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Make Public Your PVT which shows HH won the August Elections , UPND challenged

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Christian Churches Monitoring Group (CCMG)
Christian Churches Monitoring Group (CCMG)

THE opposition United Party for National Development (UPND) has been challenged to make public their own Parallel Voter Tabulation (PVT) which they are using to claim they had won the last general elections.

Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia (EFZ) executive director Pukuta Mwanza told the Daily Nation yesterday that the UPND leadership had been making outrageous statements that they had won the August 11th general elections without facts.

When confronted UPND secretary general Stephen Katuka refused to comment or provide the PVT, saying: “If I give you a comment your boss will change it.”

Rev Mwanza stated that claims by UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema that he had won the presidency without facts and details were nothing but wishful thinking and a recipe for anarchy and lawlessness in the country.

He said the Christian Churches Monitoring Group (CCMG) was a consortium of five church groups and one could not discredit a consortium that had such a large number of Christian churches.

“The CCMG is a very credible institution whose PVT cannot be doubted. The PVT conducted by CCMG was a validation of the ECZ results. They (UPND) must accept such a credible PVT conducted by a group such as the CCMG and I think anybody contradicting such results should have facts and provide their own PVT. They should display and explain how their PVT results were arrived at,” Rev Mwanza said.

“Voter malpractice in Zambia is real, therefore we have to guard our votes at all costs and in order to do this as a party we will put in place three PVT systems, the first one will be known by all party members, the second one by a few individuals and the last one will only be known by myself,” Mr Hichilema told the UPND members.

He said the PVT results conducted by CCMG had been very consistent with the PVT conducted in 2011, 2015 and 2016 and could therefore not be considered to have been flawed.

“If anybody has got any outcome of their own PVT, the best is to make these results public and show the variance between various PVTs on the outcome of the elections.

“But to make outrageous comments as to who won the election and who did not win without facts and details of their statement is wishful thinking and it is not just right. It is a recipe for anarchy, recipe for lawlessness and a recipe for just rhetoric for wanting to claim results they have not obtained,” Rev Mwanza said.

He said it was very unfair for the UPND to claim they won the general elections without providing their own PVT.

Rev Mwanza said the PVT results by the CCMG actually guaranteed that results of the August general elections were very credible.

Rev Mwanza said people should understand that in any election there losers. Rev Mwanza said Zambia must move forward and those who had lost the election must show integrity by acknowledging the winner.

In December last year , the UPND leader Mr Hakainde Hichilema revealed that his party would put in place three parallel voter tabulation (PVT) systems in order to secure the votes in the Presidential elections to be in August 2016.

Speaking during the meet-the-UPND party president fundraising dinner in Solwezi, Mr Hichilema told party members that there was need to be aggressive in in 2016 ’s general elections if landslide victory was to be assured.

“Voter malpractice in Zambia is real, therefore we have to guard our votes at all costs and in order to do this as a party we will put in place three PVT systems, the first one will be known by all party members, the second one by a few individuals and the last one will only be known by myself,” Mr Hichilema told the UPND members.

126 COMMENTS

  1. A PVT known by one person is as good as Satanism. How does one know a PVT alone. Show us your PVT or shut up you stu.pid f00ls.

    • Can Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia also tell us why a foreigner was allowed into ECZ servers and later released from detention secretly.

    • Well, actually Pukuta Mwanza is not from Eastern Wako ni Wako conundrum, he is from North Western Province, in this case being just used. Like me he is Kaonde.
      Mwanza is a common name in NWP, only pronounced differently.
      He is a Metallurgical Engineer cum Reverend.

      In any case what is he doing here is totally wrong, leaving his calling and becoming a PF spokesman!

    • Olila samasankha malilidwe. Its HH & GBV who’re in unusual funeral ceremony extended for suffering a 5th time popular rejection on the ballot. Please give them space or a noose towards political irrelevance or the country risk buying into deviants. Let the dead bury themselves. They can cry their lungs out and drought out own tears, Lungu is the Zambian President with all executive powers constitutionally vested in him having been declared by ECZ Zambia’s elections statutory body and taken oath before CJ. Zambians have all moved on. We’re now working hard to develop the country. Delusions of sore losers should be left to the party base cadres for response and not a working Government. These antics have zero effects. ECL is President for all Zambians.

    • Being neutral on this I feel EFZ would have demanded the ConCourt to hear and complete the UPND’s case than throw it out the way they did. Through the courts UPND would have been compiled to defend their claim that PF did not win the elections.

      But this demand from EFZ is not done in good faith and they should be demand for the rule of law that allows people with a grievance (even one that they do not agree with) is afforded a due process of the law to be heard.
      Also demanding UPND to release their pvc results to the public is wanted the public to be the judge and not the courts. Anyways, I feel EFZ can do better than this…

    • “The CCMG is a very credible institution whose PVT cannot be doubted. The PVT conducted by CCMG was a validation of the ECZ results. Iwe Mpukuta so even in Lundazi your PVT showed that Edgar had more votes than the total votes casted as announced by ECZ? Mpukuta by the way what is the meaning of your name because i sense something wrong with your name

    • HH and UPND have evidence which they wanted to submit before the Constitutional Court…and we all know what happened there. What is the Mop Mwanza talking about?

    • They should have let them submit their evidence to the courts and the courts would have decided whether their evidence was credible or not, but we all know what happened at the Concourt. Now Rev. Mwanza wants the evidence to be published to the public for the public to be the judges? The courts would have been the best place to discredit their claims of the election results and not the public, but that chance was not given to them..

    • If what pukuta whatever is saying was correct his boss lungu would have obeyed the constitution he signed by stepping aside and allowing the concourt to address the petition,the fact is that we saw the entire state machinery employed to prevent the hearing,that cant be the behavior of innocent people,just enjoy what you got quietly you have no back bone.Infact these cowards denied us the opportunity to fine tune our constitution in a real situation,thats how other country improve their laws.What a pathetic lot,pukuta you need to revist your maker you have unfinished business.

    • @Dan and Mangala let us not forget that an opportunity to be heard at the constitutionall court was granted and we all know what happened….UPND lawyers did not bring the much talked evidence within the prescribed 14 days. Who is to blame ?

    • MWANZA YOUR HEAD IS SICK. WHY DIDN’T YOU EQUALLY CHALLENGE PF AND LUNGU TO MAKE PUBLIC THE JUDGEMENT BY THE CONCOURT AS TO WHO THE REAL WINNER OF THE ELECTIONS BETWEEN EDGAR AND HAKAINDE WAS? YOU SEE HOW SHALLOW YOUR THINKING REVEREND IS?

  2. First tell your thug in state house to step down and UPND will produce the results. you sound f00lish when you know that UPND have been denied to be heard in court.

    • @kabucha changa
      you don’t need the president to step down for you to release your PVT results. That is now madness.

    • What is Pukuta Mwanza, another crazed Wako, going to do with the evidence? Is he in a position to force ECZ to do anything if the position evidence is solid? This church group is infiltrated and biased. Typical “Church of Lungu” followers.

  3. Mr Pukuta, just shut up! Enjoy the money you and your friend Joshua are enjoying from your wako ni wako. You have lowered the position ofv EFZ general secretary ever since you came. We had Imakando, Mususu, Lumba, men of integrity. But for you we can’t wait your term to come to an end. You are such a big embarassment. God will judge you one day.

  4. “Voter malpractice in Zambia is real, therefore we have to guard our votes at all costs and in order to do this as a party we will put in place three PVT systems, the first one will be known by all party members, the second one by a few individuals and the last one will only be known by myself,” Mr Hichilema told the UPND members.

    We are waiting for Mr. Hichilema’s PVT the one him alone knows.

  5. this pukuta is just too dull, how can they publicize their evidence when the matter is in court? even the reporter and the editor dull as well

    • Which court? That case is closed. There was no evidence that was produced and tabled. HH wanted Edgar to hand over power instead of convincing people that he had evidence for the petition.

  6. Tell them CCMG. Its not possible that all election monitoring groups can declare that ECL won and only the UPND PVT says otherwise! How badala. What they should say is there was a lot of election malpractices like intimidation, people campaigning at polling stations, etc which would warrant a new election, not that they won.

    • @6 MyZambia, in fact it is UPND which is guilty of all those malpractices you have mentioned in their strongholds and it went into over drive after it was confirmed that HH had lost! They went into outright ethnic violence!

    • If I recall during and after the counting, a number of political parties cried foul, and claimed the same that ECL had not won. But because they are all playing the “Wako ni wako” game, they changed their minds and suddenly all their PVT are in favor of ECL. Think of it. I am not against declaring ECL the winner, BUT against these rats, who just go where the wind blows and those who keep on blaming poor HH.
      At least HH and GBM are principled and are sticking to their words until proved wrong by the Court. Do you see the difference? Its either one is a puppet and doing politics for the sake of filling their bellies or they are in politics out of conviction like HH. That is not to say HH is selfish, he has goals which most of you are lacking,

  7. Decamptoin, treason, canfollow such pepole to protect the country simple as that otherwise do not underestimate those guy there are time westers

  8. You have to worry about the people whose brains have been muddled up by HH’s brand and campaign. HH is a very dangerous man. He made his mind up to gain Zambian Presidency and has brainwashed his followers with the shine from his money. Notice how he keeps repeating the mantra,”I am rich, I am an Economist, only I know how to make Zambians rich” over and over. To poor Zambians this group and it’s psychedelic brand of campaign, which contorts their thinking into, “HH has, I will have,” is very compelling. They literally are trying to escape the poverty around them by focusing on the one man who is flashing all that gold about. The church group know this is Mammon and they also know that God had good reason to hate it. Money, the attainment of it can lead man to the grave. So…

    • So powerful is its draw that Man can kill another for it. HH is showing us how lost in money he is. A sick man that the Zambian gov’t and all it’s arms are failing to eradicate. There is no place in Zambia for HH and UPND. Zambian society MUST arise to singe out this illness that has attacked the skin/fabric of society. In part the failure is due to Western interference. The Zambian gov’t must lie prostrate before the West to prove they are applying democratic principles and yet we see that they never allow any such attack on their Country, Citizens and their beliefs to the extent of world wars and campaigns into other countries to hunt down and remove those that threaten their states. Would we be wrong to put HH under house arrest and corral all strident UPND members?

    • Brainwashed indeed. His followers have so much faith that they believe what is not there. It is indeed wishful thinking. The case failed when the President had not been inaugurated. How do they expect to win a court case when he is in charge of hiring and firing judges. HH to be president of this country is water under the bridge, its spilt milk, the train is gone, finito until 2021, if he’ll still have any credibility or integrity for anyone to consider him. Show us your PVT or Shut up, not all are fools

  9. I am an UCZ christian. I am gutted that even my CCZ consortium of churches have selectevily decided to decided to side with injustice. Shouldn’t the church voiced concerns how the Concourt conducted the petition? My love is to worship the true God of justice not man regardless how painful that maybe

    • @Senior Diplomat

      You are pitifully displaying you lack of understanding on that matter. UPND and HH were given the right to present that data to the courts and they failed. The courts, Judges are not at fault. People like you should be arrested for falsifying facts. The law spoke, the law cannot open up another window to allow a bitter man to scratch his itch publicly. Emigrate, go somewhere they accept people like you. If you are a senior diplomat, seek asylum in the country you are posted to. Strange really that you are a senior diplomat since UPND keeps telling citizens that only family tree are appointed to those posts. GO AWAY.

    • From their campaign to their petition, the UPND have been making their decisions on wrong information, fabricated by the media like the Post, Muvi, Komboni, Watchdog and their own cadres. Anyone tells them the truth is PF or has been bought. Anyone who tells them what they want to hear is telling the “truth”. For the blind supporters, if HH is that popular, how come there are so many people against him. Even HH knows the truth but with a freemason Satanist background, he has higher chance of lying than the Church. The people who say Lungu won are in the majority. Show us your evidence.

    • @Senior Diplomat, Zambia is a fake Christian country. It is not only the pentes and protestants who are hypocrites. You have so-called Catholics who are having their offices blessed and the following day they are brutalising and condemning their fellow citizens. You have charlatans like Mumbwe Phiri putting on a rosary and Catholic Women’s League who are persecuting Tongas with Lungu on a daily basis.

  10. Why should UPND produce evidence to the public and not the concourt ? You guys should be in the fore front shouting and asking from the roof top why the concourt behaved the way they did . If you have forgotten , they said one thing on a Friday and did a different thing on Monday. A court needs to act with clean hands and not act to serve their PF pay masters.

    • Don’t you think 14 days was adequate to present the evidence. A good lawyer should have known better and stuck to what matters not waste time on preliminaries. Should the courts allow the matter to be heard on 23 November, don’t waste time on irrelevant matters stick to what matters and present your evidence.

    • There is no problem with the way the court behaved. UPND wasted their time on preliminaries and not the case when they knew they had limited time. This is because they had no evidence for the main case. They did that hoping that by the time the preliminaries were being dealt with they will have gathered or even fabricated evidence. When they could not produce it the lawyer representing them opted out as he could not proceed with a case without evidence. Be true, without true evidence you are just wasting time. Save your money for reorganizing the party. Find people who can win you an election, people with good judgement not HH and worse still not GBM

    • Absolutely…fourteen days to gather , examine evidence and to put together a solid case before a genuine court requires Mr Bolt’s world breaking marathon speed . There is an adage however which states , justice delayed is justice denied and justice rushed can compromised the outcome. The Zambian constitution was plagiarised from the Kenyan constitution . The Zambian one was twisted on the time required to start and finish petitioning. Having said that, there are a number of times when judges have gone against and overturned set precedents and constitutions in law. This instance in the UPND petition suited that moment…E Munshya 2016 , Prof Ndulo 2016.

      I once brought up a case before the High court in Kitwe. It started in 1998 and finished in 2009.Another food for thought,…

    • Absolutely…fourteen days to gather , examine evidence and to put together a solid case before a genuine court requires Mr Bolt’s world breaking marathon speed . There is an adage however which states , justice delayed is justice denied and justice rushed can compromise the outcome. The Zambian constitution was plagiarised from the Kenyan constitution . The Zambian one was twisted on the time required to start and finish petitioning. Having said that, there are a number of times when judges have gone against and overturned set precedents and constitutions in law. This instance in the UPND petition suited that moment…E Munshya 2016 , Prof Ndulo 2016.

    • To all those rats who say 14 days is 14 days, why were the Kangaroo Court PF judges knocking off at 16:00 every day and refusing to work weekends? Why were they running the court like it was a holiday season and not managing the court process? Are Zambian courts run by the opposing lawyers instead of the judges???

    • @10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4: The constitution says the Concourt shall HEAR the petition within 14 days. It does not say the petition shall be HEARD and DETERMINED within 14 days(as per Kenyan Const). In its current form, this clause is seriously debatable depending on which side one is supporting. It must be revisited by the new Minister of Justice Hon Lubinda.

  11. At this stage all the PVT will not be of use because the malpractice that was exhibited in the elections. The CCMG is relying on information they got from GN forms which were tempered with and in some cases not available. CCMG will do well to explain the 14,000 missing votes and the unauthorised entry at the totalling center. Perhaps then we can be convinced that indeed we had a free and fair election. As things stand they were too many incidences that we have never experienced before

    • If it’s no use, what is your issue? You can’t lead us into civil war over a man who stole national assets and now misuse that wealth against us.

    • If civil war is what is required then so be it. Bembas and Nyanjas are playing kudelela maningi against the other ethnic groups in Zambia. We are not your slaves.

    • Look at this comment. Are we to consider UPND normal? They don’t even fear God in their efforts to disrupt Zambia. Zambians who are not from WESTERN, SOUTHERN and NW, must be careful in their votes in future. The lies HH sold them that only he could have solutions for Zambia and the glass of his money (he stole), is what leD them to vote for him. Wickedness has overwhelmed Zambia. We need cleansing to extract this demonic man and his sub demons. We need to pray to be relieved of this.

    • UPND followers are beyond redemption as long as Mr. Fix it lives!When you kill Mr. Fix it then Zambia shall be saved.

    • Patriot its pukuta who does not fear god,please mind your language the people of n/w,western ,southern and all who voted for UPND refused to vote for music,in 2011 PF supporters voted for DONT KUBEBA,2016 DUNUNA REVERSE,do you expect serious people to vote for music.Even in their fake sontaling PF had nothing to sonta in these Provinces.In western province they tried to be step fathers for the kalabo road but the people there knew it was a lie, their baby king lewanika university was dead at birth.Lying in the morning,lunch and supper viwonenu vi masilu.

    • Mervirick,
      I think you should also ask yourself how the ECZ came up with the results in Lundazi which were more than the total registered voters . On a different point , in a normal world when you have been accused of having done something wrong at work ,your employers do have a legal and moral responsibility to ensure that the evidence is not tempered with .Most employers would suspend you and warn you not to enter work premises. ..DPP tribunal 2015 .At the time the case started , Chulu and Isaacs should have been suspended as they had the keys to the evidence UPND wanted.God knows what ECZ did to the evidence in that fourteen days? It is also shocking that ECZ allowed chavula to enter an IT protected zone and up to now no one has been held responsible . sadly it was a monumental…

  12. The UPND has their Petetion in Court so their PVT cannot be published becoz the matter is subjudice. Besides the UPND PVT is incomplete becoz Vote verification for Lusaka Urban was not done and ECZ did not give out the Gen12. Where did CCMG get the Gen12 they used to complete their PVT? Let ECZ give these Gen12 to UPND. UPND Election Agents did not sign the Gen12 for Lusaka so how did CCMG complete their PVT? CCMG used the rigged Gen12 which ECZ and PF connived and rigged the elections. ECZ should give evidence in Court and demonstrate how PF and Lungu won these elections. If Lungu and PF won this election genuinely and fairly why are they blocking the Petetion illegally? The guilty are very afraid. Until this Petetion is heard and determined Lungu will remain an illegitimate President…

    • @Mwape. It’s never going to happen. The declaration of HIs Excellency is DONE. NO Gen12 can reverse it. Give up.

    • It was done on 13 Sept 2016. And yet here we are today on 11 October still talking about the same issue. The matter is far from being over. Any wonder why everybody is now asking trying to convince UPND to recognize ECL? Even when the man himself said he does not need UPND recognition. Because even our cooperating partners are still sceptical about the new govt. Cash is not flowing into the country. Our governance systems right now don’t give confidence to investors. In short we are in deep s**t. The clergy should instead be working on reconciling the two camps rather than throwing subjective challenges.

    • @Mwape, @ Ngolwa, I agree with your comments. How did these guys complete their PVTs on incomplete or missing information? They sound like their PVT was based on the results that were being announced by ECZ, which were fraudulent. There were reported stories that in some polling stations, the results were more than registered voters, so how do these guys reconcile such discrepancies?

      Besides HH and GBM’s arguments are that the results were tempered with by ECZ in favour of Lungu and bo Inonge, not that he their PVTs showed more numbers.

      As already pointed out, why should they expose their evidence in public when the courts refused to hear it? The onus is on Lungu to prove he won and he’s not an illegitimate president, but he knows he didn’t win.

  13. Please stop talking about HH,he lost and that’s it.He’s simply trying to stay relevant after such a painful defeat.Let him go to ICJ/ICC with his own PVT.People have moved on,so HH and the baby hippo can simply hang.

  14. Mr. Hichilema and Mr. Mwamba should now turn their attention to winning the elections in 2021. The gymmicks they are involved in will not take them anywhere. HH and GBM are still in court seeking clarification on whether the failure to declare Edgar winner by the concourt nullifies ECL’s presidency. I can tell you that the ConCourt rulling will read something like “The failure of the concourt to reach a rulling in the earlier petition due to the failure of the UPND to prosecute the matter in 14 days does not nullify the declaration of the winner by ECZ because ECZ is the only constitutionally mandated institution to declare someone winner of the presidential election.”

    • Hh and gbm can’t win,come 2021 no one will be willing to stand on this party ticket.in 2021 they are losing again.

    • If HH ever got into state house, he would never leave. Cant risk voting for him in 2021 due to the fact that he is a sore loser with a heart full of bitterness and hate who now seems to have a particular hatred for easterners.

  15. This under 5 party will never release their pvt because it does not exist. Even a child knows that you can’t win presidency in Zambia with 4 provinces. Its wishful thinking even the rigging claim. Police should just move in arrest all these people promoting anarchy by fake claims.

  16. Ba Pukuta, why not pressure your courts to hear the petition so you see what evidence the opposition has. It seems you’ve started cleaning ECL’s shoes as your name implies

  17. Remember concourt dununa reversed the case. Allow them to pursue this case to the very end, after all, they have those rights.

  18. Uko uko. Even after the minister of religious affairs has been filled they are still campaigning positions to plunder public resources? The PVT is not he evidence that UPND has as evidence that the election was rigged! There is evidence of abuse of state resources, abuse of electoral process like Chavula manipulating the server to creata virtual network, there is evidence of PF cadres running over the polling station! Lack of objectivity in all these issue by the church is worrying me! Let the reverend explain and tell us how much he was paid by RB to use his office to blinden Nevers Mumba ( in the name of peace and reconciliation) to allow RB take over MMD presidence through Mutati? Can the reverend explain why the returning officer in Kanyama was arrested? Can he answr me why the…

    • You are just mad the lot of you UPND are sick after talking yourselves into winning, the reality does not match the facts.

  19. and the last Pvt will only be known by myself…I’m sorry but is hakainde normal…im trying to see what that means….if surely he had three Pvt systems then that alone could have helped speed up the concourt process…even his own Pvt could have helped but we all know how the story goes,after 14days they said it’s not fare they didn’t hear us out…14days? really.then if the concourt won’t listen to u..use public media and show the people what u know….maybe we can see you’re Pvt which is yours abd yours alone….smh

  20. If UPND provide the PVT that this church grouping is demanding are they able to reinstate the will of the people? It is very sad that the Church, which should be the soul of the nation,has sold its soul for thirty pieces of silver. It is evident that this body has become a PF mouthpiece. How shameful. I do not have a vested interest in either the PF or UPND but I firmly believe that elections should be held to correctly reflect the will of the people. It is my understanding that the UPND are trying to use the legal system to show the correctness of what they believe in.Why would a church body not see the relevance and peaceful nature of this position? Is it because of the money or whatever benefit they have enjoyed that they now need to prove their relevance by sucking up to the powers…

    • @Peter Banda, you clearly are not well informed or having been informed your head could not take it in. UPND had their day in court, failed to present their case, and lost the case because no evidence was provided to support their case. What UPND did is prove that they had no evidence to start with on which they concluded they had been cheated. That is conclusive enough to rule the case vexatious. Thus us just mud flicking, wildly to annoy citizens.

  21. The good Reverend may be right in what he is saying but he should let the politicians speak.Can you imagine one of the Christ’s Apostles issuing a statements on behalf of King Harold?. The line between politicians and clergy is becoming obscure. The church should be peace makers and guardians of social justice for all. Do not classify God’s people into Jews and gentiles.

    • If the evidence is produced it will bring peace!!! Not rhetoric accusations and hate speech by the UPND and its blind supporters. Most of you who are speaking don’t even know whether there is evidence or not. You are just following blindly.

  22. The ConCourt in Zambia has a mandate to hear a loser’s petition in 14days. We are talking about a country and not a club.

    Akainde lost this election before the first vote was cast and decided not to accept the results. The next day he visited Hildah Chibomba, the ConCourt Predident, who assured him that she was going to do everything possible to make sure that he wins the elections, through her court. What happened at the ConCourt is testimony of Chibomba’s resolve to help Ichilema.

    The morals were thrown away and the court became a tribal institution. The leader wanted to have her own way but was stopped from her evil ways by an alert group. This group was called names by Senior Mason Ichilema.
    What I am saying in short is that HH is a bad loser. GBV is a bad loser and the…

  23. The church lost credibility a long time ago. A lot of ills have occurred in the last few months post election. What have they said about … zee

  24. Comment:iwe mwanza you are an ***** panyo pako,during petition u were quite, some was cought Changing figures did you say anything you were just quite, and now you are opening your sticking mouth anyhow,you as a rev,you not be one sided,upnd petition was not head you did not say anything, God will punish for lying,foolish mwanza panyo pako

  25. The group look like they have smoked Dagga. Yours are church issues leave politics to the politicians for Gods
    Pukuta mwanza you lost is ! I am YOu should be ashamed of yourselves, why are you sooooo bothered, if Lungu won, let him continue ruling but then things have become so tough on him, he is seeing red than the usual green

    I like Davis Chama, is very quiet, the same is Mumbi Phiri. What has gone wrong.
    well fo Davis Chama is Defence Minisiter, but for Mumbi Phir? still opening legs to ECL or Dora has taken over?

  26. Mr Mwanza,don’t b tribal by supporting you travel me upnd has pvt which we can’t show unless its in court,allow to b heard then will show u pvt!HH is correct I think so.

    • Think you need to ask those ethnic cleansers in Namwala not to be tribal. Mr Mwanza is not even from eastern province.

  27. HOW DO YOU PUBLISH EVIDENCE IN PUBLIC FOR A CASE WHICH IS STILL IN COURTS, PLEASE CAN SOMEONE EDUCATE THESE SO CALLED EFZ CLERGY TO STOP EXPOSING THEIR IGNORANCE IN PUBLIC. WE ARE FADE UP WITH THIS KIND CLERGYMEN CLAIMING TO BE SENT BY GOD BUT DOING THINGS OPPOSITE.SHUT UP.

    • If this Tonga chap is so sure he won the elections and the matter is before the courts? Shouldn’t he wait for the courts ruling?

  28. It is of no use to produce PVT at this time. What for?The PVT could only have been useful during the sitting of the concourt. The court process is already over. So Rev Pukuta Mwanza and those others are the people who will be given jobs in the new Ministry of National Guidance?

  29. If everyone recalls the late Micheal Sata used to make fun of this this name PUKUTA. Am sure we all know what it means in Bemba. Names have a direct relationship with the Character and intelligence of an Individual. That is why Nkana Football club removed the extension “RED DEVILS”.

  30. What is Rev Mwanza and CCMG’s interest in the UPND PVT? Why are they not asking ECZ, Lungu and PF to prove in Concourt how they won the 2016 elections? If the Petetion is heard properly and fairly in Concourt and Lungu can prove he won fairly then UPND will have no difficulties in accepting and recognising Lungu’s win. The unwillingness to let Concourt hear the Petetion confirms that Lungu stole the election in broadday light. In fact Lungu did not even reach the 50% +1 vote threshold. HH won this Election outright but ECZ and PF stole the vote for Lungu. Illegitimate Lungu will be hounded by the rigging of this election for the rest of his life. Lungu has no shame that is why he stole the client’s trust funds and was de-registered by LAZ for committing this crime. As they say “once a…

  31. when is a person said to be late? supposing UPND had decided to delay the process for another day, two days, one week, a month or even years, would we still have waited for them to be heard? am sure the law felt 14 days was sufficient time for some one to table his grievances. I have noted Zambians are being made to believe that UPND had one day to be heard. it was 18 days and in those 18 days, no such facts were given. am sure, by next week, we shall hear that the ZRA boss denied his 55 workers that reported for work after 8 the right to be heard.

  32. It is very stup.id for these chaps to utter such stupi.d things. UPND already brought the rigging and how their victory was robbed to the public through the ConCourt, but what happened? The Court corruptly refused to hear the petition. So how in God’s name can these idio.ts begin making such stupi.d claims? Don’t think that all of us are as dull as you are. These are just imbeciles who think with their bellies and not their brains.

    • I totally agree with you Questionner. This is a question of Nigerian judges who were so powerful and amassing illicit wealth for themselves. Where are they today?
      There are cheerleaders on this blog who are doing it for their stomachs and not the country. They are so shortsighted. One day there will be a reverse of this same justice and that is when they will see how bad the world can be. Nothing lasts forever, only God. These fake Reverends who are politicians for money will be shamed some day. They have abandoned their calling in pursuit of cash. How can they reconcile the country when they are eating with both hands? If you were upright before it does not mean your sin today should not be condemned.

  33. This happens all the time after elections it was forseen but you still went ahead and participated…this the time for reforms; especially at ECZ; Sort out Govt Printers, sort out Governance issues…no matter how much noise is made Lazy Lungu and his empty tins are here for another 5 years its laughable to think that Concourt will reverse its decision.

  34. MR. PUKUTA MWANZA AND ANOTHER MWANZA AT ZNBC, IT WOULD BE BETTER IF YOU KEPT QUIET. I AM NOT A POLITICAL PARTY CARDER BUT I HAVE BEEN WATCHING ALL MOVES YOU HAVE BEEN MAKING IN SUPPORT OF ONE CANDIDATE WAY BEFORE ELECTIONS. THIS CASE IS STILL IN COURT, WHY SHOULD UPND GIVE U THEIR PVT? WHAT WILL U GIVE THEM IN RETURN? ARE U A COURT NOW? YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN AND I EXPECT U TO ACT MORE LIKE ONE. YOU KNOW WHAT JESUS MEANT WHEN HE SAID, “GIVE CEAZER WHAT BELONGS TO CEASER & GIVE UNTO GOD THAT WHICH BELONGS TO HIM

  35. Comment:Mr Mwanza,being the EFZ leader,we expect u to preach justice all the time.we re suprised to hear word of thugs from your mouth.very shame.how much re u paid for u to start preaching such injustice?why didn’t u talk of the behaviour of the concourt?the concourt is the cause of all these problems.if the petition was heard,the claims by UPND were not going to be there.Now that the matter is still in court,let’s wait & see what ll happen.Don’t be a cadre,remain a man of God & call for justice all the time.

  36. MWANZA wants to create a Kangaroo Cport! Dopen’t he know that Cause is still before the Courts of Law? Why doen’t he ask PF to produce their PVT to prove they have won? They are alleging that they won, can they prove they had a 50%+1 votes, if they think UPND is delaying?

    Why is Mwanza not demanding that the Petition should be Tried and Determined, ginen that only the Hearing stage was completed: completion of Hearing = Commencement of Trial?

    • 14 days =14 × 1day=
      14 days =14 × 1 x 24 hours=
      14 days= 14 × 24 × 60 minutes
      14days = 14 ×24 ×60 ×60 seconds=
      14 days is 14 days

    • @Kampeni: read the constitution and understand it word by word. The Constitution say the Concourt shall HEAR the petition within 14 days. It does NOT say the petition shall be DETERMINED within 14 days. The Court hears the petition and them second step is to determine the verdict. Was the petition determined? What was the final Concourt ruling on the petition? The clause as it is now is NOT complete.

  37. Try hh in 2021and the yapping will continue up to 2026.you can not be doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results,that’s been dull and most of upnd members are dull hence keep yapping every wrong move to be right.MINIONS no medulla ambrogater.

  38. Thats really stupid and foolishness. The court couldn’t hear the case why such niw asking UPND to provide results when Lungu and his team rigged the election. The problem every jim and jack want money from PF

  39. PUKUTA MWANZA AND JOSHUA BANDA ARE PF CADRES AND HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE UPND STOLEN ELECTION. THE STARTING POINT SHOULD BE PRODUCING THE MISSING G12 FORMS.

  40. You mean to tell me that HH is on a free fall to self destruction and NOT a single member of UPND can give him sound advice?

  41. But I see some wise people slowly cropping up among UPND elected leaders. Among them are the MP for Manyinga in NWP who is quoted as saying that there is need to work with the government of President Lungu in order to deliver development to his electorate. Another one is the female Councillor for Dundumwezi who expressed similar sentiments and even expressed her eagerness to receive President Lungu in Dundumwezi. I am sure that that are many more to come on board the development agenda as ballot time is over until 2021.

  42. I appreciate the concern of CCMG and its PVT, but maybe there was something concealed in the election counting process which the CCMG PVT did not capture. Or maybe HH is lying. It is undeniable that unauthorized person was found in the IT area were elections counting results were entered and totaled. That brings a question that has never been answered by the ECZ. Also CCMG has never raised that question and asked ECZ what that man was doing in IT area. That in itself brought a doubt whether the ECZ is credible or not. The only way forward for Zambia to unite is to allow HH to be heard in ConCourt or Supreme Court. Let HH prove beyond reasonable doubt that he won the election, failure to prove, HH should stop saying he won the election. It’s unthinkable for ConCourt to stop to hear from…

    • @See YOU SOUND LIKE SOMEONE WHO GENUINELY BELIEVES THE STORY BY HH THAT HIS VOTES WERE STOLEN. THERE IS NOTHING HIDDEN OR CONCEALED IN THE ELECTION COUNTING PROCESS. THAT MAN WHO WAS FOUND IN THE TOTALING CENTRE WAS HIRED BY UPND TO DISCREDIT THE ELECTIONS. IT WILL BE VERY FOOLISH FOR ECZ OR PF TO PUT SOMEONE IN THE TOTALING CENTRE TO MANIPULATE FIGURES. THE REASON IS SIMPLE. ALL THE PARTIES HAD AGENTS AT EVERY POLLING STATION. AND WHATEVER VOTES CAME TO THE TOTALING CENTRE WERE FIRST CONFIRMED BY EACH PARTY’S POLLING AGENTS AT THE TOTALING CENTRE. EACH PARTY MADE A PHONE CALL TO THEIR POLLING AGENT ON THE GROUND AT THE POLLING STATION TO CONFIRM IF THE RESULTS RECEIVED AT THE TOTALING CENTRE WERE CORRECT. THAT UPND MAN PLANTED AT THE TOTALING CENTRE CANNOT DO ANYTHING. THATS WHY NO ONE…

  43. “Voter malpractice in Zambia is real, therefore we have to guard our votes at all costs and in order to do this as a party we will put in place three PVT systems, the first one will be known by all party members, the second one by a few individuals and the last one will only be known by myself,” Mr Hichilema told the UPND members.

    This is crazy to say the least. So which one is the official one. The one the Hakainde knows and which no other Zambian knows. Egoism by definition

  44. Our polticians are so childish that they fail to accept defeat . HH and his team have no integrity who can trust them they are just a bunch of thugs , people would sympathise with a credible person than a crook.
    Lungu shouldn’t pay attention to the out busts of these failures but concentrate on his work lest he wastes our valued time for development as a nation.

  45. Ati Lungu will die Sata style and do you think HH will be left standing wait and see even that will not give him the presidency.So he might as well commit suicide now before he suffers a massive stroke from bitterness.

  46. UPND has only complaints that their vote was stolen in Munali, Mandevu and Matero constituencies. Apart from these areas its the Lundazi one. Where else did Akainde complain of and after asuring their supporters that they will protect the votes. Its done mudala upto 2021.

  47. Time will tell, God cannot be mocked. Whoever stole the votes will face the consequences of stealing. No matter how PF wants to justify the stealing it will not work well for them. Lesa nimalyotola watch the space.

  48. Pukuta Mwanza is very dull. PVT cannot be evidence. The evidence is in the RECOUNT. Why did the concourt refuse to order custody of ballot boxes when they knew UPND evidence would only be authenticated in a recount.

  49. Zambia is moving towards real democracy where only two parties will contest the Presidency. This will be the case in 2021. In 2026 two parties with one NAME only will contest, e.g. National Party vs Zambian Party.
    You have parties dying out with a mouthful of words.
    Revelation has it that we had UNIP, FOUR LETTERS, MMD, THREE LETTERS, and now PF, TWO LETTERS AND next one is ONE WORD PARTY. it will be like in US , Democrats vs Republicans. Or UK , Labor vs Conservatives.
    Love it or Hate it, its a transition.

  50. These kachemas/tribalists are just wasting our time. Man of God just forget about their hallucinations that have led them into a state of denial. For us the majority of Zambians who voted for ECL ,life continues…..draw water and do not concentrate on frogs making noise at the stream.

  51. PUKUTA MWANZA IS A PF CADRE WHAT IS HE TALKING ABOUT? DOESN’T HE KNOW THAT ONE COMMSSIONER AND SOME STATE HOUSE OFFICIALS MANIPULATED THE FIGURES IN FAVOUR OF PF AFTER NOTICING THAT PF WAS LOSING. THEY FLEW ALL OVER BRIBING PRESIDING OFFICERS TO CHANGE FIGURES. EVEN THE FORM G12 IN SOME CASES WAS NOT ISSUED ESP. IN LUSAKA ..WHY? WHAT WAS CHAVULA DOING IN THE RESULTS ROOM? WHY DID IT TAKE LONG TO ANNOUNCE RESULTS IN LUSAKA COMPARED TO SHANGOMBO

  52. @Kamau NO ONE MANIPULATED ANY FIGURES. ALL FIGURES WERE CONFIRMED BY POLLING AGENTS AT EACH POLLING STATION. IF YOU GOT 2 VOTES FROM ONE POLLING STATION, THAT 2 WILL BE THE SAME ONE REFLECTED AT THE TOTALING CENTRE. THERE WERE NO DISPARITIES. DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT FORM G 12 IS? THE FORM G12 WILL NOT CHANGE YOUR VOTES. IF THEY ARE 2 THEY WILL STILL REMAIN 2 WHETHER FORM G12 IS PRESENT OR NOT. CHAVULA WAS HIRED BY UPND TO DISCREDIT THE ELECTIONS. AFTER REALIZING THAT IT WAS A FAILED PROJECT, UPND HAS ENSURED THAT CHAVULA DISAPPEARS.

  53. If this problem of ECZ is not solved now, that Chavula will still come in 2021 and manipulate the votes . no party is going to win apart from PF .True PF can be in power even for 100 years.

  54. Please you up and down dundumwezian heads spare us this foolishness. your under five boy head and his fat pimp albert bought satellite fones, employed riggers through out the country and still failed to complete their vote tabulation. todate, its a shame that this childish party does not have finalized figures to present before concourt. if pf stole votes, how many votes did pf steal? where is your tabulation of these stolen votes. the truth is you tried to rig in Lusaka and copperbelr when your scheme backfired in dundumwezi and you saw that ECL was headed for a landslide win. the problem in your thieves who tried this were all arrested and that’s how your scheme was scuttled by special branch, hence your incomplete pvt

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