The proposed salary and allowance increments for ministers and constitutional office holders is in line with public service workers collective bargaining.
The Zambia Congress of Trade Unions (ZCTU) says when public service workers get a salary increment, ministers and constitutional office holders also benefit.
ZCTU president Leonard Hikaumba told ZNBC news that this practice is old.
He said there is no problem if ministers and constitutional office holders are awarded a 15 percent increment, as this is what public service workers got this year.
However Mr. Hikaumba said people should only worry if what ministers and constitutional office holders got, is more than 15 percent.
And the Anti Voter Apathy (AVAP) has strongly condemned Cabinet’s approval of salary and allowance increments for constitutional office holders.
AVAP Executive Director Bonnie Tembo said that it was sad that cabinet took advantage of President Mwanawasa’s absence who was strongly opposed to the increment.
He urged the ministers to focus on praying for president Mwanawasa’s speedy recovery and studying the national economy rather than awarding themselves hefty salaries at the expense of national development.
Mr. Tembo said the ministers should also consider the high poverty levels in the country before awarding themselves more money which should be channeled to addressing poverty.
Mr. Tembo has since called on the Vice President, Rupiah Banda, to reconsider and withdraw the cabinet’s approval of salary and allowance increment.
“We condemn cabinet for awarding itself the increments especially that we should not be celebrating over the wealth which has come before us but it’s the time that we should be praying and fasting for the recovery of the President who was instrumental to the creation of this wealth,” Mr. Tembo said.
He said that if there were extra funds government needed to first consider increasing salaries for civil servants or take it to poverty reduction initiatives to improve the general welfare of the people.
Mr. Tembo said this during the AVAP Advocacy Session on Constituency Development Funds (ASCDF) in Mansa yesterday.
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No way man! What’s with you Hikaumba? You think it’s fine to increase salaries for the cabinet, really? How bout fighting for another 15 % increament for the hard working doctors and nurses ..the miners…the teachers…working grave shifts for mother Zambia.. hah?! Those ministers are already over paid.
Zing chong,lusaka
Juphate Monde was better than LH of ZCTU. Even Shamenda was agressive in promoting workers ‘s rights and fighting for the common workers rather ministers in Cabinet because they have alot of allowances on GRZ expense.eg Fuel, hotels, Entertainment, medical. sending kids abroad for education.etc. This is not justfied and I hope Levy will fire some of this opportunistic leaders soon.
Zing chong,lusaka
Hikaumba, read between the lines, 8 million to 25 million is not 15 percent!!
Constitutional officers are entitled to increments also. Is it 15% Ok, As mentioned by a blogger yesterday, Our minister also need to earn incomes commensurate to their positions, Why should a Minister honestly earn less than a mid manager in a government company ie ZESCO, ZAMTEL Currently ministers earn less than Task force lawyers, High ranking military officers, doctors etc.
They are awarding themselves obscene amounts instead of being locked up in prayers and fasting for quick recovery of the President.
Iwe ci ZING CHONG, you dont know to use the computer, please write in the proper field.
Iwe ci ZING CHONG, you dont how know to use the computer, please write in the proper field.
Hikaumba used to be the spokes man for the workers and stand up for their rights against the Government. After he got invited to the state house though, it was a totally different story. This chap is finished he needs to step down
owe aba bakolokombwa bala twibila in dalama its interesting how they say they cant carry out important decisions without lpm but go on n award themselves such massive lumps of money!!!!
Leaders please take a leaf from leaders in Ivory Coast they sacrificed part of the monies to help foot the ever growing enegy bill!!!
Hikaumba is a hopeless sellout, he also rose to ZCTU presidency vying for big monies, rather than representing the workers. The bizarre & *****ic logic that a politician should earn more than others in other sectors is completely bull…t! The political arena has always been meant to be one of service, but the world over, crooks have learnt that this leads to absolute power, usurping it from the masses through the constitutional Acts & bylaws & pretending all their actions are for the benefit of the people, in this case, that if paid more, then they won’t be corrupted – if anything, they are corrupting our intelligence! If they feel underpaid, they are free to quit!!!
It looks hakaumba is also enjoying the $ in the absence of lpm.
The guy is also useless,i thought he has a brain!!Really,we don’t have leaders in zambia tht’s why zambia is A country where u can find everythin’ on stand still.
zambia is in chaoes!
Zambia soon will be like Zimbabwe!we’ll all become billionaires! maybe zimbabwe will be even better because whites left industries in tht country compared to zambia.investors will withdraw the money if stupid things continue like tht.
Pa Kwanja !!
So looks like Leonard has joined the orgy,
hmmm looks like ’em Tongas are learning the game hey,
yep becoming small crooks aswell,
HEHEHEHE,MIMI etal where at thou can you please feed me on this one…….
Ta.
Like the Ta, from 15. Where the boys to vivula the situation, looks like Gov wont back down on this coz they are the direct beneficiaries anyway. Lets do a small demo Zeds, if we can. A peaciful one tho. Somenody ought to listen to this!!
#16 Good idea but where do we start? And who are they going to listen to?
Peasant workers like de ones mentioned by #1 deserve a pay rise becah dem serve de whole nation night and day. And what about the millions of sufferahs inna di villages? Nobody seems to care ’bout dem except the Almighty One.
This is insane. Leo it took you days to react to the increases, hoping the the issue will go away. You do not deserve to be presedent of ZCTU. You suck when it comes to negotiating skills. Gov’t workers cannot get 15% across the board. Those at the higher end should get lower % rise. This guy stinks ,he should be impeached. Its people like him taking the country 44 year back. You should watch The Negotiator
Please read in between the lines!! Hikaumba is simply telling the cabinet misnisters that they wont go away with it. Hey he knows the simple mathematics that these *****s gave themselves more than 200% salary increment and in teasing them he says it is okay if that is not more than 15%. You guys should learn to read and understand the story very well. Hikaumba is condeming the cabinet diplomatically. They must be scared at this statement I am sure for they know that what they have awarded themselves is by far more than 15%. They know that should they go ahead with what the proposed, there will be problems from the civil service.Hikaumba has spoken in proverbs and they are panicking!!!
# 13 russia_moscow, welcome back mwaiche. Thank you for your comment.
Only time will tell hence time bomb is ticking.
Only time will tell hence the time bomb is ticking.
Nibwanji bena Tentamashmba,simunveka iyaaii,nishi banaku yo fyani manngi bena KK ka! ni bapa luapula baja steady.koma ndipo mwazimilatu manje party nibandani bakambilako party imwe?ni uzeni
I sincerely pray that all of us here are multi-tasked beings tangibly productive in our respective jurisdictions.Life is dynamic and not waiting for those misapplying their time to finish rhetorical undertakings.Own Children are growing up maybe without a maturing education fund in some securities, age is catching up and family responsibilities are exponentially mounting while blogging is taking a toll.A frequency Distribution in IP entries of some individuals is worrying.Be advised that unless you build critical mass on the ground, no Government has been born out of blog verbatims.A look at the server has 96% of this blogging traffic as verifiably Diaspora based.
# 16,
What sense does it make for you to advocate for a demonstration when you are just there in the USA blgging under pseudo IDs.But when plutocrats plant makamucheka in demos with short ones to load on us during the demo confusion, you are nowhere near or of help in our agony and the suffering of our families. Just few months ago Our two friends at UNZA just got loaded into their necks. What have you done to their fate and families whose hope has been shutttered following the physical damage sustained. Their families now distressed and disillusioned.If you want demos lead the way other than just talking thousands of miles a way in blogs.Tell us here that you are demo bound on freight #.
“FORMER Republican vice-president Enoch Kavindele has said ministers are holding Vice-President Banda at ransom to award themselves hefty salaries in the absence of President Mwanawasa…… because they know too well that he may need them to push an agenda.”
Yangu tata twaletwa!
Plundering made easy and official. Essential workers like Doctors, Nurses and other health workers, Agriculturists, Miners, Teachers and others, needed this increment more that Ministers and the so-called institutional workers. Politics is a voluntary job whose Actors are not supposed to be awarded such collossal amounts at the expense of the above mentioned workers and others that i may not have mentioned here.
#26 Anonomous, Remember Honking, NO THIRD TERM???? That sent a message to Chiluba and his cloonies. People dont necessarily have to go out in a group but maybe repeat the HONKING FOR NO INCREAMENTS FOR CABINET. Iam pretty sure Lusaka and the rest of the country would catch up in the cause for whats right and send a message to the looters. Diasporias dont need to be there you all can do it, we are in support of you though far.We can do it peacefully, One Zambian One Nation.
Hikaumba just step down and go back to the village. You have outlived your usefullness. It is indeed a SHAME that such words can come from your mouth. Shame!
#26 Anonymsi akalipa lelo.
From what I understand, the salary increment will be from something like K8 million to K25 million. This is an increase of USD$7530.12 (At the current exchange rate). Now though this wil provide short run benefits for the ministers, in the long run it’ll be detrimental to the economy because at the moment, govt needs all the money it can get for national development and infrastructure development.
Instead of increasing salaries, govt can carry out a rural poverty reduction project like the electrification of rural areas through solar panels.
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Now solar panels range from prices of about USD$500.00 to USD1,200.00 depending on the watts they give. Now the most expensive I have seen costs about USD$1081.00 and provides about 224 watts. Now I am no physics student nor am I an engineer but I will use my perception and assume that is enough to power one hut. This will provide a hut with a renewable energy source which they can use for light during the night and they can use a 2 plate cooker to prepare there meals and cam have small geezers for hot water. This would result in less trees being cut down due to finding other methods of cooking. They’ll be able to drink safe boiled water and there standard of living would have
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improved by a small percentage. What can also happen is they can be night school in which parents or people who never had the chance to get an education can have a chance to empower themselves through education.
Others can also start some businesses that rely on electricity like having a chicken run or something. All this can be done by just a few investments of a couple of thousands of dollars to get solar panels for villages (which will count as infrastructure development).
So for salary increments, i’ll say let us develop the nation first, then we’ll talk about the increments.
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Hikaumba is being “Diplomatic” Diplomatic?We do not want diplomacy in times of failing things.For how long are we going to stay with your hogwash diplomacy?Diplomacy died long time ago.Its time for action.You want to be diplomatic to a prostituting wife?Go hang body.
HIKAUMBA WHETHER DIPLOMATIC OR NOT IS SIMPLY A TRAITOR NOW.#10 IS RIGHT.MOST OF OUR ONCE VIBRANT UNION LEADERS HAVE SUNK INTO OBLIVION ONCE THEY VISIT STATE HOUSE.WHAT DO THEY ‘GET’ FROM THERE? THOSE SAYING IT IS RIGHT FOR THE SO-CALLED MINISTERS TO GET A PAY RISE ARE SHORT SIGHTED.MAY BE THEY ARE BENEFITING FROM THIS MANNA COME EASY PA ZED.BY THE WAY WHAT DO THE MINIONS OFFER PA ZED APART FROM THEIR MEANINGLESS SPEECHES.TO THE FELLOW BLOGGERS KEEP THE TORCH BURNING!!!!!
y didnt they consult levy on the increment
I had always under-estimated Hikaumba’s idiocy and lack of reasoning!!! The least he could have done is keep quiet.
why not face the issue squarely,no need for ill feeling.every human being works not for entertaimnet but to make money.mhh….how many blogers would’nt love their salaries increased.cabinet just has to follow right procedures and as a prudent realist suggest the nation advocate for a minimal increment to these salaries to reduce gov’t expenditue and save our economy……be realistic
#38, they didn’t consult him because he’s dead! Come to think of it, all these government chaps are brain-dead! I’m really fed up with the way Zambians are taken for granted, mwe!
Where’s Miss Pretty so i can flirt with her and ease this tension?
Nadabwa! Nadabwa!!!!
Kaya Kaya!
Kukamba no tapa zambili!!
Who shall fill my pots?
Where shall we turn to? Kwacha going bananas and the economy too! I am sure we shall be having them for supper!
Missing ba Levy! Get more money for meaningfully developing the economy! Its crawling and you are busy fattening your pockets!!
Awe sure!!
#41 Children access this wib, mind the way you use the terms.
We must not polute the young ones.
This increament is unjustified and should be condemed in TOTALITY WHETHER 15% OR MORE. Our ministers already get far more than they deserve. Why should they start pushing for something their president, “HIS EXCELLENCY LEVY PATRICK MWANAWASA” was totaly against.
And i find it imoral for ministers to compare themselves to managers of productive companies parastatal included, i mean we pay the taxes not these unprodutive ministers. I would rather the increament is award to PEMSECs because these are the pipo who do everything for ministers. ABASH SALARY INCRMT 4 MINISTERS ABASH!
# 20 If thats the case, then its fine though Hikaumba has changed to some extent. Do you think he can effectively fight for a 200% as well.
bayamba kuba kaili,ba mwine levy is away,leo the bandana are making you stop thinkiing
THE COMMENT BY HIKAUMBA SHOULD NOT COME AS A SUPRISE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT HE IS IN THE MMD POCKET. DEPLOMACY OR NO DEPLOMACY HE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HIS COMMENT TO HIMSELF. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE WELL MEANING ZEDIAN WHO WOULD SUPPORT SUCH IDIOCITY FROM OUR MINISTERS ESPECIALLY THAT LPM IS STILL IN HOSPITAL
I thought I said this yesterday when somebody asked about the trade unions. Hikaumba does dress rehearsed speeches against LPM when it is convenient, this guys loves money and women period that is all he cares for.
failure Hikaumba,zwa,zwa,zwa,and leave poor zambia for us poor.you and chi Mike Mulongoti you are very rich that you don’t fit to work for poor people of zambia.how can mike say we are practising politics of poverty.Mike you in a poor zambia and we are poor because of your poor polices,poor management of our country’s resources.MIKE ZWA.ZWA.
SO THESE CRONIES ARE TIRED OF PRAYING FOR LEVY’S “QUICK RECOVERY.” THEY THINK IT’S HIGH TIME THEY DEVOTED THERE PRAYERS TO PAY HIKES. SHAME ON THEM.
INDEED SHAME ON THEM NIGGAZ. THESE NIGGAS ASSs STINK. AND ALL YO IN SUPPORT OF THIS F*CKED UP STUPIDITY F*CK TOO!
GO BURN IN HELL
Hikaumba is a compromised guy. ZCTU has lost its relevance and vibrance. How about a maximum of two 5yr terms for The ZCTU presidency. May be this will bring in some vibrancy in the union mother body. In other countries unions like ZCTU are dreaded, even ZCTU under our former president FTJ was dreaded, wats up with the Hikaumba lead ZCTU. Man we need to hear yo strong voice against this abnormal salary increment, conviniently done in the abscence of LPM who opposed them in the firts place
#40 I agree with you. Recently KCM workers were granted a salary increment and still think its not enough. Money will never be enough but for God’s sake these parley guys shud not grant themselves such hefty amounts in the absence of LPM. Let us continue praying and not asking people to pray meanwhile you plan ill.
Hikaumba probably has political ambitions in the MMD just like most other trade unionists have done in the past.
Why should they get 15% in the first place?what have they achieved coz the poverty datum line is still crystal clear and wide!!Leonard pliz spare us from that crap…don’t evn support ba nyandule aba!!
But is it really 15%?
May be he also wants to be President who Knows?
I agree with #44 comments on this issue and to top it all off, it’s a shame that these people decided they needed increments when the president is still trying to recover in hospital.
One is left to wonder if they are using this most unfortunate and hard time that the country is going through to their benefit.
I think it is time for Levy to look at his Cabinet in a different light, like the Lord said, it is not everyone who calls on my name who will enter the kingdom of God. What this means is that it is not everyone who calls Mwanawasa YOUR EXCELLENCY is necessarily part of him. Mwanawasa has made mistakes sometimes but if he ever comes back to lead this country he might want to re-examine the people that surround him. This behaviour by his cabinet is a clear show of arrogancy and insurbodination, how can your boss say do not do this and you wait for an opportunity for him to be incapacitated to pass something that he had rejected, I see this to be worse that calling for a successor, because…
contd 59… what Teta said was an opinion and this has been actioned which makes Teta a lesser devil, this for me is a very selfish move by this cabinet and irresponsible to say the least, and it is unfortunate that the people through whom civil society speaks have now turned against the same people that gave them the mandate. This is very serious and for me this should teach us two lessons, first to provide for a Presidency with questionable health to avoid a recurrence of this and secondly not to trust the MMD. It really shows that all the economic gains we have made were anchored on one man and a few cabinet ministers and these gains are threatned with this sort of carelessness
Why is VJ supporting this nonsense of increaments?is he back to rig?that shud be an attractive package for a broke man like him !!
contd 60… and it shows the ambivalent nature of zambian politicians. This has dire consequences for us as a people, can we be trusted? Are we a people that respect authority? Do we say one thing and do another? Do we portray a very religious outlook but our deeds and completely different. This is also a lessson to these churches who are riding on this wave, they will find it difficult to explain their association with these politicians should they work up one day and go against the constitution because that is tantamount to theft.
This is what happens when you have people who dont understand the plight of the workers. Hikaumba does not represent the workers at all, ZERO, check the way he talks, dresses, the type of vehicle he uses…, you think he is for the suffering masses? Kuliiibee!!!. Joyce Nonde is far much better than Hikaumba. Thats why she has even resisted the MERGE being championed by him.
As a trade unionist, you don’t compromise. There is no diplomacy when dealing with corrupt leaders. Leach Walesa, Shamenda, Monde, Walamba, these were real trade unionists. We should try Emily Sikazwe next as ZCTU boss, and you will see the change.
Ayitaya Hikaumba!
Hikaumba is a rational forward thinking man. He is the most humble leader ZCTU has ever had.
It is not justified for a public service worker to get more money than individuals in the private or productive sectors as this would mean a drain on the resources in these sectors to government positions!!!
Hikaumba is right. You chaps making noise here, does anyone cry foul when your tuma salaries are increased?? They deserve salary increments just like the rest of workers.
If the head from ZCTU Say this is normal, then it is well done.But the amount is too exaggerated and that means they are not promoting wealth among its locals.This guys want to have there plates full and imagine the guys from the opposition parties are silent, where is Lubinda, Siki,Scott? you mention them.I thought they will say NO, that that is stealing the countries resources hahaha! these guys are crazyyyyyyyyyyyy
it make me sick to the stomach when *****s like this claim to speak for the workers? when we have students been shot at just for a mere increase in their BC, and other govt workers been denied an increase just the same 15% they are claiming.
where are we heading to? someone is happy that levy is sick and benefiting from it, our people.
stupid tonga
# 66 Does the same apply for NGOs, Some NGO leaders have extremely become wealthy than they were before being in NGOs, eg Sikazwe mentioned as an example of a good leader has amassed so much wealthy comprising Houses, buildings e.t.c. AFRONET collapsed because of abuse of money. They became so active in condemning government such that it becames difficult for them to be counter checked by government.
Hikaumba is couragous to raise support, He has said its ok if its 15%. Minister like other government workers need a pay raise. Ministers have not had a pay raise in a long time. This can be counter checked with parliamentary resolutions because parliament approves salaries for them
# 63 well said maybe we should try Emily Sikazwe and Joyce Nonde is the one.
Ladies & gentlemen,now i fully understand what’s going on.Hikaumba has stated that this law for increments is old & it says if public service workers get an increment,it should be the same for constitutional office holders so really the only sin here is that the whole process is untimely especially since the President was against the increment anyway,they should have at least waited as Levy Mwanawasa who is still President was against the increase.
Now let’s ask ourselves one question,what would we do if the Ministers decided not to award themselves the 15% increment but allow public service workers to get it,would we still call them plunderers?I think it’s the law that needs to be changed.
In an environment of high taxes and high costb of production means amid a situation of high unemployment levels. raising public services workers to such austronomical amounts will not propel the Countrys proudction sector as most of the big brains in these sectors will opt to work for GRZ. Now on the NGO these are issues here and there as being rich is also relative especially that most of them are working as consultants and still on GRZ payroll and it also depends on the kind of NGO (ZEDIAN or International?) for one to be rich as this is all translated in the levels of controls and how one has personalised the acct for the NGO, but the bottom line is they are not public workers and they de
Why does it have to be now that the President is not able to say anything? These pipo are just taking advantage. They should wait for the right time. And 15% yes is better. Why do they want to give themselves over 100% when civil servants were given 15%?
I fully agree with #28, a good doctor is more essential to the nation than a good politician, who will need the services when he falls ill. If we had well paid doctors in Z, there would be no need for our president to be treated abroad.
#33-35 Free-Market-Capitalist, I think you have the right ideas to uplift Zambia, though I don’t agree with all you say. You sound business oriented, I’m on a brain-storming spree to find serious Zambians with whom I can set up businesses back home. Are you in the US? Please let me know IF you are interested.
Mu Zambian@ # 73
Are you actually saying all public service workers don’t deserve an increase(inluding drivers,cleaners etc)? I think they deserve more.
I also don’t agree with you when you say big brains will opt for govt if govt workers got good pay,i would say their will be productivity & levels of corruption would come down,eg in UK,it’s almost impssible to bribe a Policeman,council worker etc coz they get paid even better than most office workers in private sector so the zed situation is just bad that the Ministers too get the same increase irrespective of the inbalance between perks between them as seniors & the rest of juniors.
Hikaumba has not abused his position for favours or riches. Those who know and have worked with Hikaumba will agree with me. Some chaps in unions use their position to improve their lives and seek favours.
With regards to NGOs leaders, most of them are self appointed who in turn appoint their own board members. Most prominent Zambian NGOs are a sham in exception of UNIONS, YWCA RED CROSS and other societies. Other NGOs operate like some Zambian private newspapers, the condemn government so that they can claim to be victimized if the government wants to investigate anything about them. As a result donor money is plundered without any one checking. Wake Up Zambia. Remember AFRONET, ZIMT
Look, we will continue to condemn and condemn this scandal…until it is approved by parliament. After which we won’t be able to do anything about as it will be law. Lets be more practical and responsible, lets take ownership and start looking at ways of stopping this…any bright ideas out there?
Not please read between the lines the issue is about high positions and also the fact that reality should prevail in the environment being considered. Public service workers deserve a payrise just like any workers out there but this should be done in such a way as to encourage private initiative otherwise man being an animal will opt for the easier option of being in GRZ. The issue of bribing in the UK is all related to how the salaries of public workers have been structured to be above the risk free salary (Salary were you do nothing) and secondary the environment in terms of job prospects and reference checks prevailing in the UK which is not the case in ZED.
Issues like the job market in particular sectors, average salaries in a sector and the skills availability in a sector are not considered in ZED hence UK is not a good comparator!!!
What is AVAP. AVAP has no members but an NGO created as a result of a primary school teacher, who individually appointed himself as Executive director then brought one fellow teacher to help him build an organisation. The NGO has a lot of money now. They pay themselves more money than salaries of a number of teachers put together. No one questions. Remember this money is from donors for development activities. Why is AVAP questioning the Salary of a constitutional officers. How much is to much. Lets be realistic. However, I do not think AVAP abuses money but others like SIKAZWE have plundered so much money and no one seems to bother.
What is AVAP. AVAP has no members but an NGO created as a result of a primary school teacher, who individually appointed himself as Executive director then brought one fellow teacher to help him build an organisation. The NGO has a lot of money now. They pay themselves more money than salaries of a number of teachers put together. No one questions. Remember this money is from donors for development activities. Why is AVAP questioning the Salary of a constitutional officers. How much is too much. Lets be realistic. However, I do not think AVAP abuses money but others like SIKAZWE have plundered so much money and no one seems to bother.
You should not compare how much corporate exceutives earn to Minister.
Ministers do nothing apart form sitting in their offices. Permanent secretaries do all the work. for ministers, its 30 min PR job. they are idol.
Look at Vera Chiluba Tembo Wamutharika.
she is idol and u wnat to increase her salary
days will catch up with you
ba shetani imwe.
Zig Zag Maza – Who is Vera Chiluba Tembo Wamutharika ?
nkaambo bapombo aaba bafwubaala! Unfortunately all corporate executives are professionals and Im afraid I can’t say the same for the ministers, most of whom are occupying their seats because of selfishness and not because they have the brains and know how. Maybe if they also consider their academic and professional qualifications they can categorise who gets how much. Kasimpe inga mwacita compare people like Vera with Chriticles and others! Mpale maningi
I see no reason why ministers should have that increament while our dedicated civil servants like nurses and teachers are on slavery salaries compared to the work they do.Please Mr Hikaumba try to look at these pipo before you ok on your fellow apamwambas.
#20 Abena Copperbelt,I agree with you that Hikaumba has spoken in proverbs,but surely as a Union leader he shud be hitting the nail on the head and just go ahead and condemn these MMD cabinet thieving heartless politicians.For evil to prevail good people must do nothing.There is no need for diplomacy when dealing with national issues,it is this same useless diplomacy which has made these Mad Movement for Dogs take advantage of the Zambian people.Zambia is a country of cowards,a trade union leader is supposed to stand in defense of the poor masses not be idle like this Hikaumba.Shame on you!!
It is very interesting to note that people are now missing LPM now that he is ill.
Talk..Talk…no solutions !! Thats the Zamnbian style..what a pity for a nation that has so much to offer. If we can only start believing in ourselves..just a little bit more. Okay it is the law as Hikaumba has stated, but the timing is wrong. We can direct the money intended for this to so many things that need to be addressed urgently such as Health, Education and Social security which are pillars for any nation.
Mu Zambian,i really cannot comprehend what you’re trying to put across.The comparison between the UK & Zambia was an example due to what u said initially,i deduced you said having the Zambian civil service earning good money will reduce productivity in private sector coz everyone will want to work for the govt but i don’t see any logic as that will in effect reduce corruption as the civil servants who are known to be the most corrupt will stick to doing their jobs effectively & efficiently eg Passport Officers will issue ppts on time instead of soliciting for bribes by using delaying issuance deliberately,the Police will not mount fake road blocks etc
I Hikaumba He is a rational forward thinking man. He is the most humble leader ZCTU has ever had.
I think Hikaumba Is only desplaying his Diplomacy in his criticism,which is good in itself. However, our selfbased politicians don’t need this. Just shoot them straight in the bellies so that they become deflated….Pantu fyonse fyalina.
#91 Mwiinga,Lusaka Zambia,Yes Hikaumba is humble,but what we need is not humbleness we need a hard working Union Leaders who stands up for the poor Zambian people.This man sleeps with the MMD.He has compromised too much,he has killed Trade Unionism in Zambia.Believe me hate Chiluba or love him,as a Mwana Shimaini growing up in CB,I so what a real Trade union leader can do,Chiluba without fear or favour is the best trade uion leader Zambia has ever had though he may not have been a good President!He was brave enough to face Super Ken wamuyaya,Kumulu Lesa Kaunda panshi.He was even sent to jail a few times by Kaunda but he stood firm.Hikaumba is a toothless watch dog.He should resign!!
A debate without solutions is meaningless…..tell me..are you able to stop this process?…how?…this is a democracy, a govt of the poeple..(we the people)..LT how can we collect signatures in support and against this motion?…..anyhow, i still think a little increament would motivate the ministers as they wait to be delt with by His Excell….cy!
political camerions like Teta can only work with a little more cash in their pockets as they wait there case.
Hikaumba has done nothing wrong & i don’t see why he is being criticised,ZCTU & other workers welfare unions are in the forefront to make sure workers get a decent wage so they should be pleased that at least the ordinary civil servants have got a decent increase although still not enough as ordinary civil servants receive almost nothing at the end of the month and have no special allowances so the only inbalance is that Ministers receive allowances on top of that and it has been the case for a long time,Ministers shouldn’t automatically get an increment when other civil servants get an increase that’s what sucks coz their pay is way too much above what ordinary civil servants get.
Corruption cannot be reduced by the mere increase in salaries but a change in the attitudes and values that prevainling in Zambia. The whole point is that public service which is for everyone should not exceed that which is paid in the private sector as the whole process will result or reduce private sector initiative. Salaries alone have never been associated with reduced corruption but a whole broad spectrum of issues such as reference checks for employees fired due to corruption, levels of check by independent bodies for officers in public office, corrective measures taken, levels of institutional controls, social sercurity in the environment in which workers operate etc
Imagine a police officer paid k15 MILLION who is not under any direct scrutiny by an independent body and also knowing that money has never been enough – What is to prevent such an officer from soliciting for money cash and letting his salary remain as a saving after ALL he or she has other additional income in terms of bribes!!!
#95 Zeddy,Hikaumba is being criticised not just because of this one issue,he has been a let down in many issues.Zambian workers are mistreated by Chinese and other so called foreign investors and he remains humble.What has he done for the families who lost their sons in Chambishi explosions,how much compasation has been paid?What about the workers in Maamba?The list of his humbleness is endless.Even Hikaumba’s pay is way above and too much compared to what ordinary workers who pay him get!
we need to evacuate Hikaumba to a brain speacialist hospital somewhere in France lest he become stable!
#97 Mu Zambian,man you have really said something so true.Money is never enough.Whats needed is change of attitudes.Increasing Ministers salaries has never stopped them from stealing,infact they are stealing even more in form of increaments!!
The Zambian parliament is useless.They rubber stamp every nonsense.what have they ever done for the people?They do only what is good for their pockets!!
#95 U shuold learn to understand issues,listern to what #93 has said. That is what is required to percieve. Ngwele iwe. U can’t even reason about what #97 has said. Limbi U’re one of those who have never tested the pressures of a desk after completion of secondary school education. See what happened Pa Unza. Don’t be dull iwe. Let’s just submit signatures against this. May be this will help us other than just debating kie so.
Whats with this Hikaumba does he have shares in this? Look at the poverty line in zed 83%, And the so called ministers who ca’t even make right decisions or better yet think want to enrich themselves. Whats wrong with Money Banda to approve such a nonsense in parliament. This thing of 15% salary increment for cabinet is crayz, these guyz should be consierate of other people, IF i was LPM i would suck VEEP for insurbondination. Such thing LPM has the right to approve. Zed people we should stand up and act against these theives we call our ministers!
Hikaumba should go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Back in the days when Hikaumba was a loud mouthed critic of the government & leader of the Civil Servants and Allied Workers Union of Zambia (CSAWUZ,we called him a hero today he’s insulted by some of us calling him a puppet of the government without proper justification,the world is not a fair place to live in eh.Last year we were complaining of civil servants getting peanuts,the unions affiliated to Hikaumba’s led ZCTU fight for an increment today the increment is in effect just because it also affects Ministers it becomes bad,blame the laws & not Union leaders.Hikaumba cannot change laws,it’s the people.
#94 the point is that they ve no work unless u consider reading speaches prepared byothers or offiating public functions work
Guys the whole issue is not about what leo said. Its about current practice. Am in management myself and waht happens is that whenever unionised workers recieve salary increaments we also benefit by a similar percentage..What we should be arguing about is whether their proposed increamnts are more than 15percent. So lets not misquote the ZCTU boss and twist the statement.
UMU C/BELT @ 102
Let’s not rush to name calling when we don’t agree on principle,digest all comments carefully instead of just typing crap.I am one who just doesn’t believe in criticising with the masses without seeing the scale & what’s at stake,balance views carefully & read what Hikaumba has said,it’s clear the laws of Zambia say when civil servants get a pay rise,constitutional leaders also get the same so is it Hikaumba’s fault,come,wake up,we are the ones to fight for change in laws.By the way,what do u mean testing pressures of work after high school,you must be a teenager eh,am not & have worked for almost 15 years now.
This shows why we insist that HH is not presidential type.This is bcos Tongas whether educated or not, a very weak leaders. Hear what this bastard is telling the nation. Ministers and MPs are already comfortable.Why pay them even 15% pay rise?? Zambian Ministers do not deserve this because there is nothing they have done so far to deserve this pay rise. Look at the roads and general infrastracture in the country, it is deplorable and in a mess!! Our ministers have not be working for the people instead they only work for their pockets and stomachs. *****s, fools. Zambians please wake up!!
gentlemen read btween the lines.Zeddy n Miinga are some of the bloggers usually with inteligent blogs.The problem they ve here is that Hikkaumba is Tonga like them.Hence there useless contributions today
ha ha ha,# 110 i ain’t Tonga neither would i feel bad if i was one as we are one people,let us not sink so low & start the tribal rubbish or behave like teenagers or some of us here teenagers,i am made to think so as just the grammar itself tells all.
109 & 110 watch out.
How much do you think Emily Sakazwe gets at Women for Change and also How much was Task force on plunder boss Mark Chona getting. lets compare salaries before we complain about Ministers.Bishop Mambo was also paid sufficient money as a Bishop. Why do we want our ministers to get less money. We are assume Ministers have a lot of money. Yes are some thieves while some are not. Let thieves be delt with regardless of whether in print media, NGOs or Politics. Lets appreciate our leaders and fight corruption at all levels even in our midst.
Buju tell them
am a proud tonga,but i a,int cheap like hiki man.the man clearly has mmd,plot one briliant ideas
They wont get away with it!! Hikaumba, we also need more from you!! Are you so dull and uneducated that you cant see where this is all leading to. This is the time we need really union Leaders not popcorns like you!! Stupid wanker!! Watulekelela!!
Are you fools. Why do you sink so low in your debates, I have worked so hard to reach my level of status. Do not bring old stories here.
Emily should not be an issue as what she has have been acquired through her hard work and perseverance and not trying to still from the Zambian Tax payers as is the case with public jobs!!!
I agree with #29. Lets start tomorrow from 17hrs to 18hrs honking for ‘NO SALARY INCREMENTS fOR MINISTERS, MPs and Permsecs’. I will be along Cairo road myself. Just watch me in my lady driven nissan. We need to act now before it goes to paliament. Otherwise once approved there, it will be too late to act. It will send messages to Maureen who will in turn advise them not to go aheard.
I firmly and strongly agree with 119. Lets do it. I will honk too, I ll be around manda hill around that time in my Taxi.
#116 I agree with you. Hikaumba should be fixed before this goes very far. He actually should have been in the fore front to oppose the salary increment. What a Union Leader! In the times of Chiluba or Japhet Monde you could have seen a diffrent taste. Whats wrong with this young man. He is just too daft to be a Union Leader!! For now he has to prove his calibre of leadership by taking a stronng stance on the increment. What is surprising me is that Hikaumba doesnt seem to read the mood of Union Members, who he represents and live with, when he made this statement. He might have been in a stupor!! We expected a more stronger statement from him, this wizard!!
Emily Sikazwe, Silvia Masebo, Regina Chiluba, Lozindaba, I can kill for any of the above women.
That gives you an ideal of how boring your debating has become!
#121 Thanks! Hikaumba should apologise and issue another stronger statement because what he said is not represenattive of the feelings of the unionized workers. He should should not behave like a rollercoaster but should show some sense of leadership. Hikaumba, please apologise for your weaker statement if at all you have morals!!
#120, you’ll be in a Taxi and you want me to honk in my car and it gets impounded? What nonsense!
119 thnkyou for the information. I think its time to act and not just discuss endlessly. I will be honking too. My car is a black toyota hilux. I am likely to be along Addis ababa in the direction of northmead. I will be honking. And ai mnot just writing, I am serious about it. The problem in Zambia is that we just talk and no action.
I will also honk. Between 5:30 and 6 P.M, I shall be driving along Chilimbulu road beyween Kamwala and Chilenje. My car is a white Toyota Premio. I shall be honking and hope other motorists will join in!!
**when public service workers get a salary increment, ministers and constitutional office holders also benefit.
ZCTU president Leonard Hikaumba told ZNBC news that this practice is old.**
One small step by man; but a giant step for mother Zambia – If honking (17oo hrs – 18 00hrs) is the first step to stopping this unjustifiable selfish act and a way to express our solidarity – I will be there. Spread the news… It has begun !
Lets meet tomorrow, I suggest main post office. I will be wearing a yellow dress standing by the entrance. I hope some one can organise T-shirts, Lets as Emily Sikazwe and Bishop Mambo they might help
I’ll inform my friend at the traffic office to check on you guys who have given your vehicle descriptions and arrest you for inciting unlawful conduct likely to cause unrest in a peaceful country.
Black Toyota Hilux Addis Ababa
Toyota Premo along Chilumbula road
Taxi at MandaHill
A print out from this blog will be used as evidence in court.
#131 Musula obe! muzungu anikonde!
Anonymous, you have never impressed me. I wonder whether you are a kid or just a foolish adult.
……carefull please…no violence….cool and calm protest if you will…
# 131 whatever !! no intimidation will stop us. Bring it on !
Mailo ni mailo!! I cant wait!!
cant wait too. my car is a yello cresida i will be along great east road.
i cant stand a black man.
i cant stand a black man.
#139-139 Go and hang yourself if you cant stand a black man bcoz this is a black man’s land whether you cant stand him or cant sit him you cant avoid him, the MUBUYU tree is waiting for you to hang yourself!
just counting hours before I go hooooooooooooooooooonking!!!!
Good point # 140 I don’t see how this chap # 139’s comments are tied to the topic at hand MUZI NKALA ZEE If you don’t have anything to say unlike bring in racist comments degrading people of African decent.
#141 we don’t care how many hrs to whatever you have to do, can you contribute positive comments you Hyenas.
well said Leonard Hikaumba – we dont Leaders to be paupers especially if they have productively turned the country around and generated US $ 1 billion in reserves.
It reminds me of the period after independence banene.
It is interesting to see how people can easily get confused with a simple statement. I know that God did not evenly distribute the gift of intelligence. Further, we learnt the Queen’s language at different schools.
The statement I gave was just in answer to one question posed by a ZNBC reporter. He wanted to know WHETHER THE INCREMENT WAS DONE IN A NORMAL MANNER.
My answer was just to indicate what the practice has been in the past. I did not give an opinion whether the increment was okay or not. I would have given an opinion had I already seen the Bill that seeks to revise the emoluments in question.
From the comments, it is clear that most of the contributers were just emotiona
If we are going to have such shallow analysis, as has been displayed by most, I can not wonder why Zambia is in such a mess as it is now. Only a few very careful readers were nearly able to correcty interpret what my message was all about.
Wither to Zambia with kind of midocrity in analysing??? No wonder we miss the target.
Intellectualism is what Zambia is lacking. Yes, we lack great thinkers.
6 Do not expose your ignorance publicly like that, who told you high ranking officers in our defence forces get anything higher than ministers? For your own information not even defence force chiefs get as much as eight million kwacha. Theirs is a noble career just as i ‘wrongly’thought politics was. Politics is a wrong choice career for those who think there is milk and honey in it, its for the people with the urge to serve society.
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