Dr Ng’oma said Zambians were happy and excited at the impending talks between President Edgar Lungu and UPND leader Hakainde Hichilema and that the Catholic bishops should rise to the occasion by insisting on evidence for the claims that the UPND would bring on the election disputes and alleged detention of their members.
He said the differences between the UPND and the PF had heightened with the opposition political party disputing the outcome of the 2016 general elections while the ruling party was unhappy with that stance and were demanding that the UPND accept defeat and recognise Mr Lungu as President.
Dr Ng’oma said the church should demand evidence for the claims that the UPND had and should also insist that both parties raise practical pre-conditions to ensure successful talks.
“This is extremely important in establishing the legitimacy of the electoral grievance that the UPND has been harbouring since August 2016,” Dr Ng’oma said.
The nation was aware of the fact that the Catholic Church in Zambia was part of a consortium of churches and civil society, including regional and international bodies that endorsed the victory of President Lungu.
Dr Ng’oma said the demand by the PF that the UPND recognises Mr Lungu as the legitimate President was reasonable, since he was declared winner by the Electoral Commission of Zambia.
He also said the Zambia Conference of Catholic Bishops (ZCCB) should not ignore the widespread perception that the ZCCB was biased following the statement made by Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu regarding the political situation in the country recently.
Dr Ng’oma said failure by the ZCCB to clarify on the perception could undermine the noble work of dialogue that it had embarked on.
He said he was happy that the Church, which had always been the voice of reason, had stepped up to facilitate dialogue and foster national healing.
Another wako ni wako, trying to defend the Zambian fascist regime.
This is bizarre.
Catholic bishops – why ?
Why mingle in politics. I’m not catholic. Who do UPND think they are anyway.
President Lungu should use step this show and quiet frankly allowing these bishops to be the middle men is confusing, baffling and unwarranted.
Get lost bishops for all I care.
I have a PhD
Thanks
BB2014,2016
UPND (United Party for National Dunderheads) only evidence is found on ZWD and in the sick minds of their commentators such as Larry Mweetwa such mad cretins that just dream of elections being stolen. According to UPND they believe even I voted for them! What madness…ba united dunderheads get it through your thick skulls- we did not vote for you blood thirsty sa.tanic animals! Only 3 provinces voted for UPND, they had a higher voter turnout than the other province because those 3 were voting on tribal lines- yet the majority of Zambians as a whole voted wisely and voted for ECL! Ask TIZ, EU, Commonwealth etc..
Bijou you are a tribalist. Lungu has no business talking to UPND. He has a lot of work to run the country and not entertaining remandees
The weakness of ECL is that he can pay anyone with a name from Eastern Province or Malawi. So now every easterner would like to be seen or heard supporting PF. Case in point Ngoma wants to beat his small drum to be heard. However, his small drum is littered and soiled by “We” and “Them”. He really wants to see UPND display “evidence”. The evidence of what is wrong in Zambia is you achimwene a Ngoma. You are the evidence of the rot in our society. You are the evidence of everything wrong with PF. You, you, you and you.
Where is this ape coming from and who is he to continue commenting on this matter concerning the dialogue? The ZCCB is not the court to demand evidence since ZCCB is not in a position to determine whether HH has enough and valid evidence. That can only be determined by the court. ZCCB is walking a thin line, therefore they need to focus without comments from such a commentator, otherwise, the plan for dialogue can be doomed to failure. Let the church employ their diplomacy and such commentator should stop commenting.
@1mbecile above mama Dr ngoma is not from eastern. Just counter his article than bringing tribalism here. Stupid full.
The Bishops must also get an honest and straight answers from Chagwa as to what M7 sent agent nicknamed Chavuma was doing in the restricted IT Server Room and what happened to him after being ‘arrested’ because that garb@ge police IG man has failed to provide answers and clear the air over this issue todate,
The Bishops should also get convincing reasons from the PF as to why that mafiaso0 red eyed weed blower Kaizer acted as an ECZ Officer together with the disgraced Mumbi by co-ordinating the collections of presidential election ballot papers from districts such as Chingola, LS and the Northern regions districts, when the counting should have been done at provinsial levels.. They should also provide answers as to what PF were doing with G12 documents when this should be the task…
CONT.
should be the task which should only be handled by ECZ officials.
Please ask for same hard evidence for Arsonists … which has been anchor for this Article 31 nonsense. Also the Bishops are not experts at analyzing evidence Sir this is a matter of the courts hence why UPND has been crying to be heard in court. If they have rubbish for evidence, at least give them that chance to expose their folly. That is all they have been asking for. Ati political Analyst please !
@ 1.4 flag Mama,
Lungu is not a tribalistic like HH and the UPND.
Look at the lawyers representing UPND, at any given time; almost all are from southern province, where HH comes from.
Look at the support – the highest is from South for HH, graduating West to North-west
LUNGU used to cause a lot of tavern fights after drinking one-too-many, but had no strength when the fight broke out & would get clobbered.
Fast forward to 2017, he now has so much power in PF cadres, Police, ZAF, ECZ, he can abuse Judiciary, abuse ZNBC, abuse Matibini & Parliament, abuse useless ConCourt, abuse Police, abuse ZCCM-IH, abuse state coffers, abuse loans, abuse tu ma chinese, abuse constitution, abuse born-again pastors.
We URGENTLY need someone to put him in his place.
That’s just my opinion, thanks.
Mr Ngoma says “Voice of reason” surprisingly Archbishop Mpundu was recently found unreasonable.
What is Edgar Lungu’s Cousin ranting about now?
They should bring Umukate and Wine, very good ice breaker!
Iwe chi mama Alex Ng’oma is not from the east no wonder you chaps are tribalists.
“Dr.” Alex Ngoma is indeed some political analyst, but one withou brains I suppose. Ati “the church should demand evidence for the claims that the UPND had ” and that “the demand by the PF that the UPND recognises Mr Lungu as the legitimate President was reasonable, since he was declared winner by the Electoral Commission of Zambia.” What baffoonery! The Catholics Bishops are trying to broker meaningful dialogue, and this does not mean they constitute a Court of Law to start demanding evidence! This Ngoma chap must be a “Doctor” of confusion! Why do you want the other side to accept or recognize the other? Rubbish. The bishops’ mission is to put the two parties together for the sake of the nation, not for this kind of baffoonery sir!!!
St.Jude,yet you want ECL to succumb that he was illegimately enthroned?How illusionary,how sick!!!!!
St Jude quote: “The bishops’ mission is to put the two parties together for the sake of the nation, not for this kind of baffoonery sir!!!”
One wonders who is a buffoon between you and Dr. Ngóma. To me Dr. Ngóma makes more sense than you do. Can you tell us how the Bishops are going to put the two parties together – “broker meaningful dialogue” – if HH’s party, UPND, does not recognize ECL as the legitimately elected President of Zambia?
This Ngoma is a Dr in what, I am dismayed by his level of think. It is just full of baffoonery, that’s why the country is going backward. We would be still be waiting for independence with this kind of baffoonery.
@2.1 SayAsItis, nowhere do I suggest that ECL must succumb that he was illegitimately enthroned. Read between the lines.
@2.2 Facts, you have just shown me that you are another buffoon sir. My point is that the bishops are not trying to establish who has a Cause of Action against that other, if you know what I mean. The general idea is that they should put the two parties together and encourage them to do the right thing for the sake of the country. Detrmining who is wrong, who is right or who did not do what is not their mandate but that of the courts. The country is bleeding right now because of these two parties and if you do not see that sir, madam or haemaphrodite or whatever you are, then you have a very serious problem with your mental faculties. May I suggest you check…
@St. Jude, make use of spell check. You fail to spell buffoon and hermaphrodite and expect no to be guillotined.
You are luck you are dealing with ECL. The Catholics under Mpundu cannot be mediators. They are already biased by their last press conference. You need respectable mediators in such issues – not those who have already taken a position that Zambia is a dictatorship.
This Ngoma Empty Tin Wants To Bring More Confusion. Despite Being A Political Scientist, The Bishops Must Not At Any Cost Pick This Man’s Advice On How To Facilitate The Dialogue.
How Can HH Produce Evidence That 3000 Of His Supporters Are In Jail?
What Evidence Shud HH Produce That He Disputed The Out Come Of The Election?
I Think If The Bishops Might Need That Then They Shud Read The Petition Itself. But The Bishop At The Moment Need To Hear Both Sides Of The Story And Give Necessary Advice To See How The Two Can Unite For The Sake Of Peace.
Ngoma the wako Ni wako. Leave Bishop mpundu alone I
In case you didn’t know mpundu and ngoma come from the same province.
2016 elections were only disputed by upnd. All the election monitors local and international gave a similar report that the elections were free and fair and ecl of pf won. This includes the pvt which upnd as a party conducted. The only pvt which had different results was one done by hh and some private crooks. This is the only pvt which disputed the results of ecl victory for those who can still remember. The madness of hh has brought all this confusion. I urge all upnd supporters to move on and leave the hh supporters with their madness.
Ba Ngoma mulibapuba! What if it turns out UPND has overwhelming evidence? And what if the opposite is also true? Raising such questions will jeopardise true reconciliation! Grow up Ngoma we want to leave in harmony and develop our country. cinecine intelligence and wisdom are two different wisdom. Its clear the words from the doc lacks wisdom.
he is not ngoma from eastern but ng’oma from luapulaland do more research before producing amafii
Same sh1t different package
Kkkkk.. have you disowned him or what?
its his positive comment, he is a political analyst, so he should keep quiet only for your negative Comments? i wonder whether some of you bloggers are zendians…..
“zendians” ?
Ba Ngoma mulibapuba! What if it turns out UPND has overwhelming evidence? And what if the opposite is also true? Raising such questions will jeopardise true reconciliation! Grow up Ngoma we want to live in harmony and develop our country. cinecine intelligence and wisdom are two different things. Its clear the words from the doc lacks wisdom.
For those of you who think Dr. Ng’oma is from Eastern Province, he is not, rather he is Bemba from Northern. There is a difference between Ngoma and Ng’oma. All the same may the ZCCB do their job in the best interest of all Zambians.
Ngoma or Ng’oma, same voting pattern
Yes Wiseman, even if they has overwhelming evidence let them say it, that is if they have any, people are fed-up with their ranting without evidence.
Give them a day in court!!
If UPND had evidence we would not hear the end of it. They are just trying to be excused, forgiven or tolerated by the many people they told that they were 100% sure they will form government in 2016. Against this illusion they borrowed money, promised land to SA farmers, jobs for Tonga academics around the world especially SA who have failed to cope there and tribalist who thought this time it was in the bag. Their hatred for ECL is not misplaced. He stands in the way of their aspirations and dreams. The guy in jail is wondering, “…is this really the price I must pay to get my ultimate dream of being president?” Article 31 is in his way again. Hope is becoming dim…. What next. Lets negociate mwe…
I think one point is CLEAR! We want an END TO THIS MADNESS OF VIOLENCE and LAWLESSNESS in the country from both side;PF and UPND! Like Lungu has said, DIALOGUE SHOULD BE ON IMPORTANT NATIONAL ISSUES NOT PERSONAL INTERESTS. And now that both UPND and PF have ruled out any discussions on Govt of National Unity (GNU), and putting it in HH’s own words” .. as Zambia is not a failed state..” then discussions should be based on the NEED TO RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW by both sides and the importance of Freedom of speech and assembly as enshrined in our constitution and other laws! Which means that if the ELECTORAL PROCESS HAS DECLARED A WINNER and the COURTS FAIL TO FIND EVIDENCE CASE TO BE OTHERWISE,A PRESIDENT SWORN IN MUST THEN BE RECOGNIZED-THAT IS THE RULE OF THE LAW.
I am tired of this pampering of this HH. The guy lost period. OK let’s breach our Constitution and allow him to stand unopposed. …that’s only way he can win an election. Uku kumutumpika. If he wasted his billions on the election it’s his indaba because even Nawakwi spent money. Right now I feel like mad.
what a dunerhead..this man is so dull..why should it be the church to get the evidence when the court was the right place..lol
First and for most the article of the learned Doctor is very biased. It is tilted in favour of PF. That in itself disqualifies the spirit of dialogue. When you want to bring two opposing sides together, you dont set preconditions and you dont condemn the other. The important thing is to make the opposing sides to sit down on the negotiating table. After that the mediator has to be seen to be as neutral as possible. This makes the parties have confidence in him and then he can set the tone of the meeting and start asserting his authority as a mediator.
I am pretty sure the Bishops have an agenda in place which was discussed with HE Edgar C Lungu. So a Ngoma just keep quiet.
Will be illegal to discuss the election results, the 14 days is long gone.
But what is happening, its gone quiet, I cannot wait for this dialogue, we have had enough of this. I am getting bored and irritated by this nonsense.
this is a wako ni wako casdre; evidence of PF’s evils are well documented; what more does he need? is he blind?
Imwe naimwe everything is tribe. Can’t someone comment either against or for another person without bringing in tribe? Your HH claimed that Edgar had stolen the 2015 election but it’s his friend Guy Scott who was in charge of state machinery. So why didn’t he stop Edgar from stealing the vote. Sorry if you haven’t got the position you’re earmarked for had HH won.
am sure he was talking to a Daily nation reporter these guys are worse than the GRZ papers.
what an i.mbecile analyst Alex Ng’oma chi,kala
@ 1.4 flag Mama,
Lungu is not a tribalistic like HH and the UPND.
Look at the lawyers representing UPND, at any given time; almost all are from southern province, where HH comes from.
Look at the support – the highest is from South for HH, graduating West to North-west
So this dude wants the Catholic bishops to assume the role of the Constitutional Court? If he really wanted to hear ‘eviction’ shouldn’t he have encouraged his man Lungu to allow the actual Constitutional court to hear it? So what are they going to do with the evidence should they be given? They wouldn’t have the power to declare Lungu fraudulently elected, would they?
He is saying so much and yet his simple message is that he wants UPND to recognise the illegitimacy of Lungu’s elections and that he wants the Catholic bishops to convince HH.
He wants them to declare interest but it sounds to me like it is Dr Ngoma himself who needs to declare interest because he’s overwhelmingly biased.
Comment:now we are talking. it’s about time.according to HH his demand is unconditional dialogue and as such proof to show the accusations that truelly of rigged would amount to a fair play ground for dialogue.according to the president of UPND…only he has this information regarding the last held presidential elections it is for this reason I am in agreement with the professor to show the bishops these findings so we can base these accusations on a solid note. I approve this message
It’s clear Dr ngo’oma is trying to help upnd to understand while the he knows upnd have evidence at all apart from making a heated bitch… Shame
The Doctor is right. You can not have a dialogue without knowing a route cause of the difference. They need to reconcile the records that UPND has and if those records are inconsistence with the official records by ECZ, then they can go a step further in analysing the validity. I do remember that when UPND were filing there petition, they ran an advert by calling upon Zambians who had evidence of election malpractices to come forward and that they would protect such people. I kept on monitoring and no-one came forth. The preliminary issues they kept on raising were to allow them time to gather evidence until they were declared time bad (expiry of 14 days). Therefore, if we want this dialogue to succeed, the mediators should know the truth of any claim as suggested by Dr. Ng’oma.
Bishops! They are just trying to reconcile the two parties, this no time to start going into every detail of this on going unreasonable tension, it is time to forget about the ego and put the interest of the country first! We need peace, I think it’s time to move on, no one will reverse the status quo and we are slowly moving towards the next elections. My advice to the affected people is sit at the drawing table and plan for the future. Bishops are just trying to take the role of a reconciler but it depends on the people involved.
What is Edgar Lungu’s Cousin ranting about again?
TONGA TRIBALISM SELF TEST
1 if you are UPND
2 if you are Tonga
3 if support UPND because its time for Tongas
4 if you are sabata and believe that only sabatas are going to heaven
5 if you hate Bembas and Easterners
6 if you have greeted a stranger ati, “…nhi hena eyebo uli mu Tonga?”
7 if you are abroad but have no idea what to return home for apart from UPND
8 if you celebrate when things go well in Zambia
9 if you support sabotage
10 if you tell your children never to marry Bemba or Eastern
11 you actually date or are married to an eastern
12 your best friends are Tonga
13 Tongas are a chosen tribe of Israel
IF YOU GET MORE THAN 60% CONGRATS YOU PASSED THE TONGA TRIBALIST TEST
LESS THAN 60% YOU ARE A TRUE ZAMBIA WITH THE NATION AT HEART
MORE THAN 85% YOU ARE…
Another Muzungu wanga type of shady analysis. No substance. Anyway, lecturers are starving so some will easily resort to sebana wikute kind of analysis, especially the mukwasu clan. Zambia will remain cursed with this umodzi kumawa mentality. Some Easterners are the worst tribalists!
Comment:
@Mama
Sorry for your ignorance about Zambia and Zambians. Dr Alex Ng’oma is NOT from eastern province.
PF and Lungu should also produce evidence against HH in his treason case rather than just keeping the noble man behind bars for no reason and without trial. The bishops are doing a great thing, visiting somebody in prison, which even the bible talks about.
If Lungumukuta is to meet an incarcerated HH, the meeting should take place from right inside the cell.
Ba Ngoma,you sound very one sided. Even the ruling must show the evidence that they won. Why just stick to the opposition to show evidence. FYI,ECZ has not shown the total numbers of voters as per constituency. Be neutral ewe chi mudala
If one says there is no democracy in Zambia its fine coz its an option.again.he even tell the world that human rights are abused in zambia.they should dialogue with zambians for tarnishing her image.again the same person intend to dialogue with those leaders who are undemocratic.this is a great controversy to me.it helps one to accept the reality and abide by the law of the land.
UPND wants a Tonga for a President and a Tonga for all ministers and a Tonga for all Government Ministries and a Tonga for all government institutions, then, and only then will they be satisfied and think people heading these institutions are “qualified!” That is why all their leaders and followers alike are delusional and cannot see truth but believe lies easily!