Friday, March 29, 2024

UPND Rejects PF’s request to discuss allocation of seats and candidacy for the pact

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UNITED Party for National Development (UPND) yesterday said it was ready to contest the 2011 presidential elections without a partnership with the PF and rejected a fresh call by the Sata-led party for a joint national committee to discuss the allocation of seats and candidacy for the pact.

UPND secretary general Winston Chibwe said he was in possession of a letter authored by Mr Kabimba proposing that a joint management committee meeting be convened quickly to discuss Prof Chirwa’s views but his party had rejected the proposal.

He said UPND had been calling for meetings with PF since April last year but the PF had rejected the appeals and wondered why Prof Chirwa’s personal views could even result into a meeting.

He said UPND was not surprised that the PF was no longer interested in the pact and said the party should be made aware that UPND was the biggest opposition party in the country because it had gained ground since 2008.

“If PF is not interested in the pact anymore, it is fine with us because we are ready to go it alone. They have continued to put adverts in The Post newspaper against us through those letters.

“There is too much deceit in PF. We have been calling for meetings ourselves since last year and the PF have been refusing. On their call for the meeting, we have also refused and I have since written a letter to Mr Kabimba.

“It was delivered this morning (yesterday) and probably that is why they are saying they are no longer interested in the pact. We have fundamental issues to deal with as UPND, so it is fine, we are a big party,” Mr Chibwe said in an interview at his office.

And Mr Kabimba on Wednesday revealed that the PF had become tired of the pact.

When contacted to state whether the pact between the two parties still existed following the recent differences, Mr Kabimba said there was nothing left to talk about in the UPND-PF Pact and that he was tired of the pact.

[Times of Zambia]

137 COMMENTS

  1. Yes yes yes yes yes yees yees yeeees yeeeeees yeeeeeeeees let the kaponyas go it alone too. Very craft kabimba clobbered at his own game. UPND go it alone even if you wont win, just try and build your structures, the future is yours. SATA and his PF spells the end for them. PF are very doggy characters, even outshines MMD crooks at the game of crooking before you form Government.

  2. #2 Mwata…………dont be one sided, UPND here has shown more seriousness in pact issue than PF. To help you UPND even went to an extent of expelling an MP for not supporting pact which PF failed despite.

  3. Lets be honest, the bottom line with Zambian politics is everyone wants to be President. Anything short of that is unacceptable and excuses will be given all the way to the polls. They Pact has certainly taken the Zambian people for a ride. This completely borders on selfishness, immaturity, and lack of foresight. If they cant compromise now, how are they going to run the country? None of them is winning the elections this year and come election day, MMD will carry the day if they go their separate ways. I dont belong to any party, I belong to myself. This is just my opinion.

  4. HH wants to lead UPND into oblivion. As things stand neither PF nor UPND can win the presidential election. Both are being misled by their selfish cadres who all want posts in the “new” government.PLEASE HH AND SATA LISTEN TO THE VOICE OF THE VOTERS–UNITE

  5. #real issue the reason y ask that it’s coz UPND has been complaining about PF don’t wanna meet but when they offer that they decline and yet they keep on complaining. So am not 1 side I just want answers

  6. H.H 2011 IS THE REAL CHANGE WE ARE UP TO,,,,HE REPRESENTS THE FUTURE/ YOUTHS OF THIS COUNTRY,ZAMBIA…VIVA H.H ,,VIVA MA-YOUTHS,,VIVA ZAMBIA….2011 VOTE HH FOR PLOT ONE.

  7. We saw it coming. UPND don’t cheat yourself that you are a bigger party. We are just giving a chance once again for MMD to steal the votes. PF play your cards properly the race is between you and MMD. Make sure you don’t impose candidates on people. Let people have their own choice you may make it.

  8. thats the way to go upnd bcos pf days are numbered. their is still a lot of life in upnd even with moribund HH and kapita gone. PF this is the end bcos the leader is a geriatric living on borrowed time. PF cant stand without geriatric while upnd isnt about HH bcos he is just a journeyman. go to hell kabimba hopeless attorney

  9. If UPND & PF want to go it alone then I will withdraw my vote and vote for MMD just to shame them, make the PACT work then will vote for you……………viva pact

  10. PF has not chance in hell to win Presidential elections under Sata.Western,N/western,Southern,Central,Sata has no chance of leading in these regions.
    Lusaka & Copperbelt will be shared.Sata only has some part of Luapula & Northern,He was recently defeated in Mpulungu which he claims to be his stronghold.

  11. I hope UPND will not re-verse this decision, coz I want to see how HH will get to state house or even be vice president.HH will get far much less votes than ever and his party will no longer accept him to stand again.Chirwa will be the next UPND leader.Bye bye HH.see you in the corporate world

  12. I HAVE BEEN A STRONG SUPPORTER OF THE PF, I HAVE ALSO BEEN CALLING FOR THE PF TO JOIN HANDS WITH UPND. THE ONLY PROBLEM IS UPND IT SEEMS ALSO HAS BEEN EYEING FIELDING HH AS PACT PRESIDENT WHILST PF THINKS THEY ARE 2nd BIGGEST PARTY & POISED TO WIN THIS YEARS ELECTIONS, EVEN ALONE. BOTH PARTIES HAVE AN EGO TO PROTECT ABEIT TO THEIR OWN DOWNFALL. I CANT IMAGINE MMD AGAIN 2011 GOING THRU. THE PACT PLS TIME IS NOW, UNITE!!!!!!!!

  13. # 22 well said. I am even thinking if PACT fails to work, UPND can try Prof. Chirwa. I am 100% that way they can win. HH is not proactive.

  14. The end of UPND, go alone and cease to exist. Who is cheating UPND that they are now strong? please learn to face facts UPND will never form government unless they are in a PACT with PF.

  15. Number 20! What does this topic got to with Tongas?. You are among the few Zambians who can issue such a useless remark.Come on.no Tonga no tribe remarks this is a national issue which required your postive input.Very sad to see such people like you still existing in our beloved mother Zambia. LT dont you have editors to publish only materials relevant to the topic of discussion?!

  16. PF & UPND someone says facts are stubborn things! The fact is that neither PF or UPND can win on it’s own. It is possible for both UPND & PF to have 90 or even 100 parliamentary seats but the Presidency will be very tough because of vote splitting. You will have yourselves to blame if you go it alone. Let reason prevail. Sit down and discuss. Time is against you!

  17. honestly we have been debating on this forum some pipo have been saying UPND are still dreaming to be in a pact time has comee for them to say enough with PF now others are condeming whats wong guys let UPND be in politics forever than thgis crippled PF full of useless policies….VIVA UPND

  18. If the pact fails I will vote for MMD against my disire to do so, Just to teach UPND and PF that they have failled us and I believe more others are thinking the same so Pact, Put your Houses in Order. This is a timely warning.

  19. Democracy, respect it bane. This is democracy. UPND is justified to refuse to be an escortee for SATA. Rightly saw, I see more intelligence and maturity in HH and UPND than PF. PF are very excited and in their excitement they forget even some of principles of friendship. Yes, Kabimba has destroyed the pact and SATA in his cunning ways used Kabimba to destroy the pact. It is not without. NOw they will start blaming HH. HH was never PF, he was UPND and to expect him to give up and hand himself to Kaponyas is unthinkable. Let him go ahead, he has enough support among Zedians, they will vote for him. Politics is about contests, let him go ahead, he has every right, just like you have every right under democracy to contest any position. There is a lot of substannce in HH’s statements

  20. Ukupoka ichisenda kukoko kunakilila.H.H must come low if he want to have of being president of Zambia by forming a pact with PF and letting SATA stand as presido of the pact!!

  21. UPND, please leave them allone, why should they be so quick to call a meeting on allocation of seats and candidacy for the pact but when it comes to drawing of a national development plan they are not interested? we know what they are interested in….

  22. Do worry – We will have ADD join PF and UPND will remain in opposition. We the members of ADD know and understand that our party is small but we have best leader currently. VIVA ADD, VIVA PF

  23. upnd is not just after power, it’s a whole package they want. good leadership and a realistic national roadmap

  24. Im wondering why they ,PF, just want to discuss positions and presidency!!!!! what about the policies and mandate. Positions have nothing to do with how the country will be governed because anyone can occupy a position even after the incumbent is gone, so long as there is a workable guideline in place.

    According to this, UPND has waited for a year to get a response from PF and the best they can do is discuss LEADERSHIP after a year; as if it is not bad enough they only want to discuss chirwa’s proposals what about the other proposals made by UPND or even PF????? !!!

  25. The bottom line is that without the pact neither PF nor UPND will win the elections.

    Democracy is about compromises and if the two cannot agree, then they can as well kiss goodbye to emerging victorious against MMD… period

    You need to get more seious and more organised. There is very little time left

  26. HH is failing to reason with his party members.He for sure knows he cannot be president on UPND ticket he knows it himself very well that despite of King Cobra being OLD he is more popular and acceptable by the youth and older pupulation accross the country than him.Here I advise HH TO SWOLLOW his pride and come to terms with reality on the ground he is president for the future and not now.HERE I HAVE JUST CALLED A SPADE A SPADE AN NOT A BIG SPOON.MAY THE ALMIGHTY GOD THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT GUIDE OUR BELOVED BROTHER HH SO THAT THE PACT CAN BE REDEEMED.AND REMEMBER HH PEOPLE OF ZAMBIA ARE WACTHING YOU IF YOU FAIL TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION NOW YOU WILL HAVE LOST IT FOREVER AND EVER AMEN.GOD BLESS THE PACT. ZAMBIANS BADLY NEEDS CHANGE HH IF YOU MAKE A WRONG DECISION NOW YOU SHALL NEVER BE…

  27. the problem is with PF and some zambians who think HH can only be president for this country if he lowers himself b4 Sata, what is it that has charmed in pipo’s minds thinking this is Sata’ country he too can not be president for this country if he thinks he is our angel never….let him humble himself too, as someone pointed out zambians do not owe Sata state house instead Sata owes us an apology for insulting our chiefs from western,luapula and southern province respectively….PF is the worst party zambia has ever prodruced no respectb to human rights and speech…..zambians raise on merity and see what is ahead of us there is no truth in PF

  28. PF are a bunch of failed dribblers. They are full of venom, anger,hunger and illiteracy. They dont comprehend what UPND is looking at. For UPND, they have the interest of the country at heart while PF are pocket-fulls. They look at how much they should steal. Even their Vuvuzela is also desparately sliding into the red hence utilising their little energy to blow the vuvuzela. Unfortunately Zambians now want clean politics that are issue based and not empty unattainable promises of money in your pockets after 90 days. Why should they make Clive’s letter an issue yet they have failed to respond to UPNDs official position of looking at how the country will be run after the elections? They are shameless leaders who are just after sharing the spoils of the nation!

  29. There are a lot of gains in going solo for UPND
    likely results are
    UPND will win
    UPND will gain more ground ( as they are already)
    PF will loose
    PF will go into political achives like FDD

    I think these are good posibilities. The worst that could happen will happen in the order i have given> its a win win situation

  30. The thing that Zambians should be aware of is that there is more to it than meets the eye.
    The deal between PF and the POST is not a good one for Zambia… It is covered with corruption and dirty deals. Post , Change Life , Defunct Zambian Airways, Gay movements are all parties largely involved in the cartel . It is unholy and is not in the interest of any Zambian. PF is not the Change we want. let those who have ears listen

  31. # 20 Anne who are you insult us like that, you think you are so special than us, why can’t you attack the arguments of pipo and instead you insulting us all. it is not fair, what if i also decide to insult you. even if we are stupid maybe there is a purpose in that. we also know how to insult but we have transcended this barbaric attitude, we have learn to respect even the most stupid person. in all truth can you indeed confortably declare that all Tongas are “ukushishita takwakapwe”. only God know why made us stupid. but i wish to bless you in your comment.

  32. PF and UPND Leaders:You have just shown the Zambians how selfish and greedy you are.Your differences are based on who gets the pact presidency,cabinet and MP allocations.Instead you should have worked on a common plan and vision to bring Zambians out of poverty.Your have let us down! As Pro. Chirwa said you were doing this for the rich but poor Zambians.Your failure is an indication that you both want to serve your own interests.It is the Zambians you claim you want to serve who want the pact not you.You will pay dearly for what you have done to the Poor Zambians who desperately needed your union.Come on Zambians! let’s try E Chipimo Jnr’s NAREP, PF and UPND have refusedto listen to us even before they form government,what more…?

  33. ubutonga nabo why are you pipo like this.your mwaanga nkumbula failed, kebby,mazoka,hh and again hh.you will never rule this country too much ukuitemwa.you think southern province is zambia and already rb has taken half of your province and will see were ka etch etch will get votes from. dont cheat your selves the battle is between rb and sata. viva rb and sata and not ka etch etch.

  34. Am begining to think twice about these article which are always from times of zambia. who doesnt kno that times of zambia is interested in making the PACT break? Bloggers dont insult yoselves for nothing, the source of these articles leaves alot to be desired

  35. # 48 Inocent
    Lets be factual , it is not right to say the two leaders are selfish. The PF had put the UPND on a silent treatment programme for 9 months. They refused to sit down and draw a programme on a unified agenda, functioning of governemnet and criteria for choosing leaders. Get the Facts right, PF SATA went on VOA calling HH and Underfive whilest they were in a PACT.. PF wanted to take Chilanga when UPND candidate had done better inthe previous election. Lets tell the truth, the Self ones are known by all. Give UPND credit for trying to make this thing work

  36. JOHN PHIRI

    Dont bullshit yourself.UPND have MPs in N western,Central,Western and southern.To you it only exists in southern.It has even councillors in Eastern.If the pact stood separate and both lost.The biggest looser is your SATA as he is too old.

  37. #20 Anne, thats why the pact can’t work with people like you. So you think you are better that a tonga, sad. Exam yourself 1st.

  38. number 53
    In UPND they had elections and Sakwiba was walloped. He is the one that organised the convention and so the lists were not doctored. Delegates came from all parts of the country and the guy lost clean game. if Chirwa wants to stand noo one will stop him. We ae not like the MMD were people are chased or PF were you kafulo depends on how well you leak sata’s chitechi ……

  39. MR. CHIBWE, YOU CAN’T FOOL ANYONE THAT YOU AS UPND ‘CAN GO IT ALONE’…… SINCE THE DEMISE OF MAZOKA,YOU HAVE NEVER SHOWN ZAMBIANS THAT YOU HAVE A SPINE TO STAND ON YOUR OWN. YOUR SURVIVAL IS IN PACTS, ALLIANCES ETC,……..YOUR NEXT MOVE IS EVERYBODY’S GUESS…….YOU WILL START COURTING BA MMD…..THE VERY PARTY YOU HAVE FOR THE PAST 2 YEARS DEMONISED……..TYPICAL OF UNDER FIVES WHO CAN ONLY SURVIVE ON OTHER PEOPLE’S BACKS……..WHATEVER THE CASE, 50% OF UPND (PRINCIPLED) WILL GO WITH PF…..MAY YOUR SOUL REST IN PEACE (MYSRIP) BA UPND.

  40. #41. This is what we are saying here that you the PF have a big problem, you are only interested in calling the Cobra to be the pact president. what next after cobra becomes the president??

  41. The UPND can go it alone and they might or might not win but they will perform better than the PF for Sure should they go solo… Donchi ku… 2.8% remember..Actually you are going down even in Mporokoso and that will reduce your chances to 2.1%

  42. LT, whats the logic in reproducing a Times of Zambia story which is also online? We all know that T of Z is 100% pro Govt of the day.

  43. useless # 53 NO TRIBES HERE. GO TO HEAL WITH YOUR TRIBAL EVIL THOUGHTS. NO PACT NO VOTE, NO PACT NO VOTE, NO PACT NO VOTE, NO PACT NO VOTE, NO PACT NO VOTE, NO PACT NO VOTE, NO PACT NO VOTE …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….NO PACT NO VOTE………………………PERIOD………………………………………………………………..

  44. UNCLE SATA, PLS BE FOCUSSED……EYES ON PLOT 1…..FORGET ABOUT THE UNDER FIVES……LEKEN BA MMD NABO BABA PAPEKO…TWANAKA NABO MWE!!!!

  45. ka etch etch (hh) is foolish with your dnpu.you never rule this country mwefi ba tonga too much ukushishita. what popularity have you gained on the ground. the battle is between sata and rb.viva sata and rb abash ka etch etch (hh).

  46. Number 41,you are very realistic zambia needs you for your wise council. check the upnd bloggers always dreaming. UPND wants to dictate proceedings like in UDA. Tell zambians how you mistreated your inlaw Nawakwi and Tilyenji. SATA is very smart he knows all your cheap local tricks thats he does not answer you. Those rejoicing SATA,s age and health you are waisting your time because you will die earlier than him.

  47. Realities are realities.UPND will never rule this country.May be when the label of Tonga party is erased.A vibrant party has been destroyed because of tribal sentiments.It will be a folly for Sata just to leave presidency to a small party like UPND.PF,a party for kaponyas,is better off with the same kaponyas.We do not want to be bulldozed by nonenties.Sata should continue campaigning and forget about tantrums from UPND.Edith Nawakwi and Tilyenji Kaunda gave HH UDA presidency without any argument.How come HH does not want to be vice to Sata?The youngman is very selfish and egocentric.He will never be president of Zambia because he fails to read times and seasons.

  48. PF will never rule in this life time. Please stop wasting your time. I will vote for the best leader and believe me that will not be Sata. Just imagine the man as president….. no no no. It cant be because he is not presidential material.

  49. God it clever; he gave Zambians a beutiful country with all the resources for it to develop; then he denies them brains to think and act properly. You have everything in your backyard, but others are benefiting from it. God gave the Tswanas a an arid land, but he blessed them with brains and said, you will find diamonds and mine, and make your land proud. From analysis to speaches, Zambia and its people make me sick. Sorry to generalise, i know I shouldnt, but the counry sucks!!

  50. #20,66 Your frustration is understood. If you are not shishita why call for pact with shishita these parties were formed to contest elections as individual parties not as pacts, so to hell with your backwardness and idiocy.This is the beauty of democracy my dear”right of association or dissassociaton” take as simple as this. Until we learn to respect other tribes we will never dislodge mmd from power.

  51. I think there are a lot of fulls on this site there might be 2v in their brains. The mentality of always rushing for positions, I have to be called president, I have to be veep, I have to be minister this minister that is not what we want. That is what is killing this Kaponya Party. They can’t even translate what they name PF means, except to demand positions. That’s why UPND is gliding on the ladder of reasonableness. These two parties are diametrically opposed and they need to harmonise their manifestos and draw work programmes together. But PF and SATA and all his unreasonable characters say let’s discuss positions. We want clear programmes from all these parties. We know UNIP and its policies, we know MMD and its policies, we know UPND and its policies, we don’t know PF’s,

  52. No 24, its not a question of who cheats who, the truth is your PF has been faring badly in most of the by-elections compared to UPND. PF has failed to expand since 2006. If anything it has lost to MMD. UPND has grabed 3 parliamentary seats from MMD. Thats a fact Dispute if you like

  53. I beg to differ with the assertion that UPND only has presence in southern province, looking at what’s been happening in the pact, UPND has been gaining ground in Lusaka aswell. I actually think some PF supporters are the ones who are being tribal here……….Do not point at the speck in your friends eye without removing the log in yours.UPND is way past tribalism. we’re moving forward……

  54. 68 and 71 mwalasa guys,zambia is not for bembas only but for us all…..moreover they graduate from congo DR blame history not me thats why when travelling they use DRC….pliz lets be real issue based forget about tribe if your candidate from that region is poor in issues and vision dont shift the blame on tribal lines tell him uncle Sata sorry you have nothing to offer on political lines and development coz you dont march…remember in US they where saying a black cant rule white hse someone again is saying a tonga will not rule this country….watch the space VIVA UPND

  55. No 41, Zambians are not only watching HH, they watching Sata as well being selfish. He only wants to discuss what favors him and NOT what favors the COUNTRY

  56. Can these two lead the country looking at how they are moving?? UPND is not a party to compare with PF of even the dead MMD in terms of size and that is the reality. In this case, the battle is between MMD and PF with very high chances of rigging and a lot of us will be frastrated to volt. PF and UPND must stop competing, if one part errors, should the other revenge? This will not take Zambia to the Change that we need. MMD is too old to lead Zambia and have run out of ideas, dont you understand. please just stop it and learn to sacrifice as leader otherwise WE WILL PUNISH YOU AS YOU ARE PUNISHING US!!!

  57. The problem is that with members in UPND they are always talking about tribe. What has tribe got to do with the running of the country.

    Mind you if you are not careful this question can spake a war, just see what is happening in Libya. Gaddafi comes from a small tribe which has been silencing big tribes now see what the bigger tribes are doing to him!

  58. Interesting story but regretful. However, in a democracy there is need for a strong opposition and perhaps we need both PF and UPND as separate parties with different agendas. The only problem is that UPND seems to have many spokesmen and not really consistent in their objectives. Clive Chirwa has a pretty good idea how his party could get a strong power base but is not being listened to. Without PF, UPND will flounder and be threatened with extinction. PF has a much stronger power base and could win the next election cause MCS is a wiry character and will not be one to underestimate. As for HH, he will have to work very hard to convince people that he has what it takes to forge relationships outside his party. Otherwise, come the elections, he will be history. He has more to lose than MCS

  59. You Bembas are really surprising me. Is that your best product you can sell at INTERNATIONAL market in the name of Sata. Do you not realise that he represents your behavior and thinking as a group of people. Come Bembas get another product

  60. UPND has a strategy they will form a PACT with members of MMD that will not be given the oportunity to stand at the convention.They will also get some members from PF such as Lubinda.with all these members they are destined to win the elections

  61. 35// Most likely ADD, UPND and MMD will team up and this puts PF at a loss. Should Milupi get Western, HH get Southern and North Western and RB get the net balance in all the provinces plus Central, Eastern and Luapula Sata will no longer smile. HH and Milupi are likely to be in RB’s next cabinet and RB will eventually handover to the two gentlemen to run in 2016, wait and see games at play.

  62. Come on Bembas get another product that will not embarrass you at International Fora. The man must be able to discuss issues and not only positions. If I may ask again, is that your best product such that you continue worshiping

  63. 86 MODUS OPERANDI

    I disagree with you. UPND is not tribal as such. Mind you its more democratic compared to PF despite both parties having had their roots in the MMD in that both Mazoka and Sata were in MMD before. UPND and MMD have similar policies, while PF’s policies are only in the Supreme leader’s head. So if UPND is tribal then PF is personal.

  64. For the sake of Zambians, please Kabimba and Chibwe resign so that the country can move forward as the Pact is the only way through.

  65. There was alot of mistrust in the pact from the word GO. One cannot hide inner bad elements for along time. The truth has come out now. This just shows how greedy our leaders are. No matter what PF or UPND will win this year’s election on its own MMD and RB ya pasa. Going to elect a President is just an academic exercise. No wonder RB had clearly stated that he would invite international observers to Zambia for this years’ elcctions. Ba Kabwa very greedy HH and Sata and their advisors. Shame

  66. It had to come from the PF, UPND is doing well be deassociating themselves from these pipo who have acculated rates and rates of rental charges for not paying:
    Sata owe the LCC K4,699,457 unpaid rentals/land rates
    Kabimba owe LCC K127,042,000 unpaid rentals/land rates

    Sata landrates unpaid for stands number 1051 Makanta, 6258 Chilimbulu Road, F488A/G/37 Serval Road in Kabulonga, 424/8137 141 Helen Kaunda and F378A/7/3/ in Avondale.

    Now Zedians ask yourself who is clean here

  67. I think by now it is all clear to and sundry that PF does not want this PACT. and i advise HH to friget about ir and cincentrate on his campaigns – have you seen going to any radio station spending any mre time discussing the PACT? This is a dead issue and the sooner HH and his team embarced this fact the better – i feel sorry that HH could not foresee that going to bed with SATA was not tenable. One month into the PACT after signing the vague agrement should have been enough to help make a decision whether it was going to work or not. as long as Sata is at the helm of the PF nothing can work. VIVA MMD!

  68. number 20, that is hate speech and I am offended. Lusaka times, I would expect your editors to root out such bigots.

  69. If the PACT disintegrates,people will not vote because it will be a waste of time.PF AND UPND are selfish and are not there to serve us but to serve their personal interest.GO ALONE AND YOU WILL SEE.

  70. SATA HAS STOPPED TALKING ABOUT THE PACT – HE IS NOT INTERESTED AND DON’T EVEN WATE TIME TO TRY TO FORCE HIM NOTHING WILL CHANGE… IF HH WANTS TO SAVE HIS POLITICAL CAREER THE BEST FOR HIM NOW IS TO JOIN THE MMD. THERE IS NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED ABOUT – POLITICIANS IN ZAMBIA HAVE NO PRINCIPLES ..
    GEORGE IS ONLY GOING TO BE PARTY VICE PRESIDENT AND HH WILL BE APPONITED REPUBLICAN VICE PRESIDENT.

  71. #22 Bembas stop prostitution and stealing you shallow minded creatures. Internationally you have embarrassed us with your drug trafficking and the habit of asserting it in your private P.a.r.t you must be stupid ann, get yourself busy. kamambala ukutupa i.d.i.o.t

  72. #101 who were the fisrt people to embarass zambia internationally with drug trafficking–have you forgotten VJ, Sikota et al??

  73. Way to go ba SG? we can survive without the pact? everything is done by the hand, not with a boat? to operate a boat, you need hands?

  74. WE DO NOT WANT CRIES OF RIGGING AFTER WE VOTE! The writing is on the WALL, without the PACT, the MMD is sweeping the polls no two ways about it. It did need Prof Chirwa to tell HH and Sata, they both know that. They are already preparing to CRY just because Chiluba said he will start DRIBBLING. I can’t take this anymore! It’s all B……T and as always been. HH is a selfish, proud chap and Sata is rigid and adamant with no respect for confidentiality. Who can trust such leaders in government. Vote for them at your own peril. They have given RB something to some about….making it easy even for GK to grin…ata!

  75. Do these press statements from UPND and PF have blessings from their presidents or what?am wondering why kabimba and chibwe have cum out so strong this week including HH.may humble appeal is let HH/SATA two of them seat and talk.i dont trust these pipo always advising them wrongly otherwise MMD wil smiling for another 5yrs in power

  76. WE DO NOT WANT CRIES OF RIGGING AFTER WE VOTE! The writing is on the WALL, without the PACT, the MMD is sweeping the polls no two ways about it. It did NOT need Prof Chirwa to tell us, HH and Sata, they both know that. They are already preparing to CRY just because Chiluba said he will start DRIBBLING. I can’t take this anymore! It’s all B……T and as always been. HH is a selfish, proud chap and Sata is rigid and adamant with no respect for confidentiality. Who can trust such leaders in government. Vote for them at your own peril. They have given RB something to smile about….making it even easy even for George Kunda to grin…ata!

  77. Ba UPND the only reason why pf has called for the meeting its becoz the proposal makes sense as opposed to your thick thinking over the pact.UPND guys are too proud and with such egoes you will never deliver the Zambian people because getting into government on your own is a far fetched dream,not in our time ba Chibwe

  78. Batata ba HH naba Sata tekeni umutima panshi.Abantu balefwaya change ,so ingachakutila mwakana ukuba pamo bane then we would rather campaign for mmd than you.From the look of things both of you are power agree which is not suppose to be the case

  79. HH and Sata selfshness will lead both of them into oblivion. They must act now and work as a team or perish politically. Comrade Sata, will be too old and tired to run the marathon come 2016-and people will just be too tired of him. HH has got interllectuals like Prof.Chirwa who I am sure won’t tolerant mediocal performance which will come with 2011 elections and he risks being dethroned or a splinter group arising within the party. So the only time is now-HH must swallow his pride and accept the Vice position and he will better off fighting to become president within government.

  80. HH bravo!!PF r batch of jokers n kaponyaz.We nid credible leaders…..Now dependn cn just cast my vote either on UPND or MMD.Still processn.PF thot ws smart

  81. As long as it is a fact that Sata was number 3 and top advisor to the Chiluba regime which mismanaged our economy, people in our conservative societies cannot vote for him as evidenced in outcomes of previous elections. People could have taken him serious if resigned when he saw the atrocities of Chiluba but instead he became the archtect of all of them e.g the third term. UPND has the right to say they are the largest opposition based on the fact that pf had 57 MPs and expelled 22 whose who were in the NCC which leaves them with 25, whereas UPND has 27 MPS including 3 which were grabed from MMD in the previous bye-elections. To be honest they are right to say they are the largest opposition party in zambia at the moment based on that technicality.

  82. 51 dot cheat urself,if UPND pulls out thez nothn lyk batle.RB automatically wins.nway wud luv any other tribe 2 win nt a bemba..We will hav no space 2 breath!!!U tok 2 much but very un productiv…

  83. Opposition m.a.t.o.le! Chapwa! RB awina, tapali nefya kuvota apa. Tuleya fye mu-2012, ba RB nabawina. Ababene bena Sata-wele na Ho-Ho batuposela nshita, ni ba mambala. I will never trust these guys again. Let me say this, I’m a swing voter without a party. I can’t vote for Sata alone, and will never vote for HH alone. As for RB, I can’t vote for him even if he joined the Pact. But without the PACT of Sata and Ho-Ho, I can’t vote and I’m sure I will not be the only one. Therefore, both of them stand to lose outside the Pact. But, you know, both are too dull to realise that. Famous US actor Richard Prior once said, it is dangerous when your greed exceeds your sense of self-respect. I don’t even want to wish then luck, they don’t deserve any!!!!!

  84. This time around we want real change, not these recycled politicians whose past is still fresh in our minds. Zambia is all we have and we do not it to go to dogs who have no agenda for the nation. After listening to Sata on VOA with Shaka sali, I concluded that this man is not civil, actually he is a disgrace to all zambians of substance. Honestly is that all we have as a nation to represent us internationally?. We do not want to vote for people who have no agenda for the nation, our votes should be meaningful this time around. I do not see Sata to be part of change unless you mean from frying pan to fire, because is just the same as bringing back the Chiluba regime, period.

  85. ****NOW READ THESE FACTS…….
    FACT 1: UPND CANNOT STAND OWN THEIR OWN, SO THEY WILL ALIGN WITH MMD
    FACT 2: MMD/UPND CANNOT FIELD HH, SO THEY WILL FIELD RB
    FACT 3: THE BATLE WILL THEN BE BETWEEN SATA & RB
    FACT 4: OVER THE PAST 3 YEARS A LOT OF ZAMBIANS HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN RB.
    FACT 5: SATA HAS MADE SERIOUS INROADS IN RURAL AREAS – WESTERN, N/WESTERN ETC
    FACT 6: THE OPPOSITION VOTE WHICH IS ALWAYS IN MAJORITY WILL TILT TO SATA
    FACT 7: PRINCIPLED UPND MEMBERS CANNOT SWALLOW THEIR VOMIT AFTER DEMONISING MMD FOR THE PAST 2 YEARS AND SO WILL CONTINUE OPPOSING MMD & RB
    FACT 8: THIS LEAVES SATA WITH 95% CHANCES OF SCOOPING THE PRESIDENCY
    FACT 9: THIS WILL SURELY COME TO PASS AND UPND WILL GO INTO SELF-IMPOSED OBLIVION…….MAY THEIR SOUL REST IN PEACE (MTSRIP)… BYE BYE POLIO

  86. kekekeke kikikiki. Enjoying the popcorns while watching the circus. We have known this and told them from day 0 of their Pact that it CANNOT work, and they chose to bury their heads in sand. Anyway, although the comedy has been played out so many times over the last one year, it is still laughable.

  87. GOOD..The winner is MMD…i will personally deal with SATA/HH if i hear them accusing MMD of rigging. Even in 2001 FDD spoiled the fun for UPND. Even MIYANDA thought he could win but MMD got it..SO NO ONE MUST YAP ABOUT RIGGING….
    I dont know which country these political parties come from. MMD seems more organised..come 2011 they will have MUTATI to bury the opposition once again

  88. On “UNITED Party for National Development (UPND) yesterday said it was ready to contest the 2011 presidential elections without a partnership with the PF and rejected a fresh call by the Sata-led party for a joint national committee to discuss the allocation of seats and candidacy for the pact” this is the data that MMD and PF need to know in no uncertain terms.

    I wish the UPND good luck in their participation in the 2011 campaigns.

    Make sure that PF is pushed to the distant third position so that it can become extinct in the near future.

    Be blest all and happy Sabbath.
    _
    Matt 6:33

  89. FRIENDS WHAT ABOUT A PACT AT PARLIAMENTARY LEVEL…..LET THE SELFISHNESS REMAIN AT PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL. WE NEED AN EXTREMELY POWERFUL OPPOSITION IN PARLIAMENT TO SHUT UP ALL THIEVES AND CROOKS

  90. @ 66 mama and anne. U seem to have an interlectual phobia towards tongas and HH. I honestly feel Zambia is too big govern, we dont have capability to so. Most people will tell u they cant vote for HH simply because he is tonga and tongas are selfish. HH strikes as the best candidate I can trust my childrens future to anmong all the candidates. He is smart, rich, serious, principled, 21st century, focused and highly learned. Tongas are too honest to belong to Zed. Let us make Zed a federal state and see which province will go hungry. Some provinces in Zed are totally unproductive and yet they produce the biggest mouths. Ulichisushi fye ch mama na chi anne chobe. I am sure u are illegitimately in diaspora. Pamatako penu!

  91. Today’s Post head line reads and I quote” If Sata wins I will cry -Banda”. It is a well know fact even by mmd that their only threat and party they are worried of is PF and not Upnd. RB rarely talks about HH and upnd for a simple reason that they are a small party, largely presented in Southern province .Now that the pact is no more, if mmd can’t win then PF will definitely carry the day even with a small difference with mmd and not upnd.Heed Prof Chirwa’s advice or perish.

  92. These Kaponyas in PF thought UPND was pleading for them. Since April last year HH has been pleading with PF but PF has been dancing around, now PF have realized their slim chances of winning they are getting desperate. Why should PF focus on discussing sharing positions instead of the economic agenda and other governance issues. Right now there is no province that Sata can overwhelminingly win.

  93. #127 HH shud go on his own so that we see how popular he is. upnd has been so imature from the time the pact ws launched saying they are educated and that if hh is not adopted they will vote 4 mmd. ok now go yo way and vote 4 hh. will see will see…..hh is finished politically…i willl be here on this blog to confirm my word…hh is finished. but donchi kubeba

  94. PF stop living in denial! I really want PF and UPND to go it alone so that you pf cadres can understand that your party is outed! This is the demise of pf and i want it sooner! The end of the constable/grade 4/unknown. Am so happy that this monster no where any near of corridors of power. he is finito…finished. They thought they could ride on the back of calculator boy…hahahahaha….kekekeke…hohohohoho he is always ahead of everything, no one can match his pace! The best SATANA could have done was to give him the presidency then be vice but the weed was too much for him, he always sees himself in state house, dreaming all his life. Let him be informed that he will never rule Zambia. This is the end of his political career!!!

  95. #20 is a dog. unlike him/her I like the way UPND is taking things. Its not about winning elections or removing MMD from power but moving with people that have and believe in similar ideals and development agenda. UPND and PF are incompatible. If it means being in opposition for the next two decades, so let it be! Viva UPND. Bantu banzelu!! PF will die with Sata. Once heart attack strikes Sata after losing this year’s elections, he will die, and PF will be forgotten and relegated into oblivion. Imwe bantu, take three steps backwards and think, what do you think is holding PF/ Is it not Sata? how democratic is a party centred on one man? Do we need a despotic and autocratic leader in Zambia. Libyan style of leadership? I say no!! Govt plse make a program and educate the masses about…

  96. Whether PF and UPND decide to it seprately my vote will always be for PF and SATA. He is the only one who can manage to unseat MMD with all their international & local tricks. HH can easily be dealt with and finished by MMD and RB. That is why MMD prefers HH to be pact President and fears SATA so much. There is alot of sense and wisdom in prof. Chirwa’s proposals which HH is opposed to simply because it has not put him as pact leader.
    SATA has been tried and tested by MMD but is still standing. If you want to deliver ZAMBIA vot pabwato kwasila

  97. HH and his UPND are over rating themselves, the only person Rupiah fears is Sata! HH should join MMD and stop wasting our time by playing mind games! Prof Chirwa made a very sensible proposal but HH as usual believes time is with him. Accountantants are a very deceptive bleed indeed!

  98. Congrats UPND….Thank you for being BRAVE…You tried so hard to get the PACT work, but the crookedness od PF Kaponyas messed up things for Zambia. We are going with you UPND as you are the only credible party left for Zambia

  99. #20. Problem you are a thief and you will never change, you i-d-i-o-t!!!! Any sensible person knows its not ONLY about removing MMD from power, it is about progressive leadership!!! Ndiwe kaponya wapesha mano!!! SP.

  100. Well done tired of pact issues we need to get to work and make the real change work.VIVA HH VIVA UPND. Zambia Forward

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