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War veterans remembered

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President Banda having a badge pinned on his chest before laying wreaths
President Banda having a badge pinned on his chest before laying wreaths

President Rupiah Banda Sunday led service chiefs,High commissioners, members of the diplomatic core and senior government officials in laying wreaths in remembrances of fallen heroes of the first and Second World War.

President Banda arrived at the cenotaph at 08: 45 hours and lay his wreath in remembrance of the war heroes at the cenotaph in in Lusaka, Sunday.

Justice Ernest Sakala, Deputy Speaker of the National Assembly Amusa Mwanawabwa, service chiefs, ex-service Legal chiefs and other head of international organizations followed in laying wreaths.

The ceremony was graced with a prayer by Zambia National Service(ZNS ) chaplain Henry Malifeyo who

Service chiefs laying wreaths
Service chiefs laying wreaths

also read a bible scripture from the book of Isaiah chapter 2 verses 2 – 5.

Chaplain Malifeyo said there was need to respect the gallant men and women who fought in the 20th century.

Zambia Air force ZAF, Major Fr Eugene Nyambe prayed for peace to prevail in the countries that have mass destructions peace to also prevail in Zambia.

Fr Nyambe also prayed for God’ blessing for the war torn countries Sudan and Congo DR for peace in the two countries.

ZANIS/AH/ENDS/MM

172 COMMENTS

  1. One of my saddest moments as a Zambian was when I visited
    the World War memorial site in Livingstone. The Zambian fallen heroes were merely listed as “natives” while the colonialists were listed by name. They fought for a good cause but its good that we no longer have to fight other people’s wars.

  2. Does anybody know why RB is called Nyama Soya and why? I seem to have missed this one. I know why the late was called chuchu and cabbage or vegetable

  3. It has something to do with the way he looks. There is a product in Zambia called Nyama Soya. Some Zambians have always believed that consumption of soya causes one to look bloated (like someone we know).

  4. Guys, I can’t stand the man either, but I have to say that I have seen much uglier faces on this planet than his. In fact these photos are very good quality compared to the photographic standards we Zambians are used to.
    Anyhow, let us pay trbute to the martyrs and freedom fighters, who laid down their lives for our liberation. The struggle continues!

  5. nangu naufulwa bati you can always find something to make you laf pa LT, his italian counter part goes for plastic s often to aquire alittle more human apearance

  6. #10 Suppergal. Are you referring to Berlusconi? The guy is a real nut case. Did you hear what he said about Obama in his congratulatory message?

  7. ROGUE# the guy is a nut case case for real but he is known for out of contest jokes n racist too.elo li ule chatemwa tu sweet 16

  8. No2- Sometimes l wonder whether africans really understood what the war was really about.My guess is they were fighting a war that had nothing to do with them and one they did not understand.
    In america there is what they call- defered honor that is the honor that bill clinton bestowed on the black americans who fought in the world wars but were never recognised in history.If my memory serves me correct france is still yet to recognise the blacks who fought with its troops in the world wars.

  9. My father was a war veteran and fought in Somalia,Eden, Burma and other Asian countries and i was even granted a bursary during my school days to study at KATETE because of my father’s time in the World War 2,MAY HIS SOUL REST IN INTERNAL PEACE,The British Government has all the records and we were invited as a family to attend the Cenotaph Memorial services,My mother still treasures the Medals that my late father wore every year in the month of November,Im now 57 years old but its good that Zambia still remembers the war veterans,though Cabinet office can still do more to the Zambian war veterans,like revive the bursary scheme and offer other benefits to the families.

  10. #1, 4, 12, 13 & 16 You contributions are ‘wicked’. :))) I really laughed altho it is not funny. # 14 thanks for reminding everyone about the our future looks. # 10 I agree altho …..

  11. Shame goes 2 peopie who like sugar daddies. There r pipo who fought 4 our freedom, most of them r long gone. If they came 2day they wud spit at what has become of the freedom 2 govern ourselves,mismanagement of resources,ever increasing poverty levels, child abuse,etc. All we ever fought 4 was freedom 4rm being governed, otherwise we r much poor and worse than days b4 independence.

  12. That face sgnifies: He knows he didn’t win the elections.His heart is ugly and the future plans are also ugly.No hope for the better.

  13. lT, Be Corrected that Amusa Mwanamwamba is not Deputy Speaker of the National Assembly but speaker.His deputy is Mama Nalumanga.

  14. And most you bloggers here exhibit worrying immaturity irrespective of your age.such litter low the standards of the Rostrum supposed to be of ideal generation and inhibited logical arguments.How long is it likely to take you graduate out of that low grade diatribes?Add value and charcter to the threads by engaging in mature issue based discourses.Name calling and insults on leaders is a total waste of your time.Get to understand why we come up with blogs and discusion forums.Its not to showcase your insulting skills.

  15. Is that really RB? Am shocked thought it was someone from the KK archives. How many faces has he got? Never seen this one before.

  16. Tavela Ba Pragmatist. Will do better tomorrow as for today its sunday and our brains have gone into recess as we are nursing terrible hangovers.

  17. A SOLEMN OCCASION LIKE THIS CALLS FOR SOBER CONTRIBUTIONS AND HOW RB LOOKS IS NOT RELEVANT. IF ZAMBIANS ARE NOW MORE CONCERNED ABOUT OUTWARD LOOKS THAN INWARD QUALITIES, WE ARE OF ALL PEOPLE MOST TO BE PITIED. ANYWAY, BACK TO THE SUBJECT: ZAMBIA’S FALLEN HEROES WHOM WE REMEMBER ARE NOT JUST THE ONES WHO FELL IN THE GREAT WARS BUT ALSO THOSE WHO FELL FIGHTING THE PORTUGUESE, SMITH’S RHODESIA AND VOSTER’S SOUTH AFRICA. ALL OUR BARRACKS IN ZAMBIA ARE NAMED AFTER THE PLACES WERE ZAMBIANS FOUGHT IN BURMA A NORTH EAST INDIA.

  18. #29 and 33,ur RB’s sons-we knw they blog alot here,or mayb ur th image buildaz?its fredom of xpresion and u cnt dictate ur thots nd views on us..ala imwe!

  19. Hey, sorry for any shallow contributions I may have made. We have the freedom to say what we think on this blog and a little banter never killed anyone. We should just make sure we don’t resort to name calling and insulting lest we become like “The Past newspaper”.

  20. Nabeve ba at prag chani matics. bakambako che lelo vanzelu bafuna kutisoka. just join in and have a little fun. even if people make fun of him they accept him very well .even LPM mwaleseka but you loved the man.

  21. #35. A number of Zambians took part in both World Wars. My grandfather fought in Burma (WW2). Some WW1 battles were fought in East Africa against the Germans. Also see #20.

  22. # 33 I agree with you.The president was remebering the lives of Zambians lost in the WW1 and WW2.KALEWA,GONDA,TUG AGAN Barracks etc is where Zambian lives were lost, we lost our parents in those two wars and we shall continue to pay our respects to them.We shall not be ruled by people who were put in jail by being a costable who was jaied for fraund and theft of the propeties of inmates from the police stations,who were deported from Malawi,had dollars confiscated from JHB airport,cheated on the loss of passport in London,who failed/cheated to declare all their vehicles with the Chief Justice during nomination,who promised the electorate in Mumbwa to find a cure of HIV/AIDS. VIVA RB

  23. For information and as narrated by my late father wo fought in World War 2.
    1.KALEWA -IS A TOWN IN MYNAMAR IN BURMA.
    2.CHINDWIN – IS A RIVER IN MYNAMAR IN BURMA
    3.TUG ARGAN – IS A PLACE IN SOMALIA (BRITISH SOMALILAND)
    4.GONDA – IS A DISTRICT OF THE UTTA PRADESH AND DISTRICT HEADQUARTERS IN INDIA.
    THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT TO REMEMBER THE ZAMBIAN WHO FOUGHT NAMED THE BARRACKS AND THE ZAMBIAN HAS CONTINUED TO NAME SOME NEW BARRACKS, EG GONDA.
    IF YOU NEED MORE INFO PLSE LET ME KNOW I WILL PROVIDE FREE CONSULTANCY.

  24. Follow up to No 4. Still cant get it why zambia votes for ugly guys. Just look at Obama, a man in every girls dreams. Shame. Vote HH next time

  25. Thanks for the info No43. Once in a while we get shown the light in the strangest of places if we look at it right

  26. All Zambian presidential hopefulls are ugly. RB talapola ifutumbuwa alelya ku chipata that is why he looks so ugly. Kwati chakutinishako abana zoona pamenso!

  27. Leave RB alone. His looks have nothing to do with his leadership qualities just like the Senegalese president. If looks mattered white Americans wouldnt have voted for Obama because he looks different to their skin colour

  28. Leave RB alone. His looks have nothing to do with his leadership qualities just like the Senegalese president. If looks mattered white Americans wouldnt have voted for Obama – he looks different to their skin colour

  29. Lets talk about real issues other than silly comments about RB’s face. God created us differently. For I would rather have good brains than good looks

  30. Lets talk about real issues other than silly comments about RB’s face. God created us differently. For I me would rather have good brains than good looks

  31. Lets talk about real issues other than silly comments about RB’s face. God created us differently. For me I would rather have good brains than good looks

  32. Sata looks like a wild person. I am just so glad that PF and its felow traveller the Post Newsapaper lost. If you want any evidence of what we were going to experience under Sata look at what PF cadres did at the Mudenda funeral. That is their behaviour. Now they are going around cmaiming rigging without an iota of evidence ! This shameless charater Sata is not fit to be President. We thank God he saved us ffrom Sata. Sata a job awaits you in Kasama-Chief Cordinator of Insakas.

  33. wag wani, i think RB is allegic kuka zuba… its why pamfeshi pake pa ma chita react wired monga nyama soya when he stands on the sun.or is that his way of posing… i like it mwe

  34. I am not suprised by the silly comments on RB. It is general the nature of black africans. We like filling our minds with silly things. We concetrate more on silly issues than important issues. No wonder we cant develop

  35. Who is behind the citizens democratic party?they better cum out nw and start cmpaignin,nt trying to pul a suprise at th last minute..

  36. Ladies and Gentlemen, like it or not but that is certainly not a bright face. The Man looks already fatigued and potentially coupled wwith a heart condition. I stand to be proven wrong!

  37. #64..
    I hope they knw tht its nt easy to transverse country-wide support in politics..Obama came to lime-light 4 yearz ago..ths party and Prof Chirwa are playing the same game..late game i must say..hope they do it,I like their ‘stance’ on various issues..

  38. Thumbs up #67! #68 kizabona….lol If they don’t strategise to be known now, well they may just be digging their graves for 2011. It may also be possible that they are targeting 2016 who know?

  39. Good grief! What’s all this fascination with looks? Does a man really have to look good to get a cutie? Have you seen how beautiful Sata’s wife, the Dr., is? Bushe alapapa Sata Munuma? Be real. Ma half yalanda. Bushe gelo yakulalya ama looks yobe? To hell.

  40. Imwe mwe bantu ngamwalolesha ba RB was good looking kubwaice kukota kwabachitefi.Iam glad he was already as fat b4 becoming vice president and subsiquently president.

  41. Bloggers any comment on lukuku over state police,mmd & cosmo mumba wanting to eliminate him as on sunday post?do we really ve national police or political police because if it is true then we are heading into anarchy.IG shud comment on political harasement.

  42. Any way from what each oe had to contribute… i can conclude that all of you are right and at the same time are wrong… Reasons.
    1. Sata really wants to rule Zambia at all costs. Thats a threat to democracy! Bani apingila at bakachimone… or ni nkongole to some nations he promised for Zed resources.
    2. Ine naine nshawinen ama elections. I simply went to the rural areas where bbc, cnn, or any other means of exposure to the outside world could not be at their reach practically Beside some of the Urban dwellers were disadvantaged…we now here refugees were also voting… all these were tactics to bring down the number. Proof: rural pop.can never equate to urban urbaners.
    3. to be cont..

  43. You guys pocking fun at RB’s face, some of you are PF Cadres as I can tell from the tone of your postings. Does your SATA look any better? Most, if not all the pictures I have seen of him are very ugly, meaning the man is actually ugly. He looks annoyed all the time. The face lookes like that of a person who has seen feaces. Even on the ballot papers, he is the only one who was not smiling. Had God cursed us with a president like ke that, our money was going to be wasted on plastic surgeons. As for the topic at had, lets remember the souls of our poor departed who dief fighting a white man’s war.

  44. By the way why such a rush to inaugulate the winner when you are confident of your victory!!!!
    3 HH is ka ma good young man, though he has some traits of holding to power to death. Same as chi sata. Beside he seems to easily give up, may be because he saw that if realy lost since the govenment cannot afford to rig for themselves as well as for the opposition in his favour, therefore, coming third simply meant nothing better than coming last…

    In my oppinion, pa Zed pafunika chabe wo punzila, coz they think wisely… Good example is the Late L.Mwanawasa, UNZA graduate. Not Kabova Sata, Headmasters or Primary cheater “ne mwine” … Mwanvela.
    Lets call it a day.

  45. You guys whats so funny about RB’s face. He’s handsome, infact more Handsome than most of here. LT pls allow us for once to post our photos so that we see some faces…. hahahahahahah

  46. You guys whats so funny about RB’s face. He’s handsome, infact more Handsome than most of you here. LT pls allow us for once to post our photos so that we see some faces…. hahahahahahah

  47. # 78 Jr. Its like all of you are not educated. eeh!!! like father like son… Check out spelling of ‘tolk’ and come back to contribute nosense of sense or sense of nosense. Choose one you like most!

  48. I can’t believe you guys are busy talking about how the President look rather than blogging the Vets issue.Musebana maningi, mwayaona lelo ma computer? vintu vo onela kubukulu nivovuta.

  49. #2 What is wrong for a white man to call a Black African from a dark continent a native?These are the true Heroes you saw in Livingstone and this happened along time ago when a Black man called a whit man as ba Zungu.
    Grow up and stop dreaming

    Viva H H

  50. remember guys we are all created in God image.God created man in his own image if u are isuting Banda then i wonder how God looks.

  51. Those using vernecular on LT Blogger will do well to translate their messages into lingua franca as we are from different tribes. Let’s also avoid using abbreviations as they may be difficult to interpret.

    Please ba LT Blogger, stick to the topic and stop waffling. It shows, some of you failed to make it in education because of failure to understand the topic or question.

  52. Let us debate about real issues affecting us please eg. mealie meal prices, cement prices, essential commodities prices and poverty in general. The face of RB has nothing to do with the above. Debate real issues please our economy

  53. Accept that RB72 is the Zed Republican Presido.I will ask ba LT to DELETE you from the site.
    Weather handsome or aguly

    Viva H H the Handsome guy with cool IQ

  54. We are here again…Goodmorning people, I can tell most of us are just getting into the groove…well tributes to the war veterans…

  55. The hero is one who kindles a great light in the world, who sets up blazing torches in the dark streets of life for men to see by. The saint is the man who walks through the dark paths of the world, himself a light…Big up to all zedians who fought in both wars, WW1 and WW2!!!

    Even if we did not who started the wars!!

  56. Ba #85 mwaitaya. The term ‘Native’ is derogatory and it was used with such connotation – it simply means a perosn of low status Disparaging; belittling etc. Please do not embarass yourself. Who was a war veteran, some of these guys you call veterans were carrier bags. What is the purpose of this ceremony? who attends it? Is it realy for Zambians or the so-called British war heroes?.Is it a Zambian thing or world?? You need abit of a historical mind to undestand this!! Sorry maitaya ba #2 uliche. Do you know that Livingstone whites where called Settlers and the owners of the land were called natives??? Back to history!!

  57. “President Rupiah Banda Sunday led service chiefs,High commissioners, members of the diplomatic core and….”
    LT, kindly take time to check vocabulary, spelling…etc before you post your news

  58. From the comments unleashing on this thread I can tell that the face of the President has attracted much attention that what is been reported on (Veteran War heroes)…He is ugly right so what…

  59. Look at yourself before you start teasing RB Because he be can be twenty times handsome that u and you wife or girlfriend. Watch out!

  60. If we read Genesis in the old testamant of the holy bible, we shall find that after God has made all these other things, He said let us create Man in our own image. This means that each one of us is created in the image of God so let us stop these unGodly comments.
    The other thing is that let us please stick to the topic on the agenda unlike going astray. This why we fail exams.

  61. #85. You quoted me out of context. I am aware of what the term native means. That’s not what upset me. I merely took exception to the fact that they wrote the actual names of the white people whose lives were lost and didn’t see it fit to accord the same honour to the locals.

  62. Why didnt RB go to Zim for the conference on Mugabe? Only Him and Botswana president missed out. He seem to be sending mixed messages first he invites him to his inaugauration then he snubs him. Ya shani iyi

  63. I just opened this wedside this morning and I’m really laughing. This site at times really make my day. #16 kwena mwebantu mulibafishobo.

  64. IMWE UMWAUME TABIPA, BESIDES YOU ALL MEN ONLY HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON, JUST LIKE US WOMEN. I WONT MENTION WHICH PART.

  65. Sorry fallen heros. YOU ALL FOUGHT A FOR NOTHING BUT PROFIT FOR ELITES OF THE WORLD THEY NOT KNOW COUNTRY BUT WEALTH AND CONTROL.

  66. #103 WALASA! This what makes me mad as they honor their’s in expens of our true heros. It’s time to even change names of towns like LIVNGSTONE, OUR GREAT FALLS AND ALL THE BEAUTIFUL LAKES OF OUR BELOVED CONTINENT WHICH THESE WHITE MONKEYS NAMED IN SO CALLED HONOR OF THEY DRUG AND SEX ADDICTED WHORE queen victoria.

  67. 115. kote kanama,

    Please mudala have respect for the head of state, besides his portrait is soon to come out, now imagine the agony of having his picture in my office…I hope my business won’t go down…kuti ama clients bamona kwati ni machaya ma rituals…

  68. …i think this picture needs to have a rating,it should only be viewed by persons of 20yrs+.abaice bala tilimuka ngabamona.awe kwena ni bwesheniko imitengo,Gabtam Tyres……..

  69. I am worried Government workers will start absenting themselves due to Nyama Soya’s terrible picture in their offices. Chakutinya abantu wapya

  70. Sata must be considered as a war veteran, he has participated in three national wars for state house and lost.

    On his cenotaph we must subscribe the following words
    ” To a gallant loser, he came so near yet so far of entering into state fought among his comptriots who ended up undressing as a sign of loss, he will for ever be remember”

  71. Dam! it is RB’s face that scares investors. No wonder Zambia attracts only chineese labourers instead of real investors.

    Face shape=SHREK’s
    Face texture= Crocodile skin & tse-tse fly beaten
    Character= snorer.

    Mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

  72. The beauty of a man is his cows/wealth.
    Yes RB failed his own bussiness but he will not fail our country because he has a good track record in business Ah, Ah.

    I am definately not contradicting myself you know.Rb’s sleeping problem is not that bad you know take it from me.

  73. Sata’s description
    Hair sisal coloured
    Face skin colour- Navy brown with shades of amber
    Eyes-toni red with snake eye lids
    Teeth -brown grey with charcoal stains
    Hight under – less than average homosapiens
    Language- Foul, obscene,vulgar and abusive
    Marital status-three wives and concubine Joyce Nonde

  74. So the man (RB) is indeed a living monster! Can his image be hidden from children before bedtime because children will find very difficult to sleep and have nightmares.

  75. I know what is wrong with my face, only if the creater took time to get my chin-shape correct. Instead of a “w” shape which I have now a “v” shaped-chin would have suited me better. My lips are also my problem, all the girls I have come across made me aware of the fact.Iam considering lip-reduction by one of Chineese Top Doctors who is in one of the mines. There is nothing much I can do about my stomack shape really, I’ll just sleep and forget all my probles. Can everyone stop attacking me I never applied for my features.

  76. #73 watch your tongue maybe you could be the one to go faster than RB elo some of you check how ugly you will be if at all you will be 71.nibutuka mudala

    viva RB not so many reach your age these days

  77. Visit iol.co.za and see how issue based independedt inteelectuals blog. Not what I read on this LT. LT can you introduce some sense of responsibility by deleting offside blogging.

  78. #131 RB, You created some of your features e.g. stomack (through eating too much and do less exercise, stop sleepiung after meals and do not over-eat), your rinkles are a result of rigging.

  79. All of you commenting on our presidents looks. STOP insulting The Almighty who created us in his own image. None of us chose the colour of our eys or skin. Even if you dont like him, plz have a bit of respect for other people…..Post your photos so that we can see how beautiful or handsome you have created yourself….. Grow up!!!!!

  80. 136 comments on a man’s face? Shows how petty people in this nation are. Which man cares about how his face looks? why should anybody waste his time looking at one’s face as a man? Looks are for our dear ladies. For men, all you need are brains, good clothes and umuchanga, dineiro, amahalf, shilikiti, falanga, and as they say in the good old book “all other things shall be added unto thee”. Stop gazing at his face and look for substance.

  81. I say God does not have a face like that. God is in heaven working hard for the people that He created. RB is in the state house in Zambia sleeping too much not doing anything for Zambians. Do not mix the two please.

  82. Small minds discuss people
    Ordinary minds discuss events
    Progressive minds discuss ideas

    I refuse to be small and ordinary minded!

  83. #143 walasa!!!however,RB’s face needs to go for panel beating.KK is older than him yet he is more handsome.better still,if panel beating fails,i think sand paper can do.icinso cakatamisha,kwati ni dala.

  84. Aparently the RB’s innner head contents are as messed up as his face according to RB’s specialist Chineese Doctor, LATEST!

  85. sata went to surgery to have a postmortem of last elections,only to be told that in his right side of the skull,there is paul tembo’s blood while on the left there is none .so the doctor advised him to retire as he will soon follow mwanawasa to the grave.Thank God we shall soon have no sata in Zambia

  86. Mwebaiche mwachepa sana na sata wenu nombaline mwalafwa kunsala.No more hand outs and before i retire i will make sure Teta is president and have sata slaughtered for our anniversary at UNIVERSAL CHURCH

  87. #147,MESSED UP HEAD’S INNER CONTENTS IS NO SUPRISE TO MOST OF US. we can tell buy the man’s actions. whe is this specialist Doctor residing? in the mines?

  88. Both Sata and RB are fit to be your dads. Respect their looks. One day, you will grow older and look like them or even worse. RB’s was definitely handsome when he was young.

  89. Northern Rhodesia
    Main article: Article
    Northern Rhodesia (later Zambia) was a British colony. As such, it was covered by the British declaration of war. Northern Rhodesian units served in East Africa.-W ikipedia about WWII.

  90. Just saw Rb’s face & lost appetite, So that’s him uncooked,could benefit from a surgical procedure called “FACE RECONSTRUCTION” indeed.

    LT some pictures should not be in the public eye. Surely the man is not Zambian truely and truely speaking. Can he produce his birth certificate?

  91. Johannesburg – Legendary singer Miriam Makeba, who died aged 76 on Sunday, simply wanted…of the greatest songstresses of our time, Miriam Makeba, has ceased to sing. Miriam Makeba… died performing what she did best…

    MHSRIP

    Viva H H better IQ

  92. Makeba, whose most famous hits included Pata Pata, The Click Song (Qongqothwane in Xhosa) and Mailaka, died after taking part in a concert for Roberto Saviano, a writer threatened with death by the Mafia.

    “She collapsed as she was leaving the stage. She received paramedic assistance and was rushed to hospital where she unfortunately passed away.”

    MHSRIP

  93. 159 rupiah

    You should have seen kaunda in his younger days, he made ladies weak at the knees. He used to wear a zonke hair style.

    He was a feast for the eyes. Not this kafupi who has resorted to using Jaribu Soap

  94. Let us articulate real issues on this platform.For Zambia to develop,we need real based issues.Please by all means write constructive issues,why talk much about the looks of someone?This to mean,i look at it to be childish.
    Talk about how is Tax affecting us,economic performance etc
    I salute those who write sense.

  95. Am a little concerned about remarks about RB. He is our President lets support our man. I dont like him either, i would prefered someone else but now is time to embrace the man and be patriotic.
    # 61 Zambia we’ll develop and i have a problem with pipo that think that africans are backward…. lets talk about how we can change things without sliding into such statements . its irresponsible

  96. #61
    I for one believe our country continent we’ll develop, we need to look more on how we can change things not just seeing the mistakes and reinforcing the deception that we cant do anything good because we are black !!!! no no no. Lets be positive… things can change . Young OBAMA proved something most AMERICANS thot would never happen. I submit that Zambia and Black Africans we’ll do better in the future because “we can!!!” and you my friend need to look at how you can change things not just writing like that

  97. Show some repect please. some of you we’ll worser than that at 60. worse still some of you might not even reach there. Respect for the elderly is african culture we should preserve. we can critise pipo and their flaws in relation to performance in public office. Feasting on someones looks is palin childish talk . Grow up fella’s

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