Action Aid Zambia has demanded that KCM be shut to allow investigations take place so as ensure that Zambians know how much the mine makes.
Action Aid country director Pamela Chisanga observed that there is need for people to be told the truth about how much the mine makes in profits hence government should consider shutting the mine down for investigation if it does not know what is obtaining at the mine.
And Ms Chisanga demanded that President Micheal Sata gives the government’s position on the matter.
She said it was disheartening to see the government remain mute on the KCM saga.
Chisanga said the statement by KCM owner Anil Agarwal is serious and should be investigated.
Meanwhile Ms. Chisanga said the Police and the Anti Corruption Commission should come in to investigate the matter.
She said the matter is criminal and Police should not just be quick to arrest opposition leaders when they hold meetings.
Agarwal is on video saying he bought KCM for a paltry US$25 million and reaps US$500 million per year.
She has since given the PF government 7 days to give a conclusive position.
You do not need to shut the mine.I believe there have been investigations let by eminent ex miners including one Mutati, one sixtus and others. Where is their report? Not yet done?
Chief Musele is actually right on hist stance at Kalumbila Mine.
The presented is busy posting on Face Book. Check his face book after mind night once Chellah has edited.
the president is busy posting on his face book page, check for the response after mid-night.
Mutati is not a forensic auditor, this a serious matter let us not behave like foo.ls. Lets hire properly qualified ZAMBIANS to investigate this criminality.
You have a use.less president who cant even issue a statement so the nation is made aware of government position on the matter. Chikelefye mu state house ndwiii! What is the point of having a president who only knows to fight and antagonise the people he is ruling? Use.less president!
This is a serious matter and govt must treat it as such.
its so serious that the president himself MUST address the nation on both radio and tv and give a concise govt position on the issue and not through facebook posts.
He can use facebook to address and react to political nonedescripts like HH and not a matter as serious like this one
The silence means Sata is also a beneficialy,if he was not we would have a reaction by now including the protest against KCM in London by our sympathisers ziiiiii….
Action Aid, close the mine kabili? Does anybody use their brain in Zambia sure? What about the employees? Investigations can still happen with the mine in operation.
@The Crusader how dare you say such things!! You are the useless one, The President has done so much in trying to make things fairer for us Zambians so we all get a better stake from the mines. I don’t understand some of you UPND *****s, you are such hypocrites when it was your satantic HH who was in the forefront of negotiating for the sale of these mines. Our President has been tolerant and kind to not see to it *****s like you are arrested for defamation, how dare you say such things??? Useless creature is what YOU are, Crusader of what insults and nonsense. Ba Lusaka times you have always been a reputable online forum now it appears these devils from Zambian Watchdog are coming here to post nothing but insults don’t be blindly negative be objective censure some of these UPND cadres.
@let me say this..well you are a typical speciman of a blind political thug that doesn’t know his front from his back, go to school you numbskull before you start talking such rubbish on this forum. I criticise where need be, I support our President M.C Sata because he has done a lot of good and strengthened democracy, we have many development projects and more debate on social issues – speak of the liberty that we all enjoy by allowing cretins like you to spew such nonsense. Our President has done a lot of good which I can say with certainty your useless Horrible Hater would never be able to do God forbid that devil ever becomes President (which he never will)…ctn
But now getting back to your stupid defense of Horrible Hater or Hateful Hakainde or whatever you want to call that plunderer have you ever heard of corporate ethics?? As a citizen of this country and subcontracted to sell off a national asset you have both a responsibilty to your country to see the asset is being sold off fairly for the benefit of your fellow citizens, secondly as an appointed liquidator under universal convention you are obliged not to undervalue the assets that are being desposed of, this not only brings into disrepute the firm you represent but yourself as the assigned.
@2020vision, iwe we chipubawe. Pam.puti ukufita you son of a b!tch. Who do you think you are ******we? Its you who is use.less together with your use.less president chi sata. We mbwawe iwe. Who do you think you are? Bring it own mother fu.cker and I will tear you to pieces you a.ss licker of sata’s rectum. !diot.
@The Crusader..there you go again with your insults, I wonder are you suffering from some form of mental retardation that compels you to insult before thinking, or you lack the intellect to debate and bring out valid points that will enlighten the rest of us??? Muli chipuba??? That is a valid question for you! Are you an inbred cretin??? Were your parents brother and sister?? I think they were because that is the only logical explanation on how someone can be as stupid as you! Your very own Horrible Hater together with a host of other plunderers are responsible for this mess that the government is now forced to deal with. Yes we should bring to book all who were involved in the sellling of KCM to Vedanta and at the forefront will be your demonic prince HH!
@MM Grand or whatever name you are using, if you so wish I will kindly meet you in person since you want to kill me by tearing me “to pieces”. I’m based in Lusaka. Let’s meet at the main Post Office at 12 hrs. Your failure to show up will be an indication that you are not only a coward but as useful a festering maggot. I will say this only once get an education mwana your brains are clearly under developed and you should stop dreaming of violence, you might become a victim of it yourself..okay mwana?
NO NEED AT ALL TO SHUT THE MINE. BUT BEFORE VITAL INFORMATION OR EVIDENCE IS SHREDDED OUR AUDITOR GENERALS OFFICE TOP CREAM EXPERTS (if they are not all thieves at all), ACC, POLICE AND OTHER GOVT AGENCIES MUST BE PERMANENTLY PLANTED THERE WHILE INVESTIGATIONS ARE GOING ON. HOWEVER, DO NOT HOPE TO FIND ANYTHING THERE. ZAMBIAN WORKERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN BRIBED TO ERASE OR CHANGE ALL THE FIGURES. OUR MOST SERIOUS ENEMY ARE ZAMBIANS THEMSELVES WHO SALE THEIR COUNTRY FOR PERSONAL BENEFIT. DON’T WORRY- THE HORSE HAS SAID IT ALL AND IT’S ON WORLD RECORD THAT ZAMBIA HAS BEEN DUPED AND DAYLIGHT ROBBED. JUST TAKE AWAY OUR PROPERTY AND HAND IT BACK TI INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION- IDC. IT WAS FORMED IN TIME FOR THIS.
THE ZAMBIAN GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED A WITNESS. THE HORSE SAID IT. THE HORSE IS A WITNESS HIMSELF. THE WORLD WORLD WATCHED. WE CAN’T BE LUCKIER THAN THIS.
BanaChisanga is that the best yo can think…… Shut the mine, is that a solution? It is this type of thinking that led to selling the same mine at USD25m. Can someone please say where exactly in the chain taxes are being avoided instead of the current which hunt without any specifics? Are we that stupid as a nation that we cannot count the copper leaving our border posts on trucks to determine what KCM makes?
So you expect action from this failed govt when they didn’t comment on london KCM protest
Typical of thugs!!
2020 cannot make a sensible comment but rushes to insults. You will be identified one day for the crimes you have committed. Only a criminal at heart can spit out such venom each time you open your mouth. The issue at hand concerns all Zambians and not only political thugs like you who do not even know what is being said.
For your information HH did not negotiate for the privatisation of the mines. The govt did. Grant Thornton International for which HH was an employee was contracted to be the receiver on behalf of stakeholders. Anyway, you cannot even understand such issues. Why waste time. You should just be arrested for inciting violence and crimes you have been committing against innocent citizens. That includes your friends in crime: Kudos, Gen and Haleisa…
Let him be investigated stealing from da poor
Pamela I like your words but your president can only comment on Facebook I therefore advise you to follow his Facebook page he is now scared of people because of not fulfilling his promises we miss our sata we voted for. Hope is gone
Wechipuba iwe, have respect for the president. If it was a Bemba who sold the mines you would have unleashed insults at him. Now it is one of the so called Bantu botatwe. You are the same chaps who condemned Sata when he repossessed ZAMTEL.
@wazeya
kekekekekekekkekeekkaaaaaaaaaa! great comment!!!!
@ME, wechipuba niwe who cant acknowledge that you have a use.less president. Kolwee iwe. Everyone who post anything anti-sata ati ni bantu botatwe. Chikkalla chobe.
All the business owned by foreigners should be under investigation. You wont believe how much product is being sneaked out of the country under the table and how much tax is being evaded
There is a compelling point raised by Action AidZambia. This is citizenry responsibility that aims to unite a national call to bring to account our national resources by our government. Zambians have a stake in all investments made in the nation by foreign and local investors.The watch word is accountability to Zambians and social movements such as Action Aidzambia is one such group amongst many that would want a revisit in the way our resources are benefiting Zambians. This is waat genuine participatory democracy entails to listen and act on people’s concerns and opinions. We urge PF government to reign over KCM as ot did on Finance bank to correct a mis selling of national resources.
Machismo, Mugabe-style, is needed here, instant!
If you are waiting for Sata to take action on KCM, then you should blame yourself for your low IQ.
The only thing Sata can act on is to unleash his subhuman cadres on Mr. Hichilema.
@blago you are the sub human UPND cadre, please how can you have the likes of William Banda in your top ranks and claim to be peace loving??? You are just useless hypocrites.
Set them as an EXAMPLE! They have cashed in already and take back all they stole from day one, it belongs to Zambia! Each time this same story is repeated my heart hurts leaving me angry just like the first day when it broke.
Ms Chisanga is there another way to this other than shutting down?
if you close the mine;
1. kwacha will lose more value
2. everybody in chingola and chililabombwe depends on the same mine
3. it has refinary in kitwe and mine in napundwe (2 and 3 over 20,000jobes)
4. mine hospital and clinics will shut leading to congestion to north hospital
5. trust schools will close and teachers will have no jobes and pupils will be subjected to poor government facilities.
6. surporting services such as transport, shoprite, banks etc will have to shut. from the time KCM stopped giving out loans to kcm employees financial institutions such bayport have already downsized their workforce.
7. jerabos will rip off mine installations especially copper cables and it will be expensive for wouldbe investor to restart mine
mwanawasa sold the mine cheaply to avoid…
The aim of every profit making entity is to maximize profit as much as they can.so don’t blame vendetta but blame your makeshift laws.that’s why I want a new constitution.
The kcm chairman,agrawal is telling zambian that they shud wake up and add value to their natural resources very far businesmen wud tel such truth about there profits,yes we errored in some way by trusting him to delivery on his pledges,the task force that visisted kcm was a group of corept pipo wit poverty writen on there faces so do not expect anything good from there report,the way forward, the government shud just give a directive on how they want things be at kcm.
Not shutting down, reposes the mines like the way we reposed Finance bank and ZAMTEL period! Why waste time with criminals.
Generally Zambians enjoy being treated like dirty; this is the specialty of Zambians. Zambia produces nearly 1 million tonnes of copper annually but how much of those minerals are transported by Zambians? The Zambian government has contracted debt of nearly 1 Billion dollars to build the transport network; can some f.uc.ker at ministry of finance tell us how many Zambian bred engineers have given contracts to build these key infrastructure? How many Zambian suppliers are benefiting these mines? Shut these mines down because they are not benefiting anybody. Can Zambians not runs mine or build their own roads? Every time a road contract is given, its either an Indian or a Chinese, what is wrong Zambians? Small brains – period.
Spot on! !
Zambians have been given contracts in the past but they take the money and not do the work. Corruption is in our DNA. We need a serious clean up. Tougher laws on corruption but it should start with strengthening the justice system in the country. The fact that top law makers are criminals in themselves does not help our cause. We need new systems and fresh ideas.
100% in agreement with United. It is not like these mines were not run by Zambians before. We are our own worst enemy. Where are the Shamutetes of this world? It is not like the World Bank forced us to sell the mines because I believe the copper mines in Chile are not privatised but what was not acceptable was for the government to subsidise the running of the mines. We were told that the copper ore reserves were finished. Didn’t we know that there were copper ore reserves in North Western Province? Where are these new owners getting the copper from? We have all heard of the joke that if Zambians went to the UK and the British came to Zambia the Zambians would run down the country and would start asking for aid from the British-run Zambia.
I agree. Europeans were buying cooper at low prices and selling it to China, India etc at more than double the price. When the China, India etc realized they were being swindled by Europe they decided to deal directly with Zambia. That is why copper prices went up and the previous government were aware of the enormous value of the mines. Mwanawasa and Chiluba were corrupt. They blindsighted the people of Zambia. They sold Zambia’s assets to the lowest foreign bidder for a commission. Their commissions are now in offshore accounts for use by their wives and children. Meanwhile the people of Zambia continue to suffer.
@makest,is right ActionAid zambia shud thick in those lines what will happen to the people of those towns in which kcm oparates,not just having a press brief and say things which are not offering any solution at all.
This is Treason. There is clearly a crime of betraying one’s country this this despicable economic sabotage. Mwanawasa, Kaunda Lemba Lemba,and Magade among others owed Zambia a fiduciary duty in the exercise of sale of KCM. They were supposed to exercise diligence, prudence and reasonable care which clearly are not evident in this case. If this was their own personal asset they would not have sold it in this way. This is not privatization, this is just pure criminality and the two should not be mixed up. So Mugade should not talk about windfall tax now, he should first explain how he together with Mwanawasa, Kaunda Lemba Lemba and others committed this treasonable case.
MMD under RB and PF under Sata and Chikwanda are accomplish to this crime for covering it up and participating in illegal gotten proceeds from Agarwal and other through their unreasonable resistance to introduce windfall tax.
The amount in question is US$13.5 billion, made up of US$ 500 million per year and other 1 billion per year (presumably this is in form of profits from transfer pricing) over 9 years which is all taxable now that we know about it
The indian chap is actually rubbing in what we and everybody else knows that we are an extremely docile people. Electing into power an obviously insane man confirmed this fact. You can bet your last kwacha this Anil guy will get away with it. The president has other pressing petty matters to deal with, making sure Sosala isn’t chief. But for Anil to be so casually brazen about it, now that speaks volumes about our nation. Of course the govt will justify Anil’s insults and allow him to continue to plunder our resources. The question that bothers me, do financial professionals in Zambia really know how to value an asset? Or may be the president didn’t have advisers at time of negotiations? How did they arrive at the sale price of US$25M for an asset worth (approximately upwards of…
…US$500 Billion+?
The government is always blackmailed because of jobs for Zambians I don’t know why we do this investors want money not improving your welfare if someone mention jobs we all moves as country moves as long as we are employed no one cares and investors know this so we are in it for a long time no one ask this copper I am diging for you to sell how much is it and will the benefit to me only be a salary from you after you sell my copper which I help you did all because I didn’t have money to buy machinery you have employed to use to did my copper for you to sell.
When did you buy anything from an Indian shop?
Pamela….KCM is not like Shoprite to be shut just like that. However, its encouraging to see such organisation coming out strong on this KCMGATE sham….
Some-one somewhere within the govt ranks is fully aware of this rot….otherwise why the resistance, reluctance, flimsy explanation for not re-introducing the windfall tax…..??..This may go back as far as Situmbeko Musokotwane era…The only problem I see is that we may just never know the real truth as long as those who have been and still benefiting from this saga are still in the corridors of power. It will be like asking Woodlands Police to investigate Emmasdale Police
All the rot was done in MMD’s rule. Have you forgotten how Zamtel was sold and included ZESCO’s optics cable which was not part of Zamtel’s assets? How FBZ was sold for $5m? At least in this case it was not a Zambian company but money must have exchanged hands to seal such a deal.
Shutting down the mine will result in loss of jobs for our fellow Zambians who are currently working at KCM. The Zambian Government should allow KCM to continue its operation of the mine, but freeze KCM’s assets and accounts until the investigation is complete.
Well Mwanawasa brought these people if you see November 2004 as the date they took over. So maybe MMD can explain where the money went
They were introduced to Mwanawasa by Rajan Mahtani. Mahtani is alive whilst Mwanawasa is dead. Mahtani must explain.
Mwanawasa left wind fall tax,so he wa in control.
By March 2000, the privatization programme of the largest mining assets was completed. Anglo American reacquired a 51% stake in Konkola Copper Mines which comprised mining operations in Chingola and Konkola, and smelting / refining operations at Nkana. However, in September, 2002 Anglo American withdrew as shareholders of KCM, leaving a restructured company whose main shareholders were again government entities, ZCCM-IH and ZCI. In November 2004, Vedanta Resources became the major shareholder in KCM with a 51% share in the company. In 2008, Vedanta Resources increased its holding in the company to 79.4%.
What wrong has this man done? He simply told us about his ROI on a business. What’s wrong with that? Lets learn from him,invest prudently and case closed.
@game meat
…which game meat..??…a squirrel just from hibernating. Its like u are buying almost new pair of jeans from a blind man and u tell him u can only pay him 1/16th of the asking price because its a faded jeans. The poor man can only feel… cant see….and u are aware that the blind man is in a desperate situation….. That’s what we call taking advantage of the vulnerable…..
What we need in Zambia is a system that will work regardless of who’s in power; a system that will not be exploited by foreign investors like this Anil chap. Selling KCM at $25 million would have been okay if the government owned a 50% stake and there was a system in place to ensure our fellow citizens are well taken care of in terms of salaries and employment insurance. We need to re-introduce the windfall taxes, re-visit the minimum wage bill in parliament which will ensure employees are paid enough for overhead costs and savings; and finally, an employment insurance policy that will compensate employees who’ve been either fired or laid off. This way, no foreign investor will take advantage of our people ever again. The KCM saga should save as a wake up call to all Zambians. God…
All those involved should be investigated. Even the banker who brought Vendata and introduced Mwanawasa to them should be locked up and asked what his profit from the scam was. His bank should also be investigated,
Al those who brought Vendata to Zambia should be charged with treason and their businesses and wealth seriously investigated.
This was self-reporting by KCM. No country that has to depend on foreign companies to incriminate themselves by way of self-reporting, is serious and competent enough to manage the exploitation of its natural resources. Zambia lacks real brain power. Any wonder that we have the likes of Mr. Michael Chilufya Sata, a man with very moderate education, as president today!
Meant to say: “modest education” instead of “moderate education”. Was slip of pen.
People the quietness is not strange.It means Sata and the PF are beneficiaries of corruption and bribery .Remember there has never been any reaction from government since the British protested on our behalf.Nothing bwana these are the same thieves in government stealing…
Nothing works in Zambia…you can murder someone and go scot free…
we are all wasting our time and resources.
These indians are clever when you were sleeping on a mine without knowing how much value it had.
these guys used their brains and bought with their money.
now you guys are crying….
Dull Zambians
Thats why we are undeveloped.
“ActionAid Zambia calls for shut down of KCM to pave way for investigation”. This is not a wise call. Many people will suffer if KCM is closed. What is the government going to investigate? KCL and the government negotiated the deal. It was the government that developed in a collaborative environment that allows for the serious consideration of the rights, interests, and obligations of all parties. The government negotiators, the educated ( PHD, Masters without experience of all mining business activities, did not know the value of KCL Mines and the value of ZCCM. Both mines were undersold. Who is to blame? Appointments to please friends, relatives and cadres without practical experience have cost us. Negotiations can be done when mine is active.
” Both mines were undersold. Who is to blame? ”
Wrong question. The question is: Why was Africa’s biggest copper mine up for sale in the first place?
Answer: because the IMF/World Bank demanded that it would be put up for sale. Or the Chiluba government would go the same way as the Kaunda government.
If anyone still thinks Zambians voted out Kaunda, time to sober up. President Kaunda was hounded out of office, with the same tactics the IMF/World Bank use all over the world – blowing up the national budget which THEY provide with ‘donor aid’. That’s what led to the ‘IMF riots’ as former World Bank Chief Economist Joseph Stiglitz calls them, where ever they occur on the globe.
If you want a future for your children, take back the mines, throw out the IMF/World Bank Bretton Woods institutions, issue your own currency (backed by copper, for Christ’s sake), from your own banks to provide liquidity for your own economy, and consume the goods you produce first, before exporting.
Zambia will prosper.
Who do you want to make rich – your own children and neighbors, or Anil Agarwal, and any number of billionairs?
The billionairs present an international threat, and we need international coordination (SADC, AU) to prevent happening to any country what was done to Zimbabwe, through ZDERA. Maybe they can strike a deal with the Chinese.
Thanks to Zimbabwe and President Mugabe, we now know the dangers and strategies to counter them.
Simple. Just give Agarwal Zambian citizenship and all the money KCM makes will remain in the country.
Hell no! Ban indian investors. They are absolute scum with no integrity. I have never met an Indian businessman in Zambia with good intentions for the people of Zambia. The are shrewd and dishonest. They only care about their creed and are after Zambians wealth.
That’s what happens when you have corrupt minister. He is really making fool of the Zambia. If Government take no action then every investor will treat you that way. It’s clear what he is say.
All this is bla bla bla bla bla check your facts Bill Gate did not graduate yet he is the wealthiest person in the globe. You so called educated are a biggest let down to this country all you know is get a degree and work for the rest of your life. Don’t blame anil he is a smart businessman he saw an opportunity and he grabbed it full stop. My point is you don’t need a degree to be successful in life, use your god given brain that is what is important even great people in the bible had no degrees.
Its interesting a lot of the blind criticism of govt and insults is posted early at 04hrs or slightly after midnight I guess that is the time the likes of “142” or “let me say this..”wake up in their stinking, cold room somwehere in a ghetto located abroad be it the UK, US, Scandenavia or in near by in SA. Such cretins or parasites give blind useless criticism that doesn’t offer any suggestions of how we can solve these problems. I commend those regardless of their political leanings who have offered their suggestions on how best to deal with Vendatta. A constructive opinion is your right to express yourself, an insult to someone is you imposing your hate inorder to incite hate.
It is criminal to fraud Zambian people whateve rrearsons. The valuation procedures for mineral assets was poorly conducted despite the late Dean even whilst on his death bed at UTH. He warned those that were in power but they were really sturborn as usual.
Ba Pamela mwelitusekesha. Shut down the mine? Is it because your pay comes from London and so you cannot feel the pinch of mine closure. This is how simplistic NGOs can be about serious issues of life. Vedanta has said the video translation was twisted and VP Dr Scott said something to that effect, so why don’t we wait until the whole truth is given
What else do you expect pamela to say apart from a populist statement that has no impact. Has she been to the mines to see the improtant role they play. Shut KCM and send 18,000 workers home, surely someone must be serious
I agree with Kapoto, I live in Chililabombwe. I see the KDMP shaft everyday and I learn almost $1 billion has been spent to sink the shaft. I drive past Chingola and see one of the largest smelters in Africa. i have seen a brochure saying KCM has spent over $2.8 billion on investments. I don’t think we should dismiss Vedanta as a fly by night investor. We need to ask what exatly was said about the investments and treat this matter with level heads and not xenophobia and insults
As usual simpe, NGO solutions with fuel paid for by tax payers in London or Wales. You lose credibility because of these simple solutions. Have you been to a mine in your life?
” As usual simpe, NGO solutions with fuel paid for by tax payers in London or Wales. You lose credibility because of these simple solutions. ”
The same Western taxpayers, who pay ‘donor aid’, so that the mines don’t have to pay taxes in Zambia?
Donor Aid is nothing more than a massive externalisation of the tax obligations of transnational corporations.
Instead of corporations paying the taxes they owe, the Western taxpayer pays the bill. And the middle class and poor Zambian taxpayer gets robbed twice, once of their own taxes, which are now much higher because the mines don’t pay, and again because the profits of Zambia’s natural resources (which they collectively own in international law – it’s their property) do not stay in the Zambian economy.
Dear fellow Citizens
I feel strongly that shutting down KCM is not the solution at the moment as the consequence of the closure will have domino effects on the whole country and the economy at large. At the moment the local currently has dwindled as a result of plummeting copper prices. With the problems at Lumwana and couple with KCM we might just put ourselves into serious problems .
We do have friend and relative working got KCM and imagine what the closure will do to us all and please let us also remember Luanshya . Let us not take emotions first but rather wait and understand what actually happened .
This reminds me of copper refinery in Ndola it was also bought by Indians at 60 million dollars and all the interest they had in it was the machinery which was weath over 300 million dollars, they plundered it all and left the plant.