Paramount Chief Chitimukulu of the Bemba people says it is not in order for traditional rulers to fight with the politicans.
The Paramount chief said traditional rulers and political leaders have distinct roles to play in the governance of the country.
He said political leaders, including the republican president are subjects of chiefs.
The Paramount Chief was speaking in Chipata during a dinner hosted for all traditional rulers who attended the 2008 Ncwala ceremony of the Ngoni people.
He said where there is a problem, traditional rulers should sit together with politicians and discuss amicably.
He further said traditional rulers also have an important role to play in national development and cited mineral resources which fall within their chiefdoms.
it is true
A Chief is a Chief, a politician also another entity, if you fail to distinguish these you invite the confusion that currently obtains in Swaziland, not one quite konws exactly who or what King Muswati is, if he wants a new juet he is a politician if he wants a new bride he is a king..
With all due respect to traditions,it is bothersome when we have to witness the Kuomboka with the King dressed in British supplied Royal Regalia. A few years ago when most of the world camped in Zambia to witness a solar spectacle,the total eclipse, Paramount Chief Mpezeni took a ride in a speed boat crossing the mighty Zambezi to signify the moment we Ngonis accomplished the feat in 1885 during a total eclipse.Granted, these nostalgic occassions may mean something, but they also point to a modernization of sorts . In order that we can make progress,it may be prudent for our Chiefs to assume the Queen-like symbolic role within the context of our Nation state.Avoid Swazi experience.
Eye in the Sky, please we Ngonis sound like you were there in 1885! Please say my forefathers
wayasa Mupatipati Chitimukulu mpoiyandika kuyasa mpikili. Chiefs please concentrate on leading your subjects. Let politicians do their job alone and in the way they can best do. Only advise and stop being partisan, or atleast avoid making your party inclinations come out vehemently.
Those words of wisdom from the wise Paramount chief. Plz counselle your fellows traditional chiefs who are Mad Muwelewele Devils (MMD) party cadres.
Chief Chitimukulu’s words are words of wisdom. Pay heed to them!!!
Those are wise words ba chief
Weldone paramount chief chitimukulu.S peech is silver and wisdom is gold.
Imwe namwe a chitapankwa! Muli vichi mubufumu? Ati subject, those are delogatory terms brought about by the colonizers! I for one, I am not a subject of any chap living on earth except God! I am not in any way obliged to offer gifts to an earthly being! Ati subject, lets use words that would fit into the modern democratic environment. Its chiefs who sold our fore fathers into slavery just to buy a mirror! In fact we need to have some form of elections for persons to aquire leadership at traditional level for these institutions to be more meaningful. Royal blood is just a mith, lets elect credible traditional leaders to bring development to the rural people. Ati subjects, nivyakale chomene!
its a pity that our political leadres do not respect traditional leaders,but we can not blame them entirely,the condut of some chiefs is very questionable needless to mention names but am sure we know them.Wise words indeed from that kamubemba chief.
its a pity that our political leaders do not respect traditional leaders,but we can not blame them entirely,the condut of some chiefs is very questionable needless to mention names but am sure we know them.Wise words indeed from that kamubemba chief.
Chiefs were recognised for one main reason by the colonisers, tax collection from the natives who were also made to accept the position of subject. Subjects were required to pay tax (chitupa) to the governors in form of money, eggs, chicken, goats, cattle etc. It was difficult to go directly to the subjects, so chiefs were honored by being specialy dressed, given adminstrative assistants including security to carry out these unpopular works. Current politicians use chiefs to sustain themselves in power, for chiefs are demi Gods to villagers. What they say is devine, villagers implement without question! They are useful indeed. Are we really still all subjects by virtue of tribal affiliation?
#12 Have respect can you use kamubemba chief to a Paramount Chief? Stupid!
Walasa yewe
Bo mulena Chitimukulu,pliz tame your people to behave like beings not monkeys.they are plunderers.they shud respect other tribes too!they are not more human than Ngonis,Tongas and Lozis.
Walasa Zozo Vyasuzya,
We are nolonger subjects of anyone but citizens of our fatherland therefore ba chief chitimukulu perhaps would need to rephrase and say there ought to be a partnership between the politicians and all traditional leaders inorder to forge a better zambian society.
A subject has no rights whatsoever – if the chief says jump! one ought(then) to answer how high?
Today, its a different story, we respect our elders and look to them for wisdom.
We also realise that tradition is not static but changes with the changing times.
No.16 has raised a very important point to think through as Zambians and also to continue seeing each one of us whether Ngoni,Tonga,Bemba,Lozi,Kaonde,Mbunda,etc as one people and equal in everything that belongs to Zambia as a nation.Well done also to his Royal Highness chief chitimukulu for his timely advice though it can be interpreted differently depending on one’s stand point. But he has said his view and personally i respect that.
#16 and 18 …I agree with your sentiments.let’s unite and forge ahaed to develop our nation.keep zambia united.
16# you have lost your head, Bembas being Plunderers if they are then northern would have been the =richest province.Kindly show maturity to elders. You are insane and not a Tonga as you claim.
By the way last i checked the Chitimukulu throne was a subject of litigation in civil courts, was this resolved?injunctions now touch on everything in modern zed..
#16 we are not plunderers, we and the easterners have sweated blod and tears in the mines for you guys to now plunder and accuse us…ala!
No 16 definitely is wrong to insunuate that some people or tribe are plunderers without valid evidence.Lets not label or type people as such.I hope that was a slip of his/her tongue.Equally 22 you have missed the point to assert that the mines are in the hands of the easterners or northerners if i got you properly.Fellow zambians lets learn to argue in a cool manner than when we are emotional.You end up saying what is not palatable.No 16 has not claimed that he is Tonga and i have failed to see how the issue of being tonga or not tonga for No 20 is coming from.To me his/her name suggests that he is lozi.i maybe wrong or right.Pls refer also to my earlier contribution on No 18
# 16 is a lozi name mwefibupa !!mulibe nzelu ayi!it just shows how much you hate Tongas…you must be cowards ….tukolwe!!
Im actually saddened by the level of debate from pipo claiming to come from a certain area of this country,One begins to wonder how pipo can be so naive considering the memories of the Rwandan Genocide are still fresh in pipo’s mind.
#16 & 24 your comments are unwarranted considering the topic at hand
Nyirongo plundered our land is a Bemba hey!
Mulyata was fired bcoz corruption – Bemba hey!
Mibenge is got issues to
Chuchu is plundered K6b – Bemba hey
The list is endless………
Some of are labelling Bembas plunders bcoz of inferio complex!
kulibe namwe…nimwe akawalala!!those are just accued…they haven’t been convicted but FTJ,Chungu and Kabwe have!!even Bulaya …hahahahahaa….proves you wrong.
Lets not be tribalistic in nature. We are all Zambians. If Bembas are plunderers then the rest are equally the same. e.g
Dr Mweene/Kalumba team. If we continue with such rhetoric we are definitely bound to undergo the same ethnic wars like our friends in Rwanda and Kenya. Lets remain united and forge ahead economically and politically for the benefit of our future generation. As for Chief Chitimukulu, the man surely is right to refer to us as his subjects especially when we look at those statements from our culture/heritage’s point of view. Lets learn to respect our chiefs. Currently Zambians born after the 1970s are far off the mark of our cultural heritage but want to identify themselves.
Theiving knows neither tribe nor ethnicity, but only greediness. Unfortunately greediness is an attribute of human nature, we can only work towards supressing this feeling. To have what we dont have or have more than what others have or enjoy unlimited pleasures most of the times takes a break through in life, genuingly or crookedly. Unfortunately the easy way for some is by way of plunder. It is the duty of every parent to instill values in their kids and show them the right path. Every one has the potential to be a plunderer depending on how society views people with ill gotten wealth. Unfortunately, all the rich are worshiped, thats a strong divident! so tite uli banabakwithu?
Eye in the sky, read more about the history of that regalia that the Litunga adorns during the Ku-omboka ceremony, you will find your WHYS, HOWS, WHENS, etc answers. Traditions, Customs, styles and fashions are dynamic and so is the general lifestyle anywhere in the world. If King Mpezeni used a speedboat to cross the Zambezi River on that particular day due to the advise given to him by his Indunas and Security after a recce patrol for his safety, who is he to object? Comeon Eye, maybe you need an Optician.
Anti chuchu
#31 YOU ARE AN *****, THE GREATEST ROBBERY THE COUNTRY HAS EVER PRODUCED WAS ROY MUDENDA, WHO HAD DEGREES IN ROBBERY AND TAUGHT MOST OF THESE THIEVIES ARE MENTIONING? Mind you, these names are so common and are found in most corners of the country. Mwape, kapenda, can come from Selenje or Mkushi, or better still CB in Mpongwe where your ILENDA presdo come? STOP TALKING NOSENSE MAN?!
This site is dirty in fact very dirty and what makes it like this is bcoz of two ass hole tribes.Its a well known fact nangu basambile shani they willforever have village mentallity.Just look at one of the NM.too backwards too too village .You parrot we go pantanshi.Ass holes poor u 2.T.T.O.
Lets teach 2.T.T.O ,LIMBI THEY WILL COME BACK FROM MUTULO.
This site is dirty in fact very dirty and what makes it like this is bcoz of two ass hole tribes.Its a well known fact nangu basambilile shani they will forever have village mentallity.Just look at one of the minister called NM.too backwards!! too too village .You parrot we go pantanshi.Ass holes poor u 2.T.T.O.
I think this site should be done away with coz it has become so dirty. Fwe bantu tatwaba na fisuma. We have been given a chance to come up with positive coments on issues of national importance but the oposite is the case. Why fellow Zambians why??
The biggest tribalists in Zambia are those people who have parents that come from the same tribe. These types of people tend to be biased towards other tribes because they have been brought up thinking that people from other tribes are different from them. If you know that your parents come from the same tribe then you are a tribalist, you better check your self. The solution is to break out from your tribe mates and marry into some other tribe, then you will enjoy and appreciate other people’s cultures and will then qualify to be called a true Zambian!! One Zambia One Nation to all true Zambians!!
In fact when I become President, I will ban marrying from the same tribe. If you are found marrying from the same tribe, you will be striped of your Zambian nationality, you will become stateless. if you insist on marrying from the same tribe then you will have to do it from out side Zambia and your marriage will not be recognised in Zambia. Same tribe people are the ones that fuel tribalism across Africa not just in Zambia. I will make sure this law becomes Continental to wipe out this tribe nonsense and end tribalism in Africa! Change is coming!!
Hear, Hear Dr Idi Amin dada, conquerer blah, blah, blah….
Out of bed yet?
Z #37 Hear, Hear Dr Idi Amin dada, conquerer blah, blah, blah….
Out of bed yet?
#37 Yes I agree with you, we need to end tribalism by banning same tribe marriages.
All this fuss about provinces, tribal this and tribal that is primitive and typical of the developing world. How can you call Zambia a Christian nation if you hate your own brother, your fellow man?
Then it’s logical to say that Africans should not complain when they come across people who’ve stereotyped them? If we are tribalists, let’s not talk about racism. What I see is that Racism and Tribalism are the same, coming from the same roots of hatred, a vice spawned from the pits of hell by the devil himself.
Some things will never change.
#41 we kambwa
#42, someone say that again? did this guy just call me a dog?
Yap!
#41 I think #42 wanted to say “wa kamba” unless otherwise
Ladies and Gentlemen we are all zambians and if anything let us fight for a just cause. Tribal bickering will not take us anywhere. Good and bad people have come from all tribes at the end of it all we are all one. United we stand devided we fall
#45 wa kamba. I think there’s no use in imposing bad traits on this tribe or that tribe. Good and bad people have emerged from every tribe. There’s a good and bad person in each of us. The more the good is exhibited, the better it will be for all of us. We are peace loving people.
It is a pity the cancer of tribalism has spread through our society more than was thought before. Worst still it is the young ones or the called ‘New generation’ who are habiting such kind of potentially chaotic thoughts in the name of tribalism.
#s16,18 and 31 have exhibited. It is not true to think only the Bemba tribe produces the long-fingered ones or thiefs.My questions are: Is:
Funjika a bemba? no kaonde. Is Roy Mudenda who almost escaped from Mukobeko Prison a bemba..Tonga? What about Shansonga..Tonga, Georgiago Musengule..Luvale,Sunday kayumba..Kaonde? Advice:Take cases on individual bases do not generalise.
Who vetoes or assents ,is it the chiefs or the president?The constitution is the master in a constitutional democracy.So the overall is the constitution followed by the president( in the case of Zambia).But in UK and the commonwealth ,which are democracies as well with a monarchy, the constitution prevails followed by the king or queen then the prime ministers.In the US the constitution is superior followed by the president who from time to time is checked by the congress and the house of rep.His decisions from the constitution are subject to debate before assent by the president.So do not insult the president he is following the current constitution of the land.And am fully supporting him.Lawyers are the best people to consult before commenting.Our tendency will make Africa poorer.