to trial civilly and ask for damages and if you lose there, you would pay according to the jury’s penalty. Civil cases you don’t go to jail, but…

137. I am afraid of the RED BRICK because nothing goes on there apart from having those failed grade 12 kids running around with no direction. only an imbecile would even refer people’s issues to that hopeless and Soviet Union idea building. If you think working for the PO is an intimidation program, you are a lunatic who does not know the work of intelligence but still wallowing in the Kaunda era of one party state democracy were the police and the OP guys ran the state thru State of Emergency. Gone are those days and if you think they will come back, please keep on dreaming.

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