National Constitutional Conference-NCC Spokesperson Mwangala Zaloumis has called upon Zambians to be determined to have a good constitution.
Mrs. Zaloumis said constitution making is a process that should not be rushed but demands commitment and determination for good results to be achieved.
Mrs. Zaloumis pointed out that there is hope that this time around Zambia will set a good example in Africa by having a good constitution because of the process that has been
employed.
She was speaking during a phone in programme on Oblate Liseli Radio in Mongu today.
Asked when the NCC would deliver the constitution to Zambians, Mrs. Zaloumis said, the NCC is determined to work and produce a good constitution and not to just hurry the process.
She noted that many countries that have hurried the process have ended up in trouble saying because constitution making is both political and legal.
She pointed out that the NCC is developing a constitution that will not be shot down in many generations to come.
And a number of callers expressed concern over the Barotseland Agreement demanding to know the position of the NCC.
Mrs. Zaloumis explained that the Barotseland Agreement has been the centre talk by the people of Western province saying the document has been presented to members of the NCC to read and debate when they begin their sittings.
And Mrs. Zaloumis explained that the allowances awarded to members of the NCC was not even enough compared to the USD 10,000 allowances that their Kenyan counterparts were
getting.
She noted that the much talked about allowances were not even any where near the USD50, 000 that their Nigerian counterparts were getting.
The NCC Spokesperson explained that it is unfortunate that some sections of society have concentrated on talking about the allowances at the expense of looking at having a good constitution.
She said cheap is not always the best saying quality was expensive.
The NCC has embarked on a country wide sensitization tour on the NCC mandate and its operations among others which will continue during the NCC life span.
Muleikalafye mwebamu NCC!!
you have just robbed us of our money!
within the next ten years or less bakachichinja nakabili!
Dispute being one of the many unflinching Zambian Patriots and advocate of Democracy thatIi’am, I advocate that many SADC regional heads of state turn down the call for the Lusaka summit this weekend.
The fact that Morgan has been meeting them in their capitals without Mugabe’s views,waters the whole purpose of a summit in dispute resolutions.The visited leaders have enough grounds to remind Tsavingirai that election victory is not self confered.And where no candidate meets the constitutional benchmark, re-runs are constitutional.No regional head should partake in the conspiracy of surrendering Zimbabwe to Britain at whatever price.Our Presidential policy and political advisors on the african desk must help HE to appreciate what is at stake.
In what capacity would Morgan Tsavingirai be attending the Lusaka heads of states summit with President Mugabe in? That is bleach of protocal and dispute resolutions etiquetes right there.His Honor Rupia Banda and Ambassador Vernon Mwaanga are living top veteran career Diplomats. Have they been sidelined for HE to suffer this shame. These are serious blunders overzealous advisors are making punctuating the President’s legacy six years along the way. Zimbabwe has not reached the boiling point warranting such contigent summit pitching Zimbabwe’s head and and opposition at some international summit.
Amabassador Darius Bubala the Chief of protocal at MoFA is another seasoned and tested career serviceman/Diplomat. Has Bubala been made impotent by some overzealosu politicians clouding him out for such blunders to rock our Zambian leadership? Has his position turned ceremonial not to advise our number 1 right?
Issues of protocol are suppose to be his bedrock. We should learn from Ambassador Mukondo Lungu who handled liberation struggle disputes,the Angola-Savimbi summits and senior Kabila and Uganda/Rwanda proxies summit in Lusaka.Please professional Diplomats take your stand on issues to face serve HE being misled.Failure is not an option 6 years along the way.
We hope that the named constitution shall stand the test of time! because our past ones have been changed to suit certain group of people by puting their interst first. We need to be serious, alot of money has been spent towards all the purported amendiments and changes without neccessaly giving an acount to the zambian people! we are tired of you politicians making the suprem law of the land like a toilet paper!
Make sure all aspect of Zambian lives and protections of all the fandamental rights and reduction of presidential power are taken into consideration. We want the constitution that every Zambian be able to identify themselves in it respectively,stop politiking jst give us ANSWERS.
When you hear Zalouims comparing the allowances to Kenya or Nigerian one wonders what the hell is she talking about. Nigeria is rich as well as Kenya. These are the same pipo who were against NCC, now that they are beneficators they are tell us stupid stories jst steal and face the rough of the magnitude of Zambians. Secondly If Barotseland agreement will get preference I can see each tribe claiming to be independent as well as asking the Lozis to pay back the mineral royalties that they claimed to be theirs when copper mines are not in western province. Pipo should refrain from selfiness and appreciate living side by side with others and not use NCC as way to manipulate their goes.
Hi bloggers, can any of you Lozis out there articulate what this beef your people have with this Barotseland thing with relation to mineral royalties and why their issue has to make it into the new constitution. Is it true you want some break away state. Please educate some of us on this. we are in the dark.
Historically, the Lozis signed the rockner consession 1900 that gave the mineral rights to Cecil Rhodes the Briton in return for protection as well as mineral royalties.The Litunga and other immediate Royal families were also given free access to free ducation in United Kingdom on expense of the pipo of Northern Rhodesia.However, the minerals & mines were not in Barotseland. During ChaChaCha the struggle for independence,the Lozis they did not take part at the eariest point in time as a result when they saw the change was emminent, they spoke with KK and other political figures and gave them some pounds(£) which they got from minerals with the view that once independence Barotseland will be
Contd: independent and the govt of that day will pay them.Since then The Batseland agreement has been the own going since 1964 upto date, Maybe the want Kwangwa which means pipo who doesn’t want to live with others.KK openly refused their demand as well as Chiluba. If the Lozis want Barotseland as an independent state then coming into zambia they have to apply for Visas and for work permits.Therefore, NCC is another opportunity for wasting time on something that is unchievable. More from archives.
First of all, the barotseland agreement is a controversial thing. I would support giving the Lozi’s indeoendence because it’ll be less costs for the country and less ministers meaning more money for the country. However, this can be disastrous because other tribes can also want to be independent and this would lead to division within the country. Next it could be the Tonga’s of Southern Province and the Bemba’s of Northern Province and then the Chewa’s and Tumbuka’s of Eastern Province. I do think we should give them independence if they want it badly and they should apply for Visa’s if they want to come to Zambia but starting up one thing will lead to another. So…i dont know.
Hello Dear Colleagues,
Please educate me on this Baroste/Mineral royalties connection. I do not understand!
#13 The question is how can the govt pay back the money which was raised through mineral royalties ? Secondly, the Barotseland agreement is a dangerous move by the Lozis and they know it very well. ask any mature politician they will tell the same . Thats why KK came up with One Zambia One nation
#14
Perhaps i need to be more educated on this issue, please type away and educate me on the same barotseland agreement and what the outcome can be if it had to be passed.
The Barotse Agreement complaints will always be with us due to poor national governance practices by those in government. Lozis perhaps think that they can look after themselves far much more humanely than under Lusaka. As far as I can see, all provinces do believe that Lusaka is a toilet. Lusaka knows and does nothing to ensure that all citizens are better off this year, or this decade, than before. Levy’s faith in foreigners is a sick reminder how a brain dead politician in Lusaka can destroy the whole nation’s hopes for developement by the people for the people from the day a prez is sworn in.
Please someone explain to me what is up with the Barotseland agreement
Let the Lozi’s be independent and we shall see who will go and air lift them when they flood. more over, we don’t get anything as a nation from that poor province which is only rich in hand bangles and wet lands full of sand!
it is the right thing to put the barotseland agreement to the NCC, so that they kill it for good. kenya and nigeria are so rich it is ridiculous to compare them with the zambian NCC members. zaloumis must have another reason to defend the allowances. but i have trust the constitution will be a better document this time.
it is the right thing to put the barotseland agreement to the NCC, so that they kill it for good. kenya and nigeria are so rich it is ridiculous to compare them with the zambian NCC members. zaloumis must have another reason to defend the allowances. but i have trust the constitution will be a better document this time. good work.
The Barotseland gained a special status under the British Colonial system as a British protectorate 2 be protected against the impending German, Portuguese and Ndebele raids.On 18th May 1964, Litunga of Barotseland and KK Prime Minister of Northern Rhodesia signed the “Barotseland Agreement 1964” which established Barotseland’s position within Zambia in place of the earlier agreement between Barotseland and the British Government. The Barotseland Agreement granted Barotse authorities and pipo specified limited local self-governance and rights to be consulted on specified matters,land, natural resources.
# 15 and 17, I hope that answers you. I found this Barotse agreement thing in yahoo search engine.
NCC is just a way for Levy to derail what Zambia has been crying for.. a constitution to propel the country forward so that thieves and thugs are accountable. How long are we going to see public funds being embezzelled into LuSe by those in office and nothing is done by Levy?
The so called barosteland agreement is a fraud right from the start. First of all the agreement between the British colonial gov’t and the lozi chiefs was a fraud because even in the 1890s, Lozis were not the only ones in that region, there are other tribes that have been in that area before lozis arrived from South Africa. The Nkoya people have been in that area before lozi arrived yet, the lozi chief went ahead to sign deals with foreigners without the consent of other chiefs. Even the British gov’t knew that in western Zambia there were other tribes there particularly the Nkoya people who have never supported the baroste nonsense simply because they are not lozi.
cont’d: KK’s gov’t disassociated the baroste nonsense so did chiluba because Lozis are not the only ones in western province. The baroste issue is based on tribalism acted by lozis for their selfish reasons and nothing more. No one especially the Nkoya people who are in Western Province will EVER support that nonsense. Nkoyas are found in Kaoma, Lukulu, and Mongu district. There even more in Kalabo, Shangombo, Mulobezi and Seskeke so how would the barosteland issue be enforced? It can’t happen. Also notice how senior politicians like akashambatwa, Inonge lewanika and others seem silent about this.
KK’s gov’t disassociated the baroste nonsense so did chiluba because Lozis are not the only ones in western province. The baroste issue is based on tribalism acted by lozis for their selfish reasons and nothing more. No one especially the Nkoya people who are in Western Province will NEVER support that nonsense. Nkoyas are found in Kaoma, Lukulu, and Mongu district. There even more in Kalabo, Shangombo, Mulobezi and Seskeke so how would the barosteland issue be enforced? It can’t happen. Also notice how senior politicians like akashambatwa, Inonge lewanika and others seem silent about this.
Cont’d
They know they would lose their gov’t jobs if they pushed this issue, so they are sending small boys to make noise on their behalf because deep down they know the matter is not achievable because it is based on tribalism and it would have other negative effects in other parts of the country. If this fraud is recognised by the gov’t, there will be war in Zambia!! Peace loving Zambians must MAKE SURE this nonsense stays in the archives were it belongs! We don’t want war in Zambia, with war you can never see development and without development, poverty will become even worse, with that comes more crime, prostitution and the complete breakdown of law and order.
Patriot does not understand democrcy. What has the UK got to do with what is happening in Zimbabwe ? Where have you ever heard of elections and no results for 14 days ? Where have you ever heard of demands for recount before results are announced ? Where have you ever heard of an Electoral Commission that takes orders from governmnet ? If Mugabe had won he would have announced the results. Levy is right on to invite Morgan where do you solve a conflict without talking to the parties. The people of Zimbabwe have shamed Mugabe nad his racist supporters like patriot.
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Where have you ever heard of elections and no results for 14 days ?
Mozambique 1999 elections. Renamo leader Alfonso Drakama behaved the same Tsangiari way. He declared himself winner based on a few urban exit polls against the ruling Fererimo’s Chisanu. Results took more than 16 days. When announced Chisanu won. This is the former head of state who by doing that, he has just won US $ 5 Million African Good model leadership fund from the Celtel owner, financial mogul (Ibrahim).Where there irregularities elections could be held beyond 14 days.
Fellow africans,
Lets be careful with these foreign concepts trashed on our mouth.We have misunderstood Democracy.
Look at Kenya, a poor country with limited natural resources being forced in a weird 50-50 power sharing concept leading to a blotted coalition Government of 40 plus cabinet ministers. This is a concept never seen even in the USA following the 2000 elections when El gore won the popular vote clearly despite all their wealth. Such concepts are only coined for Africa as a testing ground.
Which governments in the world share power without any shared value?
Can someone point to any country in the world where there are two heads as being imposed in Kenya and many countries to face it?
Trust me folks, this is “skewed logic” we are seeing on our watches imposed on Africa when we are the owners of the resources the bourgeois want to protect and exploit with impunity under some stooge. Can Britain and the U.S show us models of countries that have implemented 50-50 and it has worked?
Its nice to put the Barotse issue to rest! coz our fore king errored and today we are a new zambia and we need each other than ever!I am lozi and pround of been a zambian despite the history! No one will ever divide this country!I say so coz Zambia has become more than one,we are now a nuclear nation! we have inter married and have famillies in each province!
For those advocating for barotseland issue,should take into accound boundaries,it’ll mean coperbelt,part of southern province and North western province belongs to Barotseland-check on then boundaries,KK knows this ask him! so No ways zambia will ever divide,it’ll cause unrest in the region which we don’t want!The chaps that benefite
d are those in the rayol familly not an odinary Lozi,Nkoya,Luvale,Totela,Luyana,Nyengo,subuya etc Therefore thy need to keep quiet or shut up and never talk on impossibles.
Katumbi’s bank accounts will be reopened, says Nkole
By Zumani Katasefa
Friday April 11, 2008 Print Article Email Article
TASK Force on corruption chairman Maxwell Nkole has said Democratic Republic of Congo Katanga governor Moses Katumbi’s bank accounts in Zambia will be reopened.
Nkole was speaking to journalists yesterday after he held talks with Katumbi’s representatives over the handover of properties that were seized by the Task Force.
He named plot number 3754 Parklands, Kitwe valued at K1.1 billion and the Mishani property, also known as the Watch Tower Kingdom, and other property on Kariba road in Kitwe among properties expected to be handed o
I am wondering why the so called NCC is composed of the Lozis at the top. I say so because the likes of Mulele Mulele and Zaloumis who are Lozis and have a tribal interest called Barotse. Is this a strategy to let the Lozis hijack the system? Further what do we expect from a landscaper graduate Mulele to give us an acceptable well rounded constitition when the same Mulele accused his surbordinates of maliciousy crime which he failed to prove when he was a permanent secretary at the Ministry of Agriculture on tribal lines?
Levy please.. we have enough qualified Zambians to give us a well rounded constitution than use the recycled Zaloumis and Mulele who have tribal interest at hand.
The issue of Lozis is a complex one. I failed to see why Historian postings have not defined who is Lozi. Lozis are a collection of different tribes. The Lozi we speak is a common language which meets the communication difficulties of the Mbunda, Luyana,totela, Subiya, Nyengo and others including the Nkoya’s, etc.
So if we talk about the Lozi lets point out which among those who form the Lozi group are talked about.
”A night without the President”
#36 Most people in western province don’t speak the lozi ‘language’ as you have mentioned above AND it does not meet any communication difficulties. Mbundas (refugees) from Angola speak Mbunda. Nkoya also speak Nkoya only!! These others like luyana, totela, Subiya and Nyengo (fred m’membe’s mother) are the ones who have abandoned their languages in preference to using lozi (Kololo)language.
In fact there is no tribe called lozi. The only ones who want barotse nonsense is therefore a tiny group found in western province who call themselves the royal family of mainly Mbukushu tribe were the lewanikas and family come from. Of all the groups in western province the oldest are the Nkoya tribe.
#36 Most people in western province don’t speak the lozi ‘language’ as you have mentioned above AND it does not meet any communication difficulties. Mbundas (refugees) from Angola speak Mbunda. Nkoya also speak Nkoya only!! These others like luyana, totela, Subiya and Nyengo (fred m’membe’s mother) are the ones who have abandoned their languages in preference to using lozi (Kololo)language. In fact there is no tribe called lozi. The only ones who want barotse nonsense is therefore a tiny group found in western province who call themselves the royal family of mainly Mbukushu tribe were the lewanikas and family come from. Of all the groups in western province the oldest are the Nkoya tribe.
#36 Most people in western province don’t speak the lozi ‘language’ as you have mentioned above AND it does not meet any communication difficulties. Mbundas (refugees) from Angola speak Mbunda. Nkoya also speak Nkoya only!! These others like luyana, totela, Subiya and Nyengo (fred m’membe’s mother) are the ones who have abandoned their languages in preference to using lozi (Kololo)language. In fact there is no tribe called lozi. The only ones who want barotse nonsense is therefore a tiny group found in western province who call themselves the royal family of mainly Mbukushu tribe were the lewanikas and family come from. Of all the groups in western province the oldest are the Nkoya tribe.
There is a lot of infighting among these lozi speaking groups like the luyana, nyengo, Mbukushu, subiya and totela who are organising amongst other things the dethronement of the current lozi chief in limulunga and decampaigning of the kuomboka ceremony because it is not a traditional ceremony per se that is why the event has been a flop this year and this is expected to continue for many years to come from now onwards. The Nalikwanda has been identified as the cause of the mysterious fish desease in Zambezi river and most people who fish in that river don’t want to see the Kuomboka taking place in the Zambezi river any more because the fish desease is getting worse.
who is Amabassador Darius Bubala? why is he ceremonial? is he a prominent figure in zambia?