Former President Frederick Chiluba today declared that he would hit back at any attacks on his person, character and the way he ran government between 1991 and 2001.
Dr Chiluba says he has for a long time ignored attacks aimed at discrediting him and his administration, mainly from the Movement for Multiparty Democracy (MMD), the party which he led from 1990 to 2002.
He said he was tired of tolerating indifferences that were diverting his attention from real issues, but were instead creating an impression that he destroyed the nation during his one decade regime.
Dr Chiluba was speaking today at his residence in Lusaka during a press briefing tailored to reactions by President Mwanawasa, Minister of Information Mike Mulongoti and Deputy Minister of Finance, Jonas Shakafuswa on issues he raised on November 25th, this year at the Lusaka International Airport when he returning from his routine medical review in South Africa.
On his arrival at the Lusaka International Airport on November 25, this year, Dr. Chiluba asked for confirmation from government on rumours that ministries and government departments have transferred their bank accounts from the Zambia National Commercial Bank, a parastatal to Finance Bank, which is a private bank.
Dr. Chiluba also asked government to explain rumours that it directed biggest parastal companies namely Tazama, ZESCO and Indeni to close their insurance policies at Zambia State Insurance Corporation and move to Professional Insurance, a private company.
He also said the New Deal administration of President Mwanawasa was merely reaping the fruits of the economic policies which he initiated.
Dr Chiluba told journalists that he would now begin to respond to issues raised against him in order to establish the truth and clarity, adding that his continued silence in the face of incessant attacks on his person has been misconstrued.
“So the days of keeping quiet are over and anyone pointing a finger at my administration or me should expect a quick response,†he said.
“I have tried hard since 2002 when President Mwanawasa came to office to be quiet and allow the new deal government which I considered my own to operate with little or no distractions but all such efforts have only yielded mistrustâ€, he said.
Dr. Chiluba quoted from the Bible in the book of John 8:32 and Hosea 4:6 saying, “You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free†and “My people perish for lack of knowledge†respectively.
The former president said it was now time to make ‘lively’ noise, quoting Proverbs 18:21, “It is Godly to speak wisely.â€
He denied having neglected first President, Kenneth Kaunda’s family after they left office in 1991.
And Dr. Chiluba said Zambia could have significantly recorded development in some areas if the K88.2 billion reported in the Auditor General’s report to the Parliamentary Public Accounts Committee (PAC) as having been misappropriated between 2002 and 2005 was spent on developmental projects.
A total of K12.7 trillion was reported to have been registered as irregularities during the same period.
The former president also said there was much more corruption under the current administration that before, despite the current government being said to be operating on the principles of zero tolerance to corruption.
On the mining sector, Dr. Chiluba said the Anglo America corporation was intending to come back to Zambia because of high copper prices obtaining on the market and not because of good policies by the Mwanawasa administration.
Dr. Chiluba observed that although his administration had weaknesses, it also scored some successes which Zambians must recognise and appreciate.
He said some of the projects that were being undertaken and completed by the new deal administration were initiated by his administration.
“Let us appreciate each other’s contribution to the development of our country. We should not blame our failures on other,†he said.
I didnt know that FTJ was keeping quite. If that was keeping quite then can some help me with the defination of speaking out.
Kafupi, You talk then more is coming your way. We have not forgotten what a rotten government you run. All these corruption and theft issues we see are the results of your bad seeds you planted. We see more corruption being written in papers bcose levy is more transparent..yakukosela mudala..
Okey,
Start hitting back:
(1)-You killed Major Wezi Kaunda using JK who you later cleared too before leaving office
(2)-You killed Richard Ng’enda by MRA in Kabwe, a few days later, you cleared pawn by Zani Muone Motel
(3)-You Killed Hanson Kamima on the Chipata road after ordering that he was the most dangerous and knowledgeable patriot aligned to KK. Overnight at Chipata Motel His GX LandCruiser had the front wheel Bolts unscrewed.
(4)-You strungle Edward Shamwana on orders in his office
Okey,
Start hitting back:
(1)-You killed Major Wezi Kaunda using JK who you later cleared too before leaving office
(2)-You killed Richard Ng’enda by MRA in Kabwe, a few days later, you cleared pawn by Zani Muone Motel
(3)-You Killed Hanson Kamima on the Chipata road after ordering that he was the most dangerous and knowledgeable patriot aligned to KK. Overnight at Chipata Motel His GX LandCruiser had the front wheel Bolts unscrewed.
(4)-You strangle Edward Shamwana on orders in his office
(5)-You strangled Election officer Pumulo in the Lyambayi Hotel room in Mongu for the implicating data he had at hand about the 2006 elections.
(6)-You ordered the end of Ronald Penza in a cold blood for the challenge he gave you when you ordered that ZCCM exports should be sold by your un published Belgium front company instead of the London based ZCCM holdings that did so from time in memorial.You cut ZCCM Holdings and your company started plundering our wealth.
(7)-You ended the life of a potential and firebrand Paul Tembo’s life in Cold blood using a Martin Kaoma whom you later sneaked out of the country and staged on some Zambian blog posting from the USA as “Bwana” at a fee to vainly undermine the New Deal.
(8)-You staged the Black mamba and Zero option to stifle the opposition among whom many you killed e.g Cutbert Ng’uni whom you buried his body half way during toucher.
(9)-Framed Dean Mung’omba and Nakatindi with treason for opposing 3rd term
4# Senior citizen do you really mean what you are saying or it is just the romours that many cadres have to discredit those they dont like.If you have such very important information can LT send your ID to the law inforcing agents as this is in the best interest of our police to bring Chiluba to justice. But I very much doubt your your accussation they maybe baseless and unfound. KK was also blamed for killings of his foes.Any death has a finger to point at.Stop criminal accusations its crime
Chiluba within 10 years you killed more Zambians in cold blood than the 27 years of UNIP in power. Since Mwanawasa took over, not even a termite has been killed or arrested on political grounds. No state of emergency, no stifling the media and no denial of retirement to the founding father of this country.KK stayed for 10 straight years without his dues, no accommodation, no medical care and no transport or support staff until Levy brought sanity to your cannibal mind.
Now start hitting back.
Go ahead! If anything, I been resourcefully helping the law enforcement in some greater ways ever since. Much on the plunders traced in Belgium and other parts i fed them and still do so.All is on the file, Should GRZ reach a compelling position needful of my testimony, they know my folder is read to tear criminals down. When you bump into criminals, you better work smart in Zed interest any time called upon.Some issues have not been tabled as yet due legal issues but they are on real heat.
Kwandangala (7),
Chiluba was & is “Petty Tyrant”. A Marauder that came with a vision to ruin our unity of purpose, heritage, sovereignty and nationalist spirit. He is a sadist that represent the evil side against hope and determinism. I wish he could see the next day of a better Zambia in progress. Anyone standing on Chiluba’s side is evil and belongs to the dark society of sadists. I hope you are not one of such subservients. Chiluba is disappointed with the practical democracy in action.
Senior citizen i fail to agree with you as well.Don’t make us to look like there ‘re no investgating agencies in zed.You can hurt ftj but it wont help you.KK had his own issues to deal with that people have ignored as people are pointing at levy today.Lets allow ftj to be proved by our courts and then we ‘ll know the truth.
Its normall for any human to respond when their are talked against as you would not take ftj for foolish.Senior lets be real seniors on the blog as as am not ftj supporter.
hey(11),
In comparison to any historic time, the prevalent environment in the country is uniquely conducive and allowing Chiluba to go through the due process of the law. No one is denying him justice. As regards proof, properties at ZK 65 Billion have been tracked and frozen while more are awaiting clearance of some international legal technicalities to be added to the collection account.As regards KK, the fact is that Chiluba did more documented evil and damage to homeland unless you’re new.
Remember the 6 months Scotland Yard detectives brought in at US $10 Million to screen KK over his 27 years rule? Report is there as evil as Chiluba is, he found nothing on the old man hence parading him 9 hours over his personal Library books. Failure of that resulted in cooking the treason trial.FYI, The New Deal just paid ZK 100 Billion to all victims of framing and toucher under Chiluba’s madness.KK like many victims has received his compensations. Mama Betty Kaunda just revealed their pain
Sneior is not wise, If has evidence of ftj as he has taken all the space he come out and stand to testify that he is sure it is ftj who killed all those people. Then life in Zambia will be better. So I challenge senior citizen do not be a coward come out with that informatoin. Thank you
Senior citizen is not wise, If he has proof that ftj killed all those people, I personally challenge you to come in the open and testify against ftj and then zanbia will move forward. I fail to understand people like senior citizen why theyare cowards and afraid to out if what they have is the truth. The fact that he is afraid to me means he has no base. Do not waste time on the blog. Help Zambia move forward. I hope senior citizen will learn to use this space properly. Thank you
Senior finger pointing will never ever bring development in any country.Wise people always ignore the past and work for the future.Do you know how much has been missappropriated between 2002 and 2005.Thats just a tip of an iceberg,just think of the time when levy will live office.You talk about history,kk,ftj there all recorded corruption and people been killed,but that has never stoped people from dying.Unless you talking about issues that are highly classfied.
Ladies and Gentlemen. Now we can evidently tell that Levy and Fred are two sides of the same coin. Let the truth be known. Levy has his own issues and so has Fred and let those entrusted with powers and authority to investigate, do their job, and do it well. One thing is sure, Levy and Fred can run but, they cannot hide. Posterity will judge. God is in control. Zambians have suffered enough in the hands of these plunderers who come in the name of truth, in suits and briefcases, with conmen ment
with conmen mentalities, promising bread and butter with good health. What have we seen in return, Leopards Hill and Chingwere Cemeteries filling up the quickest in their years of reign? You fake politicians, God has numbered your days for all the miseries you have caused. Repent truly, and give back what you have falsely claimed as yours. You are next in line for God’s vengeance. Too much innocent blood has been shed in Zambia. Not just the blood of the politicians mentioned but, the innocent Z
Too many innocent blood has been shed in Zambia. Not just the blood of the politicians mentioned but, the innocent Zambians who have died of preventable diseases and incidents. GOD IS WATCHING
Angry Zambian.
FTJ is right, Levy is not better than FTJ. The problems we have as Zambians is that we trust the current president too much. We did the same to FTJ until he left office. Please let us ask Levy to account for many problems Zambians are facing. I would appreciate if we had running water in Mansa or Choma than waste my time insulting Chiluba.
This little man has been given room to talk,lock him up where he should be.Am shocked that he can open his mouth instead of hanging his head in shame.Let us be,suffering isnt that what you wanted?
You are a Chiluba chauvinist cowardly sycophanting as “Anonymousâ€. Chiluba has wittingly said his record is worth the talk and that any retribulation is an act of denting him. No one has invoked his desire to enter the firing range that his words bring but his obsession for the front pages. Forgiveness comes with contrition not what your boss is doing. Do you know why the Mwanawasa administration had to compensate ZK 100 Billion to Chiluba victims?
I apprciate your view Witness but remember that it is Mwanawasa who told us how bad FTJ is. Have you asked yourself where Mutembo Ncito and his friends got the moneys to run Zambian Airways? If that is not corruption then what is it? How clean is Levy when Bulaya and now the DEC itself is corrupt? Witness help me think!
Senior Citizen, lets stick to facts and figures. You have listed a long list of nothing but rumours and not just runmours but unconfirmed rumours. lets stick to facts and figures my boy/girl. There are more suspecious deaths and deeds under KK but I will only stick to matter I can prove in a court of law. I would advise all of us posting here to the same. Not rumour mongering
Senior Citizen, it is not about protecting Chiluba. Remember that justice does not know offices or names. Chiluba was bad and so is Levy. These guys deserve to be in jail. But why should Levy parade Chiluba’s failures as the reason for the current sufferings? How much have we spent on the so called task-force to no avail. Why have we failed to put Chiluba behind bars in our own courts? Maybe we do not have courts in Zambia.
mydorophie (20),
Evidently it’s only you and a duplicate Anonymous that praised Chiluba whilst in power. Zambians are steadfast people. Look at KK, many years after leaving power we are still eulogizing his leadership not saying he never errored. Chiluba was and is a curse of a marauder that ever accessed our national power structures. He divided this country in tribal rivalry, pushed it into deprivation and raped it off its 275 national portfolios.
I am happy with the way Dr. Chiluba has come out. I know that over the last few years a lot have said a lot of negative things about him and his administration as if he did not do anything good for Zambia. Of course he had his own weaknesses. But only those who were there between 1980 and 1991 would know that the situation had worsened but Chiluba’s Govt provided improvement, roads changed, transport changed, food was all over. Yet to some of you you think he did not do anything. Lets be fair
#12 Senior Citizen. I may agree with you on FTJ but KK was even more evil than FTJ. KK turned Zambia into a concentration camp for 27 years. You are forgetting Elias Mutale hit by IFA, Kapwepwe, Musakanya turned inot cabage by torture. The lis goes on. You can point out all the evils FTJ brought on people , but KK very nature is evil. On this one atleast LPM is better although the corruption fight is questionable. Lets be candid when clasify our leaders.
Senior please try by all means to be senior.Do you understand law?Don’t rush to judge someone as we ‘re all waiting for the truth to come out.If ftj is a thief definately he has to be locked.Do you know why ftj is failing to accept all the allegation aganist him.Levy and many gvt officials ‘re part of the corruption as you have seen.Nixion,chitoba and many who ‘re hiding.Is chiluba who appointed them?If any thing,there the one who have been investigating him.Corruption?
Senior Citizen (26)
You have not answered my question and concerns. Are you saying that Levy is innocent? KK, FTJ and Levy are equally bad. Zambians should learn to hold their leaders accounatable. Reactions like yours will only ruin our nation. Please learn to think with your brains, currently you are thinking with your emotions!
mydorophie (20),
Justice cannot be instituted or administered without getting to the bottom of the vice. Chiluba is the marauder. I just told you that much of my fillers have been followed and Zambia has recorded success at 75%. I just submitted another list of plundered properties with title copies which TF should be opening up new files for authentication and eventual prosecution. Patriotism calls for you and me to present what we have known over the year.Chiluba is a marauder period.
wow! Senior citizen i guess you’re deluded and probably suffering from middle age crisis. Why do you want to muzzle FTJ, why does you Government react so sharply whenever FTJ opens his mouth. Theres something fishy that you dont want the masses to know. You’ve accussed FTJ of killing his friends/foes, but you’re forgeting that no President before LPM has lost as many close relations as he has( within short space of time). So dont start the accussation game because LPM might infact be dirtier.
Now that FTJ wants to open his mouth can the police please read him the” RIOT ACT” fast,and leave a pair of hand cuffs by his gate.
Senior Citizen,
I fully agree with your opinion on patriotism! But why are you selective? Why are you blinding yourself to the evils of the New Deal MMD? Mwanawasa might be taller and bigger than Chiluba but when it comes to corruption, they are both the same! Anyway, I have to go and attend to other issues. Thanks for your words
hey (29),
Do I understand law? What law? Do you yourself? FYI, I have 21 credit hours of constitutional and criminal law out of the college and I have just been admitted into a law prestigious school. Practicing law will be my retirement era actualization. What field of the law are you that we can engage at that legal?
chiluba..please explain how it is your kids were enjoying in uk (living and riding in style)some months after you became president!!..may i remind you that you were a lowly paid employee of atlas copco..and the last time i checked..the salary of a zambian president would not go far abroad!!!!…
senior Citizen (35),
You just forced me to return.
Whatever school gave you those 21 credits is questionable. You don’t sound like a law student but a Levy student. Probably your prestigious school is the Levy mwanawasa school of Law.
Senior it would be cheap for me to talk about my status on the blog.Greatness does not come by showing off.What you have mentioned is too too low for me.Lets talk about how we can help develop our mother zambia as we have only one zambia.Cool down my bro!
mala – msana wandalama(32),
Your friend have “tried” within their limits to debate and defend Chiluba with intellectual rigor. I have no doubt that your disability is beyond redemption and it would be immoral for me to expect or stretch you beyond that.
Please find your match you could waste your time with. I ‘m an empiricist too privy to shallow contributions. Thanks though for your desire to fit in the discourse herein.
Good day
hey,
You asked me if i understand law and i have sincerely answered you that despite my other disciplines,I’m well conversed in law and taking law as my retirement discipline. So what were you expecting to say to your # 29
All, What do you expect from Luapula thugs?
we used to have a Dr HK on this blogg, please come back, this Senior Citizen is losing it. Am happy Dr FTJ has finally decided to start defending himself. Fellow bloggers(incl. senior citizen} remember that Zambia is a democracy and among the bill of rights is the right to freedom of expression which FTJ is enjoying. Therefore, we should be happy that FTJ is finally talking and shouldnt encourage Senior citizens ‘vigilante’ mentality to take root in Zambia again.
Iwe ci Senior citizen, you are so ignorant. Stop fooling yourself, i dont know you and you me either. I just advised you not to muzzle FTJs mouth, but rather allow him to enjoy his rights because Zambia is a democracy and not to accuse him of all sorts of killings without proof. Whats wrong with those two pieces of advice. Stop day-dreaming, get some life. Expend your extra energy from your declining libido elsewhere. Dont annoy me, you are so disgusting.
#39 Iwe ci Senior citizen, you are so ignorant. Stop fooling yourself, i dont know you and you me either. I just advised you not to muzzle FTJs mouth, but rather allow him to enjoy his rights because Zambia is a democracy and not to accuse him of all sorts of killings without proof. Whats wrong with those two pieces of advice. Stop day-dreaming, get some life. Expend your extra energy from your declining libido elsewhere. Dont annoy me, you are so disgusting.
Its all rotten & its smelling. FTJ cannot be credited for having done anything GOOD for Zambia. Wait in Febraury is judgement over his frauds case. Aka Kamudala he forgets easily. Sometime this year when he opened his mouth wider he ended up having an heart attacker. Sure I will neverever sympathize with FTJ thank God the 21 Cabinet minister including Gen Tembo and Nawakwi who resigned from MMD stop the third term campaign the worst would have happened. You cannot blame LPM for wrongs Chitoba,..
ctd. committed. Every person is answerable to his own dealing. Time will charge LPM just like FTJ or LPM. Believe me LPM will leave a good legacy after his rein. I just hope the one who will take over will pick it from there. Brothers dont defend evil because by doing so you are casing the soil of Zambia. God forbids!!!
Why is Chiluba still free and not in a cage where he belongs? Too much of tax payers money has gone into task force and yet criminals till speak freely. That is why this country is so poor. If they knew that they were ging to fail to put this man behind bars why did they waste our money?
mala – msana wandalama (43)
I have found reaction to Senior Citizen very childish. Worst still your passion for Pikinini is repugnant and beyond reproach. Though you have proved empty in your defense for Pikinini, I implore decent minds here to find a cause of dedicating some time to your fate.
Senior Citizen,
Let’s voluntarily offer our scarce time to walk this young man called mala – msana wandalama (43) through our counsel. We are the elders and his parents here. Least we forget our African culture that your child’s friend is your own to care too. The loss of any Zambian is a national loss. msana wandalama’s zest is without social consciousness, principles or integrity to say the least but desire to write with a wagging tongue.
Jo 47,
You can only fail to put somebody behind bars for two reasons. Either your Taskforce and courts are completely incompitent or Chiluba is innocent. I leave it to your judgment!! Yes they created the TF to cover their own mess in the name of fighting corruption.
mydorophie ,
Intuitively, you are not only a challenged blogger, but as Senior Citizen (22) put it “a Chiluba chauvinist cowardly sycophanting as “mydorophieâ€. Chiluba has wittingly said his record is worth the talk and that any retribulation is an act of denting him. No one has invoked his desire to enter the firing range that his words bring but his obsession for friction in the front pages.
The day is comin #47 a case doesnt rot. FTJ is forgetting that he is still in court. Namulaba!!!
Senior Citizen.
Do you also have a file on what your BOSS did with Issa Galedou`s property?How Teka farm was electrified,how the 2001 elections where stollen from Mazoka?Do you have a file on the land LPM grabbed from UNZA?Do you have a file on the 150 vehicles MMD purchased using stollen public funds.How about the file on CHITOBA the disgraced thief.Don`t forget to include some notes on how MABENGE syphoned public funds.All we want to know is what you have on your SHUSHUSHU file.
The deceiver should just keep quiet. How many times is he going to deceive us? We’ve had enough of this liar. His administration was stinking dirt. Let him just be caged so that he can be talking from behind bars.
#48 Ba FACT, whats childish about me advicing Senior citizen to let FTJ express himself whenever he wants to. Am not FTJs fan, if anything i would like see him punished if found guilty by the courts of laws. Having said that, i would still want him to freely speak out on national issues. Now tell me me whats childish about that.
Dear Chapi (Sata’s Shushushu),
Lawyer wama lawyer was representing Issa Galedou and the lawyer-client relationship is like a Doctor-patient relationship. No individual can get into such relationship unless their is a client suit.Issa Galedou is very much accessible for your interest. On 2001 provide the evidence by register that Mazoka won and by which votes? UNZA land FACT has challenged you many times to produce titles to the property H.E has taken and developed. You don’t even know where.
Fact 51,
In the real world, we do not react but reason. You should have reasoned a bit. Even a preschool child knows that Levy is not the right person he claims. Perhaps you work for him. After all, you sound like him. You know what, Zambia is bigger than your emotions.
Dear Chapi (Sata’s Shushushu),
The duty of claim of those vehicles impinged on Chiluba. Since he is a member of your party PF, ask him to come and testify how he bought those vehicle and what authority he had to expend the money. It is a simple legal issues that will indeed open up many things for Chiluba. Talk to him if you want his personal line, i could furnish you with much easy. How is the Chitoba case linked to the President?
Dear Chapi (Sata’s Shushushu),
On the party Chairman Mabenga, i will not comment because there is a suit before the High Court he has filed against TIZ. The problem is that you too disconnected from public affairs though he have the fragrance for blogging at all costs.You are being a very useless PF Shushushu. With Hon. Mtonga gone and Sata facing a life time crisis, i fear for PF’s future. Hope it doesn’t end in a life time blogging party of mutants.
You take care for today
For sake of it, Senior citizen and FACTLESS what type of credentials do you have between youselves that have puffed you this much. As i said, you dont know me, therefore, it would be very foolish of you to continue throwing your weight all over the place like rabbid hyenas.
mydorophie (57),
Always cool and unflinching with social conscious, commitment to values, truth and principles. What i don’t know i ask or keep quite. Unfortunately, you started peddling assumptions which only confirm your deficiency.My belief is that “assumption is the lowest level of knowledge” a fact i regret you thus exhibited hereon.I hope you will make a serious introspection before returning to your blogging duties.In all i mean well. I wish you could mature into a responsibility citizen.
I wish you could mature into a responsible citizen.
SENIOR CITIZEN/FACT
Kindly avail us the CCTV tape from state house showing your BOSS with the bundles of cash he was recieving from FTJ through XAVIER CHUNGU in the build up to 2001 elections.Did you give your boss a hand at the time or where you simply a silent partner in such transactions?
“The problem is that you too disconnected from public affairs though with fragrance for blogging at all costs”.
“You are being a very useless PF Shushushu”.
“With Hon. Mtonga gone and Sata facing a life time crisis, i fear for PF’s future. Hope it doesn’t end in a life time blogging party of mutants”.
YOU’RE INCESANT
No wonder KUKU and JOSE have since stopped bloging, its because of imposters like FACTLESS and childish Senior citizen. They think they represent the total sum of knowledge amongst LT bloggers. Humble yourselves and you shall be exhalted, you exhalt yourselves, we shall humiliate even insult you if it gets to sholving. FTJ is a thief, however, Zambia is democratic, his right are enshrined untill hes put behind bars, period. Get that in your empty puffed heads.
FACT (61)
I am really humbled by your pride. At first, I thought you were a preschool kid but now I dont know where to place you. You accuse me of peddling assumptions and yet you make assumptions about those who disagree with you, how ironical? I do not need a university degree to know poverty and suffering. It pains me to see children dying while Levy spends millions on the one person Task-force of selective cases! You are in need of help.
#55 mala – msana wandalama u a at it again. You are in britain. Can you tell at any point that John Major, Tony Blair or Magret Thacher has opened his mouth so wide like your thugery wizard FTJ. What comes of his mouth is rotten and it stinks. Mind you the ask the chief justice why he ruled that LPM should continue ruling after the case was closed and found that MMD didnot win the election. LPM didnt pass any judgement of Mabenga but the courts let him go not the president.
Bye for now, i will answer you two senseless adults tommorow.
#68 I meant FACTLESS and Childish senior citizen, bye!
Chapi, you are disappointment no wonder your scrap metal firm is not taking you anywhere. Everytime you are talking of UNZA land and Teka farm. Your boss Sata has not even mentioned this, not even in parliament. Politics of hartrage doesnt help. You are wickned and you have not forsight. Remain in USA and continue cleaning the ash of that white gic.
mydorophie # 69
Refer to my post # 61
I hope you will make a serious introspection before returning to your blogging duties.In all i mean well. I wish you could mature into a responsible citizen we expect of you. Your stint in the Diaspora must produce value not the infantile assumptions you have resorted to.
Easy,
I can`t enter into a debate with someone whose basic challenge is the queens language.I can`t even tell whether you`re insulting or you mean something else.It makes me wonder the rationale used in issuing you a visa because you`re definately a misrepresentation of our nation wherever you are and that`s all I going to say.
what crisis is sata facing? Tell us senior citizen, maybe kafupi will take over pf. i like kafupi bcoz of the houses he sold for ten pin!
If Government is not supporting state owned campanys Who will? This issues raised by Chiluba though he has his own faults should not be ignored. Lets discuss this issue.
Wow,the Auditor Generals revelations of a misapropriation of $1.5 billion american dollars is being burried in your arguments. Actually losing the whole point. This proves the age old belief that if you want to hide anything from Africans, put it in writing. I will re iterate what FTJ is asking. Can Government Please Clarify the where the Money has gone, and what they intend to do about it?
Is this Misapropriation what they meant when they said NEW DEAL?
I wonder if its not possible to debate policy without politics, personality politics. Many people that claim degrees on this blog are clearly fooling no one. Takes time to get an education. The more they peddle concepts that dont exist in any field the more they expose themselves. Its a shame to have zambians in the USA showing such ignorance. Easy (#70) is right.
CAT GOT YOUR TONGUES?
AGAIN, WHERE IS THE $1.5 BILLION DOLLARS? DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY GOOD SCHOOLS AND HOW MANY HOSPITALS THAT CAN HELP DEVELOP.
IT SURELY TRUMPS EVERYTHING IN THE PAST.
WHERE’S MY MONEY?
Ba chintomfwa,
Ala Ba Shi Chilufya nichinyenyenye nomba. Amaule balenyenga free yamu campaign nayaba letelela akashishi. Tule suspector Ba MMD baliba sovele amaule. MMD knows ba boss’s weakness kumaule.
Aza #75 You are right, We seem not to be discussing the issue at hand. Should we overlook FTJ’s allegations on the Government just because he was a corrupt leader. Honestly is it normal for the Government to close their bank accounts with a state owned bank ZANACO in preference for Finance a Bank owned by a private individual. Remember Finance bank is a regular financial contributor at official MMD fundraising events.
Ala Ba Sata balenyafye everywhere:mu motoka, mutoloshi, muoffice nichinyenyenye. Ala muletu pepelakofye guys . MMD is ruthless.We potentially heading to another one party politics. MMD is increasingly becoming a Defacto party. We have no money even to organise the party. kindly send money kuli Ba Willie Nsanda, Mumbi or Guy Scot. PF is dying sooner than you know. Please help support Democracy at home. Effort to get GRZ funding parties is going on deaf ears. MMD is not interested.
BY CLOSING THE ACCOUNTS WHERE THE MISAPROPRIATIONS ARE THE NEW DEAL GOVERNMENT CAN CREATE ENOUGH CONFUSION OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS TO KEEP YOUR PETTY INDULGENCES IN BASELESSNESS OCUPIED FOR PERMANENTLY. CREATING THE BEST DECOY, AND THE GREAT ESCAPE. FINANCE BANK AND PROFESIONAL INSURANCE ARE AT THE CENTER OF THE SCHEME. BANKS AND INSURANCE COMPNIES ARE NOT CHARITIES FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. WAKE UP Y’ALL. THERE’S A HEIST IN PROGRESS, AND IT’S WORTH $1.5 BILLION DOLLARS.
WAKE UP!!!!!!
So far its been quite a ‘decent’ debate, someone just had to bring in foul language!!!
GET THE HANSARD FROM PARLIAMENT. EMANUEL HACHIPUKA WHO’S PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND IS ACCOUNTANCY HAS BEEN SINGING THIS SONG FOR SO LONG. HE ADVISED, THAT IT IS ILLEGAL!!!! AND WHAT HE STARTED SAYING IS ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBURG. $1.5 BILLION DOLLARS HAS BEEN MISAPROPRIATED. NOT MIS-ALLOCATED. IT HAS BEEN SYPHONED. AND THERE’S 4 YEARS TO BURY IT. AND FIND A LAMB TO SLAUGHTER FOR YOUR PLEASURE. MY GUESS IS THE LAMB PLANNED IS THE QUIET ONE. BECAUSE HE’S A BIG ENOUGH LAMB TO SATISFY YOUR APPETITES
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO ALL THE INFLUENTIAL INTELECTUALS?
YOUR INABILITY TO ACCEPT PROGRESS AND WEALTH, ASUMING THAT ANYBODY WHO IS ZAMBIAN AND IS WEALTHY IS A THIEF, SIMPLY IS BEYOND ME. THE REST OF THE WORLD USES THE INTERNET TO CREATE WEALTH AND EASE COMMUNICATION,AND TRANSMISSION IN ALL IT’S COMMERCIAL FORMS,HERE I SEE PETTY IN-FIGHTING. DIVIDE AND RULE. IT’S WORKING. WHY CANT WE BAND TOGETHER AND ALLOW MINDS TO MEET FOR DEVELOPMENT AND IDEA SHARING, TURNING INTO POSITIVE PRACTICAL OUTCOMES?
AND LETS START WITH TASKING THE GOVERNMENT WHILE IT IS CURRENT TO EXPLAIN THESE PARLIAMENTARY FINDINGS. AFTER ALL THEY WORK FOR THE PEOPLE, THEREFORE THEY ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO BOTH YOU AND ME. BUT HELL, ONE VOICE IS NOT LOUD ENOUGH.
WHERE IS THE MONEY? WHAT IS THE PLAN? WE WANT TO KNOW. WE HAVE ALLOWED POLITICIANS TO BELIEVE THEY ARE ABOVE THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE FOR TOO LONG. WHEN I CAST MY VOTE I AM SENDING THE CANDIDATE TO WORK, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. SO AGAIN WHERE IS THE MONEY? B$1.5
#84 Aza how can you progress when you have pipo like Chapi who always talk about taka farm and UNZa land. Check his posting all he doing is attacking LPM over unza land, 150 vihechles, Teka Farm. Instead of taking a leaf and learn what the Teka farm and spread it other areas in Zambia. Aza you right here pipo are just breaking and dividing because of being partisan.This will not bring us anywhere. Hey look I had stop bloggng together with Kuku becos this blog became more childish and impostering
was theme of the day. Oh yes we need ideas not insults. Visions and plans and strategies can move our country not kulatuka fwe mwebantu.
Chapi Iam not mispresented today I dont need to be at my farm to know what activities are place. I hope you have heard about video conference, Mobile phones, Mobile computers, PADs palm etc. Today you can be anywhere to do business. If you dont Zambia is progressing and very soon we shall match most reachable countries like Singapore. Hardwork is reqiured ..
Easy,
Check the first comment under the topic Zambia poised to save $150 MILLION… before you continue misleading bloggers.
BY THE WAY, IF YOU HAVE AN ACCOUNT WITH ZANACO, YOU HAD BETTER LOOK FOR A GOOD DEFENCE LAWYER, BECAUSE FROM THE PRECEDENCE THE NEW DEAL HAS SET, IN BLANKET PROSECUTIONS OF ALL ACCOUNT HOLDERS IN FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS THAT ARE USED IN THE SO CALLED “PLUNDER OF NATIONAL RESOURCES”, e.g ACCESS FINANCE AND ALL IT’S CLIENTS, THIS $1.5 BILLION MISAPROPRIATION, WILL BE AN ISSUE THAT EVERY MAN AND HIS DOG WILL BE ANSWERING FOR. PEOPLE, YOU HAVE ALL BEEN DRIBBLED BY CHUCHU. YOU’RE ALL LOOKING ELSEWHERE
WHY IS OUR COPPER TRADED ON THE LONDON METAL EXCHANGE? IF WE CAN LOSE $1.5 BILLION,THEN WE CAN SURELY DIRECT SOME FUNDING TOWARDS INCREASING THE VIABILITY OF LUSAKA STOCK EXCHANGE. CREATE A METALS DIVISION, AFTER ALL, THE REST OF THE WORLD’S EXCHANGES ARE ALL ON ELECTRONIC PLATFORMS. THIS WOULD INCREASE CAPACITY OF TRADES AND INCREASE REVENUES FROM TAXING BROKERS COMMISIONS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. ALSO INCREASING THE COUNTRY’S OVERALL BENEFIT OF METALS TRADES CURRENCY INFLOWS ELECTRONICALLY. ??
CONTENT PEOPLE,….. NOT CONTEXT.
AZA
You`ve raised very good points that`s worth some applause but be rest assured that you`ll soon be called FTJ/SATA supporter.
It`s unfortunate that on this blog,there`s no room for independents or the non aligned.
What bothers me is that what FTJ is accused of doing is exactly what LPM is doing but no one has the guts to call a spade by its name.Alot of public funds have been syphoned by the LPM led gov and no one has the courage to point this out.All we have to do is check AG`s report.
Ba SENIOR citizen, please take it easy. If we start agreeing most of what you are ACCUSING others is like listening to CNN or FOX channel. Very close to propaganda. Some issues raised are really dangerious and posoinous to younger generation. Is this the “democracy” or “freedom of speech” we learnt from Chiluba in the 90s.
Ba AZA, some of us are independent, I support most of your issues. But can’t comment much, Ba Senior Citizen disturb my focus. I will consider you in my government.
If Chiluba has been keepiong his diminutive mouth shut, then we’re in for real drama now that he says he is going to talk.Knowing Mwanawasa’s temper, Chiluba will sooner than later find himself in scorching soup, and deservedly so. It also says something about Levy, how can you keep a stinking thief outside for so long for him to even start growing “amasengo”?
It bothers me that Senior Citizen wants Chiluba to keep his mouth shut rather than respond to allegations brought against him. What is the logic in such kind of thinking? Why have you accorded him the chance to defend himself in court if you don’t want to listen to his reasoning? In the US they have Guantanamo where they keep those they don’t want to listen to or defend themselves. But is that the kind of democracy you want in Zambia? Let the man speak and exculpate or incriminate himself.
I will never sympathise with FTJ after all what he did to mother Zambia. During his reign the guy became a lunatic and so evil that all he did was to still, kill and destroy. You people supporting FTJ you got a short memory. I dont even know why its taking so long for him to be locked up. In some countries Kafupi would have been in jail now. The guy is a hypocrite whose insatiable appetite for power destroyed the country. I may agree with Senior citizen on Kafupi, but KK was equally evil.
Sorry second sentence should read ‘steal’.
Help us understand the whole picture. Give us the ausit report on this online news so we could make informed postings. Mr Editor, would you do that? We need to know the whole truth so that no-one politises the issue. Or ask the auditor general to do that for the sake of us who are not in the country at the moment. We need a full report.
“Give us the audit report…” That is the second sentence.
Shut up thief. What do you want say that you did not want say in court. We’re just wasting time on you in the name of democracy. You should be locked. What can you tell us about ZANACO when you auctioned everything. Talk about ZCCM, Zambia Airways, NAMBOARD, etc.
The whole world know FTJ is a thief.He cannot be compared to LPM who is busy puttin off fires FTJ started.Snr Citizen is spot on, I don’t care what others say.We are all scattered all over the world coz FTJ.What the friends of FTJ argueing about.Unless, they part-took in the loot.FTJ cleared more pipo in 10 yrs than KK in 30 yrs period.List is long let me not go there.And a certain party called “SATA-PF” is mouring about da NCC, oh by the way, its a person or no a party, whatvere …
Shi-Castro is talking coz the case is adjourned, the moment it comes to start , he will fall sick again and again … cheap thief.Even stealing the courts time.
The die is cast for 2011. I shudder to think what would have happened had 3rd term succeeded. But because of free speech and expression OASIS Furom turned the tide. So let FTJ speak. It will benefit us ordinary citizens because in the ensuing exchange of fire we are bound to learn a lot of stuff that has been swept under the carpet. This knowledge will help an ordinary voter like myself weigh the options rationally on election day in 2011. Let LPM & FTJ Slag it out. ITS GOOD FOR DEMOCRACY.
I dare Titus Kafupi to hit back
1.Chiluba in cohorts with Aero Zambia’s MD David Tokoph,Moses Katumbi,Katebe Katoto and Xavier Chungu.Got $20 million from gvt gave it to Katoto to purchase arms purpotadly fo Zambia, took the arms and exchanged them for diamonds with Savimbi which they sold through an israeli company fronted in Zambia by Amiran. They transported the arms to Angola using a charterd plane by aero Zambia via Ndola and Luapula airstrip.
ctd: LPM like all of us will also need this free speech when he leaves office to slag it out with his successor. It is a zambian thing!!!
well done FTJ, it is high time you spoke aloudwe know what you did well and where you messed up. let us not confuse the fact
They later fell out with David Tokoph after he swindled them out of some diamonds by claiming that they had been impounded in South Africa pending proof of a certificate of origin.They closed down Aero Zambia on flimsy grounds.The later stated using Roan Air after copting captain shardor Chatupa who a share holder and cheif executive.
Chiluba through Xavier Chungu using captain Shador Chatupa wanted to buy off Roan air covert it into an airline to called executive air registered in Belguim.They even stated using it as a presidential airccraft.What stopped them was opposition by the Nchito brothers who were also shareholder, they then tried to buy out the Nchito but Capatin Chatupa died about the same time. That was the Genesis WAR BETWEEN the Nchito brothers and Kafupi.
it seems FTJ is now feeling much better after our taxes have paid for his medication and treatment!!Why is it African politicians never learn from ex-leaders of the developed world?when you leave office, shut up and do charity work and leave day to day politics to the politicians.I look forward to reading about what FTJ has to say just as much as i look forward to the trouble that will come his way.Fwebena Zambia tatwaba nichisuma.
The more chiluba talks the better because it will set him free or not free. In my eyes, this Kafupi is the dirtiest , ugliest and big syncophant in our histoy of the presidency. LPM has his own faults but I rate him higher than Kafupi..Further miles away from KK. This ka-chap is a failure and a little succes we pulled was when he was still a scared humble poor Kateka. When he got umwela, he went on rampage and Zed lost it . LPM is cleaning the mess but we were neckhigh in a filthy sewarage pond.
What is all this Chilubaphobia that people have? What is whorn with FJT speaking? If he is attacked unfairly doesnt he have a right to defend himself? By the way, all of us here are aware FTJ does not take part in this forum so why are we directing comments to him?
King David, you might as well invite him to participate.
Chiluba has the right to defend himself, and attack LPM or KK, but he should be aware that, he commands very little sympathy from those not directly or indirectly related to him.Come 2011, The MMD will be in power again and this time, we shall have a leadership which may take to the next level..and Will see if FTJ will occupy the front table again.
HK
Let us have health debate among ourselves, you know fact and figures etc
#113 king David
That is the same ruse that Chiluba used to use when confronted with corruption charges,he would say that bring the evidence.
Dominic
Who likes or loves FTJ anyway? except thief-in-marriage Reggina.And who has attacked FTJ #111? This chap thinks now he can talk, talk what? Let him start by explaining to us where the money he sold companies is? I’m a victim of his privatisation? At LPM is busy fixing his mess.And LPM paid me my dues after ten yrs waiting for FTJ to transfer monies to bahamas, etc, etc.He is a THIEF period.
We all know what this little thief did. He was so scared that he thot by pushing for a third term, hes gonna sweep the dirt under the carpet. But alas the heavens intervened and he appointed who he thot he wud control. But anyway we all know what happened. I dont even know where the guy is getting courage from. Just apologise to the people of Zambia and return the loot you looted from the Zambian economy. I am saying this cos am a victim of Kafupi’s evilness.
what has FTJ got to say now that he couldn’t say years ago? I’m sure he is feeling better now and can stand in the dock and face trial.The dock is a good place to tell all the tall stories he has.I’m sure his hangers on are fueling him and making him think he is still a force in Zambian politics!He still has the opportunity to salvage his reputation by being totally non-partisan lending a hand and influence to worthy causes like poverty alleviation and girl child education.
Like LPM n’ KK I dont think FTJ is a saint all respects. He messed up in some areas while he did very well other areas. Similarly KK and LPM have their own pros and cons. Overall we must thank all of them for their immense contributions to this land and learn from their mistakes so we can continue doing better. Peddling personal hate as some senior citezen is doing on this site is unfortunate. If anything FTJ was very specific about the foundation he laid for this economy, which all zedians know
# 113 King David
No one fears FTJ. If only the chap can humble himself then some of us can like him. Look at level of arrogance after all what he did. Ask Capt Solo will give the list of the evils the thief did.
Citizen, that is what we need – evidence! without it I can come and say – last week I went to mars and had a coffee there. Or citizen lives in the sun. Will you just take it as true? We need proof, otherwise anyone will make up a string of stuff (rumours, conspiracies etc).
Problem is that truth pains. Those who want to claim credit out of other peoples’ sweat will not swallow this bitter pill. So far LPM has done well to continue with Chiluba’s economic programmes that bear fruit to the nation. FTJ was specific when he mentioned Lumwana, Kansanshi etc. He did not mention Luanshya mine which LPM wants to make us think constitutes mining industry alone. He avoided to accept truth that the two mines much sung about started with the prvious regime. MMD appreciate.
TO CITIZEN.
A REAL TRUE ZAMBIAN WILL TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT ISSUES.
LET US NOW TALK ABOUT $1.5BILLION MISSING AND THE AG IS ASKING PARLIMENT.WHERE IS IT NOW. DO NOT WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT PRESIDENT COMES IN AND THEN YOU START WITH YOUR CHEAP INSULTS ON PEOPLE.
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KEEP UP KING DAVID, AZA. PLIZE FORGIVE MY ALIEN
CITIZEN
#113 GLUCO, if no one fears FJT why does he prompt so much and make the MMD and Govt top brass run around like headless chickens calling press briefings etc. All this started when he congratulated PF for Nchanga.
#KING DAVID, #JOSH #AZA #WIBILIMA,# CHAPI
KEEP UP WITH GOOD CONTRIBUTIONS ON THIS SITE.THANK YOU, YOU MAKE ME PROUD TO BE ZAMBIAN,
PLIZE,PLIZE,PLIZE FORGIVE CITIZEN, HE IS NOT ZAMBIAN AND IS NOT AFRICAN.
#122 The Finance Min will answer the questions from the AG report.It does not mean $2.7 Billion has disappeared, NO.It means its not accounted for, hence, AG seeks answers, so the Fin Min has collect evidence to answer such issues.It takes time, remember the Govt has unbudgeted expnses like lawsuits, emergencies, etc.That they tend to attend to regardless of budgeted monies.So we cannot help here, only Magande will definately address the AG report.
mwe bantu njebeni ichishinka pali ba sata, he is too quite since after the nchanga by election.He has not even said a thing since a PF MP passed away.
Let him first respond to Judge Peter Smith even through Video Conference. Why was he afraid to say it out? That guy is from DRC. Look at the colour of his skin; breached like congolese musician men.
When Nawakwi,Dipak and M`membe brought about the issue of the Zamtrop account as a way through which FTJ syphoned public funds,the general conclussion was that these guys were crazy but time has vindicated them.
We might be duped in thinking that the $2.7 billion that`s unaccounted for is just something to do with reconciliation of figures but I wouldn`t simply buy such a lame excuse.Let FTJ speak out so that we know how `clean`the NEW DEAL gov has been.Honest people aren`t supposed to scared.
BA GLUCO KEEP IT REAL. DONT YOU KNOW JUDGE PETER SMITH IS IN TROUBLE WITH HIS GOVERNMENT FOR TRYING TO SET A PRECEDENCE THAT THEY ARE AT LEAST CLEVER ENOUGH TO FORSEE. THE REGISTRATION OF THAT JUDGEMENT IN AS FAR AS THE UK IS CONCERNED HAS FAR REACHING CONSEQUENCES THAN PROVING THEFT. IF IT HAPPENS I WILL SUE GORDON BROWN FOR GOING TO IRAQ FROM ZAMBIA IN A CIVIL SUIT, CITING THAT IT HAS AFFECTED ME IN A WAY I STILL HAVE TIME TO DREAM UP, AND HE WILL HAVE TO ATTEND COURT IN ZAMBIA. GO FIGURE!
#127 GLUCO,
FTJ through his lawyers expliained that as far as we are concerned Zambia is a soverign state and not part of the UK. Even Smith acknoledged that the jurisdiction of the UK courts is limited to UK and Wales (read the procedings and judgement in full – I have a copy somewhere and can email you). The crimes where technically commited in Zambia (at zanaco London), so there is no way any Zambian who commits a crime is Zambia should be subject to a foriegn court. We are not a UK colony
EVERY MAN AND HIS DOG WILL HAVE FREE REIGN OF CIVIL COURT ACTION AGAINST THE UK FROM ZAMBIA. THEY WILL LOSE THEIR JUDICIAL SOVEIREIGNTY. ALL JUDGEMENTS PASSED IN ZAMBIA WILL BE LEGALLY ENFORCIBLE IN UK. DO YOU SEE THE UK ACCEPTING SUCH A SITUATION? BORNE OUT OF THE ANGER THE JUDGE FELT WHEN HIS COLONIAL HANDS REFUSED TO ATTEND TO HIS ALMIGHTY CALL. IF YOU THINK WE ARE VIEWED AS EQUALS THEN YOU HAVE A LOT TO EXPERIENCE. MY PEOPLE, WE ARE STILL FIGHTING FOR OUR INDEPENDENCE. JUDICIALY& ECONOMICALY
# GLUCO I start here by defining what Capt Solo said about SAP. It stands for Stupid Adjusted Principles who parent is Kafupi. So this guy is an ***** when his laywers have no money they tell him to shut and he pays them. FTJ is one of the worst leaders that Africa had ever have. Thank God Lucy Shichone who was civil activitist exposed this lunatic. Zambians you forget so quickly. You want to ask for evidence when everything clear like water in a glass. If FTJ was a good leader you think Pipo ..
His Excellency Chilufya Sata is very well. Post Newspaper have stopped covering him after the Nchanga election. He has since the by election addressed three press conferences relating to the NCC act. He recently visited us members here in RSA on his way to Mauritus. As for Muwelewele, His Prostate cancer has recurred and has gone to see a reknowned surgeon in Germany. Watch this space
#125 Miyoba,you are not thinking very well,stop exposing your stupidity and idiocity to the masses,LPM just like Chiluba are one and the Same,if anything LPM’s Presidency is a product of Chilubas corruption,and what has SATA got to do with this topic?your debate is not rational…
ctd would have distanced themselves from him. The boy is the worst kind of human who uses the bible as tool to win sympath. He can even quote from the bible. Anyway but elements live longer. FTJ caused this comotion we are in today. Our health sector is in disary because of his policies. Pipo have died in numbers because of lack of medicine. There is just a lot that can be associated with this bus conductor. Everything is just evil. The boy should seek forgiveness and mercy from God.
KING DAVID YOU ARE ON THE MONEY. KEEP IT UP. IT SADDENS ME THAT SO MANY OF OUR FOLKS WANT TO REMAIN IN THE DARK. WHAT WE ALL NEED TO DO IS LEARN FROM CHINA AND JAPAN. THEY ARE ACHIEVING TRUE INDEPENDENCE. WHY?
HOW? WHAT MAKES OTHER NATIONS MORE ABLE THAN OTHERS? WHATS IN THEIR PSYCHE THAT’S LACKING IN OURS? THESE ARE QUESTIONS WHOSE SOLUTIONS CAN DRIVE US ALL FORWARD. WE ENGROSS OURSELVES IN BICKERING AND PULLING EACH OTHER DOWN. GET OVER IT PEOPLE AND MOVE ON!
LETS STRATEGISE HOW TO GAIN.
#132 Easy,
there is no substance in that posting, the SAP is a nice joke, but thats it. what have you said, ah ok you have exercised you freedom of speech and called FTJ an *****. what else?
IN WALL STREET TERMS I WOULD BUY AND HOLD CALLS ON NONE OF YOU MOVE FORWARD. AND PUTS ON YOU GET THE BIG PICTURE. WAKE UP FOLKS. THE STRATEGY TO KEEP YOU POOR AND FOCUSSED ON YESTERDAYS LOSSES TODAY, SEEMS TO BE WORKING. WHICH ONE OF YOU BLOGGERS CAN WE DEPEND ON TO RISE OUT OF THE ASHES OF THE PAST AND TAKE THE POLITICAL REIGNS TO DRIVE US INTO THE FUTURE, WITH CLEAR CUT FORWARD THINKING GLOBALY CHALLENGING POLICIES. WHO IS EXPOSED TO PATRIOTISM THAT IS NOT SELF INDULGENT? WHO WILL WE SUPPORT?
Ba AZA, first of all, stop SHOUTING… second, bring your language abit down = simplier. Showing off with your BOMBASTIC words will not encourage people to follow your good thoughts. Bu intellectual-phd-language is a thing of the past. The KK’s enjoyed it when they used to wear Chitenjes over their suits. Nowadays they wear jeans and T-shirts. Simplified living and culture = healthy mind, and success. I am just advicing you before tabalamipata abantu…
This is sure interesting. Like I said we shall learn a lot from the match between FTJ& LPM. All that has been swept down the carpet will come out. A bit like Ryan Chitoba VS Nixon Banda. IT IS HEALTHY FOR DEMOCRACY AND TRANSPARENCY. AZA#131 THAT IS AN EYE OPENING CONTRIBUTION I DID NOT KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS OF REGISTERING JUDGE SMITH’S JUDGEMENT IN LSK. ONE THING FOR SURE WE ARE NOT REGARDED AS EQUALS. RACISM IS FAR FROM OVER & THOSE IMPLPLICATIONS WILL NOT AMUSE THE UK GOVT.
I would like to hear about FTJ as a former leader of this country with out a few individuals getting dizzy and scared about this small man who has absolutely no intention to come back to power. The govt should just continue ruling. Any comments from FTJ should be taken as coming from a zambian national. When KK comments on national issues whether for or against govt, they are not so waked up, but each time FTJ does govt is so waked up that the entire machinery sort of attends to FTJ comments.
#137 King David, you see you dont understand this joke because it a serious one. Do you know what Stupid adjustment principles did to the country. Zambia airways is no more, NAMBOARD died mysteriously. You bought house at 10 pin hence devalution of the money as medium of exchange. Mungomba enriched himself thru SAP, ZCCM is no more. Meridien Bank left most citizens bankrupt. So just to mention a few I hope you have funny with this joke.#140 intersting without results I hope you can eat democracy
Come Febraury 2008 we are going to CAN & FTJs heart attack will come back.Hahaha the conmen he have no house and Mr.Mwanza will woke up& take Regina. Also Fredrick Chiluba will claim his certificates this Kafupi boy used to obtain his first job. FTJ we already retained it and it will be turned into a prison to confine FTJ, CHUNGU; Stella, Kabwe and Katele Katoto
Ba senior citizen u have data but u are exaggerating your data.Let chiluba speak and we may learn one or two things from him or ideed implicate him.
Easy # To be honest I have no regrets that bottomless pits like Namboard & QZ are no more. They were a drain on taxpayers. QZ flights were full of employees/dependants. Cooperatives was a conduit for channelling funds to one party supporters who did’nt even pay back loans.Fmr Managers in QZ & Namboard parastatals incurred huge losses but retain positions for towing the party line. They let KK down.NOT ANY MORE.TODAY MGRS HAVE TO SWEAT FOR THEIR PAY. Taxpayers are still burdened by lossmaking
Chiluba may have done the worst for Zambia but he still has the right and obligation to challenge Levy and his cronies if they are plundering our resources.
It is myopic and senseless to state that since Chiluba was a thief, he is not supposed to complain when others steal.
Mwanawasa’s dealings with his cronies will make Chiluba popular again. Remember, Chiluba is an opportunist and he will jump at any opportunity to get an audience.
Mwanawasa should control his govt to shame Chiluba
# 144 HQ where is Lucy? Dont defend this bastard. Where was he all these years he should have handover everything to the current head of state. Do you know that it took Nyerere to come and release KK after this imbicile arrested in on Xmas Day in 1997. Do remember what happened to those thugs who killed Panji Kaunda you have forgotten? Dont blame Senior citizen for bringing you viable information. Where is Paul Tembo? Compare these happening to the current GRZ. Oh yes we almost had a dictator
ctd.. parastals. Someone tell me when Zesco, Zamtel or Zampost posted a profit. Zamtel had a head start in mobile phones service provision but they are at the bottom today. Even those yearning for a national carrier think of other sources of capital, spare the taxpayer from slogan chanting mgrs that thrive on patronage not performance.
Wibilima (139),
Just to correct you my dear brother, there is no element of a PHD intelligesia in these chaps “AZA/Theoretician” whatsoever but unbridled myopia and disconnection. Read between their contributions. They are hollow and exposed a worse off split personality. I challenge you to do your thing again and get back to me.
AMAZING, HOW YOU GO ON ABOUT DEFUNCT COMPANIES, SUCH AS NAMBOARD, AND ZAMBIA AIRWAYS. WHO HAS GOT THEIR LAST THREE YEARS OF ACCOUNTS, WERE THEY MAKING MONEY? WERE THEY AN ASSET TO THE NATION ECONOMICALLY OR WERE THEY LIABILITIES? IF YOU’RE SO HOT ABOUT THESE COMPANIES, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO RE ADJUST THEIR BUSINESS PLANS TO SUIT TODAY’S CLIMATE AND WE WILL EVALUATE THE PLANS AND HELP YOU SOURCE FUNDING TO RE VAMP THEM. I ONLY HOPE YOU’RE SURE ABOUT THE CONTRIBUTION YOU CONTRIVE THEY WILL BRING.
#149 We are not talking personlities here. TALK ISSUES PLEASE
#150 Aza I dont follow failed leaders. Intelligent ones build on where the other left. Sala Ndalama who is a servant to TB in Britain can agree with me. TB profited due to the policies of MT. Today GB is trying hard to destruct everything TB built hence he has been reduce to a carton Mr.BEAN. You can imagine if pipo start likening you such a carton what it means. Failure and Failure. So is Ka FTJM from Congo even the skin can tell. The birth certificate say so.
No for the wise ones boys this is what happens to a firm. in case things are not well. You have to reform, innovate, invest and upgrade, Strategical planing is required and this must be proactive not active. Ati we shall build a bridge when pipo start drawn in a river no pliz do it before a worst case happens. Ka Chiluba was doing the opposite Iam sorry to mention this thats why today he is trouble.
#142, look at the QZ report IMF, World Bank, GRZ and IATA did. You’ll understand the obligations QZ as an IATA member had to other members. QZ external debt had soured, running costs were high, you will be surprised to learn Douglas Corp. had not been paid a cent for DC10, interest was mounting QZ and GRZ had no money. QZ had a few assest that foriegn creditors could get. KK govt decided to create National Airports and xfer the QZ assest to NAC and liqidate QZ. FTJ govt found that in place
#145 Theoretician
First of all we should admit that SAP was not done in good faith. If Zambia Airways was only carrying relatives and employees, you mean no one could stop that just like Chitoba and his family tree at DEC. If it you, you could have just privatised DEC to foreigners.
GLUCO#155 King David#154 has ably answered your question. My point however, is to hammer these guys who want to hide behind KK for the misuse of taxpayers money and assets whilst they pursued a life of comfort and the companies they worked creeked uder the burden of heavy losses. When the axe came down they turn to KK & use him as a sacrificial icon that FTJ wanted to wipe off. KK intentions may have been good but these Kandiles are still there today pressing for another Namboard and QZ to abuse
#150, people shock we! Maybe they did not see the govt gazzettes and budgets of the 80s + 90s or even look at the GRZ budgets and finances of the parastatal companies (I was almost writing parasite). Before ZCCM was absorbing the losses of the parastatals. Then copeer prices started dropping and prod costing rising ZCCM now had its own losses to cater for. Then grz was borrowing heavily to sustain it. WB and IMF came up with SAP to stop grz spending more than earning. Read the 1990 MMd manisto
ctd.. The are no free things in this world. Even a good thing such as subsidy on fertiliser is borne by the taxpayer. So when ghost farmers dont pay payback loans you burden the taxpayer even more for he has to support this army unproductive ghost farmers. It is easy and shall I say childish to ask why the “good old days” were so good.; because it is just an illusion like the money illusion in inflationary economics.
#158, from 1964 – 1979 Zambia was producing grade A copper that was highly priced and prod cost low, had no ext debt, population
QZ owed $20M, It had assets in the stimate of over $100M. There is no other reason you will put forward that will justify the liquidation of QZ other than political/selfish reasons or the people charged with the task where icredibly stupid. Flying relatives is NOT a reason i expect from a smart guy like EASY to justify the misfortune. FTJ’s economic policies had some merits but over all it was a disaster. The man was determined to come out of Plot 1 rich. Every policy evolved arround that.
Good luck day dreamers of a national airline. Talk to Nchito and Prof Clive Chriwa. These two have some money and experience for that sort of venture.Just dont bring in the taxpayers money as seed or operating capital. The 37.5% income tax hurts and the 17.5% VAT is salt to injury.Finally the erratically supplied fuel at a price of 7 pin per litre is an insult on top of all the pain.ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION. signed off
Theo There is absolutely no justification for a national airline at this point. But that does not justify FTJ’s irresponsible decisions of liquidating QZ. There are a lot of options that should have been put in place. Look at KLM. Privatization is not a bad thing when done in good faith. But when crooks are in charge it can be disastrous.
#162 Socrates you have talked sense. Theorerician is a day dreamer and doesnt understand how economics work. These are same pipo who will one day sell the land if given the chance to be in power. How idol can one be on this blog not to understand realities of life. Facts are there to see, FTJ was a thief starting from his bus conductor career where he used to steal from his master to do correspondence studies. As though this was not enough he stall a certificate of Mr. Fred to get a job.
GLUCO tell these fimo mofimo that KK cannot be compared to FTJ. The have different legacy. If QZ was runing at a los who supposed to act. Do you remember what Miyanda said when the Zambia Airways was liquidated. Dont just wafo the money was TV saying the president has made this direction. Was not Chiluba who was president at that time or should we point at Chakomboka. Bloggers dont close eyes to evil things wont heal.
Easy #164
We’ll keep on singing. Evil is evil. KK left a good legacy. FTJ, blundered in many ways even to an extent of dividing the nation into tribal groups as a result to much hatred. LPM is trying to instil the One Zambia One Nation we once cherished. Socrates has a good brain. Theoretician, I’ve liked thinking in #156 & 158.
CITIZEN, you are well informed about the Chiluba/David Tokoph issue because you were the latter’s trustee.You are the one who exposed him to FTJ and you have since fled the country to the USA in fear of being hounded out by Tokoph.
YOU HAVE ALL LOST THE PLOT AGAIN. I CAN’T SEE ANY IDEAS WITH REGARDS TO NEW DIRECTION. WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH ALL THIS?
chichi has freedom of expresion so let him speak.let him expose what the current govt is doing.why should we refuse to hear what is happening.all chichi haters should first reason with themselves before criticising him,this man is aware of a lot of things that is hapening in govt and he needs to expose it to us.
#165 I think you were not there during KK’s time. What do you mean when you say KK left a good legacy. For your own information in 1991 when KK was living he left state house with humilation. Most of the things that you are attributing to Chiluba were also attributed to KK. Just wait once LPM is out things will change. It seems Zambians forget too easily. Was it good legacy when Vigilante’s were more powerful than any educated person. Women were forced to sleep with them for a tablet of soap
#168 jay, why ftj not you exposing these atrocities.
Good news good news a NO Pollution car has been spotted in Chingola with King Cobra on the wheel. Amazing!!!!!
Are we going to form another Task force to investigate LPM`s gov or just let FTJ spill the beans so that all those loop holes can be sealed and save the nation alot of funds.
Chapi,
Many are the times I have sent you useful fillers for a definate introspection in your thoughtless blogging. Evidently you are a dangerously disconnected kid too blank on all fronts of your tow. Young man, when the elders tell say Chiluba is evil, they are talking from experience than you know him. Maybe you need to see through the evil side of Chiluba,
Some of us in the darkest hour walked through the harms way and served Zambia from seeing a live televised summary execution of Chiluba, Chungu, Sampa, Mwila, Nobby Simbeye, Machungwa, late Penza and Stella Chibanda at 11:00AM per the Solo group schedule. Some of you took radio orders that day and were counting minutes under your beds to see the worst. When independence Ave was empty, we walked to Lusaka west and mobilized the crash.
Your simbeye ran away, your uncle chungu was hiding in kalingalinga by his sister’s servant Quarter. Do you know why they wanted to execute your uncle and his stoogies? They kept stealing all salaries from the UN peace missions. The Army turned into their front to sustain their personal arm smuggling business to Savimbi. 9 mig fighters were sold out.
After all that, he still wanted to assasinate some of our brothers.
Try to take your Chiluba sycophancy off on the ground or on visual media stations. I beat you if you will ever revert to your Junk yard parts Business.He goes on to point the Buying of a House for Kaweche in SA, panji a VX without hinting on the giving of US $ 500,000 to Buchizya the Malawian born Reuter reporter based in SA he was using to co opt KK into retirement.Panji and Kaweche had no influence on KK’s political career. They told him off .In frustration, he took away Major Kaunda off.
Mwaiche Fact
What has Chiluba`s evil got to do with spilling the beans on LPM`s gov?
Learn to seperate issues.FTJ needs to pay for his evil deeds but that doesn`t stop us from finding out LPM`s shortcomings.
We hoped to spare him on that scandal, but since out of his sick head he thought he could damage the Kaundas, I implore TF to pick it up from his on submitted testimony.No patriotic Zambian could sing for Chiluba. If anything, Chiluba deserves the Solo 11:00AM option. We blundered to have him spared in national interest.
Mwaiche Fact
If there`s nothing to hide then why are you so scared?
I can see that chiluba has now adapted well to the new drug on the market (atripla) that is the three in one tablet taken at bed time? umwela wafuma kwisa apapena? FTJ should count his blessings as zambia has one of the weakest and porous laws.we all know that chiluba and his crew are supposed to be rotting at mukobeko prison. anyway the lord has his own way of dealing with plunderers..! that is why I am always thankful to laws of karma?
Mwaiche Chapi,
I have always wondered how Sata picked you up to be his Shushushu. Your comprehension and analysis abilities are too low to say the least. May be this explains why you had to be trained on Sata’s back yard by a clueless Captain Selemani Mphengula (Rtd). UNIP use to send its cadres all over the world and it has credible people. Sata could have tapped from instead of you.Tendency of patronage to useless cadres like you is a big liability for struggling parties. With Mtonga gone,
Mwaiche Chapi,
In your confusion and blind sycophancy, what is the New Deal hiding that you are ready to file before the court as exhibits??????
Compile those and bring them up.You seriously need to find something useful in life than burning out on absolute hopeless causes.
If you think you are worth the ability to de-realign any political structure on the ground, Prepare for the MMD fraternity in the frontier for 2011. Soon some of us will be on the ground among voters and in live media discussion platforms building the new Plot one candidate the convention will pick while you are busy waffling hot air.
While Patriotic and true Zambians are busy preparing the “Requiem for the morally Dead Chiluba”, you are here thoughtlessly bootlicking in hope of the imaginary gain. Good luck as you see Zambians putting aside all the forgiveness and make him pay for his crimes against humanity.
Chapi,
Your uncle Chiluba is a certified Cannibal who killed more Zambians and neighboring Angolans than any Southern African leader. Economically, physically and morally through arms smugglings and deprivation he killed. He has blood of myriad souls. When Doctors asked for human conditions, he fired them all heartlessly leaving thousands die. Yet today he calls Mama Betty Kaunda a Satanist. You have no morals in your bootlicking.
Mwaiche Fact,
Calm down!!!!You seem to be all over the map with you comments.I`ve always advised you to get a few tips from arguably the best spin doctor on the planet in the name of Karl Rove on how to handle such business.You`ll soon be fired from your SHUSHUSHU duties because of the shallow spin you keep displaying.
Mwaiche wandi Fact,
Check out how BARACK OBAMA(new generation of politics) is going to pull an upset in the Democratic primary elections.
Mwaiche,Zambia needs a BARACK OBAMA to move our country forward.
Stay blessed and have a good day…signing off
Mwaiche Chapi,
You have no morals, no personality, no shame and no conviction but unbridled tribal motivation. Looking at your shallow mindset. I have always wondered how Sata opted for you as a PF Shushushu. With Mtonga gone and Sata sick, i fear which party you will be prostituting too. If anything, be condemned for life to blogging. You are a total misfit to the democratic dispensation we are building. Tribalism doesn’t work.See how it will tear and pull you personally 25 years backwards.Bye
Citizen, if we go by rumours, there another rumour going on in the country that Dr Chuchu eliminated our brave cop Wazakaza. We take it that its Gospel truth!
Hey ZNBC chose to show FTJ courtesy of MUVI TV. What a shame that the corporation has failed to be a pioneer. And I was amazed that Mulongoti failed lamentably to address issues raised in FTJ’s PC. One out of many outstanding was the delayed banking of huge sums of public (tax payers’) money. He failed to mention the bank involved and why and how much pipo of zed have lost as a result of this suspicious arrangement. Mulongoti says no money was lost as a result, is this true? Who used the money
#Theoretician,
It is uninformed opinions like yours which led The Chiluba Government to close QZ.Let me enlighten you.
Ailine travel has got seasonality , we have peak periods and low periods.During peak the flights are full and fares applied are high.During low flights are almost empty and fares are very cheap. It is during this low period when staff are permitted to travel.It is an International regulation the world over that Airline staff are entiled to one free ticket per year.
During peak periods their is a staff embargo on travel isf staff want to travel during this period they buy a ticket like any normal passengar.The airline business is very complex seats or the product is perishable which means that when a plane flies with empty seats the value or revenue for those seats is lost forever and can not be recovered.It is unlike selling cement or groceries which if they are not bought can still be kept in stock until purchased.
Staff travel occurs on perished seats.
# 154 KING DAVID
Zambia airways poor performance at the end was not as a result of Management but due to exchange losses.The revenue for the airline was in Kwacha while the major expense component was in Dollars.Fuel such as spares,landing fees, crew rostering and accomodation, parking charges,simulator training,catering, ground handling,lease charges for aircraft maintenace and revenue proration payments to other airlines.More kwacha was need every month to buy the dollar from BOZ.
#189 So Dr Chuchu actually killed Wazakaza!!!
#193 Citizen,
Yes, that explains why QZ was draining resources and not able to pay, making it non viable (those are the IATA creditors it had).
#160 Socrates
Dont know where you got those figures but the Pete Marwick audits showed the true picture. We all saw those audit summeries. It is the one IATA, IMF & WB used to convince GRZ to liqidate coz of the ratios. FJT was not clever or infulencial enough to have these internation bodies tow his line. levy was vp of the cab meet, Come on!
FTJ just got so obessesd wit the IMF policies for privatisation.A certain former QZ chief accountant was on the post some months back and he explained that QZ could have been saved , but Govt did not want to listen hence went ahead to close QZ.Baiscally, the decision was made wit no patriotic ambitions but the opposite.If air zim can stil be struggling up to now and our loved QZ was taken out on first choking.Blame the man himself, FTJ.
Senior Citizen is a stupid ***** who is failing to substaite his fact. I thought this blog has resorted to decency and not the crass lunancy is showing.
#195 KING DAVID
I will pick one simple example from the many of a responsible government.Kenya Airways was at one time in a similar situation the government realised how strategic the airline was to the economy through it being a backbone of the tourism industry.They approached KLM to buy the morjority shares in KQ and to recapitalise and provide a management team.the Government retained Minority Shares AND thereafter KQ began turning around and today is able to ably stand on its own wiy.
#195 King DAVID
Locally KK’s UNIP Government had a realistic view of the problems besetting QZ .They ensured that QZ had a different rate of purchasing FOREX from the weekly auction conducted by BOZ through a second window.UNIP also supported the airline by ensuring that all Parastal and Government travellers used QZ. The same rational Chiluba is trying to support today on ZSIC STATE INSURANCE TAZAMA . The thing he destroyed when he came to power to power by propoundind free market theories.t
#198 Old man, just go and bootlicker your master’s ilenda at plot 1.
#196 Miyoba
FTJ deserves no sympathy in the way he mismanaged privatisation of parastals but the concept was spot on.The gov`s responsibility is simply to create an enably enviroment to do business in the nation and not actually participate in any.Gov`s focus should only be on policy making and leave running of companies in private hands.Examine the problems ZESCO is facing due to political interferance.How can ZESCO survive if it`s primary function is to fund the ruling party?
Blessed are they that were educated in times of Super Ken. These days, with FTJ’s legacy, no need to study. Just look for leakage or forge a certificate like FTJ did. Cry the beloved country.
Talking of QZ, it could have been saved. Like Miyoba has already, Zim with over 2500% inflation still a national airline. FTJ is not Zambian, if he was, he could have not done what he did to his own country.
miyoba,ka ***** iwe
Ba CITIZEN. What tourism was/is in Zambia to compare with Kenya & Tanzania or Swaziland which by the way also refused to subsdise Royal Swazi airline.Lets not overate ourselves. You just sound like a childish adult crying about good old days that were not even good. How many ordinary zambians afforded flights on QZ relatives & employees. Today people fly to Dubai etc. QZ mgrs were boasting that GRZ cannot do/liquidate QZ because we are landlocked.THEY went into a sleep chewing taxpayer subsidies
ctd.. It is this mentality that is still dragging down parastals (parasites) and causing havoc in on the taxpayers pocket. There is no motivation to to perform and no penalty for failure because GRZ WILL RESCUE THE Parasites using taxpayers money. AND THE MGRS MUST JUST SHOUT POLITCAL SLOGANS AND FUND RULING PARTY CONVENTIONS. That is “production” the zambian way. AND CITIZEN is yearning for that. Grow up big boy or girl
Ba Theoretician(205),how do you explain the Bank of England rescue package for Northern Rock.The funds BOE used are from the treasury(taxpayers loot!!).every responsible government has the mandate to intervene whether in a parastatal or in a private concern such as Northern Rock. What say you on this ??Please note the mgt of NR is still intact and pay rises and bonuses have just been given!!
Another case in point Ba Theo, the taxpayer subsidizes rail companies in Britain…what say you on this ??
BREAKING NEWS
VJ dead this morning at about 12:30hrs.
Ba Original pundit, Does Zambia have the money UK has?. Lets compare apples with apples. Zambia is too poor to afford socialism. There are so few wealth creators & when mere pittance is distributed via socialism you end up with widespsread (sharing)poverty. Let us compare ourselves with equally poor counries like Mozambique & aim to emulate counties like Bots or Swaziland etc. Lets not leave with our heads in the clouds and think we can match UK OR US not even RSA closer to home. Umwana aashenda
Condolences to VJ’s family and friends May His Soul Rest In Peace.
LT,
No matter the gravity # 208 , watch out for such impersonation.Its either your new system is a fraud or you are in conspiracy. I disclaim # 208 and hold no idea about it.If you don’t solve such acts, we will have no choice but to start breaching privacy right here. We have an unparalleled abilities to endanger criminals.
After almost 10 days, this is my first post here.Put your house in order.Otherwise, the red writings below will be useless.
Ba Theo, are we so brainwashed that we now think subsidy is for the rich only??How do you think they got rich in the first place…subsidy!We have travelled,learnt and now can see how keeping us in the shackles of poverty works for them.
I did not want to enter this debate arising from FTJs statement of not keeping quite when ever attacked. I see a lot of personality problems both from those that claim are old and the young too. Emotions are setting into this debate. Clearly we are being misrepresented by both of these age gorups. I dont condon bad langauge from either of the two groups. I should think we should clean up our langauge despite us not being known. I dont care who u think u support and caused toment to you life.
Ba Original Pundit. All I am saying is that one has to “measure” the amount of water in the pot with the mealie meal one has to make nshima. I know you think differently. So Lets agree to differ. We are all entitled to our opinions. ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION! Good day & signed off
Inde bwana Ba Theo(214)
Ba CCK(213),not everyone can “manage” their emotions.FTJ is a sore spot for many especially given that the electorate “made” him and we feel kicked in the teeth by his behaviour and arrogance…but that is the African way isn’t it?? As for the bad language allowed on these pages I blame the site administrators for letting it get out of hand.
I did not want to enter this debate arising from FTJs statement of not keeping quite when ever attacked. I see a lot of personality problems both from those that claim are old and the young too. Emotions are setting into this debate. Clearly we are being misrepresented by both of these age gorups. I dont condon bad langauge from either of the two groups. I should think we should clean up our langauge despite us not being known. I dont care who u think u support and caused toment to your life.
Ba Theoretician (210),
You can learn one or two things here.Like FACT, when he shares highly implicating reports, he posts in his FACT name and puts a claim of responsibility to it. And over time mostly within 24 hours his message tallies.That proves credibility and accessibility. Impersonation on such news undermines your credibility and that of your platform. Its exposes your handcapsy to challenging tasks.
Imagine retired VJ releases his “Sunset book” in January 2008.What will be your mind?
Reference no 208 VJ dead this morning at about 12:30hrs.
please confirm with us is this true that VJ dead or someone is framing his death.kindly confirm?
some of us our emotions are high.
Its sad that since UNIP was destroyed by the MMD, we have remained with handicapped crooks like you peddling your own confusion for our troubled opposition. You have failed to exhibit superior ability dependable for political mileage we desperately need in the opposition camp.With people like you, we are headed for a Defacto One party system again at the hands of the uncompromising MMD Machinery.
# 218,
You can have VJ junior’s satellite phone line through email if you are so bothered. If you feel you have very important or urgent issues email your issues, i could forward them for clearance to reach senior directly on his personal line. He is a very approachable old man.
Framing death? 99% framers announce their own end in disguise.
Bane, any thoughts on Central Board of Health(CBoH) having “only” K149 million worth of assets to hand over to the ministry??
Iam here and the thief still want to talk. Shut his mouth and put him a wagon to Kasumbalesa. He must go back to Congo where he came from. This disgrace lunatic. Sorry I get annoyed whenever I hear FTJ ranting. He should just keep quite and go to hell. What mankind agrees on earth God also accept it.
Chiluba Zambia alot of bad, but he still enjoys freedom of speak. Unfortunately, for Chiluba he seems to engage his mouth before his brains. Speaking out will be his sure way to prison….
Ba Chapi,
Your bootlicking for Chiluba is indeed disgraceful and a source of pain on all normal and patriotic citizens.Read again FACT’s statement # 184.You are too young but your tribal inclination is eating faster than i know it. FACT has said very important things in # 184 to open your mind in denial.
FACT says:
While Patriotic and true Zambians are busy preparing the “Requiem for the morally Dead Chilubaâ€, you are here thoughtlessly bootlicking in hope of an imaginary gain. Good luck as you see Zambians putting aside all the forgiveness and make him pay for his crimes against humanity.
While Patriotic and true Zambians are busy preparing the “Requiem for the morally Dead Chilubaâ€, you are here thoughtlessly bootlicking in hope of an imaginary gain.
Zambians are busy preparing the “Requiem for the morally Dead Chiluba
preparing the “Requiem for the morally Dead Chiluba
Requiem for the morally Dead Chiluba
“Requiem”
Do you what that word means chapi and its context?
FACT (Bashi Mabvuto my Ex husband)
When are we going to reconcile?Maureen has messed up our marriage.Tell his husband to take some viagra so that it can help him with his erectile dysfunction.
# 232,
Defaming the Head of state Dr. Mwanawasa over your troubled uncle Chiluba will consequentially not do you any good. Be a man to stand the wrath of Zambians tired of restraint against your uncle with existing records of crimes against humanityâ€. Prepare to take responsibility for the eminent requiem God forbid that could be a result of pressure on his tired heart. We are moving in full throttle beyond restraint.
Chiluba calling Mama Betty Kaunda a “Satanist” for reflecting on his sadistic behaviour during his tenure in statehouse confirms the pervasiveness of Pikinini. He goes on to say he bought Col.panji Kaunda a VX Landcruiser forgetting that he mobilized thugs to steal his VX at Gun point on the way to eastern province.Does a criminal’s restitution in or out of court settlement to the victim mount to gift?
Any victim deserves recovery of his loss at the hands of any crime actors.
Chapi (Demagogue),
Chiluba calling Mama Betty Kaunda a “Satanist” for reflecting on his sadistic behavior during his tenure in statehouse confirms Pikinini is a pervert. He goes on to say he bought Col. Panji Kaunda a VX Land cruiser, forgetting that he mobilized thugs to steal his VX at Gun point on the way to eastern province. Does a criminal’s restitution in or out of court settlement to the victim mount to a gift?
Any victim deserves recovery of his loss at the hands of any crime actor.
Observer # 218 I am humbled. I was taken for ride. I still cannot believe that people can play such cruel jokes. Entry #210 withdrawn.
# 236,
That is typical of Chapi & Joze. Be careful next time with these political vultures without a foundation or destiny or blogging duties.
#204 like your name you are just full of Theories and conjecture.
Yes they are plenty of people vgoing to Dubai travelling on Kenya Airways and Ethiopian Airlines.So Zambians are helping to create employement for Kenyans and Ethiopians by using their money to travel on these airlines.Today if the Chiluba Government had forsight the money paid by Zambiands would have been used to create employment for Zambians such as your young sisters ,brothers who today are roaming the streets.
#204 Let me tell you the economic significance of a tourism industry to a Monoeconomy like Zambia.
1.Tourism helps the country earn forex since it is an invincible export.(Tourists bring in and spend dollar)
2.Helps create employment for unskilled and skilled manpower such as pilots,waiters,safari guides, traditional dancers,immigration officers,Chefs,travel consultants, accountants, interprators,housekeepers.
3.Aids in the developement of infrustructure in non industrialised areas such Airports, fire stations, water reticulation,roads and communication E.G. South luangwa and Nkamba and Kasaba bay.
4.Improves local economy through the income Multiplier effect.The hotel earns money from the tourist, the hotel buys vegetables from a vendor,the vendor buys vegetables rom a farmer the farmer hires a labour hand to plant and weed his fields, the labourer gives money to his wife who buys a chitenge.
#5 Icome from tourism helps in balance of payment support.
For tourism to take place there must be Attraction,Accesibility,and Amenities. Accessibility is normally provided by the airlines which transport tourists from generating areas to destination areas with attractions such as Zambia. Kenya appreciates the value of tourism hence protecting the airline,There is very little tourism activities in Tanzania due to the near collapse of Air Tanzania.
For once use your bring to help the country.
Ba Citizen Sound theory is the basis good practice and munumental achievement. It be in natural science , arts, engineering, management etc. Theories have aided those that formulate or use them understand a thing or system. What? How? Why? When?. Answering or even attempting to answer these questions is of paramount importance before one sets oneself to an endeavour. Yes,The world has been shaped by doers but more so by those who understood/knew what they are doing.I respect theories/knowledge
Ba Citizen. You I agree tourism is important. However I do not agree with subsidising airtravel (in the name of promoting tourism or any reason for that matter) at the expense of more pressing needs like health & education because we simply cannot afford it. However, I respect your views & wish luck in having a taxpayer subsidised national carrier & things like GRZ rescue of troubled of banks like late Penza did for Meridien.(you compared UK govt rescue of North Rock). So lets agree to disagree.
Ba Theo(243),”responsible subsidy” is the song we are singing.the Meridien subsidy was a sound idea but the execution was irresponsible,Northern Rock subsidy responsible,tourism & agricultural subsidy is often a must to protect industry .Subsidy ignites sectoral activity and is not supposed to be a year in year out strategy.Just as a parent will pay schools fees for a child only till the child is no longer a child and can afford the fees themselves!!Subsidy like a good book must hav a start& end
#237 FACT/OBSERVER or Whatever id you impersonate.
Don`t pull me in your fights with Jose.You`ve laboured to draw me into a debate but to no avail.You should be an embarassment to your bosses who sent you for SHUSHUSHU training in Israel if this is all you have to offer.How do we have such incompetent chaps like you in our system?Remember that your sole purpose on this blog is turn bloggers opinions favourable to LPM`s governance which you`ve failed.Just concentrate on LPM`s ++ and you`ll be ok
Ba Original pundit #244 I dont need to go far. On this same blogsite under Economic News, check out the following article and associated comments:OUTSTANDING FDCF LOANS WORRY STATE. Now that’s just a tip of the iceberg. Perhaps you will still say these subsidies/taxpayer burdens/loans are are sound; but the execution is irresponsible. So never mind the execution just keep churning out these schemes coz the taxpayer is there anyaway and the subsidies are “sound” and “responsible”!
BUSHE FYONSE IFI LANDA BA CHILUBA FYABUFI?IMWE BASUNTWE MULETEKANYA MUMILANDILE YE NU.
Ba Theo(246), unsecured (revolving fund) lending and subsidy fyapusana.the mechanics(and gymnastics!!) and criteria used in funds disbursement under these two schemes are very dissimilar. I await another example from you.
Bottomline is: Its taxpayers money going to waste or being pocketed. That is the point I want to drive home. Abuse is abuse; whether the funds are secured or unsecured, loan or grant or subsidy to a parasitic parastal. This culture of abuse of taxpayers money cuts across the entire spectrum of finacial instruments you can think of.
Look at the response. Definately FTJ is a news maker than Chuchu. You guys just love this short and clever guy. You are so eager to read and comment on whatever he says. Whatever Chuchu will ever say or do in his life, he will never be half as great as FTJ is.
Ftj keep your mouth shut?
People is true that VJ is dead? i read about Mr Henry Mtonga?
Eastern Power,
You must be the dumbest midget in this age. Death is not a secret. Didn’t hear the death of Mtonga 20 minutes after being certified dead in SA? VJ a home and international name would his death surely miss the headline of our sensational media?
#253 FACT(Bamashina)
I`ve already advised you to focus on the positives LPM has done for the nation and not your cheap impersonations and insults.Be a bit more creative in your spin unlike such shallow work you`re doing.
By the way,when are you going stop posting comments as FACT and applaude yourself as SENIOR CITIZEN,OBSERVER,PRAGMATIST and so forth.
Otherwise,Mwaiche I enjoy the commedy you offer on this blog engulfed and entrenched in blind loyalty.
Sorry SENIOR CITIZEN and OBSERVER I meant FACT aka PRAGMATIST
LT
May you please make #255 an example of how serious you`re about dealing with impersonations.
#250, Fred Meembe (post newspapers something) evan said it himself. Media ia like and industry and you need to have good products to sell. The Post neswaper highest sales come when the headlines is “FTJ or Sata”
Ba Theo(249),every Govt has a mandate to safeguard the economic interests of its citizenry..Zambia no exception.On occassions they get it right on others they get it wrong.It is up to us the electorate to decide if the govt. in office should continue and we are greatly influenced by what Govt does for us.Abuse is worldwide but that doesn’t mean we should stop trying subsidies/revolving funds/promissory notes etc.unfortunately govt can only experiment with taxpayers money…thats life !!!
CITIZEN 198, 199
The core of Kenya’s economy was and still is tourism. The Kenya govt could invest and reap. QZ was taking 23% on th GDP from ZCCM and returning 10% (including tourism). You do the math.
Well done Ba Original Pundit#258. Iam glad you have alluded to the scourge of abuse & I am sure you do not approve of it. I further agree govt can only experiment with taxpayers money to see what works best. I would further add that costly experiments/lessons need not be repeated. I thus subscribe to tariff & non tariff protective measures in key sectors of the economy than subsidies or unpayable grants/loans. Revenues are put to good use eg roads, housing, education,health.ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION
LT Overseer,
Refer to my post # 40-44 under “Levy not impressed with Browns decision, December 5, 2007″.
I have tested the IPs of all the people you blocked and confess that they have been dully unblocked. That is magnanimity that drives projects forward. Your row ought to be above factional interests in a diverse undertaking where rivalry is the norm.
Yours should be fair moderation only.
Bravo
King David! how is VJ and FTJ doing?
#20 King David
Except for sea,sun,sand and sex tourist attractions found on the coastal areas of Kenya the other attractions such as ethnic, cultural and wildlife are found also found in Zambia. Zambia has added atractions such as adventure tourism such as bungi Jumping and rafting which are not available in Kenya.
Zambia also offers ecotourism to to its sceneray open unpolutaed wilderness areas. With support to QZ we could have been by now reaping the proceeds.
Chapi…!forgive my dumbness, but we are not on the same time zone and i tend to get the news hours later? VJ is an international name in your own small world? Anyway thanks for your comfirmation. Will wait and see who goes first between Chiluba or VJ? The Lord has his own way of dealing with plunderers…cheers and good day to you.
#259 King David
The biggest problem that faced Zambia airways were the exchange losses due to earning revenue in Kwacha and servicing obligations in Dollars.
Due to liberalised exchange control in Zambia most people are able to buy dollars from bureax use the money to pay for air tickets and use the forex to buy goods in places such as Dubai for sale in Zambia.
Foreing airlines have taken advantage of this by increasing their flight to Lusaka.
#259 King David
A few months afeter the closure of QZ these airlines began increasing flights to Zambia
Kenya Airways flies every day to Lusaka. Air Zimbabwe every day into Lusaka, South African Airways an average of three flights every day into Lusaka, Ethiopian Airlines every day and British Airways three times a week. SA every day into Livingstone,Comair every day into Livingstone, National wide every day into Livingstone.
Because USD could now be earned from Zambia.
number 260..! well spoken.The much needed resources are actually wasted in parliament. we pay our politicians way to much money? we should set a wage limit on how much these fortune seekers should be entitled.We should also stiffen our laws on theft in public office. otherwise will continue attracting fortune seekers into the lucurative political arena. Let us elect individuals that are willing to serve. True service is all about sacrifice for the greater good of others.
Thank you Easter power #267. I am humbled by yor compliment. I just fail to understand why able bodied, educated and capable individuals should strive so hard to create systems/schemes (that distribute/siphon funds from the govt treasury to their pockets) to abuse/plunder taxpayers money when the can instead apply the energies to real wealth creation. Let us think of zambia’s future generations.
A change in political leadership will never bring the desired accountability in our government,without implementing stiffer laws on theft in public office. let us demand for wage freeze in parliament first, before we elect more fortune seekers in public office. Sata is one fortune seeker who is never statisfied… the man has had the opportunity to plunder in all three regimes.? I for one opted to stay away from the ballot? Reason,”i don’t want to make a fortune seeker’s dream come true.”
ctd.. If there is so much USD to be made why cant citizen #266 put up a project proposal and get capital from banks/ stock markets or even joint venture with reputable individuals Zambian companies like Nchito’s Zambian airways.Prof clive chirwa also mentioned he has some millions of USD (plus his expertise in transport). Such a project would have all the credentials. That would be real wealth creation. But why does it always have to taxpayers cash at stake?
Theoretician…!We need to set our prioprities right. I have great respect for Hon Shakafuswa, his the only MP that has ever proposed for a wage cut on members of parliament? His proposal was to cut the wages then divert the money towards the CDF? guess what not even MPs from his party (then UNDP) seconded him. He was actually teased for bringing the issue to light? They reminded him “to be thankful that he drove a nice car.” can you blame me for not casting my vote during the last election?
People we are only three years away to yet another life changing experience? who should we elect for president?
Lets wait and see all candidates who will surface for the 2011 race.cannot blame you for ignoring the ballot box. Our political system requires cleansing.There is no service at heart. No ill intention to fellow zambians who were unable go beyond Grade 7. But someone joked that Zambia is the only country with Grade 7 MP’s in the sub region. Go to the local govt & the picture even gets worse.I am niether in support well educated Zambians that tend to use the brainpower to rape the govt treasury.
I have just been checking out a book ” legal aspects of combating corruption: case study on zambia” by Dr K. Mwenda? Why can’t our government utilize the brians of such a brilliant zambian mind? instead we are wasting billions of kwacha by forming a task force headed by known theives (mark chona). i fail to understand our leaders…..bena mpombo inchinto kufukama kuli infumu? Lord have mercy…!
Definately education has to play a primal role in candidate selection! All MPs need to hold at least a college degree?i know some people will disagree, but let us face it. we all would have loved to doctors,
lawyers,accountants!same principle applies. politics should not be the easy way out for people that never went to school?People that have not gone beyond grade twelve will be the ones more resistant to this idea? If education is a consideration for running a department or an organization?
#263 CITIZEN,
I do not disagree with you, but reality does. GRZ and QZ were not in a position to continue anymore. If they did not have liabilities and and already existing cost structure it would have been right to start from scratch. But it had been mismanged into a situation where the starting point was so yesteryear
Contd… what more with running a nation. In kenya only university graduates are allowed to contest? i understand that we can never replace experience, but neither can we replace education? With education you can at least practice what you have learned, but with experince you simply rely on your old routine of doing things. Politics and our social problems have evolved, hence the need for educated and dedicated individuals with intergirity to change the Zambian political arena. Sata kuyabebele.!
#266 CITIZEN
U the flight in/out of LSK arn’t 1 legged. Eg ETA from LSK goes to Addis, rome and london. KA to nairobi, Amsterdam and any other dest. These are long haul flights and the airline have partnerships with other iata members fo cross carrying. The total ticket taking are covered by the long haul. QZ may be reborn and fly to Addis, but other iata member will *NOT* engage them any further, QZ can nor bare the other legs alone and will close again. KML will not give QZ the nai to lon fly
#277 EP,
I am not sure if there is any uni degree designed for leadership. Its not a vocation, it is a quality. Then you need the will power to implement. I do agree that demands have changed, no longer need stone throwing ect. From the 13 who stood in 2001 and those in 2006 I think Sata in the man.
#273..! I guess will have to wait and see! at least we all know the consquences for not having college education? The world is not fair, sorry to say but that is the way forward. otherwise education will no longer have any value if we keep appointing or voting grade twelves or ba old form three into public office. bye for now and thanks for your positive contributions..!
#79..! like i have already indicated our world has evolved. colleges are already offering leadership degrees with concentrations in non-profit, public service, education, healthcare name it? they even have an MBA with a concentration in bussiness leadership? come king david what is your catch here!
#279..! like i have already indicated our world has evolved. colleges are already offering leadership degrees with concentrations in non-profit, public service, education, healthcare name it? they even have an MBA with a concentration in bussiness leadership? come on king david what is your catch here!
#281 ep
You can not train to be a leader! it is not a vocation, it is an inborn quality. its like saying we can train you to love pets. or saying citizen you are not qualified to be a dad coz you have a diploma in ‘parenting’, king david is better to take care of citizens kids coz he has a degree.
cont, if that is the case then are you saying we are best of with a situation where a we write exams and the one with the highest mak is president/prime minister/chancellor?
King David..If I may ask? what makes sata your ideal candidate? Don’t tell stuff that i already know.like he is a man of action? what about his intergrity! are you aware that your man had deposited funds meant for the mezarf housing project into his own company account? he even arrogantly admitted that,”he did not steal the money, but only kept it while some transactions or paperwork was still ironed out.” i would not trust that man with my fifty cent. let alone the nations resources.
Eastern Power #270; Whilst I do not belong to any political party. I would recommend Felix Mutati to join his traditional cousin prof Chirwa in the MMD race for plot 1. He too seems to be someone with someting to offer. But he needs to come out. If someone knows him, tell him theoretician thinks he has got a chance. But it is only a chance.By deduction,the theory of probability of binomial distribution dictates that he exposes himself with increased frequency to tilt the outcome to success.
EP, the 84% of urban Zambia that voted for Sata can tell you what we see in him. Abour mezaf, that case was investigated and closed. he was not found wanting, trust me, if he had any dirty levy would have jailed him like sakala. levy hates him with a passion from way back and he is currently the inly thorn in levys flesh. thats why he has tried to jail him for things like motor car theft, espionage, false delaration of assets ect. he is iether roo smart or clean. Another thing, times have
cont, changed. institutions are now in place and empowered to catch such acts, levy has set a president of being persued when one leaves office, so sata will not tyr anything unconsitutional.
King David not everybody who has natural born leadership abilities is destined to be a great leader! not everybody who is capable of producing children makes a good parent? Just like any other skill, leaderhip is something you learn and gets better with time plus experience. it is just the same with parenting! Take a leadership course you surely need one.
Easter Power,
Advise: Please vote. You see there is no need in complaining if you do not vote. EG I did not vote for MMD, but I am better of complaining about about issues because I gave it a try than watiching from the terraces and complaining when Vare becaomes minister
Easter Power #277: On eddcation a university degree is asking for too much. Freedom fighter and nationalist Sikota Wina once suggested a minimum of grade 9 at local govt and Grade 12 for parliament. Some people’s education maybe humble but have superior leadership qualities.
If there was a blueprint (course, curriculum or syabuss) on leadership, then the world leaders over would looked at it and said “When there is a leader in iraq you done want, do this”. When there is a problem in barotseland, go to page 142. When MMD is cracking up, refer to citizens paper on 1998. When there in unempoyment in Zambia simple do the Labrot procedure on 1985. When AIDS is killing Zambian follow the Fox Lens model. What a perfect world! But realitiy say no no no. You cant train that
#287! your 84% statistics simply illustrate the percentage of bakaponya in urban zambia. which is true as only 500,000 are in formal employment.That is the strong base for sata ( the uneducated)of course with a few exception ..like yourself….!moreover who in his rightful mind would not vote for his own father? correct me if Iam wrong…Mr King David Chilfya Sata? #286.! i dont know much about mr mutati?furnish some more information..his back ground?
#293, democracy is about numbers, so when Sata scores 9 kaponya against 1 prof for levy in lusaka. its a 90% mandate from lsk. if the zambian electrol system was anything like the amercan eletral collage, pf would have formed govt. in zed kaponya and prof alike have the same vote. about mutati for pres, not sure…
#291..! thought there was a huge difference between having superior leadership skills and leadership qualities. not everything that seems to be leather is leather? are we looking for the right qualities or skills! I though we are supposed to be looking for competencies!
#292…!then we might as well call ourselves doctors or practice law if no training is needed?
#295, dont make me laugh. medicine and law are vocations. leadership is an inborn quility. tell me where is a degree in being a leader abtained? bolton? unza? no where
#293. Felix’s profile is on the ACCA website
I suppose there is a paper in module E of ACCA called political leadershit. bad joke. kets get back to serion matters.
#294..!That is the problem with democracy..even fools,and the uneducated are allowed to participate. They influence the results such that we end up having the wrong people in power. I almost fainted when rumor had it that sata was in the lead during the past election.But thank God, we all have different perspectives about our ideal world? At least you understand why americans came up with their voting system? not all that glitters is gold? sata is not what i call leadership material.
I can not change youine of thought, but I alwas like healthy debate and not name calling ect. So if we take the american model, you relaise Sata would be pres? are you for or againt it? besides the point persnal feeling and issues are personal. lets debate facts, figures and exchange knowedgle, veiw point are most welcome
Eastern Power #295. A balance is required between skills and personal attributes (qualities). As you may know not all doctors make good surgeons. And not all MBA gradutes make good managers. The same goes for leadership. Yes, skills are important but that’s just one side of the coin.
Nice 1 theo
Not all pilots can sucessfully run airlines
#293.. will check on Felix’s profile?
#298..!google organizational leadership graduate degrees in the usa and see what happens? I have opted not to participate in the voting process as the leaders we elect do not care about the welfare of others? as long the current system continues i will not let my vote fulfill some fortune seeker’s dream? no social responsibility at all? more concerned about enriching themselves, but sorry not at my expense. if i had my way i would quit paying my taxes.
Eastern Power #304. Your viewpoint is fully appreciated.I too would do a lot with my (tax)money that keeps to bottomless pits/pitless bottoms. Cheers and good day. ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION
#301..! i will admit that we must look at the individual from the holistic perspective? at least we have all agreed on one thing…not everyone can make a good leader? all the candidates never touch the real issues that affect us? LPM was telling us that he would eradicate corruption.without changing the system? if sata promised to change the system he would be my man?another,problem they are never accountable for promises they fail to implement? vote them out,but they keep the incentives.
Thanks for your postive contributions gentlmen. it’s 7:18 am my time and have not been to bed. i wont keep my wife waiting for too long. have a blessed day. cheers.
#304, EP, have Cheney, Bush, Gates (Rob), Condelleza etc been through those programs? After all they are in the USA. When did they graduates and when will Mr Brown be enrolled? Could even send Hu tao and other there. The answers are No, Never and Never. Why? coz they dont prepare pipo for the real challenges out here in the real world.
Bye EP and Theo, its been nice, claen and helthy. lets keep it so.
I were Chiluba i would keep my mouth shut?
Tonga bull, this discussion is way way way above and beyond that! dont try to bring it back the dar ages!!”! Please spare us. we have been having health debates here, so please take that low line of thought elsewhere.
#310 Tonga bull,
I u have out a q mark afer your posting, meaning it is a question y/n. if it is then it has been answered way into the early posts scroll up. If it is a statement then back your reasoninf with facts, and please do nore bore us with items already posted here. Look through what has been doscussed then come up with new ones.
Eastern Power, King David and Theoretician. That’s health debate you’ve had LT.
#264 Eastern POWER
I am not the one that posted #253 but FACT the impostor,otherwise your good point is taken.
Thanks for a good clean debate and that`s the way to go…Congrats
#278 King David
Let me enlighten u a bit on airline ticketing and revenue.All airlines who are IATA members operate on a principle Known as the five freedom. An airline applies and becomes an IATA member as long as it operates a scheduled service,the Aircraft meets certain safety standards,Pilots,engeneers and grouds handlers have required certification. The Airlines deposits a certain amount of money with the IATA clearing house (Bank) in order to service its obligations with other members.
The IATA member airline’s operations are then governed by the five freedoms as follows:
1.The freedom to pick up passengers and mail from own country and set them down in aforeign country.
2.The freedom to pick passengars and mail from a foreign country and set them down in own country.
3The freedom to overfly a foreign country while transporting passengars betweeb home country and foreing country.
4. The freedom to have a technical stop e.g refueling in a third country.
The last freedom known as the 5th freedom never granted
5. The freedom by a foreign carrier to pick up mail and passengars from a foreign country and set them down in another foreign country.
Now in order for an IATA airline to transport passengars beyond destinations to which it operates it signs bilateral or interline agreements with other IATA airlines which then accept IT’S passengars and tickets and foward them to a final destination.Thus passengars on brought into London by KQ
BA can the accept these passengars with KQ tickets and trasport them to Newyork. The revenue is then shared by KQ and Ba using prorate ratios the airline withe the longest sector gets more. BA collects this money by present a bill throgh the claering house and KQ alson remitts the money throgh the same IATA Clearing house. So u can see that as long as you are current with your IATA membership and have interline agreements with other airlines your passengars can be trasported by another airline.
So ba King David if QZ was rescucited today, met all the safety requirents on aircraft, have licenced pilots, engeneers, and loadmasters and deposited sifficent funds with the IATA clearing bank and singned bilatelaral or interline agreements with other offline airlines it passengars would be trasported to forward destinations withot any problem.
having a QZ is ideal but the biggest culprit (debtor) would be GRZ !!the thing about GRZ is that it is not that they will not pay….it is when they will pay!! GRZ has little appreciation of the time value of money hence the level of domestic debt is so horrific and debt collection from the Treasury is every businessmans nightmare!!(unless you grease a few palms!!)without a QZ, govt. travel is controlled and limited to when funds are available.
#319 CITIZEN,
QZ/GRZ still have a lot of unselttled moneis wih IATA clearing house you mentioned in 278. Therefore can not participate at the moment. It is a simple case of bad credit history. Even if it was paid of today the bad credit history will still haunt them and they may not be allowed to take part.
Ba King David(321), the rot is not only limited to GRZ/QZ.A survey of indigeneous travel firms will show the same pattern!!Zambians have just learnt how to work on borrowed capital but the culture of paying back or paying on time is taking TOO long to become the norm.We are not as good at business as we rate ourselves to be and that is a fact.A little introspection and self criticism would go along way in sustaining the indigenous business momentum the new deal govt. started.
I agree with you on the culture of borrowing and not paying back. That was the norm in the parastatal economy, hence these companies run themselves indo debt and became cost centre. I do not see anything the new deal has started, but time will tell. Let us see.
#321 King David
I agree with you here, but Kindly note that QZ/GRZ does not owe the IATA clearing house any money.The secured garantees which airlenes put up inorder to participate are what are used when airlines default.In the case of Zambia Airways IATA used their guarantee to settle the airline’s obligations.
However because QZ defaulted it can not be permitted to rejoin unless it changes its share holding , designation and registration.
I learnt a lot from your postings on this subject.
#324 CITIZEN,
I have also learnt a lot from yours (and a few others). I have learnt a lot more from yours than you have learned from mine.
pre 1991 parastatals had debt often guaranteed by GRZ.this gave the govt. the percieved right to abuse these firms contributing to their final insolvency.Govt. has no business doing business but must be seen as a facilitator of a conducive business environment.the liberalised economy was intended to achieve this goal.this was the “new deal” that govt. made with the people of zambia.Privatisation was part of the deal but we all know how our “saviours” looted the state instead!!
From problems of democracy: the usa in changing world, on the importance of a literate populace. “government of and by the people implies a belief that the typical individual is capable of exercising good judgement and making wise decisions. where there is widespread illiteracy, apathy, or ingnorance, free self government is less likely to work.” this is Sata’s strong base (bakaponya).
Akuti bwanji ba sata with his MPs Ba Joze ati shani?
Open letter to Sata. Please sit with your people and discuss these arising issues. Don`t bulldoze but first give them an open hearing then decide collectively which way to go. This should not be a one-man`s show. It involves Zed. And then become more transparent to your people involved. Obviously for your team to start behaving like this means there`s something wrong happening which the general populace does not see. To be in control you need to know why & how. Democracy is the key in your part.
In response to the senior citizen he is claiming that Chiluba didnt do anything has he forgotten who introduced democracy,freedom of speech, information technology etc are you not the one who were signing Kaunda walala in 1991 how come KK is a hero now same applies now come 2011. LMP will be called all sorts of name you the same pipo u have set the precedence.
In response to the senior citizen he is claiming that Chiluba didnt do anything has he forgotten who introduced democracy,freedom of speech, information technology etc are you not the one who were signing Kaunda walala in 1991 how come KK is a hero now same applies now come 2011. LMP will be called all sorts of name you the same pipo u have set the precedence.
Viva Chiluba
hey its funny how individuals amoung us still see and regard FTJ as having been a great leader. Look at what his government did to our great nation. Yes he helped the state by modernising the wheels that are used to run it but this man and his accomplices robed us of so much. I dont need any factual proof of this as it is there for all to see. like for example how is it that a mere African President can afford millions on his own clothing label or purchase extravagantly posh chattels to lavish upon those he fancies especially of the female gender. He wronged us and he must be brought to justice. People in power should lead to help the country move forward not almost irrivocably plunder it
come on now!we should not let F T J try to turn us away from the real matter at hand!we want our money.we no mwanwasa has also been raking out a few of billions (him and his wife) but at the moment there is nothing we can do till he lives office. . .so why not concentrate our efforts were we can obtain results,like chiluba.london have only unearthed but a fraction so lets put pressure n get our money back!!
If you want your legacy to be respected,pliz continue been on a mute side than talking,coz you wil ruin the respect that people had for you.
Let this gvt finish wat it started,then talk freely. People are talking on your behalf!
FTJ is a bloody murderer and thief.
Chilube will die and you will never see that money. Time to move on, i assure you that the sun will rise again tomorrow
1st and foremost,i have observed that Citizen is very well informed and you can see the way writes his facts.
Chiluba has openely confessed about his abuse of authority by publicly declaring who he helped with the zamtrop account,that alone is enough to convict him on abuse of authority.LMP,iS NOT PERFECT BUT HAS BROUGHT A LOT OF SANITY TO ZAMBIA THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE PROUD OF.
Chiluba sold houses at a give away price,that alone was a sign that ine ndeiba naimwe ibeniko.Unfortunately he couldnt have given them away.Even in developed nations property does not depreciate it appreciates.I brokered a sale for one house that is very notable in lusaka.The grz price was about K9m but was sold for about K80m.By the way my mother is also a beneficiary of those houses in prime location of lusaka which she paid K8m but today is worth a good K800m.Inspite of my family benefiting from those houses,they should never have been sold in that way.
Chiluba is one dog that betrayed the zambian people. Zambia is a christian nation may ass.
excuss my language but this guy has the nerve to open his mouth his place in zambian history has been sealed for good.
…when were you ever quite iwe ka chiluba? epofye namutulo ula landa…waba aka mutwe
ba senior citizen kwena? mwaliba shushu? or is it that ur papa or relative was one? is it that you have a grudge against Chiluba? mwalanda sana, if all this evidence is public knowledge why is it that he has not been taken to court? let the man be, after all, if we look at the education background of our leaders from KK to date, and imagine yourself in their shoes, you would probably have done the same, nobody is a saint, am not saying chiluba did not make mistakes, how about ba KK and Mushala just to mention one? look back at those times and ask again..what did ba KK do to maintain order and national unity?
fjt the congolese locked up his own father(kk) on trumped charges when it was him who put him trough school and gave him subsidized food.my labarador because i feed him doesnt bite me who is better?.kk was responsible for all that he had yet the ungrateful son put him in.he got the fake accent all on his own.
Of course you can’t esp with the blood on your hands
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