Speaker of the National Assembly Patrick Matibini yesterday said Parliament is an autonomous institution which has unique freedom to debate and deal with own internal matters independently.
Dr Matibini said under the separation of powers, Parliament is given freedom to debate matters and does not get orders from any institutions hence the House was free to observe its own rules and procedures.
This was in his ruling to a point of order raised by UPND Monze Member of Parliament (MP) Jack Mwiimbu regarding the removal of legal immunity of former President Rupiah Banda.
This was shortly after Clerk of the National Assembly Doris Mwinga read the order of the day in which Justice Minister Wynter Kabimba was to present to the House the motion of removing legal immunity of Mr Banda.
But Mr Mwiimbu, asked Dr Matibini for guidance because the motion at hand was a subject of a court injunction which was served to the Clerk of the National Assembly on Thursday afternoon.
He said on various foras, Dr Matibini categorically stated that no matter before the Courts of Law should be discussed in Parliament.
“The Office of the Speaker said once a matter is in court, your hands are tied and can’t do anything until such matter is resolved in court.
“When the matter is before High or Supreme Court, we shouldn’t discuss it,” Mr Mwiimbu said.
He said the motion to remove Mr Banda’s immunity was taken to court and wondered what powers MPs had to debate over the motion.
“The motion being discussed is a subject of litigation and we feel we shall not be in a position to debate the matter since it’s before the court,” he said.
He argued that members found it hard to debate on the motion before the courts.
But Dr Matibini explained that Parliament was an independent institution and does not get orders from any other institution hence was free to observe its own rules and procedures.
He said the court documents served to the Clerk of National Assembly could not apply to the House because it currently enjoyed freedom to determine its own matters in the spirit of separation of powers through its Standing Orders.
Dr Matibini said Parliament had its own internal proceedings which were not amenable to any court of law and it was at this point that he called upon Mr Kabimba to move the motion.
At this point, several opposition MPs raised on points of order wanting to get more clarifications from Dr Matibini arguing that they could not debate the matter before the court and that the motion should have been brought to the House by the Head of State.
After a lengthy argument, Dr Matibini suspended the House for 15 minutes for consultations but the period clocked over an hour and when he came back, he told the members that his position was that the motion should be tabled in view of his earlier explanation.
He said a number of opposition MPs who have been expelled from their parties were currently still in the House because he had guided that the matters could only be determined after the courts had discharged them.
MMD Chembe MP Mwansa Mbulakulima and his Nalikwanda counterpart Geoffrey Lungwangwa disputed Dr Matibini’s ruling in their points of order.
MMD Sinda MP Levy Ngoma said the members had been abused by the Office of the Speaker and after that they all walked out of the House.
After continually pressing for further explanations from Dr Matibini, the MPs around 17:07 hours walked out of the House leaving almost all their seats empty to the surprise of their PF counterparts.
They assembled within the main passage of the House and held a caucus meeting.
Security officers from the National Assembly also sealed off all doors and could not allow anybody to walk out of the premises.
A heavy presence of armed police officers in full riot gear also came to Parliament gates as some of Mr Banda’s sympathisers attempted to break the National Assembly gate.
Earlier, UPND Kalomo MP Request Muntanga rose on a point of order on why there was a heavy presence of paramilitary which he said were intimidating the law makers.
In his ruling, Dr Matibini said the measures were constituted because of reports that some cadres had wanted to come to Parliament to create confusion in view of Mr Banda’s immunity motion.
“Obstruction is not the best thing we should do and I think I am being very diplomatic and this is an august House and we need to respect the dignity of this House,” The Speaker said in reference to opposition MPs who kept on raising obstructing ZNBC cameras.
Dr Matibini later allowed Mr Kabimba to move the motion in the House and later when the motion went to a vote, opposition MPs who were recently appointed to ministerial positions voted with the ruling party for the motion.
Parliament has lost respect because of members’ behavior. All those toddler walk out tantrums you do dont go unnoticed. Shut up and start working
It is the Speaker Patrick Matibini who is manipulating the laws of parliament to suit the desires of PF and Bwinjimfumu. No sane MP would sit there when the integrity of parliament is being soiled like that by the very person who is supposed to protect it. Very soon, anarchy will reign supreme in our parliament. Matibini should realise that he has the challenge of fitting into the shoes of his predecessor Amusa Mwanamwambwa.
Bondiki, if people ask for guidance from the speaker, they should accept the advice they get. It is childish to ask for guidance and then throw tantrums when you do not get the answer you wanted.
it feels like the country is reborn,
We have set a very good precedent on presidential immunity that will make any president think of the consequences of abuse of their office.
We are categorical and resolved on this one that will spare no one who abuses their authority.
This is a non-partisan approach. we have been abused for far too long!!
This gives RB an opportunity to clear his name and hope he doesn’t run away like his son Henry
The oppositions Mp`s should now realize that walking out of parliament when they disagree on issues is a foolish thing to do.Nobody solved anything by burying his or her head in the sand…politicians in Zambia lack maturity too i hate how they vote on party lines and not on principle and self philosophy.This could be seen from Pf mp`s all voting for and opposition Mp`s against the motion.The opposition mp`s who have been co-opted into PF government also shows how they have been compromised.Good work though…let Banda dance to the tune.He has nothing to worry about if his hands are clean.I like this.
THE OPPOSITION DUPED RB! THEY PURPOSELY CHEWED HIS MONEY AND EVEN FOLLOWED HIM TO S.A. TO COMPLAIN BUT WHEN TIME CAME TO DELIVER IN PARLIAMENT THEY THREW A FAKE TANTRUM AND THEN WALKED OUT SO THAT THEY DON’T GO ON RECORD AS VOTING TO KEEP HIS IMMUNITY
Good one my Nubian Princess! I think we should now advocate for loss of pay when they walk out. Cheeky so and so’s.
IMPEACHMENT….IMPEACH Matibini for grossly contradicting his own rulings, misleading the house and Contempt, contempt contempt of court. Matibini must go!!! This lack of respect for the Courts and breaking of the law by PF &Mmembe’s engineering with impunity is nauseating!!
Is Matibini ,Speaker a genuine lawyer??? Has Matibini got ethical and principled mind ?? Is his Doctorate from matero???, surely his Arguments &ruling for not respecting the judiciary or our courts leaves much to be desired- Was he once a judge, My foot, What a Zambian speaker!!! Matibini has behaved like a headless chicken, no integrity left he must resign!!
This lawlessness by PF government engineered by Fred Mmembe is putting Zambia at serious crossroads? This impunity being championed my Fred Mmembe.!!
Wapya chi Matibini
I don’t understand what is wrong with my manhood guys I only slept with Gelo 7 months ago although it was live. Nabufimba bad
Get an HIV test. The sooner you start treatment the better.
It doesn’t matter how good looking a hoo-hah looks, you have to use condoms. Goes for all you boys on here.
your imbecile.
Go to the hospital you aint gonna get answers here
Insoni iya kuya ku hospital. And also nalasile aka mwaiche I doubt nga kalilwala
Go to the hospital before the item gets rotten and drops off!!
I hope you are using protection otherwise many more will fall victim!
Solution is simple; Stop wanking!
Remove such non-sense from serious blogs !! Maybe limbi takeema no kwima !!!
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.In other words what you’re tellin us is that you have your own kangaroo court of childish,ill educated and vengeful villagers untrained in the intricacies of jurisprudence and respect for other branches of govt?
Why are you wondering and asking “where is Ba Nostradamus”, I am not a Matibini who give guidance all the time.
Somebody was thinking that Nostradamus was perhaps Enfeebled!
WHAT IS RB HIDING IF HE IS INNOCENT AS ALLERGED. HE HAS A BUNCH OF LAWYERS INCLUDING ARMSTERDAM. LET HIM COME BEFORE THE LAW AND TELL US HIS SIDE OF THE STORY. WHEN HE WAS GIVEN CHANCE HE REFUSED. WHY DOES HE WANT US TO HAVE OUR HANDS TIED?
Why should he when the Speaker doesnt respect the same law?
Mob justice knows no legal nuances .Whoever is baying for your blood to does as he pleases,no guarantee of fair hearing and the accuser is not bound by the same laws.
if i were RB i would never return to Zambia.
THE hour has come for bewzani, the only thing he can do is just fake sickness in order to prolong the court proceedings or commit suicide.
Is that the usual trend?
Some people are already faking illnes as if their time is already here!
It is folly for a layman in law to pass any accurate comment regarding these matters. Our journalists also are not well anchored in specialised fields to report with a professional touch. Dr Matibini was heckled, and rightly so by members of the opposition to try and make him defer the motion. The Speaker was adamant and he DREW DISTINCTIONS between cases which were being refered to. He put his foot down and this made MPs to walk out. Alas, it did not help their cause. TAKE THE SPEAKER TO COURT kanshi nga mulefwaya.
Of course this is what is going to happen. Its now a Constitutional Issue. The Supreme Court will have to rule over Matibini’s Bwinjimfumu Jurisprudence. I am quite sure by the time the Supreme Court gets to hear the case; we would be burying someone at Embassy Park. There’s a game of Poker been played by a mafia cabal that has entangled itself in criminality and they want to ‘reform’ and corrupt the institutions of governance to cover their own wrong doing. They had mapped out a method but it seems time is not on their side. The clock is ticking. And there’s a lot of panicking. My advice to them is just pay back what you owe taxpayers!
VERY TRUE MR SPEAKER. IF PARLIAMENT WAS NOT INDEPENDENT WHAT WOULD STOP ANY USELESS ZAMBIAN FROM TO STOPPING PROGRESSIVE DEBATES BY OBTAINING INJUNCTIONS? THAT JUDGE WAS CORRUPTED BY RB AND HIS AGENTS. THE ZAMBIAN JUDICIARY HAS LOST ITS RELEVANCE. GOOD MOVE, LIFE CONTINUES…NEXT PLEASE.
A Court is not corrupt simply because you dont get your way. Matibini is a tool. This case is not going anywhere. RB wont be tried. This is now a Constitutional Issue. It will work itself up from the High Court to the Supreme Court. By the time the Supreme Court gets to rule over Matibini’s Bwinjimfumu Jurisprudence Zambia will be having a state funeral. Welcome to the game of Poker!
I remember that when late Levy Mwanwasa started appointing teh rebel MP’s General Miyanda and others obtained an injunction to prevent the presdient from going ahead. Mwanawasa ignored this saying there was separation of powers and the judiciary could not tell him what to do.
indeed every1 must answerable for wrong doings and this time it’s RB but am very dissappointed with the speaker,today the speaker has said parliament is an independent institution that does not get orders from any 1 but this is the same speaker who has bn saying parliamentarian should not discuss issues that are in the courts of law, what are they trying to preach-this is the same people who have bn shielding kabimba,masebo and gbm from prosecution,this is the same people who ve set henry kapoko free,this is the same guys who are shielding mutembo,M’membe and they minions from paying back,masumba forged his certificate,namulambe stole bicycles,taima has issues,the allowed mahtani not to obey court orders
You are confusing yourself. The matter UPND Vs MP is a civil case and parliament is a THIRD PARTY to it.
Parliament is independent like Judicially, like Executive and no one can stop it from carrying out its fundamental duties. The commonwealth is a champion of this.
No one has powers to gag Parliament world over. Stop embarrassing yourself.
The speaker is a stupid useful biased *****,he makes ruling to suit his hairly black ass.
Dr you are a fool,you think PF will rule for ever?will follow you chikamba.
IMMUNITY REMOVED SEASON 2. Starring Rupiah Bwezani in place of the fallen star Frederick Chiluba. Robert Amsterdam mu nchende ka? Is he allowed to practise in Zambia? I thought he did not go to ZIALE. So in his place Sakwiba and Mvunga will stand in. Then Amsterdam may come in when court moves for a session in Singapore, kikikikiki.
It will be tricky Armsterdam is not allowed in Singapore,he was denied entry last time.I think he wanted to go and check on RB’s cookie jar.
the president should not be blind folded -he ll cry foul when his tenure comes to an end,let him be careful,we all knew how kapoko stole and the government has bn quite, indeed a country of useless leaders,i would urge MP’s to impeach the speaker.the speaker is not fair,we all know the speaker is a friend to Mutembo,M’membe and they minions and weather u like it or not things will be worse- it seems the president is bn controlled but a time ll come wen,Kabimba,Masebo,Gbm,namulambe,kapoko,M’membe,Mutembo and their minions ll be answerable
Do not show ill feelings each time certain decisions are made,your opinion is not the only solution to the problem at hand, maybe.
The GJIT has just delivered another victory for the Zambian people. The Post newspapers has earned the right to rightfully refer to RB as a thief. wow. Mr Rupiah Banda why go and open an account in Singapore were you don’t live? This doesn’t look like a geniune account but one for money laundering purposes. Mr Speaker well done for showing those useless opposition MPs who walked out that the house can still function without them. VIVA PF VIVA
Fo.o.lish me,here i was thinking only the Vatican was smoking but it turns out Dr Mabitini and his PF house of gangsters were smoking too.Oh well,strong stuff that ganja they’re smokin.
Mr speaker we now know what you stand for & whom you support
RB is not trying to hide ,the only problem is he can’t get fair prosecution ,Fred Mmembee being the leading prosecutor.
Why is the opposition always against the people of Zambia? Zambians are happy that RB will now be prosecuted for stealing their monies, but we have the useless opposition supporting RB. And how special is RB compared to Chiluba? UPND supported the removal of Chiluba’s immunity but for Banda they are refusing…..why?
This is fooliiishess on the part of UPND and thats why UPND has lost touch with Zambians.
Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia.
It wudn’t matter if 50m zambians want him in court.Its the weightiness of the evidence and fairness of the hearing that shud carry the day.
What if folks in southern U.S states were not told slavery was wrong? Majority in the south wanted slavery,mind you.
I am surprised that Matibini pull ranked the notion of the application for a court injunction by alluding to the autonomy of the House not that the injunction was not ruled on. Aren’t these double standards? Where was the sovereignty of the House when Member of Parliament Greyford Monde’s subject was raised and Matibini said that he was still waiting for a court ruling? Matibini’s level of two-facedness and duplicity is nauseating – meanwhile he has a doctorate, please do not ask me where he got it!
Some senescent people may say that resolutions have always been passed in Parliament by simple majority but that does not make it constitutional. If you mugged some people in the past and you were not imprisoned that does not make it right, it still remains a misdemeanour. We should follow…
we are waiting 4 the case 2 come 2 the courts.we shall show our powers too.
@Wiseman from the East. If, at retirement, President Sata will be found to own 100 bazookas instead of 7 rifles, 200 spacios instead of 1 cresida, to own intercontinental instead of house on Omelo Mumba, Rhodespark, to own shares in IMF and World Bank instead of Standard Chatered, then this shall a prima facie case for removal of his immunity. Why do you want to shield RB? Is he more sacred than late FTJ? The law is blind my friend. And also know that matters of public interest become an interest of the State. The people want it to be so! He is not guilt yet. You are just paranoid and hysterical. Grow up!
Galielo , you are the one that is wise not that unwise man (foolish man)from the east
Though am a lay man at law, I think the speaker has acted within the confines of our constitution. I don’t think its in order for the courts of law to grant an injunction against another autonomous organ, which is more or less at the same level with its mother body the judiciary??? Referring to MPs’ injunctions and/or court cases is an exercise in-futility coz their cases are not against parliament, but individual political parties…. I think that is the clear distinction the speaker is talking about from a lay man point of view…
I used to have trust in the speaker, but alas ve lost it. I never thought he too is a cadre. But today I know he is a number 1 cadre.
CHILUBA WAS BOTH MY TRIBESMAN AND VILLAGE MATE. WHEN MWANAWASA DRAGGED HIM BEFORE COURTS I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO LABEL LEVY AS GROSSLY UNFAIR TO THE MAN WHO MADE HIM WHAT HE LATER BECAME, THE THIRD PRESIDENT OF ZAMBIA. BUT THEN EVIDENCE OF CHILUBA’S PURCHASE OF FLATS IN LUSAKA STARTED COMING THROUGH. I COULD NOT JUST BELIEVE A PRESIDENT OF A COUNTRY COULD ENGAGE IN REAL ESTATE BUSINESS – RENTING OUT FLATS AND OFFICE SPACE! A PRESIDENT! I WITHDREW THE LITTLE SYMPATHY I HAD FOR CHILUBA. I EVEN DECLINED AN INVITATION TO ATTEND HIS FUNERAL. NOW RB GETS THIS MONEY TO SET UP MPUNDU TRUST! FOR WHAT? WHY SHOULD HIS KIDS OPEN BANK ACCOUNTS IN SINGAPORE! WHEN THEY WERE ALREADY ASSURED OF EVER LASTING PROSPERITY THROUGH THEIR DAD’S GLOBAL CONNECTIONS!
Lose capital letters childish
Sata the Head of the Executive at one said time only he was untouchable. The Head of the Judiciary has arrogantly refused to set up a tribunal or even respond to a citizen who wants public scrutiny of a Cabinet member over running of a public institution as required by law. Now the Head of the Legislature says he’s not answerable to any law outside parliament. So where are the checks and balances for which these 3 organs of Government were formed? Further, the Executive is splitting parliament by luring opposition MPs to the Executive thereby rendering them practically incapable to offer checks. The Republic is under siege. So what next?
you need to repeat civics!!!!!
Conservative, learn to respect elders. Why extend insults to Dr. Matibini when u have yo mama and Dad with the same blac hairy a…….. F…..k yo, conservative. Wanna knock u downa, Oke!!
@ Wiseman from the East, that is how it goes. You can not fluff over these serious allegations and allow impunity to take root. This is a fight against Corruption. If you are shielding RB is alleged to have been involved in pilfering, you don’t have to bury your head in the sand. Let him exonerate himself. For now count your chicks and if some are missing, prepare your arsenal to fight the predators when that time comes. But let your SHREK explain his part rather than condoning impunity by that chancer! Period.
Is Matibini trying to say that Parliament is immune to the law and above the court orders?
yes!!!!!
This so called speaker has become a proper idioooot. At least there must be consistence for God’s sake. He clearly said his hands are tied with regard to MPs expelled by UPND but have taken the matter to court so parliament can’t act. This time parliament does not get orders from any where so should over rule the same courts. What has changed within a space of days? This man has sold his integrity for a few pieces of silver an what a pity. Matibini nimbwa
Its you who is an *****, the expelled UPND MPs have taken their cases to court against their party not Parliament. The RB lawyers want an injunction against Parly which is an independent arm of government under the doctrine of separation of powers. Do not comment on things you do not understand.
The speaker has in the most simplest and clear language put it that parley has its own internal rules as regard to which motion to table and which not to table.
The house enjoys freedom of expression to debate what is before the house without being cited for libel. I therefore strongly support the view that parley can not be receiving orders from any institution on what to debate on and what not to debate on.
Parliament can not agree to execute a matter before the courts of law.MPs expelled from parties filed for injuction and they still enjoy privilleges as an mp.The Immunity case is before the courts of law,where does Parley gets the mandate to execute a matter before the court?this is why opposition feel abused,oppressed and undermined coz the speaker is somewat biased.pressure from Bwijimfumu….so Kabimba another motion to retrieve the K14b for DBZ.we need culprits brot to the wrath..that will show justice.
Those Mp’s should be having evening Civics lessons!!!!! You can’t be a member of an institution & not know the rules that govern you!! They have just found out how useless they are by failing to exercise their vote in parly!! You don’t just shout & use your hooves, TRY USING SOME BRAINS!!!!!
RB called for this to knock on his door, he knew very well how dirty he had been, why didnt he just lay low? greedy men indeed! He got involved with that under five chap na pastor wabufi, he then added salt to the wound by engaging that stinking criminal loud mouthed lawyer, days are numbered mwebantu, learn to be humble, had he just been meek and plead with us whom he stole from, we could have felt something for him, maybe we could have even asked bakateka for forgiveness on his behalf, now i know why he cried when he lost, he saw this day coming, which makes him even more silly cos then he could have played his cards well, how can you play King Cobra king of the game? Sad indeed!
Am disappointed with my government
Ha! what do they teach in our schools these days? Saki and co made a blunder, they should have gone to court asking for an injunction to stop Kabimba from presenting the motion. The high court judge should know better that he has no jurisdiction over what parliament debates. I am a layman at law but there are basics that you learn through reading widely. I think people here are mistaking parliament for government and/or the executive. A court of law has now power to prosecute a sitting president but parliament has power to bring a case against a sitting president. Thats how powerful parliament can be but obviously our MPs have never had balls to bring any cases against a sitting president. So unfortunately the speaker is right in this instance. RB’s own doing he had a chance.
Contempt, contempt contempt Mr Matibini!!! This lack of respect for the Courts and breaking of the law by PF &Mmembe’s engineering with impunity is stunning!!
Is Matibini ,Speaker a genuine lawyer??? Has Matibini got ethical mind ?? Is his Doctorate from matero???, surely his Arguments for not respecting the judiciary or our courts leaves much to be desired- was he once a judge? My foot, What a Zambian speaker!!!…his integrity today has been stripped stark naked ..matibini the naked both in intent and in mind…So much for a Dr in Law who can’t respect his own courts with so deep contempt of court and the judicial process..very disappointing useless matibini!!
So much for a Dr in Law who can’t respect his own courts with so much contempt of court and the judicial process.
There is no contempt, just accept you ignorant fool. RB is is not yet guilty, he will be tried in the courts of law. You are just jealousy of this high standing well qualified lawyer (Speaker).
@Yami vision 2030 you sound too dull, you seem not to understand the fuctions 3 arms of government Judiciary, Legislature and executive. Go back to grade 9 and study civics.
The point here It’s not whether or not the 3arms of government should not be independent but the inconsistency and contradictions on Matibini(speaker’) rulings. Justice is guided by precedence and consistency. If Matibini can contradict his own rulings on matters before the Courts, where is the integrity and vote of confidence in the office of the speaker? (expelled MPS and immunity injunction). He is misleading the house when it comes to matters before the Courts!!….. He must be impeached!!! Even his own conscience knows ,on these contradictions he’s soiled himself under Mmembe’s call instructions. Useful tool….
@YAMI VISION2030+, there are no inconsistences here; the matters you are refering to are MP X vs Political Party Y in court. This particular matter is RB vs Parly where RB wants the court to stop parly from performing one of its fundamental function. I think his Lawyers already know the outcome but they just want to chew his gludders.
Very interesting to read comments from all angles: from ignorance point of view as well as from expert point of view! Any person who has studied constitutional law will realise that the three arms of govertnment, that, is the Executive, the Judiciary and the Legislature are independent, though each arm can check the operations of each other under the concept of checks and balances! However, this can only be done if the other arm does something which is ultra vires or unconstitutional! The judiciary though they allowed the injuction knew that it was an exercise in futility! What parliament did was within its soveregnty and above all was within the parameters of our constitution! Moreover, Article 43(3) does not specify whether its simple majority or 2/3 majority to stripe immunity!
Well explained Mr speker, i think Oppostion MP’s are such a disappointment to RB if only they stayed and voted against the removal of RB immunity this could have been a bye-gone story and not even to debate on it, unfortunately they allowed PF MP’s sparnking RB on his face and now they are crying fool for failing to do their job in parliament.While if RB is clean let him now clear his name, he is not guilty yet he is just been given a chance to tell the nation what deals he was involved in and his family and the court will determine his fate period.
Some Zambians are worse that the colonialists.Especially these so called learned .Why defend evil.Just becoz u went to some law school u think even those of us that did not go there cannot tell wat is wrong.Sily lawyer way of handling issues.
I would like to know the name of the Judge that granted an injunction.There is a presedence upto the Suspreme court that parliament sets its own procedures and rules as explained by Matibini.If you look at RB’s petition,he is trying to set his own rules for his immunity lifting.He wants courts to help him achieve this,I mean corrupt judges
This Matibini is biased and rotthen to the core.I remember him or his deputy issuing a point of order to a UPND MP not to discuss a matter that is before the courts.What precedent is he setting by directing that parliament can table a matter which is a subject of the court procceding?
This Matibini is biased and rotten to the core.I remember him or his deputy issuing a point of order to a UPND MP not to discuss a matter that is before the courts.What precedent is he setting by directing that parliament can table a matter which is a subject of the court procceding?How does he change when when common sense suggests he is pleasing his masters.Is he paid by tax payers to please Wynter and UKWA
opposition mps are being mislead by their party president. The walk outs will make them unpopular with the voters. They may not come back.
You wish!
Well done Matibini. You are a speaker and judge . Great mind.
Partisan Mind! Worst speaker ever!
Chi Matibini chakali……..chalibelenga law!!! Ba Saki mwachepa!!!!
I have great respect for Matibini. He is a level headed judge and Speaker. Welldone Mr Speaker Sir!
I will elect not to dwell on the snub the speaker has graciously extended to the Judicial arm of Government on this issue. Rather let me highlight on the voting pattern exhibited by opposition MPs who are Deputy Ministers. This means these gentlemen will from now on vote with government no matter the motion, in the spirit of collective responsibility. Not in line with philosophies of their respective parties. So this is what it means ” to work with government”. We are headed for trouble. If this is a partisan joke, then call me stolid.
THESE ARE ARMSTERDAM’S KIND OF CLIENTS.
@ Truth Hates 16, you are right. Just why, ba opposition, Ala Bee lost elections because most Zambian thought he and his were corrupt.
upnd, you are doomed to fail, if not failed already. ba dora shilili, ba chisusu was laughing like a dog without a tail, on video of parliament. ke ke
The opposition has always amaze me with theirs antics. Their main preoccupation is to make the current govt to fail but every time they make stupid moves they blame others. RB has been let down they knew that walking out was the best solution not vote as their constituency will show them who is the boss. They have eaten RB ‘s money and damped him in the hour of needy
Ok HH openly compared Ruphia to a monkey in maize field and that he was corrupt to the bone this was reported in ZWD even the post carried out the same story. Now what has changed that HH wants to protect him now? No wonder people question his calibre and political reasoning. As few now refer HH as hungry hyena for plot one. Sata was once deceived by Chiluba that he was innocent and levy was targeting him.it took mwanawasa to call Sata to state house and evidence was presented to him and that was a game changer for Sata and Chiluba
My name is Zambia, i die everyday,when i see the sons and daughters of my soil fight about power and control. when will you my children wake up and fight for me,our enemies are not within us but out there. our enemy has got no face,yet they attack us and we dont even see where these attacks come from. You,the sons and daughters of my soil are one people,you all come from me. stop this fighting and build love amongst yourselves. i have little life left in me,everyday big machines make big hole in me and i bleed. i have little left to give. use whatever i give out for the benefit of yourselves and posterity. cry my beloved country http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgGI_3kTE48
You make me laugh, RB won’t receive fair judgement here. But why did he steal here where he knew no fair judgement will be done, why didn’t he steal from where he knows fair judgement is done like SA where Amsterdam is.
I get amazed at the analysis here. Do you guys know the powers the parliament has been granted by the Constitution itself? The Parley is the only body in the Zambian Law that can remove the sitting President from State House. Forget about the Supreme court, whose job is barely to enforce and interpret the laws as they come from the Parley. Note that the constitution on which the Supreme Court rely on is also a whole bunch of laws coming from the Parley. They have the powers to repeal these laws and the Supreme Court has to adjust accordingly in the way they deal with cases coming before them.
Of course the outcome may not be what all of us wanted but the procedure is right and correct as expounded by the Speaker.
Zedian MPs amaze me. I’m surprised they expected the court’s help…
The opposition MPs should have tood their grounds in the Parley and vote against the motion and not to walk away. They should have done more home work days before the parley sat by lobbying their fellow MPs. This is how it works. You do not walk out. That is cowardice. What is wrong with Zedian MPs. They dont even know why they are in the Parley. The Speaker is right. He was slated by PF but he was hired by the Parley itself. This means no one but the Parley can fire him. Not even SATA can fire him without the agreement of the Parley itself. You see how powerful the house is.?
The Parley is so powerful that it can only regulate itself. if you dont send levelheaded MPs, they are bound to abuse these powers and bring chaos in the country they way MMD tried to pass that fake constitution.
My fellow Zedians, please try to have long term memory. Have you forgotten how the country was managed during the MMD reign?
I know you and I are peace loving and we always have a heart for someone with troubles. We do not smile at someone’s tribulations and we are always moved to help the suffering person. This personality is good. It is the same personality that moved us to remove MMD from Power. Have you forgotten the ululations you sang throughout the night when news came that MMD was out? There are things that were obviously not good about the previous government. Let the courts work on them and if our perceptions are wrong, the courts have got to do the job. Chiluba admitted that the money that was in the Government account was his and that is why he used it. How can that be?
Chiluba agreed to that. He bought untold number of designer shoes. He wasted Tax payer’s money.How could he put his personal money into the government account? You see these tale-tale signs. He was even convicted by the London judgment. But MMD did some tricks and freed him. You see?
Rupiah’s ministers buried K2 billion kwacha and he was even arguing that he had not broken the law. How can a Minister bury the money that he had worked for it? It simply means it was stolen money and nothing else. This could be just iceburg. Imagine what happened that we dont know. If we allow this to go under the carpet, we are rewarding badness. We Zedians must demonstrate that no politician, whether a president or not will take us for a ride anymore. We need honesty leaders to help us develop the…
If there is a perceived misinterpretation of some line in the constitution by the courts of law, it is only the parley that can change ( or repeal) that law. The parley may have a different objective when setting up a certain act of parley into law but then when it brings about a different interpretation and unexpected consequence in the courts of law that the parley never meant to be, they themselves can struck that law and the courts can only adjust itself. The Parley is the only organ that can regulate other organs indirectly and directly but no any other organ can regulate the parley. It regulates itself. If the parley is not happy with the way the judiciary or executive is operating, they can regulate it by bringing in some registration. This is how it works.
Very true Mr. Speaker, both are law making wings and cannot overrule each other.
Parley can apply its internal rules against a serving member of parley but the former president is no longer member of parley mr speaker. Yo interpretation is vexatious and politically motivated as yu are a pf no one expects mr speaker to be impartial in such matters mr speaker yu abuse the opposition.