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We know you *****s!!! Stop publishing false information.foolish propanganda masipa amina!!!
Somebody has to be held responsible at the Times of Zambia for spreading falsehoods to the public.These tuma journalists are paid from taxpayer’s money and we expect professionalism.Maybe they are trying to out do each other with the Post foolishness.
Fellow patriots,
This PF is a regime of counterfeits. We have scumbags masquerading as leaders at what they don’t understand or know how to handle them. Zambia is at crossroads.
but iwe zoona.. you are still frustated ai?
Yaba! ! One step forward and 10 steps backwards.
Vyakulola vye
for sure
A minute of silence please
No body can take you serious any more Sinyinda. You are just making noise. I wonder what wisdom the Litunga used to appoint an unemployed politician as his right hand man. Your BA64 is dead in the water, is a non starter and it shall always be.
If it were dead you and your kaponya govt wouldn’t have a running commentary on the issue.
Gideon why are your MPs not resigning?
Amateurishly they are belaboring to plug a wedge in Zambians against a critical mass. Substandard trade-crafts of divide and conquer. What Zambia deserves to unlock herself from this quagmire are pragmatists with depth, foresight and ability to do a context analysis of speeches.
Senior Citizen your MMD was in power for 20 years but still failed to solve this quagmire, so just shut up.
This Sinyinda must be arrested before lives are lost. We can easily become another Luanda, Sudan etc. He must also be a very dull person with all his supporters. There can never be a breakaway from from one unitary state without bloodshed. This is war he is proposing
Really? Was there bloodshed when Singapore broke away from Malaysia in 1963? Or when the Czech republic and Slovakia put an end to Czechoslovakia in 1991? You are just another ignorant kaponya.
Gideon, we’re not in Europe you *****, Name an African country where there was a peaceful breakaway with everybody holding hands and singing “Kumbaya”?
Talk of dullness Luanda is not a country but one of the fastest growing cities in the world. Do you mean Rwanda? Well no need for war. No one is claiming land outside their entitlement plus if you want to continue with a sub standard level of governance go ahead. We have a history of governance and understand what good governance is. When you are ready for honest and constructive dialogue maybe but if it is games and silliness F the hell OFF and let us be.
You keep dreaming. Before you know it the UN Security Council will be debating the independence of Barotseland. There shall be no bloodshed, unless you kaponyas want to retire with Charles Taylor at the Hague for crimes against humanity.
Ngambela is a big Fool
He is an MMD cadre…Why did he serve as minister if he believed in Balozi agreement
Too slow ba LT.sleeping on duty ba editor.This is stale news naimwe.Utunenu natu yi breakinga kale.
Very foolish chap,you will now be delt with severly,som1 is giving this guy alot of money to destabilize our peace,lets get to the bottom of WHO IS FINANCING THIS MAN.
So the King is so useless as be unable to do such nonsense declared at BNC? This secession issue is getting out of hand, how come these *****s are still making noise, *****ic Sinyinda is power hungry mother****ing old and tired politician. I guess he needs to be arrested for treason…
Ngambela you  talk  too  much! Ukwa  will  put  you  behind bar for  that!!
Cant just understand why most bembas on this blog are crying for the lozis not to secede and yet you call lozis all sorts of names. There is nothing wrong with secession. Its self-determination, Its legal, Its not strange, lots of countries have been established thru secession. There is no need of insulting the lozis they are simply exercising their right.
Yambezhzi, you guys can leave and settle where ever you like, but all we are saying is, dont make noise when doing it. I mean there is no landin Zambia legally called Barotseland. So whe you leave, leave only with your belongings, i.e g-strings, bombasas, etc…
@CHIBS
Keep dreaming! Barotseland is our motherland. You can keep your Zambia and bombasas to yourself.
you hopani eaters can keep your sand just as long as long as you dont ignorantly claim our copper,who needs you anyway?????….
Keep dreaming if you think only Bembas are against this nonsense. By the way how do you tell who is bemba and not bemba from the blogs? Just get your head from your back side.
Do you remember Lenshina….. However the govt must find out who is funding these ama nyuku nyuku. that is the one whose head will be hammered against the wall. The People who were saying Sata will bring War are the ones who are faning the agitation
Why does the Elephant in the logo look so surprised. I guess someone has pulled your strings Ngambela and made you rescind your decision. You are just a puppet in a circus don’t get too carried away or else you will be the one getting locked up while the puppeteer “Litunga and other shadows” get away with it. Just keep being Vocal and you will see what happens to you.
arrest this guy already
Good morning
So we fell into a news trap yesterday? OK, we shall now see who holds the blade and who holds the handle in this tug of war to divide and rule.
Ngambela u’ve been given time to talk and people are seeing yo foolish selfish interest sponsored by HH.If u want to divide Zambia thru tribal line then u’re westing yo time.People are tired and sick of yo nonsense.Continue with yo nonsense even small group of people supporting u will stop then govt will punish u without support from Zambians.U should know that U’re fighting a loosing battle.When did lozi speaking people conqure our lamba land(CB)?I think some people are really crazy indeed.Can anyone tell the nation when Lozis conqured katanga province(Congo),Southern pro,Lsk,N/W,Zimbabwe,Botswana,Namibia,Luapula(bangweulu) and Angola?If the answer is noooooooooo then it was a fake document.No country will support u with such nonsense.U would have been lucky if it was only in Zambia.
You idi.ot it is
of your monkey govt to put words in another persons mouth. You monkeys seem to be congenital liars.
Total ignorance is all I can say about your comment. Those r not issues that have been raised in BA64 neither have the been mentioned in resolutions. Let us dialogue truthfully without trying to be too clever or to belittle others. That is was causes trouble to escalate. You never know i might say MASIPA A MAO!!
Hehehehehehe, the drama continues.
These Lozis should just go. I mean let them leave with immediate effect to leave us in peace. We have shown them that we do not need them before. Why stress? Let them go! After all, government is will remain intact. Only Wina , there only representative in Cabinet will leave. She was actually already going to to be fired and replaced by Ms Kapwapwa as deputy minister Gender to reduce the number of ministers. We have enough brains from the North -Rhodesia.
not in my generation ! tatuli bakupepela akashanga OR ukulinga akani mwikufii iyoowoo!
Only yesterday, I made an observation that there was need to find a proper solution which is initiated by this govt. PF has the chance to show true leadership with this issue since it is PF who brought the topic to life. No wonder it is said leave the dead alone in the graves, otherwise they will inform you of an issue you thought was dead. PF in your own tribe you say “ukuyapwila umulilo pa makasa” how much do this statement applies to Sata. I wish HE MC Sata all the best as he resolves this matter he started voluntarily.
Minyo lui amba inamwaka!!
BO sinyinda whats your trouble?Tell me a country which seceded without bloodshed,then I will have nothing against your secession.I did not know that its all about the lozisthe most important tribe in zambia.both the nkoyas and the mbundas are not with you in this.What does that spell for you and your fellow lozis?DOOOOOOOOOOM. so mwajama a chimbwi
Gideon Mimi Ireena Litunga Barotse son and others have one thing in common.They remind me of the BNP who believe England is ONLY for white people.This ‘Nazi’ way of thinking is a poison sweeping accross the EU like a wild fire.All you need to look at are the similarities.They have been calling Obama a monkey and so have these people and their supporters.They are very militant,arrongant, narrow minded and would never imagine a world with other people.They are extremely territorial and biggoted to a point that all they see on a human being is a primitive tribe.They feel other people are to blame for their ills i.e immigrants.The Baroste group feel Bemba speaking people are the cause of their misery.Sad but true…
We won’t keep quiet in the face of insults and lies from you. Please before you accuse lozis of tribalism remember that they are not a tribe. And please look at the tribal cabal in govt today, that is what tribalism looks like. And that is the problem with you lot. Besides I won’t be surprised that the only native language you speak is your Bemba. Zwaa yo shwela Koo!
Cool web site you have there.
Ngambela… izakunyokola njala uzabwela na kupapata….. Boma ni Boma
The muchinga should just be honest. They should not make up stories in their shines papers aimed at ridiculing the Ngambela and Lozis. You tried intimidation to stop the BNc from taking place, but it went ahead in full view of your so called security forces. After this, you started invoking treason. Now you are lying that the Ngambela has admitted being irresponsible while singuling you out as the responsible party. My advice to you is stop digging. If you want to talk to talk to these guys just say so. These lozi guys have outplayed you.
The moment i read the story yesterday, i realised something was fishy with the story. The sharp-U turn of the BNC was suspicious and if that was the case, then the whole BNC was a joke. Yes, as expected of any govt, they tried divide and conquer tactics which have been exposed and shamed the govt. The Lozi’s and we the tongas have suffered too much with these criminals from the north and their acomplices from the east. Can anyone convince me.. have you ever seen an honest Bemba in your life? Think deep. Even the men of God are the worst. Lozis have a good claim to the resources and they will develop and shame all of you. Its good bye to the failed state of Zambia.
Hachipuka you are an ***** are you telling us all the lozis are honest? if they are all pure why do you have prisons in western? try to be resoanable in your comments foolish!!!
Letter head should have been as ‘ The office Of The Prime Minister’ so that is a fake copy
WE’LL BE WILLING TO LEAVE YOUR BULOZI TO YOU,JUST INTENSIFY THE NOISE.PRISON IS YOUR DESTINY,THEN A KA FRIENDLY WAR BEFORE LEAVING
#1 you cracked me up hahahaha
i told you the earlier story was a fake.
it is shameful to see a sitting government psyche such a serious matter and hope that people will be cheated. i am quite dissappointed. imagine that, all along the way, this how serious a govenment in power is, and it is the same government ruling over people’s lives.
you can fully undersand why zambia has lagged behind. there is no seriousness and honesty in dealing with matters of national interest.
you even go ahead and publish a picture of a bemba and nyanja dancing, as though hey have defeated and remained what they have always eeb, greedy cousins. i am quite frustrated over this.
Nwestern, barotse and southern province, are in barotseland. i urge the chiefs from nwestern to meet with the litunga, and the chiefs frm southern to meet the litunga to chart the way forward on the composition o parliament and creation of independent states, a federal nation, in barotseland.
we kaondes cant allow copper wealth to go and build chinsali universities and we are the producers.
Bartose, we are behind you, we are rallying with you.
What a letter head!!!. Ati.. the office of the Ngambela.. it just shows how disorganized and fake this BA is. Shame.
@ Hachipuka
You are big fool if you think you small hung boys can divide Zambia
Thanks intended for supplying many of these very good post.
I can forge that signature using my toes and eyes closed…any way….whether you changed your mind or not..the BNC resolution IS BULLS**T…whose interest are you doing all this rubbish for…just ask for a job in government if thats what you want…
well the only thing i can say to you the BNC since u have not retracted your stance is good luck! after all this is treason you r committing, thereby breaking the law. so stand firm for what you believe & the law will adide by what it stands for
@25 Hachipuka
Dont blame northerners for your folies mune.Bembas have something you guys have failed to grasp-NETWORKING.That is why they are among the most influential earthnic groups in the world.They have even married into your small tribes to spread their influence.So if you cant beat them, you will die of hate as your fellow Bantustanese have before iwe
I hear a similar thing happened in Namibia in the 1990s and most of the Lozi’s there were arrested….and charged with treason…what can stop the Zambian government from doing so?..The Ngambela should understand that we have a good government in Zambia that can tolerate your nonsense, just dialogue with them to prevent unnecessarily disruption of peoples’ lives. Like most provinces, we need development but there are better ways for demanding for it; since you now you have gotten their attention.
Since 1964……. you should be concerned!
Nothing like this happened in Namibia. The Namibian Lozis did not have an agreement with Namibia. Lozis in Barotseland have an agreement that was witnessed by the British. BID DIFFERENCE. Just keep dreaming about your One Zambia.
Anti Kaponya we the British can never bring ourselves to a tribal level we are beyond that.
Looking at the photos of the BNC posted on this site, one can conclude that this matter is only being spearheaded by a few individuals. the meeting was poorly attended and most hardworking lozi guys who are settled in other parts of the country are embarrassed by these fellas…mr sata, this is a lesson that politics of popularity are not in anyones interests. now that you are in the driving seat its a defferent picture. this is why many now think levy was our best chance
@Hachipuka .This is why we are saying people behind this nonsense are loosers and bitter for not making it to state house.Why should people preach hatred against Bembas?what have bembas done to HH and Tonga speaking people?.This is why we said some politicians can’t win coz their parties are based on tribal lines.Some people who think dividing western,N/w and southern will make HH rule is a waste of time.U think Lozis will let HH rule?Ha ha ha power is so sweet.Let then UPND shifts to Mongu.Otherwise Barotse won’t work seeing that it covers Five countries(Namimbia,Botwana,Angola,Congo DRC and Zimbabwe.Not only that people behind it are loosers(MMD and UPND).I can’t even blame PF coz Barotse stated before PF coming into power even in 2011 january(mongu shootings).
This ngambela chap should be locked for high treason.
I propose the following items for the next BNC agenda.
1. Making Mongu international airport
2. Banning export of raw timber from Barotseland or imposition of 100% export duty to Zambia
3.Issuing of new Barotseland passports and IDs. 4.
Setting up an immigration post at Kafue Hook Bridge so that movement of foreigners, especially Zambians, is regulated.
5. Application of new country code.
6. Establishment of BoB (Bank of Barotseland)
7. Sending of Barotseland diplomats to surrounding countries.
More ideas are invited.
@Realest  – you have your foot in your mouth! Kasukuse mukanwa!!
WHAT TRIBE ARE YOU? WELL…YOU GAT ASS IN YOUR MOUTH!!!…
This is now circus!! Just few individuals trying to twist every one to listen to their so called “Agreement” which was signed by human beings and it is possible to do away with it. A white man just created a situation to deter people thinking beyond real issues that will bring about development in the area. Issues start small, but the consequences become fatal. If somebody does not want to dialogue and is still adamant why not force him to accept what the majority want! Let us not give chance to few individuals to spill the beans the situation that will cause suffering of many innocent Zambians. Government of the Republic of Zambia should handle this matter with urgency and cautiously. Let us not wait until things get out of hand!!!!
ngambela Siyinda is a bitter man because the MMD lost and he lost his job too.He now thinks he can be a president of Barotseland.Honestly chief Mukuni and all the other chiefs he wants to rule will not accept to be his subjects.
One Baroseland One nation!
@Hisman…..KISS MY ASS FROM HERE TO BAROTSE LAND! THEN YOU CAN BRUSH YOUR TEETH FROM THE FLOOD PLAINS….
I note that Ngambela’s press statements look more ‘professional’ than those for ‘immediate release’ ones from George Chella.
No.29 You don’t Know what Chiefs from N/Western are thinking,I don’nt think you are Kaonde waswa Mema,we can’t support Lozi and we shall never be under Lozi.You must be another big Fool.
 @japo, stop pretending to be Kaonde! We know its only Tongas who can write like that, but pretending to be either Lozi or Kaonde. Lozis are not tribal neither are Kaondes, but only you the Tongas. All you are trying to do is to create a picture as if Lozis and Northwesteners are supporting your tribal Politics. Just ask your leader to sale himself well. As long as he is Zambian and meets all the qualifications, he too can lead this country. 2016 isn’t that far. HH can still make it if only he can use this valuable time to rebuild and strengthen the UPND rather on spearheading tribal differences. Â
Why all this noise if the Lozis want to be independent just let them be, after all what is there in Western Province. The only thing they will enjoy is a large Police force. So when are Lozis living in the rest of Zambia going back to Western Province. Remember to leave your registration cards and passports in Zambia or we can just change them when you have left. Uku la papata ba eni sha. Give them what they want
ati Ngambela, mponono, mponono. Ati Minister
Bwatula na bamba!! Lol
Its like you read my mind! You appear to know a lot about this, like you wrote the book in it or something. I think that you could do with a few pics to drive the message home a little bit, but instead of that, this is wonderful blog. A great read. I’ll certainly be back.
Somehow I don’t take this man seriously, if really he was a hardcore Lozi man, why did he serve as a Minister in the MMD govt? This man is working under the influence of the lost MMD. I would advise the PF Govt to just keep him at bay, one day he will talk of his sponsors, he is just doing the “Donchi Kubeba” solgan
Question. What has Zambia taken out of Western Province that has benefited the rest of Zambia or Northern Province for that matter? I am trying to understand all this bitterness directed at Northerners or should I say Bemba’s. Yes I’m a Bemba and I do not intend to hide my identity.
@Zedwise u a spot on! Its true a group led by a Lozi ***** called Muyongo who were ochestrasing the same nosense of attempting to have Capriv strip in Namibia; they wanted to unite with the Lozis in Zambia to form Barotseland as country. SWAPO pounded them mercilesly quite a number of people were killed, others fled to Botswana and stayed @ Dukwi refuge camp. Muyongo fled to Denmark and sought asylum there. Boma ni Boma. Muyongo had a ragtag army who were armed by Savimbi. The rest is History. Why is our President procrastinating?
Barotseland Opposition Myths Debunked
1. Secession will cause bloodshed (no country has seceded without bloodshed) Myth
a. FACT: Bloodshed to be caused by whom and for what reasons? Learn to separate instances. Barotseland and Northern Rhodesia entered into an agreement that has been abrogated, and by which implication the two nations become separate. Why should there be a spill of blood? Countries you cite had completely separate issues.
2. Boundaries Myth
a. FACT: The Agreement never mentions any boundaries so why should that be an argument alongside the BA’64 issue?
b. FACT: The original boundaries that spun into other countries never became part of unitary Zambia anyway. And the ‘new’ Barotseland became today’s Western Province.
Thus by default any future Barotseland is virtually the current Western Province. The Ngambela is on record publicly saying only the 7 Districts that form Western Province will become Barotseland. This links to Myth 1 above why there can be no justification for blood shading as no foreign land is claimed.
3. Marriages; Offsprings; Jobs; Assets; etc. Myth
a. FACT: In today’s Global intertwined world, people don’t need to be in their country of origin to enjoy the artefacts of life like marriages, jobs, assets, etc. Where I live, I see indigenous Africans, Anglo-Saxons, Asians, Arabs, Latinos, etc, living side by side.
b. FACT: The Ngambela is on record saying they will allow other nationalities to live in Barotseland and they won’t recall Barotses living outside,
Seriously this is a none starter issue and is getting stale. This Ngambela is an opportunist, where was he last year when this issue started? This is what happens to hunger stricken chaps, they lose direction, why bringing anarchy now? Its your Litunga who contributed greatly to lack of development in Western province coz the primitive traditions, greedy, and selfishness. He discourages investors and chews the loyalties money with his family alone. You had plenty of Lozi MMD ministers and what did they do for Barotseland? Just press your leaders to lobby govt to bring development projects and hold them accountable. Just think of how much has been spent on the Kalabo road- billions and yet there is no results, where does the money go?
Barotseland Opposition Myths Debunked
1. Secession will cause bloodshed (no country has seceded without bloodshed) Myth
a. FACT: Bloodshed to be caused by whom and for what reasons? Learn to separate instances. Barotseland and Northern Rhodesia entered into an agreement that has been abrogated, and by which implication the two nations become separate. Why should there be a spill of blood? Countries you cite had completely separate issues.
2. Boundaries Myth
a. FACT: The Agreement never mentions any boundaries so why should that be an argument alongside the BA’64 issue?
b. FACT: The original boundaries that spun into other countries never became part of unitary Zambia anyway. And the ‘new’ Barotseland became today’s Western Province. Thus by default any future Barotseland.
is virtually the current Western Province. The Ngambela is on record publicly saying only the 7 Districts that form Western Province will become Barotseland. This links to Myth 1 above why there can be no justification for blood shading as no foreign land is claimed.
3. Marriages; Offsprings; Jobs; Assets; etc. Myth
a. FACT: In today’s Global intertwined world, people don’t need to be in their country of origin to enjoy the artefacts of life like marriages, jobs, assets, etc. Where I live, I see indigenous Africans, Anglo-Saxons, Asians, Arabs, Latinos, etc, living side by side.
b. FACT: The Ngambela is on record saying they will allow other nationalities to live in Barotseland and they won’t recall Barotses living outside unless they choose to offer their services
on patriotic grounds on their own accord.
c. FACT: Unless the government of Zambia chooses to expel ‘Zambians’ of Barotse origin (in which case they lose their skills and services), I don’t see any problem here.
4. No Resources; Sand; etc. Myth
a. FACT: Well double-standard, don’t you think – what do you have to lose if a man with nothing chooses to self-determine their own destiny? More like a Master being mad at the notion that slavery would be abandoned.
b. FACT: Barotseland has heaps of resources that have not been tapped or exploited deliberately to keep her being a dependant of Zambia – and resources doesn’t just mean ‘minerals’… there is land itself, natural resources, human resources, monetary/financial resources invested in individuals, etc.
among other things.
c. FACT: Zambia and their KK actually borrowed money from Barotseland that may be demanded to be paid back with interest.
5. Barotseland issue is a non-starter; will never happen; arrests; insults Myth
a. FACT: First the Agreement is REAL – as real as it gets
b. FACT: An idea and a cause never dies no matter how you frustrate it – you can only delay it
c. FACT: Arrests; insults; etc. just saves to unite a people to the point where even those who were never interested in the issue
d. FACT: The Arab Spring is headed South and it’s currently in Zambia
e. FACT: Secession can only be prevented by full restoration of the BA’64; genocide or God
f. FACT: Fighting on the part of Zambia may create catastrophic death on both sides
– remember there are people with Barotse ties serving in the Armed Forces; won’t be long before you create suicide bombers ready to die for the cause on both sides.
What is the Pf govt. Waiting for because these chaps should be greeting the high court judge by now in “neigbouring Zambia”.The use of northern Rhodesia and or Barotseland in letter heads and otherwise is in itself high treason.I wonder where the Dpp is.The President is still silent on this matter.Wow!I think i miss Kaunda’s Presidency because he acted swiftly.Remember Lenshina’s Lumpa sect issue.K.K acted fast to save Zambia but Sata is still dilly dallying and shilly shalling.God hear us! GOD BLESS ZAMBIA.
The chess player continued to stare thoughtfully at the board…
@Jigga: watch this space. Your biased, shallow and unprofessional analysis of the events in Zambia surrounding WP is not only shocking but sad. Zambians with a humanitarian heart will not allow a clique of disgruntled politicians to grab land from the country however unproductive it may appear to be. WP does not belong to the Lozis but to all Zambians of all tribes. The issue of WP concerns us all. It is not between the government and the BRE or the BNC. When we say that Sinyinda should let this topic go we mean it. There are people like me who will die to ensure WP remains part of One Zambia and One Nation. One land and one nation is still our cry. Do not be lied to, if you think you can take WP from us that easily you and Sinyinda you are bound for a rude shock.Â
Nice one ‘Educator’… happy to know you call Western Province your home. Yes there’s no denying Western Province was part of Zambia until the BNC made the resolutions. By the way the BNC is the people, the people representatives…. same way MPs who make our laws are people representatives.
Now the fact that you are so keen to call WP part of Zambia, but at the same time refuse to acknowledge how Zambia was born is quite as shocking as you calling my analysis shocking. If you believe in Zambia as a country, and WP as being part of it, you might as well believe in the Barotseland Agreement of 1964; you might as well believe in the Independence of Zambia in 1964 and the preceding struggle.
Educator you can’t have it both ways – you either die or live. I’m out!
By the way I forgot to mention that I’m not a politician… never even met Ngambela Sinyinda before in my life.
Barotseland seceding or remaining part of Zambia won’t affect my life, but will affect my people, in a postive way.
I also believe that failure to even just acknowledge the BA’64 in the Constitution and/or history school books is serious flaw that disrespects the facts behind the birth of Zambia.
Educator we are all prepared to die for the cause so yout threats don’t scare anyone… problem is we are both overseas!
1. WP has Brocken away from Zambia. Myth
a) FACT: the BNC is not recognised as a legal organisation outside the BRE
b) FACT: the BFM is not recognised as a legal organisation inside or outside the BRE
c) FACT: the government is still in control of WP
d) FACT: there is no uprising of the people of WP as of to date.
e) FACT: Sinyinda is in hiding.Â
d) FACT: the only person capable of issuing a statement on the issues about the union is the Litunga.Â
Educator, I like your FACTS… I guess there’s no need for me for you to panic then.
By the way it doesn’t matter whether BNC is recognised outside Barotseland. They don’t seek legitimacy outside; the only letigimacy they require is that from the people of Barotseland.
I would you like you debunk the legitimacy ‘myth’ of Barotseland of 1964 as well.
6. Other regions will emulate Barotseland and make similar demands Myth
a. FACT: Other regions don’t have an Agreement they entered into with Nothern Rhodesia. So what legitimacy are they going to base their supposed similar demands on? They were and they are part of N/Rhodesia and subsequently Zambia.
b. FACT: Only two autonomous nations entered into a political pact: Barotseland and Northern Rhodesia. Remember how a political pact between PF and UPND died and they both went separate ways? Well, albeit bad example, but this is exactly how this pact is unfolding too.
7. Responding to these Myths and FACTS:a. Please use mature and intellectual arguments to ‘debunk’ my ‘FACTS’… articulate as much you could and no insults please.
YAPONA BOMBAS BASAKENI NEMENO AYABOLA, HE, HE HEE, UKWA THOUGHT HE CAN USE GOVERNMENT MACHINERY TO CHEAT, JUS CONCTRATE ON YOUR DEAD CHITIMUKULU . LEAVE BA IT IS NO LONGER YOUR COURY, THEY ARE YOUR NEIGHBOURS
The BRE resolution are for mongu residents…nothing to do with the rest of zambia…so this Ngambela ***** must stop making noise… we have more important issues of national interest to debate…not some selffish lozis tribal myopic views…
@Jigga, you think by blogging you can mobilise or insight disciplined soldiers to go rogue and follow a loud mouthed Sinyinda who is despising the Litunga by calling him useless. Mobilising a military revolt takes more resources than soldiers picking their guns and say we will defend Sinyinda. What does Sinyinda or the chaps in the BFM have which can sustain an uprising. Very soon we shall all start protesting against the tardy and laggard behaviour of the government to arrest Sinyinda and his minions. We can start protests against the leadership of Litunga stating he has failed to rule his chiefdom.
Educator, go ahead and protest the Litunga’s reign… that monarchy has been around for centuries and has withstood the test of time. Only Lozis can put someone to the throne and only they can dethrone him.
Anyhow good luck with that… your rants are probably too big for me to comprehend.
Gideon
I speak Bemba because I was born on the copperbelt,I speak a bit of chiTonga, Lozi and Kaonde because my neibours were from different parts of Zambia.That is how we were borught up on the copperbelt.Even tho Iam not Bemba it was spoken on th CB.Now apart from English I speak French,and some German.
I thought the BNC can come up with resolutions of, we want 10boarding sec schools, 100 clinics, 3hospitals, 1000km of tar-road, 1000km of graded road, 150police posts, 50 primary schools, new marktes in all towns, etc. The techocrats of western pr have intelligence with no common sense. Besides this BA64 complaint is just about Bembas in power. Look at how they voted for MMD MPs who were in the party that killed them! This battle is about Lozis and Bembas in leadership not the secetion crap.
president sata, delays in acting creates alots of impatience, give the nation direction on western province and be firm as we know you,This crap is getting boring.viva zed.
why do you start things you can not finish. Michael is waiting for the first person to put beacons. the he will deal with him.
The Pf Government and President Sata must act before it is too late.President Sata has the mandate to protect the lives of Zambians and property which we have worked for since time memorial.This chat Sinyinda must be arrested at once and put in Chimbokaila prison because he has committed treason.All the people supporting the treasonable conduct must be jailed at once in order to maintain peace in the country.
The sponsors of the so called BNC must be investigated and the culprits brought to book and charged the the Authorities. We do not need to waste anymore time because Sinyinda and friends are serious with their announcements.
THIS IS CHANDA CHIMBWI’S SIGNATURE I KNOW IT.
We know you *****s!!! Stop publishing false information.foolish propanganda masipa amina!!!
Somebody has to be held responsible at the Times of Zambia for spreading falsehoods to the public.These tuma journalists are paid from taxpayer’s money and we expect professionalism.Maybe they are trying to out do each other with the Post foolishness.
Fellow patriots,
This PF is a regime of counterfeits. We have scumbags masquerading as leaders at what they don’t understand or know how to handle them. Zambia is at crossroads.
but iwe zoona.. you are still frustated ai?
Yaba! ! One step forward and 10 steps backwards.
Vyakulola vye
for sure
A minute of silence please
No body can take you serious any more Sinyinda. You are just making noise. I wonder what wisdom the Litunga used to appoint an unemployed politician as his right hand man. Your BA64 is dead in the water, is a non starter and it shall always be.
If it were dead you and your kaponya govt wouldn’t have a running commentary on the issue.
Gideon why are your MPs not resigning?
Amateurishly they are belaboring to plug a wedge in Zambians against a critical mass. Substandard trade-crafts of divide and conquer. What Zambia deserves to unlock herself from this quagmire are pragmatists with depth, foresight and ability to do a context analysis of speeches.
Senior Citizen your MMD was in power for 20 years but still failed to solve this quagmire, so just shut up.
This Sinyinda must be arrested before lives are lost. We can easily become another Luanda, Sudan etc. He must also be a very dull person with all his supporters. There can never be a breakaway from from one unitary state without bloodshed. This is war he is proposing
Really? Was there bloodshed when Singapore broke away from Malaysia in 1963? Or when the Czech republic and Slovakia put an end to Czechoslovakia in 1991? You are just another ignorant kaponya.
Gideon, we’re not in Europe you *****, Name an African country where there was a peaceful breakaway with everybody holding hands and singing “Kumbaya”?
Talk of dullness Luanda is not a country but one of the fastest growing cities in the world. Do you mean Rwanda? Well no need for war. No one is claiming land outside their entitlement plus if you want to continue with a sub standard level of governance go ahead. We have a history of governance and understand what good governance is. When you are ready for honest and constructive dialogue maybe but if it is games and silliness F the hell OFF and let us be.
You keep dreaming. Before you know it the UN Security Council will be debating the independence of Barotseland. There shall be no bloodshed, unless you kaponyas want to retire with Charles Taylor at the Hague for crimes against humanity.
Ngambela is a big Fool
He is an MMD cadre…Why did he serve as minister if he believed in Balozi agreement
Too slow ba LT.sleeping on duty ba editor.This is stale news naimwe.Utunenu natu yi breakinga kale.
Very foolish chap,you will now be delt with severly,som1 is giving this guy alot of money to destabilize our peace,lets get to the bottom of WHO IS FINANCING THIS MAN.
So the King is so useless as be unable to do such nonsense declared at BNC? This secession issue is getting out of hand, how come these *****s are still making noise, *****ic Sinyinda is power hungry mother****ing old and tired politician. I guess he needs to be arrested for treason…
Ngambela you  talk  too  much! Ukwa  will  put  you  behind bar for  that!!
Cant just understand why most bembas on this blog are crying for the lozis not to secede and yet you call lozis all sorts of names. There is nothing wrong with secession. Its self-determination, Its legal, Its not strange, lots of countries have been established thru secession. There is no need of insulting the lozis they are simply exercising their right.
Yambezhzi, you guys can leave and settle where ever you like, but all we are saying is, dont make noise when doing it. I mean there is no landin Zambia legally called Barotseland. So whe you leave, leave only with your belongings, i.e g-strings, bombasas, etc…
@CHIBS
Keep dreaming! Barotseland is our motherland. You can keep your Zambia and bombasas to yourself.
you hopani eaters can keep your sand just as long as long as you dont ignorantly claim our copper,who needs you anyway?????….
Keep dreaming if you think only Bembas are against this nonsense. By the way how do you tell who is bemba and not bemba from the blogs? Just get your head from your back side.
Do you remember Lenshina….. However the govt must find out who is funding these ama nyuku nyuku. that is the one whose head will be hammered against the wall. The People who were saying Sata will bring War are the ones who are faning the agitation
Why does the Elephant in the logo look so surprised. I guess someone has pulled your strings Ngambela and made you rescind your decision. You are just a puppet in a circus don’t get too carried away or else you will be the one getting locked up while the puppeteer “Litunga and other shadows” get away with it. Just keep being Vocal and you will see what happens to you.
arrest this guy already
Good morning
So we fell into a news trap yesterday? OK, we shall now see who holds the blade and who holds the handle in this tug of war to divide and rule.
Ngambela u’ve been given time to talk and people are seeing yo foolish selfish interest sponsored by HH.If u want to divide Zambia thru tribal line then u’re westing yo time.People are tired and sick of yo nonsense.Continue with yo nonsense even small group of people supporting u will stop then govt will punish u without support from Zambians.U should know that U’re fighting a loosing battle.When did lozi speaking people conqure our lamba land(CB)?I think some people are really crazy indeed.Can anyone tell the nation when Lozis conqured katanga province(Congo),Southern pro,Lsk,N/W,Zimbabwe,Botswana,Namibia,Luapula(bangweulu) and Angola?If the answer is noooooooooo then it was a fake document.No country will support u with such nonsense.U would have been lucky if it was only in Zambia.
You idi.ot it is
of your monkey govt to put words in another persons mouth. You monkeys seem to be congenital liars.
Total ignorance is all I can say about your comment. Those r not issues that have been raised in BA64 neither have the been mentioned in resolutions. Let us dialogue truthfully without trying to be too clever or to belittle others. That is was causes trouble to escalate. You never know i might say MASIPA A MAO!!
Hehehehehehe, the drama continues.
These Lozis should just go. I mean let them leave with immediate effect to leave us in peace. We have shown them that we do not need them before. Why stress? Let them go! After all, government is will remain intact. Only Wina , there only representative in Cabinet will leave. She was actually already going to to be fired and replaced by Ms Kapwapwa as deputy minister Gender to reduce the number of ministers. We have enough brains from the North -Rhodesia.
not in my generation ! tatuli bakupepela akashanga OR ukulinga akani mwikufii iyoowoo!
Only yesterday, I made an observation that there was need to find a proper solution which is initiated by this govt. PF has the chance to show true leadership with this issue since it is PF who brought the topic to life. No wonder it is said leave the dead alone in the graves, otherwise they will inform you of an issue you thought was dead. PF in your own tribe you say “ukuyapwila umulilo pa makasa” how much do this statement applies to Sata. I wish HE MC Sata all the best as he resolves this matter he started voluntarily.
Minyo lui amba inamwaka!!
BO sinyinda whats your trouble?Tell me a country which seceded without bloodshed,then I will have nothing against your secession.I did not know that its all about the lozisthe most important tribe in zambia.both the nkoyas and the mbundas are not with you in this.What does that spell for you and your fellow lozis?DOOOOOOOOOOM. so mwajama a chimbwi
Gideon Mimi Ireena Litunga Barotse son and others have one thing in common.They remind me of the BNP who believe England is ONLY for white people.This ‘Nazi’ way of thinking is a poison sweeping accross the EU like a wild fire.All you need to look at are the similarities.They have been calling Obama a monkey and so have these people and their supporters.They are very militant,arrongant, narrow minded and would never imagine a world with other people.They are extremely territorial and biggoted to a point that all they see on a human being is a primitive tribe.They feel other people are to blame for their ills i.e immigrants.The Baroste group feel Bemba speaking people are the cause of their misery.Sad but true…
We won’t keep quiet in the face of insults and lies from you. Please before you accuse lozis of tribalism remember that they are not a tribe. And please look at the tribal cabal in govt today, that is what tribalism looks like. And that is the problem with you lot. Besides I won’t be surprised that the only native language you speak is your Bemba. Zwaa yo shwela Koo!
Cool web site you have there.
Ngambela… izakunyokola njala uzabwela na kupapata….. Boma ni Boma
The muchinga should just be honest. They should not make up stories in their shines papers aimed at ridiculing the Ngambela and Lozis. You tried intimidation to stop the BNc from taking place, but it went ahead in full view of your so called security forces. After this, you started invoking treason. Now you are lying that the Ngambela has admitted being irresponsible while singuling you out as the responsible party. My advice to you is stop digging. If you want to talk to talk to these guys just say so. These lozi guys have outplayed you.
The moment i read the story yesterday, i realised something was fishy with the story. The sharp-U turn of the BNC was suspicious and if that was the case, then the whole BNC was a joke. Yes, as expected of any govt, they tried divide and conquer tactics which have been exposed and shamed the govt. The Lozi’s and we the tongas have suffered too much with these criminals from the north and their acomplices from the east. Can anyone convince me.. have you ever seen an honest Bemba in your life? Think deep. Even the men of God are the worst. Lozis have a good claim to the resources and they will develop and shame all of you. Its good bye to the failed state of Zambia.
Hachipuka you are an ***** are you telling us all the lozis are honest? if they are all pure why do you have prisons in western? try to be resoanable in your comments foolish!!!
Letter head should have been as ‘ The office Of The Prime Minister’ so that is a fake copy
WE’LL BE WILLING TO LEAVE YOUR BULOZI TO YOU,JUST INTENSIFY THE NOISE.PRISON IS YOUR DESTINY,THEN A KA FRIENDLY WAR BEFORE LEAVING
#1 you cracked me up hahahaha
i told you the earlier story was a fake.
it is shameful to see a sitting government psyche such a serious matter and hope that people will be cheated. i am quite dissappointed. imagine that, all along the way, this how serious a govenment in power is, and it is the same government ruling over people’s lives.
you can fully undersand why zambia has lagged behind. there is no seriousness and honesty in dealing with matters of national interest.
you even go ahead and publish a picture of a bemba and nyanja dancing, as though hey have defeated and remained what they have always eeb, greedy cousins. i am quite frustrated over this.
Nwestern, barotse and southern province, are in barotseland. i urge the chiefs from nwestern to meet with the litunga, and the chiefs frm southern to meet the litunga to chart the way forward on the composition o parliament and creation of independent states, a federal nation, in barotseland.
we kaondes cant allow copper wealth to go and build chinsali universities and we are the producers.
Bartose, we are behind you, we are rallying with you.
What a letter head!!!. Ati.. the office of the Ngambela.. it just shows how disorganized and fake this BA is. Shame.
@ Hachipuka
You are big fool if you think you small hung boys can divide Zambia
Thanks intended for supplying many of these very good post.
I can forge that signature using my toes and eyes closed…any way….whether you changed your mind or not..the BNC resolution IS BULLS**T…whose interest are you doing all this rubbish for…just ask for a job in government if thats what you want…
well the only thing i can say to you the BNC since u have not retracted your stance is good luck! after all this is treason you r committing, thereby breaking the law. so stand firm for what you believe & the law will adide by what it stands for
@25 Hachipuka
Dont blame northerners for your folies mune.Bembas have something you guys have failed to grasp-NETWORKING.That is why they are among the most influential earthnic groups in the world.They have even married into your small tribes to spread their influence.So if you cant beat them, you will die of hate as your fellow Bantustanese have before iwe
I hear a similar thing happened in Namibia in the 1990s and most of the Lozi’s there were arrested….and charged with treason…what can stop the Zambian government from doing so?..The Ngambela should understand that we have a good government in Zambia that can tolerate your nonsense, just dialogue with them to prevent unnecessarily disruption of peoples’ lives. Like most provinces, we need development but there are better ways for demanding for it; since you now you have gotten their attention.
Since 1964……. you should be concerned!
Nothing like this happened in Namibia. The Namibian Lozis did not have an agreement with Namibia. Lozis in Barotseland have an agreement that was witnessed by the British. BID DIFFERENCE. Just keep dreaming about your One Zambia.
Anti Kaponya we the British can never bring ourselves to a tribal level we are beyond that.
Looking at the photos of the BNC posted on this site, one can conclude that this matter is only being spearheaded by a few individuals. the meeting was poorly attended and most hardworking lozi guys who are settled in other parts of the country are embarrassed by these fellas…mr sata, this is a lesson that politics of popularity are not in anyones interests. now that you are in the driving seat its a defferent picture. this is why many now think levy was our best chance
@Hachipuka .This is why we are saying people behind this nonsense are loosers and bitter for not making it to state house.Why should people preach hatred against Bembas?what have bembas done to HH and Tonga speaking people?.This is why we said some politicians can’t win coz their parties are based on tribal lines.Some people who think dividing western,N/w and southern will make HH rule is a waste of time.U think Lozis will let HH rule?Ha ha ha power is so sweet.Let then UPND shifts to Mongu.Otherwise Barotse won’t work seeing that it covers Five countries(Namimbia,Botwana,Angola,Congo DRC and Zimbabwe.Not only that people behind it are loosers(MMD and UPND).I can’t even blame PF coz Barotse stated before PF coming into power even in 2011 january(mongu shootings).
This ngambela chap should be locked for high treason.
I propose the following items for the next BNC agenda.
1. Making Mongu international airport
2. Banning export of raw timber from Barotseland or imposition of 100% export duty to Zambia
3.Issuing of new Barotseland passports and IDs. 4.
Setting up an immigration post at Kafue Hook Bridge so that movement of foreigners, especially Zambians, is regulated.
5. Application of new country code.
6. Establishment of BoB (Bank of Barotseland)
7. Sending of Barotseland diplomats to surrounding countries.
More ideas are invited.
@Realest  – you have your foot in your mouth! Kasukuse mukanwa!!
WHAT TRIBE ARE YOU? WELL…YOU GAT ASS IN YOUR MOUTH!!!…
This is now circus!! Just few individuals trying to twist every one to listen to their so called “Agreement” which was signed by human beings and it is possible to do away with it. A white man just created a situation to deter people thinking beyond real issues that will bring about development in the area. Issues start small, but the consequences become fatal. If somebody does not want to dialogue and is still adamant why not force him to accept what the majority want! Let us not give chance to few individuals to spill the beans the situation that will cause suffering of many innocent Zambians. Government of the Republic of Zambia should handle this matter with urgency and cautiously. Let us not wait until things get out of hand!!!!
ngambela Siyinda is a bitter man because the MMD lost and he lost his job too.He now thinks he can be a president of Barotseland.Honestly chief Mukuni and all the other chiefs he wants to rule will not accept to be his subjects.
One Baroseland One nation!
@Hisman…..KISS MY ASS FROM HERE TO BAROTSE LAND! THEN YOU CAN BRUSH YOUR TEETH FROM THE FLOOD PLAINS….
I note that Ngambela’s press statements look more ‘professional’ than those for ‘immediate release’ ones from George Chella.
No.29 You don’t Know what Chiefs from N/Western are thinking,I don’nt think you are Kaonde waswa Mema,we can’t support Lozi and we shall never be under Lozi.You must be another big Fool.
 @japo, stop pretending to be Kaonde! We know its only Tongas who can write like that, but pretending to be either Lozi or Kaonde. Lozis are not tribal neither are Kaondes, but only you the Tongas. All you are trying to do is to create a picture as if Lozis and Northwesteners are supporting your tribal Politics. Just ask your leader to sale himself well. As long as he is Zambian and meets all the qualifications, he too can lead this country. 2016 isn’t that far. HH can still make it if only he can use this valuable time to rebuild and strengthen the UPND rather on spearheading tribal differences. Â
Why all this noise if the Lozis want to be independent just let them be, after all what is there in Western Province. The only thing they will enjoy is a large Police force. So when are Lozis living in the rest of Zambia going back to Western Province. Remember to leave your registration cards and passports in Zambia or we can just change them when you have left. Uku la papata ba eni sha. Give them what they want
ati Ngambela, mponono, mponono. Ati Minister
Bwatula na bamba!! Lol
Its like you read my mind! You appear to know a lot about this, like you wrote the book in it or something. I think that you could do with a few pics to drive the message home a little bit, but instead of that, this is wonderful blog. A great read. I’ll certainly be back.
Somehow I don’t take this man seriously, if really he was a hardcore Lozi man, why did he serve as a Minister in the MMD govt? This man is working under the influence of the lost MMD. I would advise the PF Govt to just keep him at bay, one day he will talk of his sponsors, he is just doing the “Donchi Kubeba” solgan
Question. What has Zambia taken out of Western Province that has benefited the rest of Zambia or Northern Province for that matter? I am trying to understand all this bitterness directed at Northerners or should I say Bemba’s. Yes I’m a Bemba and I do not intend to hide my identity.
@Zedwise u a spot on! Its true a group led by a Lozi ***** called Muyongo who were ochestrasing the same nosense of attempting to have Capriv strip in Namibia; they wanted to unite with the Lozis in Zambia to form Barotseland as country. SWAPO pounded them mercilesly quite a number of people were killed, others fled to Botswana and stayed @ Dukwi refuge camp. Muyongo fled to Denmark and sought asylum there. Boma ni Boma. Muyongo had a ragtag army who were armed by Savimbi. The rest is History. Why is our President procrastinating?
Barotseland Opposition Myths Debunked
1. Secession will cause bloodshed (no country has seceded without bloodshed) Myth
a. FACT: Bloodshed to be caused by whom and for what reasons? Learn to separate instances. Barotseland and Northern Rhodesia entered into an agreement that has been abrogated, and by which implication the two nations become separate. Why should there be a spill of blood? Countries you cite had completely separate issues.
2. Boundaries Myth
a. FACT: The Agreement never mentions any boundaries so why should that be an argument alongside the BA’64 issue?
b. FACT: The original boundaries that spun into other countries never became part of unitary Zambia anyway. And the ‘new’ Barotseland became today’s Western Province.
Thus by default any future Barotseland is virtually the current Western Province. The Ngambela is on record publicly saying only the 7 Districts that form Western Province will become Barotseland. This links to Myth 1 above why there can be no justification for blood shading as no foreign land is claimed.
3. Marriages; Offsprings; Jobs; Assets; etc. Myth
a. FACT: In today’s Global intertwined world, people don’t need to be in their country of origin to enjoy the artefacts of life like marriages, jobs, assets, etc. Where I live, I see indigenous Africans, Anglo-Saxons, Asians, Arabs, Latinos, etc, living side by side.
b. FACT: The Ngambela is on record saying they will allow other nationalities to live in Barotseland and they won’t recall Barotses living outside,
Seriously this is a none starter issue and is getting stale. This Ngambela is an opportunist, where was he last year when this issue started? This is what happens to hunger stricken chaps, they lose direction, why bringing anarchy now? Its your Litunga who contributed greatly to lack of development in Western province coz the primitive traditions, greedy, and selfishness. He discourages investors and chews the loyalties money with his family alone. You had plenty of Lozi MMD ministers and what did they do for Barotseland? Just press your leaders to lobby govt to bring development projects and hold them accountable. Just think of how much has been spent on the Kalabo road- billions and yet there is no results, where does the money go?
Barotseland Opposition Myths Debunked
1. Secession will cause bloodshed (no country has seceded without bloodshed) Myth
a. FACT: Bloodshed to be caused by whom and for what reasons? Learn to separate instances. Barotseland and Northern Rhodesia entered into an agreement that has been abrogated, and by which implication the two nations become separate. Why should there be a spill of blood? Countries you cite had completely separate issues.
2. Boundaries Myth
a. FACT: The Agreement never mentions any boundaries so why should that be an argument alongside the BA’64 issue?
b. FACT: The original boundaries that spun into other countries never became part of unitary Zambia anyway. And the ‘new’ Barotseland became today’s Western Province. Thus by default any future Barotseland.
is virtually the current Western Province. The Ngambela is on record publicly saying only the 7 Districts that form Western Province will become Barotseland. This links to Myth 1 above why there can be no justification for blood shading as no foreign land is claimed.
3. Marriages; Offsprings; Jobs; Assets; etc. Myth
a. FACT: In today’s Global intertwined world, people don’t need to be in their country of origin to enjoy the artefacts of life like marriages, jobs, assets, etc. Where I live, I see indigenous Africans, Anglo-Saxons, Asians, Arabs, Latinos, etc, living side by side.
b. FACT: The Ngambela is on record saying they will allow other nationalities to live in Barotseland and they won’t recall Barotses living outside unless they choose to offer their services
on patriotic grounds on their own accord.
c. FACT: Unless the government of Zambia chooses to expel ‘Zambians’ of Barotse origin (in which case they lose their skills and services), I don’t see any problem here.
4. No Resources; Sand; etc. Myth
a. FACT: Well double-standard, don’t you think – what do you have to lose if a man with nothing chooses to self-determine their own destiny? More like a Master being mad at the notion that slavery would be abandoned.
b. FACT: Barotseland has heaps of resources that have not been tapped or exploited deliberately to keep her being a dependant of Zambia – and resources doesn’t just mean ‘minerals’… there is land itself, natural resources, human resources, monetary/financial resources invested in individuals, etc.
among other things.
c. FACT: Zambia and their KK actually borrowed money from Barotseland that may be demanded to be paid back with interest.
5. Barotseland issue is a non-starter; will never happen; arrests; insults Myth
a. FACT: First the Agreement is REAL – as real as it gets
b. FACT: An idea and a cause never dies no matter how you frustrate it – you can only delay it
c. FACT: Arrests; insults; etc. just saves to unite a people to the point where even those who were never interested in the issue
d. FACT: The Arab Spring is headed South and it’s currently in Zambia
e. FACT: Secession can only be prevented by full restoration of the BA’64; genocide or God
f. FACT: Fighting on the part of Zambia may create catastrophic death on both sides
– remember there are people with Barotse ties serving in the Armed Forces; won’t be long before you create suicide bombers ready to die for the cause on both sides.
What is the Pf govt. Waiting for because these chaps should be greeting the high court judge by now in “neigbouring Zambia”.The use of northern Rhodesia and or Barotseland in letter heads and otherwise is in itself high treason.I wonder where the Dpp is.The President is still silent on this matter.Wow!I think i miss Kaunda’s Presidency because he acted swiftly.Remember Lenshina’s Lumpa sect issue.K.K acted fast to save Zambia but Sata is still dilly dallying and shilly shalling.God hear us! GOD BLESS ZAMBIA.
The chess player continued to stare thoughtfully at the board…
@Jigga: watch this space. Your biased, shallow and unprofessional analysis of the events in Zambia surrounding WP is not only shocking but sad. Zambians with a humanitarian heart will not allow a clique of disgruntled politicians to grab land from the country however unproductive it may appear to be. WP does not belong to the Lozis but to all Zambians of all tribes. The issue of WP concerns us all. It is not between the government and the BRE or the BNC. When we say that Sinyinda should let this topic go we mean it. There are people like me who will die to ensure WP remains part of One Zambia and One Nation. One land and one nation is still our cry. Do not be lied to, if you think you can take WP from us that easily you and Sinyinda you are bound for a rude shock.Â
Nice one ‘Educator’… happy to know you call Western Province your home. Yes there’s no denying Western Province was part of Zambia until the BNC made the resolutions. By the way the BNC is the people, the people representatives…. same way MPs who make our laws are people representatives.
Now the fact that you are so keen to call WP part of Zambia, but at the same time refuse to acknowledge how Zambia was born is quite as shocking as you calling my analysis shocking. If you believe in Zambia as a country, and WP as being part of it, you might as well believe in the Barotseland Agreement of 1964; you might as well believe in the Independence of Zambia in 1964 and the preceding struggle.
Educator you can’t have it both ways – you either die or live. I’m out!
By the way I forgot to mention that I’m not a politician… never even met Ngambela Sinyinda before in my life.
Barotseland seceding or remaining part of Zambia won’t affect my life, but will affect my people, in a postive way.
I also believe that failure to even just acknowledge the BA’64 in the Constitution and/or history school books is serious flaw that disrespects the facts behind the birth of Zambia.
Educator we are all prepared to die for the cause so yout threats don’t scare anyone… problem is we are both overseas!
1. WP has Brocken away from Zambia. Myth
a) FACT: the BNC is not recognised as a legal organisation outside the BRE
b) FACT: the BFM is not recognised as a legal organisation inside or outside the BRE
c) FACT: the government is still in control of WP
d) FACT: there is no uprising of the people of WP as of to date.
e) FACT: Sinyinda is in hiding.Â
d) FACT: the only person capable of issuing a statement on the issues about the union is the Litunga.Â
Educator, I like your FACTS… I guess there’s no need for me for you to panic then.
By the way it doesn’t matter whether BNC is recognised outside Barotseland. They don’t seek legitimacy outside; the only letigimacy they require is that from the people of Barotseland.
I would you like you debunk the legitimacy ‘myth’ of Barotseland of 1964 as well.
6. Other regions will emulate Barotseland and make similar demands Myth
a. FACT: Other regions don’t have an Agreement they entered into with Nothern Rhodesia. So what legitimacy are they going to base their supposed similar demands on? They were and they are part of N/Rhodesia and subsequently Zambia.
b. FACT: Only two autonomous nations entered into a political pact: Barotseland and Northern Rhodesia. Remember how a political pact between PF and UPND died and they both went separate ways? Well, albeit bad example, but this is exactly how this pact is unfolding too.
7. Responding to these Myths and FACTS:a. Please use mature and intellectual arguments to ‘debunk’ my ‘FACTS’… articulate as much you could and no insults please.
YAPONA BOMBAS BASAKENI NEMENO AYABOLA, HE, HE HEE, UKWA THOUGHT HE CAN USE GOVERNMENT MACHINERY TO CHEAT, JUS CONCTRATE ON YOUR DEAD CHITIMUKULU . LEAVE BA IT IS NO LONGER YOUR COURY, THEY ARE YOUR NEIGHBOURS
The BRE resolution are for mongu residents…nothing to do with the rest of zambia…so this Ngambela ***** must stop making noise… we have more important issues of national interest to debate…not some selffish lozis tribal myopic views…
@Jigga, you think by blogging you can mobilise or insight disciplined soldiers to go rogue and follow a loud mouthed Sinyinda who is despising the Litunga by calling him useless. Mobilising a military revolt takes more resources than soldiers picking their guns and say we will defend Sinyinda. What does Sinyinda or the chaps in the BFM have which can sustain an uprising. Very soon we shall all start protesting against the tardy and laggard behaviour of the government to arrest Sinyinda and his minions. We can start protests against the leadership of Litunga stating he has failed to rule his chiefdom.
Educator, go ahead and protest the Litunga’s reign… that monarchy has been around for centuries and has withstood the test of time. Only Lozis can put someone to the throne and only they can dethrone him.
Anyhow good luck with that… your rants are probably too big for me to comprehend.
Gideon
I speak Bemba because I was born on the copperbelt,I speak a bit of chiTonga, Lozi and Kaonde because my neibours were from different parts of Zambia.That is how we were borught up on the copperbelt.Even tho Iam not Bemba it was spoken on th CB.Now apart from English I speak French,and some German.
I thought the BNC can come up with resolutions of, we want 10boarding sec schools, 100 clinics, 3hospitals, 1000km of tar-road, 1000km of graded road, 150police posts, 50 primary schools, new marktes in all towns, etc. The techocrats of western pr have intelligence with no common sense. Besides this BA64 complaint is just about Bembas in power. Look at how they voted for MMD MPs who were in the party that killed them! This battle is about Lozis and Bembas in leadership not the secetion crap.
president sata, delays in acting creates alots of impatience, give the nation direction on western province and be firm as we know you,This crap is getting boring.viva zed.
why do you start things you can not finish. Michael is waiting for the first person to put beacons. the he will deal with him.
The Pf Government and President Sata must act before it is too late.President Sata has the mandate to protect the lives of Zambians and property which we have worked for since time memorial.This chat Sinyinda must be arrested at once and put in Chimbokaila prison because he has committed treason.All the people supporting the treasonable conduct must be jailed at once in order to maintain peace in the country.
The sponsors of the so called BNC must be investigated and the culprits brought to book and charged the the Authorities. We do not need to waste anymore time because Sinyinda and friends are serious with their announcements.
Dollar