By Dora Siliya
Hello friends,
Since my endorsement of Edgar Lungu for President, some sectors of the society have alleged that Easterners have began tribe politics. I thought it best to put my position on the matter on record.
If you look at the voting patterns of Eastern province in the last 22 years, it’s clear that Easterners have never been shy to endorse candidates from other tribes at local, parliamentary and presidential elections. In 1991, the Presidential vote was given to Muchinga with Kaunda against Chiluba of Luapula. Thereafter, in 2001, with two Eastern Presidential candidates, late Christon Tembo and Godfrey Miyanda, the Eastern Province vote was extremely divided across the FDD, MMD, UNIP AND HP. This scenario relocated itself at local Government and Parliamentary elections. Even former President RB did not have it easy in Eastern province, and failed to Marshall the extra 200 thousand votes to win the 2011 elections. Out of over 600 thousand registered voters only 334 thousand voted if am not mistaken.
[pullquote]Our colleagues in Southern province in 99.9% instances have voted only for the UPND at all levels of elections in the last 22 years, with probably the exception of 1991 when it was a revolution.[/pullquote]
The most important point is that even as I write this, the battle in Eastern province has been among the MMD, the PF and the UPND. However, the MMD wrangles have pushed Edgar Lungu of the PF ahead. The reason is not because of being an Easterner, but simply because the MMD and PF members, especially in Eastern Province are well known to each other. The PF is an off shoot of the MMD making it easier for cadres in both parties to work together. My observation is that those championing UPND in Eastern Province are mostly first time politicians or those who have found no room in the MMD and the PF.
Our colleagues in Southern province in 99.9% instances have voted only for the UPND at all levels of elections in the last 22 years, with probably the exception of 1991 when it was a revolution. Our observation has been that in Southern province, it does not matter whether a candidate is good or not, as long as they stand on UPND, a win is automatic. Even their Presidential candidate has always received overwhelming support from his province even when the rest of the country voted otherwise. It’s not a secret that some sections of the province have even gone on to state that the UPND is for Tongas only.
I believe Zambians have become quite sophisticated and can not be cheated on who is tribal or not.
I have already given my reasons for supporting Lungu and the PF in general in this by-election. The PF as a Party and not President Sata, was given a 5 year mandate by the people of Zambia in 2011. For removal of any doubt on this point, you will recall that in Zambia, no Presidential candidate is allowed to stand as an independent. One must be supported by a political party meaning it is a party that gets elected into Government. By extent ion when their leader dies, that Party must be able to find a replacement within the Party to continue the term as it is done even in near by Malawi. This would save Zambia a lot of unnecessary by-elections expenses and post election expenditure in case Government changes.
This, dear friends, is how I see it.
January 21, it will be announced…Edgar Lungu is leading in the elections
January 23/24 it will be announced…Edgar Lungu has won the elections
By the first week of February it will be announced…HH has resigned as UPND president..
****VIVA EDGAR LUNGU 2015 AND 2016****
HH for 2036 viva!!
Anything including a cow or goat would mop 99.9% winning votes among tongas in Southern province. The only qualification is to be named tonga and subscribing to the regional doctrine of bantustanism period. You be rejected even 10 times with dismal performance at national level but continue wopping the tonga votes at 99.9% till death. In bantustanism, regionalism takes precedency over the nation
Well said Madam Dora. please Ignore all insults to be posted here by these haters. You are a beautifully and wonderfully created Lady. We love you. Thank you and God bless.
By this very pronouncement, Dora is being tribal, and that’s the more reason why she supports Edgar Lungu. Tribe at play. She is an MMD MP, who is supposed to support her party’s candidate but she wishes for her party to lose. Nonsense!
Useless Dora, you did not support Nevers Mumba because he is not from the Eastern province. Explain why RB, Muhabi and you are behind EL?
You, RB and Muhabi Lungu will regret your decision. Now that Sata is gone you think you will have room in PF under the leadership of your fellow easterner.
Each political party had strongholds, this is the case even in the US, there are some states that have always voted for republicans or democrats….
this is the case with UPND, they have always done very well not only in southern province but also in Western, North Western and central provinces…
And PF has Muchinga, Northern and Luapula provices
@ 1.2 Mwenyo, kikikikikiki this is kikiest. Huyu Hena Hawe. Hakasuka Hakakote Hukulusalusa
I totally agree with your observations Dora.
The easterners are like their bemba speaking counterparts….. but when it comes to southerners….awe sure
Besides being generally selfish. the tongas are just too power hungry and Zambians dont like that
As a collaborator HH killed our people in RAMCOZ. This time he is collaborating with arms dealers, outlawed mervenary groups, the likes of Katele shrub laptop Kalumba, Michaek Mabenga, VJ all criminals against Zambians not forgerting Masebo fired for corruption. Check cases of all these and see how filthy HH endorsements are.
PF -RB a criminal gang has been formed to sell Zambia off.
Easterners have shunned Mumba of Northern on a wako ni wako tie and what sober mind literally can support those bunch of theives we rejected in 2011 now that they are regrouping from a crumbled party? zambians are not fools to vote Rupiah Banda and his bunch of corrupt MPs who were interrogated by the same PF. Lungu has completely destroyed PF because even before PF consisted of useless MPs as Sata stated, but now the inclusion of the 2011 corrupt rejects have estroyed it further making it an easy task for HH. I cant vote Edgar i have changed today.
The Kumawa Party (KP)!
The “three musketeers” I suppose, RB, Dora Siliya & Muhabi Lungu are just ashamed that they are regrouping in PF~>for KF(Kumawa Family) party and endorsing the tribal line theory.
Dora, remain in denial, it no wonder ZNBC was failing professionally because of bottom right for money and now in politics!
Ms Siliya, yendani chambe uko Ku mawa na a Lungu anu.
This is the reason why Barotseland has been consistently right in reverting to her original status before 24~10~64, & Northern Rhodesia to do. Best we cut Zambia on the middle, Northwest, Barotseland & Southern provinces together and on the other hand, Northern, Muchinga & Eastern provinces to make up Northern Rhodesia as it was before 1911.
13 days left of voting PF out!
It makes me very happy that for the first time in the history of Zambia , Zambia will have a leader who is very resourceful, world class entrepreneur , best business planner and developer, self made multi-millionaire from very humble background in the name of HH.
HH ‘s vision to better the lives of many Zambians is the only realistic and pragmatic one amongst all candidates. His is backed by practical experience in the private sector where its very hard to break even but he has shown us that , with hard work coupled with proper planning, every Zambian can achieve better standards of living.
HH brings a fresh perspective to Zambian politics, which is different from one that has been dominated by the “we are in politics to eat type”-the likes of RB ,Lungu.
HH means well for…
Uko….Dora calling a spade a spade. Dora Poor People’s Party has a crush on you, any comment.?
Viva EL Viva PF
Well said Dora !! Uli muntu sana iwe. Uno mwaka wakwa Lungu bane.
Finally Rupiah Banda has found a way of returning his debt from 2011 polls loss. On what guarantee does he think he (Lungu) can win since he promised him vice presidency and make the country repay his debts?
So fanny how people can be fooled easily. A will ago PF promised to change the country in 90 days.
I have always said, when politicians lack vision and have totally nothing to inspire the electorate with, they quickly resort to character assassinations using tribal tagging , insults and utter falsehood like what PF now under the control of RB and Dora has started doing.
Instead of explaining to the people why PF failed to pay farmers in time, pay students in time, sponsor all student who meet the criteria from poor back ground, uphold rule of law, stop panga fighting, stop corruption, stop the economy weakening further, and explaining what measures PF under RB will take to correct all these broken promises by the PF, they are telling fellow Easterners to voet lungu because he is fellow Easterner regardless of whether he has a correct vision or not.
RB and DS have finished PF.
Dora we respect your opion of supporting Lungu.But how do Tongas come in this issue,And who told you that UPND was there for 20 years.
Hence its u who is tribal,a prostitute will always say i am not but my friend she is a prostitute.
She is right anyway,
you dont need to refuse the truth just because you are supporting them.
ABA TONGA BAKULAUPANA NA BA LOZI,NAIFWE FWE BA BEMBA TWAKULAUPANA NA BA NGONI PERIOD.ITS TRUE MADAM SILIYA.
Party Beaches/ sluts??. Sata insulted you to pieces?? You as well Insulted your PF Petauke opponent Lenard Banda, to his death? Now that you don’t have a Job and lost your popularity in Petauke under MMD because of your unacceptable silly behavior?? You are busy job hunting and writing such rubbish?? You and RB are are an embarrassment to easterners. You have just made Lungu to lose the election.
I have nothing personal with Lungu, but PF as a party full of lies and fake promises. They have no vision, let alone a strategy to improve lives of Zambians. They deserve no vote and a boot out of power.
Whether Southerner or Not. HH will win as a revolution to Kick PF out and let all other political parties learn that don’t lie to Zambians.
VOTE HH at no cost. PF is MMD don’t be…
Dora is supposed to support MMD and not PF. How then do you expect MMD to remain strong? When RB was standing on MMD all these Easterners were in support of MMD. When Nevers took over they change to PF. Do they only support parties whose presidential candidate is from Eastern? Is that not tribalism?
HH will still win; whatever accusations you come up with. It is because he is just the best candidate.
Ba DORA DONT LIE we kno the HISTORY OF ZAMBIA VERY WELL though we were BORN YESTERDAY in 80s.
We KNOW you FEAR TONGAS without any cause I BELIEV they ‘ARE JEWS of ZAMBIA’ and most of them are LEARNED they are a BLESSED TRIBE, GOD has blessed them ALOT.
I will BE MUTE for peace’s sake I LOVE MY ZAMBIA. PERSONALLY I passed tht level of TRIBAL TAG: But I have this QUESTION.
WHERE WAS THE “FIRST CAPITAL” OF ZAMBIA ? Was it not in Southern ? Even LUSAKA itself is in TONGA-LAND. We kno your Unnecessary ‘FEARS’
SO DORA DONT BRING IDIOCY, you raise our tempers.
#FLIGHHH2015 HAPPY JUBILEE ZAMBIA.
Someone needs to remind Madam Dora Siliya about an old English adage: “Those who live in glass houses must not throw stones.” Eastern Province is just as tribal as Southern Province, if not more. The two provinces are on my prayer list. We need a Zambia that is free of tribalism in all its forms.
THIS IS WHERE I FIND DORA VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE AND ANALYTICAL AS AN EDUCATED PERSON MORE THOSE WHO ARE EDUCATED BUT JUST CAN’T ANALYZE ISSUES. ALTHOUGH THIS ISSUE APPEARS TO BE ROCKET SCIENCE TO MOST EDUCATED ZAMBIANS- IT IS INDEED A SIMPLE MATTER. UBWAFYA MU ZAMBIA MWALIBE IFIKOPO IFINGI IFYASAMBILILA.
EL FOR 2015, PLEASE.
HH , should not resign even if he loses. It will also depend on what kind of loss. If he losses by 1% due to rigging he should fight on . Secondly HH is the only opposition leader providing checks and balances in a difficult environment .
Without HH , The paramount Chief would not have seen EDGAR Lungu kneel before him
Without HH, 500 nurses will still be fired, there would be no promise of a new contitituion.
You want HH to resign so that you can sleep at the wheel. No way also Sata only become President at the age of 70 HH is younger than that.
If you win it will be a narrow margin and your own incompetence will make HH win the next time.
The reason HHis rich from hard work and you are poor is because he never gives up. So don’t count on him resigning . Even if you…
Dora Siliya is in effect telling the Easterners to “Please take an olive leaf from the Tongas and vote along tribal lines also.” But is she not being tribal herself by preaching this kind of gospel?
Former Petauke MMD Member of Parliament Dora Siliya has one more secret admirer who has come out of the closet and made his intentions known.
Poor People’s Party President and the star of the year 2014 Alex Muliokela has continued grabbing national headlines in the new year in his quest to get the woman of his dreams.
Muliokela says he has always admired the charismatic former Transport and Communications Minister saying she would be the ideal woman he wants by his side when he secures the elusive keys to State House.
The Poor People’s Party leader, who has continued to captivate the imagination of the nation through his sheer determination to be President against all odds says he has so much in common with Siliya and they are a match made in heaven…
(Kitwe Times)
THIS CHISUSU IS NOT WORTHY ANSWERING BACK,HUNGER IBI.
WHAT A SHAME BA DORAH CHISUSU NO WONDER SATA WAS INSULTING YOU.
SMELLY MUHABI SHAGGING CHISUSU DORA CONCOTION IIBI
NOT WHILE AGO SOMEONE BY THE NAME OF DORAH WAS INSULTING HER FELLOW EASTERNER THAT MUHABI STINKS .SMELLS WONDERS IF HE BATHES NOR SHOWER NOW THEY ARE MAN AND WIFE IN THE AUCTIONED PARTY SOLD TO RB.
WELLDONE LUNGU TO SELL PF TO RB .
RB THE SUPREME LEADER DESTINED TO SINK IN LUANGWA RIVER.
WELLDONE MUHABI LUNGU FOR BEING CHOSEN THE PRESS AIDE FOR LUNGU.
DRIBBLES HIS WAY .
LOOK AT DORA CHISUSU SMILING TAKEOVER OF A PARTY THAT WAS FOUNDED BY SATA KWENA SATA IS TURNING OH MY DEAR.
PF MINISTERS SHAME ON YOU THATS YOUR END NOW BANE .
YOU ENJOYED YOUR 3 YEARS RB HAS FINISHED YOU THROUGH LUNGU
She IS smart this girl. No wonder both Mwanawasa and RB appointed her a Cabinet Minister and she was never fired unlike Masebo.
“My observation is that those championing UPND in Eastern Province are mostly first time politicians…” Nonsense you tribal b1tch! It’s because they have decided to discard tribal politics and embrace the One Zambia One Nation motto.
I totally agree with you Dora, Eastern is not tribal..
Eastern province is not tribal. They just happen to support KK, who is actually an easterner born in Chinsali. They also support RB hence his invitation to consolidate the Eastern block. If RB can be a mover in Eastern province then it’s tribal.
Also former Presidents who have had the privelage of running the whole country , to whom everyone look up to for guidance should be above party politics. RB. Should be embarrased
Also wise paramount Chiefs receive everyone , even those who torment you like Citimukulu and the Litunga. Mpezeni should also be above politics .
Choosing Barabus over Jesus shows that ones judgement is biased by tribal affiliation whatever the excuse you give
Dora is looking for employment. All these are job seekers not really patriotic to the country, it’s self interest and hypocrisy.
The easterners have rejected EL with his endorsers RB and Siliya accordingly to a reliable source on ZWD.
RB tried to pull a tribal card but MMD officials have refused. LOL.
PF kuya bebele with love from Eastern Province.
Viva HH, Viva MMD Eastern Province for standing up to RB.
Viva #FlightHH2015.
Dora the SPERM CHAMBER together with your Akulu Mpuno, you have no morals at all. After all what MMD did for you. Today you can stand tall and go to bed with pf all because of your tribesman. It’s only a few days remaining and we will see who cries first. We shall retire your RB back to his farm. As for chakolwa lungu, that will be his end in politics, and of course the end of pf. As for you Dora, you’ll continue wetting your bed.
Useless article I thought the Chisusu was gonna say something sensible, we chiwelewele weeee!
I now reckon MMD should be dismantled and it has outlived its usefulness!
A copycat Lungu is kissing the dust, because eyes see what they look upon and ears, steady as to listen.
So far on genuine media outlets, the Hero of Humanity, Hope & Health ~>HH is clearly winning. Most bloggers and echoes of the ground , alotof people have now waken up from their PF slumber of 90 days lies. After waking up, they found no new constitution and penniless in their pockets. Their. Donchi Kubeba sickness is judging PF harshly.
Kekekeke, 13 days left for poor PF.
Dora you are just RB’s girlfriend…so stop yapping.
in the likes of VJ , Dora u need to keep quiet , we r tired of our relatives dying coz of poor medical care, corruption, MMD failed so we need no lecture from u. Thnx
HH for 2036, viva!!!
PF Kuya bebele mune.
The earlier you accept defeat the better for you all.
EL and RB has been rejected in the Eastern Province. They thot they’d pull a ka tribal card but the farmers have said ABASH PF.
Noti na ma MP’s Phiri na Kalima.
Viva #FlightHH2015.
@Bazungu.
Booooring! You’ve written the same thing 10 times. It wasn’t clever the first time, it isn’t now. Sha!
We’re ready fir your next attempt.
Hmmmmm……
I hate tribal talk,….
But,…. When did UPND have a bad candidate?! I’m Bemba, but i believe HH is far from bad!
So what if you are Bemba iwe chigili!! dont be that careless to think that Bembas are so hopeless to condermn any Tonga person just because one is Tonga
uli wamusebanya. nindo cikopulibula ukuba umu bemba. wilatusebanya iyoo.
@Black Thought
You and me both. I can’t believe there are so many primitive people with computers!
Spot on Dora. Southern Province is indeed UPND. I am sure even if UPND had no candidate and just left the candidature to a UPND symbol, the symbol alone would win in Southern province, reflecting the rigidity of the people in that province. This is unfortunately the truth on the ground.
Those of us that have had the opportunity to work in Southern Province will tell you that these people should not be allowed to rule this country. How do they expect support when they can’t support others.
You cannot even be a beer club chairman in southern. They will insist they need their own. I have had traumatic experiences in that Province.
Please Zambia, Please. Don’t vote UPND.
kikikikikiki, this is kikiest, ati even if there was no candidate they would vote for the symble only, kikiest indeed !!!
So why hasn’t UPND been given a seat ( MP) in Luapula, Northern and Eastern since it was formed in 2001. Don’t bury your head in the sand. The evil of tribalism has reached alarming levels. We all need deliverance.
@Zambian, ati we all need deliverance. Buti Kwena.
Casting out tribal demons.
Jokes aside. You have hit the nail on the head.
Viva #Zambian.
Your level of reasoning and knowledge base are both very shallow.
Do a bit of literature review before you expose your illiteracy levels and you find that in 1991 Southern Province gave Chiluba a Bemba 91%. Five years later, in 1996 Southern Province gave Chiluba the highest votes in the country.
I cannot remember when Muchinga, Northern and Luapula voted for a leader from Southern province?
May be you went there with that stupid Bemba mentality of trying to dominate people in their area. Tongas and Lozis are not like those docile tribes that are bullied by bembas on the Copperbelt and Central provinces. Is there a UPND MP in Eastern province? Has a non-easterner ever won parliamentary elections in Eastern Province? I doubt? has a non-southerner ever won parliamentary elections in Southern Province? Yes. This silly siliya must not open a can of worms because everyone knows how tribal easterners are.
That just how LOW you can always go. You just want to be Beer chairman not even PTA or Golf Club Chairman. So what can you tell me.
I’m Bemba from Kasama Panesuluka.
TRIBAL, TRIBAL, KANSHI WHOSE TRIBAL
LUSAKA PROVINCE – PEOPLE SPEAK BEMBA AND NYANJA
CENTRAL PROVINCE – BEMBA AND NYANJA
KOPALA – BEMBA
NORTH WEST – BEMBA, KAONDE, LUVALE,KALUNDA
LUAPULA – BEMBA AND AUSHI
MUCHINGA – BEMBA
NORTHERN – BEMBA
WESTERN – LOZI AND NYANJA
SOUTHERN – NJANJA, BEMBA AND TONGA
EASTERN – NYANJA
SO WHO IS TRIBAL
@7 From your blog it clearly shows that you are not up to notch. May be that’s why you had a problem working in “Southern province.”
Why do I say that you are the most dull person?
1. I am not Tonga but hail from Southern Province and I have never met you. So what do you mean that you worked in “Southern Province?”
2. Southern Province is a Province, Bwana and I would want you to tell us how you were able to work in all the town posts, districts, and cities to label everyone from that Province, tribal.
3. You and your kind such as Dora lack in critical analysis.
4. Southern Province is made up of different ethnic tribes; Tongas, Lozis, Gobas etc.
You and your Dora should do a bit of research to avoid wasting your energies blogging trash.
Dora’s facts are not correct. In 1991 Southern Province gave MMD 91%, In 1996 they gave MMD (Chiluba) the highest votes. UPND first contested election in 2001, which is less 14 years ago. The candidate UPND fielded in 2001 (Mazoka) was considered the best candidate at that time. Does it mean Dora wanted those people in Southern Province to vote for a candidate of lower caliber? The engineer of tribalism, Chiluba is gone and we should burry it. Dora seems to be dull.
@Insaka, I agree with you. Dora’s discussion is full of hate and tribalism itself and this has blinded her from the truth, typical of PF supporters. Dora claims votes were divided in Eastern province among different candidates in 2001. However, she has forgotten that three of the four parties she mentioned were run by Easterners. This is what explains the sharing of the votes between Tembo (FDD), Miyanda (HP) and whoever stood for UNIP! Mwanawasa’s votes were less than the combined votes for their fellow easterners. Dora, check that tribalism!
Second, UPND only came into being in 1998; how then has it participated in elections for 22 years?! And just like PF, UPND can be said to be an offshoot of MMD. Mazoka was a Councillor for Bauleni. Don’t cheat pipo Dora, u have come out more…
may be because Baldwin Nkumbula was in MMD then.
I think ba Dora bavokako ifyamano lelo. Its true the Easterners don’t know tribe. Dora’s statement should be challlenged with data and stats like she has done
Dora Siliya has puked what you Bembas call amafi. Read comments on 9 and 9.1 above and you will know that what Dora has said is really masipa.
Good reasoning Dora. Things would have been different if UPND had followed the due process of their constitution and allowed either Patric Chisanga or Sakwiba sikota to stand as they where vice presidents to Andy then. This with the voting pertains of southern province in the past elections exemplify the tribal characteristic. Actually western province is even better than southern province when it comes to voting.
very true. these Upnd people cant think out of the tribe box. let Any ways let (HH) be buried in defeat. he cant even smile, all he has is a satanic grimace.
Dora your cases are still in court you think we are stupid not to know why you are campaigning for Edgar Lungu? You, RB are very corrupted people pf has blown it big time to work with you the voters will sort them out.
Bloggers here is a new slogan to use:
“Ifintu ni Lungu. Umuntu in HH”
Umuntu means well. Vote for Umuntu HH.
Ifintu means no vision. I don’t know if PF really knew what where up to when coming up with their slogan. That’s what happens when Gods time comes. There is confusion in the camp of PF. The prophecy is that soon other PF members will stop campaigning for Edgar Lungu. Total confusion.
God’s time is the best. God has heard the prayers from faithful Christians to liberate this country from abject poverty and restore it where it is supposed to be.
HH is the chosen one to lead this country.
The UPND constitution says the president of UPND shall be tonga. The two vice presidents cannot be tonga. Imagine these five letters t.o.n.g.a included in the constitution! What a shame!
Edgar C. lungu is certainly not the best candidate but we are choice less. In the circumstances, he is better.
Tonga’s will even carry Pangas and axes in their land threatening non-Tongas.
I have been threated with an axe before for no reason.
Even mediation in Tonga land is unlike it happens elsewhere. There a Tonga wins regardless of who is right between a Tonga and non-Tonga.
“It’s not a secret that some sections of the province have even gone on to state that the UPND is for Tongas only”.
Without any fear or favor, the above sentence is the reason why Zambians are skeptical voting for UPND.
Southern Province is the base for UPND. It is normal for UPND to defend its base all these years otherwise UPND could have died as a party. One has to look at how the party was formed. MMD was formed by a different groupings from all regions and thus spread in all parts of the country. That is why when Rupiah inherited MMD, Eastern province was not the base of MMD. PF had its base in Luapula and you can see it has similar pattern to UPND. Both UPND and PF where formed by individuals from different regions and that is why have bases which people say are tribal. That is not true. Contrary, a party without a base easily disappears once it loses power or if it does not get the presidency. wait and see what will happen to MMD. Dora analysis is thus shallow. Even in the army base is crucial.
Wrong. The PF had bases in Lusaka and Copperbelt
PF ISNT FROM LUAPULA BUT MUCHINGA. DO YOU KNOW GEOGRAPHY OF THE COUNTRY YOU? SHALLOW CHAP! WHERE DOES LUNGU COME FROM? AM SURE YOU WILL SAY LUAPULA PROVINCE.
Those Tongas who do not belv in other tribes will learn a lesson after 20 th January. HH sold our companis and pocketed our monies he opposed all sata did including minimum wage and salary increase for govt workers. Today he has demonstrated how much hate he has for Bembas by sending pangas to kasama.
S.tupid thinking, stop your tribal card, we are all Zambians….who was the president and where was he when HH was selling companies?
Were the pangas in Kasama used on anyone? they were in a car…..
PF kaponyos have used pangas on other people and they have even killed.
Unip- east
Mmd has been destroyed by RB
Pf has been destroyed by Lungu
It is all because of ‘wako ni wako’ syndrome started by RB when he was Lusaka Governor.
The fact that every tribe accuses other tribes of being tribal while every tribe refuses the accusations proves all of us are not tribal. If we were tribal there would have been no inter-tribal marriages. Racists don’t allow other races to marry into their races. Every place where racism existed there were laws written or unwritten that banned interracial marriages. At the level of politics preferences kick in and we vote for people we are more comfortable with. Even if members oftofthe same family stood one would lose because of preferences.
Mind-boggling! RB has bought PF. RB has given Lungu two planes and a chopper.
Sata really must be spinning in his grave that RB has completely wiped out the PF structure around Edgar Lungu and has taken over PF.
What is surprising me is that true PF senior members boonse ‘bali ndwii’ while RB is politically refashioning PF to what he wants.
Who, from PF can challenge RB when he is bankrolling Lungu? He will simply tell them; “imwe, fuseki ni ndalalma za PF Lungu is using”. He has put it very clearly that he is not campaigning for PF but Lungu. But why campaign for Lungu not Nevers Mumba?
Where is the voice of Muchinga, Northern, and Luapula to speak out when RB, Dora and Muhabi are taking over PF on purely tribal lines?
This is indeed a classic. PF senior members…
where are you? You mean you will just let PF slip down into RB’s pocket, just like that?
Where is the pride of Muchinga, Northern and Luapula provinces?
The end of Sata’s PF and the invention of RB’s PF is indeed comical.
Iwe, Sara. Remember that RB and Sata used to eat nshima together prepared by RB’s mother. Sata did not prosecute RB but the cartel did. At this moment, RB’s support is mostly welcome in PF because EL will get 90%++ from Eastern province. With 80% from CB and 70% from Lusaka, EL has keys to plot one
ati natwikala ndwii!! whatever that insolence!! PF is not a regional party. You seem to condemn PF to Luapula, Muchinga, Northern. No it’s for all with strong holds in Luapula, Muchinga, Northern, Lusaka, Copperbelt, Central. And for grabs in Western.
Sara, you cannot ask us our feelings about RB’s endorsement of Edgar. For us, it is a plus. No one is hijacking PF for a song. Just continue campaigning for your candidate and leave us alone. We know we are winning and that is your worry. Viva Lungu, Viva RB, long live PF.
kachineo. Get out you unprincipled bunkums.
EL THE NEXT SIXTH PRESIDENT…..GOD BLESS ZAMBIA
Yes, because Zambia is cursed EL will be the next president. What an unlucky country Zambia is to be ruled by a drunkard just after being ruled by a brazen tribalist. Oh dear!
Who did the southerners vote for in 1991 and 1996? Chiluba. A good percentage voted for Banda in 2008 and 2011. But did you call them tribal? No, because it suited you. Also in the last two presidential elections easterners voted for Banda, is that tribal?
In Eastern, Muchinga, Northern and Luapula, HH got ‘insultingly’ low votes compared to votes Sata got in Southern province. Why is Dora not calling the northerners tribal if that is her definition of tribal? Hypocrite twit who is myopic and thinks everyone is that dull. I honestly thought Dora was intelligent until now.
UPND IS TRIBAL BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY PARTY THAT DECLARED TO THE WHOLE OF ZAMBIA THAT UPND CAN ONLY BE LED BY A TONGA. AND THEY HAVE MAINTAINED THAT DECREE.
Miss Siliya, get your facts right before you mislead people.
@Pointer Peter u get yo facts right! Madam Dora Siliya Bokosi is right on this one.
She is a former ZNBC employee. What else did you expect from her apart from practicing ZNBC expertise of misleading people.
Dora baby , you are very right . That’s why us Zambians we will leave the Tongas to vote for their son HH a Tonga in keeping with their declaration “ONLY A TONGA CAN BE PRESIDENT OF UPND” . But we are happy HH cant be president of Zambia. Amen.
Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia.
It is not surprising when Dora speaks of tribe when in the company of the most tribal Zambia has ever had, in the person of RB. RB whilst campaigning in Eastern Province in 2011 giving out sugar told those in attendance that they should not vote for any person who is not from Eastern Province.
Just three days ago the MC at the RB/EL’s endorsement which Dora attendant told those in the gathering that “they should vote for their own”. What do you call this? To Dora this is not being tribal, my foot!
I think this country is embued with a lot of educated fools who want to be seen like they know everything.
I wish to challenge Dora on two things:
1. Has Eastern Province have had an MP who is from another tribe?
2. When Mpezeni and the other chief refused to meet HH, what was it?
From all the 11 Presidential candidates I ve observed one thing,
1.Chanda Eric M
2.Chipimo Elias CM
3.Kaunda Tilyenji C
4.Lungu Edgar C
5.Miyanda Godfrey K
6.Mumba Nevers S
7.Nawakwi Edith Z
8.Pule Daniel M
9.Sinkamba Peter C
10.Sondashi Ludwig S
11.Hakainde Hichilema 00
Kodi Munyamata uyu eve alibe zina lyapamunkombo. Even all the five former Presidents had but eve kaya kodi ni mu Zambian. No wonder he is going to cry after 20th January.
You are an idi0t – with all due respect, you are.
Good observation @ Mighty Shansha. HH is unique among all the Presidential Contenders not only by what you said but also this :
He is the only candidate who fits the description bellow very well.
Jubilee / Windows 1964 > KK > UNIP.
Jubilee / Windows 2014 > HH > UPND.
Mathematically, KK / HH = 1 ( UNITY ). UNIP / UPND = I / D ( Independence for Unip, Development for Upnd.
To me this looks a very efficient programme upgrade because it is repeating a 50 year cycle. Another upgrade will be in 2064. They say history repeats itself.
Rejecting natural or divine programmes is possible but very counter- productive for a people in the long run.
Every thing or tribe has a purpose. Don’t say ” Can anything good come out of Southern Province ?” If they can…
Cry for JOY he definitely shall.
Viva #FlightHH2015.
Every political party gets tested when a founder dies.
UPND got a tribal Test when Mazoka died and failed miserably by choosing HH over Saki who to this day has refused to endorse HH
PF got a similar test and passed with flying colours by choosing Lungu over their own like SAMPA GYM Kambwili Kaseba etc.
Unfortunately UPND will not get a retest. Damage already done.
UPND will need to re brand and replace HH with either Ka pita or Na lu mango or Maureen mw an a was a ti get a national character. They badly need an outsider to survive going forward
Dora stop having sex with RB. yours sin will soon watch up with you . You steal money from my home town after having sex with james ndambo in china.we now you mama DORA
VIVA HH NEXT ZAMBIAN PRESIDENT CAME 20 JAN 2015.
“By extent ion, when their leader dies that Party must be able to find a replacement within the Party to continue the term as it does even in nearby Malawi”.
Dora Siliya’s explanation for her support for Lungu and PF is becoming more convoluted and doesn’t make sense. She is now accusing the Tongas in Southern Province of voting on tribal basis. She doesn’t accept that the Eastern Province has been a stronghold of UNIP at one time in the past. Was this based on tribe? It is in the nature of politics that political parties have stronghold for various reasons. Unfortunately Zambian politics is not based on strong ideological basis. PF has its stronghold in Luapula, Northern and Muchinga provinces, why doesn’t Dora Siliya accuse the Bembas of voting on tribal basis.
Dora is very right It is very sad to have a tribe like these tongas after 50 years after independence.them as long as you are tonga they will vote for you. I live in Lusaka and I Have never find a tonga who is not UPND.
Lungu is the next president because I say so. No one will change my mind.
Dora must accept tat Tribalism has caught up with Easterners, Southerners voted for Chiluba, Mwanawasa until HH came on scene as best candidate for them.
Its not a screte tat Sata was not a good candidate as such Southerners could be convinced to vote for a thug.!
Unlike others, Southerners want the best & they know what is good for them and the country at large.
Therefore, if Dora has made a wrong move and now want to accuse others, it wont work.
Tongas will not be bothered by mere political schemes to win sympathy. Southern Province is home to every one and none has ever been victimized on tribal grounds, why is it Tribal when is politics.?
Those who feel HH is best shall vote on 20 Jan.
The only best thing Southerners want is TONGA…That’s where the problem is…Many people would not want to vote for PF but because UPND is a Southerners party, TONGA party.
Dora is very right It is very sad to have a tribe like these tongas after 50 years of independence to them as long as you are tonga they will vote for you. I live in Lusaka and I Have never find a tonga who is not UPND.
So you are discriminating against HH because Tongas are supporting him? Your reasoning is terrible. I thought you would say he is a bad candidate.
Just some corrections:
1. Luapula has had UPND coucillors.
2. PF was not formed from Luapula as Sata did not come from Luapula but from Muchinga.
Crowds come to attend Vodka’s rallies and disperse very disappointed. They get home and reflect on Vodka’s speeches and resolve to say he is useless and wasting our time. They then resolve to turn to a promising option of HH. With this scenario, how can Vodka win?
Many say “I went to Vodka’s rally to prove that the man is a retard who has no vision for the country”.
Others say “We have already made up our mind to try another party headed by HH. We attend Vodka’s rallies because they hire musicians to entertain people. With joblessness and boredom, Vodka’s rallies are ideal not necessarily that we support him. BY used musicians too to entertain people for which huge crowds attended his rallies but he lost lamentably in 2001 elections. He only came out with one MP in Chongwe,…
@Jojo, you have made me laugh by what you have written about late BY.
Ati “BY used musicians too to entertain people for which huge crowds attended his rallies but he lost lamentably in 2001 elections. He only came out with one MP in Chongwe,…”
Is that Sylvia Masebo?
Resisting the temptation to quibble, I find that this analysis (opinion) by Dora is off!
Politics is like a teetertotter with some on the left end and some on the right end. Agreement moves the two towards the fulcrum, closer togetner, in balance. Desention moves them out causing more radical or violent motion. The more people there are on one end, the greater the move outward on the other end to compensate. My expectation is that as we learn how to better govern ourselves we will all reach the fulcurm and leave the teetertotter arm in arm, a united human world, but we cannot rush the process, it must evolve.
Well said Madam Dora bokosi.
There is nothing wrong for Southerners to support their own tribesman and the same goes for Easterners. Why should you want other tribes to vote for you and yet your tribe won’t vote for other tribes. EL and RB are being accused that they went to boko haram to get funds for campaigns, where is HH, Nevers, Sondashi and the rest getting their campaign funds from. As Zambians we do not know who is funding their campaigns and what they have promised their financiers. There are 11 candidates and yet only 1 is being talked about. Why is it an issue who Dora and RB supports and yet you are quite about the PF and MMD MPs who are campaigning for HH, are they not looking for jobs. Chiziwamila imwe. Leave Dora and RB alone you morons. E. Chitika was right about you Southerners.
Musa, RB and Edgar went to Nigeria that’s where you find Boko Haram, HH went to South Africa, no Boko Haram there and people were saying HH is selling the country to South African businessmen. Its just that we have moved on from discussing HH’s source of funding to RB’s sources. You should be paying attention, where have you been while people were discussing HH?
So fanny how people can be fooled easily. A will ago PF promised to change the country in 90 days.
And a while ago, eastern farmers were not paid & they were all crying , ‘Paya farmer!’ They have forgotten.
Sister Dora please its unwise for you to start provoking other tribes. It goes to show how hollow your reasons for supporting the PF are. Who does not know that KK is not from Muchinga but Malawi? Who does not know that when every province changed Eastern Province stuck with UNIP because KK was perceived as Easterner bacause his roots in Malawi are closer to Eastern province. That aside we also know that the apparent political divisions is as a result of local tribal politics that make other tribes feel inferior to the Ngonis which make these tribes not to support each other. We allknow that RB was not supported by Mpezeni because he is not Ngoni. Please its your democratic right to endorse a candidate of your own. Don’t provoke other tribes please! Ati chino chaka nikumawa! Shame!
dora is lying UPND has been in existence for 16 years which 22 is she talking about. Tongas are the least tribal. I am nsenga and I want to affirm that easterners are more tribal, they voted for unip in 1991 because Kaundas come from Malawi, 2001 voted for FDD and HP because CT and GM hail from there. 2006 mwanawasa has to use RB to earn some vote. 2008 and 2011 went for RB. Tongas gave Kaunda the presidency in unip. the tongas supported Kaunda for one part state despite nkumbula having maximum support.
I can only say unequivocally
Shame on you Dora Siliya. Shame.
@jessie wa…….No shame on u for being blind
Jessie wa ku Monze, Pretty, Mei Muntanga do you people have meaningful jobs? Or are the rumors we are hearing correct, “that UpDn has employed people whose job is to blog”. Frankly I find most of your comments to be rubbish and childish. Under 5 material.
I notice your style of writing is the same. To me, that means there are less than 3 of you UpDn bloggers and that you keep on changing your names.
PLEASE FIND OUT FOR ME FROM YOUR HH(Sam) WHY HE WAS SUSPENDED FROM UNZA IN SECOND YEAR. WAS IT NOT FOR CHEATING DURING EXAMS?
WE DONT WANT A SATANIST WHO IS ALSO AN EXAM CHEAT TO RULE ZAMBIA.
Could someone update us on Mwebantu Media’s highly publised on-line elections polls. They said results will be announce on 5th Jan, alas today is 6th and it is still quiet…..
HH 58.something and EL has 39. chakuti. The rest are not worthy mentioning. Its becuase HH won their poll thats why they are quiet
Dora Dora, supposing your allegations are true, how does your approach help to solve the problem and move Zambia forward? Actions speak louder than words and your actions Dora speak volumes!
Let us debate issues and not tissues! There are more important issues to discuss than tribe. My observation is that it is the cheap politicians who talk tribe!
Tribalism is as dangerous as racism and we need a Law that forbids the use of the T-word! It reminds me of the racism some Zambians subjected Guy Scot to. If a white Zambian sits on the throne, you call it colonialism. Similarly, when Easterners vote for RB, it is not tribalism. It is only tribalism when Tongas vote for a Tonga by virtue of that Tonga being the best candidate!
Remember: The three fingers are pointing back at Dora!
What is wrong with voting for someone from the same province? All of the world including America, people will vote amass for candidate if he/she comes from that region. Whether you like it or not Edgar is winning; hence your misery. Just accept that fact and move on people.
Who said easterners are tribal? we are saying Mrs Muliokela (aka Dora), R. Banda, M. Lungu and E. Lungu are a tribal cartel. Ask the actual MMD president Nevers Mumba who called them a cartel. We got rid of the likes of Banda and Mrs Muliokela for a reason why would we want them back in the green of PF instead of the blue of MMD. Don’t include hardworking farmers and others in eastern province in your tribalism dora we are talking about you.
@Stanley ati Mrs Muliokela aka 🙂 🙂
“The entire MMD District and Constituency officials in Katete have refused to campaign for Patriotic Front candidate Edgar Lungu in the forthcoming Presidential elections”
The above statement is copied from the ZWD, supporting what Dora is talking about: That eastern can support other candidates forsaking their own.
Can Southern Province show us a similar case in their province.
Dora you are right.
Eastern, like Southern, is just as tribal as Northern and Luapula. This tribal talk expired long ago. Dora Siliya must be drunk with Lungu wine – watch-out. They call it vodka.
This is the gospel truth by Dora Siliya!thats why i strongly pity dull politicians like GBM,Felix Mutati,Nalumango for wasting their time and energy campaigning for a tribal party UPND which has no kind words for other tribes!DONT BE USED BY HH,OPEN YOUR EYES!HH AND HIS TONGA TEAM SHALL NEVER SUPPORT OR ALLOW U TO BE UPND PRESIDENT,NEVER!SO WHY VOTE FOR SUCH A TRIBAL PARTY?NEVER IN MY LIFE WILL I VOTE FOR UPND AGAIN! I VOTED FOR UPND UNDER MAZOKA AND ITS OVER!GO PF GO AND IFINTU NI LUNGU”!!!!
Ine nabang’anda yandi natusalapo ukuvotela HH pantu eukwete amano elyo ashingulwike nabamano. Tenama soya na Dora single sourcing that EL has surrounded himself with
You are making a lot of sense Dora.
That’s Good Dora Tulewina ba PF viva EL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tutu you are a fool
Dora Siliya is effectively trying to incite the Easterners to emulate their “Tonga tribal cousins” (I know they are not) to vote along tribal lines. By so doing, is she not preaching TRIBALISM?
No one chooses where to be born from, therefore no body and i mean nobody has the right to pull down another because of tribe, Dora, Mpezeni and Bwezani supporting Lungu is perceived okey but Mukuni supporting Hakainde is sin….??
You hyprocrite! How I wish this country could divide the 10 provinces into 10 Countries. Sick and tired of this tribal talk from people who all of a sudden feel they are the owners of mother Zambia.
Man go hang if you cant bear it that your HH-UPND will lose this election coz HH will be voted by his fellow Tongas as usual. There were some people from other tribes who were ready to vote for HH but coz your chiefs have reminded them that a Tonga will Vote for a Tonga, they have changed and now they will vote for Lungu.
It pains but this is the truth. Amen.
Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia.
And if the Easterners are not really tribal, why have all the MMD MPs from Eastern Province abandoned Nevers Mumba in his hour of greatest need? Dora Siliya herself, Muhabi Lungu and Rupiya Banda, all of them Easterners, have been the architects of Nevers Mumba’s downfall in MMD. I believe Easterners are just as tribal, if not more tribal than the Southerners.
Talk about their recent endorsements of Edgar Lungu, a PF presidential candidate. Why may that not be perceived as tribal considering that Eastern Province has, all this time been an MMD stronghold? Can Dora Siliya tell us who in Eastern Province has endorsed Nevers Mumba, the official MMD presidential candidate? Suppose it had been RB instead of Mumba, would they not have rallied behind him? Is that not TRIBALISM?
I will not vote for any drunkard to decide my future. Its HH for me and my family!
It is not true that all MMD MPs in eastern Province have abandoned Nevers.
The bottom-line is that southerners are tribal. Even in companies, how can you have a company comprising the same tribe from security guard to CEO. This is true for companies led by Tongas in Lusaka.
I challenge you Tongas to show me a company where the CEO is tonga and where 98% of the employees are not Tongas.
I could give many examples of such companies but I will let the bloggers do their own research on this. Just Identify a Tonga CEO or MD and walk through the gates to the premises and you will be shocked. From Guard to the last man in command, only one tribe will be there. They may just consider a Lozi sweeper.
Because Nevers Mumba was told by his own party that he did not stand a chance of winning. Nevers has never taken advice from any body within his own party. Even before the elections the majority of MPs in MMD had stopped recognising Nevers as the leader of the party.
What pathetic humbug most people are pillaging here is simply disgusting – starting with the Dora whose understanding of nations and tribes seems disgustingly whorely virginal ( lol ) ! Free lesson in african history; african peoples lived as NATIONS for the most, the muzungu came and then defined dialects into tribes. Provinces like ALL african borders are colonial-administrative units with noregard to nations and peoples: ci-Dora is whorely wrong like most yapping dimies here: If u think Mwinelubemba is a chief, if u think Mpezeni is a chief, Mwata Kazembe, The Litunga etc, if u think Bantu Botatwe is a tribe, that the “subjects” of african LEADERS are tribes then dwell further in yo whore-rid colonial brain-wash !! Never EQUATE boma-fide entities with african realities stup*****s !!
@jessie wa mu town I completely agree with you about these copy and paste boko harams! They dont even read the heading before posting! Worse when they post the same thing all over again! Reminds me o EL copy and pasting HH speaches!
Ba DORA DONT LIE we kno the HISTORY OF ZAMBIA VERY WELL though we were BORN YESTERDAY in 80s.
We KNOW you FEAR TONGAS without any cause I BELIEV they ‘ARE JEWS of ZAMBIA’ and most of them are LEARNED they are a BLESSED TRIBE, GOD has blessed them ALOT.
I will BE MUTE for peace’s sake I LOVE MY ZAMBIA. PERSONALLY I passed tht level of TRIBAL TAG: But I have this QUESTION.
WHERE WAS THE “FIRST CAPITAL” OF ZAMBIA ? Was it not in Southern ? Even LUSAKA itself is in TONGA-LAND. We kno your Unnecessary ‘FEARS’
SO DORA DONT BRING IDIOCY, you raise our tempers.
#FLIGHHH2015 HAPPY JUBILEE ZAMBIA.
Which education can Tonga boast about? The education and jobs of favouritism? You Tongas you employ your fellow Tonga, Go to UNZA, go to Agricultural colleges , etc , you favour your own. Please can GRZ look into this so that every Zambian should have equal opportunity? Amen.
Peace and Prosperity to Mother Zambia.
Anderson Hachisala, born in the 80s. No wonder you are for a tonga because you are also tonga, i can tell by the way you write. there is a tonga accent it.
@Sukisa Bango 59.2 !!
Let me tell you this:
Anderson (Thats Mazoka’s first name). and Chisala( My Step Dad’s surname) But I wont tell you my tribe !!!.
#FLIGHTHH2015.
Dora should be the last person to talk about a speck in someone else’s eye ignoring the log in her own eye. If I were her, I would feel ashamed to do that, meaning I would try by all means correct my own situation first.
But then, if one looks at the reasons given for supporting HH especially by farmers all over Zambia and Southern province just happens to be a major farming area, one would be naive to think that farmers can be happy with the current govt’s agriculture policies.
Time to look at issues not always tribe Dora ehee! grow-up, and try to apply some sensible analysis in your articles. Senseless politicking is not good.
Having such politicians who are barely educated like Dora is a danger. For those who think, yes, she was UNZA, ask again how she got there and let’s check her performance.., a mature who most likely used her bottom poor to earn her through to where she stands today. A politician with the guts to say Southern Province is tribal does not deserve any room in the present day world, only a in Zambia where people who think with their tummy may consider it valid point. She could have picked any province, Western, North Western, Luapula or Northern, and it still would be the same! You NEVER promote division as leader but unity in diversity. I am sorry for the little minds that see a point the rubbish she wrote. A lack of brains or a weak mind only thinks that way.
Just because she has not endorsed your candidate it has become an issue? Anyway, Dora is intelligent and she knows that Edgar will win by a landslide. You get that?
HH’s opponents have found nothing to pin him down on except cheat people that he’s tribal. Southern province voted for MMD in the first ever democratic elections and thereafter. Now that they have seen potential in HH, they are tribal! This bed wetting woman should shut up her mouth! So we should vote for her fellow drunk so that our beautiful country can go to the dogs again and our children will continue to suffer? Whatever you say it’s HH come 20 January.
We will see about that Maria.
To be HONEST UPND should lock ths “Trio” Nyama Soya, Kachasu man and Mrs Boxi Siliya. THIS is TREASON IN the making to b candid I am so hurt they are tearing THE DEMOCRACY THE COUNTRY has been building for the Past years. We kno there are 4Blocks viz
1. Southern
2. Northern
3.Eastern
4.Western
BUT THE SOUTHERN and NORTHERN ve been priviledged ABOVE other two(2) because of easy movements i.e RAILWAY and the Roads tht connect them. Thats what makes them BOAST of being ‘more’ than other.
The three(3) CANT THE WHOLE OF ZAMBIA.
Hachisala, you are not worried that sanity has come to PF tefyo. You celebrated when Edgar was being persecuted by division in PF. for your information, that is what God does to the ones He has chosen. Some of us have seen God’s hand over Edgar. We call it Divine Favour.
Dora you are the worst tribalist. You insulted Nevers Mumba and you left him because he is bemba not and Easterner.
Ms. Dora tell us the meaning when you say, mwana wa mama, wako ni wako a phrase from your tribe in eastern province. Remove tribalism vote for a right person who will help to improve the lives of the Zambian people .
In 2001 I ignorantly voted for Mazoka but ever since I realised how tribal the Tongas are, I will never in my life make that mistake again. Ever since UPND came into being, they have never voted for anyone else. This time I am with PF and I know EL will take the day. I can vote for any other tribe in Zambia but not Tongas because they will never vote for my tribesman.DORA I salute you, you are spot on. Viva PF and you are welcome.
PF CHEATED IN 2011 AND WE SHOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO CHEAT AGAIN
VOTE HH ON 20TH JAN.
Tribalism. Iam very disappointed with the chiefs of southern province , honestly how can they go publically and endorse their son HH, Zambia is very big and for one to be president he must get an average votes in most provinces, don`t you know that Southern province chiefs have de campaign HH to other provinces, even people not Tonga who wanted HH have changed mind just because of that, Be like the wise chiefs from the east only one chief has said that the rest quite. let me warn you people from southern province with that thinking you will never have a president from your area please change for the better. We know we have people from Southern who are capable of ruling this nation better but due to your arrogance and carless talking and your power angriness you will find it difficult.
Unfortunately, that’s who they are, tribal period. Now imagine a Tonga being president of ZAMBIA, if you are not one of them, your children will suffer like slaves in their own country. Even today, just take a research, where a Tonga is a manager in an organization, literally everyone they employ is from Southern Province.
This tribal thing is very real with UPND. Even HH, the wife is very Tonga, Mutinta Mazoka for your own information. These guys have no heart for other tribes. Don’t forget that they have openly declared that UPND is for TONGAS only.
Vote EDGAR LUNGU and PF which embraces everyone!
Wako ni wako…….! Mpezeni ?
WRONG DATES SOS: Which are the wrong dates referred to on new voter’s cards? If it is the date of issue, I also have a wrong date on my just replaced voter’s card as being 27 March 2010, and I’m in Lusaka. I believe this is the same for all replacement cards in Lusaka Central. I took it that this is what is contained in the database!
Is there a big problem with this?
@ pretty
You seem to have eyes but can’t see, ears but don’t hear, legs but don’t walk! Look friend, you can sulk, insult or hate but the truth still remains, EDGAR Lungu is the 6th Republican President.
Wherever you have been he is pulling huge crowds regardless of him starting his campaigns late. If I were you, I would come out the box and do some introspection. Tongas are tribal without doubt no wonder majority of Zambians don’t like you and will never vote for you.
Dora is being factua and her claims are supported by evidence. Going the registered voters, your candidate will only receive 23% whilst EDGAR wil gunner 70%.
This is already set and nothing will change it.
Viva EDGAR Chagwa Lungu
@Salaula !!
Even if politics are amoral BUT GOD EXPECTS A LITTLE bit of MORALITY. EVEN in the time of Daniel(Bible History) GOD permitted somethings to happen & SOME HE COULDN’T. Edgar bulldozed to be a PATRIOTIC ‘PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE’ he is NOT even the PRESIDENT OF PF.
Thats how foolish he can be ! He is NOT MAKING it, his crookedness ended just there at party LEVEL not NATIONAL. Get this; all those Father Bwalya et al are MUTE as I write .THEY have come to realise tht there is NO sense in the ‘furtive’ Kachasu man whose BRAIN GOT DAMAGED DUE to ALCOHOL ‘ABUSE’.
Fellow Zambians, HH has not served in any position in government and as such he will depend mostly on advice from people like VJ and the likes. You should expect a lot of by-elections because MMD MPs will be included in his government, hence parliament will be total war. Dr. Never Mumba and his group will not just accept that there MPs be used hence by-elections, recalling of diplomats, change of office bearers to accommodate those campaigning for him and therefore the activities will be too many for the projects to be completed. The cost of changing government is very high.Let every Zambian think otherwise and allow PF complete their term and then come 2016, depending on how they perform, elect another party, that way UPND can campaign and increase the number of MPs in parliament .
Dora got a job at ZNBC because of his father was one of the managers .(nepotism). Why can’t you support another candidate apart from lungu?With due respect why are you bringing in tribal comments? Look at ANC Mandela, Mbeki and Kalema all Xhosas. Did other South AFricans ask why eastern cape tribe is ruling them. Did easterners not vote for these leaders fearing to be labelled as tribal? Zambian politics have gone to the dogs. Why must I not stand for a post for the fear of being labelled tribalist when my tribal mate vote for me. Any where you go in a democratic society ,people are free to exercise their voting rights. These are cheap politics. Continue supporting your tribal mate lungu it is your right and we respect it. I will support HH. I am a proud Tonga.
I will not discuss the rationality or lack of it of Dora Siliya. All I can say is that she has joined the ‘hall of fame’ with the likes of this MMD lady Elizabeth Chitika to advance such a subject to woo votes.
My worry is that when such views comes from mothers like the two ladies, who are supposed to be the custodians of humanity, what does the future hold for our country?
How would it feel if you heard such comments from Gracia Machel, Winnie Mandela, Oprah Winfrey,Malala Yousefzai and Michelle Obama? Mothers must always be careful and ensure they must build relationships than divide, breach boarders than breach peace.
Nawakwi is on the right path.
HH told the people of North Western province that money from their province was being channelled to Muchinga province. Tell me was his statement not tribal?
…If they can multiply cattle very well so can they companies.
Ni ulule vinangu ?
@Mwine munzi. How many copper mines has Mchinga got? None! How many Universities has Mchinga got? 3!
Now, how many mines has N/W got? Many! How many Universities has N/W got? None!
Is this a tribal statement? Come off it!
Dora your observation is correct. To spice your opinion, I would bring out some simple questions: Why was National Party only concentrated in this part of the country and never got into other regions? Why is it that UPND represents itself in parliament only from this part of the country even after about 14 years of its existence? This is dangerous. Your choice to endorse Hon. Lungu is a wise one, after all, why should one endorse a losing candidate? You are educated and you have access to information and you know that Hon. Edgar Lungu will carry the day. So you have to go that way. It is also important to note out of this discussion that these guys the gbm and others that have endorsed HH have made a wise decision. It is a wise decision because, they can be a thorn in the government of E.L
Dora, if you had not supported Lungu I would have given your claims a benefit of doubt. If you were not tribal why did you not support any of the following candidates: Nawakwi, a fellow woman, educated, intelligent and enterprising; Chipimo, Dr. Sondashi, Dr. Mumba or Dan Pule?
For your information, UPND was formed in 1998, it was not therefore possible for Southern Province to have voted for UPND in 1996. In 1991 and 1996 Southern Province, including HH, voted for Chiluba who was Bemba.
Why did M. Lungu and Chembe turn against Dr. Mumba in support of Mr. Banda? Were they not being tribal?
By accusing Southern Province of being tribal while you are supporting Lungu makes you twice tribal than Southern Province.
Do not think that Zambians are dull.
Its very tribal and dangerous for HH to tell voters in N/Western that money made from there is being spent in Muchinga!this is a hate statement which can make N/westerners upset and fight Muchinga residents. HH’s campaign is very divisive!ITS A WELL KNOWN FACT THAT TONGAS ARE TRIBAL WHO’LL NEVER VOTE FOR A NON TONGA!SO WE NON TONGA MUST ALSO NEVER VOTE FOR HH TILL A NON TONGA IS ADOPTED ON UPND! VIVA PF AND BRAVO DORA,RB AND EDGAR LUNGU!