Arms deal revelations, shameful says Kapita

1. bo kapita…Mpombo is a lunatic..pliz don’t listen to him..!

2. under five….this story happend i dont know hown many months now ago. this is when they ar waking up…..even cosmo reacted to it earlier than ba upnd….but these ar dull chaps and wasting time. who do they represent…..i guess choma.

   • you are the one who is uderfive who only uses yo vulga language to speak what a party u belong to

3. We need true change of Government. This means that we do not need recycled politicans. PF is becoming complete at the top level with those that surrounded Chiluba. Others falling out of favour with the current MMD are also joining in. It is clear for any wise person to to see that PF is in fact MMD version 2. Real change will only come through UPND and HH supported by people like Milupi. If PF wins, things will be worse than now and I pray that those who will cast their vote for PF suffer the most because we have warned you. People of Zambia, HH is the answer for Zambia currently, he is an economic development manager suitable for current times.

   • He is an under 5 who doesn’t understand politics and besides he is a regional politician.

   • continue wasting your votes with him and who knows he may decide to tell you to vote for MMD. agony is your situation!!

   • Mr. Bob,
     how many ‘brand’ new politicians are in upnd? In fact those that have been misleading hh are former mmd. All the parties have a blend of the old and new, what is most important is what are the parties offering the electorate. HH should also learn to be humble, the things we read about him being upnd and upnd being him are not good indicators of a leader. If the head is rotten (and the rot can take various forms by the way), then the whole fish is bad!!

4. Wisdom is not how much one blows his trumpet by how thoughtful and analytical on issues one is. This is typical of UPND wisdom! Zambia forward with the new generation of leaders.

5. The real problem we have in Zambia is that major media houses have preferred candidates who they keep propping up. Why can’t they just give us full information on each party and candidates so that we choose for ourselves??? The Zambian media has indeed gone to the dogs and it is shameful that even the private media has gone the way of the dishonourable public media which is pro Government albeit supporting parties of their choices.

6. # I agree I think PF is everyday now looking like MMD version 2 indeed. maybe we should just call it MMD Reloaded.

   Why Don’t UPND for alliance with Chipimo and create a real young people’s party to take on both MMD- UNIP Version 2 (Reloaded)  and PF-MMD Version 2 ( Reloaded)

   • You think that HH of yours can work with anybody he wants it all to himself.He cannot form an alliance with anybody who can demand for him not to be president in the unholy alliance.The chap HH in hungry for the highest office and i do not think he has a clue on what he can do with the power once given to him.

7. I heard in the past that UPND has educated guys but the comment from their VP does not give testimony to that. He seems not to have capacity to understand the value of money. USD100million is too much money for arms for a country like Zambia. We would raise eye browse from countries like the USA even to attempt to purchase arms worth USD50million. Just to put you in the picture, it cost about USD80million to construct Manda Hill.

8. Kubeba Donchi – Reloaded, talking anyhow does not meaning talking sense. One nedds to analyse issues before vomiting like PF/Sata who opens his mouth at anything. In London he change and cheated he never supported the third term. Hahahahahahahahah PF a group of fools and lunatics that are but group of homos

9. There are more and more evidence that there are is no coporation between the dull-shishita MMD and the intellectuals UPND.

10. I thought Mpombo said these allegations were ‘difficult to prove’? These people in leadership will go to all lengths to gain political mileage from any issue. Get the facts and evidence straight first. Come again and we’ll support the you in the fight against corruption.

11. I`ll comment when I see the evidence. As of now, I`ll treat Mr. Mpombo`s statements on the alleged arms deal as empty “bar-talk” gossip.

12. #7 The Ojective

    USD 100m is not too much money for a country like Zambia. Infact the opposite is true. Arms deals around the world run in billions of US Dollars not a mere USD100m. As a matter of fact, this amount is too little to attract any attention of any Super power, unless Zambia was listed among countries that sponsor terror. You cannot buy modern military equipment with that kind of money. That is why Zambia buys its arsenals from semi black markets using crooked individuals like Katoto, or in this case a South African company, if Mpombo is telling the truth.

13. People here busy talking about how much the deal was worth, you’re blowing it out of the damned context! It doesn’t matter, even if this deal were worth K100 million, it should still raise eyebrows.
    The issue at hand is whether or not the bafffooon in state house tried to influence the procedure. It’s about whether or not he wanted his dull, idiiotic son to benefit from a deal involving money that comes from government coffers to which I contribute tax.

    • Perfect, people should not digress and start talking about how much Zambia needs to buy proper arms. It is the procedure that is under scrutiny here and the people involved! If RB did try to exert influence in this transaction so that his son could benefit, then he is guilty all the way. This is what we should be establishing not ifyakulanda at $100m is too small!!

14. The wind of change is blowing across Zambia this year. Lets remove corrupt MMD if we are to see meaningful development.
    The man of action who has Zambia at heart deserves our votes.
    Sata Michael and PF come 2011.

15. So whats wrong with buying arms ? Do you still want us to use arms bought during the anceient KK era ? You’ll be the first chaps to condemn govt for failing to defend you in a calamity simply because yourselves refused to arm your forces with modern weapon systems and equipment. Open your eyes and lookk around us, are we at par with our neighbours ?

    • No one said its wrong to buy arms my friend read the story what is wrong is the president abusing his authority in the procurement procedure to benefit his son and his friends.The corrupt act associated with the procurement process is what is being condemned sir not the transaction itself.

    • It doesnt matter, iwe Ministry of defense doesnt have to seek your bloody opinion to buy arms. Its silly blank guys like you that even celebrated when FTJ revealed the tunnels. defense doesnt come cheap ! Ukushishita !

16. #7TheOjective Do you really know what you are talking about. i dont expect an average person to write what you have written.

17. Bob I think something is with if you real change can only come if HH was to become there you wrong. which organisation did see employing who does not have experience to become the CEO or top manager just from school? That is what you telling us. HH has never been a councelor, MP. how do you expect him to lead the country? we need people with experience. if you also agree with RB that sata was once MMD and decided to pull out that is normal manawasa also at one time pulled out from MMD when he saw that things where not straight. And when he came back as a president he corrected things such that even sata who was critising was convinced.

18. So far, no one has disputed Mpombo’s assertions that he was ‘sent’ to SA to for a meeting on the ‘arms’. Mpombo has given names and the hotel he stayed in. Bo Stumbeko and the others have not said a thing to dispute this. To ask Mpombo to ‘produce’ the documentation to prove his allegations at this time is immaterial. Yes, Mpombo left all documentation at the Ministry of Defence – as it should be. These were not personal documents but State. Asking Mpombo to ‘reveal’ the documents is telling all Ministers or Civil Servants to keep State documents each time they leave or are fired, just in case.

19. I would infact be worried if Mpombo was to produce documentation on the arms ‘deal’. How much of State Documents and secrets are in the hands of former ministers?

    • Just to add that Mpombo would even be detained by the law enforcement agencies for being in possession of government/confidential material – and locked up for a very long time!

20. Yangu you are 100% right there is no way someone can go with state documents when he resigns or get fired. the proof is already there .why don’t people who are directly involved challenge mr mpombo?

21. Question is, what type of arms can Zambia buy from South Africa? South Africa itself bought 35 Pilatus PC-7 planes from Switzerland, 3 Submarines from Germany, Hawk Planes from UK, and some Gripen Fighter jets from Sweden. If Zambia was going to buy from ARMSCOR, then she must be going for general purpose things like mortars, machine guns, some armoured cars etc. These are low tech things suited to our army which does not have very many engineers or technical skills to handle IT based technologies of a modern army.

    Mpombo should have kept some records of his work for a rainy day such as this. HE should be able to produce copies of his air tickets, hotel bookings, etc. The fact is that once you serve under the devil, decency is a rare thing.

22. MY concern is on this chap called Siulapwa,he is joker.Why talking nosense eveytym.Just join MMD kwasila.

23. Any arms deal from South Africa has to be cleared by the Parliament portfolio committee on Security before any deal can be done. Denel the arms manufacturer and seller never presented such deal to sale arms to Zambia was ever presented to the committee thats why Mr Mpombo can never prove anything.

24. And for those of you who are ignorant on arms dealing, any country which spends more than 3% of its GDP on arms automatically becomes on the watch list of the UN security council. This is more especially for a country which depends on donor money like Zambia. Donors would withdraw funding and put pressure on South Africa not to sales the arms.

    Mpombo is talking absolute rubbish…  a fabrication of his own imagination after being fired

25. Mr Australian Engineer, Mpombo was not fired, get your facts right. The man resigned, and was not even pushed to jump. Be an honourable engineer, don’t have selective retrograde amnesia, & lose integrity and bring shame to the science world. I respect you, but you are disappointing me, maybe you are also a product of the corrupt MMD who don’t care about dignity & integrity as long as the means meets the end. Please have some decency & honesty.

26. MMD ma rubbish! Ni pabwato this year :-)

27. PF line up in Barotseland is full of recycled failed politicians. William Harrigton former Senanga MP, Inonge Wina fmr MP Senanga Central, Betuke Imenda Fmr MP Kalabo, Mututwa Fmr Ngambela, Malimba Masheke Fmr Prime minister in UNIP. In Bembaland, Nkandu Luo for MP Chinsali, Mbita Chitala fmr MP Mbala. Others Ludwig Sondashi fmr MP Solwezi, Duiker Mpombo fmr MP Kafulafuta, Sketchley Sacika fmr Secretary to the cabinet. lastly Sata fmr MP Mpika, Kabwata, min without port folio, fmr MMD National Secretary. Change! What change. Full of spent forces. Cartilages

28. Mpompo is ahead of these chaps called MMD in terms of thinking.If he produces documents they can take advantage and arrest him for keeping state secrets at home.He did well not to give documentation.He is a clever man not to be blinded by carelessness.I salute him for bringing the change we need in Zambian politics.Let them just admit that he was sent to south Africa.Thats all.

29. Iwe kapita stanyyokoo,you buy that crap from goatiee and swallow it,are you as mad is impombo as well.ukwateko amano chitoeee

30. No 25  Have you read the facts of the matter in my posting of 23 and 24? I do not care if Mpombo resigned or was fired. The facts is that no application to sale arms to Zambia from South Africa was ever logged with the security committee as per requirement of any sale. US$100m arms purchase by Zambia would raise a serious concern within the security council. This was the case in 2001 when Zimbabwe purchased tried to buy arms of US$20m. In 2008 are shipment of arms to Zimbabwe was blocked from China. So don’t seat and think the world will be smiling if Zambia tried to buy US$100m arms.
    So rather spend your energy on facts than Mpombo being fired or resigning. 

31. Ba Engineer, What did the security committe do when chiluba gave his uncle Katoto to buy arms for 50million? Dont spread lies zambia buys arms without clearance of your so called security committee

32. No. 30 you are another full who can not read English

33. Another Fool who can not read English. Did Katoto by arms from South Africa?

34. If Mpombo can comfortably reveal ‘secrets’ that he knew of when he was defence minister, what should stop him from having copies of the so-called documents – he can equally be arrested for breaking the oath he took by just saying what he said. The problem with Mpombo is that he’s a dunderhead who can hear a rumour in a beerhall in Chibolya and then come and invite the Post to a press conference to reveal ‘this scandal’. It’s time he grew up and started behaving like the grand father he is.

35. No. 33 thanks…..
    This is a guy in court suspected of stealing money from the ministry. Not even millions, small change from hotel bookings

36. The Engineer (Australia) no. 30 & 31—I was tought that when you result into insults, that is a sign of failure to think. please moderate your language.

37. #2, Kubeba Donchi – Reloaded.
    I guess you hate Choma [a part of Zambia], good luck! You also seem to be a bitter person that never thinks straight, good luck! Typical…

    Kapita has a point. The arms deal need to be explained beyond reasonable doubt. Rush and short answers will not do.  

38. Why is it that so many of our people refuse to think and resort to insults? Is it the color of skin or simply the lack of sufficient gray matter? It amazes me that here we can’t debate objectively. You don’t make a point by insulting RB, Mpombo, Sata, HH or whoever it is. We must learn to agree to disagree without belittling each other. Politics is a game of ideas not insults or character assassinations. No two people or nations agree on all things all the time. Come on guys, grow up! You make me sick!

39. But abantu bamoeee. Kwati tabali mufyalo fyabasungu the way they argue. Iyo kwena ni once a kamushi always a kamushi. Beniko civilized just the way you graduated from imibinde

40. #36 UPND amuses me coz of pipo who think ar too educated yet fail to deal with issues logically.this issue happend a long time ago and mpombo if u never head he said he has no proof to this matter….why and from where was kapita all this time? thanks for the good luck to pffffffffffffffffffffffff……………….get on the boat my friend..

41. #8 mulibapuba tata, thats why we ar saying maybe upnd is made up of educated fools, how can sumone who talks anyhow be more popular and have more members than a party that talks sense? u must be sick in the head. pipo ar not fools, the latest opinion poll sata is leading and am telling you we shall use pvt to make sure mmd is out and pf in the driving seat, as your party will be celebrating victory in choma.

42. ba kapita you listen to mpombo common duiker are you of the same feathers. mpombo is nothing but a comedian like sata whenever you want to laugh just to listen to mpombo speak

43. DONCHI KUBEBA: lost saul (musike mwaba bulelela)

44. #39, 
    It could have happened a long time a ago, but many Zambians are still asking the question about the allegedly deal. The matter needs to be addressed amply. Mpombo said he did not have the proof in his hands but proof is at MoD offices. Let govt come out clean on this one and many others such as the Zamtel deal, the Hotels Board of Zambia dael, etc .where deals were made at plot 1. 

45. #41 lady gaga watch out! dont bring sata in your useless analysis….sata is not a chinyau who scares pipo lyk yo leaders. he has the heart for pipo no wonder where he is he wants pipo to be smiling…..

    • why did he cage them in chawama if he has a heart for people,why did he support chiluba till both failed,the man is not a presidential material,some of you bembas dot accept other tribes,LPM is appreciated after his death what kind of a people are you,who just want to lead not to be led???? you all know that milupi HH,Magande they are mills better than Sata in life and the man has rhetoric history still you stand and say he is good where?????ill never ever support such a man thats just been tribal for nothing

46. This issue is a non-starter because Mpombo does not have evidence to substantiate his claims. Whether his claims are true or not, it is very difficult to pressure Government and put them on their defence when all there is to go on, is the statement from the former Defence Minister. I do not necessarily believe that Mpombo is just making up stories BUT he should have covered his bases before pulling the lid off the pressure cooker. Does anyone seriously think that even if the evidence was left at the MoD, the current government will tell you about it? I don’t think so. This is an uphill battle for Mpombo and unfortunately for him, there doesn’t appear to be a safety net in sight.

47. #46,
    If it the allegations are not true, then govt should by now have taken Mpombo to court for malicious slunder , but all govt is saying is the allegations are not true. This makes us believe the allegations are very true. We cannot prove it, but its taking away the trust we have in RB.

48. # 47 WE CAN, you are right to some extent but the Government could also be buying time to make sure that they cover their bases before going after him. Mpombo has managed to plant a seed of doubt in some quarters about the credibility of RB, you have alluded to that as well. However, as you have also mentioned, there is no proof and for as long as no physical evidence surfaces, Government will dilly dally all they want. Bottom line is that we do not have a ‘trump card’ to make/force the Government’s hand and have clarity about the matter.

49. #48,
    Govt is indeed buying time. Very true. Let it buy, but it will never buy our votes. If RB were wise he could have worked to remove the doubts on the minds several quarters before it backfires at vote time. Failure to communicate is failure to lead. Come vote time, please vote wisely. 

50. #49 WE CAN, you have made some very good points. Vote wisely indeed. All the best.

51. #21 MWIYA  

    You are absolutely right .. There has to be some record of the travel . Passport , airticket 
    Hotel booking , immigration forms both Zambia and south Africa , and besides the person or persons who Mpopo traveled with to south Africa whom he named specifically have not come out in the open to deny they traveled they have opted to remain silent … WHY?

52. You buggers should even be rioting and throwing stones etc coz the Govt hasnt bought these arms !

53. come on guys, surely mpombo is not worth the 52 blogs above, if we are not drunk with tujili jili like mpombo, can we discuss something sensible pleeeeease? surely mpombo cannot set our agenda?

54. So these are the people u want to govern Zambia. How do you open ur mouth so wide when u dont hv a single piece of evidence? typical of small brain party. remember when he was fired by his nephew for faling to manage the oil crisis. these guys Panji , Mpombo, Chitala, Sondashi are all recycled politicians who have failed our beloved Zed. We need real change.

55. UPND, PF and MMD are well represented in Parliament. If the Hon Mpombo made armpurchase allegations against Govt, concerned MPs are duty-bound to table the matter in Parliament. Then Ba Mpombo will ably present documents where Govt will be obliged to respond through Ministers of Defence and Finance. Let us make credible progress through lawful public institutions such as Parliament. Shadow-boxing will not help us.

56. UPND, PF and MMD are well represented in Parliament. If the Hon Mpombo made arms purchase allegations against Govt, the concerned MPs are duty-bound to table the matter in Parliament. Then Ba Mpombo will ably present documents where Govt will be obliged to respond through the Ministers of Defence and Finance. Let us make credible progress through lawful public institutions such as Parliament. Shadow-boxing will not provide political credibility to UPND etc.

57. We can and Olympia Extension Chick, you are civilised bloggers, Mpombo has made the accusation of Rb trying to influence arms purchase worth US$100 million for a 10% benefit to his son. Mpombo also stated that he liaised with Finance Minister Situmbeko Musokotwane to ensure the deal is not allocated money as it was costly to the nation. This soured relations between RB and Mpombo leading to the resignation of the later. Now, it would be foolhardy for Mpombo at this time to use all his cards in this accusation. The government is dilly dallying hoping this will go away, Mpombo on the other hand is playing a waiting game of being arrested so that he can use the proof to defend himself and unveil this evil scam. A wild and weird ploy! Vote wisely! I love all Zambians!

58. It makes me sad when issues of security are brought in public. I feel exactly the same way when Chiluba exposed the tunnel that KK had for security. The outmate loser is the person that reveals. What happens if we are attacked because our national security is compromised by the caliber of people like Mu pombo? Are these people we can trust to protect us? There is nothing dignifying in all this except we will be a laughing stock. The best he could have done is keep quiet instead of exposing his ignorance knowing very well he has no evidence. But shame on those that what to undermine us when we are the ones that voted them into power.

59. by the insults and ‘noise’ levels above one can tell which political party each blogger belongs to. viva intellectual and wise contributions above.

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