THOSE calling for a commission of inquiry on the nationality of President Edgar Lungu are misplaced as it is a sheer waste of time, says former Matero Member of Parliament and Deputy Commerce Minister Hon Miles Sampa.
Mr Sampa said National Democratic Congress Secretary General Mwenya Musenge was off side in calling for a probe into the nationality of President Lungu when they should be working at party mobilization to build numbers in their party.
He said the Republican Constitution does not demand that a person must have both parents born in Zambia to be President, a clause that was inserted in the previous constitution to eliminate first President Dr Kenneth Kaunda.
“The current constitution only says one should be a Zambian and by definition and according to the Supreme Court ruling, anyone found in Zambia at independence in 1964 is a bonafide,” Zambian.
“The President may even be more Zambian by any definition compared to those questioning like Mwenya Musenge who is rumored to be Congolese,” he said.
Mr Sampa was commenting on insinuations by NDC’s Mwenya Musange that President Lungu was not qualified to be Head of State as he hailed from a nearby country.
He explained that all this was an indication the opposition party was running out of ideas to keep above the waters, and had resorted to mudslinging.
The former Parliamentarian has accused the opposition NDC of failing to come up with serious mobilization programmes to grow their party, hence their move to try and destabilize the PF leadership.
“If they were serious, they should have been mobilizing countrywide just as the PF is doing.
“PF is growing daily while the NDC bubble is bursting as we saw with the latest resignation of their Lusaka Province Chairman Goodson Banda who rejoined PF,” he said.
The ruling PF has embarked on an unprecedented countrywide mobilization programme for party membership recruitment that continues to grow the party while the NDC continued to concentrate on trivial issues such as the “…the nationality of the President when he has been okayed by the Electoral Commission of Zambia (ECZ) on two occasions, NDC will soon become a ‘nashala neka’ party if not already”.
Even once the future of Zambia in Miles Sampa is reduced to bootlickers. God have mercy!
Miles probably smelling an opening in the US at the mission, left by Pastor Chileshe (after his calling-not from God but from the fake imposter at state house), of the Maureen Nkandu fame. That is how low the man has become, a once tipped to be a President with so much to give. Why do I even listen to such trash!
You can all it a waste of time… this man has a hidden past. We want to know. Having stood as a president before does not mean that someone can not fake their identity. The is so much explanation needed. No amount of job seeking will distract us from knowing who he his…
Miles Sampa is misled and playing cheap desperate bootlicking games. His statement is not correct and contradicts what made Guy Scott, not to be President. The constitution states that both parents should be Zambians. Our Question is You mean Lungu is such a loner that No one knows his childhood? Where are his friends he used to Play Chimpombwa with? Instead of being emotional and wasting our time. Answer the questions raised and prove that he is Zambian. Either his Aid is selling him off by mentioning so many names. What’s the name of His father because we just heard the name if the Mother?
No wonder we have Lungu as President because the opposition is full of jokers…Jonathan Mataware is better than all the opposition leaders..HH..Kambwili..Mwenya..Nevers..Mulongoti..GBM..Nawakwi all are useless
Propaganda is like music to the ears. It’s like the fake story that HH stole money from privatization. PF00Ls know deep down that he didn’t but they loudly proclaim it.
The sooner Lungu produces his NRC, UNZA photos etc, & real relatives to prove he is not Malawian identity thief, the better for damage control.
This rumour won’t go away using brutality or threats and is growing stronger everyday.
Wonderful. Great job ECL. Thank you for leaving Malawi and working for us. Geez, I wonder where our own Zambian born men are! busy drinking and growing bellies, womanizing and quarreling in the media.
More foreigners to rule you! Keep up with status quo
BAFOONARY IS A CONTAGIOUS DISEASE among Politicians in Zambia now, right?
Yesterday we had another knuckle-head bafoon, Mulongoti, “coughing” the same garbage. Never thought the BAFOONARY BUG would spread this quickly to contaminate other so called Opposition fimo fimos. Yayayayaya…. bwafya mwe. Trying to out-do one another ka.
God help us!!!!!!!!
@Nubian Princess
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Mmmmmm alipo uyu munthu next we shall see him dancing at the Airport …thank goodness humbly Dumbly has reduced on travel
It that is the case Miles Sampa, then Guys Scott should be the president
This is why I have opted for Green Party leader Peter Sinkamba and Heritage Party President Brig Gen Miyanda as the most progressive thinkers today. You will never hear these two stoop so low as to discuss such dirty politics of character assassination. Sinkamba is a progressive liberal and Miyanda a protective conservative with an excellent record of zero corruption having served in govt before. Bring these 2 great minds together and we will have a great formula for development and a better life for Zambians as a whole. But sadly as Plato (not Pilato) said the majority of any population are 1diots so sadly we as Zambians still have a high mountain to climb before people see the light!
Sampa is telling the truth.ECL is more Zambian than chaps like Kambwili, Musenge or HH
@1.13, The mix may not stand. One is a born again Christian and the other is a liberal Catholic with interest in marijuana.
They are here. You can see them. Insala makes them talking nonsense. They don’t even know what they want in life
The modern name for for all political cadres is “political condoms “.
Political condoms think they would be loved by supporting wrong things. Lungu is in State House whereas political condoms are busy fighting in streets
The man that calls himself ECL is tasila’s father. Period.
He might be an imposter but he is that girl’s father
Zambia politics is the lowest ranking in the whole world. Every president the country has had is never said to be zambian, by the opposition. Even when he sat with them in parliament, in cabinet. Nothing. Only when one is president does their nationality come into question. Never before
Musenge worked under Edgar so why did he keep quiet on the issue?
Mapolo ya hh..
He beat you at the polls, your petition flopped etc now you turn to nationality. Musenge served as Minister under Edgar ,he never said anything about nationality . It’s a question sour grapes and nothing else.
The truth indeed hates. Kudos to Miles Sampa. Haters will hate
YES ECL IS MALAWIAN , U THINK THAT SOUTH AFRICAN JOURNALIST WHO SAID JONATHAN LUNGU WAS JOKING ? WHY HE PICKED JONATHAN” S NAME WHY NOT NJANJI, SPOON, MWAZANJI ETC for MILES SAMPA LET HIM BOOTLICK AND MAKE NOISE TO BE PROMOTED
Musenge’s reasoning capacity is retarded. How can someone who failed at constituency level make it at national level? You tried all you could even to an extent of kneeling before the electorate. …could not work. Why didn’t Mr Sata pick on you who’s more Zambian than everyone else…..lekani kaduka and focus on progressive issues.
We studied law with Edgar for four years at Unza . This whole identity story is a mystery now
I recieved this useless story on Facebook at 0600hrs this morning. While most commentators simply brushed this story as a waste time, one guy mentioned to say the opposition and diasporan 1.d.i.ots will go into overdrive and actually believe this nonsense. HOW RIGHT AND SPOT ON HE WAS!!!
Guys, be careful with parentage/ origin issues because sooner or later more Party Presidents will find themselves in a fix.
I Love ECL’s personality coz he always see obstacles as realities nowander he’s been successful…contnu u are my inspiration
Take the matter to the police Mulongoti if you have evidence and witnesses which I personally doubt. Why to Lusaka Times if at all what you claim holds water
I can’t take Mulongoti seriously with his accusations because he is the same person that campaigned with ECL in the 2015 elections. If he knew that ECL was not Zambian why did he do that? Ba Mulongoti has got nothing to offer in this political arena hence the ranting. Let Chagwa do his work perfectly and perfectly so. He expected to be given a job by ECL but to no avail hence this cheap political propaganda.
When we say the current oppostion parties in Zambia are useless and have nothing to offer-THE ABOVE NONSENSE confirms what we say.
THE SENSEBLE OPPOSITION POLITICS IN ZAMBIA ENDED WITH LATE MICHAEL SATA!!
surely will ECL’s nationality put food on our tables or improve our economy or create jobs for Zambians?BIG NO!!so why waste the opposition’s prescious time on this nonsense instead of mobilising their weak parties and give hope to Zambians?THESE GUYS ARE CURSED!!
Look Musenge and Kainde’s agent (Mulongoti),we dont care whether ECL is Zambian or not.all we want is him developing mother Zambia so that our lives can be improved!!if a white man can offer that,we shall vote for him!!SO JUST SHUT YOUR BIG MOUTH YOU CONGOLESE IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY!!
I have always said this ECL originality debate will not take the opposition anywhere. At least not with the evidence they are bringing out. They risk losing their own credibility in a very big way. Even their few strong points against him will wane.
It’s easy you say that Mwenya Musenge comes from Congo, so he must keep quiet before he’s caught up in the flames
In fact he’s got relatives at Chisamamba village in the DRC. Those who care can ask him about this DRC village.
Our dull opposition parties must know that many of us Zambians do not care whether ECL is a foreigner or not because all we want from him is to improve our economy or develop Zambia!!
We have a lot of foreigners in Zambia who run businesses and pay our people very well-this is the most vital thing!!
If Aliko Dangote or Bill Gates would want to rule Zambia and our constitution allow them,we can easily vote for them because we know too well that those men can develop Zambia and improve our lives.THIS IS ALL WHAT WE NEED FROM OUR LEADERS AND NOT THEIR NATIONALITY!!!
Leave miles alone. Can some one tell us the parents of HH as well his biography before we make same mistakes of putting questionable people into State house.
Zambians must go to the streets. There’s no way we can have a foreigner as president. #PROTEST
Why don’t you go to the streets yourself ? You want others to get hurt while you’re enjoying your safety.
Yes, a lone protest like Father Bwalya.
Okay lets dialogue and agree. Me say all past and present Presidents are not Zambians, all six of them. And by extension ALL future Presidents are not Zambian. So lets change the Constitution to make ALL foreigners eligible and ALL Zambians ineligible.
Kikikikikiki ma rubbish yamu Zambia, ati Musenge or Kambwili is a politician, do you live in a sewage pond?
Today it’s nationality, yesterday impeachment, the other day constitutional court, common wealth has clearly seen that the opposition in Zambia have run out of ideas, whoever agrees to these guys, need to be examined by the doctors at chainama,pf continue mobilisation and let real fools expose themselves, you can tell that there is no peace in there camp.
Why all this panicky propaganda or does it mean these guys believe that come 2021 Lungu will beat them again?
He is 100% Nsenga from Senior Chief Kalindawalo, Petauke
Next they will accuse him of having come from the Pacific Islands by raft.
Sampa is 100% right. Just be realistic people. This is not a subject. We saw that with the late Chiluba and even UPND Banda William
Ka Miles….ikala fye chigili! Jonathan Mutaware AKA Edgar Lungu has explanation to do. And typical foolishness and lack of seriousness of Zambians….we don’t take keen interest to know the truth….let’s not be quick to say it’s just political. This matter is constitutional deserves every serious attention. Possible we have an illegal president not only by election votes but citizenship. Knowing truth won’t be in vain and *****s like Miles etc shud not be scared to know truth. Kudos to all that are in support to have Lungus citizenship investigated.
May I advise bloggers here to read the sections on citizenship (PART IV: 12 – 18) and the qualifications for the presidency (PART VII: 97) in the current constitution carefully in order to make an informed judgment on ECL’s citizenship status? Most of the comments I am reading just reflect ignorance of the current constitution.
ECL was born in Ndola, brought up in Kitwe, started primary education at Mutende in Kwacha Township, then attended Ishuko and Chimwemwe A in Chimwemwe Township, before proceeding to Mukuba Secondary School for his secondary education, and then finally UNZA for his university education I personally know a number of his former classmates and relatives and even met one of his former primary school headmasters. Since when did he become a foreigner?
I QUOTE, any one found in Zambia by 1964 is a zambian! jst been found in zambia, u are a zambia, what a qualification to be Zambian! the most important thing is identification of names, is he Edgar Chagwa Lungu? was he born in zambia? if yes, then stop wasting our time, jst take the man to task to develop the country.
Whatever his names, he’s Zambian.
They don’t want him to work because his success would give him advantage come 2021
@Facts. Many Zambians do not read and have no appreciation for reading but rely on hearsay and rumors. Do you recall how some MPs voted for a provision against them i.e grade 12 or equivalent requirement as prerequisite for being MP candidate? That’s Zambia for you!
I’m beginning to understand why KK insisted on a one party state. Today even jackals just because of a few coins think they can become president. Musenge is what we call a hustler. Even when he was Copperbelt minister he never abandoned hustling. Last time I visited his bar in Kwacha it full of Congolese working as waitresses or musicians.
you are very right,Ndanje.Too many Congolese at Club Zero and I kept wondering.Musenge must have a serious congolese blood and those must be his relations,no doubt!!!!
Only those of us born in this country after 24 October 1964 are TRUE ZAMBIANS. Mulongoti, HH, Edgar etc are Pre – Zambians.
Northern Rhodesian is more appropriate.
Its sad when you see talented people like Miles Samp reduced to the level of Bowman Lusambo. Many admired Miles and remember he legitimately won the Presidency of PF. He is a clever guy but now he is a cadre. Sad!
Very dull opposition party! Chronic whining party! Tribal grouping!
miles sampa is indeed directionless like kavindele was. he is eyeing some position in the govt. also njala yamunyokola. he is muselela ukwakaba. what happened to his nashalaneka party that he formed just before the 2016 elections???????
we have a lot of political jokers pa zed like miles. he is better off counting money in the bank on tills
Zambians are talking lot,spending much time in unproductive squabbles,arguments and finger pointing. Fellow Zambians, its time you use your good ideas to act and develop our country.