Tuesday, April 23, 2024

HH never called any traditional leader over Chama’s visit-Kakoma

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Charles Kakoma
Charles Kakoma

UNITED Party for National Development (UPND) Spokesperson Charles Kakoma has told ZNBC news that allegations against Mr Hichilema that he blasted Chieftainess Choongo of the Tonga people for welcoming and interacting in Bemba with Patriotic Front (PF) secretary general Davis Chama who recently toured Southern Province are false.

Mr Kakoma further state that Mr Hichilema never called any traditional leader over Mr Chama’s visit, adding that Mr Hichilema is not opposed to the use of the Bemba language.

Mr Kakoma, who described the reports as a fabrication, said that Mr Hichilema had not spoken to Chief Hamusonde in more than three months – the man to whom Mr Hakainde is reported to have uttered the words.

Mr Kakoma said the alleged telephone interview between Mr Hichilema and Chief Hamusonde was nothing but an invention by Mr Chama and that the UPND leader was contemplating suing the PF secretary general over the matter.

When contacted, Chief Hamusonde said he was not ready to comment on the matter and accused the media of being sarcastic and promoting fights among politicians while Chieftainess Choongo said she was not aware and promised to call back but did not.

Mr Hichilema was alleged to have called Chief Hamusonde and complained about Mr Chama’s tour of Southern Province in a region he said was the stronghold for the UPND and some of the people Mr Hichilema was with at the time he called the chief allegedly recorded the conversation.

Mr Hichilema is alleged to have told Chief Hamusonde that it was shameful for Mr Chama to have had a conversation with Chieftainess Choongo in Bemba when the traditional leader was a chief for the Tonga-speaking people.

97 COMMENTS

  1. We beleive you our Secretary General. No need to explain any further.

    The only issues these PF minions need to be focussing on is how they get our country out of the mess it’s in I.e. Loadshedding, unemployment, weakening kwacha, higher electricity tariffs etc instead of trying to divide the country over petty issues

    Meanwhile Aleisa HH

    • The Chiefs were on Radio Phoenix verbatim denying they ever talked to HH. PF has been caught in their own web of lies. It won’t work. Edgar and group, just deliver on promises otherwise you have 8 months to pack your bags. PF strategy is antagonize Zambians using tribe and violence. They also want to portray a picture that HH sold the mines. Too late guys, think of something else
      Reply

    • I said it. What ever PF says the direct opposite is the absolute truth. Most chiefs in southern province are rich and can not be bought by the change money PF is using to bribe other chiefs in Muchinga and other PF assumed strong holds.

      I rest my case.

      UPND the only honest party led by honest and hard work.

      Vote UPND 2016.

    • I said it. What ever PF says the direct opposite is the absolute truth. Most chiefs in southern province are rich and can not be bought by the change money PF is using to bribe other chiefs in Muchinga and other PF assumed strong holds.

      I rest my case.

      UPND the only honest party led by honest and hard work.

      Vote UPND 2016.

    • Chieftaines Choongo of the Tonga people of Monze District in Southern Province has told Patriotic Front Secretary General Davies Chama and Times of Zambia to leave her out of his hate for Tongas and Hakainde Hichilema in particular.

      “Iam a Chief for heaven’s sake, why should Mr Chama of all the people try to use me to get at his political opponents? I have never received any telephone call from Mr Hichilema to discuss anything of that matter leave alone Mr Chama’s visit because that’s doesn’t concern him or me.. While I acknowledge Mr Chama did pay a courtesy call on me when he was in my area to inspect Projects “atleast that’s how he introduced himself and his tour, as a per tradition I received him well and as usual expressed concerns where I felt there are some governance lapses…

    • Chama lied to the people. Response from the Chieftaines:

      Chieftaines Choongo of the Tonga people of Monze District in Southern Province has told Patriotic Front Secretary General Davies Chama and Times of Zambia to leave her out of his hate for Tongas and Hakainde Hichilema in particular.

      “Iam a Chief for heaven’s sake, why should Mr Chama of all the people try to use me to get at his political opponents? I have never received any telephone call from Mr Hichilema to discuss anything of that matter leave alone Mr Chama’s visit because that’s doesn’t concern him or me.. While I acknowledge Mr Chama did pay a courtesy call on me when he was in my area to inspect Projects “atleast that’s how he introduced himself and his tour, as a per tradition I received him well and as usual…

    • [Chama lied to the people. Response from the Chieftaines:

      Chieftaines Choongo of the Tonga people of Monze District in Southern Province has told Patriotic Front Secretary General Davies Chama and Times of Zambia to leave her out of his hate for Tongas and Hakainde Hichilema in particular.

      “Iam a Chief for heaven’s sake, why should Mr Chama of all the people try to use me to get at his political opponents? I have never received any telephone call from Mr Hichilema to discuss anything of that matter leave alone Mr Chama’s visit because that’s doesn’t concern him or me.. While I acknowledge Mr Chama did pay a courtesy call on me when he was in my area to inspect Projects “atleast that’s how he introduced himself and his tour, as a per tradition I received him well and as usual…

    • Is this UPND loosing a Public Relations battle.

      Yesterday HH denied the story and he asked Times of Zambia to retract the within 24 hrs, else he would sue them.

      Today why is Kakoma coming back again saying that HH never said the statements.

      UPND has too many loose canons who do not coordinate properly.

    • @Tyco. Get back to elementary school. This article is straight forward and my Grade 5 son can read and understand it. Clearly you don’t.

    • # Politko

      Who asked about your 5 year old child. Admit it, you guys are all over this story. It’s all deny after deny. What you don’t realise is that the more you make official statements, the more you at a lose on this issue.

      UPND you are good at mobilising bloggers. Yet you fail to mobilise your base to turn up at the ballot.

      Learn to use public relations and grow up.

  2. The Chiefs were on Radio Phoenix verbatim denying they ever talked to HH. PF has been caught in their own web of lies. It won’t work. Edgar and group, just deliver on promises otherwise you have 8 months to pack your bags. PF strategy is antagonize Zambians using tribe and violence. They also want to portray a picture that HH sold the mines. Too late guys, think of something else

  3. Can sam1 sure complain over usin bemba in southern?
    I cant see any reason the President can complain there coz even in his party is promoting one Zambia chabe ni forward.

    • Some of us know that the chiefs and HH are telling the truth. Some of us know that Chama is lying and Lungu his boss is quiet about it because he wants to be president at any cost. Its up to us Zambians to make the right decision. Some of you choose not to know the truth when it is there. Wake up brother.

  4. I FORESEE VERY BIG DIVISION IN OUR COUNTRY AND I WONDER AS TO WHY OUR PRESIDENT KEEP SUCH PEOPLE LIKE DAVIS CHAMA, MUMBI PHIRI AND CHISHIMBA KAMBWILI IN HIS GOVERNANCE AS IF HE HAS NO RIGHT PEOPLE WHO CAN HELP HIM. THESE THREE GUYS HAVE TARNISHED PRESIDENT LUNGU’S IMAGE BECAUSE IF THEIR BAD LANGUAGE AND BEHAVIOR TOWARDS MANY NATIONALS.

    IF PRESIDENT LUNGU IS MINDFUL HE SHOULD TAKE HIS TIME AND THINK ABOUT THIS THAT TIME IS FLYING AWAY AND THIS WILL NOT HELP HIM DO CAMPAIGN WELL BECAUSE ALL THESE ISSUES RAISED ARE MAKING THE OPPOSITION BUILT UP WITH CAMPAIGN STRIDES TO FINISH UP OUR PRESIDENT IN 2016 TRIPARTITE ELECTIONS.

    AM ALSO SORRY FOR POOR JOURNALIST WHO ARE BEING USED FOR SUCH WHEN THEY DO NOT HAVE PROOF.

    • That is one big problem when you have a president who keep such people in those positions and never rebukes them. It simply means he agrees with what they are doing. These guys are tribalists and they want to label HH as tribal. If this is not brought to an end one day Zambia will be at war and I personally will blame pf, Sata, Edgar let me just say the whole pf and all the members and people who vote for them.

  5. Why all these character assassinations amongst our polotricians???? Where are the real issues affecting bembas Tonga’s luvales lozis lundas nyanjas etc and me one of the low class citizens of this beautiful country being discussed and solved? Why can’t we live differently and yet complement each other. I am proud that I can speak 8zambian languages

  6. So do you people expect the chiefs to admit seriously,looking at how sensitive the whole issue is.And kakoma doesn’t move in hh’s pockets to know all detaila.hh shud just apologise

    • I think you are dead walking ‘dis network’. Ask this chi Chama where he got the story? If he did not get it from Chief Hamusonde, could he have got it from HH? Don’t be too dull to realise Chama is the liar. Sue him HH and get all his stolen mini buses. Stupid Bemba liar!

    • “HH should just apologize” for what? They fabricated a lie against HH and you want the man to apologize? There’s no redemption for the hate some of you harbor against HH. PF needs to apologize to HH, Times of Zambia needs to apologize to HH and readers of their papers, journalists need to apologize for their lies. I Hope you do not teach your children to apologize to people who wrong them.

    • Apologize for something he did not utter. This is just lack of logic on your part. You want him to accept your fabrication. You have to believe something if there is evidence. Evaluate the credibility of the story without being judgmental.

    • It is people like you who believe in lies. A critical thinker is always skeptical about what they hear or read. They evaluate issues without being judgmental. Unfortunately, most of you are never skeptical. That is why Zambia is full of rumors.

    • Because you are a hardcore tribalist who detests other tribes and you think all tribes are like you. What evidence do you have for you to believe such silly things.

    • Morosophs and tribalists so quick to judge! respect my opinion…uli chi puba? not everybody supports under 5. Respect that!

    • Rizzo: I am with you. Let HH sue just and let’s have proof or no proof through the courts. By the way, is it Chama who said that HH blasted the Chiefs? I thought the story was started by other people rather than Chama? I am lost as to why Chama has become a certain of ridicule now. This vigorous way of denying this story is giving it some bit of legitimacy? Let’s wait and see. Chama please you know the cell phone numbers of those Chiefs. Just go to ZICTA get the recording and publish them the way The Post Newspaper does it and let’s get the Chiefs responses.

    • Because you choose to lie with them. And if they chose not to defend themselves guess what you would say? Yes HH can’t even defend himself. Next time take your meds and be quiet you will look intelligent.

  7. NOW IT IS GETTING HOT I UPND. THEY ARE FEELING THE CONSEQUENCES OF TRIBALISM. SO THE CHIEFS HAVE NOW BEEN PAID BY HH TO SAY THE OPPOSITE. THIS IS CALLED DAMAGE CONTROL. LELOLELO, LELOLELO.

  8. Ba Kakoma,their is no smoke without fire,and that tribal tag will continue hoovering over your party for as long as hh remains your president.

    • @Zamcab: Are you saying UPND is tribal because of HH’s tribe or what? The whole world has moved one, no one in this world is so particular what their tribe is. People marry across tribes, races, nations and continents. Those politicians who are so bent on tribal politics (Sunday Chanda, Davies Chama, Mumbi Phiri, Kambwili etc) are themselves championing tribalism in Zambia. Before Zambia becomes another Rwanda (Hutu and Tsutsi genocide), may this tribal politics come to its bitter end! What makes one tribe superior to other tribes if all human-beings are created by one God, Jehovah in his own image?

    • As i expected,the reactions from you novices of the new upnd is negative.But lets face it,i was a staunch AKM upnd member,tribe was never even mentioned in the same sentence as our party.We had MPs in ISOKA,and many other parts of Zambia.Then came your god HH,and tribe became the talk of the day not only in upnd,but on the Zambian political scene.Yes its HH who has brought tribal politics in Zambia.Call me whatever you want.

  9. The greatest tribalist Zambia has ever seen was Chi Sata! He labeled others tribal yet he was the worst *****ic tribalist ever. God, may he rot in hell!!!

    • This is very true!

      But Sata was just too dull and stup.id to understand things like how his “renaming” airports entrench tribalism in Zambia.

      We should change all these names back to the sensible originals. Then this tribal connotation will disappear and tourists will know where they are going!

  10. The tribalism by UPND is inborn and come 2016,they will be retired for good.No amount of damage control will help them.If by mistake they were allowed to rule,they will divide this country.

  11. As the ruling party pf in Government, l see no reasons why we’ve socked ourselves in the early stone age kind of politics where charecter asassination has become the greed priority just to retain power. Im telling you God is watching us & above all as being in intelligence wing we shall not just seat back like rascals, we’il act deligently in favour of opposition party upnd! Because we’ve finally concludd that the ruling party is indeed demonically posessed under what circumstances! God bless our beautiful mother Zambia as we do not want any eruption of war or blood shade!

  12. Why you did not publish my comment LT? Is it because I told the truth? Sata was the tribalist per excellency. He is the one who positively divided people based on their ethnicity. I am so happy he died!

  13. there is no smoke without fire…. maybe there is some exaggeration but the is substance to the story. and to expect UPND or HH to accept is just plain stupid, to expect an apology is even more stupid.

    As they say, a leopard can’t change its spots

  14. This claim is going to be a deciding variable in the count down to the 2016 elections. I believe UPND has walked in the mud and they could be stuck. Listen to this, just weeks before the next elections, all legal authorizations would have been obtained to have the verbatim retrieved from the telecommunications provider. The conversation will go viral on the social and print media not excluding TV and radio stations. It could be too late for UPND to exculpate itself at that stage and the ” tribal tag” would become even heavier. It is difficult not to believe that for a national tabloid to make such an allegation, it already has access to that conversation. It is up to UPND to own up and apologize or wait to deal with it when it becomes a “campaign anthem” for PF.

    • You mean you the recording is still being put together by combing bits and pieces of HH’s conversations into a single conversation? I can’t put it beyond the crooked PF with the help of their Israeli spin doctors. But it is too late Tony. And even if the story is true, Chama has no business speaking to a Chief in a language different from the local language. Chiefs are custodians of culture (traditions, language). At this rate Chama will go to the Kuomboka Ceremony and insist on dancing Kalela. It is just not own. You want to attend Kuomboka learn how to dance Ngomalume!!Chapwa!

    • You are very much right,i was thinking in the same lines too,pf want to use this as a campaign tool against upnd,and as you rightly stated,it might be too late for upnd then.There are op agents in these telecom companies and am sure they have tapped hh’s phone.But these upnd cadres dont even think of that possibility.

  15. Whether PF tries all the tricks on tribal politics wont work. People need food and good economy. Road infrastructure development is good but not good enough unfortunately. The wind of change is blowing across the country and HH is the man to lead Zambia in 2016. The cost of living is beyond comprehension and there is total misery especially in rural areas. In rural areas of Isoka district, fertilizer is selling at K420.00 per bag and cooperatives are non existence.

  16. Kakoma u must be very dull party secretary general where were u when media were attacking yo tribal president so u went to organise yo defence.
    We know, no chief can accept that due to the sensitivity of the matter.
    WAY FORWARD
    All parties, media,individuals shud close this topic it has more damages than gains and more on the primitive side.

    Happy new year zed
    One zed one nation

    • “Dullnes” has a different meaning in Zambian vocabulary. Is it because of thinking in Zambian languages, i.e. “Takwata amano”? Please look at issues, analyze and evaluate them before reaching a conclusion. On the last paragraph, I agree with you. The media in Zambia have setting a dangerous tone.

  17. Who is not a tribalist? Jews still fight gentiles and Jesus was called all sorts of names. Its common knowledge in Zambia that if you do not speak Bemba then you are a tribalist. A lot of Bembas especially men have this phobia. No one can influence anybody to speak foreign language, situation has to force you. If you go to China for training you have to learn Chinese before lessons commence.
    Tribalism is just in people’s mind and is not a factor in politics. Its time we learn to play clean ideologies in our parties than singing songs of doom. stop invading people’s bedroom. Nono’s episode.
    Mr President Lungu and HH a lot will be said about you. Please be carefully with the people surrounding you. One of you will surely cry but life will continue.

    Happy 2016.

  18. Chona Mainza ceded UNIP presidency to KK. Authur Wina ceded to FTJ. Kavindele selflessly even with financial muscles disbanded his party for unity. Show me any bemba who will fall in this list! Preach tribalism but in the long run it will haunt all the Zambians because you are deceiving the small minded people. How do you make such a sensitive issue as a campaign strategies? You cannot mock God. May voters be wise than Chama & team.

  19. PF cadres now that all the three accused have denied ever discussing what you alleged can you please produce the recordings so that we confirm who is lying between Chama and the two chiefs and HH. This after all is almost 2016 so I am sure you were smart enough to record the whole thing.

    • katumbi as governor has done alot for the pipo in katanga province as well as the nation at large he sponsors a football team and the players well paid an it is good that he wants to stand as president, nw here in zambia ba hh just paying someone working in a butchery is an issue.

    • UPND Copperbelt chairperson Elisha Matambo said that they knew where they could source weapons should anybody stop them from holding meetings.

      Matambo said that anybody who was standing in their way including the police may be dealt with should the UPND form government next year.

      “…we will sort you out even some police officers that have become PF cadres will see once we take HH to State House. We will not be stopped by the violent PF cadres with their pangas we know where to find pangas so we will see,” he said.

      “We cannot allow this idea of stopping us holding public meetings on the Copperbelt because this is our country too.”
      check the sir name

  20. Honestly
    Even the most stupid, unreasonable people would not give space to this CHAMA FALLACY of desperately trying to perpetuate his stay in politics by saying lots of nonsensical. And by what is more of tribalism from one who openly said Tongas will not produce a president in 100 years and the one who is said to have said …….., Stop letting people abuse you for their own selfish reason of wanting to REMAIN POLITICAL ENTREPRENEURS LIKE CHAMA.

  21. UPND Copperbelt chairperson Elisha Matambo said that they knew where they could source weapons should anybody stop them from holding meetings.

    Matambo said that anybody who was standing in their way including the police may be dealt with should the UPND form government next year.

    “…we will sort you out even some police officers that have become PF cadres will see once we take HH to State House. We will not be stopped by the violent PF cadres with their pangas we know where to find pangas so we will see,” he said.this is what we always talk about a chairperson from there is a tonga typical tribal party

  22. Just be fair, Lusaka Times must also publish this story from the Chieftaines.. Zambian Eye has a full article:

    Davies ChamaChieftaines Choongo of the Tonga people of Monze District in Southern Province has told Patriotic Front Secretary General Davies Chama and Times of Zambia to leave her out of his hate for Tongas and Hakainde Hichilema in particular.

    “Iam a Chief for heaven’s sake, why should Mr Chama of all the people try to use me to get at his political opponents? I have never received any telephone call from Mr Hichilema to discuss anything of that matter leave alone Mr Chama’s visit because that’s doesn’t concern him or me.. While I acknowledge Mr Chama did pay a courtesy call on me when he was in my area to inspect Projects “atleast that’s how he introduced himself and his…

  23. After all Chama is not Bemba he is Lala pa Mkushi napa Serenje. Why does he want to antagonise peaceful loving Zambian Bembas. Why didn’t he greet the Tonga chiefs in his Lala. The real Bembas the GBM and the Mucheleka’s have no problems with UPND but this small lala man wants to bring troubles.

  24. The response from the Chieftaines is there published on Zambian eye. Lusaka Times must also publish the story just to be fair.

    • Just be fair, Lusaka Times must also publish this story from the Chieftaines.. Zambian Eye has a full article:

      Davies ChamaChieftaines Choongo of the Tonga people of Monze District in Southern Province has told Patriotic Front Secretary General Davies Chama and Times of Zambia to leave her out of his hate for Tongas and Hakainde Hichilema in particular.

      “Iam a Chief for heaven’s sake, why should Mr Chama of all the people try to use me to get at his political opponents? I have never received any telephone call from Mr Hichilema to discuss anything of that matter leave alone Mr Chama’s visit because that’s doesn’t concern him or me.. While I acknowledge Mr Chama did pay a courtesy call on me when he was in my area to inspect Projects “atleast that’s how he introduced himself and his…

  25. Chama is not Bemba mwebantu he is Lala. Why does he want to antagonise peaceful loving Bembas with Tongas. Why didn’t he greet the Chiefs in Lala. He has an inferiority complex of his Lala language.

  26. hama is not Bemba mwebantu he is Lala. Why does he want to antagonise peaceful loving Bembas with Tongas. Why didn’t he greet the Chiefs in Lala. He has an inferiority complex of his Lala language.

  27. Chieftaines Choongo of the Tonga people of Monze District in Southern Province has told Patriotic Front Secretary General Davies Chama and Times of Zambia to leave her out of his hate for Tongas and Hakainde Hichilema in particular.

    “Iam a Chief for heaven’s sake, why should Mr Chama of all the people try to use me to get at his political opponents? I have never received any telephone call from Mr Hichilema to discuss anything of that matter leave alone Mr Chama’s visit because that’s doesn’t concern him or me.. While I acknowledge Mr Chama did pay a courtesy call on me when he was in my area to inspect Projects “atleast that’s how he introduced himself and his tour, as a per tradition I received him well and as usual expressed concerns where I felt there are some governance lapses…

  28. The tribal pronouncement that was made when HH was taking over from Mazoka is what has killed UPND. trivial as it sounded, M’membe used the ” only a tonga can succeed Mazoka” statement to his
    advantage and to destroy HH. With time it has been difficulty for UPND to shade off the tribal tag because the tongas also seem to believe that UPND is their party.
    Whoever thinks UPND can form government next year should think twice.
    HH is a gentleman ( I like the guy) but his political career was destroyed a long time ago both by the POST and statements from his camp.
    He is losing again in 2016!

  29. Despite having many tribes ,there is no tribalism in zambia. All tribes in zambia love each other by intermarrying and there is no tribe called ‘zambian’.

  30. To all the PF fools on this blog HH cannot stoop that low as to say such things. Chitimukulu was invited for a private meeting at State House what next the same PF leaked the information to embarrass the Chief. We all know that the PF cannot be trusted, let the journalist give us the recording of the two Chiefs as proof that they said what he reported. This is just one of the 25 evil plans against HH as leaked by Special Branch Intelligence office.

  31. @common criminal u cant call sata a tribalist sata invited hh to form a collision which the tribal under five failed to protect. Yo death statement on sata is bad . NB EVEN U AND HH CAN DIE BEFORE NEW YEAR every one will die one day

  32. THERE IS ONE CHIEF WHO HAS REFUSED TO COMMENT ON THE MATTER AND IN THAT CASE IT SAYS ALOT MWEEEE…AND THEN CHAMA HAS ALSO NOT COMMENTED ON THIS AND IN THE FIRST PLACE THE SOURCES DID NOT ATTRIBUTE THOSE TRIBAL SENTIMENTS TO CHAMA BUT SAID WELL PLACED SOURCES WITHIN UPND AND FROM THE PALACES…… NEVERTHELESS THERE SHUD BE A RECORDING OF THE SAME WHICH CAN ONLY BE PRODUCED IN COURT NOT ON THE MEDIA….CHECK THIS ONCE HH SUES CHAMA???? KIKIKIKIKIKIKIKI TRIBALISTS MWAIKATWA AGAIN………NOT IN THIS COUNTRY…U WIL NEVER REIGN ON ZAMBIAN SOIL

    • The Paramount Chief Chitimukulu through his Spokesman said:-
      “Comments from Chama are uncivilised and can only come from unprogressive minds that want to take us in delirium. Young man, we have come a long way, politicians can’t divide us”
      “There is only one superior tribe in zambia, that’s the Zambian Human race which is blind to province, regionalism or colour,” emphasised the Chitimukulu”

  33. Most comments (blogs) on this issue are tribal. I think the question is not whether some people are tribalists, but why tribalism seems to be taking centre stage in our politics? No need to continue being in self denial about this reality!

  34. The Paramount Chief Chitimukulu through his Spokesman said:-
    “Comments from Chama are uncivilised and can only come from unprogressive minds that want to take us in delirium. Young man, we have come a long way, politicians can’t divide us”
    “There is only one superior tribe in zambia, that’s the Zambian Human race which is blind to province, regionalism or colour,” emphasised the Chitimukulu”

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