THE Nkoya Royal Council has welcomed President Edgar Lungu’s decision to subject the Barotseland Agreement of 1964 to discussions.
And Nkoya Royal Establishment representative David Tamboka said the Government must first meet the Nkoyas before they proceed to meet the Barotse activists.
Council regional chairman Shimunika Shamatunga accused the Government of listening to a section of the people of Western Province, instead of getting views from all the people.
He said the Barotseland Agreement controversy was not for the Lozis alone, but that all the ethnic groups in Western Province should be engaged so that all the views were heard.
Mr Shamatunga said since President Lungu had promised to visit Western Province soon to get first-hand information about the Barotseland Agreement, it would only be fair for him to engage the Nkoyas as well.
The Nkoyas accused the Government of siding with the Barotse Royal Establishment.
Mr Shamatunga alleged that Government had deliberately given a deaf ear to grievances from the Nkoyas due to the Barotse influence.
“We as Nkoyas are aware that our Government had deliberately given a deaf ear to our grievances due to the Barotse influence in Government masquerading as remnant of colonialism, whose continued presence is to ferment and perpetrate anarchy and exploitation of tribe over another at the expense of our hard won independence,” he said.
Mr Shamatunga said the Government should not in this day and age continue to sit by the fence and watch its people being abused and oppressed using state machinery like the colonialists did in the colonial era.
He said the Barotseland Agreement of 1964 was an oppressive legislation that continued to threaten and contradict the supreme law of the land. Mr Shamatunga said the people of Western Province had mixed feelings about the agreement and therefore the relevant authorities must handle the matter with caution.
“Actually, we as Nkoyas are opposed to the decision regarding the agreement because it appears to be in favour of one group, and we have been abused, which is not fair,” he said.
While in Egypt for the African Union summit, President Edgar Lungu announced that he would meet Barotseland activists to find a better way of resolving and settling the issues of the Barotseland Agreement.
He said he would soon travel to Western Province to get first-hand information about the Barotseland Agreement, saying he would ask the Barotse activists to show him where the boundaries were so that he could know who was involved and possibly hold a referendum on the issue in the area.
President Lungu said his Government was keen to engage concerned people and parties in dialogue so as to reach a consensus on contentious issues.
And Mr Tamboka said the Barotseland Agreement of 1964 was overtaken by event because only those who were close to the Litunga were benefiting at the expense of other groupings in the area.
“We are appealing to the Government to consider meeting us before they meet the Barotse activists because they are the same who want to take over everything at the expense of other ethnic groups,” he said.
Mr Tamboka explained that the issue was becoming boring because no one appeared to be willing to address the matter to satisfy all the affected parties.
There is no controversy here please people shut up! Cage secessionists!
The Nkoyas have their rights to speak and the future of Barotseland does not depend upon them Seriously.
Even though Nkoyas want to “refuse” its because some of them have been blindfolded by Gov’ts propagandized division.
Edgar Lungu got 48% of votes and HH 47%, 1% difference took Lungu to State House. So whoever is being mislead, represents a few minority of Nkoyas, of which Barotseland has more than 38 tribes.
There is no tribe in Barotseland which is more equal or royal than the other, they are all the same. Only visible difference is traditions. Lozi is not a tribe but a nation of more than the above mentioned tribes and Lozi is the lingua franca of all tribes of Barotseland. Sir Mwanawasa KBE III was half Nkoya.
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When is Edgar Lungu going on holiday? Its monday today, self-proclaimed government spokesman, Davies Chama need tell the nation what the president is doing.
@Skeleton
I absolutely agree with you. Nkoya’s you are our kith and kin. Dont allow the manyukunyuku to deceive you. We are all one people, totela, kwandi…kaufela aluna
Everyone has the right to speak and/or be visited by the President, but does the order matter?
I think it is impolite for you to ask the President to meet you first. The best you can ask for is for him to meet all the concerned parties at once or together.
After all, when he goes there, he is expected to meet the Litunga first. when he comes to Kaoma he will go to Naliyele, then Mutondo. In short, it is the chiefs first bwana.
Who is a Lozi?
Lozi is not tribe but a Nation. Barotseland tried to institute a democratic process of togetherness with people (Northern Rhodesians) who did not only know what democracy was, but also fell short of its principles.
There are 73 tribes in “Zambia” of which 34 are from Barotseland as follows;
1~Aluyi 2~Chokwe 3~Imilangu 4~Kwandi 5~Kwangwa 6~Kwamashi 7~Luvale 8~Lushange 9~Mbowe 10~Mafwe 11~Makwangwali 12~Maikwamakoma 13~Maliuwa 14~Mbukushu 15~Mbunda 16~Makwamwenyi 17~Mashasha 18~Mandundulu 19~Mayauma 20~Mambumi 21~Malukolwe 22~Makwengo 23~Mashanjo 24~Mananzwa 25~Makololo 26~Mandebu 27~Makwamulonga 28~Matotela 29~Mahumbe 30~Makwamwenyi 31~Nkoya 32~Nyengo 33~Simaa & 34~Sibia.
Ladies & Gentlemen prior 1830 Aluyi were the master tribe of Barotseland.
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As clarified above, there is no tribe in Barotseland that is called Lozi and therefore, Lozi is a nation, or a clan of the more than 34 tribes.
From today those who need & want recorded facts’ as well as history of both Barotseland & Northern Rhodesia, please feel free to interscholastic engaging me.
Otherwise I rest my case that indeed, Lozi is not a tribe but a Nation.
Tukongote Litunga Ni Lyetu!
Viva Barotseland viva la la la la land of our forefathers Barotseland. Viva the Barotseland Agreement 1964, facts will be faced with reality.
You can take a Lozi away from Barotseland but you CAN NOT take Barotseland away from a Lozi, surely thus the matter of Gods truth.
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IN ALL HONEST THE SOLUTION OF THE WESTERN PROVINCE ISSUE CALLED SO CALLED Barotseland Agreement DOES NOT LIE ON THE LOZIS ALONE. IT LIES IN ALL THE WESTERN PROVINCE PEOPLE. IN FACT THE NKOYAS SEEM TO HAVE THE NEEDED SOLUTION OF THIS ISSUE. IGNORING THE EXISTENCE AND IMPORTANCE OF THE NKOYAS IS A PROBLEM IN ITSELF. IN FACT IF YOU CONSIDER THE AGREEMENT IT INCLUDES THE COPPERBELT, PART OF THE CENTRAL PROVINCE, BECHUANLAND, NAMIBIA, ANGOLA AND CONGO. THAT’S HOW MAD THE WHOLE AGREEMENT BETWEEN CECIL RHODES ON BEHALF OF THE QUEEN AND THE LOSIS WAS. THE AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED WITHOUT INFORMING THE AFFECTED PEOPLE. IT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN FRAUDULENT.
I told you , not all Westerner are in support of the BRE and the secession. You see now
The Nkoyas have their rights to speak and the future of Barotseland does not depend upon them Seriously.
Even though Nkoyas want to “refuse” its because some of them have been blindfolded by Gov’ts propagandized division.
Edgar Lungu got 48% of votes and HH 47%, 1% difference took Lungu to State House. So whoever is being mislead, represents a few minority of Nkoyas, of which Barotseland has more than 38 tribes.
There is no tribe in Barotseland which is more equal or royal than the other, they are all the same. Only visible difference is traditions. Lozi is not a tribe but a nation of more than the above mentioned tribes and Lozi is the lingua franca of all tribes of Barotseland. Sir Mwanawasa KBE III was half Nkoya.
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Jo
Who is a Lozi?
Lozi is not tribe but a Nation. Barotseland tried to institute a democratic process of togetherness with people (Northern Rhodesians) who did not only know what democracy was, but also fell short of its principles.
There are 73 tribes in “Zambia” of which 34 are from Barotseland as follows;
1~Aluyi 2~Chokwe 3~Imilangu 4~Kwandi 5~Kwangwa 6~Kwamashi 7~Luvale 8~Lushange 9~Mbowe 10~Mafwe 11~Makwangwali 12~Maikwamakoma 13~Maliuwa 14~Mbukushu 15~Mbunda 16~Makwamwenyi 17~Mashasha 18~Mandundulu 19~Mayauma 20~Mambumi 21~Malukolwe 22~Makwengo 23~Mashanjo 24~Mananzwa 25~Makololo 26~Mandebu 27~Makwamulonga 28~Matotela 29~Mahumbe 30~Makwamwenyi 31~Nkoya 32~Nyengo 33~Simaa & 34~Sibia.
Ladies & Gentlemen prior 1830 Aluyi were the master tribe of Barotseland.
That was a tactic of the colonialist in the divide and conquer tactics and it must be dismissed with all contempt it deserves!
So you mean you want to continue suppressing the Nkoyas and others, sorry not any more it won’t happen. They are now independent and are not under Lozis, they are free people and won’t come un der BRE domince
We have seen this old divide & rule tactic so many times BUT this time the situation on the ground is FIRE!!! If mishandled and cheap tricks are relied upon then things will inevitably explode. IT IS A MATTER OF TIME!
This is the issue. Lozis simply want to assume superiority over what they term small or weak tribes, a thing they have failed to inflict on other tribes in the unitary state. The question that must be answered is how did it happen that the Lozi could claim to be masters over the kaonde, Luvale, Lambas, etc. The expanse of the area concerned is too large for the Lozi to claim they subdued. The Lozis must prove that they fought wars with lambas, Kaondes and won. The Baroste issue is nonsense which should not be entertained. The Ngoni and Bembas fought wars and subdued many tribes but have never claimed ownership of North East Rhodesia. The war between the Bemba and Ngoni ended after there was no victor and finally signed the a peace treaty which is celebrated as cousin-ship (Chimbuya) today
Please get it in your head today and forever!
There is no tribe called Lozi okay. Lozi is a nation comprising of more than 38 tribes. Lozi is the lingua franca of Barotseland and all the 38 tribes speak Lozi.
Stop misleading people, Lozi will never be a tribe and I can list all tribes of Barotseland for you as you wish, trust me, there is no such thing as a. Lozi tribe.
I’m a Aluyi by tribe, the master class or in short, the first inhabitants of Bulozi.
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JL, you are misguided. It is people like you who speak about issues that they are not well informed about or that deliberately try to distort other peoples views that will bring calamity upon the dead UNITARY state. I respect all views & believe that through honest discussion & mutual respect a way can be found. It is lies, propaganda &taking others for granted that I dislike. Keep believing cheap propaganda and see where it will take you!
Lusaka times check and correct. AU summit was in Ethiopia not Egypt. Your articles are sober. Keep it up.
@ Skeloton
Whatever tribe you are, point is that TRIBES like the Nkoya etc are not interested in yo BRE secession oke. They have said that they are independent eople in Zambia and not slaves for whatever it is – Lozi. And I believe its Govts responsibility to protect all citizens from oppression by another
The issue is not about the BRE, the fact of the matter is on the Barotseland Agreement 1964, of which two separate nation of Barotseland & Northern Rhodesia signed the above mentioned international treaty. The Zambian govt repudiated the BA’64 in 1969 with impunity!
Contract Law dear will make you wake up early from your slumber. There is nothing you can tell me about Barotseland history, some of us belongs in the faculties of Law, Politics & History, not your mere assumptions and speculations based on hear says.
Dear, Nkoya, Mbuda, Aluyi, Kwangwa, Chokwe, Imilangu, Mandundulu et al, all speak one lingua franca of Barotseland which is Lozi a Nation.
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Better to save an injured warrior, a starving person when his belly is full he becomes stupid.
A warning to my nkoya bothers, if the you know who can treat the Tongas who are hard working and very intelligent like under dogs, what more with you refugees. Lwenu.
There is no way a man dressing like woman can stand up and say am yo leader, never. As a kaonde I can’t be a subject of these women men.
Hahahaha good one.
As the saying goes: “Let sleeping dogs lay!” If the Barotse ‘secessionists’ aren’t careful, they will only heighten and awaken ethnic/tribal sensitivities among other tribes in “Barotseland”. Lozis (or the section there of) have too easily gotten a pass on this issue. And they (Lozis) have used the issue as a political bargaining chip for far too long.
It is not just Lozis who have some “pride and history” to preserve. Other tribes in this area are just as proud and will NOT take kindly to Roste hegemony over them. The back-room deals Lozis cut with colonialists can NOT be the basis on which modern day societies (ethnic, tribal or otherwise) can co-exist in today’s Zambia. The unhappiness & concerns expressed by Nkoyos should not be taken lightly by both Govt and the BRE.
Well spoken. One Zambia One Nation democratic maturity now happening. Wise president Edgar Lungu shall find a solution.
Please get it in your head today and forever!
There is no tribe called Lozi okay. Lozi is a nation comprising of more than 38 tribes. Lozi is the lingua franca of Barotseland and all the 38 tribes speak Lozi.
Stop misleading people, Lozi will never be a tribe and I can list all tribes of Barotseland for you as you wish, trust me, there is no such thing as a. Lozi tribe.
I’m a Aluyi by tribe, the master class or in short, the first inhabitants of Bulozi.
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Imwe na imwe ba Yambamyamba who is a Lozi? Define and classify a Lozi.
Lozi is a language not a tribe? Subyas’ of Sesheke speak Lozi,
Kangwas’, Totelas’ and all other indeginous tribes of western Province are classified as Lozi speaking.
The mother of Sir Mwanawina’s who signed the BA1964 was Nkoya.
Yamba
Who is a Lozi?
Lozi is not tribe but a Nation. Barotseland tried to institute a democratic process of togetherness with people (Northern Rhodesians) who did not only know what democracy was, but also fell short of its principles.
There are 73 tribes in “Zambia” of which 34 are from Barotseland as follows;
1~Aluyi 2~Chokwe 3~Imilangu 4~Kwandi 5~Kwangwa 6~Kwamashi 7~Luvale 8~Lushange 9~Mbowe 10~Mafwe 11~Makwangwali 12~Maikwamakoma 13~Maliuwa 14~Mbukushu 15~Mbunda 16~Makwamwenyi 17~Mashasha 18~Mandundulu 19~Mayauma 20~Mambumi 21~Malukolwe 22~Makwengo 23~Mashanjo 24~Mananzwa 25~Makololo 26~Mandebu 27~Makwamulonga 28~Matotela 29~Mahumbe 30~Makwamwenyi 31~Nkoya 32~Nyengo 33~Simaa & 34~Sibia.
Ladies & Gentlemen prior 1830 Aluyi were the master tribe of Barotseland.
This is very good. A democratic leader allows all to be heard. Today we like tomorrow shall be one Zambia, One Nation. This because we are allowed to think as one. Congratulations Western province for Vice President Mama Inonge Wina. A great warrior of a lady.
Someone make me understand whether the nkoyas are the complainants on the barotse saga…..why do they talk quickly……
Kay
Who is a Lozi?
Lozi is not tribe but a Nation. Barotseland tried to institute a democratic process of togetherness with people (Northern Rhodesians) who did not only know what democracy was, but also fell short of its principles.
There are 73 tribes in “Zambia” of which 34 are from Barotseland as follows;
1~Aluyi 2~Chokwe 3~Imilangu 4~Kwandi 5~Kwangwa 6~Kwamashi 7~Luvale 8~Lushange 9~Mbowe 10~Mafwe 11~Makwangwali 12~Maikwamakoma 13~Maliuwa 14~Mbukushu 15~Mbunda 16~Makwamwenyi 17~Mashasha 18~Mandundulu 19~Mayauma 20~Mambumi 21~Malukolwe 22~Makwengo 23~Mashanjo 24~Mananzwa 25~Makololo 26~Mandebu 27~Makwamulonga 28~Matotela 29~Mahumbe 30~Makwamwenyi 31~Nkoya 32~Nyengo 33~Simaa & 34~Sibia.
Ladies & Gentlemen prior 1830 Aluyi were the master tribe of Barotseland.
that is why i personally support this animal called barotseland .It is going to bring more problems of civil strife in barotseland than unity.I dont see nkoys accepting this trush. I am Lozi emanating from Senanga and i dont like the idea too .But what i wish to advise is that let Government engage the ACTIVISTS and see their representation. ARE ALL TRIBES IN WESTERN PROVINCE REPRESENTED ON LINYUNGANDAMBO,BNC.
i have a lot of reservations because i feel only Mongu based tribes are represented on these so called committees.If they are not then NKOYAS HAVE A RIGHT TO REFUSE NOT TO BELONG TO THIS STATE.
Nkoya are being naive. They think Bembas will respect them. they will be used as slaves. just today, i met a couple of tribalists conversing that zambia is for bembas and easterners. they mused that tongas and lozi will never rule. they praised late Sata for introducing “dont kubeba” saying that this is a good thing that they will continue to use. they laughed at HH for all the money he spent. sadly, they were not even concerned that other tribes were listening to their conversation. barotseland is a nation built on brotherly love and where tribe will not matter. nkoyas ne careful of betraying your real brothers and sisters.
So how do bembas and easterners come into this Barotse? They are both miles away from Barotseland.
@ Paul erdo,
Don’t lie, you do not treat the Nkoyas as yo brothers but as yo slaves. Otherwise why do you think they are not interested in yo BRE. Let me tell u, they even rejected a lozi man as Council Secretary in Kaoma and accepted one from another region – Why
This Barotseland issue tends to heat up and die down depending on who is in power. I recall that this issue resurfaced under Chiluba and died down when Mwanawasa became president. It resurfaced again when RB came to power and has been heating up ever since. I am sure it will die down when HH becomes president.
The Nkoya view is that implementing the Barotse Agreement is tantamount to imposing Lozi Colonialism on non Lozis in Western Province.
Please get it into your head from today and forever that, there is no tribe called Lozi okay!
The problem is that, your heads are too thick to comprehend historical connotations of empirical evidence. Lozi is a Nation of more than 38 tribes of Barotseland and the lingua franca of the above mentioned, is what is called Lozi.
Aluyi, Subiya,Makankwa, Mbukushu,Mambumi,Shenjo,Nkoya,Mbunda, Makwamweni,Nyengo, Toka~Leya, et al, speak the same lingo of Barotseland. These are facts not mere assumptions you’re being fed by liars who don’t even fully understand even their own history.
There is no tribe in Barotseland which is more Lozi or Royal than the other, they are all equal. Stop misleading the masses correct your misinformation!
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It is so surprising that people will have any regard for a document fashioned by the British imperialist, these people worked on the divide and rule principal, the question should be why they picked one tribe against all the tribes of then northern Rhodesia, food for thought.
The nkoyas must be realistic. How can the left hand oppose the right one. They are part of the greater barotse nation. Some of the rulers of Barotseland were actually Nkoyas. My advise to my Nkoya bothers is do not be used by the ‘enemy’. They will just make you their slaves. Nimisebela fela mwai.
I do not agree with Shamatunga’s assertion that, “…people being abused and oppressed using state machinery like the colonialists did in the colonial era”. Colonialism was good for backward Africa which had no schools or industries or hospitals. Colonialism catapulted Africa from Stone Age to modernity. Even the ox-drawn plough was brought by the colonialists. I cannot remember the name of the back-breaking hand hoe in Bemba. Without colonialism we could be using the hand-hoe. Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to Africa. If some Africans suffered under colonialism then it was a small prize to pay for the industrialisation and schools which colonialism brought to us. Colonialism brought us electricity – Kariba Dam, Trains, cars, high-rise buildings, TOILETS,…
Let me list a few things colonialism brought to Africa -Colonialism brought us electricity – Kariba Dam, Trains, cars, high-rise buildings, TOILETS, running water, fertiliser, hosepipes, modern clothes, mirrors, matches, pots, pans, razors, spectacles, watches, weather forecasts, hospitals, tarred roads, dams, heaters, computers, paper, writing pens, radios, televisions, telephones, planes, motorboats, the list is endless. I will not take kindly to anyone castigating the priceless COLONIALISM.
It just serves the intetest of the lozi king and his family. Look at swaziland today in terms of democracy and governance. It is a good example of a failec state.
Can someone learned enough produce the treaty signed by whoever in england for the same if there is no treaty then all this is a worst of time
Someone please hand me the Barotse Agreement. All I came across on the net is this simple 5-page document outlining how the the republican govt would relate with the Barotse traditional Authority in the administration of Lui land. Signed on May 18, 1964 ? Kindly help me have a better understanding of this uneasy issue by allowing me access to the doc. I would hate shooting from the hip – as the habit has been – through ignorance.
I think its the same with Tonga’s (Ila, toka-leya etc) are condidered as tonga’s.
The same with Bemba speaking people. All are grouped as Bembas and insulted together and yet we have Tabwa, Bisa, Chishinga, Ushi, Kabende, Lunda, Ngumbo, Bwile, Bemba etc.
It is important to remember that BA64 is what led to the amalgamation of Barotseland and Northern Rhodesia to become Zambia. Zambia a name derived from Zambezi, “Liambai”. Author of Zambian National Anthem, the late Jonathan Lichilana a Lozi.
The BA64 was active after independence, it was only in 1969 that KK started to abrogate the agreement, reducing the rights of the BRE and the people of Barotseland. By 1983 the province had
become so impoverished, the Litunga was made an MCC by KK.
People of Western Province were initially calling for honoring the BA64 and not seceding as such, but the powers that be ignored or used brutal force and detentions.
In short it is the Zambian Government who have over the years
refused to honour the marriage. BA64 was about unification.
It is insane and boring for one to post the same comment more than once.
@GRUNDIXY – which comments are the same? Can you read? Turd.
First and foremost, we would like to thank Lusaka Times for covering this issue widely and in unbiased fashion. It shows that you are a mature media platform.
We await President Lungu and his government to come to Western Province and meet the Nkoya Royal Council so that we can outline the formation of Kafue Province as a way of finding a lasting solution to this barotseland agreement issue.
We believe that the formation of a new province is the only way forward.
We believe that President Lungu and his government are going to make history by moving forward with this issue of forming a new Kafue Province to put this issue to rest.
We the Nkoya are ready with our Provincial Leadership structure that will play a unifying role in cementing the One Zambia One Nation motto.
Nkoya
Kay
Who is a Lozi?
Lozi is not tribe but a Nation. Barotseland tried to institute a democratic process of togetherness with people (Northern Rhodesians) who did not only know what democracy was, but also fell short of its principles.
There are 73 tribes in “Zambia” of which 34 are from Barotseland as follows;
1~Aluyi 2~Chokwe 3~Imilangu 4~Kwandi 5~Kwangwa 6~Kwamashi 7~Luvale 8~Lushange 9~Mbowe 10~Mafwe 11~Makwangwali 12~Maikwamakoma 13~Maliuwa 14~Mbukushu 15~Mbunda 16~Makwamwenyi 17~Mashasha 18~Mandundulu 19~Mayauma 20~Mambumi 21~Malukolwe 22~Makwengo 23~Mashanjo 24~Mananzwa 25~Makololo 26~Mandebu 27~Makwamulonga 28~Matotela 29~Mahumbe 30~Makwamwenyi 31~Nkoya 32~Nyengo 33~Simaa & 34~Sibia.
Ladies & Gentlemen prior 1830 Aluyi were the master tribe of Barotseland.
From 1906 to 1964, the British Colonial government did not give us enough coverage for Zambians to be educated about our struggle with the BRE.
From 1964 to 1991 KK and his government did not do enough to educate the Zambian population of our struggles even though countless appeals were made to his government to find a solution.
It is only from 1991 under Dr Chiluba that we turned a page in our struggle when he used his Presidential powers to make some changes that for once favored the Nkoya Royal Council.
Today in 2015, we believe that our long walk to freedom is finally coming to an end. Our peaceful resistance is bearing fruit.
It is said good things come to those who wait.
Watch and learn!!
If you are Nkoya then you are my brother.
My Great grandmother was a daughter of a Nkoya a fearless fighter of the Nosha clan part of the regiment which fought most fierce
documented battle to reinstate Liwanika, “Luyana ku wanika” in 1885, following brief overthrow. I was quite fortunate to have seen my great grandmother, she lived beyond 100 years.
Besides Nkoya blood I also have Luyi, Kwangwa and Toka in my
system and remain a classified Lozi, but those who do not know our history will argue otherwise.
Freedom frm who? What? Being yoked by northeastern Rhodesia is freedom? We koyas have not existed in a vacuum: we have always been part of a nation sho batendele bakumwaka.
Tribalism.. Zambia’s best pastime.. We wont stop till blood is shed. What are they really looking for these BRE? How is it going to benefit anyone and for how long?
I think Education is not helping that much in Zambia. Why are people still talking in terms of Lozi, Nkoya – all this nomatives should become meaningless – we are All Zambians that is all.
In my view we should even abolish all these chiefdom things. They are just holding us behind in progress. They are serving no useful purpose at the moment. Chiefs are completely useless in Zambia.
@ Mwamoneni,
I agree with you totally. KK should have done what Nyerere did, abolished all the chiefdoms, what these do is just breed tribalism with Chiefs selling land indiscriminately.
My nkoya brothers and sisters, the problem that you have is that you do not want to have self belief. us nyengos, are at peace with barotseland.
We know that Chiluba upgraded mutondo and kahare to chiefs as a way of fighting the BRE. But he made a grave mistake.
In kaoma and Lukulu, where nkoyas claim land, there are as many mbundas who are also part of that land, the luvale, the nyengos too.
Nkoyas should feel part of everyone as does everyone else, let us love one another and work together.
I agree that the nkoyas should be part of the discussions, but needless to say they are the ones who have been chickening out of discussions, unlike the great mbunda brothers.
Nkoyas wake up, wake up, wake up, even if you are few we are fighting the same battle, its time you realised
Abuntu
Who is a Lozi?
Lozi is not tribe but a Nation. Barotseland tried to institute a democratic process of togetherness with people (Northern Rhodesians) who did not only know what democracy was, but also fell short of its principles.
There are 73 tribes in “Zambia” of which 34 are from Barotseland as follows;
1~Aluyi 2~Chokwe 3~Imilangu 4~Kwandi 5~Kwangwa 6~Kwamashi 7~Luvale 8~Lushange 9~Mbowe 10~Mafwe 11~Makwangwali 12~Maikwamakoma 13~Maliuwa 14~Mbukushu 15~Mbunda 16~Makwamwenyi 17~Mashasha 18~Mandundulu 19~Mayauma 20~Mambumi 21~Malukolwe 22~Makwengo 23~Mashanjo 24~Mananzwa 25~Makololo 26~Mandebu 27~Makwamulonga 28~Matotela 29~Mahumbe 30~Makwamwenyi 31~Nkoya 32~Nyengo 33~Simaa & 34~Sibia.
Ladies & Gentlemen prior 1830 Aluyi were the master tribe of Barotseland.
This my brothers and sisters is not a tribal issue, it is a political issue that has to be addressed and concluded in way that will further unify all Zambians and keep our country’s peace intact.
Tamboka mukondo wami, take a deep breath and listen to your heart, not your belly. We the Lozi (maternal grand great parents are kakoya full) have stood together since time immemorial unitil Nkomenshya of Sibupiwa village worked with one Michael Sata at local government. What followed is now history. And please, there is no longer such a thing as master Luyi or Aluyi. There only what we can call Luton related tribes, so intermingled that it would be folly to call myself Mumbowe or Nkoya or Mbumi or any other tag. I am a member of the Lozi nation and recognise the Litunga as Head of State
Well stated, Kozo mung’aka!
I think it doesn’t matter whom the president sees first. Let him just listen to all of them. As someone who doesnt know the Western Province very well educate me. Are there any other nations or ethnic groups in the province apart from the Lozi and the Nkoya?
They are around 35 to 38 tribes in Western Province. The Luyis’ were the ruling class who originated from the ancient Lunda Kingdom of Mwata Yamvo in 1Western Congo. They settled in the Zambezi planes around 1500s.
In 1839 an important Litunga Mulambwa there followed a bitter civil war for the succession, that is how the Makololo invaded finding a divided state and imposed their rule and language for 25 years, before the Lozis’ reclaimed their position and wiped out all the makolos except for makololo were retained and married. Lozi is a language which the makoloo influenced on the people of Barotse, it is mix of Kololo (similar to Sesuthu and Setswana), Luyi and other languages in Barotse.
Nkoyas’ are amongst the 38 tribes in Western Province and part of the BRE. Zikomo!
meant Mulambwa died in 1839 which led to invasion of the makololos from South
meant wiped out the makololo men and retained makololo women who were married off to the Luyis and warriors, that is how Lozi
language developed.
There is a misguided notion that Lozis are a ruling class who are
descendants of Aluyi when in fact Lozis’ are a people who have
intermarried across tribes in Western Province. It is a tall order
in this time and era to find a pure luyi with no trace of other tribes from Western Province in his or her gene. Nkoyas and all other tribes in Western Province are connected one way or the other
(maternal or paternal)
You mean Western Province?
@Nkoya nationalist, can you tell me how a nkoya can be unified with a bemba, following the history of this nation.
Imagine yourselves being part of the bemba aand nyanja country, hey , my brother, you would miss barotseland, a land in which the litunga ensured the very progression of your culture.
Nationalist, take a visit to kaoma and lukulu, you will be amazed, i dont know how you will work it out.
we are one my brother, we are. let no one cheat you into rebellion, we are one.
as nkoyas, you can not claim more of kaoma and lukulu than thembundas, the nyengos who are there, just as much as masubiya cannot claim more of sesheke than you and myself, nkoya and nyengo.
let us stop lying to one another
chiluba, as i said, made a big blunder.
@ Umwina Zed
The so called 35 tribes of Western Province are only about 6 in total because 15 of those are actually dialects of the Nkoya tribe or language. The Lozis are not the natives of Western Province.
In the Nkoya language, they were called Aluyi which means foreigner because they came to settle in the Nkoya Kingdom.
If you want to know the history of the Nkoya people, do a search online for “Likota Lya Ba Nkoya”or “Tears of Rain: History of the Nkoya”.
Umwina Zed~Nkoya N
Who is a Lozi?
Lozi is not tribe but a Nation. Barotseland tried to institute a democratic process of togetherness with people (Northern Rhodesians) who did not only know what democracy was, but also fell short of its principles.
There are 73 tribes in “Zambia” of which 34 are from Barotseland as follows;
1~Aluyi 2~Chokwe 3~Imilangu 4~Kwandi 5~Kwangwa 6~Kwamashi 7~Luvale 8~Lushange 9~Mbowe 10~Mafwe 11~Makwangwali 12~Maikwamakoma 13~Maliuwa 14~Mbukushu 15~Mbunda 16~Makwamwenyi 17~Mashasha 18~Mandundulu 19~Mayauma 20~Mambumi 21~Malukolwe 22~Makwengo 23~Mashanjo 24~Mananzwa 25~Makololo 26~Mandebu 27~Makwamulonga 28~Matotela 29~Mahumbe 30~Makwamwenyi 31~Nkoya 32~Nyengo 33~Simaa & 34~Sibia.
Ladies & Gentlemen prior 1830 Aluyi were the master tribe of…
the so called baroste activists are sponsored individuals by perennial losers ups and downs party…
these banguits are a bunch of selfish individuals who want to amass wealth on silver platter…
Referendum though expensive will be the best to close that chapter once and for all.
Over 98% of the so called westerners do not even understand the baroste issue and its implications on a common man- JUST FEW SELFISH INDIVIDUALS
Mary
Who is a Lozi?
Lozi is not tribe but a Nation. Barotseland tried to institute a democratic process of togetherness with people (Northern Rhodesians) who did not only know what democracy was, but also fell short of its principles.
There are 73 tribes in “Zambia” of which 34 are from Barotseland as follows;
1~Aluyi 2~Chokwe 3~Imilangu 4~Kwandi 5~Kwangwa 6~Kwamashi 7~Luvale 8~Lushange 9~Mbowe 10~Mafwe 11~Makwangwali 12~Maikwamakoma 13~Maliuwa 14~Mbukushu 15~Mbunda 16~Makwamwenyi 17~Mashasha 18~Mandundulu 19~Mayauma 20~Mambumi 21~Malukolwe 22~Makwengo 23~Mashanjo 24~Mananzwa 25~Makololo 26~Mandebu 27~Makwamulonga 28~Matotela 29~Mahumbe 30~Makwamwenyi 31~Nkoya 32~Nyengo 33~Simaa & 34~Sibia.
Ladies & Gentlemen.
Mary
The issue is not about the BRE, the fact of the matter is on the Barotseland Agreement 1964, of which two separate nation of Barotseland & Northern Rhodesia signed the above mentioned international treaty. The Zambian govt repudiated the BA’64 in 1969 with impunity!
Contract Law dear will make you wake up early from your slumber. There is nothing you can tell me about Barotseland history, some of us belongs in the faculties of Law, Politics & History, not your mere assumptions and speculations based on hear says.
Dear, Nkoya, Mbuda, Aluyi, Kwangwa, Chokwe, Imilangu, Mandundulu et al, all speak one lingua franca of Barotseland which is Lozi a Nation.
The Skeleton Key
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You are right. Baroste issue only comes up when an easterner or Luapulan or Northerner comes in power. When Mwanawasa was Presdent, the issue died. Just like corruption, when a Bemba or easterner is president, disgruntled enemies led by the PAST will talk about corruption. Today we have Auditor General urging EL to talk about corruption yet she got this job through a connection to her relative late Mwanawasa. The problem is that you think you can hide. We know. Corruption talk will end when HH becomes President because deals will only be among Tongas and Lozis. But fortunately HH will never be President in my life time. Maybe after 2060.
Zambia has had 6 presidents and non is or was from Northwest, southern or Barotseland.
Mwanawasa respected the all the people of the country, he unified them and lead the best govt ever, despite his weakness.
Why would HH not be a president in your life time? God abundantly knows the happenings in all of this mess, the majority poor Zambians are learning the hard way of life.
The economy is in limbo, yet all are mute, agriculture, health, education, democracy & everything else is plummeting yela wena, but non seems to care for the country.
Its our time together and change these innuendos of depleting the resources for all people by the few elites from UNIP to PF.
That is why a nation needs to speak the same language & voice, like England, America, Germany, China have one…
The Provinces you have mentioned have failed to produce a marketable product. HH is not marketable nor Presidential. He has made history to lose from a divided PF, wrought with internal wrangles. EL campaigned only 21 days while HH campaigned 3 months plus the last 9 years from 2006 to 2015. Why should he keep losing if he marketable. He cannot be sold based on being a Tonga and that it is Tonga time. This is the problem and why his chance is in 2060 when tribalism will be apprciated.
You chaps who are mentioning Bembers & easterner s you desist frm that, as you these are very civilised tribes and talk of uniting everyone as one zambia noe nation by being in leadership b’coz the munukunyukus are very selfish & no one would want to ruled by barotse chaps who wear ma skirt, mu lamba, nkoya, avomele. Barotse is non starter till the second coming of Load Jesus Christ maybe.
The best way to handle this matter is to call representatives of all the tribes affected and review the BA64 document. If the issue is development, GRZ should have a clear plan for it and this should be the case for the whole country. Also lets realize that all the tribes or people in Zambia except for Tongas, have the time when they came into this land. Therefore the only people who may be justified to talk about cessation are Tongas not any other tribe. Lozis and Ngonis both came from South Africa, the time of Shaka the Zulu. If the people the Lozi speaking people found in Western province refused to welcome them they would have felt mistreated. Now people welcome you and now you plan to grab the land from them. Please lets allow God’s love to touch our hearts over this issue.
Prophetic Voice,
No, please don’t mislead people!
Lozi is not a tribe but a nation of more than 34 tribes. I have outlined them above.
Now, let it sink into you from today and forever that, its the Kololo who came from South Africa. Check your records and truly your insinuations are misguided. Makololo reached Barotseland in 1830AD, when there was succession dispute between two brothers, Mubukwanu & Silumelume.
In 1865, King Sipopa restored the integrity of Barotseland after the long reign of Mulambwa & Sebetwane, respectively. The Makololo intermarried with tribes of Barotseland, Lozis as you understand, hence the Kololo name.
These are facts not assumptions of distorted history of Barotseland by Northern Rhodesia.
The Skeleton Key
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Just consult RB! He knows how to deal with Barotse issue. Period