Tuesday, April 16, 2024

UPND denies link to death of PF cadre, HH will avail himself before the police

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United Party for National Development vice preswident Richard Kapita
United Party for National Development vice president Richard Kapita

The opposition United Party for National Development (UPND) says the ruling Patriotic Front should find a more appropriate way of selling itself instead of implicating the opposition party in the death of a PF member in Livingstone last night.

Police in Livingstone yesterday arrested Mazabuka central Member of Parliament Garry Nkombo, Kalomo central parliamentarian Request Muntanga and other party officials in connection with the death of the PF cadre.

UPND Vice President Richard Kapita says the party is not even aware of the death of the PF member.

Mr. Kapita says the police should clearly explain the main reason why its campaign team was arrested because no information has since been availed for their arrest.

Speaking at a media briefing at the party secretariat this morning, Mr. Kapita has since accused the ruling Patriotic Front of working to decapitate the UPND’s campaign team in Livingstone.

Meanwhile Mr. Kapita says UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema is not a coward to run away from anything.

He says Mr. Hakainde is today likely to avail himself before the police to find out what he is being wanted for.

And party deputy Spokesperson Cornelius Mweetwa, who was also in Livingstone says it is unfortunate that the ruling Patriotic Front is exhibiting sign of desperation by blaming the UPND of being responsible for the deaths of their cadres.

Mr. Mweetwa says the UPND is aware that the PF is contemplating to charge the arrested officials with murder but states that no amount of intimidation will stop the party from winning the seat.

QFM

106 COMMENTS

    • PF is frustrated!!!!
      Any cadres they hire have no power, just get beaten. PF is just good at talking and insulting… their boss other day called Women in Luanshya ati they look dirty like finkubala. Good I wasn’t there, ngaliumapo umo.

    • Viva HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH and viva UPND, UPND, UPND, UPND,
      Away with PF, away with PF, Down with Sata, down with Sata.
      These weak hooligans should be shown where they belong and the diserable places for them are cheap coffins.
      Sata bought them the banned tujilitujilili in large quantities from small traders in the northern provinces. These reports are a pack of laughable malicious concoctions.
      The slanderers (PF) are not really ashamed of their unintelligent schemes which always work against the intended results. This particular paradox has not served its imagined unfair gains in these bye-elections, shame, Sata and his donkeys.
      This is a typical paradigm for innocent UPND officials to refute these PF baseless allegations. Keep it up UPND and, the UPND leadership is on top of events

    • They Mansons who feast on people’s blood. They are now celebrating that so far they have killed 3 people. One in Luangwa and 2 in livingstone. What a killer party is UPND.

    • Vampires! Yu just yap nonsense on internet yet you got beaten into 3rd place by an uneducated former cop!
      What good is your education then
      Atase ba Konto (lice)

  1. we can’t allow this type of behaviour in our beloved country zambia, mr president i have comfidence in you, our gallant police officers, the judicialy, please carpet these thugs, let them rot in jail to save mother zambia. peace is costly to gain wen it is lost.

    • our peace is more important than a few selfish tribalists….please lock them up. they can’t even show remorse towards a dead person….we are alive to the fact that they are free masons though….war naba nani? if they cause anarchy in the tourist capital, policemen & women i am instructing you in the name of the president to shoot to cripple. kupusa bati bamuchinda ng’ombe – mutivute!

    • Sata has disapointed many of us. Pf r so desperate 4 dis l’stone seat, i suspect thoz of u praising him don’t live in zambia.

  2. The voice of reason has said! Indeed, Pathetic faillures(PF) are desperate. PF can never be trusted, their dont kubeba slogan at work. I will wait until Zambia is governed by a sober minded man.

    • But not by killing others! For sure you can cry the loudest if your own UPND member was killed that way. There must a point where you can say something is not good. The dead person had a future just like you and you cohorts have taken him away. Do you sanction tit for tat and you can’t be happy if the same is done to one of your grouping. This kind of politics is no longer good. We need all of us in Zambia. Kenya went through a very terrible time that you cannot wish to happen in Zambia. Avoid that and do not put petrol on fire with your writings.

    • You dont go to other peoples homes throwing missiles at them. The hired thug lived by violence and has died by violence. It doesnt matter who gets killed ; be it UPND, PF, NAREP, MMD, etc. These thugs should all know that when they invest in violence they will reap what comes their way even death! Just tell your political lords to stop this lunacy. Only a fo.ol will expect to live when his ways are violent! Stop throwing missiles at others!

    • kci, actually if the UPND ever got in power, we would only remove them in a civil war because these chaps and there so called Mapatizya formula are ruthless. Everytime they promise to use this formula then blood is shed! ABASH SATANIC BRUTALITY! ABASH!

    • If you know that UPND are violent why do you always go to provoke them at their gatherings? Seems you are always looking for trouble. Keep to your own rallies and meetings. Stop behaving like the thieving monkeys around Livingstone. I have no sympathy for !diots who go throwing missiles at people who have done nothing to them. Dont go asking for trouble. Tell your PF govt that the power they have is a mirage. It could go up in smoke any time.

    • Look what the educated UPND cadre can vomit. Thats why you will not be voted in coz you cant think. You say killing a person is the way to go?? What if you came in power , how many people are you going to kill? Coz of this I can assure you that UPND will remain in opposition. You believe in killing and shading blood. Dull UPND you are…shaaa.

    • First and for most we didnt kill an innocent being secondly the killing was in self defence thirdly the way to go is a supportive statement on what HH is about to do which is going to the police station because he is not a coward. as for you Floyd which Statement is making you feel sorry is it the way to go or show them that you are not a coward? UPND for Life

    • beckytek, it doesn’t matter if you are UPND for life, but you should have enough human empathy to realise that killing another person even in self defence is extremely violent, such that even trained personnel like police and soldiers go through counselling if they kill a human being. For you as long as this fellow was killed in self defence despite he himself didn’t kill, then it is good with your soul, i.e. if you have one. I assure you that all your life you will vote UPND & most Zambians, all their lives will vote against UPND as long as you carry on with the killings through the infamous Mapatizya formula. The blood of the dear departed will mourn itself, RIP my fellow Zambian!

  3. Waiting for the next generation of leaders requires mountains of patience. And coffee. As for the government… not cool. You and your buddies in opposition know each other well enough to be able to talk behind the scenes and then stand on one platform taking joint responsibility for a lost life and ALL show leadership. Ha. Naive me.

    In my fictional political action thriller none of you politicians behave like you would cross the dirt path to help a lost child unless there was something in it for you and could do it from your high horses (smart cars) surrounded by chanting hooligans.

    In reality the next generation of true potential is probably still at school. I’m going to help them because we are damaged goods. No disrespect to all those in politics at the moment. Tainted pool.

    • Satanists!

      Its not only PF feeling your heat, its every sound minded Zambian. It doesn’t matter if they are PF, MMD, NAREP, FDD or anything. What matters is that they will be kicking ASS based on what they think. I guess the Zambians are feeling your heat and saving it for later to cook you with it.!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • So by UPND killing innocent people then Zambians are being protected from PF. What a dull thinking. You kill and you cant show any remorse…??? Who can vote for you with this ancient behaviour?? UPND has turned into a killer Part.

    • Nyati, any sober minded character must be seething with anger over the senseless loss of life in Livingstone through the UPND as a party. I don’t care whether you belong to PF, FDD, ADD Or the killing UPND! It is shameful & the Livingstone citizens MUST protest in the strongest sense by voting out UPND from their constituence. You shameful lot rejoice at the mayhem and loss of life you have caused in Livingstone? You are animals!

  4. PF and its supporters are animals whom I don’t know what they are doing in Zambia. They should just set up their own country. They are very uncivilised, uneducated, unsophisticated, unintelligent, dirty, scabby, shaggy, smelly, small-brained yellow monkeys. We need to go back to civilised ways and start where we stopped in 2011, as soon as these animals leave power in 2016.

    • So thats why civilized UPND has killed 3 people so far?? one in Luangwa and 2 in livingstone. Come 2016, with this barbaric behaviour UPND will again lose the elections. Which normal person can celebrate at killing a person the way UPND cadres are doing now?? Shame on you…you have no strategy.

    • Is that why you are killing anyone who associates with UPND? In your sociopathic minds all PF members have been dehumanised into yellow monkeys to be butchered. YOU ARE A SORRY ARSE OF A HUMAN BEING!

    • Is that why you are killing anyone who associates with PF? In your sociopathic minds all PF members have been dehumanised into yellow monkeys to be butchered. YOU ARE A SORRY ARSE OF A HUMAN BEING!

  5. UPND be very careful of the traps being set before you, retaliation in the name of self defense is not the solution they will implicate you with a tag of violence. No one will know the difference between who is violent between PF and UPND. An example is Uhuru and Ruto of Kenya facing trial at the Hague .Uhuru is accused of retaliation. It seems you are being provoked by strategy and they may use this as one of the defenses for the commonwealth.

  6. UPND please ensure that you handle situations maturely and professionally since you pride yourself as an educated party, do not lower yourselves to their levels. Present all videos and photos to international bodies .Abash violent politics which belong to the jungle and are stone age, Viva peaceful mature and progressive politics.God bless Zambia and every peaceful Zambian and political party.

  7. Facts first, a person has been killed in Livingstone and that is not under dispute. It is also not disputed that the killed person is known PF official or cadre as you call them. It is further uncontested that the PF and the UPND had scuffle last night along the Airport Road with a number of PF vehicles damaged according to reports on the ZWD.If I am involved in a fight with somene this evening and that person is found dead the same night near where we were fighting, who is the first suspect? Forget about who started the fight, that is a different issue altogether, the issue here is who should police take as first suspects??

  8. UPND are murderers,they must face the law,this is the third person now to have been killed in elections involving UPND and they haven’t come out to condemn the killings,this is very un Zambian,abash Mapatizya formula!!!

  9. The bitterness and envy is definitely getting the best of UPND. They seem to be bitter about anyone and anything to do with PF; they are overwhelmed with the consolidation of the PF in their own backyard. No wonder Monde had to just ship from such as dislusioned bunch. HH is going nowhere and now Nkombo is equally caught up in hoologanism. Anywez tribal, bitter birds of the same feathers indeed. I wish to call on progressive UPND MPs to work with the rulling PF Government and ensure that development gets to their constituencies as for HH as each day passes his politics is becoming more bitter, full of envy and joking him to madness. Viva PF, Viva Sata

    • Very true man . UPND is very bitter and frustrated. They thought they would grab MMD but MMD saw it earlier and re-strategized. Now they are confused as they know for sure that come 2016, UPND will be last again. The only thing they can do is to kill and shade blood. Shame on them.

    • SOUTHERN PROVINCE IS MORE DEVELOPED THAN LUAPULA, NORTHERN AND MUCHINGA COMBINED. SO WHAT DEVELOPMENT CAN PF BRING TO SOUTHERN PROVINCE AT THE EXPENSE OF THEIR TRIBAL LANDS. ANY MP IN UPND WHO CLAIMS PF WILL BRING DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU JOIN THEM IS BEING DECEIVED. LET THEM DEVELOP THEIR PROVINCES AND THEN COME AND CONVINCE MPS IN UPND THAT IF YOU JOIN US WE SHALL DEVELOP YOU AREA. ANYTHING ELSE IS JUST LUST TO PLUNDER RESOURCES OF SOUTHERN PROVINCE. PERIOD

  10. Very sad.They kill each other over petty things and the same politicians they fight and kill over for just ends up drinking and fornicating at parliament motel.

  11. In a fit of desperation the PF have killed their own cadre so as to put the blame on UPND. Is there any evil that these Sata…nists are incapable of committing?

    • Very dull sentiments. You have no shame to utter such nonsense. Zambians have known UPND as a killer party now. UPND has killed 3 people so far. 1 in Luangwa and 2 in Livingstone. No wonder you are underfives, this act is further distancing you from Zambians. What a dull party with no strategy at all. shaaaa.

  12. Since when in the history of Zambia since 1991 were political rallies banned during elections? It has never happened in Zambia! Only Dictator Sata & his evil ritual killer empty minded PF leaders are now on record

    If you i*d*i*o*ts Zambians think this bigot satanist Sata will stop at nothing to get his way to win elections? You are in for a rude shock!

    Even these paid up PF MORONS masquerading as bloggers here on LT will be shocked just as Ugandans realized when it was too late that IIDI AMIN was a murderer & an evil man

    Only a revolution or coup like the one General Augusto Pinochet did in Chile against Communist Allende on September 11, 1973 will save Zambians from communist Sata
    Evil Dictator Sata has no peace plan, each time he is testing how Zambians react to his evil…

    • Zambia does not need deliverance or coup action as you suggest. It is you and your UPND fellow members who are bitter and need to be delivered from that bittierness which you have towards SATA and PF. MAY GOD DELIVER YOU AND ALL UPND CARDERS WHO ARE KILLING OTHER PEOPLE

    • Which Zambians are you talking about? Only UPND and its cadres are bitter that Sata is president. The rest are happy. Just accept the fact that Sata is president until 2016. Killing people will not help your HH and UPND win elections. Infact you are pushing Zambians further away from UPND. Shame on you.

  13. well done..why should a cadres form Lusaka’s shanty compound take violence in Livingstone..its a good death..nice lesson for the maggot..PF should learn to be sincere..

    • No matter how much you hate someone, you don’t wish them death let alone rejoice when they die. May God deliver you.

    • May JEHOVAH God have pity on your dark soul! Your soul is completely lost and your emptiness is a aloud echo of your statement above. You are trully cursed!! ABASH SATANIC UPND CADRE! ABASH!

  14. Loosing one life in a must win Election for PF is an improvement to the general trend in the past, though killing cadres is not in order. Who is UNIPS candidate?

  15. They have sacrificed another of their own and are blaming the opposition again. How come it is always only PF cadres that are murdered. PF is like a woman who always claims to have been raped at each and every overnight function.

  16. Ladies and gentlemen,
    If you read through all the comments we are posting everyday, you will notice that there is so much hate towards one another.If all bloggers on LT or ZWD were given a chance to meet, i can assure you there would be more bloodshed than we seeing now in these rallies.If you go back to the history of our beloved country, you will find out that we have been fighting all along.Let us now compare what we have been figthing for then to now.Is what we are doing worth it?If it is, what would be our best approach?
    Instead of acting like toothless hyenas, i for one would prefer to tackle this probem from its grassroots.Am pretty sure you will all agree that in our zambian culture, we used to believe in extended families( very few pipo do now).

    • Hmm. I get your point but have to disagree. My family and extended family plus friends and acquaintances have opposing views or support different things. You’re likely to see more ‘bloodshed’ over football, food or the beer running out. Debate is healthy. Big difference between typing and action. There is more evidence that most outspoken keyboard warriors tend to be pretty docile in real life. Or suppressed and venting. Or just mad like me…

    • You a bigot moron! You are talking nonsense like your evil PF Dictator Sata! What grass root problem do you want to know? Sata is the only problem here!

      If Sata is taken out of State house by whatever means or revolution or a coup, Zambians will go back to their peaceful ways of living in harmony!

      Since when did you ever hear a political rally being banned in Zambia especially after 1991? Only UNIP Dictator KK used to use his emergence powers to ban political rallies but not after 1991!

      If u think this is a joke Sata will soon start killing his political opponents soon.

    • Shaka was a warrior who led the way. Will be looking out to see you get from behind the keyboard to lead this revolution that will restore perceived harmony. Coups tend to be messy and am not sure it is welcome on the ground. I hear they lined the streets of Lusaka all the way to the courthouse to say ‘goodbye’ to the last Prez after peacefully ejecting him…

    • A Phiri ana bwe, you are sweetily mad! Real madness and callous lies with Shaka Oz, who is a UPND cadre and is fully aware that his/her man HH will never be voted into state house by a popular vote, hence instigating a coup or revolution. Who will carry out this monstrosity? Is it you Shaka Oz on an ox-cart? This kind of lunacy must be condemned in the strongest sense and all Zambians must be wary of a political party that has mercenaries for supporters! ATASE FYOLAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    • Your Hubby, you have hit it on the head. Your blog is the most sensible I have read on this topic. What a christian nation we have become, shame on us Zambians! Can all non- residents of L/stone vacate. You have campaigned us violently. Leave us in peace. We have heard your selfish hate messages. Give us a break to think so as to come and vote wisely and peacefully. Our city is non-violent. Where has violence come from? Certainly from non-L/stonians. Leave us alone with our peaceful local political leaders from all parties we will manage this election peacefully. God already knows the winner, while we are hating, hurting and killing each other.

    • Be warned. Innocent Chimfutumba is a charlatan and a planted mole called Zimbwi. Like a deranged vulture he uses other aliases to prey on people’s character. He is all over the Internet sniffing out stories and writing gibberish about people and issues he hardly understands. Google his name and you’ll see what I mean. I have compiled his texts in both the “LT and ZWD. At times he wears the hat of a skunk, spraying his terrible malodorous smell. He claims to be learned. Read all his comments (How I wish I could display them). He’s a moron who writes in colloquial English—semi-literate style. Learned bloggers write well even in haste. His writing is best described by one blogger: “so many words with no sense.” His punctuation is terrible and typos aplenty.

  17. Zambians you need to work up!

    Very soon even people like PF Wynter Kabimba will be start disappearing just like Idi Amin killed his ministers because he was insecure. Sata fits in IDI AMIN’s inferiority complex characteristics

    Zambians please! Just see how Sata is treating PF trusted member Given Lubinda? This is how Sata is? He is an evil sadistic person who has no emotions at all unless when he want to get what he wants he can massage egos of people like Nchito & Mmembe who wants to satisfy their bellies like Judas escariot

    Sata is mistreating Lubinda because he wants to prepare his son Mulenga for the presidency, even Kabimba wont stand in the way of Mulenga!

    Zambians please wakee uuupppp from slumber! Dicator Sata & PF leaders does not mean well against u fellow…

    • Very dull hallucination after murdering a person. Sata got to state house by a vote, thus he should go by a vote as well. Not those devilish rantings you are vomiting. Shame on you.

    • Shaka Oz, you are a miserable pityfull loser! Your hallucination and raving madness will only earn you a multitude of critics than sympathy. Your comparing HEMCS to Idi Amin shows how disoriented you are in your hatred of this man. He may not be perfect, but he is definately not a monster and if you Shaka Oz try to portray him as one, you will be the monster! Watch what you wish other people, for it may happen to you. I for one have concluded that you truly and surely deserve all the scorn pertaining to this particular blog. Quit being a mercenary and you may earn some sympathy.

  18. cont’d
    This is one of the reasons why we are experiencing such violence.We have abandoned what we are suposed to pride in the most to the outside world and that is love.We are suposed to be the only people in this world who are born with several mothers, several fathers, plenty sisters and brothers and no uncles or aunties even cousins.
    Come on guys its never too let….

  19. If Zambians were to hear & see how the Zambia Intelligence Unit Special Division is being used by Sata against the very Zambians they are suppose to protect! Zambians will be shocked

    Zambia has gone back to the UNIP Kaunda Dictatorship type where Special Branch intelligence officers were used against Zambians even to kill them

    UNIP Dictator KK even sponsored violence like the one PF started in Livingstone in the 1960 & early 70s so that he can ban political parties like African National Congress & United Progressive Party & tortured Great Political leaders like Kapwepwe & Nalumino Mundia

    When Zambians woke up in the 1980s Zambia was already destroyed, we didn’t listen to Kapwepwe & Mundia

    Am surprised DPP Nchito is supporting this nonsense! Zambians are seeing his true colors

  20. The cadre who died in Rufunsa came from Lusaka, i understand this one was also from Lusaka. People refuse to be used as campaign tools please!

  21. That is the Mapatizya Formula + Don’t kutina that is manifesting now! Why kill your friend just over politics! dirt politics at work!!!!!!

  22. Dont even listen to these blood thirsty people. They celebrate whenever a person is killed in violence. So far UPND has killed three people. One in Luangwa and 2 in livingstone. What a dull and stu.pidy way of intimidating a political opponent. Is this the MAIPATZYA FOMULAR UPND talked about? UPND now has turned into a killer party, what nonsense. Just coz of one person going to parliament I kill innocent person??? why why UPND…shading blood??? Why??

    Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia.

  23. Its like most upnd supporters are very satisfied with the loss of life in livingstone and this makes very sad reading! A few days ago these are the same idiets who have been crying that their rights are being trampled upon but if they trample on the rights of other people, its ok!
    Bane be advised that we are on the ground and every one who had a hand in the death of that zambian will definately have his balls bruised! Enough is enough and if you want go to UN and report that ala twaponoka mu Zambia! We shall leave no stone unturned until justice prevails! Mwatumpa sana misula yenu!

  24. The chap HH finally connered! He was fished out from a toilet of a named lodge where he was hiding! For the information of bood thirsty upnd idiets, the charge of murder is non bailable! Start making a duty rosta of taking food to your useless idietic leaders!

  25. It is strange that UPND which labelled PF as a Kaponya party is so violent. Its like bakolwe ukusekana ifipato. UPND is jus as Kaponya as PF. Shame on you both and I am gland I am not there to witness such nonsense.

  26. Bitterness is getting in their way they know that slowly they are losing it by even losing MPs through firing Mwapya bang`ombe ilede mulchimona !

    • Ka HH Has never even been debate person in secondary sch not to talk about ward councilor , what makes you UPND Cadres that he can make a good president?
      The Kaguy has no smile due to his bitterness on loses

  27. This is terrible indeed. But this must be a lesson to all young people that they must not be used by these politicians. Remember old men start wars and young people die in the fronline. in this case the policians start the fight and the poor followers die.

  28. UPND IS NOW SHOWING ITS TRUE NATURE. A BLOOD-SHEDDING PARTY. THEY WERE CLAIMING TO BE MORE EDUCATED THAN UPND BUT NOW WE SEE, THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY QUICK TO HACK HUMAN BEINGS TO DEATH. THIS IS BARBARIC. WHAT TYPE OF EDUCATED PEOPLE ARE THESE WHO HAVE NO RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE. THIS TOO MUST BE BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE C/W. THIS IS LIKE CARNAGE. TWO LIVES LOST ALREADY IN L/STONE BECAUSE OF UPND BRUTALITY BEFORE THE BYE-ELECTION.

    • Whenever the UPND mention MAPATIZYA, just be ready that they will shade blood. Let , the UPND chaps involved in this murder be made accountable, maybe within their party they will learn a lesson when some of them receive life sentences for murder! I really think UPND are truly violent. Why is it not MMD crashing with PF, it is always UPND, WHY? Previously in MAPATIZYA it was UPND crashing with then ruling party MMD, now they are at it again massacring PF members! ABASH UPND VIOLENCE! ABASH! RIP dear departed fellow Zambian!

  29. Gentilemen and Ladies no one puts themselves in leadership. God allowed Sata to be president and we do not know who will be the next president. It could be HH who knows. It is not by chioce that he was born tonga neither is it mine. Yes right now he is very popular in Southern just as Sata is popular in Northern and other provinces. It is posible that he will be popular in other provinces. Please do not make us who voted for Sata despite being from southern province turn our backs because we can. Stop this talk about HH and tonga support. We are everywhere mind you.

  30. JUST SQUEEZE THE BALLS FOR THE KAMA CHAP, CALLED hh. THEN HE WILL START BEHAVING. ALL THROW HIM MUMIBULU SO THAT THEY A KANSATU PERIOD. AZALEKA

  31. Ladies and gentlemen, Did you know that the fart from a cow is more potent than dobo. Us guys can do anything after ukuchema in’gombe. Do you wonder why our boy keeps 90,000 of them Hahahahaha

  32. PF is a bunch of apes and losers. Whoever did it, next time do Charity Katanga and Jere. Good self defence! Let them have a taste of their own medicine.

  33. Now the Police have been vindicated to cancel these evil rallies.To focus on prize is greed and this is what HH is doing Do not force your way to state house Zambians are not foolish they don’t want evil people Sata in opposition never advocated for violence no wonder the Lord allowed Zambians to vote for him.

    People of Livingstone vote with peace of mind chose a leader not based on tribal of regional popularity you wil reap what you are sowing.

  34. Based on the experience gained in the Rufunsa saga, as narrated by Police then, we strongly believe that PF have sacrified another of their own useless cadre to implicate UPND. Just imagine the weird assembly of esastablished crooks, sourced from diversity of legal political and financial disciplines, to constitute a ruthless govt. Even more strange that a notable High Court Judge in the name of Lombe Chibesakunda joining the camp of oppressors through her aspiration to cling to the higest Judiciary post inspite of well-documented old age.

  35. Looking at the way you people are behaving here online is what is happening in the country put your heads together and reflect and see the wrong going on and be objectively this is your country not a tribe thing.

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