Barotse Royal Establishment Primer Ngambela Sinyinda has said that the time for the people of Barotseland to make their own choices and decisions is now adding that change is a necessity when every other way becomes impossible.
Speaking during his keynote speech at the extra ordinary Pizo of the Barotse National Council held at St Lawrence grounds today, Ngambela Sinyinda said the people can no longer wait for other people or another time.
He said every generation is given a cause to either fulfil or betray.
“To our generation is given the awesome responsibility to resolve the Barotseland crisis, a consequence of an impasse and a resultant failure from the non implementation and unilateral abrogation of the Barotseland Agreement of 1964’” Said the Ngambela.
“It is entirely up to us to either fulfil or betray this cause” He added.
Ngambela Sinyinda said in pursuit to resolve the matter, people passed through turbulent times as successive Zambian government applied the undemocratic principle of might over right.
[pullquote]“Though our blood has been spilt we will spill no innocent blood, though we have been shot we will not throw even a pebble at our aggressors, we will treat all persons with human dignity,” he said[/pullquote]
“We paid with our blood for simply requesting to consolidate our integration with Zambia. Intimidation became the order of the day,” he said.
He said the BA of 1964 is a legitimate and international treaty which must be respected though many nationals over the last half century have been brutalized, victimized and antagonized for holding the view.
Ngambela Sinyinda said checks and balances model in the Barotse Royal Establishment governance system which was terminated prematurely be re-introduced.
Ngambela Sinyinda said Barotseland has a history of inclusiveness and harmonious co existence adding that differences were resolved peacefully at all times.
He said BRE is committed to non violent means of conflict resolution adding that he is confident that BRE shall forever remain committed to finding a peaceful settlement to the Barotseland question.
“Though our blood has been spilt we will spill no innocent blood, though we have been shot we will not throw even a pebble at our aggressors, we will treat all persons with human dignity,” he said
“Yet our peaceful nature should not be mistaken for lack of courage or determination to have this impasse revolved” he added.
He later urged all delegates to the meeting to participate freely as they deliberate on the decisions and resolutions that have come from different corners and angles of the society.
The BNC meeting is also being attended by newly appointed Western Province Minister John Kufuna, Deputy Permanent Secretary Mwangala Liomba, and Chiefs from Southern Province namely Chief Mukuni, Chief Chikanta and Chief Sinazongwe respectively.
Yawn, Yawn, Yawn
uza shula palast
Lets dialogue, and talk like brothers… lets not kill each other… but lets hear each others views and move in one accord, agree to disagree cause its not always that we shall agree, peace be with us always.
problem sata promised to do so, what a leader we were telling u now u see, dont kubeba ifya uuba.
*yawn*:-@
Barotse Forward and congrats to the South Chiefs for standing in solidarity with BRE and BNC
Western province seperates then we can forget about Zambia
How will you chaps survive coz there is not breweries on your part of the country ?
They have Kachasu.
BRE is a dream yet to be realised. This whole issue is blown out of proportion by greedy Lozis who have failed to demonstrate meaningful leadership hence the only alternative is to resort to BRE. Guys wake up and compete just like any other Zambian for leadership.
Word of caution, the only beneficiary for BRE is the royal clan, the rest forget it. Chiefs in Zambia have demonstrated the worst leadership. Some of them have amased wealth while there subjects wallow in poverty. Thus, my brothers and sisters from the west, dont be cheated that things will be okay. It will be the begining of the end of democracy. No voting, no speaking out. Zambia will remain democratic for good.
I am not losing any sleep.
What are the Tonga chiefs doing there? Sowing seeds of tribalism? Leave Lozis alone. Lozis are always intelligent so those bena Chief Mukuni are wasting time of they want the Lozi chiefs to join their tribalism agenda
Stop being so dull my friend….. How about Guy Scot? Is it a crime to go & listen? You talk of triballism….hahaha shame on you who can’t see the zambian cabinet full of Bembas….. Grow up & stop talking about such issues be it true or false because it just brings tension in the country
You can’t help but admire the high-level of diginity, integrity and statesmanship oozing from this brief but brilliant statement. No waffling, no threats, but with resolve. One can only be proud when traditional leadership rises to such a level of intelligence and maturity. Looking forward to the resolutions, and I’m sure they will be sensible.
Thumbs up to my Great Chiefs from the Great South.Aluta continua…
I will remain Zambian where am i going to practice my law….
once a LOZI always one…
Day one
The opening speech is very good. Am awaiting the outcome. Though here, am with you in spirit. Finally we will get our country and manage ourselves.
this topic has become boring coz these lozis have seen that non of their own will rule zambia so in desperation they are trying to use whatever excuse they can find to be on their own. pipo who chewed money and got educated at prestigious schools in the UK bcoz of the agreement are quite.
Things are heating up for Ukwa! Unlike the Zamtel or ZRA COI reports which were quickly leaked to the press, the Mongu COI report has been hidden underground? Bwana Cobby, you promised to restore BA64 once elected and our Lozi brethren are now taking things into their own hands. Oddly, KK the main culprit behind the abrogation of this agreement, is unusually quiet.
Big Pipe you are very right, things are tightening up for ukwa. He promised but he cannot deliver. The same way he promised us to have more money in our pockets, it will be the other way round and say i was saying NO MONEY IN YOUR POCKETS. He loses nothing he is already in power , but no matter what he does, he will not rule Zambia for good. His time will come to an end. Let him cheat us now but we shall still wait for his going away.no mater what he does, he cheated these guys and he hs brought this problem to himself.From the word go, he could have told our brothers that , i will restore DEVELOPMENT not restore the Agreement. Let us wait and see the out come.
“He said the BA of 1964 is a legitimate and international treaty which must be respected though many nationals over the last half century have been brutalized, victimized and antagonized for holding the view.”
This is the first “lie”, because this document is flawed and can’t be legitimized as BA of 1964. At issue here is the whether the Lochinvar Concession signed by the Litunga was a legal document to start with. The answer is “NO” it was not because the Litunga included other chiefs’ land who were not his subjects. All the Lamba chiefs, Lenje Chiefs, Toka Leya Chiefs including Mwata Yanmwa’s land was erroneously included as being under the Litunga’s jurisdiction and yet these chiefs were autonomous and not subjects to the Litunga.
:o You fool! go back to Grade 9 and read yo history and see how the British used to sign their agreement. going by your pathetic lack of info. are you telling me the British signed their agreements with all the chiefs of Botswana or it was just sir seletse Khama who did that.
The Litunga signed,if these other guys didnt recognise his authority,why didnt they negotiate for their own or fight the British as the Ngoni did?
#18 B R MUMBA, Sr —— You are trying too hard to sound intelligent. This matter is far beyond your understanding, bwana. Just eat your nshima and wait for the resolutions. If the Agreement was such a dud, SATA would not have even made reference to it during the campaigns, although now he is struggling to find ways of addressing it now. Let us give respect to other people’s causes. The entire BRE is full of very highly educated traditional leaders and they are not fools to have called up a meeting over something if they thought it was flawed. Your attempt to sound intelligent only shows off your daft ignorance, you are not even a legal expert otherwise you would not be mixing up the Concession with the Agreement. Just concentrate on kachasu, you are good at that!
A local college out of the blues contacted me asking me to find out if I had time out of my busy schedule to be a lecturer. They had read about my company and they were forwarded my credentials and thought I would be a good fit for their school of business even on a part time basis. I am very busy with my current engagement and so I declined the offer. So, I believe I am intelligent enough to reach the right conclusions after doing my own research on this matter, I am educated enough to be a college professor apart from being President & CEO of my own companies in America, I rest my case.
Ewe Milazhe, just accept that you had an ignorant bushman for a Litunga who assumed he was a small god and concessioned land that did not belong to the lozis. Like it or not am ready for a fight in your western province over Zambias unity. And becuase of war, eventually your western province will be like Somalia. It seems the free education you got from the Zambian Government has made you big-headed.
The Litunga lied about his jurisdiction then and all the land included in the Lochinvar Concession didn’t belong to Barotseland then and it certainly does not even in present day Zambia. The Litunga has the burden of proof to show that he did not defraud other chiefs by lying that they were his subjects. At Law, any future agreements are nullified once proven that the originals (Lochinvar) was flawed. Just like one can’t build a legitimate business today based on illegally obtained funds from the past. Once the it is proven that one’s business today is built on ill-gotten wealth, the authorities have the right to seize one’s assets. In this case the Litunga’s BA of 1964 was ill-gotten based on the Lochinvar Concession.
Hooray, hooray! Though it’s called Lochner Concession.
Lochnivar treaty -something we learned in Social studies, didn’t know it would make headlines.One has to admire the determination of these Lozi’s.Don’t underestimate a united people.This issue had better be solved in this generation before a ruthless Lozi arises in the next generation and turns this thing violent.
Yap yap Yap yap… No direction..! The path u r trading on will not get u any where. Have some objectives…
Ukwa and Membe thought they were clever by pouring more petrol on the burning issue of BA when RB was president to the extent that they forgot that the people who were allegedly ‘innocent’ had threatened to commit ethnic cleansing and had gathered illegally on Jan 14 last year. Talk about making a rod for your own back as the English say! Lets see how they will deal with this now that they have power. Instead of putting Guy Scott as a ceremonial VP, Ukwa should have put Inonge Wina in that position to reward her for the hard work she did in delivering parts of Western province to PF.
Ok let the lozi and tongas have own country …HH will be president and Sakwiba Vice…now you happy….Botton line the lozis are finding it difficult to compete at national level be it political or otherwise…this is the truth and this is easy way out…NO NO NO you chaps are part of Zambia…If we hear any noise we will send three landrover to maintain peace and order…
Lozis and tongas can never work together since the lozis are superior. Look at what happened to Sakwiba after Mazoka kicked the bucket. This tribal cousinship is fake and will not bind the two tribes. Both tribes are sworn tribalists and tribalists will always be tribalists.
#19 would want to perpetrate a fraud and we can’t let that happen, we are more learned than you think running very successful businesses abroad – guys like you prey on people’s ignorance to thrive. The way to solve this problem is simple, all the chiefs involved have to come together and ask the Litunga when they were conquored by his armies for them to be his subjects. If we can’t prove any of that from any historical documents, then we would all reaffirm the Litunga’s jurisdiction as the area south of Mongu going into Namibia and some parts of western Southern Province. That was all the Litunga controlled and he wants to wedge a war with Namibia to reclaim Katima Mulilo more power to him.
@B R Mumba, o.k you have a point on the lozi issue, but stop bragging about your achievements which might not even be true. O.K provide as with the names of your companies and we will google them and achknowledge you as a hard working Zambian in the US. I hope you are not talking about TAX OFFICES as your comapnies…lol
Yes, go ahead, discuss the issue. We are all waiting for the resolution. Dont bit about the bush this time, just say what you want in capital laters.
The earlier we dealt with this issue the better. Let me also ask all of you to read the editorial comment of the post today, i think they have offered the best advise ever.
Waiting for your resolution, with a finger on the trigger.
@Njila,
I wish all people could reason like you. Please continue, ignore the fools wasting time and adding fuel to an already serious issue.
Some moderate ones like me will soon join the push, if un necessary insults continue.
So what is he saying?
Did Inonge Sellout Wina attend the meeting?
B R Mumba, Sr
you are angry, grudgy and emmotional. Now you will know the truth. KK was right to some extend in adressing zed people as stupid people. its not our fault that KK hide the truth from you.
you should blame your chiefs for being so naive that they did not sign a lochinvar Concession to include the Litunga as their subject! the truth is that the Litunga was smart, he outsmart both the british and the locals. thats why they called him lewanika ” conguerer of nations”. we have dealt with you with intelligence while you zed people always dealt with us by force. who is lost here?
“B R Mumba, Sr … you are angry, grudgy and emmotional.” You guys are hilarious and it is no wonder our nation is taking so long to develop, you don’t even know and you want to stereotype me – at best we don’t even know each other, how pathetically presumptuous of you to say that … I am a very happy person, I love life and very happy with what I do …Live Long & Prosper, What A Sweet Life!!!
By the way, try and spell “grundgy and emmotional” correctly next time around you want to be judgmental about someone you don’t know … thanks a trillion.
B. R. Mumba kindly tell yo ukwa the stupidity you are talking about. you think you are more intelligent than minister of justice, Rodger chongwe and other commissioner who said in their report that BA is a legal document or you think like li Summer kabimba who doesnt even know who a lozi is. sometimes it better to keep quite the expose yo stupidity to the world.
Ask them (KK, Chongwe and Chief Justice) yourself, give them the same facts I am giving you and if they are real legal scholars and practitioners, they would agree with me that you don’t build something legal today based on illegality of yesterday. The BA of 1964 is flawed because it was built on a premise of a fraud document which was the Lochinvar Concession, period. You can spin all you want but those are the facts and please let to put your points across without using obscenities it is the way intellectuals debate, otherwise if you can’t use proper language in a civilized way, you are not worth responding to next time around … thanks a trillion.
In support of B R Mumba, Sr. I have always said you can’t have something legal based on an earlier illegal treaty. And yes, I think B R Mumba, Sr is more intelligent than Rodger Chongwe just by reading his hypothesis here.
At what point did you re alise its illegality?
I’m still in the dark as to what an “amicable” solution should be. Do the Lozis want to separate from the rest of the country, do they want money, respect, development, autonomy, what?
Forgive my ignorance.
Let me rephrase: what will make all this go away?
I hope no one answers “GRZ must honour BRE64”, but rather someone should say something like, “move the nation’s capitol to Mongu”, or “give all Lozis top jobs”. Something tangeable.
What exactly do they want, what will make this go away?
Thank you,
and again, no disrespect to anyone — I am just blank as to what this is all about and what resolution they are looking for.
Let the lozis rule themselves but Apart from their relatives, the tongas, who would want to be under a colonial chief. Never thats retardness!
# 19, I don’t care what President Sata knows or does not know about this. In fact it is what he doesn’t know that has taken him long to reach the right decision. If I were President I would resolve it very quickly and take the matter through the legal system both in Zambia and in the United Kingdom to prove how flawed this whole BA of 1964 is. The President needs more courage and quickly resolve this once and for all. Once that is done, we can all have autonomy to run our local issues but as One Zambia One Nation, and if the Lozis want something else more power to them … thanks a trillion.
Ladies and Gentlemen, this has nothing to do with being more intelligent than the next person or even KK. Everyone has blindspots, Chongwe, KK and the Chief Justice included … do your own research and these are the facts and all you people can argue all you want but is it also time for the government of the day to call on the facts and take leadership on this very important matter affecting the smart people of the Zambian Enterprise – and by the way there is no matter too complex for me to understand once I take my time to research it. #19 is trying to scare people with complexity so they don’t take time to fully analyze what is at stake.
i like your points big man
B R Mumba, Sr. Some people can be dull. is it by choice or natural design? The treaties signed by Europeans with African chiefs were anchored on the 1883-84 Bismarck’s Berlin Colonial Conference. No African was invited to that conference, yet its resolutions and the treaties with African chiefs that were a consequence of the meeting, until the time when Harold Macmillan’s wind of change was blowing over Africa, were respected internationally. Kindly save us from publicly, in broad daylight, displaying this level of intelligence, or lack of it. It is always useful, and important I might add, to know something, but little knowledge is dangerous.
Truth be told, Lozis will be worse off than us in zambia because they must kiss democracy goodbye. Those that want to be honest will realise that even in the days of the muzungu, it was on those with blue blood that went for scholarships in england. There will be 800000 of you in your new country but only a tenth will enjoy your sweat. Don’t say I didn’t warn you
Lozis brought democracy. Read your history.
Another lunatic for ngambela,wen he was in mmd govt he never mentiond this non starter BA 1964, nt different frm alshabaab of somalia coz these pipo don’t think.dirty tribe
What are Nkoyas, Mbundas, Luvales, Nyengos saying? Did their Chiefs attend the meeting as subjects of the Litunga? Or are these tribes @ ease to be called subjects of Lozis? Are the Lozis who are living in other parts of the country going to go back to Barotseland should there be a possibility of secessiding? What of the Lozis who have intermarried into other tribes more especially Bembas whom UPND has demonised what happens to them and offsprings? Are they going to be accepted as the equals or they will be treated as subjects since Barotseland recognise that Lozi is official language? CAN SOME 1 HELP ME!
What we are seeing is the tribal alignment which Tongas are spearheading but showing that they are standing side by side with the Lozis. However, this does not end here because once a Tonga or lozi becomes a president the same will happen where people frm Northern, Luapula and Eastern our cousins may join forces.Such acts by HH sponsoring this meeting sending cows and money will not achieve anything for his political gains. HH the under five’s appetite to stabalise the rule of law will cause future sufferings of many.
B R Mumba, Sr says:
I’m sure by “historical documents”, you are referring to written records. Oral traditions that form the basis of Africa’s written records do not exist in your vocabulary. Just as the griots of West Africa have their people’s history etched in their memories, the Lozi’s too have official archivers who have kept the people’s progress from long before the first white man ever dreamt of adventuring into the dark continent. Let’s not use our intelligence to further our hatred for other people, misinform others or misrepresent facts to tally with our selfish motives. All those leaders party to BA64 were not so dull as to spend sleepless nights to solve a dilemma that was flawed in the first place. A white man knows, an agreement is an agreement.
B R Mumba,
Are you so much against the Lozi people that you cannot even wait for the resolutions of the conference to come out before you deliver your lectures?
Ba Distant Drums, to the contrary pal … my first girlfriend was Mwangala, she had very beautiful eyes, I must admit and then later on I met Lydia in Sesheke, she was really cute, either of them could have been mother to my children but I later ditched them not because of tribe but because the right one came along … thanks a trillion.
Ati Lochinvar treaty?? Sivintu!! Kekekeke.
No their women r prostitutes coz mongu is de only place where u can slip wit mother and daughter at the same time.no morals coz this same ***** ngambela was in the same zambia as a minister no wonder its a lost tribe. Frm kasama to kaputa thru mporokoso is more than 400kms and has no tarmac and it tek u the day to reach kaputa,frm mbala to nakonde,etc bad rd but these don’t complen coz they r nt the only ones. Kwena ni lost tribe no wonder I refused to len lozi wen I served dere for 3 yrs
B Mumba naimwe you are misleading people. Bonse tinapunzilako tu history, you are completely misdirected, get back to your books then come back to give informed lectures.
Let the people Barotse decide their own fate no need to tell them what is right for them from abroad that is what democracy is all about. They are the ones who feel the pinch, the pain, the poverty and the suffering. Litunga, his family and relatives do not need the BA64 to survive, before being installed as Litunga he worked as General Manager for Indeco Estates, he also has several businesses, including a massive cattle ranch as well as a Tour Operations he is also a Fellow of CIMA. Ngambela Sinyinda has said it clearly it is up to the people to decide what they want and not the BRE calling the shots. So honourable BR Mumba, SR 33 above, don’t patronise the people of Bulozi enjoy your wealth and intelect in USA, every one has a right to self-determination just as you decided to migrate.
Yes they can go ahead and become a sovereign state but the boundaries should be limited to Mongu and Senanga, period. What some of us dont want is to be ruled by a lozi dynasty/monarchy. For this reason, a referendum should be held in regions where the litunga has some clout.
If you are brave enough just as the chiefs from across the provinces and Southern Province have shown, leave your comfort zone and go voice your disapproval right there in Mongu where it is all happening and matters.
At the end of the day: the damage to the perception of the country will be costly. Who would want to build a toll road in an area which is disputed? No one, unless the payback time is 1 year. Africans, we are our worst enemy.
At 40 … Ba Kony2012, please review the two documents (BA of 1964 and Lochinvar Treaty/Concession), and apply the laws pertaining to nullification once preceding documents are found to be flawed. Good case in point is Thomas Jefferson in 1798 US usually cited by international legal practitioners in Virginia which gives congress power to nullify any laws contrary to the US Constitution. In short, the BA of 1964 can be nullified if proven that the Lochinvar Treaty which it was built on was a flawed document under “stare decisis” and ratified by parliament. This is a winner for all the smart people of the Zambia Enterprise, I have a flight to catch … talk to you all later.
Don’t be fooled the speech was prepared by the South African based Lozi’s who are shadows of what is going on in Western province. One of them failed to become a vice chancellor at Mulungushi University. This is the beginning of a long walk am not sure to where? But God bless Zambia.
Let this secession not happen during my time. May after my fourth or fifth generation. Then it might be genuine.
Kinakoooooooooooooooo. Lets go my mbuyas. Leave the Kolwestans in Zambia to enjoy themselves. We have had enough insults and our sin is to be born Lozi or Tonga. God have mercy.
Lozis make me laugh. They are the worst tribalists.
I second that.
all u lozi’s stop playing politics ku southern province.. Bottom line is Zambia is more important then a tribe…try as u may… Zambia wil still remain…..and southern province as southern province.. If u cant see that reality yo should wake up.. And stop being silly. If u are intellegent predict this…. No one in there right mind would even bein to think as u guys are only loyal family wil benefit from this. And the rest and pliz dont tell me u love yo wise king..and after him there is no tellin what idot wil come… Hence voting…!!!!!!!!
kwati game yakosako mwe
Proudly Barotse.Proudly Tonga Bull.To hell with Zambia.To hell with Kolwestan mismanagement.I can see it coming.I can hear it coming.I can feel it coming.Its coming.Its un-stopable
It will be folly of Government to ignore sentiments of the Barotse. How do you issue treason threats to 800,000 people. MCS was told in no uncertain terms by his neighbours in Botswana and donors of the consequences of stiflling opposition, just de-registering MDD can bring the Country down on it its knees due to dependence on donor support and foreign investment, so what more using force and oppression towards a whole race? Zambia risks sanctions being applied just like it happened with Zimbabwe, so best to tread with care otherwise the likes of GBM will be answerable at the hague, it is easy to get carried away with public office but let us learn from other Countries that suffered strife. Best to resolve issue amicably especially with people who not even armed. Gaddafi lessons
so what could be the amicable solution?
Patagonia Lozis should just continue wading in the sand. There is nothing in Western Province to cry about apart from the bogus so-called agreement. What I see is just selfishness from the Lozis. If anything lets chase these fools from the rest of Zambia so that they go to western province and eat their sand. I am just waiting for the King to come and teach these fools a lesson of their lifetime. I end here!
Mr President please Let a REFERENDUM solve this issue .
No, let him come in open and appolojise to the people of wester power. He cheated then in exchange for a Vote.
so what is he saying? it is time for what now? to do what?
Why are you blocking my comments???
48# it is to late, look at yourself you might be the worst tribalist. Lozies are not tribalist, we are just fighting for what is ours. BR.Mumba SR, its to late, kinakooooooooooooooooooooo.
Mwana poho yenso kelanyema chale, muli mukakona hape….go barotse go.kolwestans vs the black bulls
Triple double yawn. I wish these Lozis would just sit down somewhere already. We have more serious issues to attend to. Atase *fyola.
Guys at the top stop trying to talk sense to a Lozi who is emotionally intent o seperation.
I have tried doing it with my Lozi friends here and in the end it’s pointless talk logic to them.
Bottom line is you guys are fighting a losing battle we will no allow to split zed you can try but with what army.
Have to agree with @ 11 Gokigo Milazhe that the level of articulation, professionalism and maturity displayed in this statement is admirable. It’s completely in stark contrast from the immature statements the President has been issuing on this subject of BA’64.
Really whatever happens on this issue, the legitimacy of the Zambian government has completely been tainted and undermined. It will be difficult for them to govern over people who are not willing to be governed
As the dude trolling this page are you also questioning the legitimacy of Zambia as a country since the two are closely linked? What about the rest of the borders that divide the African continent, are they a sham too? ? By the way where were all the other chiefs when the Litunga was allegedly stealing their land?
Quote: “The people of Western province this morning refused to sing the Zambia National Anthem when they opened their much talked about meeting in Mongu.
The delegates led by their Prime Minister Clement Sinyinda instead sang the Barotse National anthem- in Lozi.
No reason was given for not singing the official national anthem although the PF government minster for Western province was in attendance. He was just blinking in apparent confusion” .How they (lozis) dare be so disrespectful. Look, you want automy? Ok fine, retreat back to where you ORIGINALLY came from. Problem solved!
I like the message ‘Do not mistake my kindness for a weakness’ contained in this statement: ‘“Yet our peaceful nature should not be mistaken for lack of courage or determination to have this impasse revolved” he added’.
This guy is rallying all those with roots to the Lozi culture and their sympathisers to bring out the patriotism in them!
Lets avoid commenting when we are not privy to the matters at hand. Such issues require a sober mind and more importantly a critical and open one. Its not wise to blame people who cannot defend themselves coz in your own mind mind you think they lost something and therefore are after breaking even. For me really the answer to this problem is neither complex nor easy, all it requires is a different approach. Firstly this problem isnt new, if you go back to history you will find that this problem has always been there except it has always been managed mostly through manipulation. Its not out of silence being golden that kaunda is silent about this issue. Its not out of naivety that people have kept quiet all this long. Its not out of ignorance neither.
Listen, these people have no chance in hell to declare themselves independent. It can’t happen and it is certainly NOT going to happen.
In the interest of one zambia one nation, i feel its imperative of the oracles of this issue clear the wind while they are still alive. I know of one Kaunda and other witnesses in the name of Sikota Wina, their days are seriously only but numbered and they will do us a favour to disclose some pertinent issues, no matter how bitter they may be. Its up to this generation and indeed of futures ones to decide on what and how they want it.
Sinyinda himself for instance was in the previous govt. I personally never heard of him championing any cause to this effect. Now that he is out then all the darkness goes, all he sees is light! Sata went to an extent of saying all rhetoric, and in all this we are expected to accept coz they are our leaders. The world is not what it was 4 decades ago and this is what some of these guys dont seem to appreciate. They are therefore supposed to be reminded whenever they think otherwise.
The Lozi`s are free to exit Zambia. They want to preserve their culture. The only issue is that they forgot to draw a proper map of their Kingdom. I am told that the original map covers part of Angola, Namibia, Botswana and Zambia. So i don`t know if they will claim all that land. Besides, Sebitwane was a coward, how could he have conquered all that land mass? I am beginning to think that the BRE document is fraud because even the purported signatory KK has said, he does not remember signing such a document.
mr sata amano yabwela kuli bu baby.
When you want to won election tell pipo truth we are not babies.Now king cobra were are u?
Eishh,Zambia ni nchi ya wachawi,walevi,wakora kama Sata,wajinga,umbwa kama Lubinda na mwanapixie na wacheza filamu zenye aibu kubwa ya kuonyesha ulimwengu mzima uchi wao kama yule msichana wa mhubiri fulani.
Greedy chaps are behind all this crap and the will not succeed. God bless Zambia.
Whatever they discussed is not yet official others are claiming sessession, even before they know which boundaries to use.Are they going to claim Vic fall from Zim and that big chunk in Angola Bots and Namibia.Any I have heard people who claim that the boundary is the railline then how old is this lozi kingdom because this Railline came in 1906.Change of atitude is what the Lozis need development will go there.Many Lozis are good very educated people very interligent unlike their tribal cousins to the South.
another tribal remark, You zambians are all the same. Very tribal. No difference between you and the people you are insulting. Tell me what development is in the north?
If the president wants to govern this country properly he should first address this problem of tribalism in the country. Tribalism has become too much, not only from tongas and lozi, but also bembas as well, and very soon it will explode and everyone will be very very sorry. Mark My words, very soon.
all u lozi’s stop playing politics ku southern
province.. Bottom line is Zambia is more
important then a tribe…try as u may… Zambia wil
still remain…..and southern province as southern
province.. If u cant see that reality yo should
wake up.. And stop being silly. If u are intellegent predict this…. No one in there right mind would
even bein to think as u guys are only loyal family
wil benefit from this. And the rest and pliz dont
tell me u love yo wise king..and after him there is
no tellin what idot wil come… Hence
voting…!!!!!!!!
The dice is cast, ‘Barotse ke refatsi ra bontata rona, hara mafatse re linde ke rona, mi rwa li rata’. Ki nako I fitile! Only a full can deny these are winds of change blowing accross Western and Southern provinces. It is no other than Sata’s lies and tribal bigotry of excluding Lozis, Tongas, Kaondes, Lundas and Luvales from the corridors of power that have created this fault line. You can issue all your threats and puke all your dirty remarks but sooner than later, you will be like Ben Mwila, ‘Na shala neka’. By the way, those wondering about Tonga bulls at the Pitso, ask why Givens is called Lubinda, why late Judge Lewanika was Ila and why Kebby Musokotwane’s middle names were Situmbeko Sililo or why Mukuni is Sipatonyana?
Konakoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Atwende atwende nobuleya.
If Barotseland is only Western Province,I have no objection but if it includes Copperbelt and Northwestern,then Zambia is heading for civil war.First the Litunga and KK will be sued for obtainig our lands by false pretence.Since when did the Litunga own N/W and C/B.Us we will be waiting for them and we are more than equiped for anything. So Lozi watchout. For your own Information No Lozi shall ever be President of Zambia due to this useless BA of yours.
Why did Sata stop the Mongu -Kalabo road construction? The Lozi’s would have been happy with signs of developement.They are just sick and tired of being trampled on by greedy politicians in Lusaka and therefore feel they can do a better job ruling themselves.There might be a clever way to handle this -develop the province,once peoples standards of living are improved they will not be mislead by some power hungry indunas.Please sort this thing out.This is how wars start.
It was an Insult and Treason to refuse to sing and acknowledge the Zambian national anthem! We are one Zambia and one nation
Sata and his nephew winter kabimba will go down in history as men that caused this problem. They lied that BA1964 would be restored in 90 days. To avert further crisis Sata should engage Rupiah Banda and KK so this matter is discussed at high level.
I doubt very much if secession of the Western province is a viable and realistic option. First of all, those who preach secession assume that the bundaries of Barotseland would include Copperbelt, North Western, parts of Souther and even Central Province. But which tribe in the these provinces would willingly accept to be annexed to the Barotseland and be ruled by the King, effectively be re-colonised by another feudal system?? Its not possible, which leaves the only realistic boundaries of just parts of Western province because tne Nkoyas in Kaoma are not eager to be part of that arrangement. The closest accomplices are the Tongas from Southern province whose premise is that joining the Barotse is easiest way to political power, which is wrong. Allternatively, the Tongas would be the next
Lies have never helped anyone. Sata and PF laid in day light and now their lies are ****** on their backs. Blame them Lozis all you want but Sata is on record referring to BA and we he said he would do. Should anything negative happen out of this, the entire blame is on Sata and his nature with tribesmen to get at what they want with no shame through lying period. Let us not run away from the TRUTH, Sata told the Westerners to vote for him as he will fulfil the BA to the letter. He will pay for his lies here on earth and in heaven. Wishing him a quick recovery to help sort out his own making
What a screwed people you are…how do you sleep at night?
This is what we ve talked about before..let Ukwa do the right thing he promised these people..The Tonga chiefs who are there ..big up to you guys..solidarity!!let the kolwestans remain with a fraction of old skeleton mines on the copperbelt..we shall give you Southern,Northwestern,Central,Lusaka provinces..alluta continua!!
Kwena some fi Bantonga and Lozis are crazy.No one will separate western from Zambia.First of all get yo land from Namimbia,Angola and Botswana then u can get part of western.Why are soome tongas supporting this idea?These people are really crazy and useless.
let us remember Biafra and what happened. Zambia is not an island. It can also happen here.
…… and also remember Adamson Mushala and how far he went with his ka rebellion.
Its true tribalism has taken a centre stage in Zambia.Lets not only blame Tongas and Lozis to be tribalists.This tribalism is being created by Bembas who think they know everything and always wanting to be on top.Just here at UNZA when pipo are speaking in their own languages are forced to use Bemba.This is unacceptable.Its God who created all these pipo..
@ 92,you are the same pipo inciting violence.Dont generalize that all Tongas and Lozis are bad pipo.In my opinion its you bembas(some) who are causing this “cancer” of tribalism.One bemba brother said that no tonga will rule in Zambia,this country is ours not for you only.Safeguard yo mouth my brother.
why cant we have BA2012? I propose we redefine the boundaries of baroste land to only western province and give them the province. am tired of this shit.
#95, that particular Bemba is not our brother. We don’t practice tribalism.
@ Soliman, UNZA is a college that trains tribalists. Tribal groupings are mainly tonga and lozi.
Notuma skirts and notuma swine notuma baret kuti waseka. have your own dress code not this england copy and paste. look at the litunga, surely uniforma yaba kapokola you turn into royal regalia? ati king lewanika? ala the same king bending to the queen of england just to be recognized and granted an O.B.E. Sir Lewanika kwena, ukupwalala. you even go and inch selling our Lamba land and you even go as far as northwestern, anyway bakalubale niba six koloko so you were smarter than them but CB, yena, donchi ndonchi donti dooooooooooooooont touch and contaminate it again. sha
Initially I was against this BA64. But now I have second thoughts because of the high levels of tribalism influenced by the dealings of the PF government. This government has completely sidelined people from North-Western, Southern, and Western provinces. For this reason you cannot blame the Lozis for the step they are taking. One only hopes that there will be an amicab;e solution to this matter. And the PF government should treat all provinces and all Zambians equally. Tribal hegemony should have no room in Zambia.
Initially I was against this BA64. But now I have second thoughts because of the high levels of tribalism influenced by the dealings of the PF government. This government has completely sidelined people from North-Western, Southern, and Western provinces. For this reason you cannot blame the Lozis for the step they are taking. One only hopes that there will be an amicab;e solution to this matter. And the PF government should treat all provinces and all Zambians equally. Tribal hegemony should have no room in Zambia.
Stupid niggers
@ Soliman.Who force annyone to speak Bemba at Unza or CBU?U just force yoself coz of yo inferiority in you.U’re cowards naturally.This is why u’re talking to much on watchdog and other social sites.I’ve never seen Bembas forcing Tongas to speak Bemba.Why can’t u force bembas to speak yo language also?crazy person!!!People just loose interests in u because of yo tribal remarks u like making.Who can vote for HH after making seriours tribal remarks against Bembas and eaterners?Zambians see themselves tribes which are selfish.Ask neutral tribes who are tribalists in Zambia.Let us just campaigh well.Obama won in America when everyone said an african will never become a president.Did u hear obama insult whites or condem them?Work up becuause u’ll never rule zambia with such mentallity .
Minyolui now you are facing what our FATHERS faced remember there blood flows in your vains sinyinda mukwa namwaka you are the heir of NGAMBELA INBALA MWAMBWA NUMAMONA MUKULU WANYALA MUKULU WA SILUNDU.
great history there. Thanks.
DAVID LIVINSTONE DESCRIBES YOU AS ONE OF THE MOST ORGANISED CENTRALISED SOCIETIES AFTER THE ZULU KINGDOM IN SOUTH AFRICA.THE SYSTEMS WERE THERE THE STRUCTURES AND EVERTHING HOW I WISH IMUTAKWANDU LEWANIKA OUR FATHER HAD LIVED A LITTLE LONGER THEN ALL THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE I CAN ASSURE YOU HE WOULD HAVE PROTECTED THAT WHICH HE FOUGHT FOR.TO YOU ALUYI I SAY MULOSE UKUCHOKO UKULALUKA UKUSO KULI MAKOMALE UKUTA NI KULE.MUYOYE…..
Lozis are greedy. And these guys know that PF and MMD will pass a constitution through the house that removes the damn agreement. Let the army come in and charge these basterds with treason!
SO THE ANNOYED CHAP THINKS HE IS SUPERIOR AND TONGAS AND LOZIS ARE INFERIOR AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH WHAT A JOKE MR ANNOYED CHAP YOU KNOW SO LITTLE IF NOT NOTHING ABOUT US MY DEAR!!!!AND CONGRATS FOR BEING SUPERIOR WHAT EVER YOU BASE IT ON!!BEING TALKATIVE OR STEALING??LOLWE CONQURED 32 TRIBES AND WERE NEGOTIATING TREATIES WHEN YOU WERE JUMPING FROM TREE TO TREE AND RUNNING AWAY FROM VEHICLES!!LOL
Kolwestans are busy insulting Lozi’s. Why are these people so ill-mannered that all they know is using abusive language, without respecting other peoples’ bussiness’ & issues! If you are a Kolwestan, hardluck, we wont insult you. You are just like your Ukwa, no morals!
OMG, niggers at each other…for real! LOL#107, LOL!!!
Ngati ni uyu ati Br Mumba, awe sure mwandi. Mr Man, yo careful display of critical analysis is a shear exposure of your ignorance! You do not understand history of Zambia, even if you did, respect the cause of the Lozi’s,afterwhich you would be in a better position to express your intelligence. For now, Lozi’s were robbed of what is theirs, the Zambian gvt is not interested to dialogue forcing the BRE to head otherwise. If you think what those guyz are doing or going through(including BRE organisers) are happy about it, you are wrong. They are left with no choice but to create a better chapter for the upcoming generations. BA64 is a sure thing!!!!
Competition has been rife in Zambia. All have to work hard. No spoon feeding.Lozis have found it tough to break through as all of us.
They just have to change the strategy and open up for investments from other fellow Zambians in agriculture or estates. Only then will they start seeing jobs…. Check my Chipata with agriculture. It is doing well with the local investors (zambian)… CAN ONLY PRAY TO JEHOVAH TO OPEN THE EYES OF THE LOZI WISEMEN or leaders
yes we are greedy,its nice to be greedy.you are not greedy becoz you allocate your province 2 universities when some have none.we just want to forget about you,and concentrate on our selves,we wil;l never live with liers.
llozis and bantu botatwe are just a very good combination.manyukunyuku are shievering.let the lambas flush bembas out of CB.Bravo to our tonga chiefs,tukongote.wina tizamuloza na AIDS.
Hardwork counts not any other way! If one can survive and make it in this hostile environment they surely can anywhere. If one tribe can outperform other tribes with skills and commerce then that tribe can excel. There cant be fights. Even when granted independence, the same attitudes have seen cant take Lozis anywhere. Lets break the stones together in this level playing field. Our forefathers were left behind by the Lozis in education but now all Zambians have caught up. No one tribe is more educated than the other. All can now go out to study which was a priveledge of the sons and daughters of kings. Let none fret but work very extra hard and embrace other tribes to working together. Only then shall we see true development.
CHARACTER ASSASSIN IF YOU CAN NOT CALL 2 UNIVERSITIES IN ONE PROVINCE AND 11 MINISTERS FROM ONE PROVINCE GREEDINESS THEN YOU ARE AN ***** THATS WHY TRIBALISM IS TO OTHRE S AND NOT TO YOU WHAT A SIMPLE MINDED JERK.
Its not like some forefathers were left behind in education, they just had other priorities, like setting traps for small rodents and other small animals for instance. You see if parents/guardians do not value school, neither will their children. Rather, the offspring would opt for such as bird hunting with catapults and shun school, this holds true to this day. Mushrooming of street kids and eventually street adults, has been and is the result for as long as their is continuity.
Now about the issue at hand, its all about a lack of honesty and integrity and nothing else. Its like what the Word says about Love being the greatest, if you LOVE somebody you will do them no harm, period! That therefore nips vices like lying, murder and other vices in the bud.