The Following is an open letter that was sent to UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema on 25th October 2011 using the email address on the opposition leader’s website by the author. Due to the lengthy nature of the letter. We shall publish it in two parts. The first part makes a case of tribalism against HH and the second part provides advise on how HH could deal with this issue and even hope to be Zambian president some day.
By M Makalu:-
The Post newspaper has in the recent past featured editorials condemning your “tribalistic and dangerous anti-Bemba politics.” The Zambian Inquirer asked Mr. Cornelius Mweetwa, Deputy Spokesperson of UPND and Choma Constituency MP, to comment on these allegations. Here is what he said,
“The (tribalism) attacks (from The Post) are unfair as the regional support given to the UPND is not different from that received by other parties including the Patriotic Front (PF).” He continued that, “A careful analysis of election results has revealed that the major political parties have attracted a home vote associated with a leader of the party. Further since 2001, UPND has received least votes in Northern, Luapula; while Sata has received support from the regions associated with his tribe.”
I want to give you that ‘careful analysis of elections results.’ Because clearly, if Mr. Mweetwa has ever done any careful analysis, he cannot tell such lies in the media; unless if he just wants to deceive you and the Zambian people. Or perhaps he is acting under your instructions, which I believe not, to defend your tribalism even if it means lying to the Zambian people.
According to the careful analysis, Mr. HH, the facts are:
- The regional support given to the UPND is VERY DIFFERENT from that received by other parties from the region of their presidents.
- The support Sata has received from regions associated with his tribe is not abnormal such that you should compare and use it to defend your tribalism.
- Further from 2001, UPND has received least votes not just from Northern and Luapula, as if Bembas were tribalistic, but from other regions as well: Livingstone Constituency, Copperbelt, Lusaka and Eastern provinces. You have grown by just over 1% in Western, North western and Central combined.
- Your party has received 99% growing support only from areas with growing anti-Bemba sentiments. Is that a coincidence?
Let us begin the ‘careful analysis’ that proves the above facts.
Please notice that since you took over from Mazoka, UPND has lost support as follows:
Northern – from 1.88% to 0.58% and Luapula – 1.20% to 0.35%. According to your reasoning, you continue to receive this declining support in these regions due to Bembas being tribalistic (taking their votes to somebody of their tribe). What about Copperbelt? From 8.32% to 3.54%. Or that too is part of “regions associated with Sata’s tribe”?
In Lusaka too, your support keeps falling. In fact, in Lusaka, your decline in support was even higher than that in Bemba territories? Your support fell from 16.80% in 2001 to 8.96% in 2011; that is a drop of 7.84% compared to Copperbelt of 4.78%.
How do you explain that? What is making you conclude that your support in Northern and Luapula, and for argument’s sake, Copperbelt, has been declining due to Bembas being tribalistic, while that in Lusaka declines for a reason other than tribalism? Or do you consider Lusaka as being Bemba territory as well?
[pullquote]‘Tribalism’ means, “Behaviour and attitudes arising from a person’s strong loyalty to his/her tribe (or social group) based on the prejudice that his/her tribe is ‘special’ while the other tribes are ‘wrong.’”[/pullquote]
Then what about Eastern province? Your support in Eastern shot to 18.81% in 2006 from Mazoka’s 1.98% in 2001. You will probably argue that this is proof of your tribalism explanation to voting behavior. I say so because in 2006, you headed a coalition of UNDP, FDD and UNIP (UDA – United Democratic Alliance). FDD and UNIP were started by Easterners: (C. Tembo and Kaunda).So in your tribalistic view of things, easterners voted for you because you allied with their tribal relatives.
If that is the case, why did you manage a paltry 18.81% and not the over 52% you scooped from Southern province? Are you saying Easterners are tribalistic against their fellow tribesmen? Because in 2006, Levy Mwanawasa, a non-Easterner, polled higher votes than you who allied with Easterners. He got 148,139 while you got 130,485, with Sata at 36,677. In 2008 and 2011, your Eastern vote has seen a downward trend: 3.29% in 2008 and 2.11% in 2011. How do you explain that, tribalism?
You are deliberately misleading the Zambian people when you send your spokesperson to say things like, “Further since 2001, UPND has received least votes in Northern, Luapula; while Sata has received support from the regions associated with his tribe.”
The truth, Sir, is: Further since 2001, UPND has received least votes in Northern, Luapula, Copperbelt, Lusaka and Eastern provinces; while Sata has received support BOTH from regions associated and not associated with his tribe. We will look at Sata’s statistics in a moment.
Your declining support, Sir, EVERYWHERE, not just in Northern and Luapula, is NOT due to tribalism. Livingstone constituency, among your fellow Tongas, attests to this point.
While Mazoka won Livingstone constituency with 53.52% (11,617 votes), UPND under your leadership has never won Livingstone on its own. In 2008 and 2011, you lost to Rupiah Banda.
It is even more enlightening when one realizes that you keep losing in Livingstone, while you win the other 18 constituencies in Southern province with very high margins, averaging 80% to 90%.
If you explain your declining votes in Northern and Luapula as being due to tribal reasons, what do you say is the reason Livingstone has never voted for you? The only time you won Livingstone was in 2006, as UDA, when you polled 15,198 votes (42.22%).
Since tribalism cannot explain this rare victory for you in Livingstone, we also cannot assume that your popularity in Eastern province in 2006 was because you allied with easterners. So your 18.81% popularity there was not due to tribalism either.
My point, Mr. HH, is this: It is true that you get your least votes from Northern and Luapula provinces and that since 2001, your support there keeps declining. But it is not only in Northern and Luapula where your popularity keeps declining, it is in many parts of Zambia. You are therefore, being malicious and simplistic when you explain this as, “Sata receiving support from the regions associated with his tribe.”
[pullquote]Your Tonga tribe is ‘special’ because it votes for you; Bembas are ‘wrong’ because they do not vote for you. You are therefore, singling Bembas out, telling lies in the media, that Northerners and Luapulans take their votes to somebody associated with their tribe. You want others to share your negative attitude about Bembas (and your positive attitude about Tongas). That is tribalism.[/pullquote]
Clealry, you are seeing tribalism where it is not. I think this is because you practice politics of tribalism, as the following statistics reveal.
Mr. HH, since you took over UPND, it has registered growth in Southern, Western, North Western and Central provinces. Your growth of 0.13% in Eastern, 0.24% in North Western and 1.02% in Central, cannot definitely compare with 16.20% in Southern province. So clearly, your focus is Tongaland, the region of your tribe. That Mr. HH is what makes you a tribalist. We have not even mentioned the fact that you have let your support fall in the other five provinces, which means you do not care about them.
‘Tribalism’ means, “Behaviour and attitudes arising from a person’s strong loyalty to his/her tribe (or social group) based on the prejudice that his/her tribe is ‘special’ while the other tribes are ‘wrong.’”
Your Tonga tribe is ‘special’ because it votes for you; Bembas are ‘wrong’ because they do not vote for you. You are therefore, singling Bembas out, telling lies in the media, that Northerners and Luapulans take their votes to somebody associated with their tribe. You want others to share your negative attitude about Bembas (and your positive attitude about Tongas). That is tribalism.
You aspire to be president of Zambia but all you have done since taking over UPND is gunning support from your tribe, raising it from Mazoka’s 36% in 2001 to 52% in 2011
(16% growth). If we follow the 50 plus 1 rule, which you are an advocate of, you have effectively turned what was once a United Party for National Development (UPND) into a United Party for Tribalistic Development (UPTD). UPND is no longer national; it is Tonga – Tribalistic.
[pullquote]You aspire to be president of Zambia but all you have done since taking over UPND is gunning support from your tribe, raising it from Mazoka’s 36% in 2001 to 52% in 2011[/pullquote]
Because of this tribalistic mindset of yours, you maliciously accuse others to be like you. When your spokesperson says, “A careful analysis of election results has revealed that the major political parties have attracted a home vote associated with a leader of the party,” you are accusing Mwanawasa, Banda and Sata to be like you.
But once again, a careful analysis reveals otherwise, proving the malice in your tribalistic propaganda. We will just go in details on Sata’s results; Banda’s and Mwanawasa’s.
TO BE CONTINUED IN PART II
Zambia is a country full of Tribalists and bigots and you dare call yourselves a Christian nation. You are not fooling God, that’s for sure!!
honey do you hate all other tribes apart from yours, l don,t l love all Zambians
bemba fools
oh sorry
And the point of this hate mail is?
here we go??????
UPND should go to a convention and re-brand under a new administration.
The tongas want a Tonga to be president by any means, while the whole zambia want a Zambian president. Let all tonga vote tonga tribal party and all Zambians vote a president for all Zambians. Tongas want plot 1, but so do all zambians thats why we have elections and you will never ever put a tonga in plot as long as you want this triball bais, one zambia one nation to all peace loving zambians…they cannot impose under5 on us thats why we have polls for all Zambians to vote
write like a learned person and not like a fool.
This is an individual’s warpped opinion and is rubbish! It doesn’t warrant any reasonable comment because it doesn’t have any facts!
What kind of facts do you want my learned fellow?
Altho0ugh I’m not a fan of HH and his UPND, I think the letter has a very shallow and childish analys and is a little bit over the top. I don’t think HH is such an evil person and I think it is unfair to compare him with Mazoka. What helped Anderson Mazoka was that he joined politics with a much higher national profile after having worked for Anglo-American Corporation for decades. Whereas, for HH, he was coming from the backrooms of an acounting firm virtually unknown. I didn’t know HH before Mazoka died, and I know I’m not the only one. The biggest blunder HH made is that on top of not being known, he got his presidency on a tribal campaign that UPND can only be led by a Tonga. That was stupid of him to have used that strategy, literally hounding out Sakwiba and Chisanga.
#4 ARISTO – Absolutely. I agree with you.
Excellent analysis. True for this under-5 chap. Anyway, he will NEVER rule Zambia because ushis will continue shooting him down.
whoever wrote this article is a monkey, go get a job at shoprite… there is tribalism in all regions of zambia and most of these leaders are voted for mostly by their tribesmen. now monkey, stop giving some stupid comparisons to defend others and destroy others… monkey! dont even post part2 monkey! sata gets the bembas, hh gets the tongas and u share the rest and the best man wins mr monkey!
So you guys can call each other monkeys?So what is wrong with other races branding you as monkeys?
#6 you must be one of HH’s hench men, this letter is full of numbers to hilt and you can check the electoral commission website and do your own analysis and you will see the say. No wonder you guys will never rule Zambia because you are so blind to every truth out there. You thought you were popular than PF and as they say the rest is history.
What facts do you want over and above the numbers expounded here. You just hate us and continue to hate us and you will died in your hatred and the next Zambian ruler will probably come from Zambezi while you wallow in your tribalistic myopia.
The truth hurts.
let us face facts head on, bembas are trible and so are the tongas( not every1, but majority).
The news is boring these days yaaaaaaaawn aaaaaaaaah.
IM TONGA MARRIED TO A BEMBA, I GET SO OFFENDED WHEN I READ SUCH ARTICLES, SOMETIMES I THINK MAY BE I JUST MARRY A TONGA BECAUSE ITS LIKE THIS WAR WILL NEVER END,ONE DAY I MAY KILL MY OWN WIFE BECAUSE OF SUCH THINGS,FOR SURE ITS OPEN FOR EVERY ONE TO SEE THAT ALL PARTY LEADERS RECIEVE SUPPORT FROM THEIR AREAS OF ORIGIN,BUT IF WE JUST SAY HH IS TRIBAL,BUT MAZOKA WAS NOT TRIBAL WHAT IS THE LOGIC,MAZOKA NEVER HAD SUPPORT FROM NOTHERN,LUAPULA AND COPPERBELT UBARN, SAME LIKE HH, SATA HAS SUPPORT IN NORTHERN AND LUAPULA, RB HAD SUPPORT FROM EASTERN ,MWANAWASA HAD SUPPORT IN CENTRAL BUT YOU ARE NOT SAYING THEY ARE TRIBAL. THE WORRY IS ON MY SON, I WOULD HAVE MARRIED A TONGA SO THAT WHEN IM ANGERED BY SUCH ARTICLE I DONT THINK IS ALSO THINKING THE SAME. I WISH BAROTSELAND DOCUMENT CAN BE SIGNED.
Leave you wife before you kill her mate because the BRE agreement will never be signed we will never give any of our country away
In short, all tribes in Zambia are tribalists!!! Period! stop finger pointing!!
Iwe Makulu, you’re also a tribalist!
The sentiments in this part of the later are sourced from deep hatred for HH. I wonder how they arived at those statistics. Most likely from likely from the absolute values obtained from election results. Don’t just get those values and sit down, calculating your percentages like a grade seven class exercise. You need to subject those figures to proper statistical refinement and establish whether there is significant decline in the support as you claim. You come out with your dogmatic illusions and expect convince prudent Zambians? Anyway, let’s wait for the second part of your dogma and see what it holds.
hh is 85% right
#6 Chande Beu, who are the “us” you are referring to? That is the problem with commenting based on very limited knowledge of what you want to comment about! What numbers can justify the lunacy experessed in the lunatic’s opinion above? Can you tell me how Mazoka fared in 2001 in Northern and Luapula provinces and Copperbelt urban where the majority are bemba speaking? Is it different from what HH got in 2006, 2008 and 2011? Pls don’t mention figures that have no relevance to what you are trying to justify!
ichilema cannot rule mpaka the upnd rebrands
the likes of Garry Nkombo and Douglas Syalakima should plan to retire in politics and will reach Daniel Munkombwe’s age still boot-licking and doing politics of the stomach/hunger
wanzelu @6 uli chipuba.its tongas like you…
Can we stop this tribalism shit pliz!!!.. I feel attacked because I don’t know my tribe or region where I come for my Dad is Lozi/Luvale en my Mum is Bemba/Ushi..What I know for sure is Im a Zambian PERIOD!!! hence pipo aspiring to become my leaders, more so, as presidos should really see us through as Zambians not the HH type.. HH pliz repent or else we are scared to vote for you as our president despite yo good party policies because we fear the tribalism tug PERIOD…Kindly repent, repent be national to garner the necessary support….PERIOD
#22, hmm, am sorry to mention that you are also tribalist!
RUBBISH ARTICLE AND NO COMMENT
This article is extremely in bad faith, very back-ward and divisive. It is like being back in 17th Century. It does not do any good to all tribes mentioned, recipe for fueling tribal hatred.
No thanks will not bother to read part 2
if you cant agree with the writer’s language i will accept that but to say that he is not factual is just to shallow. he has given you the figures and those figures are true. the fact is HH is very tribalistic in his politics, Mazoka the great son of Tongaland and Zambia did his best to keep the tribal perception away from UPND. HH has failed to that. if HH continues like that, trust me, he will never ever rule Zambia. he has to change and be at peace with all tribes. i want him to rule Zambia one day, but first he has to delete this tribal tag on him.
Mr. Makalu is trying to use logic wrongly. All this man is saying is that Tongas are tribalistic. More like pointing at a stick in another’s eye and forgetting the log in your own. Bottom line is, if RB and Sata can be presidents of Zambia, so can HH be. Even the Tongas want to feel what it is like to have their own in State House. No one can convince me that that the Lundas, Kaondes, Lozis etc would not want one of their own in State House. Let me state here for posterity, that the next election will bring any of these other tribes into State House. If it means ganging up in daylight to achieve this, it will be done. In other words, Chipimo (one of the best around) will have to wait for another time because the stakes are getting higher.
#14 Guys
I hope the police visit these sites because your wife-the mother of your children- needs protection from you. In civlised societies you would not walk streets tomorrow as a free man you would either be sectioned to psychiatry hospital or just thrown into prison for contemplating murder of your innocent wife. Only a very sick person would even entertain a thought of killing their wife just because someone has disrespected their tribe. You nuaseating mate, wish you die yourself in a car accident before you kill an your innocent harmless wife.
#21 Imbwa, typical pf kaponya mentality. What makes you think that am Tonga? I speak perfect bemba because it’s my language unlike you who just adopted it!
Wat a sh*t of a trash…! Makalu amukunda muchele__omuzindo.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
That article is full of malice, you can tell from the language that the writer was biased.The tone of the letter doesnt match with facts he is presenting,the writer seems to be post sponsored chap.To me it doesnt look like an independent research with a pure motive of advising, bt rather demean the UPND leader.The language tell is all.The only objective successfully achieved is satisfying the egos of those against HH.
SUCH ARTICLES STINK AND ONLY BRING TRIBALISM…MXXXXM
Mr Makulu or whatever, while i agree with you that upnd under hh has become tribalistic, i beg to differ with you on your simplistic analysis that this is only peculiar to upnd. Fact is modern day zambian politics have become dangerously regional. Alignment to a political party is by and large driven by region other than quality or manifesto and this cleavage is seemingly here to stay because the ideals of the founding fathers of zambia have been trashed. Identity is slowly being defined by one’s tribe and not nationality and under such an arrangement those from populous tribes shall continue to rule unless a catastrophe happens like the one in the making by sata.
Imwe ba Democracy Have you come to split our country? Then its better to go back to dictatorship!
We are all tribalists, look at Sata’s cabinet Minister and their Deputies. Can you tell me how many people are from different tribes? The appointment of police commissioners, count how many Bembas are there? The permanent secretaries, why the insistence on appointing Mwamba and Chungu?? Come on Zambians; do not point a finger at your friend when you are also doing the same. This letter is stupid. You should not even print the second part; you are advocating for tribalism and creating hatred among Zambians by bringing up stupid stuff.
UPND needs to restructure its leadership from top-most to down. Look at the leadership, they are all Tongas!! The people that were non-tongas during Mazoka’s time all have left UPND. It needs an overhaul if it want to survive in Zambian Political landscape. The other option is that HH has to rebrand himself and have rallies in provinces of Zambia not only in Southern Province alone.
south & north repel… tongas should support the lozi and separate..
try it and you will be seeking refugee in nambia or angola
when you read this article it shows that some one is not open minded. It is nottaking into consideration what the realite on the ground is. Facts
1. Why MC won are
that the man was already in politics and had a strategy. HH lost because he found himself amongest Giants and had no clear strategy
2.We can not outrightly claim Zambians are tribalist but you look at the amount of work each politician has put in MC campaigned vigorious in areas that are dominated by the bemba language and HH also did the same. If you look at the campaign trail, MC was in NP,CB LuaP, did quiet well in EP though not first and of coarse LSK his base.
Mazoka had more support than HH is Southern province, Western, Central and Lusaka provinces. The writer’s numbers mean nothing to defend tribal voting. Actually when you carefully analyse these UPND has got least results in Bemba speaking areas, Mazoka tried to break into Bemba speaking areas he failed to win votes. Most of the voters in Copperbelt are bemba speaking people only in rural areas do we find other languages and no wonder PF lose in those same areas. HH has spent much time campaigning and selling his party in bemba speaking areas but to no avail. What will help Zambia in long run in decentralisation and devolution of powers to the provinces. Look at what we have a president, who has spent more than 30 days appointing people and nothing else.
If I were HH, I would read this letter over and over and make drastic decisions in my political career. The only problem I find I find with HH is expecting a vote in Kaputa when he never sold himself there. Its not about tribe. This mistake was made by Sata in 2006 and 2008. The old man never campaigned in N/W, Southern & Western, yet he expected to win. The same way HH neglected canvassing for votes in Luapula, Northern, Eastern> campaign through out and you shall get your reward. Dont give up because you are tonga, give up because you failed to win an election!
wether upnd is trible or not, ask sakwiba sikota!
At Chali thats the best answer. Sakwiba Sikota was told that the Presidency of UPND is only for Tongas and the man was frusted and made his own party. I think this is the reason UPND has failed to scope the Livingstone parley seat.
Lt please stop publishing anything talking about tribalism ,we are all zambians.one zambia one nation.
Every problem has a solution. From now onwards, Ballot Forms should not say anything about Tribe or Province of origin. These forms MUST be boycotted. What we need is a peaceful Zambia as in One Zambia One Nation.
One Zambia One Nation let us continue to live together as one, no one tribe has the God given right to rule Zambia. Its for this reason we have elections to vote in a President, this time the people voted for HE MCS, because he sold himself well. Everyone aspires to be leader, but to be leader of Zambia you need to embrace all tribes and not just want a member of your tribe to become president, we have 73 tribes in our beloved country imagine if every tribe wanted only their tribes men to become presidents. l personnally don,t mind a ngoni,Lozi,mambwe, Lala, Lenje,bemba, tonga. luvale…etc as long as the people of zambia vote for them…but the idea that under5 should go to state house cos some deluded tonga wants him can,t work. As for now Ba Sata,s PF NI BOMA.. hate him TOUGH 4 U
Amazing how much hatred of the Tongas is revealed on this website. I am Tonga but I find it very disconcerting to find this attitude among fellow citizens. The Post newspaper must bear certain responsibility for labelling Southern Province Bantustan for supporting UPND. If the other tribes think the Tongas are tribalists it is time that Tongas demanded a federal system of government. We can develop our part of Zambia faster than other provinces. We Tongas have lived in Zambia for thousands of years, we did not come from the Congo, South Africa or other places. Federalism is best system of government.
it is hard sometimes to get the logic from our tonga brothers’ arguments. they are saying bembas didnt vote for HH because of tribal grounds yet HH didn’t campaign in these areas. in 2008 i was working from Luapula and this year i am in Northern but i never heard or saw HH coming for campaigns neither did he field in parliamentary candidates in these areas. How do u expect the bembas to vote for him. even when u accuse do so from a factual situation. let us not divide our beloved Zambia. both tongas and bembas are Zambians alike. May God bless Zambia
rubbish analysis.think using your heads and not using your feelings which can change at any time. don’t hate the innocent HH. you need to go back to primary school for you to be able to do a simple analysis. why do you hate tongas like this?
Really empty and baseless,cmon guys give the man a break
From a distance, Zambia looks united and great! Whenever I think of home I think of it nostalgically as I remember great days on the Copperbelt, the melting pot of the country where tribe diminishes and everyone speaks the same language. I am far away from home in a region where fractures are rife on ethnic lines – but you hardly witness the bigotry so fervently as I tend to read about in our Zambian press. Is it possible to work on this and turn the entire country into a “copperbelt”??? That province is a model example of what the entire country ought to be. Come on, brothers and sisters, we can do it. Or should it always be “From A Distance”???
Why so much hatred among fellow Zambians? A tribe is simply a norm that describes the origins of our forefathers. I am a bemba with several lozis, lundas, chewas, ngonis, lambas, and mostly tonga friends and relatives. If God can redo what he did at babel, then please, I would love tongas to be bembas, lozis to be ushis etc so that we can live as a people of the same country. Let no one even think this is a joke. 2 tribes in Rwanda and Burundi killed nearly 1 million of their fellow countrymen and it started mildly as we are doing. We all as Zambians, are trodding on deadly grounds here. Lets agree to disagree before we break even the ability to torelate divergiant views, the essence of freedom.
Number 4///Guys send me the phone number of your wife, Iam Bemba. I will marry her after u divorce.The fact is that a TONGA cannot rule zambia, imagine we wake up and apresident is a TONGA oh..my foot. We dont want to eat mabisi!!!! Lets just co-exist by inter marrying so that less popular tribes will be in extinction. But gentlemen u can concur with me that Tongas only marry each other the same with LOZIS all other tribes are flexible so musazifwenge aTonga lets intermarry
come on boyi l want his wife as well ala iwe, better still let the bemba chief in command of the army do what should have been done 47 yrs ago send us non tongas & non lozi,s to these tribal lands and deal with them and breed with their women so we can turn them into bemba new kasama
This data sounds accurate. I dont see why people should insult. all what the writer is saying is that HH should not confine himself to Tongas only, He is a National leader let him be seen to be so. Me personally I have no problem having a Tonga in plot 1 provided he/she is able to deliver and is not a tribalist period.
What is the point of this article? Naimwe ba LT, why are you fuelling the flames of tribalism? What happened to ‘One Zambia, One Nation’. When I was growing up I didn’t know or even care what the ethnic groups of my classmates were. As far as we were concerned we were just Zambians. What is wrong with this generation? Of what benefit is tribalism to anyone in the long term?
This amounts to hate speech. blame the post newspaper for this. They are the originators of hate speech. Mmembe will one day find himself at the hage. It happened in Rwanda. Tutsis were being called caocroches. This is sickening. Can the UPND file a complaint with the UN about this hate speech sponsored by the post
The Post always say the truth. They have even advised HH on several forums but HH thinks he is a god. Let him rule southern if he wants but not Zambia. HH is a tribal goong. I end here!
monkeys at plays. Always at mischief. Monkeys, monkeys. Thwy will be monkeys
Another one
This article is just a fuel to even ;ore tribal nonsense in the country. LT can you please give us objective news and please do research on topics before publishing. One cue you should have looked at is what caused the Burundi and Rwanda wars. Perhaps you would have reconsidered. In any case the cat is out of the bag and any escalation of tribal trash should not make you cry foul for inciting the public with malicious publications
Let sleeping dogs lie…………………………
ONE ZAMBIA, ONE NATION. An octopus of a slogan used only when its ends serves our intents and purposes,
YEBO Mukula. ULIMUBWA MACENDE AAKO Koyooko okana ka mubemba
This is a stupidy article written by a Tribalistic Fool from my tribe. If u look at sata his support is among bembas, if UPND was tribal they wouldn’t have won sits in western,central and Nwp. The bottom line is that us Bembas feel like we are the only tribe in Zambia. Why point a finger at others when we are the worst tribal grouping . Tongas have alawys voted for bembas e.g Chiluba and Kaunda . The only issue here is that no tribe in Zambia have stood up and challenge this Bemba stupid dominance. Am glad Tongas have stood up and challenge us. So the only reason we hate Tongas is that the have refused to be under dogs get a magnet point S and N they will repel
WARNING. This kind of thinking (from ths letter) will only fuel tribal hatred.
Can someone tell me if all the people from Northern Province and Luapula are Bembas. Shallow knowledge. Grow up and use your rationality correctly. No sense, use your introspective and think. Foolish comments with your shallow rationality. Think!
Hopeless article written by stupid Mmembe.
Some Zambian journalists are acting irresponsibly. Why are you pendling this issue? Remember in the tongue, in this pen, is power of life or death. Ba LT please build Zambia don’t destroy it. You have a greater responsibility than fueling hatred among loving Zambians. Please act accordingly.
this nothing compared to the crap the tongas are putting on Zambian watchdog with an some tonga mp dressed in some stupid t-shirt
The writings on their T-shirts is what you call them and they are simply showing you the ends of your foolishness. Period!
The author of this article is very immature! If assuming he is right then he should also have done a comparison of other parties e.g. PF & MMD. Voting is usually regional world over. Look at USA where certain areas vote for Republicans and others for Democrats…Those who normally accuse others of being tribalists are tribalists themselves. Comparing Andy and HH is totally unfair. The two are very different! And mind you the fact that more people vote for a particular party doesn’t mean that party is the best! By Zambian political standards it may mean the party knows how to appeal to the minds of people more by making promises they know they won’t accomplish!
HH can just go to such areas and explain his mind and apologise for being negative. He is an aspiring presidential candident, so being a leader he must be possitive when dealing with such issues. He wo’nt loose anything by humblying himself before all Zambians. He should stop going in the way of confrontation when dealing with his own future leadership. People want to identify those who can fulfill their needs. Just sell yourself positively HH and you’re at PLOT1
I have no better ways of describing the author of this article. But what I am sure of is that he is a biggest piece of SHIT that has ever existed.
The publisher’s intention is to decampaign HH, lets be careful with such stupid, selfish individuals. You concetrate on developmental issues. Stop attaching individuals & concetrate on developing Zambia. there is a lot more to do in zambia than concetrating on such useless attacks. LT what up to let such nonsence!!!!
facts now are that Sata is the worst tribalist! Makalu is a tribalist & very dull i can only guess that he is a product of some leakages at G7, 9 & 12.
One Zambia – One Nation, Lets change the name of our country to North Rhodesia
PF and their supporters are so scared of HH. Of course as expected this write up does not make sense because the analysis shallow. There were 10 contenders why didn`t the writer of this article -Makala provide data for all the contenders and prove that HH `s trend suggested tribalism. Even that will not be enough becoz tribalism is an attitude and perception a survey will have to be conducted to establish whether thoese who voted for HH did so becoz of his tribe. I am not tonga and what i know is that my people North Western province voted for HH because he is the right guy to get Zambia out of the mess it is today. PF has being given chance to prove themselves and instead ranting show us that your strategies are smart- Which i doubt!
Only a shallow-minded person can take this Makalu (Magalu?) seriously. Dr Johnson was right when he said statistics can be manipulated create damned lies. Statistics can be given a particular slant to present a particular message. Makalu is a dull chap who thinks every reader is too dull to see through his manipulation of statistics. WHAT DOES MAGALU SAY ABOUT THE COMPOSITION OF THE PF CABINET? IS THAT NOT TRIBALISM?? If the statement was made by Mweetwa, why is the attack targeted at HH?? Would it be right to attack SAta for everything said by LUbinda? Makalu is a dangerous tribalist who shares Fraud Mmembe’s hatred for HH and Tongas. Makalu thinks that it is fine to fan tribal conflicts as long as his narrow objective of fighting HH is achieved… Makalu, find a life, you’re pathetic
And why is it that most bembas complain about almost every tribe– during Mwanawasa you complained about the lenjes and lambas, RB you complained abou abaku-chipata, i remember i was on an assignment in Kasama and could hear people saying —–abena mwanga/abamambwe balishupa, bambas complain about lozis, complain about lalas, they complain about abku-luapula, etc. The question is; is there a tribe that bembas dont complain about?
All i know is that one day each tribe will have a tribesmate they shall call president of Zambia we may not understand why other tribes are in such a hurry to force matters but believe you me a lozi, kaonde, luvale, tonga will also live in state house all they will have to do is sale themselves well to the electorate. Who in his right mind ever thought a black man would inhabit the White House. Please as we debate no tribe is better than others we have all 73 tribes made Zambia what it is/it is not today.
HH is not going any place near plot 1, let all the tongas vote tonga tribal party , the rest 72 tribes will elect a Zambian president. Under5 supporters you can never impose this experienced loser on us, he has lost thrice time he gave it up..the problem the tongas have is the belief that only a tonga should be president, elections are for the whole of zambia, looking at the way HH and his party are behaving the Zambian people will keep on rejecting you till you embrace 1 zambia 1 nation, failure to do so will leaving you barking & chasing your tails forever.
LUSAKA TIMES – I appeal to you to exercise a little caution in the way you make your publications. Just a piece of brotherly advice. You are doing a very good job. However, don’t forget that among those serving lengthy jail sentences in the Hague are former journalists from Rwanda. You have a responsibility to balance freedom of speech and responsible hosting. If civil trouble were to erupt, you could find yourself in trouble in future. Stories and discussions like these just plant deep division between tribes in Zambia. If civil war broke out in future I would not be surprised. This villification of Tongas is hard to understand even if I’m not Tonga. For sure, Zambia will never be the same again. That I’m very sure. The problem is that our division is coming at the wrong time. SAD!!!
I used to think most Zambians were civilized. I now wish MMD had continued, then this tribal warfare would have not come out. One tribal party accusing another tribal party of tribalism
You all cann’t read the bigger picture. HH explain to us your manifesto than this rubbish, tribal politics. Only then will we decide to buy it or not. You are all under 5s in politics. Why cann’t you ask this interllectual to sale his manifesto than keep it like shrine. And give us this press conferences about this Bemba tribe and that rubbish.
Mr Makalu is the worst tribalist Zambia has ever seen. if he can spend time writing such a lengthy tribal article one wonders how hatefull this man is.
Braggadocio@73 l very much agree with for one to be president one has to sale him/herself to the whole nation, no tribal has a God given right to rule Zambia we all have the same rights. Obama did not sale himself to the african-Americans alone but to the whole of the USA cos the black vote is a tiny minority in that country.So anyone thinking a tribal vote will get him to plot 1 better think again…any tribe can produce a leader, but we want a Zambian leader not a tribal leader 1 zambia 1 nation
You friends are talking about exploration to Mars, Jupiter, and beyond. They are talking about innovations and creating new products like ipads, ipods, and nexus phones, while you sit there writing nonsensical tribal articles. What is the benefit. What you going to gain by hating the other tribe? What profit is there? Just pure madness
I am sure Makulu your SMALL MYOPIC DINOSAROUS BRAIN has learnt something from the reactions you have received from the readers of your ill-conceived article aimed at fuelling tribal hatred. Whether you like it or not one day this country will be ruled by someone from the other tribes which havent ruled yet because it is is God who chooses leaders. As long as He is not bemba, tonga or from any other ethnic grouping in this country at the opportune time He will appoint someone from these other tribes. Just like the American put into the White House a black man something that no one could ever imagine that it could happen. And it unfolded in this very generation.
Your comments, makes sad reading. Much as the article may not be liked by so many of you, I see some truth in it. The best for UPND is to change cause of action and re-strategise so that the numbers can be in their favor.
If indeed Tongas resort to insults and condemnation of the bare truth in the is really sad.
Advise to Milupi, detach from this tribe tag if there is any in your party and work beyond your tribe boundaries to establish yourself. Set base in Northern territory and when you get the vote their it will be walk over in WP and NWP.
As for our collegues in SP they have got it wrong and time will tell. “Ukupoka ichisenda ku nkoko kunakilila” Consult a Northerner what this means, that is why is at the helm.
your words are those of wisdom, may you be blessed more
I can’t believe this!!! Some people are threatening to divorce,others its world war III.What in the world i going on? I do believe in freedom of speech but only where maturity is exercised.One thing I am sure of is that the next generation in Zambia knows no tribe.So once all of you bogotted people have passed on our children will always remember that the most important thing is that we are all Zambians, patriotic Zambians.
How did we get to this stage??…our forefathers: KK & other Independence freedom fighters laid the foundation and the path and we are straying…please let common-sense prevail!!
This article leaves out a few points that must be corrected. 1. HH’s support in southern province has gone up compared to Mazoka because people in Southern province knew HH as a farmer well before he became a politician. HH has at least a farm in Mazabuka, Monze, Choma, Livingstone and 7 in kalomo. Mazoka did not have such investment in southern province and thereby was not known there before taking politics. 2. The article has not looked and qualifications fo the candidates. In 2001 when Mazoka lost even Mazoka supportes said that Mwanawasa was a quality candidate based on his qualifications and moral standing in society. Suffice to say that is still took a Bemba sitting president Chiluba to rigg and still the vote from Mazoka. Now, tell us why Chipimo got more votes in Northern tha HH
I find the article to be authored by a very stupid, shallow minded semi literate that sill needs to go to school to learn some bit of critical thinking. Any editor allowing such folly is as stupid as the author. I am sure and i have followed Zambian politics, at no time has HH ever told pipo to vote for him bease they belong to the same tribe. What his voters nay have looked inot is his CV. Anyway, Guess the artcle is based on malice and total stupidity.
The article has a few facts that need correction. HH has more in Southern province than Mazoka because HH has been known in the province than Mazoka. HH has at least a farm in Mazabuka, Monze, Choma, L/stone and 7 in Kalomo, and an abbotoir in Kalomo. Mazoka did not have such invsetment in the province and therefore was unknown before he became a politician. Secondly, the article does not state qualifications of the leaders. In 2001 when Mazka lost even his supporters said that Mwanawasa was a quality leader based on education qualification and moral standing in society. Suffice to say that it stil took a Bemba sitting president to rig and steal the vote from Mazoka. Now tell us why in 2011 Chipimo got more votes than HH in Northern and Luapula
Why is it that most bembas complain about almost every tribe? During Mwanawasa time they compalined about the lambas/lenjes, in RB`s time it was abakuChipata, I was in Kasama on a government assignment at one i on several times heard compalints about abenamwanga, abenamambwe balishupa, bembas complain about lalas, bembas compalain about abakuluapula, bembas complain about the lozis, etc. Is there a tribe that bembas do not complain about?
Why is it that most bembas complain about almost every tribe? During Mwanawasa time they compalined about the lambas/lenjes, in RB`s time it was abakuChipata, I was in Kasama on a government assignment at one i on several times heard compalints about abenamwanga, abenamambwe balishupa, bembas complain about lalas, bembas compalain about abakuluapula, bembas complain about the lozis, etc. The question is; Is there a tribe that bembas do not complain about?
Ka HH must go to hell!!
I have no problem voting for HH…am Bemba. He needs to do the following first. stand as MP and start from parliament first so that we can watch his growth and get to know him. Let UPND party structure comprise of other tribesmen ( Sata should also be fair with his appointments to allow other tribes feel part of this country) lastly UPND needs rebranding and shed this tribal shadow once and for all. It was easier for Mazoka because he had a huge CV that spoke for him but we didnt know HH….accountants are not famous thats why its been very hard to sell him to the public.
Magalu or Galu as you are called comment on the PF appointments and its cabinet composition and then objectively discuss tribal inclination of all political parties than only on one political party.u are a foolish and worst tribalist.
This whole tribal analysis is wrong.
The uptake of new voters who were Bemba changed the patterns of how many votes could be obtained in 2011.
The only reason Sata won was that Bemba’s had more newly registered voters than UPND.
These facts were noticed months before the election and most people knew that this election was going to be tribal.
Sata went on to steal MMD old timers who were known to be dirty and corrupt.
He sidelined them so they had no power.
Where is Motor Mouth Mike these days? What is Mbita doing today? Will Chipata stay with MMD?
When you have a mob(lets say Tribe) who only want MMD out then power of the voters will win.
Sata will be a one term president like Banda.
He got his chance so let watch him waste it now.
Here is a sober analysis…Firstly its only human nature that if a candidate in an election has not been to a certain regional to market him/herself then people won’t know such said candidate! However, if all candidates have never marketed themselves but come election time people will come and vote and when the electorate look at the ballot paper what they see are names and chances are people are inclined to vote for a name they can relate to…this point is very relate to the rural vote.
Bottom line UPND need to rebrand or get rid of HH! that is if UPND what to get to Plot One. Here some facts that have resulted in UPND and HH being label tribalist party. After the death of Mazoka (MHSRIP) the seemingly all inclusive party was hijacked by some Tonga Tribalists (included renowned Tonga politicians) who felt since Mazoka was Tonga only a follow Tonga could and should at all cost lead the UPND to Plot One. These hijackers even had a meeting well publicized in a town in southern province to find a Tonga replacement of Mazoka. This group went as far as suggesting name such a Mutinta Mazoka (late Mazoka’s Wife) or bringing in Leonard Hikaumba (Trade Union guy) thats how tribal the UPND became! At which enter an young opportunist Hakainde Hichilema (next page)
Just harmmered the nail on the head.
What Mazoka (& the original UPND) had done was transcend beyond tribal politics and assemble a brilliant group of people to lead Zambia. Good men i.e. Sakwiba Skota (back then) and Patrick Chisanga (both Veeps) these men for many months were at the helm of UPND when late Mazoka was ill making sure the UPND stood firm and grow! And when Mazoka died a bunch of Tribalist came in and sweep these men aside to impose HH on tribal lines. Come time for the UPND convention these tribalist hijacks had sweep through Southern Province calling for a Tonga President that many of my Tonga countrymen traveled to the convention to ensure HH carried the day. at the Convention blows and there will be blood was proclaimed if HH didn’t not become party president poor Saki stood no chance… (next page)
@ 90, fact. As long as this is not dealt with, HH can forget about plot 1.
New comers Chipimo and Milupi are poised to overtake him. Time will tell. You can insult condemn the article but this will ever keep on haunting UPND for sometime to come. The man HH may be okay but he needs to read between the lines.
It was at this point that the UPND moved from being national party to regional party. Saki, Patrick and many other UPND members who built the party from nothing sacrificing time and money, going through villages and sleeping in huts…thier leadership qualities, contribution, calibre and integrity was belittled to be replace on tribal grounds by HH unknown or unheard of in the UPND ranks in the sense of aspiring to any political office not even as a MP! HH has never distanced himself from being elected on tribal lines becoz that is the fact. Way forward UPND get rid of HH and rebrand (hold convention) two wrongs dont make a right by claim all parties are regional! for UPND this is the elephant in the room that you wanna ignore and that is why HH is product hard to sell to rest of Zambia!
I am a Zambian man from Southern Province married from Northern Province.
These articles about Tonga Tribalism out of 73 tribes in Zambia make me sick they are disturbing peace in my home and my grown up children can not understand what is happening in this country.
Please stop these divisive talks and give us peace. or are you encouraging marriage breakdowns alternatively do you want Tongas to also ask for their on Independence like Lozis?
PLEASE STOP THIS ROT by Te troubled mind.
…FYI follow Bloggers am Bemba and I am not tribalistic! as a matter of fact I have great insight into Tonga culture and the UPND becoz funny enough 4 out of 5 of my siblings who are married are married to Tongas. and I have recently been in relationships with two Tonga ladies…now my family thinks there must be something strange about us. As for the UPND insight my sisters who I lived with her father in-law is Bennie “BK” Mweemba former Magoye MP and Jack Mwiimbu and may other are regulars at her house and many a time I was privy to there political views..
“Any sacrifice made in a good cause, as long as it’s justified, is okay. Pointless sacrifice however heroic, is pure idiocy.” It took just 2 tribes to kill nearly a million of its people in Rwanda and Burundi. Lets not even think about going tribal as Zambians because it would make whatever has happened elsewhere look like picnic. Lets agree to disagree and end there for we are all Zambians and are surrounded by countries still fighting their own wars. This tribal hatred of fellow Zambians, is becoming slowly dangerous and would easily ignite a war of tribes. We are all Zambians fellas and lets keep it that way. Other countries were not stupid until wars broke.
Its always nice to see the advocates or re branding UPND considering changing the leadership by putting Wimps to lead the party where is Sakwiba,suilapwa.milupi others even have the audacity to suggest Chipimo not on experience just because of his ethnic background.The truth be told Zambia is ethnically inclined in voting the only remedy is to have either a federal states system such as America/Nigeria or the British system and have a constitution the has a 50+1% threshold and vice president who is a running mate. at the rate were are going this country is on a implode on its oneself .Tribes have become semi nations and each one of them feels their individual liberties are being infringed upon by the state:POST and Fred Mmembe are the ones to blame for this awakening due to Hatred
Rwanda facts coming to Zambia soon. the article is total nonsense. i donot support HH or Sata. but this is shallow thinking which may put our country on war. ba LT can you stop posting these rubbish materials otherwise you will also be held responsible.
Dear Tonga brothers,don’t take ths as an attack on Tonga as a tribe,its fud for thot for UPND Leadership(wich comprises all other tribes.) Let’s not tek UPND leadership to b synonymous to Tonga tribe.Why should people think differently of leadership of Mazoka & HH, aren’t thez of the same tribe?If HH has a problem,it doesn’t mean Tonga’s hav a problem,separate the individual & the tribe. HH is now dragging innocent Tonga’s in his mess, transferring attacks on Him as an individual as attacks on th entire wonderful Tonga tribe. My thots r that Zambians would prefer to giv any other Tonga a vote in another Party why?? Its not abt Tonga’s, it’s about HH as an individual, we did it with Mazoka, why jst HH?? Again its not about Tongas but about HH as an individual.
Makalu -sokwe wamuntu is headed for hell.
Ba LT you the media , you have to play it professionally because you have the POWER TO INFLUENCE the society either positive or negative. Please do not post this kind of material its dividing the country. Some have already believed your material to be true. The truth is I don’t believe you and I can only vote for the right leader and the party with a good manifesto, just like I did it on 20th sept. and only to be disappointed by HIS EX M. SATA, when he appointed Chungu as PS. If at all He will keep on appointing Pathetic leaders like CHUNGU and MWAMBA come 2016 I am willingly to give up on PF govt and vote for the right leader of my choice. So ba LUSAKA TIMES stop misleading people and work professionally.
Its so disguting to see some comments.i was a supporter of Mazoka but not HH.When you go back to HH’s introduction to politics it had tribal connotations hence my shift.But guys lets be fair.The aricle has hash words for him.lets remember he is still a zambian.I support the rebranding of UPND if young men like cornelius can write talk like that then there is something really wrong about some UPND leaders on tribe.It is so petty an issue.Am Bemba and i have wonderfull friends some i can trust with my life accross tribal sections of this country Guys we all brothers and Sisters.
pleas leave HH along,if u bembas hate him us we love him and u never even loved mazoka,now that he is know more u busy praising him when u never even voted 4 him..guys if dont like TONGAS lets separate.we hav know problem with that.we can take care of ourselves and develop our land without u bembas.
that was a very unfair letter, please retract it and apologise to HH we all Zambians we belong to different tribes but we all share one common identity which is Zambia
HH NEVER SAID ONLY A TONGA CAN LEAD UPND. SOMEONE ELSE SAID THAT BASED ON HIS OWN OPINION-IMPORTANT POINT TO NOTE. THIS TRIBALISM ISSUE HAS NOW BECOME A VERY BORING CLICHE. EVERYONE THINGS THEY ARE NOW EXPERTS ON HH AND TONGAS. LET US JUST ENJOY OUR ZAMBIA WITHOUT SUCH ISSUES ARISING ALL THE TIME. TKS.
#97-Love knows no tribe, its only politics which tend to associate tribal inclination. I however do not agree. I am not Tonga but voted for Mazoka, I was in Lusaka then, he simply sold himslef. Bembas say UWAWA TABULA AKABEPESHO. Let HH grow, I am disappointed with Cornellius as a graduate he should not sink so low to associate loosing with such trivial excuses. You can cheat few people but certainly not all, we are able to see through. HH do your home work sell or rather market yourself well, and you shall receive support. NB: HH was to be next president after SATA in UPND- PF Pact, but you were too fast and lost it. Opportunities come dressed in an overall. Nevers Mumba was also another example of politician who wanted to use the pulpit to ascend to power.but you can deceeive God.
What’ s the purpose of associating ourselves to a nation which sticks with high levels of hate and tribalism ? My dear brothers and sisters in N/ Western, Western, Southern, Lusaka and the Copperbelt provinces who are non Bemba speaking, to what extent are you going to stomach this level of tribalism and hate ? You tell me, don’ t we have enough brains to govern ourselves & secede from this so called Republic of Zambia ? Why should we continue being treated like aliens within our own country ? Are we going to eat this so called nationalism which is in actual sense serving no purpose ?
What crime have Tongas, Luvales, Kaondes, Ilas, Luchazis, Chokwes, Solis, Lenjes, N/ Western Lundas and so done to these monkeys yet they are the perpetrators of tribalism ?
Tongas, Lozis, Luvales, Luchazis, Kaondes, Ilas, Lenjes, Solis and the Lambas as much as you tend to humble yourselves and accommodate such levels of insults and hate, you shall continue to be trumpled upon by these monkeys and be used as brooms so please, at this point secession is necessary and it’ s the only way forward.
worthless piece of cow dung
116 Common sense I thought that you being a black person would desist from calling another black person a monkey!!!Why are you black people so devided?
I find the author of this article should be in great pain in justifying the unjustifiable. They say numbers do not lie, but to use statisitcs to justify pre-determined opinions is unprofessional. The author has exhibited high levels of tribalism. He suffers the same disease he finds in HH. In any case, HH lost the election, why should he pre-occupy the thinking of many Zambians? If our mindset is about attacking one another, are we truly going to develop Zambia? Which tribe can manage economic growth that gets distributed to all and sandry? If we fail to value differences among ourselves, then we are better off being ruled by colonialists. Shame on us. Lusaka Times will do well trashing Part Two of this article.
HH is a Loser
I can soundly say that the only President who will not be a tribalist is a child born from parents from different province. No matter what we try to justify here, if we are born from parents who come from the same province, we are tribalist.
Zambians continue to exhibit such low powers of rational analysis its scary. The essence of the letter is basically correct. I belong to no party but way back when in the days of Andy Mazoka, I had leanings towards UPND and I am a northerner. HH has been a bitter disappointment to many. Much was expected of him mainly because of his youth and education, However in spite of this, he has the least energy, drive and inspiration. Is also completely devoid of imagination and ideas never mind his alleged tribal inclinations. Like Edith Nawakwi this guy will drive his party the UPND into oblivion. The dumb A*s would have been Republican VP today and on his way to be the next president but stupidity and arrogance prevailed. May be we should all be grateful for that.
My dear friends I would like to appeal to you to stop these tribal wars. I beg of you. I have never ever seen a nation that prospered while championing hatred and divisions because of tribe or ethnicity. What is the benifit of all this. Where is it going to take us? We are treading on dangerous ground. Such sentiments lead people to become like demons, they lose humanity and end up perpetrating the most hedious crimes you can ever think of. Development is put to a hold because people concentrate on trying to exterminate each other. I am sure some of these posts are not posted by real people but by demons who want to sew seeds of discontent and hatred. Satan has been jealousy of our country because have made some significant strides in development and democracy. He now seeks to destroys
Thank you all for your comments. I have forwarded a link to ba LT where you can download the whole analysis document. Clearly, without the tables, graphs and charts that led to the extract analysis above, you have been denied a great deal of info.
This report is my attempt to bring reason, facts and figures, to the tribalism debate; which up until now has been based on the illusion of “being hated” by others. Statistics hate nobody, so if we let them speak, we will all get proper perspective on the matter.
So please, when that link is published, download and read the whole report, tables, charts and graphs. Even if you disagree, at least you will disagree with facts and figures rather than just the illusion of hatred.
Once again, thank you all for your interest and comments.
Bembas feel like are only people God has created,SHAME on you…God forbid.,HH you are the next president of zambia.
We will continue to rule you *****s unless you change you stupid mindsets
hhhhhhhhhh…..never give up bcoz of these Bembas
What have the bembas really really done?sata is not even bemba he is just a guy that played. His cards right. HH is bringing out the worst in people,just look at some of these blogs? Its the outsiders that are saying,look if you want things to workout for you(HH)try doing it the sata way. But people pliz calling some one a monkey is going too far. Imagine being ruled by a monkey then you must be really stupid
Tongas are more tribal than any other tries in zambia. infact when you work with them that is when you can understand them better. i used to see this at zambia embassy in ottawa. every time i visit the office the account who is tonga, can only mix well with togas and churchmates. she cant mix with any other tribe. back home when we close for holidays moms neighbor is tonga and she never even comes to our home in time of anything like funerals. so hikainde the same just like bembas who like being above other tribes
The article does not make sense at all, its only those few individuals who are still backwards in thinking. The world has changed, think like you are in the 21st century. I don’t know why other tribes are so scared of tongas. Being humble doesn’t mean you are shallow minded. The inferiority of a person can only be seen through his or her talk, i don’t want this beautiful country to be divided like what happened in Sudan. Be realistic and objective because Mazoka and HH are two different individuals. Everything has its own time, do you what him to retire in politics so that you can achieve what you want?
Childish article to say the least. Check the numbers that voted for Sata in Southern Province against those for HH in Northern Province. These hate articles will not take us anywhere. Talk about issues not persons.
HH should sue this man in court. Let him prove what HH did or said that shows his tribalism. Election results are reflection of the mindset of the voters not the candidate. The candidate does not vote for himself. Every candidate wants to be voted for, by all citizens, that is why they campaign in all areas. If some provinces do not vote for him that reflects on the thinking of the voters in that area. Going by the election results since 1964, one concludes that Bembas are the tribalists because they have never unanimously voted for a Tonga. Even Mazoka , the lamb of God, lost because the Bemba provinces did not vote for him. In a simple majority election system where some tribes out number other tribes, if all voters vote on tribal lines, the tribe with a majority number will always win.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha …… interesting. There is no smoke without fire. Hey blood is always thicker than water. Every one has a trait of tribalism, even me, even Michael as the Post call him. The only problem is that some people are extrimist in their tribalism. Needless to say, we love HH and we want him to be a National Leader not a Bantustan Leader coz we want the whole country to benefit from this great Son of Zambia. Lets look at this issue from this percepective. Just like we are advising Sata to balance his appoints so we are doing the same to HH no amount of hate. Let him stop being a Bantustan Extremist. We want him to be a Zambian Leader not a Bantustan Leader. Guys Fred Meembe is right in his analysis. I disliked Fred but now I know he means well.
May i ask one simple question to this foolish writter. Why than did the Bembas not vote for mazoka in 2001. this is because they do like Tongas. Way before HH started politics , Bemba did not Vote for Mazoka dispite having Bob Sichinga and Patrick Chisanga AS senior member of UPND than. Membe was accussing Mazoka as a triblist, after his death he becomes a Nationalist and goes ahead to marry his Daughter so that he Can inhereint his properties and Shares in the post. And accuse him of inhereiting the Party. May be membe Wanted to be the one taking over the leadership of UPND. These are some stupid triblist branding it on HH.
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