Three other church bodies say dialogue can’t take place if UPND doesn’t recognize President Lungu

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FILE: Independent Churches of Zambia President Bishop David Masupa preaching at the showgrounds during the state funeral

Three other Christian organisations has said that the dialogue much talked about dialogue between United Party for National Development (UPND) and the ruling Patriotic Front (PF) cannot take place if the UPND does not want to recognise President Lungu as the legitimately elected leader.

The Independent Churches of Zambia (ICOZ), Pentecostal Fellowship of Zambia (PFZ) and the Bishops Council of Zambia (BCZ) said in separate interviews that there could be no fruitful dialogue if the UPND insisted that it would not recognise President Lungu as Zambia’s duly elected head of State.

ICOZ board chairman David Masupa said President Lungu was sworn in as President of Zambia and that all the three arms of government had been functioning properly.

Bishop Masupa said Mr Hichilema should accept President Lungu as even the Bible urges people to respect and recognise authority because it comes from God.

“The Church should not be seen to be siding with one party. We all know President Lungu is head of State and everyone should respect that. Until then, it is difficult for dialogue to take place because if it did, in what capacity will he [President Lungu] dialogue with the UPND?” he said.

He urged the Church to stop misguiding the nation.

PFZ executive director Naison Nyonyo said UPND should take the first step of recognising President Lungu and the President will not find it difficult to dialogue with it.
Bishop Nyonyo said individuals who do not respect the law could cause chaos in the country.

BCZ spokesperson Fred Chingole said the Church should not be judgmental in favour of one of the parties.

Yesterday, the Council of Churches in Zambia (CCZ), Zambia Conference of Catholic Bishops (ZCCB) and the Evangelical Fellowship of Zambia (EFZ) called for dialogue in Lusaka yesterday when they held a joint press briefing.

Speaking on behalf of other church mother bodies, ZCCB president Telesphore Mpundu demanded an all-inclusive national indaba which should address challenges the country is facing.

“As we have stated before, the Church stands ready to mediate but is also open to other eminent and neutral persons mediating,” Archbishop Mpundu said.

155 COMMENTS

  1. +19
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    Spot on these UPND donkeys over rate themselves they are in the minority in parliament and have support only in three provinces and GBM and Bishop Mpundu are relatives.

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      This funny now. Churches why ?

      I just a good night sleep and my fiancé and I’m so tired from last night and the churches are now bickering ?

      Thanks

      Bb2014,2016

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      Now the Islamic Satanists (IS) masquerading as Christians are coming out. Just because your Satan has dominion over the world dies not mean that we have to respect Satan’s authority. This is #Christianity101. How did these satanists become Bishops?!

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      These are PF organisations & have no stamina.
      The Mother Church Body yesterday hammered the nail on it head that not only in designation, Zambia is now a dictatorship under PF of visionless Lungusha economy.
      How can UPND or HH recognise Lungu when he lamently failed to give power to the speaker?
      The petition should first be heard without confused PF interfering with the courts.
      The Skeleton Key
      ~206~

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      WHAT SHOULD DIALOQUE BE ABOUT ANYWAY?
      ===========================
      Just kindly advise poor HH to swallow his pride, the bitter pill of losing an election and let him begin to reorganise his party. August 11 polls are history now, I wonder what the fight is about. We can’t surely nullify ECL’s credible reelection now. We can’t go to the polls again. We definitely can’t go back. Whilst ababelebele are pondering on 2021 polls, HH is still wallowing in his 2016 loss and still living in Denial. Now is this the Dununa Reverse HH has suffered. Ecsay, he is still thinking in Reversal. Sad.

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      UPND has many crisis points among them: luck of mature and tactical thought leadership. School yard politics cannot thrive on the national arena. They say Zambia has neither Government nor President and Chagwa has no constitutional mandate or power over state affairs. Then how you are going to engage him on matters of statecraft? They are in a quagmire that has even absorbed UPND troll Telephore Mpundu having lost his relevancy yesterday when he issued a fatwa on the Republic of Zambia. The courts have again shown that he is just a political troll pandering to his political camp mindlessly and not worth taking serious.

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      @Skeleton
      That is dununa reverse thinking. The HH petition and speaker thing thing is history. In case you’re still in 2016, buddy, the election was won by ECL. This is June 2017 and we are moving forward and you still get reverse or stagnant in August 2016.

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      FOLKS DON’T WORRY ABOUT RECOGNITION, IT’S PURE BLACKMAIL – IT AMOUNTS TO NOTHING, ZERO.
      ====================================
      I wonder why you people worry about recognition. You’re wasting your valuable time arguing about this subject. Let them not recognise ECL but between you and I we know that world over all people know that we have a president except for a minute grouping of thugs called UPND in the corner of Zambia. Hey please, don’t mind them now. Just listen to how si.lly they sound defending their stance. You don’t need to convince them on this matter just let them waste their time, ungrateful bunch of losers. Why the need to dine with little de.vils?

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      The church mother bodies conducted their own PVT in last general elections and observed that their findings were not at great variance with those of ECZ, maybe they should tell us if they too did not accept the results. How then has the church mother bodies found it difficult to counsel UPND to accept the result as a starting point for dialogue? There is serious hypocrisy being exhibited by the Church unfortunately. People are mature and can see through the schemes of some of these church leaders. If people have personal political inclinations stop using the church in the name of ‘mother bodies’, speak for yourselves, as church members we don’t agree with you on many things. Stop dividing us.

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      @Thorn 1.6
      I share your sentiments as it relates to whether the decision will be reversed by the Constitutional court to hear the petition or/and that this may lead to the nullification of Edgar victory vis a vis HH’s soul and supporters appeasement. Surely this is a weird stance from UPND under the guise of recognition. We can’t call for early polls because the country has no money. I am struggling to understand Bishop Mpundu’s stance because if he seems to suggest that there could be a chance of a government of national unity, there is an enormous amount of mistrust between the 2 top political parties in Zambia. Never say never though. Who thought that PF and MMD be doing Govt business together with all that political beef between them?

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      This is the same man of gold who championed Chiluba’s illfated 3rd term bid. Hiring fake pastors to receive brown envelopes from Ftj and now from lungu

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      IT IS A SHAME TO SEE A CHURCH GROUP PARADING IT’S IMPUNITY OVER ECL WHOM THE WHOLE WORLD HAS SAID HAS BEEN DULY ELECTED IN A FREE, FARE AND PEACEFUL ELECTIONS. IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE TELESPHORE MPUNDU GROUP DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT IS IN THE BIBLE. THEY DON’T READ IT. OR THEY JUST READ CHAPTERS WHICH COMPROMISE WITH THEIR IMPUNITY. TERRIBLY VERY BAD CHURCH LEADERSHIP INDEED. BA MPUNDU BAKATAMPE UKUBELENGA BIBLE FROM PAGE ONE. I AM SO DISAPPOINTED BY HIS IGNORANCE IN HIS DOMAIN. HE SEEMS TO BE SO COMPROMISED.

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      The name Nyonyo just says it all for me ….at least in not recognising presidency of ECL, HH has taken it through the legal route of which he has complained he has not been given the full legal “audience” …these so called church Bodies cannot even condemn the manner in which UPND political prisoners are being treated all in the name of recognising ECL ….small wonder

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      Before the Bembas discovered cattle they lived off MONKEY SMOKED meat…! Hence the health problems today… STUPID Monkey Killers.
      STOP EATING MONKEYS – LEAVE THEM ALONE. TONGAS GAVE YOU BEEF

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      What is currently taking place in Zambia is simply stupid, nonsense and foolishness. The current happenings are quite annoying. The UPND cannot be arm-twisted to recognize President Lungu for two or three reasons as follows: (1) Recognition in itself is supposed to be AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE AGENDA LIST OF THE UPND WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO BE PRESENTED TO THE PF IN THE DIALOGUE. LIKEWISE, THE PF ITSELF IS SUPPOSE TO GIVE A COUNTER AGENDA LIST FOR DIALOGUE INCLUDING THE ISSUE OF RECOGNITION. (2) IN A DIALOGUE YOU DON’T GIVE PRE-CONDITIONS BECAUSE PRESIDENT LUNGU HIMSELF IS NOT GOING TO BE A CHAIRMAN OF THAT DIALOGUE. A MEDIATOR WILL BE THE CHAIRMAN. SO, WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE THESE OTHER CHURCHES HEADED BY MASUPA TALKING ABOUT? HAS THIS PASTOR MASUPA EVER HELD OR ATTENDED A DIALOGUE…

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      Sarah @Mambwe, you are really annoyed and scared? You are calling your fellow human beings, created by the Almighty God, donkeys? In a Christian Country? Because of worldly differences? IN FACT, WHEN YOU ANALYSE WHAT IS HAPPENING CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTRY, UPND IS NOT A THREAT TO THE PF. KELVIN FUBE BWALYA, CHISHIMBA KAMBWILI, MWENYA MUSENGE AND OTHERS WITHIN THE PF ARE MORE DANGEROUS TO LUNGU’S ADMINISTRATION THAN THE UPND AND INNOCENT HH. IMAGINE HOW MUCH THEY KNOW ABOUT YOUR PARTY AND PRESIDENT! HH KNOWS ALOT ABOUT THE PF BUT NOT COMPARED TO KAMBWILI OR FUBE, FOR EXAMPLE. PF, IT’S TIME YOU HAD SERIOUS ANALYSERS. AIM YOUR ARSENALS PROPERLY OTHERWISE YOU ARE MISSING THE PRAY!

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      Nonsense, Dialog and reconciliation comes first before recognition? what the hell is this man talking about. that’s why you have it all wrong. Moreover you hungry church leaders are misleading the President.

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      Jesus did not wait for us to recognise him before he could show his love by dying for us. While we were yet sinners he died for us and said love one another as I have loved you. Jesus further said if you only love those who love you, then you are no diigerent from pahans. Dialogue is always important.

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      Legitimately elected? Do these guys know that it’s constitutionally legal to challenge elections in Zambia? They wouldn’t have pushed the the petition, if was Legitimately elected, don’t put this mess on upnd, but the judiciary for handling the petition incompetently.

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      One of my friends above is right, the church needs reconciliation, before they ask politicians to reconcile.

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    So according to you people of God, our country and our way of life should be destroyed because some people don’t recognize the President?

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      Bloodthirsty Lungu wants more blood after shedding Mapenzi’s and Choongwa’s blood. Lungu is a mere tinpot dictator full of himself whose ending will be worse than Gaddafi and Samuel Doe. He is a crooked and power-hungry tyrant.

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      @Nkhata bay:
      ICOZ, PFZ and BCZ – Those are NOT church mother bodies BUT Christians for Lungu Churches funded by Lungu himself. The devil has penetrated in the Zambian Churches for these agents of lucifer to come out like that! Dialogue should NOT have preconditions as these sons of the devil have stated.
      Why don’t they want the petition to be heard?
      All that UPND wants is for the petition to be heard and they will recognise Lungu if the court find him to be the elected president – so why doesnt he want the case to be heard? As at the moment, Lungu remains an illegal president who is likely to face treason charges once out of office. The speaker Mazyubini and CJ Mambilima will also face charges of breach of the constitution. Like it or NOT, this will be pursued with vigour when that…

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      Nkata Bay exactly my way of thinking these people are not seeing it our way; they cannot force HH to recognize Lungu as president because of the way the elections were conducted and all the rigging that went on; the only way out is to have the petition heard and that will put paid to all the animosity going on right now; it is HH s constitutional right to not recognize Lungu as president until the petition is heard and all evidence produced and the court finds that Lungu won or lost the elections; SO PLEASE LET THE PETITION BE HEARD THEN WE CAN LIVE IN HARMONY AGAIN.

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      These are PF mother bodies not church mother bodies. We have never even heard of these before until now. Let them ask Lungu to provide evidence he truly won. Let him not abuse state institutions. The truth is Lungu is scared of the truth coming out this why whatever he can to stop it he will. However, when you are not in line with God punichment will come upon you

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    That’s the only way to go. Telephone Mpundu is a worst crook ever lived on earth from the clergy surpassing nevers crooked mumba

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      His Grace Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu is a holy man. Lungu is the devil who has killed many people, imprisoned countless opposition opponents, and daily steals from Zambians.

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      Surprise, surprise, surprise… all along I’ve known the existence of the three Church Mother Bodies but where have these other three come from all of a sudden? Why weren’t they heard before until yesterday? Hurriedly assembled by the PF government to counter the real church mother bodies? Brown envelops at work?

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      Mpundu’s sister was second wife to Sata but Mpundu didn’t see anything wrong wìth that but continued dispensing Holy Communion to his brother in law.

      The man is bitter about something and wants church mother bodies to follow him blindly.

      Have we heard anything from the SDA Organization where HH belongs?

      Did you see any SDA at the Mpundu organized prayer session for HH?

      Ba Mpundu, don’t hide behind the church, come out.

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      Under which law? It’s over and your god hh will learn it the hard way…..6 months to go! Akapusa again niku mulonga na futi.. kikiki

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    Ba Masupa, if there was recognition, there would be no impasse. Now that the impasse exists dialogue is needed. Its rather shameless to force the other for recognition! Recognition, just as respect, is earned and not dictated.

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    Spot on…! How do u call for dialogue between two parties when the other party does not recognize the president? Mpundu should first start with advising hh to accept Lungu as president..then the rest will follow. Let mpundu join politics if he wants instead of hiding behind church. Did mpundu consult us as Catholics before going to the media? Hypocrisy at its best..!

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      Munene what kind of Catholics are you who don’t listen when your leaders pray for peace? You and Mumbwe Phiri are Islamic Satanists (IS) masquerading as christians.

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      At Buck Teeth …His Grace Bishop Mpundu and the mother bodies have thrown away an opportunity to mediate. By calling Lungu a dictator they have insulted Lungu and PF. It will be difficult for PF to accept their mediation which is very sad for Zambia. PF have made mistakes and so has UPND too and the church should have seized this opportunity to counsel both Parties and bridge the gap. Zambia is bigger than PF and UPND …and for the sake of Zambia the Bishops should have taken an impartial approach.

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      It is the same church bodies that did a PVT and did not dispute the winning of ECL.

      That is why people are querrying where is their counsel to HH about respecting the sitting head of the state as demanded by the bible which these bishops preach from?

      What bishops have done is to fuel anger and all sorts of emotion and not good for Zambia. In my view they have fallen short of the calling of their office. They have let Zambia down. These bishops are shepherds of both PF and UPND. They should be nation builders and peace brokers

      I agree with them on the release of HH and sincerely hope the judge hearing this case will do the needful by granting HH bail. This country needs healing and releasing HH is part of the first step.

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    What we have folks is what they call a Mexican Stand Off.all guns drown church mother bodies against Christians for lungu

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      Christians for Lungu are interlopers, pretenders, and Islamic Satanists (IS).

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    When did self-appointed “bishops”, with congregations of dozen cadres, become “church mother bodies”???

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    The CCZ, the ZCCB, and the EFZ are hypocritical and one sided in their criticism of ECL and the PF government. For the first time I concur with Masupa and the Independent Churches of Zambia (ICOZ), Pentecostal Fellowship of Zambia (PFZ), and the Bishops Council of Zambia (BCZ. Even though their own PVT tallied with ECZ results, showing that ECL won the elections, the CCZ, the ZCCB, and the EFZ seem reluctant to persuade HH to recognize ECL as the legitimate president of Zambia. Instead they are demanding that this “illegitimate” president, ECL, should release HH! The CCZ, ZCCB, and EFZ have never censured HH for his reckless behavior in Limulunga, but are quick to accuse ECL of dictatorial tendencies when HH is arrested for such misbehavior!

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      @Facts, I totally agree with you. I am very much Catholic but on this one, I think the Bishop and his other friends are just playing to the gallery. The Churches did a PVT and their findings were broadcasted for all to hear. HH took the matter the to the Concourt and he couldn’t provide the proof in the stipulated period that the elections were rigged. Just what is the agenda here? Indeed if the three Church mother bodies are serious about promoting peace, they should start by censuring HH to respect the will of the majority of Zambians who voted for PF. Or should we also start demonstrating to defend our vote?

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      Sarah @Mambwe, you are really annoyed and scared? You are calling your fellow human beings, created by the Almighty God, donkeys? In a Christian Country? Because of worldly differences? IN FACT, WHEN YOU ANALYSE WHAT IS HAPPENING CURRENTLY IN THE COUNTRY, UPND IS NOT A THREAT TO THE PF. KELVIN FUBE BWALYA, CHISHIMBA KAMBWILI, MWENYA MUSENGE AND OTHERS WITHIN THE PF ARE MORE DANGEROUS TO LUNGU’S ADMINISTRATION THAN THE UPND AND INNOCENT HH. IMAGINE HOW MUCH THEY KNOW ABOUT YOUR PARTY AND PRESIDENT! HH KNOWS ALOT ABOUT THE PF BUT NOT COMPARED TO KAMBWILI OR FUBE, FOR EXAMPLE. PF, IT’S TIME YOU HAD SERIOUS ANALYSERS. AIM YOUR ARSENALS PROPERLY OTHERWISE YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT!

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    Without hearing the petition UPND will never recognise the PF govt? If PF wants they take all us in prison we do not care God will find in opposition.

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      I bet you on your poor little soul, that ain’t gonna happen. Go hung if you don’t like it. Tick Tock, Tick TockTick TockTick TockTick TockTick TockTick TockTick TockTick TockTick Tock to 2021.
      History has a way of repeating itself.

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    The cry for recognition is the best indication that Lungu didn’t win the elections. The voice of these 3 mother bodies is scattered. They actually speaking as individuals who head organizations and not as the organizations. All the three carry the same weakness. Anyone who has heard the 3 criticise the government in anyway?

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      Where is the evidence that Lungu is crying for recognition? What matters is not recognition from clearly biased and partisan church mother bodies but recognition from the majority of Zambians who cast votes for Lungu. I live in Kabulonga and was at Kapingila House where Telesphore Mpundu was giving the press briefing. What shocked me was the huge presence of UPND cadres and officials at the press briefing.

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    Which church can allow dogs to be used on others,Which church can allow police officers to wear masks as criminals,Which church can allow police officers breaking private property
    Which church can allow illegally ministers not to refund our money?
    Which church can allow peoples freedom of assembly and speech to be cut?
    I am not supprised because even Kafafi and Hitler had supporters as well.

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    News broke late last night: Pukuta Mwanza distanced himself and the rest of the EFZ from Mpundu’s statement which had strong influence from known upnd members and it was not discussed and agreed upon first. As the Chitimukulu put it, this matter requires neutrality from bodies like the church, the chiefs. How can Mpundu claim to represent Zambians as the church when Zambia has 75% protestant church going population and catholics only number 20%??? Thank you Bishop Masupa, Mpundu should have called all the mother bodies first, then they conference and come up with a resolution before even approaching state house!!! SHAME ON YOU, ARCHBISHOP MPUNDU!!!

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      You might be too dull to read! Look at the signatories to the statement. In any case, 20% is more than material to any logical mind. That’s not to agree that Catholics represent 20% of Zambians. That stat cannot be proven. Pukuta Mwanza is another Wako supporting his fellow Wako. Wakonism rules among Pentes, okay!

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      Typical of some pentecostal Pastors. These are the same people who used to praise Chiluba because of brown envelopes. Why do you think they are doing the same to Lungu this time? How can a man of God agree with the brutality being unleashed by state organs on innocent civilians and organisations that are perceived as enemies of the PF and Lungu?. Masupa and his cabal are just men of Gold with no following. Catholics have always stood for justice in Zambia’s political history. No sensible person can dispute the fact that Mpundu has always spoken for the poor masses who are suffering in the country unlike hypocrites like Masupa. When are Zambians ever going to wake up?

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    To hell with your recog…things! You are just refusing to admit the fraud PF committed by foregoing the rerun and hijacking the electoral process. No amount of rhetoric will atone for the wrongs PF committed. True dialogue is anchored on Truth like the Truth and Reconciliation Commission we had in SA. It is not about recognition of the so called rude humble political rodomontades!

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    When will pipo get it thru their thick skulls that there is no LAW requiring the president to be recognized.
    Maybe he has an inferiority complex because he was sworn in by a lowly clerk of courts rather than the chief justice or deputy chief justice as enshrined in the constitution. Before anyone says they were busy, there is no provision in the constitution to delegate their legally defined duty in the constitution. This is the rule of law that was not followed

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      He has an IC. That is why he feels inadequate when he is not putting something on his head…Kikikiki

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      They were not busy because they both attended Lungu’s PFake inauguration at the Disaster Stadium. The CJ and DCJ were seated while the Clerk of the Supreme Court swore in Lungu. It was a strategic decision so that they could claim not to have conspired to break the Constitution in future.

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    These are failures who have found food, shelter and survival in churches. It is not a secret that this government is abusing its mandate. Freedom of expression, assembly, are gone. ZNBC never mention any other view apart from PF and a normal church should say all is well! !! Ma rubbish!!!
    These people may be surviving from PF hand outs!
    Arch Mpundu and his group brought out the truth as it is. Thumps up!!!!

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    Zambian citizen and the chitimukulu is neutral in zambian politics. Forget crap talk about recognisition and hh look at how the economy is going and how the general public is managing today as compared to 1 year ago.
    Economics of this country is more important than the vomit that is constantly spewed about the bloody recognition of a man

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    Let us have a fair playing ground and all this happenings in our country will be a thing of the past. Let the petition be heard, Whatever the outcome politicians will have to dialogue. Its bad to see people rendering a blind eye on the petition.

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      IF THE PETITION IS HEARD CONTRARY TO THE CONSTITUTION, THAT IN ITSELF IS LACK OF NEUTRALITY. SUBJECTING ECL TO ANOTHER HEARING OF THE PETITION IS ALSO DENYING ECL HIS HUMAN RIGHTS. HOW DO YOU SUBJECT SOMEONE TO AN ELECTION THAT HE HAS ALREADY WON? EVEN ECL HAS HIS HUMAN RIGHTS. UPND SHOULD JUST CONTINUE CAMPAIGNING IN LONDON, EU, RSA. MAYBE THEY MAY WIN IN 2021.

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    But why should we plead with U5, ********** and Telesbore Mpundu to recognise the President that we the majority elected? I think it is a waste of time, we dont need the Donkeys and their variants. Let them rot in jails, in their church offices, in their minds, wherever they are, Xambia SHALL CONTINUE WITHOUT THEM. I am very incensed with this Mpundu donkey, Catholic archbishop you said it is? I dont see any christianity in its behaviour, just making things worse.
    I have a feeling that the Pope will soon discipline this donkey for those satanic words which are totally unrepresentative of the noble Vatican. The sober Catholic priests may also rebel. Watch the space.

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      Iwe Terrible, tell them these little political masquerades, tell them iwe! They think winning an election is a joke.

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    There is No Law which requires HH and UPND to recognize Lungu as President. Refusal or Failure to recognize Lungu as a President is Not a Crime and neither is it Treasonable. Lungu is wrong to arrest and imprison HH simply becoz he Petitioned and refused to recognize Lungu as President. U cannot charge HH with Treason becoz he refused to recognize Lungu as President. This is illegal and unconstitutional. The way forward is to start a Dialogue between Lungu and HH. HH must be released from Jail unconditionally and SADC should mediate the Dispute. The Disputed and Petitioned 2016 Election should be on the Agenda. The Release of HH from Jail and the start of Dialogue should be unconditional. The Christians for Lungu are silent on the Incarceration of HH and the fake Treason Charges slapped…

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      Emotional blackmail called recognition is rather naive. Who damn cares? Zambia is moving forward with PF the Govt of the day. Government and everything is going forward while UPND is dununaed reverse. Damn, I never got to imagine JK and colleagues’ message behind their 2016 polls song. Man, I am seeing PF adopting the real forward thing thing in reality and UPND are either jammed or rewinding and winding up.
      I am not PF but we are seriously lacking checks and balances. Check this out. Miyanda’s Heritage is dead, Edith is mute except for Antonio, Green’s Sinkamba is trying, Saviour sounds like a lunatic, Kabimba is trying, UPND’s gone jammed and lost direction, MMD is working with PF, UNIP is posthumous. PF is enjoying the absence of real checks and balances. We have the real…

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      Emotional blackmail called recognition is rather n.aive. Who damn cares? Zambia is moving forward with PF the Govt of the day. Government and everything is going forward while UPND is dununaed reverse. Damn, I never got to imagine JK and colleagues’ message behind their 2016 polls song. Man, I am seeing PF adopting the real forward thing thing in reality and UPND are either jammed or rewinding and winding up.
      I am not PF but we are seriously lacking checks and balances. Check this out. Miyanda’s Heritage is dead, Edith is mute except for Antonio, Green’s Sinkamba is trying, Saviour sounds like a lu.natic, Kabimba is trying, UPND’s gone jammed and lost direction, MMD is working with PF, UNIP is posthumous. PF is enjoying the absence of real checks and balances. We have the real…

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      Emotional blackmail called recognition is rather n(a)ive. Who da.mn cares? Zambia is moving forward with PF the Govt of the day. Government and everything is going forward while UPND is dununa.ed reverse. Damn, I never got to imagine JK and colleagues’ message behind their 2016 polls song. Man, I am seeing PF adopting the real forward thing thing in reality and UPND are either jammed or rewinding and winding up.
      I am not PF but we are seriously lacking checks and balances. Check this out. Miyanda’s Heritage is dead, Edith is mute except for Antonio, Green’s Sinkamba is trying, Saviour sounds like a l(u)natic, Kabimba is trying, UPND’s gone jammed and lost direction, MMD is working with PF, UNIP is post-humous. PF is enjoying the absence of real checks and balances. We have the real…

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      E.motional blackmail called recognition is rather na(i)ve. Who da(m)n cares? Zambia is moving forward with PF the Govt of the day. Government and everything is going forward while UPND is dun.una.ed rev.erse. Da(m)n, I never got to imagine JK and colleagues’ message behind their 2016 polls song. Man, I am seeing PF adopting the real forward thing thing in reality and UPND are either jammed or rewinding and winding up.
      I am not PF but we are seriously lacking checks and balances. Check this out. Miyanda’s Heritage is dead, Edith is mute except for Antonio, Green’s Sinkamba is trying, Saviour sounds like a l(u)natic, Kabimba is trying, UPND’s gone jammed and lost direction, MMD is working with PF, UNIP is post-humous. PF is enjoying the absence of real checks and balances. We have…

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      Lungu – But there is a law against anarchy. This where your dullness really shows up. HH and anybody else are free not to recognize President Lungu – but when you engage in actions to undermine his Government, you will be charged even with treason.

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      Wonders never end. @Lungu, you seriously allocated time to craft such low key points and at the same time troubling your intelligence by refusing to think STRAIGHT? Did the treason charge slapped on your boyfriend arise from his refusal to recognize the presidency of one Edgar Chagwa Lungu or that your boyfriends lack of maturity served him right?

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      There’s no treason over a road rage incident. Lungu has an ego problem coupled with his inferiority complex for growing up poor in Chawama. (BTW how many successful lawyers stay in Chawama even after they have made it?). Lungu is now a tinpot dictator, drooling for blood. This Islamic impostor has chased away donors and now wants to alienate the church. Lungu is a satanist in State House.

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      @Lungu, what dialogue are you advocating for? To discuss what? Elections, economy, the Courts or what?

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      Hmmmm @Back Teeth Lungu I didn’t know it was that serious. Did the doctor finally confirm it?

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      You are right comrade Lungu! Those arguing against what you have said need to listen to the beautiful analysis by President Muliokela – the man humbled me yesterday. He may be poor but he has the wisdom and brains! Check Zambian eagle Facebook site.

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      These Vuvuzelas are putting the cart before the horse. Dialogue must precede recognition.

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    People honestly speaking, how can you expect UPND ,the aggrieved party, the party which is not satisfied with the out come of the previous general elections to recognise Mr Lungu.UPND exercised their guaranteed rights by petitioning the election unfortunately the petition was thrown out. Surely how do you expect to be peace.Untill that time the petition will be heard will there be peace and recognition of who ever will emerge victorious.
    I think as a youth of this country I put the blame on our leaders who are not being sincere in the way they are handling issues. They are really misleading the youthful of this country. Therefore I implore all well meaning youths to stop being misled. Let face the truth.

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      @ 20. Surely there is no law which requires any one to recognize the incumbent but who are you appealing to to release ba HH,and what if the president says HH you are released will he refuse to come out since he does not recognize Lungu as president? UPND should just grow up, for how long are you going to keep on crying over the elections!You have underestimated ECL and these are the dividends.

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      BENECHISI – Why are UPND aggrieved when the international community and the majority of Zambians accepted the election results and graded the elections free and fair? Is UPND the first Party to lose elections in Zambia?

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      Under which law? It’s over and your god hh will learn it the hard way…..6 months to go! Akapusa again niku mulonga na futi.. kikiki

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    The Root cause of this Crisis is the Disputed and Petitioned 2016 Election. Until this Petition is heard and determined in Court and the Winner is declared duly elected the Crisis will not go away. HH and UPND will Never recognize Lungu as a Legitimate President becoz he stole the Election and abrogated the Zambian Constitution in so many ways. We have a Stalemate and SADC should step in to mediate the Dispute but HH should be released from Jail first and unconditionally.

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    Surely Ba Upnd I am amazed by your thinking its a wonder, ati the Petition should be heard are you serious??? . Let me put it through your thick heads THE PETITION ELAPSED AFTER 14 DAYS AS PER THE CONSTITUTION OF ZAMBIA WHICH THE PRESIDENT SWORE TO DEFEND. THERE WILL BE NO PETITION UNTIL 2021 AFTER YOU LOOSE AGAIN.

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      Not everyone with opposing views is UPND you halfwits! Look at the bigger picture! We are first of all Zambians with God-given freedoms. Anybody who ascends to the presidency and chooses to take away our freedoms shall be our enemy number one. PF wants to bring a one party state and we say HELL NO! If you are a discerning citizen who is not blinded by political gifts you will see how the PF economic and political mismanagement is disadvantaging our children’s future. We don’t want to leave behind a Zambia where citizens are defined by tribe or political persuasion. The mistake Chagwa has made is the war he wants with the Church. That will be his downfall!

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    ICOZ board chairman David Masupa said President Lungu was sworn in as President of Zambia 

    Sworn in by who ?, a Clark ??????

    Even the peace dove refused to fly

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    HH and UPND have acted constitutionally. They Petitioned the 2016 Election becoz they believe they won the Election outright but Lungu stole their Election Victory. Lungu claims he won the Elections outright. Why doesn’t these Pentecostal Churches tell Lungu to produce in Court evidence showing that Lungu won the Election. For the last 9 months Lungu has blocked the Petition Hearing Process. Why? Lungu stole the 2016 Election and that’s why he is blocking the Petition Hearing Process. When u see a suspected Shoplifter refusing to be body searched then u know the man stole. When u see a father refusing to undergo a DNA Test then u know that he is not the biological Father. When u see a suspected Vote Thief refusing a Vote Recount and Verification then u know that man stole the votes. U…

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      I like the example of a shoplifter! We have an election lifter who doesn’t want to be searched through the petition process!

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      Good analogy…..it’s as simple as that, it can not be any simpler than that.

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      Well, a very well-known thief cannot be taken seriously when they start accusing others.

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    Quote of the day, curtesy NM
    Citizens will recall that one of Edgar Lungu’s customary demeanours in order to woo votes was to feign ‘humbleness’ by walking around with a gait of Mother Teresa with hands clutched together like an altar boy. He undertook a country wide tour of Churches sometimes in most unusual places like tents and makeshift structures as he spoke on pulpits with a lisped accent of a 14th century Saint.
    His handlers took pictures of him reading bibles and kneeling in pews being ‘anointed’ by hired Pastors and Priests who declared him ‘chosen’ by God to lead Zambia. All this was done to dupe people in order to win votes from those that could not read between the lines.

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    These “demonic and political mother bodies”created by late te President Chiluba still functioning? These are money laundering mother bodies.

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    There is no law which forces upnd to recognize ECL and equally there is NO LAW WHICH ALLOWS ECL TO RELEASE HH FROM MUKOBEKO!!
    so as much as upnd do not recognize ECL,they should also stop begging or crying to president Edgar Lungu to release prisoner # 1-hh!!
    News broke last night that Telespore Mpundu(GBM’s relative) held the upnd news briefing in full view of gbm,garry nkombo,mutale nalumango,etc yesterday.so whatever mpundu said was his personal opinion and not from church mother bodies.IF UPND LEADERS ARE WISE,THEY COULD HAVE NOT ATTENDED MPUNDU’S BRIEFING FOR THIS PROPAGANDA TO CARRY WEIGHT,BUT SINCE THEY ARE DU11,THEY MADE MPUNDU’S PROPAGANDA USELESS!!

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    Ba UPND the problem with you is that you are living in a dream you still think it’s September 2016, wake up!!! HH is in Mukobeko and ECL is in state house and you say you don’t recognise him Wow!! Incredible let me tell you in simple terms YOU DO NOT HAVE THE NUMBERS TO TAKE ON THE PF,YOU ARE NOT AS POPULAR AS YOU THINK. If HH was popular there would be riots everywhere as we saw in Gambia and ivory coast but here when ECL was announced the winner there was jubilation. It’s time to wake up and strategize for 2021 this is taking you nowhere!

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      Your problem is that you are being short sighted, if people like Mandela were thinking like you, Mandela would never have liberated SA.
      The fact that People in Zambia did riot, has nothing to do popularity of HH, the root cause is Zambian docility. It stems from the colonial era, did your grandparents have the guts to rise against muzungu? Nope!! Did you have the guts to rise against KK 27years of dictatorship? Nope!!
      West African are known to fight for their rights, you can not speak of coward Zambians. A someone is taking advantage of that, and due to your natural docility, you support him, as you have no option. I am not UPND.Did you rise up when Mapenzi was murdered? Nope.

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    What kind of churches are these who can’t encourage parties to to dialogue and move on? Churches who cannot preach forgiveness and encourage parties to dialogue are fake. Most of these Pentecostal churches e.g Christians for Lungu are fake. How can a church be named after an individual? No one person on earth can be compared to Jesus. You guys are mocking God.If you can’t accept your wrongs you are doomed.

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    Which normal person can listen to these booflicker types instead of organisations that include the Roman Catholic church and people like the Archibishop Mpundu?

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    No one is begging Lungu to release HH from Mukobeko.You people should learn to quote words carefully. You see the Judicial system is compromised in Zambia. There exist invisible hands controlling the running of the Judicial system. The law is being abrogated. The constitution is no longer relevant. If we had a strong system in Zambia HH could not have been slapped with fake treason. We have laws for those in opposition and not in power. Laws are there on paper but its shameful that they are being recklessly enforced on those perceived opponents. Some govmt officials have no regard for the law. But don’t forget that this same law that is being disregarded today, Someone will need it for protection someday.
    This is my wise counsel.

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    To force someome or a group of people to accept and recognise a decision that has been challenged publicly is cruel, brutal and bullying. A fair hearing was supposed to have been conducted after that if fair ground court rules in favour of the incumbent that is when you impress on the complainant to accept decision. Needless to mention that the Mongu to Limulunga road is a narrow remote road leading from a neglected district to a village, it is not a highway or a motor way designed for fast overtaking big cars.

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    These Christians for Lungu bishops are a disgrace to the church. The love of money is the root for all evil and these bishops for Lungu will one day be answerable to God for their evil deeds with Lungu.

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    Yes, Bembas EAT MONKEYS – lucky productivity and intellect – eat chickens instead – YABA

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    I THINK THERE IS A CRISIS ONLY AMONG BLOGGERS. NOT IN THE NATION AT LARGE. KIKIKIKI. LEADERS OF CHURCH MOTHER BODIES LIKE CHIEFS DO NOT SWAY THE ELECTORATE. THESE ARE THEIR OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS. AND REVEREND PUKUTA MWANZA IS NOT PART AND PARCEL OF THIS PRESS RELEASE.

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    The tested legitimate Mother Bodies of Integrity have already spoken .Bishop Masupa please shut up

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    Thanks to the internet and YouTube.com, the inconvenient facts of the matter Lungu’s Govt and State prosecutors are facing is that the World can access the video clips of the motorcade incident in question and see for themselves NOTHING TREASONABLE HAPPENED. As a result, its proving very difficult for the prosecutors to exaggerate and make a case for even a traffic offence, much less a treason case.
    This is how dumb Lungu’s Govt is, and has degenerated mother Zambia down to a laughing stock to anyone in the World who has seen the Youtube video clips. Its extremely embarrassing in this day and age, and makes our colonial slave masters look like Sunday school teachers.

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    ALL YOU UPND AND PF CADRES STOP FOR A MOMENT
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    What would be the agenda or topic of discussions during those dialogue sessions? If the dialogue is mearnt to come to an agreement concerning: 1) Enabling hearing of the Petition and 2) Acceptance and recognition of ECL as President.
    Then for those who mean well to have the dialogue, you can NEVER THINK OF PUTTING THE ABOVE POINTS as pre-conditions for dialogue. So whichever side raises any of above as condition is not serious about dialogue. And all the debates here are just useless including those churches. Period.

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    IT IS NO LONGER WHAT THE SO CALLED CHURCH MOTHER BODIES SAY THAT MATTERS. IT IS WHAT THE VOTERS IN THE 6.5 PROVINCES SAY THAT MATTERS AT THE END OF THE DAY. AND THE IRONY OF THIS SITUATION IS THAT EVEN IN THE 6.5 PROVINCES THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE SAME CHURCH MOTHER BODIES WHO ARE NEVER MOVED BY THE PERSONAL OPINIONS OF SUCH LEADERS.

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    TELESPHO MPUNDU.CATHOLICS BISHOPS AND PRIEST PERPETRATED GENOCIDE IN RWANDA.OTHERS ARE IN JAIL WHILE SOME RAN AWAY FROM KAGAME.
    TELEPHO MPUNDU’S CARELESS AND RECKLESS STATEMENTS CAN BRING SUCH HERE IN ZAMBIA.HE SHOULD LEAVE THE CATHOLICS CHURCH AND JOIN POLITICS.IAM SURE,NOT ALL THE CATHOLICS ARE ON HIS SIDE ON THE STATEMENT THAT HE HE ISSUED.
    UPND AND HH ARE ON THE WRONG SIDE HERE.
    BEFORE WE VOTED,HH SAID IF HE IS GOING TO LOOSE,HE WILL NOT ACCEPT THE RESULTS AND HE HAS JUST DONE THAT.
    DID TELESPHO MPUNDU WATCH THE MONGU VIDEO AND HEAR THE INSULTS FROM HH’S SUPPORTERS TOWARDS THE PRESIDENTIAL MOTORCADE?
    HH HAS INSULTED THE JUDICIARY,POLICE AND HE CALLED LUNGU A HYENA,WE HAVE NEVER HEARD THE SAME CHURCH MOTHER BODIES CONDEMNING HH.
    WHAT ABOUT YOUR PVT WHICH SHOWED THAT PF WON?
    BE…

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    But the bible say those that comes through the back doors are thieves. Lungu cane through the back door. Just because PF is funding your church doesn’t meaning you should come in public and start barking. The court didn’t hear the election cases therefore Lungu is not the elected president but a dictator.

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    Are the churches themselves able to dialogue and establish a consensus among themselves? Is the church in Zambia able to speak with one voice on this issue? Why can’t they? What a shame for the church to be divided over an issue such as this one!

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      One is a church which is supported by Billion of worshipers worldwide, the other one supports plundering of Billions from Zambian worshipers. Which one practice tenants of Christianity?

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    President Lungu should show leadership and rise above narrow interests, otherwise he will have himself to blame for losing miserably in 2021. Michael Sata managed to build a collision with catholic church and other civil society organisations in order to defeat an entrenched corrupt MMD regime. As things stand, the catholic church is about to hand the HH a platform which will surely propel him to power in 2021. The PF is making too many tactical political errors in this whole HH issue, which is clearly building a huge mass mobilization of support for a sympathy vote. PF should understand that as things stand HH is seen as a defender of democracy and has become more popular than President Lungu on this one particular score!!!Watch the space

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    It’s very evident that these Church Bodies have very little dialog with God. Let them worry about that instead, because that’s worse than fatal.

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      “…very little dialog…”? Actually, no dialogue with God, whatsoever.

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      “Recognition” is the issue to be resolved. How does that get to be resolved without dialogue?

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      Alternatively, what will be the need for dialogue after recognition has been effected? What will be the need for dialogue then?

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    Very foolish Bishop Masupa and very dull. Romans 13:1does not encourage stealing votes or other dubious ways of ascending to power and then u say every government is put there by God’s. What a foolish Bishop who misinterpret the bible. Dont mislead people. In a christian nation and. indeed a democratic country like Zambia elections were supposed to be held in a free and conducive atmosphere. A foreigner went in the saver room illegally wearing an ID for. one ECZ official

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    As a Catholic I don’t support the detention of any citizen and neither do I support the stand by my Bishops. Remember they influenced us to vote for Chiluba and later for Michael Sata. They never supported Levy who later proved to be a better president. We know that our Bishops don’t believe in the truth that they want from us.They have amassed wealth and some of them have children. But as they say “do what I say not what I do ” we the flock will continue to be loyal to the Church. If I were a Upnd member I would ask why the lordships never raised their voice against Sata.

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    Levy was the worst President and Hazaluza Hagain is the worst opposition leader (I meant opposition loser!!)

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    Church bodies from where, when they are not able to speak for peace? The Bible says: “Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be called the children of God.” These so called “Church bodies” can’t be called “God’s children,” indeed they are not. They are children of Satan.

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    You chimashota because majors is a nice name and must show the good calecter that’s why have called you chimashota the name same like dogs don’t bring idiotic things on the views of the would just go and have your yogeta nicely

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    Was dialogue a prerequisite for dialogue to take place between the ANC and the Boer regime?

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    Christians for Lungu have started to speak. Evil people can not be hidden even if they eat from state house, ordinary Zambians know them and today they fight as bishops of little known churches.

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    Trespod Mpundu likes the limelight. How did he suddenly become the spokesperson of the other group. he always wants to be the leader. He appears so obsessed with being in the news. The funny part about this whole is, one can always find someone to support an alternative view point. He is today supporting HH, another group will come forward to support ECL. Where does it all end? And again why this obsession with press conferences? Doesnt Mpundu know the road to State House? Isnt he the same guy who saw Lungu with his catholic brothers not long ago at State house and now he wants to recruit others to support his crusade? The are so many catholics in government, why cant he work through them? The last time I read the Father Bwalya is very high up there in PF and isnt he his protege?

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    The two church sides are USELESS. Mpundu’s team have said nothing new but what UPND supporters have been saying. Like UPND cadres they see no wrong committed by HH at anytime. I am shocked they even cite threats of Kampyongo and Mumbi Phiri the two politicians. In fact for them HH has been perfect! Musupa’s team have also parroted what PF cadres have been saying no recognition no dialogue. They have used the same Kaponya argue. These so called men of God are business people. Look at how rich they have become.

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    Tongas are dogs as they know how to damage people’s names using other people. They carry a dog genome in their traits because they don’t breath when people are living in hammony.

    Tongas are swines!

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      And your mum loves to open her legs for them!!! Result, cross-breed of dog, h00ker practicing bestiality and swine going by name of tilizon

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    GOD help us! Now some other three unscrupulous mother bodies have emerged after the real and recognized church mother bodies have spoken, shame on then. why didn’t they speak before the original church bodies did so? These are disgruntled pf paid crooks who have no shame. The truth pains, the church mother bodies recognized by Zambians have spoken, period!

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    There will never ever be another petition heard till after 2021 elections if need be. So to push for something which will never happen is st.u.pidu.ty. Its a shame the entire upnd seems f00lish to know this.

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    There will never ever be another petition heard till after 2021 elections if need be. So to push for something which will never happen is st.u.pidu.ty. Its a shame the entire upnd seems f00lish to know this.

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    useless hypocrites..styopeti..you are all stinky sinners..God will judge you harshly..shut your beaks..the statement made by three mother bodies is true..

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