Vice President Rupiah Banda says he is coping well with national duties despite the absence of President Mwanawasa who is currently hospitalized in a military hospital in France.
Mr. Banda told journalists in an interview in Lusaka today that cabinet ministers and other government officials have been very supportive adding work has been moving on smoothly.
He said Dr Mwanawasa is stable and has continued to respond positively to treatment adding that the nation will be kept informed on the President’s condition.
Mr. Banda has called on all Zambians to continue praying for the quick recovery of President Levy Mwanawasa.
President Mwanawasa was admitted to Sharm-el-sherik international hospital in the resort city of sharm-el-sheik in Egypt after he suffered a stroke on June, 29th, 2008, where he had gone to attend an African Union (AU) heads of state summit.
He was later evacuated to Percy military hospital on 1st July, 2008, where he is currently admitted.
Meanwhile, Vice President Rupiah Banda says Zambia has continued to benefit immensely from Saudi Arabia.
Mr. Banda said Saudi Arabia which is one of the leading oil producing nations (OPEC) has continued to use its oil wealth to the betterment of mankind to which Zambia draws finances to fund many projects.
The Vice President said this in Lusaka today when he received tents and assorted food staffs from the Saudi Arabian Royal Embassy and government at the Disaster Management and Mitigation Unit (DMMU) offices.
The Royal Embassy Saudi Arabia donated 400 tones of assorted food stuffs that included rice, flour, macaroni salt and beans, among others, and 2,000 tents while the Saudi Arabia government donated 12,762 cartons of assorted foodstuffs and 2,000 tents.
Mr. Banda noted that the kingdom of Saudi Arabia has consistently assisted the underprivileged in Africa and Zambia is not an exception.
He observed that the donations represent the strong bondage of friendship that exists between Zambia and Saudi Arabia.
“Early this year, the royal kingdom of Saudi Arabia donated a large consignment of dates to the victims of floods that wrecked havoc in Zambia. Relations between the two countries have a long history and we recognize and respect Saudi Arabia as home of Islam, one of the world’s two largest religious,” Mr. Banda.
Speaking earlier, a representative of the ministry of finance of the kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Saad Abdulaziz Alsineadi said his government is a pioneer in extending relief assistance to all Arab, Islamic and other friendly countries like Zambia when faced with natural disasters and calamities.
Mr. Alsineadi was optimistic that the donation will mitigate and cushion the effects of the floods and the rising cost of food in the region.
And Charge’d’ Affaires at the Royal Embassy of Saudi Arabia, Naseh Al-Nefaie said the kingdom of Saudi Arabia appreciates the efforts being taken by DMMU in alleviating the sufferings of the flood victims.
Mr. Al-Nefaie said his government decided to make the donation after learning that thousands of Zambians were left homeless and infrastructure damaged.
ZANIS/YK/AM/ENDS.
Another govt official, you are at it again! VP says he is coping well with his national duties.
thats nice to hear Mr veep,we hope dat he leaves ICU soon
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Party position was done away with by LPM
He has spoken,he’s on the race to familialise with the highest post.Put on the safety shoes & thick sockx.
simple Psychology or common sense will tell you that all is not well . Why should the VP start telling the world that he is coping well. He is either trying to fool the pipo before they realise that he is incapable or something is brewing in the cabinet
I realy enjoyed the previous movie (Bloggers’ comments) on Lusaka Times “Levy recovering satisfactorily After an Operation”
I am happy to know that the VP is coping and I hope other Patriotic Zambians are happy as well. What I do hope, though, is that these so called senior officials have learn’t from what happened in Israel with regards Sharon and start preparing themselves for any eventualities in terms of finding a successor without fear of being labled an Anti-Mwanawasa. I am talking about continuity without confusion as Gvt has to continue operating with or without specific indivduals. I am at the same time wishing our president a quick recovery. But I am just saying there should be smooth operations of gvt beyond this sad development.
This Rupiah chap is not giving us updated info, that is why pipo like Zaza spread rumours. Bwana banda give us the low down on how Levy is doing? How long will he be on life supporting machines or how long before we go to the next elections that is the kind of info we need, not that crap of he is coping well and Levy is not dead
Ba Banda deep down your heart you are wishing Levy to stay in coma for a longer period so that you enjoy yourself in his abstent!
Mr Veep sir, allow me to say you will not be voted in power by Zedians come what may. You are UNIP and you were hand picked by LPM. so make hay whailst the sun is there. Thanks for letting us know that you are coping well with national duties. This means that you are hiding something from us. The Presido is on liife support machine and at one time he was gasping. shame ba Zambia na ma secret yaboza.
This would only be news if there was ever a time a politician has been known to confess that he cannot handle national duties or he is stressed out. His performance and those of the cabinet will be judged sooner or later!
What nonsense ba VP. You have already started positioning yourself for the bigh post? Please we want the election within 90 days and not this coping.
How long shall the Zambians wait for LPM to recover. Zambia cant afford to have a head of state absent for more than a week.
Why are Zambians stupid. They always find ways to pull someone down. If you know something tell us dont. Dont thing that you are more smart than everyone.
Let RB do his duties as acting president and move foward. Dont destruct him because you will be the ones crying when he looses direction.
Niyokosa! I see a lot of ilogical thinking here. VP is simply saying he is coping so what are these criticisms all about? If he had said he is not coping you would still have said something negative about him. So what must he say?
The Man #15-please do not associate yourself with matters u can not understand.what is on the ground is that LPM is not fit to lead the nation and VIP is also useless,therefore what is important here is to find the way forward
why are Zambians so docile? why arent we asking real questions? The VP is taking the nation for a ride and Zambians are busy cheering him. What nonsense is that telling the nation that he is coping. I dont believe a single word this man is saying. first and foremost he is UNIP and secondly he has a chance to plunder the resources so why dont he give us a break and announce so that political parties can start to campaign
Why are we being lied to ?
#18. You got that right. Zambians may have a UNIP president if LPM does not recover. All MMD, UPND, and PF supporters who are not praying for LPM should consider making earnest prayers for him.
Viva UNIP!
# 15 you sound like a child to me.# 16 do you ever think if RB was struggling he will tell you? # 6 has a point why would someone just stand up and say he is coping? obviously there is trouble brewing and he is trying to stop it before it spreads. Incomptence was shown the day he cried when the president was not dead
The quite ones are very much in control because they think. Relax
quiet ones
The man # 15 are you sure you are man? RB lost his direction the day he cried in church. How can a grown man cry for someone who is not dead
RB is a coward and doesn’t have enough courage..look at how he cried that day!! he alerted the nation and that’s why other people still believe LPM is gone.we need an immediate MMD convetion and select a President and VEPP.
#17, 21. Yes I might be a child just because I express my opinion. You must be very dissapointed with you life. What is wrong with RB coping with his duties? What must we do? hold elections now???
I bet you are the same people who would want LP photographed in ICU just to prove that he is alive but again then what?
I dont know much about RB hence and I am not for the idea of him being president until 2011.
#17, 21. Start acting like grown adults and dont just react to every thing that you hear and read.
he must say something that goes a bit like electons shoul be held in 90 days cos he does not have the mandate rule as presdo for long o otherwise it jut the game known as politricks.
Awee!!!this is getting abit out of way. RB you should understand that we did not not vote for you and i blame the cosntitution for this even though i have not read it and probably this is the time to have a copy of one.How do president’s in Zambia choose VP’S? Over a peroid of 44yrs we’ve had uncountable numuber of VP some very hopeless and some soo soo and what ever you can call them compared to a mere three Big fish.I think this is a wake up call to strongly do a good work on the upcoming constitution.
Ba Rupiah Banda are you sure you wont cry if you hear LPM is worse? please save us the i am coping nonsesnse
# 26 for Christ sake RB was crying for a man who is not dead. That should tell you something. Dont just blab for the sake of it, think man
What is the difference between the roles of a Vice President in the absence of the President and the Position of Acting President in the absence of the President. The two positions are officially different because the later is officially handed over a letter of appointment to Act while the other just maintains the usual position. But can a lawyer or a HR person advise for us to understand the current roles of the VP.
# 26 did you see the photograph in the post of Rupiah Banda and George Mpombo. if not then i understand you.
Thanks for the update RB. And now for the most important item on the agenda…What next?
RB is a cry baby, i would neva waste a vote on him. the pic of him crying like a wimpy says it all!!!
Looking at that jovial smile and mellow hat the Vice President wears, one might think…when the cat’s away, the mice will play. More serious pictures LT.
Zambia has no commander in chief and we cant go on like this.
The truth of the matter is that Levy will unfortunately never come back to the throne again. He suffered a brain hemorrhage (aka ruptured brain vessel in the brain); according to statistics, recovery is a long journey involving physiotherapy, including speech therapy and learning the use of bodily functions all over again. The damaged brain cells never recover; hence the patient is never able to utilize that part of the brain for the rest of their life. The 35% of the patients who pull through this unfortunate condition at best never regain full control of their functions. At worst they end up in a vegetative state. 10% fully recover but that is after many years of rehabilitation.
Make that “blood” vessel in #37 above
You #25 wake up!!What we need is a national election NOT A FU..KI.. MMD CONVENTION.As far as I am concerned MMD will go with LPM. Period!!
How fuuny , he hasnt even given a live state briefing to the nation at large…. that shows weakness in leadership.
enjoy before you are kicked out if things goes to the worse
if LPM is improving let the family come back as the are wasting tax payers money which they are spending larvshly in france?
You are right let them come back especially the schöol going ones thembe and chipo. Ba funika kuyenda ku sukulu. Education is the key to sucess.
chipo goes to school in France already
# 37; you have hit the nail right on it’s head. The MMD have no elected VP which gives them with no ample time to put things in order. They will need a convention to elect a Party President & VP if what # 37 said is anything to go by which constitutionally has be wrapped up in 90 days. Ba RB cannot impose himself Top Gun because he is mere appointee and I hope this serves a lesson to all those who feel politic appointments are next to Godliness. Otherwise we need to the truth so that we could get on with our lives trying to survive on less than a dollar a day. Ba Mwisho Dr. LPM GET WELL SOON!
If somebody asks the VP,a question like: How are you coping with your national duties?do you expect him to talk about sex.You fools are just in the negative.bunch of losers.
Viva 46. The veep was responding to a specific question. I was there and the journalist from phoenix asked this question. “your honour sir how are you coping with added responsibilities of being acting pres and veep at the same time”. So what is this speculation from these ghostbusters on this forum. Why cant you just go to sleep.
iwee ka Tamanga #46, you should think before you submit your comment you friends are talking real issues here and you are taiking of sex. Mwaiche ubwamba bulekuchusha? Be smart and think positive.
#46 you are right on the money. It is what it is.Our VP was simply responding to the question.some of these people on this site are out of touch with reality.#48 you sound childish like somebody i know from indiana.
Zambians deserve a press briefing from Mwanawasa’s doctor.
We don’t need RB’s “Stable” briefing.Stable and improved do not co-exist. If it wasn’t for the Eyptian doctors, all we could have known was LPM had a stroke. They went on to tell us he was in a semi-coma. What is the prognosis ?
Power is sweet! I’m told one Head of State declared that power was sweet within two hours of being sworn in.
Ha Zedians let us be seriously with our Zed.The reason why cabinet is quite is bcoz half of it are either appointees or blood relatives like the shakas and these sluggers are in majority so they are always bullying the few elected ones as they possesses controlling power being LPM’S tifitifis.Tell whats happening to LPM’S MEGAPHONE Teta.?
Imwe baice eco bamwebela ati u zambians u like talking to much.Shut up concentrate on praying for LPM so that God answers yr prayers u are confusings God!!!
Its disgustin 2 note that comments on this blog re increasingly tainted with insults. One tends 2 wonder if pipo take tym 2 reflect before postin any contribution. The trivial and unyielding opinions we re readin on re rather irritating and vexing. Lets objectively contribute and forge the way forward. Abash nonsense, abash insults, Viva amano panchende!!!!
RB must have been asked how he is coping. i doubt he just stood up and said he is coping. if he was asked, there is abolutely nothing wrong with answering the way he did. Article 36 of the Constitution requires Cabinet majority to resolve that the president in incapable of leading the country. Then the chief justice should appoint a board of three physicians to investigate the cabinet resolution. if the board is satisfied the president cannot perform his functions, the vice president is supposed to act until an election is held. the constitution mentions nothing about whether the VP is elected or appointed. it will be silly for cabinet to publicise this process.
so cabinet could actually in the process of investigating this together with the chief justice. we should understand there are smart lawyers in cabinet (hopefully they have not thrown their brains out of the window). i would not be suprised to hear that RB is appointed to act until an election is held. i will be suprised if cabinet is not already working on this.
I think the VP is getting ready to convince the Mwanawasa family and the majority of the cabinet to have the hospital personel in Paris to declare LPM incapacitated.
Rupiah Banda has seen the presidency within grasp.Watch this space.
LPM`s family tree,insansa kuchinjanya.VP Banda knows that major opportunies in life only come once and he ain`t ready to pass on this one.
I agree also with Abash nonsense, abash insults and Viva amano panchende and for the VP to be called Mr. Acting President for as long as the President is not around. Why is the media not refering to him as Acting President. When in the past it has been the case when the President is abroad.
Thanks be to God
good point, RB should be referred to as Acting President. he will be so until cabinet advises otherwise or LM returns to full capacity.
Why are Zed pipo like that?
there is no single description of zed people; they are all different.
#61 if you are from Zimbabwe and about to die of hunger please mind your own business and stop questioning us the Zambians do u understand chap?
Brethren, could you all concentrate on the topic inherent in the news content. Also, see to it that you pray more for LPM AND HIS FAMILY.
am just wondering if they r just waiting for the trade fair buzz to subside, we need a statement from the doctors, something tangible. but nipa zed, what can we do but enjoy such freedoms and hope that RB nabene GM are reading this. let us just get organized and find a way to pressure government to tell us the truth,not returning to office, at least we should know, if he is dead…it is sad indeed, but ninshi God has spoken. but those guys..old guards should just open up. Zambians in France y not protest in front of the Zambian embassy in Paris to get some legit information? Get Maureen to show her face, or the doctors..please, let us use the only tools available to us..napapata sana
RB has not given us any update. Min’s Mpombo and Mulongoti, including MMD chair Mabenga where re-assurance us that they’re united. First they question themselves in private then answer in public. What amateurs. Get hold of VJ for better lying tips.
And RB and Mpombo did more harm than Zaza by morning more than the “Widow”. Be careful men. You preside over a nation of many intelligent men and women. And most of the people you rule are sharper more smart than u
RB says work is moving smoothly… It had better for his own sake. We dont wanna hear funny stories about him not coping. He shud cope period! Even if he gets BP.
VP has no choice but deal the reality that Mwanawasa is in hospital…that is part of duty; zambians wish him to be taking the lead in national matters…Just do it right cousin!!
When are going to hear those French doctors do a press conference on Presidents Mwanawasa health and progress…we are just tired of short non medical terms from the MMD leadership..let the doctors speak for themselves to Zambians…We need to know from the Doctors whose interest is to make Mwanawasa health again..
H.E is on a life support machine. I do not understand why Govt is still lying. He is breathing through a life support machine and is clinically dead but for the sake of political expediency they keep telling lies. wake up Zambia!!R.B. and the rest of cabinet must do as the law states and inaugurate the Veep as President and then call for elections within 90 days
This is going to drag out like the Anderson Mazoka affair. There are no tried and tested ways of challenging leaders in Zambia. The country will continue to run on auto-pilot. Ministers, who normally wait for presidential directives to do their work, are now lost and are just sitting on their hands. There is total impotence in Zed. The opposition is too weak to force any movement. Everyone is too scared to be labeled as unfeeling. If RB is acting president then presumably we only have three months to organise a presidential election. Another point to make is that Sata cannot be allowed to stand on grounds of health. In fact Mwanawasa should have been disqualified in the first place!
In democratic countries, the opposition leaders would be briefed fully of the president’s condition (in complete confidence of course). The government, opposition and chief justice would agree when to declare the president incapacitated, install the VP and call for fresh elections. In our country HH and Sata each live on their own planets and lack credibility. I bet no one in government even considers HH a leader of the opposition!
IF ANYTHING HAPPENS TO LPM,HIS WIFE SHOULD AUTOMTICALLY TAKE OVER TO CONTINUE THE NEW DEAL AND DONT LET THIEVES TO PLUNDER AGAIN,WISH HIM FAST RECOVERY
Nyambe… where’s your 4 and a half senses?? Be serious.
The Zambian Government is reminding me of the Zimbabwe Electoral Commission during the first round of voting in Zimbabwe. The fact of the matter is they are witholding information on the case of LPM’s health. What even confirms it further is the international news blackout that seems to be in place…PREPARE FOR THE WORST
#73 Nyambe
You should be ashamed of yourself for being such a financial parasite on LPM.You`re the members of the family tree that have contributed to colapsing LPM`s nervous system and sent him in coma.How do you expect one person to give you positions in govt that you don`t deserve and also hope he tackles national issues at the same time.Shame on you lazy dependants and do you now hope Maureen is going to carry all of you on her back.Go get your own job because we Zambians are tired of your nepotism.
# 27. Ras Rated, helsinki,Fnland
i want to come to finland. am your neighbour here. contact me on that mail add. am enjoying reading these comments am leaning some how. [email protected]
PS: but please no insults we are on line en everyone is reading these. ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION (ken u rememba)
#71 #72 CHITAPANKWA
You always make informed contributions and I totally agree with your sentiments.It`s time we moved on and found a leader to move our country forward.How long can Zambia be on auto pilot?
#78 Chapi, you got very good points towards LPM’s family who benefited when he took over from FTJ. All LPM’s family members are bunch of fools and it’s about that time for them to wake up but there’s not enough time for them. All i can tell them, they need to ga back KWILAMBA.Zambia we need a new fresh leader, young and knowledgeable of 20th centurey materials. We don’t need all those washed out UNIP,MMD OR other so called politicians. ALL ZAMBIANS ABROAD, TIME HAS COME TO GO AND PERSUE POLITICS IN ZAMBIA. WE NEED NEW PEOPLE AT STATE HOUSE.
Common fellas, you honestly think RB cares about what you and me think about him? it does not matter 1 or 2 years as head of office will secure his retirement? RB is a man of less morals? ask his nieces? the man would creep in their beds at night for sexual favors?
Until many of you mature and start thinking right, we forewarn many of you are stuck in these garbage in garbage out blogging fantasies. Vindicate us, hollow return blogging is stuck with you beyond this tragedy. Your filler to take, we realistically don’t see your place of influence the power domain.You lack skills to realize your wishful thoughts.No Government has been born in blogs or is a product of cyber insults, death prayers and all the kids litter fill ups on the threads here.While you are busy over exposing your infantile wishes, real people are cementing their way forward. Soon may find yourselves voting your lungs out without an audience for solidarity.
Forewarning is forearming, we realistically don’t see your place of influence in any power domain in this hitch or out of it.Watch the space further preemption is unnecessary.
From the Post Newspaper 10-07-98
MMD spokesperson Benny Tetamashimba yesterday said it will be important for the party to consider President Levy Mwanawasa’s successor when he comes back.
winning in contemporary politics is for those whose forecast and projection is ahead of the game and optimize all incentives in the play book ahead of the opponents plans. Realign and consolidate mechanics of power shift, grassroot public opinion both domestic and foreign then stage the ball.
RB has better credentials than any other VP or Premier in Zambia, Other than being a cry baby RB can move the nation forward. He is a highly diplomatic man who does not open his mouth any how. He has characteristics of a born leader. In additional to his natural leadership skill. RB is the most educated VP ever in Zambia. Graduate of Bachelor and Masters full times studies from Russia and Sweden.
Tragedy is sad but a Golden opportunity for a nation and any party with an existing political and international constituency to realign and consolidate in a given dispensation. MMD has capacity and base to move forward.Leadership is not on in the NEC but also in its layers of home and foreign based membership base.Thousands have been pooling in their money, moral support while hundreds have been sponsored to study in strategic Government and leadership disciplines.They should just open up to the party wider base.
Leadership is not only in the NEC, but also in the many MMD layers of home and foreign based loyalists bases which the party has always collaborated with in thick and thin.Internal preparation must intensively continue parallel to the recovery of H.E who by God’s Grace henceforth deserves a restful place, cared and a blessing hand on the Government as usual business.Activation of Grassroot and international media Diplomacy with mass resource mobilization and injection are invariable assets.
nepotism! kiss my a.. Tell me which former president never practiced nepo.. When you are not in the loop you want to sound anti-nepo.. and when it benefits you nothing is wrong. #57 chapi, what do you mean insansa kuchinjanya? I do not support any vices that come with presidential power but when we condemn them it must be in good faith. Nepotism is not only practiced by people in power but also among people in the streets , bloggers etc. I wish people had shouted the same when chiluba was in power, a serious nepotist. Zed is always changing for the better and trust me next president will even bring more changes as dynamics demand that currently.
FYI
RB at one time had taken Munali’s MP seat for granted. He had a victory party B4 results were announced. Only to find out a secondary teacher was the new MP. This time the man doesn’t wanna jump the Gun.
Some of us are living witnesses of undertakings in peaks and troughs of the MMD.One phenomenal internal strength like that of UNIP over the years has been their passion to building capacity in bases of mature, educated and visionary members in diversity across territorial boundaries.We implore those of you who have finished your studies or yet to finish in the Diaspora on Government-to-Government or party arrangement to seriously consider expediting your return. Your responsibilities still awaits your return.The peace and gains can only accentuated by you who appreciate what is put in place for the common good.
When KK was voted out people shouted insults against him like he never did anything good during his time e,g Education.Now that we have someone who was fingerpicked loud mouths are shouting insults against Chiluba.When will you ever learn?I guarantee you when Mwanawasa is succeeded we will have new insults from the same people if not perpetual legal proceedings.Same old stories and nothing new.I feel like being sick each time I see those booty shaking mama MMD or mama UNIP women dancing for the pres.
The other important task to systematically move on as a country is what the judiciary announced in previous plunder case hearings.The judiciary must stick to their August judgments calender and make painful verdicts. Where conviction holds, lets put plunders where they belong and move on with a clean and accountable slate in public office. We don’t do the Chinese or Saudi Arabian way of summary execution on plunders in purging the litter in society but count on the judiciary to set precedence though we can independently take them off one at a time in silence.The eyes of Zambians and the international community whose taxes were plundered with impunity are inching for justice.
I have resisted temptation to comment on the unfortunate news about the prezs sickness but I can’t let some of zedians comment go without commenting.Lets just say some of u are commenting out of ignorance or just hate for Levy.There is a procedure that must be followed to get the information about the sickness of the prez and if he passed on there is noway the goverment can keep that info from the public.The real quesitiion that pipo must be debating is is the prez going to be effective after this strock.We must be getting ready for what might follow. Get well Levy and accomplish your purpose.
#91 HOLA
You`ve raised very good points about how Zambians tend to demonise past presidents.We received free education during the Kaunda era that must be appreciated.
Any economic gains we`re currently seeing has alot to do with Chiluba`s reign in terms of the policies that were implemented such as SAP.If there wasn`t any SAP there could not have been any debt forgiveness which allowed the govt to implement alot of developmental projects.
Despite LPM`s nepotism,he`s also performed so well as evidenced by the economic gains and investor confidence in our growing economy.
We`ve got to learn from our past president`s mistakes but appreciate the good things they initiated.
The President is very much alive and by God’s Grace he is pulling through the death trap. He might not be in the best functional condition, but by Heavenly Grace as a miracle man who has seen many such painful and stunning times in life yet Greater Grace has manifested for him, he will be very much with us in his gradual recovery condition.It is pathetic and beyond human dignity to even hear this so called Chapi say “insansa kuchinjanya”.Such kids We have no doubt they grew up in broken homes and missed both parental love and early childhood prosperity hence too callous on those who have made a difference in public life.Their dreams for the office are unattainable illusions.
Kambilombilo ( #93 ) ,
Levy Mwanawasa renovated the office of the president into a sick bed many years ago so the question of his fitness is like asking a chicken if those are feathers that cover it’s body.
The group of poverty stricken and spineless people Mwanawasa has surrounded himself with do not have the moral courage and enough financial independence to tell him to his face that he is medically not fit for office. And we the people have been rather reserved in telling this truth. The current situation is a crisis waiting to happen.
Those who can see that Zambia is bigger than one stubborn fool how ignored medical advice have nothing to weep about and nothing to pray about.
RB please spare us your theatricks we need updates on the condition of LPM not whether you are coping or not
#95 PRAGMATIST/SENIOR CITIZEN
I feel pity for that your bootlicking has finally come to a terrible end.I wonder whether you`re genuinely concerned about the well being of LPM or your main aim is that he continues sustaining you when/if he resumes his national duties.You chaps must give LPM a break and start contributing positively to the well being of our country.Read my posting #76
May the Lord help us navigate through this crisis because this MMD govt seems clueless about what to do.We can not afford to continue being on auto pilot.The clock “hour” seems to have a flat battery.
Chapi,
You need a father head in your life to gain some love and decency critically missing in you.As your big brother I thank God that your territory of expressing hatred is in blogs without an audience in the corridors of powers. You are too bitter to see others prosper and increase in national role.Those are vices taking an early life toll on you.Your ignorance irritates me.In my life i worked too close with Dr.Kaunda a Hero of our time and Pikinini FJT until 1998 when i opted for personal business interests.LPM though i have never worked under him, he has proved the best transformative leader given to Zambians.
This is Senior Citizen and not pragmatist coming from different life disciplines all together though shared strong national values. If you want to take on Pragmatist who certainly comes above your head in critical think and intellectual fabric take him on.I think he patronizes these threads over the weekends going by his trends.I have kept quite but followed with disdain how immature and unpolished you are in illusions. So far your childish and bitter headed talk has proved beyond doubt that you are a kid too distant from attaining some national level value. I encourage you to stay the course of wishful blogging where your safety probably is guaranteed. On the Ground, you have no mileage.
This is Senior Citizen and not pragmatist coming from different life disciplines all together though shared strong national values. If you want to take on Pragmatist who certainly comes above your head in critical thinking and intellectual fabric, take him on.I think he patronizes these threads over the weekends going by his trends.I have kept quiet but followed with disdain how immature and unpolished you are in illusions. So far your childish and bitter headed talk has proved beyond doubt that you are a kid too distant from attaining some national level value. I encourage you to stay the course of wishful blogging where your safety probably is guaranteed. On the Ground, you have no mileage
I recall Pragmatist telling you off that he has a very good corporate vocation and not serving in GRZ while myself served the first two heads. Out of your ignorance, if Pragmatist were serving the Mwanawasa administration an insinuation you have disgracefully failed to prove over a year i have been seeing to babble with, you could could serve beyond many administration. My self served KK then picked up with Chiluba and if i wanted i could have served LPM to without hurdles. Wise administrations are mindful of the blunder of letting professionals who know so much loose.That is the Iraq challenge Bush has. They only let loose simpleton cadres like you without a background or national value.
I recall Pragmatist telling you off that he has a very good corporate vocation and not serving in GRZ while myself served the first two heads. Out of your ignorance, if Pragmatist was serving the Mwanawasa administration an insinuation you have disgracefully failed to prove over a year i have been seeing you babble with, he could serve beyond many administrations. My self served KK then picked up with Chiluba and if i wanted i could have served LPM to without hurdles. Wise administrations are mindful of the blunder of letting professionals who know too much loose.That is the Iraq challenge Bush has. They only let loose simpleton-cadres like you without a background or national value.
Chapi,
Today a patriot could step on your head 6 fits down the hills, there will be little or no Global institutional chess after the truth. The opposite is true with those who have been prepared for Global missions without borders at a cost.Its a paradoxical world. Where you went for special skills for difficult times matters.
#105 Senior Citizen
You coward of a man. True men dont fall on titles, they fall on courage. Leave Chapi alone and take on someone your own size. Do you think this blog needs your record of service. We can neither verify it nor care whether you were the vice president. The reason you mention that you worked for Super Ken is to try to gain attention even when your contributions are hollow. The mere mention that you served super ken and Ftj doesnt mean you’re sharp. You could have been the chap who ran the things down. Again how do we verify. So your ideas are the only things we want here not who’s boot you licked. Leave Chapi alone, so far he/she scored more than you grandpa.
The Bible says, there is the time to be born and a time to die. Let us all accept this first.Lpm will NEVER rule zambia again. The man is and will be in mental problems 4ever want or not. PF,UPND And UNIP put your Hse in order guys.i want Lpm alive also.
Simplicity makes for easy understanding. Right now the Veep is coping with what seems to be a problem to him. Question: Any of you Bloggers cast your votes for RB? BIG NO!!! The fact that the electorate had nothing to do with him being in Govt is a big challenge for him to convince cabinet that he should be appointed to continue running state affairs. It makes it worthless to have people work hard to be elected only to have an appointee as the second powerful man in the land. Apart from those close to the presidency, think of the general feelings of all other MPs in regards to RBs current position. Are we to accept that he is more Zambian than those MPs? je ne ces’t pas.
There are some people who were wishing LPM would fail just from the beginning when they made fun of him and called him funny names. But he has surprising overcome all odds, turning around a wrecked economy and all economic indicators show that we are on the right track. Now the same frustrated people are jealousy of his achievements and just accuse him of tribalism. Long live LPM.
All you bloggers that think that having served under A,B or C gives you leaverage to disregard others, portrays you as bootlickers. You cry of freedom of speech and yet right here on the blog threats, clumpdowns and outright intimidation are the order of each thread. Unlike you, others prefer to face the issues without aligning to the ABCs. As for now so much time has been lost talking about the same thing.
Can the Some of us on this blog challenge us to sarting up projects to help pupils at primary schools or in your communities so we can divert our energies where they are worth?
Nevers Mumba where are u? Your position is vacant. RP is irelevant we need new and energetic people. HH mismanaged resources in Luanshya.
#111, which resources were mismanaged in Luanshya by HH? Can you elaborate well, unlike just typing a few words before your boss catches you in his office.
The attacks on Chapi really ticks me off. Serving two former Presidents does mean you have the monopoly of intelligence or knowledge of how govts are run. One can be a bootlicker or a cholaboy like Evaristo was to Chiluba. One can be like Fabian Mumba who crooked himself to Statehouse. Chapi knows what he is talking about. When you talk of national value, you are symbolically evoking socialism and communism that you guys perpetuated. Others are of no value but those in the political inner circles. What if we say Chapi is not of govt servitude but of corporate value and a very productive individual unlike the failed govts that you served? Tell us what yo did that can be written in our history
#112 No threats my friend
Serving two criminal enterprises dubbed govts does not make one a great citizen or of any value to normal people like me.
Chofwe are you using your boss’s computer to blog?
# 110 if you want to save the world join Lions club, Rotary etc dont come on this blog like you are holier than thou. You have definitley crossed the line. You are also on a wrong blog.
Guys calm down!!!! LT change the topic. Give us a cpmprehensive briefing on the condition of LPM
senior citizen has stopped posting. Good! We have clipped his wings!
You cant see me, my time is now! Let sleeping dogs lie.
EVARISTO MUTALE CHOLABOY TO CHILUBA DIED ALONG TIME
the thieves will be back. katele and company. rumour has it that they we seen having a meeting at FTJs house.
RB – Who The Hell Asked You?
Check today’s times Malone Zaza is said to have apologised adnd only tipped the Radio Station….hello what kind of crap is this. They should do something to discipline him, when someone starts a rumour like that one which involves the world discipline them so that others dont follow suit.
It seems some people want RB to resign for no apparent fault of his own. He just happens to be the Veep. Dont jump the gun.
Senior citizen \#105 is indoshi, old man go get some sleep if you have any to write we ndoshi. It dosen’t mean if you ass licked KK or FTJ and LPM makes you wise old ass-hhh a perfect human. THIS A COUNTRY OF NO OLD MAN FOOL. Leave us alone and express what we feel about important issues than licking LPM’s black ass.
Everyone is ignoring us! And we are not very pleased with that. Keep your heads up.
#127 Maj.Gen, what do you mean everyone is ignoring your ass? Can you be clear with your postings maybe no one will ignore your comments.
# 127 you sound like an attention seeker. Are you sure you are a major General? or probably you are just a cry baby like RB.# 125 RB has no right to be where he is. The constituition does not support his position. RB is almost bordering on being an illegal president.Secondly his cry baby behaviour in church says a lot about him. We cant have a commander in chief who cries when pipo are in Hospital
RB why don,t you show us a video clip even if he is in ICU. We Zedians own him when we voted for him to that position. This will prove to everyone that he is recovereing and condition is stable. Wishing LPM a speedy recovery. UR health has cozed our kwacha to depreciate. I was looking forward to 1 ZMK to 1 US$ rate
The idea here is not to bury our heads in the sand in the face of eventualities of LPM’s sickness. We must seek constitutional guidance on the way forward so that there is a sense of preparedness in the nation. Copying well with national duties on the part RB has its own limited mandated life span which could easily be overtaken by turn of events. The question is, do we have a plan B which is supported by the constitution?
Don’t panic, you’ll soon find out what I mean. Then I’ll won’t be seeking for any attention because your eyes will be opened.
Are you aware that hitler often cried, big men cry at the battle front my dear. Crying is no sign of weakness. The name Brrrr sounds like crying.
#132, I DON’T EVEN KNOW YOUR NAME FOOL. fuc$ your ass, take your behind somewhere maybe in the bush loser.
What? You can’t even put up a sentence of something sensible and which to start with me! Try someone else.
I think if we are sincere about the situation we will admit that after a tracheostomy, 2 or 3 strokes (depending on whether or not the truth be told), and all the other health problems LPM has, it will be unfair to let him continue in office – especially since they say the stroke was caused by hemorrhage and not a clot….
Unfortunatley, RB is an outsider in the sense that I doubt that he is a ”family member” and he definitely was not elected – the man is afraid, I doubt he is privy to what is actually going on.
We need to pray for as total a recovery as is possible for LPM, BUT let us not forget to pray for the nation, there are too many factions and too many power hungry people
Most people don’t get it. Too much talk is dangerous. Show some restraint. Just because you are safe now does not mean that things will remain as such. Think about your families.
Read Articles 34, 38 and then 39 of our constitution! You will see that there will be no crisis if Levy passes on. Zambians in general like to create crises because they can manipulate the situation by capitalizing on weaknesses. This is not what democracy is about! We might as well go back to one party rule if we think like this.
In most cases people who not able to logically argue a point tend to run to their defense, which ever way seems easiest. In others you see it through abusive language because they can’t just counter the other persons logic.
joseph phiri, thank you. can you guys read the constitution and comment intelligently. the vp is the vp, period. everything that follwos is in the constitution. the cabinet is handling this well; and for sure they are preparing for a life after LPM. the chances of LPM continuing are narrow, medically. but everything is under control. it is even better that our president did not die at once; it gives cabinet time to prepare. cabinet and the chief justice will decide responsibly.
RB…this goes out to no one but you madala.What is happening to Levy?In the times when Sharon or even them Castros of the world,atleast evryone got a glipse of wat agwan that tym.I fully oversatnd(note:not understand)that the constitution does not allow you to be there(Plot 1) for i guess as long as it has taken.At the moment we ain´t having a army commander and just for the sake that Zambia claims to be a democratic country,it is high tym we had elections.How long did it take for Sharon never ever to hold that position and what where the reasons?Tell the truth…this is too or will be too late for too face apologies.
I hope and pray Zambians elects a Healthy, young, Highly Educated and Diplomatically inclined person to be the country’s next president…
Alarmist regrets spreading death rumour
THE Zambian who told South Africa’s Talk Radio 702 that President Mwanawasa had died has owned up and apologised to the President and his family, the people of Zambia and the international community for the pain and anguish caused.
Malone Zaza, a 26-year-old third year information systems student at the University of South Africa (UNISA) apologised after he reported himself to the Zambian mission in South Africa.
Foreign Affairs Minister, Kabinga Pande said in a statement issued in Lusaka yesterday that Mr Zaza appealed to the President and all concerned to forgive him as he was acting on a message he received from a Zambian phone number statin
My fellow country men and women, here is what the Zambian Constitution says:-
Under the Zambian law, ‘whenever the President is absent from Zambia or considers it desirable so to do by reason of illness or for any other cause, he may by direction in writing, authorise the Vice President…to discharge such functions of the office of President as he may specify and the Vice President or such other person may discharge those functions until his authority is revoked by the President.’
However, if the President is in such a state of incapacity, either by reason of physical or mental infirmity, of discharging the functions of his office and the infirmity is of such a nature that the Preside
#140 Moono, much respect you have the best comments and tell everyone what you meant by saying that “it is even better LPM did not die at sudden” so fellows we can buy time to find the next presido. I know we have nobody with qualities to success LPM. So let’s buy time now.
However, if the President is in such a state of incapacity, either by reason of physical or mental infirmity, of discharging the functions of his office and the infirmity is of such a nature that the President is unable to authorise another person in writing then the Vice President shall perform the functions of the office of the president.
Under the country’s law, a vacancy can be created in the office of President if under section (1) ‘…it is resolved by a majority of all the members of the cabinet that the question of the physical or mental capacity of the President to discharge the functions of his office ought to be investigated and they so inform the chief justice,’ who in turn wi
Katele Kalumba Said “ministers who did not have official party functions should stop making statements”.
I think indirectly he was telling RB. Who else making statements is not MMD. What happened to his wizardly antics anyone knows.
Under the country’s law, a vacancy can be created in the office of President if under section (1) ‘…it is resolved by a majority of all the members of the cabinet that the question of the physical or mental capacity of the President to discharge the functions of his office ought to be investigated and they so inform the chief justice,’ who in turn will appoint a board consisting of not less than three medical practitioners to inquire into the matter and report to the Chief Justice on whether or not the president is, by reason of any infirmity of body or mind, incapable of discharging the functions of his office.
‘If the board reports that the President is incapable of discharging the fu
‘If the board reports that the President is incapable of discharging the functions of his office, the chief justice will then certify in writing…and shall table such certificate before the national assembly who shall on a motion, passed by a two thirds majority ratify the decision of the board and thereupon the President shall cease to hold office.’
The assembly can also reject the decision of the board and cause a further inquiry into whether or not the President is incapable of discharging the functions of his office.
Someone will insult his father on this blog. I agree with #138 we have a constitution and administrative structures, there will be no power vacuum and no crisis. And Zambians wont allow anyone to cause confusion. and to #122 the thieves won’t be back we shall still put them where they belong
First and foremost i blame the journalist for asking such silly question.The answer to that question was known so for a seasoned journalist to ask if RB was coping was damn. Secondly the nation can only wait for so long , RB and his cronies better start preparing for an election.
mashabe, you need to understand journalism. this is a question any journalist worth their sort would want to ask. RB said he was getting support from cabinet, which is a positive thing to say. journalists in lusaka know it is unklikely LPM will come back to lead, so they must ask these questions. as to what i meant when i said it is better he did not die at once, may be there could have been more chaos in our country. some cabinet members might have wanted to use the fact that RB is not elected against a smooth transition. but now, they must be prepared for a time it is determined that LPM cannot continue.
Party watch dog, thank you for your insight into the constitution but i think what is lacking in our constitution is the driver to initiate the process within the cabinet.If for instance no one in cabinet dares to raise the motion does that mean the status quo will be maintained till the president recovers or dies. Is there no way an ordinary citizen can initiate the motion and force the cabinet to vote. We all know the cabinet is made of loyalists so it is practically immpossible for a member to raise such a motion. Please advise
chikumbuso, it is unthinkable that such a motion has been raised in cabinet. that would be tragic. the thing is such things are not supposed to be public, so that the procedures are followed within cabinet and the chief justice. imagine a situation where the country knew what the cabinet was discussing – the kind of pain to the first family!
unthinkable that such a motion has not been raised.
chikumbuso, i think the zambian cabinet is better than you suggest.
The problem we seem to have in Zambia is that we don’t have enough private media outlets except for the Post. We all know that the post is not digging deeper on this story because they are hiding something about ‘their’ man LPM. The gov’t will not come out with the true facts so that leaves Zambians in a total media blackout. What we need are at least 5 major private media outlets. I bet in if was Dr. Chiluba in ICU, the Post would have found a way of getting pictures just to discredit Chiluba. That is how the Post is biased. I just hope the next President should shut down fred m’membe and his biased Post. Amen.
# 152 my point is such a question has only 1 answer. There is no way in hell anyone can say no i am not coping.infact the question should have centred on particular issues like his position on Zimbabwe, corruption, economy etc, then his answers would have indicated if he is coping or not. That is what a seasoned and investigative journalist would have asked. I m not a journalist but i have admired the way Larry King of CNN, Debra Patta on E tv let politicians expose themselves.
as i said journalists know the truth about LPM’s condition, but it is not in their interest either to distabilise a country. let the process continue in cabinet. but i agree that chiluba would have been covered differently by the post. but circumstances are different; the post and its associated companies have so many contracts with the state today. so even chiluba would have been more respected in the current circumstances.
i cannot imagine Larry King focusing on a neighbouring country’s problems when his president is dying. there is no bigger story for zambian journalists.
157, you are talking nonsense. In this era of communication, you really don’t need the press to find out everything. Phone the hosipital in Paris and pretend that you related to the first leader and find out how LPM is. Now you are blaming the Post. The Post is being objective. Unless you have the facts, you can not just speculate, that is why Radio 702 in SA and Reuters who picked up the story blundered big time. In fact Levy can sue them for millons for damages. If you know more than what veep is saying about Levy, give us the facts and prove it. Even the Americans in Iraq are not releasing all the info about troop injuries and deaths.
may we rejoin united thank u.
Moono we could be speculating here. You are assuming that motion has been raised when infact not.My point was such that after a certain period has elapsed as Zambians we have a right to compel the cabinet to act.About the family’s agony we need to understand that the Mwanawasa’s lost their privacy the day LPM became president in that regard as sad as it may sound LPM’s sickness is a national issue and not a private matter. If the family needs privacy the LPM should resign. Imagine if LPM passed, would the Zambians accept a family only funeral? i dont think so
# 144. party watchdog, Thanks for the explaining the constitution, but constitution as explained by you does not deal with the current situation. Because the President did not find cause to appoint VP as acting president when he left the country. Its only on a few occasions were the Presidents (FTJ & LPM) has appointed an Acting President. The failure of this has implication on control of cabinet and security wigs. Curretly the VP only has powers of a VP not president, If he had been appointed as Acting President, He could have assumed all powers of the President. I find this as a crises for as long as they is no declaration by Cabinet to the effect that the President is incapacitated.
i was speaking from human perspective about the pain the first family would suffer, not legally what should happen. but it is unthinkable that cabinet will not discuss this situation, unless we have no leaders in there. there are constitutional lawyers in there. i think it is unreasonable speculation to think no one in cabinet has discussed the president’s illness and what should follow.
#161, I must say, I don’t agree with your view of things. I don’t think it is that easy to obtain info like that at a military hospital in france. The only way to obtain such info is if it was leaked by a gov’t informer (to the Post). You seem not to be well informed about the Iraq disaster. There is a lot of independant journalism on the Iraq war some material is even produced by american soldiers themselves. You can find plenty of material on You Tube, Google etc. The Post is the most biased media outlet in Zambia. IF you think the Post is objective then you don’t know anything about objective unbiased media. The Post needs to go.
An investigative journalist would have asked a different question.If you have followed the American presidential race you will see what sort of question the candidates are asked. Questions about how a candidate will handle a situation says a lot about his candidancy. I agree with mashabe the journalist should have asked wether Zambia is still following the same policies LPM was following or his approach was different.
The reason Why Zambian Presidents have rely been appointing VPs or Ministers to Act officially as Presidents has been because of mistrust. The have feared the acting president tempering with government activities, e.g dismissing appointing or dismissing commanders, ministers, authorizing ACC or DEC to prosecute protected persons ie Ministers. Taking over government.
Remember Butelezi of South Africa once declared war on Lesotho when he acted as President for a few days, Though the declaration of war was good in removing the Military rule in Lesotho, Mandela was not impressed with Butelezi when he came back from abroad.
But in our case we might be heading for a crises.
# 166 anonymous , our constitution allows for freedom of expression, so if the post does not want to express itself on LPM we cant force them. That is why there is competition we can simply go with a paper that is concentrating on LPM’s sickness.# 165 you are assuming a discussion has been made by cabinet we cant live by assuming.I agree with Nonhlanhla look at south africa when PW Botha steped aside FW de Klerk changed the whole policy and yet the were from the same party. And the change was effected immediately. So what is RB’s policy on Zimbabwe, that is what we want to know
the vice president should be elected and not be appointed by the president
it was wrong to appoint VP when MMD had no VP as a party
169 why shoud we go to zamzam when we still have problem in zed so there is NO RB policy on zamzam
I think Zambian Journalists have left the country wanting. Not much rocking of the boat has been done that is why the info flowing out is irrelevant.How can a journalist ask if RB is coping , how naive is that? How come not even a single interview with a family member , a french hospital official has been secured. This shows the level of Journalism in Zambia. No first hand information but only wait for CNN,BBC etc.Why has nt any radio station, TV, or the private media sent a journalist to France. Zambians should be the first to capture any extraordinary occurence and other foreign media houses should find out from Zambian journalists. This is a Zambian story and should be covered by Zambians
Eagle Eye, Zambia is the chair of SADC and therefore we need to say something on something affecting SADC. Besides that we are not an island.RB has not even said a single thing on the local policies.He is already showing signs of not being incharge. That is the danger of not having an elected VP. rb is totally at the mess of the MMD cabinet members. He is simply put a puppet of MMD cronies.That is why he has not addressed the nation and he hasnt stumped his authority. Someone in cabinet is running the country and it is not RB
no one knows the context of the press quote attributed to RB. we don’t know how much was asked and said. true, the journalists should have been to paris to follow this big story. but it is a warped comparison to think zambian journalists will cover the executive in the same way as the american journalists do. zambian journalists can only do their best in their resources. of course zambian journalism is so inferior.
I expect cabinet to raise the issue after two weeks from 3 July 2008. If not I expect the opposition to start asking questions. If they dont, then we are a docile bunch. We can even be ruled by a shadow.
the information is obviously managed strictly; otherwise the doctors would have held a press conference to announce their treatment of LPM. so i expect the cabinet to know exactly what the situation is in paris.
I dont wish myself dead, but I should come back home well, though not enough to continue being president anymore. Anyway you Zedians need a new government now. My cabinet should star rapping up now. The opposition should start revving up their engines because even my New Deal MMD will crumble once these these guys switch of their machine. My brain is aching & I cant even think, he..hee..my throat….
Great People, let not only focus on elections, Let think through on the general overview I dont think the President should continue appointing his vice? may Parliament should be highly involved.
Appointment of the VP should also be ratified by Parliament
#173 Actually the reality is that nobody is running the country at the moment; we are in autopilot. The family tree cronies who make up cabinet dont know what has hit them and are all under siege. This is starting to seriously affect the economy; the kwacha is already taking a steep and its without a doubt that all serious investors (not the chinese chancers) are starting to feel jittery about the future of their investments in Zed. This might mark a huge negative turn for the country if not well handled. I only hope someone is on top of things; though I seriously doubt it
iwe ka sarah ukamba chani
# 180,
You have carried on the idiocy from your mother haah??? It is the same idiocy that pushed into prostitution to have you of a confused mind.
Banda its not you to say you are copying well. Its the pipo to see and qualify that. Anyone can cope well where money and lavishness is concerned. Report on the condition of Levy and not on how well you are copying. How can you cope well when you are not even suited for that seat. What everyone knows is that VPs or Deputy PMs are chosen from very dull and un intelligent chaps-and mostly in Africa. Because they can easily be controlled. So, why have you started qualifying yourself when you are from that category?
# 182 is it possible to hold a decent and mature discussion with you with you resorting to lumpenic tantrums. I could think of a thousand senseless things to say to you or about you but I rarely sink that low. Let those who are capable of using their brains contribute to this forum. Verbal diarrhea doesnt have space on this forum, please take it to some teenage forum somewhere in cyberspace. Ok my brother. Peace
We really need to have the runner up to be vice president of the nation….nothing like appointing a retiree from his farm to come back and run the country!!NCC should hurry and have ratifications done ….but without LPM how?
Nchelebula has a point xcpt for one simple fact – even LPM was brought out of retirement.
There is a saying that “every people group deserves its leaders”
or the lack of them.
hey pipo wats happing pa zed am getting confused,how is the situation like……….!!!!!!!!
#187. fthp,England
Its easy to get confused when you are in England. Come back home! No one is confused here. We’ve got things under control
The blog is getting Boring Later guys….
It is not the vice president who should be coping well but the constitution which must run and allow him to perform.It is the constitution that must be followed even when there is the president or not.No in fighting must exist in any form because it is the constitution that must be adhered to.MMD is just a party runing government as of now and must not be allowed to disturb government and the governed.Whatever in fighting may exist should just exist within the part and just within it.These is the time we need the law efforcement agents whoever they are to be strict in every way possible so that law is upheld and avoid disturbance.
Disgusted spectator # 235,
Leave that game to our network. Surely we will summarily weed out these lumpen in delusion that the cyber space is their safest haven. We are very much alert and active even as we see them steering their malicious, inflammatory, defamatory and hate mongering garbage. Not the dual process but the marshal option of targeting will present us with a society accountable to their actions.FYI, useful leads on the LT Death monger “Chitonfwa France” have pointed to a regular blogger here going by the name Chapi who has been mutating & yesterday posted “INSAKA KUCHINJANYA”.
The death mongers data network
“Marlone Zaza-Chapi aka Chitonfwa France”
We gat them in proximity and will test the fire in their balls as real life games and accountability confront them. Watch the space and watch the episodes beyond theatrics.Zambia will progress strong and united free of kids on weeds. Nature and patriotism will is weeding them up. Whatever you are owed claim it now.
#192 Purifier
You need a shrink. What are you talking abt?