The Chief Government spokesperson has taken a swipe at clergy men supporting the planned country wide demonstrations over mealie meal prices.
Ronnie Shikapwasha says it is not biblical for the church to support demonstrations because the bible has no record where these protests are supported.
He was speaking in Lusaka when he officiated at the graduation and ordination ceremony of pastors at the Bible Gospel Church in Africa,BIGOCA.
The minister also called on opposition leaders who are concerned over the rising mealie meal prices to dialogue with Government instead of resorting to demonstrations.
Lieutenant General Shikapwasha who is also Information Minister said demonstrations might turn out to be violent and plunge the nation into chaos.
And BIGOCA overseer Bishop, Peter Ndhlovu, said the church should not be part of any form of demonstrations but provide guidance in solving problems affecting the country.
ZNBC
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And its not biblical for the goverment to increase their salaries at the expense of starving citizens! ;;)
Excellent baby C. they are tring to remove the speck from our eyes whilst they havo logs in their own. he is even using big words like “Dialogue”.
Which concerned opposition leaders???? Name them kaili! Muyopa??
Shikapwasha and his cohorts always want to use the bible when ONLY it suites them.Where does the bible say cheat the voters during elections? U, Nyama Soya, ka Mulongoti, Teta were busy cheating us!!! fertilizer K50pin, fuel will reduce further, Unga (maize meal) will be cheap. You personally you have Used threats on us and illegally deported people during your rein as Home Affairs Minister. The courts over ruled Your insenity. So what are you telling us. Shut your big mouth UP!!!!Demonstrations are an expression of refusal & nfo u things not ok in the country i.e. Job loses
What Bible is the General using. The Bible is full of stories to do will rebelions. Even the Crusification of our Lord Jesus had to do with demos as the Pharisees were afraid that Jesus was going to stir the masses against the rulers of Palestine. If Shikapwasha is a Pastor then I pity his congregession.
I tought freedom of expression was biblical. Shikapwasha is either being selective or is not telling the whole truth. What he is saying doesnt sound right.
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it is also not Biblical for the govt to give a deaf ear to the people they govern BABY C i agreewith u 100%
Shikashika should think before he speaks.There is nothing wrong in expressing there feelings if the govt has got nothing to hide.In this kind of economic environment common sense would demand that you reduce the size of your govt as opposed in having 2 Cabinet Ministers in 1 Ministry doing nothing.So what people are saying is that lets share the national cake equally. And no threats should be uttered ,if you are really a popular govt.
Ba Moze
Hello u! How was your Weekend???
Watch this space, I am #11. I will be # 1 soon. But I think ronnie is crossing the bridge before he gets there. He is not using his head to think, he is rather using his mouth to think and speak.
Am ok Baby C. Weekend was ok mwe. And You? Just ba RB being uninspiring. Unaonako President kukamba ati vintu vanivuta? How is that providing leadership Mwana?
Please, let us not use the bible out of context to cover up the wickedness of missapropriating funds and the poor suffer the consequences. God’s eye and heart are for the poor and Jesus came to set us free from such rulers. Read Matthew Ch 23 and you will see how Jesus fought for the poor. Even with God believers demand their rights when they pray to God and Jesus prayed may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. What the leaders need to be doing is pray to God for him to change their hearts so that they can serve the people and not take advantage of the poor. Remember Judgement day is coming and everyone will have to account for what they did on this earth. Please do not use the
You should not use the bible only when it suits you. you hypocrites.
Shikapwasha,please dont you the Bible to defend your failures,God will punish you.let the pipo of Zambia express their sorrow through the demos.I’ll only condemn these demos only when they turn into riots,as for now Viva demos.
contd, name of the Lord in vain to cover up wrongs. Let us not misrepresent God and put a stumbling block on people who would want to know Jesus by our wrong behaviour. Sir, we study the bible and we rightly divide the word of truth, we are like the sons of Berea and cannot be led astray. Let us not use the name of God in vain. As a christian, you sir are supposed to be demanding for accountability from your fellow leaders and serve as an example by providing justice to the poor Zambians who have been taken for granted. May the lord forgive you sir and may the Lord bless Zambia and provide us with accountable leaders.
Imwe mwe bena Zambia its like you suffer from a disease called complaining while and worsting time talking about useless things. Bambi you are fight to be no.1 to blog here nadabwa mwee. Now RB has told you that instead of worsting time go and farm produce 10 bags for starters for yourselves and things will be ok. But looking at the levels of debate on this forum Zambians are completely lazy pipo. You are luck KK introduced free education. Everyday, you are talking about your leaders what about you as a citizen, you also have a role to play and what have you done youself. You also remove a speck from you eye. there is no demo for PF on mealie meal, because PF members who run mealie..2 b cont
Mr.Shikapwasha should be warned not to use the Bible to support skewed, misguided and dishonest assertions or view points. If the Bible is the yardstick he chooses to use, then so be it. One just needs to remind him that the Bible speaks against leaders who take advantage of and neglect the people they are responsible for. The Bible also encourages us to speak up when there is any wrong doing. RB and company made fake promises to reduce mealie meal prices during their campaigning. Promises they knew they could not and would not keep. That is moral and political dishonesty and it is WRONG. People are dying of starvation for crying out loud!
Walasa Baby C. I n I is beginning to enjoy your contributions, Keep it up, One Love.
PF members running milling companies are behind the high mealie meal prices. GBM, Caleb Mulenga, Chati, etc to mention but a few. PF after losing 3 times convincingly, they cant take it. Now they want to resort to the usual bemba manipulations by increasing prices of Unga, then demos should be eminent. We know you.We will make sure not a single demo is held. We are boma and we are not playing. RB is busy putting things in order quietly and he does not need to talk much. As you know ations speak louder than words. RB nga talipo bonse aba nibangwele, twalaizandamuna lelo muledabwa…
Ya #I8, Waponta sana. Whatever you say, just mind the english. Mwatyola maningi boss.
shikapwasha u don’t practice what u preach so do u think anyone will agree with u??? shame on u pretender,what do u know about the bible and why didn’t u apply the same thinking when u increased your salaries selfish hypocrites..to hell with u.
#3. Baby C
That is a “Tu Quoqe”.
What Shikapwasha is saying is true. Rioting will just do more damage than good.
And what you guys are doing is making the western media richer. Just wait and see the way the western media will pounce on Zambia. Zambia will be finished when the western media is done with it.
That will result in increased weakness of the kwacha, less FDI, less tourism, etc.
Dialogue is a much better solution. Riots wont benefit anyone.
Hmmm…which bible would that be…I remember a couple of thousands of Israelite’s who were led by a guy called Moses out of Egypt in protest of the living conditions there. If i remember very well a couple of guys actually died trying to stop them from crossing the red sea…but we all know the story. Moses did his thing with the stick…parted the sea and…I wish Micheal Sata had one of those sea parting things…The only difference between us and the Israelites is we have no where else to go!!!!!!!
VIVA le Protests
#18 it seems to me the free education you talking about did not do much for you. Like Ba Moze says, Mwabodola boss
#24
Ohhohh! thanx dont know what i was thinking
#24, I agree with you partly, but i thought we were talking of a non violent demo here. Shika is the one advocating violence coz no one has talked of rioting.
Riots and peaceful demos are two different things. Remember the 1986 Riots, no one called for those. Riots are usually spontenous, demos are organised, Viva demos
#21 Back to work twafwa.
Scumbag is back.
Ho Ho Ho
Bushe ali normal Shikapwasha?
I fully support most of your view regarding protests. Surely can we eat Shikapwasha ? Honestly we need realism and application of moral justice for us to survive. All the promises are being violated by these fellows……Give us time to protest Ronny. Infact I will be there with Chipo and Darlington ! ( MatWorld, stan your call !)
It is about time Zambians jacked up, brooked no nonesense and spoke out against a morally bankrupt government. 21.Tula Twabane, has seen it fit to blame the high mealie meal prices on PF members who “own the milling companies”. I find it hard to respond to such a ridiculous assertion, so I will leave it alone. For how long are we going to “negotiate” with a government hell bent on doing anything but “governing”?. Talema! There is no point trying to reason with the UNREASONABLE. The govt has proven itself to be callous, calculating, selfish, heartless,immoral and tunnel visioned. They need to know, in no uncertain terms, that enough is enough. Peaceful demos are necessary.
#28. Ba Moze
True, Riots and Demos are different but do you expect me to believe that Sata will carry out a peaceful Demo???
Judging from Sata’s past behavior I don’t think so.
Sata has been given a chance to try dialogue but he has refused. That man drives me up the wall. It is like he is trying to destroy the country. He is like a bad rash that wont go away.
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! ~X(~X(~X(~X(
Ronnie please mind your language and never ever use the word of God in vain………..i totally agree with #14….may God help us with such leaders.
Kubwaka matiti awa te,
Ba Pastor! is it Biblical to only look at your salaries minus others?
Is it Biblical to oppress the poor, is it Biblical to segregate the fellow Zambians?
Hon Minister are you governing the Nation in a Biblical way?
Please stop involving the name of Our LORD in your cheap politics, we know you have a job to protect! [-o<[-o<[-o<
Ronnie cannot think straight because his brains r in the wrong place-ku mpuno!!! u look at the nose & ask yourself why it looks funny? Its because thats where the brains r situated. So forgive him if he starts using the bible selectively. Religion trully is the opium of the poor. If they want to rise or demostrate against something or other, they r told ‘the bible doesnt allow’. There r so many things that the bible doesnt allow but the powers that be ignore most of these because they r to their benefit. Shame on u Ronnie mpuno, shame on u Shrek the defiler, shame on u MMD. Viva PF, Long live Sata!
ba Moze and Kasai are correct. Some people here seem to have mixed up demos and riots. Vasiyana please. have your facts correct before presenting an argument without logic. Viva peaceful Demos.
Ba Moze, How are you? You were missed. 😡
Reverend Shikapwasha is a Sunday school dropout. Esther, Mordecai and all the Jews mounted a protest that saved them Jews from annihilation plotted by Haman; the examples are many Sunday school is not just about singing “Father Abraham” but it creates a foundation upon which your biblical knowledge will be anchored. You see now Rev. that your ignorance in the Bible is shocking. :o:o:o
#18
Your English dear…… work on it before you continue….
Gentlemen this one alone all the comments are superb keep it up with the spirit ba tuyuya sana bambwana
34. Free-Market-Capitlst. U are so focused on the man who “drives you up the wall” that you fail to see the legitimacy of the grievance and the fact that if there was no genuine frustration on the part of Zambians, they would not support or take part in the demos. Shift your focus away from Sata for just a minute (I know its hard but you can do it)and realise that Zambians are frustrated and have the right to express that frustration peacefully. Whether Sata is a part of it or not is of no consequence.
Let people feel free to express themselves on these blogs,it’s the beginning of solutions & it is the only freedom of expression they have in Zambia because freedom of speech has been denied. In developed countries individuals even demonstrate alone in public, but in Zambia citizens have been intimidated. Please do not misrepresent the peaceful demonstrations by calling them riots and bringing a bad image. What the Govt should be against is violent demos but as for peaceful demos they should have already given a green light. But they are against everything that is why zambians feel like their rights are not being respected ,and they cannot allow their rights to be trampled upon.
Keep the bible out of politics! Even if you live in the so called “christian nation”.
If my memeory serves me right, we witnessed this during the last days of KK. It’s like history repeating itself. Am sure the RB administration can not only see it coming but can also smell it too.
There is no way Michael charles chilufya Sata, will undertake a peaseful demo. he is an anarchist, violent and power hungry fellow whose followers are either Kaponyas or behane like kaponya. PF is a party for call boys and society’s misfits.
Go to the negotiating table mune. Mr sata as a former colonial informer he should heed advise that dialogue is better than confrontation.
not biblical =)) its so funny
i dont think i’ve sen any MMD in the bible either. :-w
i rest my case
#18.edited if you have so much brains than all of us tell us what is the solution in place of a peaceful demonstration. We can not all be politicians. They represent us and we have a right to talk yet alone complain.
Offer solutions instead of generalising bloggers.
No 18 you surprise me .. PF was not beaten clean. You can only say so if you are blind MMD beneficiary. Man you are outa this world. If PF millers are behind the increase why cant MMD also start milling especially Mr Chilala
Is it bibilical to rig elections?
#43. Ichi shinka
You remember what happened in Kitwe last time. There was a riot and looting, destroying of property, etc was a part of it.
I am not against peaceful demos. What I am worried about is, is PF capable of a peaceful demo???
Do you know how many people it takes to start a riot?? All it takes is 1 person. One person stir up some stuff and the whole crowd goes along with it.
And such a person is common amongst the PF crowd.
Free market Capitalist
Maybe thats where you and me are not ticking. You see, try , just this once to understand that these demos are not about Sata. They are about You and me and all the affected citizens out there. remember that we have a moral duty to protect the future generation from these political elements who mean no goog. Dont let Sata cloud both your thinking and wise judgement. I think you are too good for thatbased on your comments over time. We have simply had enough lies.
contd, why is the Govt panicking. if they are so confident in the way they are managing the country they need to encourage peaceful demonstrations. Everyone is against violent demos and for those who will be demonstrating you need to know that you have a responsibility to the Zambian people by conducting the demos peacefully and definately the Govt needs to supervise the demos to ensure there is no violence and the violent demonstrators are dealt with according to the law. But as for peaceful demos, the Govt needs to show itself that it is objective and these are checks and balances from the people and should allow the peaceful demos.
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53. Ba Moze
If it was any other person organizing the demos then I would have been ok with them but the fact that it is Sata makes me nervous.
I want you to answer me honestly, DO YOU THINK MICHEAL CHILUFYA SATA IS CAPABLE OF ORGANIZING A PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATION???
Where are the other opposition parties in Zambia, do they understand their roles, can they then take up leadership to mobilize the people to demonstrate peacefully concerning all the issues that Zambians are not happy against. If the govt does not trust PF to lead a peaceful demo,can the other opposition parties spearhead this venture and we will await to hear what the Govt says next. Opposition parties your role is not just to contest the elections you have to keep the Govt of the day on it’s feet and ensure that the Zambians are exercising their civic rights. this is about all zambians and not about PF.
all you cyber bullies are not not biblical just like shakufuswa!!!!
Big Moze, come out of this blog, you are just a simple cadre for PF, you have not brought out anything concrete. I will come fire you at that simple NGO. Mind your language, its because of good governance that you are able to work for that NGO.
So leave the President peacefully, you the same people that did not even vote
Let me hear you again, i will reach out for you
Free Market capitalist
My answer is an emphatic YES. He would not risk his political future for one days madness. Not at this moment anyway. Am very positive that things would work out well. Just remember though that in a situation like that there are rogues who tend to want to manipulate a situation for their benefit (especially ba kaponya).
56.New Zambia, Very well said!!
AIDS yalimwingila kubongo shikap. what kind of crap is that!
#58
Am so very sorry to dissapoint you, but am not even PF. If the honest truth must be told, I’m UPND. You see, unlike you i look at issues analytically. Despite you being MMD, you are equally feeling the pinch ba so called analyst.
Judging from your anger, its not my fault if you were not given the job you were promised to help rig the elections. Just work extra hard. Good things come to those who wait. Wabe ichimona.
Please define the good governance you are talking about in Zambia step by step and kindly relate it to the suffering Zambians are going through. Let’s avoid using words we don’t understand which are only good for project proposals which please donors to provide funding ,which still ends up being missapropriated and never reaches the receipients it’s intended to reach.
#59. Ba Moze
It is good that you have faith in Sata.
All I remember is PF cadres starting a fight with MMD cadres and Sata was accused of slapping an MMD cadre.
I also remember PF cadres rioting, looting, destroying property, etc in Kitwe.
I also remember PF cadres forcing their way into the Lusaka High court.
I also remember Sata forcefully impounding a ZANIS van I think in Central Province if I am not mistaken.
I am sorry but with PF’s pattern of behavior, I cannot trust them to hold a peaceful demo. Their behavior speaks out too much. 😮
Rb gooday, please may just resign on moral ground. look ta our economy, Shame on you and you claim cheating voters its biblical. You guy you will be anserable when the Son of man comes JUSUS Christ. Too bad if realy these other oppositiona parties will not come together so that they fight the messup MMD which was bult on solidy ground. So 2011 no need of many hungry oppositiona parties that can be easily bought by blown envelop just to buy few votes shame you guys MIyanda, kondo man witgout vision and direction poor people part you cant do any thing, sakwiba, edith nawakwi prostitute unip tilyenji all uou guy you are useless for sure why are you queite are seeking for jobs. Lets standup
Shikapwasha who told you that? Ubupuba chi minister. What does democracy mean? :d/
# 34, you are very right, Sata & PF will never led peaceful demos as you will see what happened when Fr. Bwalya was arrested by Police. Ba Sata is a bitter man after falling 3 times and has nothing to lose. Any sensible leader who has the nation at heart will now look to a round table dialogue to alleviate the crisis. Ba RB and his gang have cheated us quite alright but why should we lose the liitle that we have once the Country is in flames. My point here is that those that will demonstrate are not people who are sensible or earning a living but the kaponya’s. Certainly Ba Sata hasn’t the qualities of Ba Mahatmi Ghandi. Ba General is just a hypocrite why did that Bishop allow him!
Free market Capitalist
Yes, you are entitled to feel that way for obvious historical background. I respect that. My comfort is the fact that not only PF and Sata will be there but other NGOs too. Lets hope for the best, shall we?
Does Shikapwasha and the RB govt believe in the Bible?
Ba Moze
Dont mind them.
looks like some bloggers here own huge shares in the so called MMD. They are so protective.
Baby C, Am not even bothered. I actually feel sorry for some chaps #58. Very lost.
these planned demonstrations are uncalled for and should not even be given a chance,i think the Government is doing a good job at trying to mitigate the impact of the global financial crisis,lets give them a chance…
rb ure u hav failed; the best advise i can give is 4 u 2 resign. because this guy so shikapwanya is just misreading u.thats why niwe president waku vubwi; teti weba miners ukwamba ukulima; viva pf put presure on them .
No constitution, No demonstration, What does the constitution say
about demonstration?. Let’s call a spade a spade.Remember, No one is above the Law.For Heaven Sake.Leadership is about meeting people’s needs and not been defensive . Amen
Chi # 47 TULA TWABANE ndiwe chi fontini,ichitutu.its a pity if you are a relative to RB or MMD but you have to call a spade a spade.mealie meal issue is very important it affects every zambian,its # 1 on every budget even of a poorest zambian.stop quoting history for sata cause he is talking sense,we need to eat.and be carefull the way you comment regarding this issue cause a person like me if i see u phisically ninga kugwile pamukosi.we have pipo out there who cant aford 3 meals a day.a hungry man is an angry man
#72
Did you say mitigate???? Give me one example….
#3 Baby C. Well said. It is also a crime against mankind to rig elections and then you start passing such useless statements. Politicians should think before they talk
#56 New Zambia. Great observation. Where the hell are the other opposition parties?
You would have been handsome Shikapwasha,but for your nose covering a third of your face.
Morning Baby C, Fr Xmas, a luta continua… :d
#80! o nachedwa lelo…
The LT is misleading himself. he cant tell the difference between whats biblical and whats not..has he ever come across the term `peaceful demo` or `peaceful viva.` please lets not polute the church with misleading statements,GOD is watching.
Ba Moze
Are we joining in the demo????
Yes when is the demo people pliz nalema…
Sony Eric
Morning. How are today???
Shikapwasha is a suck up monga RB. Rigging elections is contrary to biblical teachings
Surely why should demonstations be discouraged. Ba MMD scared of nealy anything including their shadow. Ther time to dance to our tune has come. They thought leadership is easy… :((:((
Am good Baby C :d Did you have a good weekend?
I am also joining the demo other ba ngwele bene Sugar Daddy and Shikapwasha banga to dobe
Wow! sony ericson has been found.We thank God my brother you are found and you are still blogging.to tell you the truth I was worried of you.I thought you are one of the men arrested in ZIM for smuggliing fish.Welcome back bro. =d>=d>=d>=d>=d>
Sony Eric
It was good! missed Saturday what happened?? were you nursing a hangover????
Iwe shikapwasha re-read your bible.Jesus protested when he saw those boombaclaats turning the house of the lord into a market.
Hi Matworld I was out hunting mbeba on saturday :d
Yes Lt Gen should try to read the thing before he makes such comments pliz
Is Shikapwasha a General or Reverend?
For those stating that the Govt is doing a good job by mitigating the Global economic crisis, kindly list the steps they are taking one by one, because as far as Zambians are concerned there has been no communication on how they will practically handle the situation. But it seems some peole are knowledgable of that, please help us understand those steps one by one. We do not want general blanket statements and terminology that is only good on paper, project proposals and for donors. we need to see the practical steps and how they will be measured, monitored and evaluated.God bless Zambia.
Shikapwasha,dont use the bible in vain iwe cilishani kanshi,this is avery simple issue that can be dealt with without using the Bible,just give Zambians what they want that so.
whatever reasons for inviting this guy to church func tions!my foot! where is it written that pipo should not demo either? atase!
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Why is that these politicians turn political even when its not necessary??? Am just wondering…. from graduation to Bible to Mealie meal and finally demostrations …hmmm!interesting!
Baby C they can’t sleep from demonstrations you see, they start talking about something else then it just comes to them suddenly – “demonstrations”, and the topic changes.
Next will be “fertiliser prices”, eh eh, eh, “OK it is because of demonstrations!”
Typical FTJ thinking, using the Bible to oppress the masses.
#21 :-@:-@:-@:-@:-@ ma labishi!
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FTJ used Religion even when he was grabbing REGINA from the husband. Personally, I have no respect for these unrepentant HYPOCRITES.
21 You reason in reverse mode. Ama Rubbish…
Baby C. Come rain come sunshine, we are joining the demo.
Mukelebai
Even Bishop Pule quoted the bible when he married that ka sweet sixteen by the name of Leya.Am sure RB did the same….
#2I
waona? i told you to mind the english. have you read what people think of your comments? Read I0I and I04…just to mention a few.
bakalamwe ba MMD SUPPOTERS ICHUMWALAFWILA NESALA.COZ URE JUST SUPPORTING BRIND. BECAUSE YO GOVMENT THEIR NOT THINKING.
What is shikapwasha talking about because he is full and he doesn’t buy mealie meal it’s us poor zambians who are feeling the impact.its only that it suits him that is why he is protecting the Govt.
Chi No. 26, tula twabane. Uli chipuba and u shud just kip quiet with your bootlicking attitude.
I can just see it now.
Some PF cadre will stir up some stuff, everything goes out of control and the vultures move in (BBC, CNN, REUTERS, SKYNEWS, ETC).
The questions that will be constantly asked and inflated.
1. Is it tribal (the big one)???
2. How many have died??
3. Is it connected with Robert Mugabe (seeing Zambia’s geographic position)??
4. Is there a threat of civil war??
5. Will there be a power sharing deal.
The words that will be common, VIOLENT PROTESTS, VIOLENCE IN LUSAKA, ETC.
Baby C, I hope you will be watching closely in your apartment in Brixton. The media will have a field day with this.
# 70 & #71.Most Zambians you are good at talking and writing excellent english but LAZY.Look at the time ba Moze n baby c spend on the PC doing nothing but criticizing almost everyone. # 18,be happy english is our second language. For Shikas,is it biblical to close eyes when praying,you are a big disappointment.
The Pulpit, when it suits you use it, when others use it, they are against government.
# II2. Poor you. Mwana unlike you, ine ninasebenza kudala. Two, are you aware that you can be on LT using a mobile gadget? Yaba. Are we criticizing everyone? are you sure? Do you know what you are saying? You are lucky Rashid is not here. Bafye bwino boyi. Work hard, thats all. Now, go back to work. You havent finished cleaning the boss’ car. ..And stop smoking, wlaocha motoka.
#111 FMC what is your solution? People want to protest, what is your advice to them? Instead of just being a prophet of doom…
We are not all PF, majority of us are independent’s who are just expressing our civic rights. If you are so concerned about violent demos why haven’t you provided civic education in the past to educate all zambians about their civic rights and how to express them in peaceful demos. People are suffering and are hurting and need to express their frustrations. what you need to do is provide a conducive atmosphere in the country free of intimidation and bootlicking so that all zambians can provide their feedback on how the Govt is performing.
We are not all PF, majority of us are independent’s who are just expressing our civic rights. If you are so concerned about violent demos why haven’t you provided civic education in the past to educate all zambians about their civic rights and how to express them in peaceful demos.But you have thrived on people’s ignorance and taken advantage of it. People are suffering and are hurting and need to express their frustrations. what you need to do is provide a conducive atmosphere in the country free of intimidation and bootlicking so that all zambians can provide their feedback on how the Govt is performing and you need to be seen responding positively with actions and not speeches.
111…You are more concerned with what imperialist media houses will say and not what solutions these rascals in power have for the people. In any case, what do you think they will say when hunger becomes REAL and people start dying?
#111. Whats your problem? So you dont want the whole world to know the truth. It will not be one PF cadre, but thousands of poor and hungry Zambians to stir up SOME STUFF (whatever you mean). Look around you my brother………things just aint ok. The world has to know the Zambian elections were rigged….AGAIN!!!!
#s 105 and 106…………..I’m game for the demo. Its taking too long.
#115. Sony Ericsson Phiri
DIALOGUE.
If that fails, maybe we can try your peaceful demo. But you are refusing dialogue.
Is a demo going to magically provide a surplus of maize even when Chituwo has told the FRA to offload more maize and is looking into importing more maize.
Is a demo going to magically force the maize prices down??
If so, then provide me a microeconomic model of how demos bring down prices.
Dialogue first, other solutions later on.
Hi folks, too much serious talks. Cheer up!!
A man walks into a bank and says he wants to borrow
$200 for six months. The loan officer asks him what
kind of collateral he has. The man says ‘I’ve got a
Rolls Royce — keep it until the loan is paid off
— here are the keys.’
Six months later the man comes into the bank, pays
back the $200 loan, plus $10 interest, and regains
possession of the Rolls Royce.
The loan officer asks him, ‘Sir, if I may ask, why
would a man who drives a Rolls Royce need to borrow
two hundred dollars?’
The man answers, ‘I had to go to Europe for six months,
and where else could I store a Rolls Royce for that
long for ten dollars?’
Zambians are not lazy they are hardworking it’s just that there are no systems in Zambia to utilize. How come the same Zambians work very hard abroad where there are proper systems in place .
Ba FMC #I20
Muyamba kukamba chizungu futi ati Dialogue. How do you dialogue when people are starving to death? Not everyone is as lucky as you to have three meals a day, ka? This is a serious issue. Dialogue? With who? have you had an opporytunity to look at their tummies?
Shikapwasha should just keep quiet because he doesnt buy mealie meal. He gets everything for free. All is almost set for the demo and anyone who is against it must be a very sleepy and coward person. Baby C, ichisungu ati shani? i want to be half as good as you.
#112
Moze is right. Twalibomba kale. We can even blog 24/7 non-stop! Now stop being childsh and get back to work or else you will be fired!!!
#118. Mukelabai & #119. SISTER
It is not about being worried about the “imperial media”. It is about the damage that will be done on the economy (long term effects).
You guys are always talking about investing in Tourism. If the western media makes a prime time show out of this, there will be no tourism to talk about.
I have told you, try dialogue and if that doesn’t work, then use other means. Millers are private institutions and a demo is not going to magically bring their costs of doing business down. We need to seat down, understand where the problem is and address it instead of going to the street in the hope for a miracle to happen.
120…Your ignorance of the Zambian political landscape and its complexity has shown that you left home way back. When did dialogue yield anything in Zambia? Try to study how politicians and you will think twice next time on your proposal.
#126 what form is this dialogue supposed to take when govt is threatening to “crush” everybody any time they say anything critical? Where is the space for dialogue there? dialogue is a 2-way process, not rubber-stamping or boot licking…
#123. Ba Moze
Chituwo has opened the door for people to offer suggestions to this problem. Has anyone taken that offer??? NO.
They are too busy thinking of demos which can spur out of control.
We have to think critically at this problem and see how we can solve it and also see what the govt is doing about it and also take every opportunity they offer to us to give suggestions on how to solve the problem.
Mind you Kenya didn’t happen a long time ago. They wanted Raila, now tell me, are the out of the slumps of Nairobi??, has the cake been shared??
What suffered, the Kenyan economy and image.
Long term effects are hard to fix my bro.
Free market capitalist
You are indeed a capitalist with no heart. Dialogue? Are you aware about what you are saying? Just how do you dialogue with thieves? With Crooks? With selfish people?
Dialogue? That time is long gone my dear. Dont let the west corrupt you. You are watching too much CNN you cant see whats happening in your own backyard.
You need to define what you mean by dialogue, we don’t want workshops and more allowances paid. How many dialogues have been held in zambia and what have been the results, speeches and expenses. Why is the Govt not implementing their Election manifesto. If they cannot step up to the challenge and handle the pressure let them resign honourably and let other competent people who have solutions manage Zambia’s resources. This dialogue that they keep talking about, have they run out of ideas, they were campaigning that they were capable so let them sort out the country’s many problems, we don’t want excuses for failure.
#127. Mukelabai
“When did dialogue yield anything in Zambia?”
When have you ever tried it??
Iwe Shakanpuno,, u guys have oredy messed up the country. Stop bringing ur dirty political tricks and manipulations mu church or else weiyesako waufwa??? Iwe u can afford to keep quiet coz ur children are well fed by the taxis collectors money.
U wat pipo to kip quiet so dat bafyee nensala?? this like you telling a hungry Lion to stop roaring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /:)
126…Which tourism will thrive in an environment where people are all bones? Have you ever seen a tourist in Ethiopia? Or you want crime to go high so that tourists are robed whilst sigh seeing at the Vic Falls like in RSA, where they are afraid to go on Table Mountain? Be practical and realistic.
#130 Babie
“Are you aware about what you are saying? Just how do you dialogue with thieves? With Crooks? With selfish people?
Dialogue? That time is long gone my dear.”
If that is your idea of dialogue (attacks), I now see why it has not yielded any fruit.
#135 describe your vision of the exact format for the dialogue pliz…
Maybe thats the problem, because you keep thinking Kenya is zambia. Contrally to your assesment we are very different. Tell me when Dialogue ever yeilded anything positive for the common man in this country?
Some people need pressure to see the light of day. Pressue ended the one party state. Pressure stopped the third term bid and pressure (peaceful Demos) will open these characters’ eyes. there are no two ways about it………..unfortunately.
Rashid Jones
Welcome back! How are you??? Sort out this # 112 before you go any further..
Free Market Capitalist
Give me atleast five different examples, were a crisis was solved through dialogue… (locally)
#134. Mukelabai
The tourism that is currently thriving right now in Zambia. Livingstone has seen a 54% increase in infrastructure development. Zambia is expecting 1 million plus tourists by the end of next year (the first time in Zambia history). Lodges, Hotels and backpackers are sometimes fully booked. People that visit livingstone never regret.
Second thing I want to say is what makes you think the govt is not trying to address the issue?? Aren’t they importing more maize?? Haven’t they opened the door to dialogue?? Aren’t they encouraging people to grow more food?? Didn’t they start the FSP??
132…Come back home and understand the complexity of the current Zambian politicians. Are you not aware of the several dialogue processes organised by the Church before that have ended into deadlocks? Do you want me to educate you on past events? If so then drop your line of argument because arguing as uninformed as you are on Zambian matters is a waste of time and effort. Go read first on Zambian current affairs and then come back to this blog.
Ba Moze
Amen!
As for tourism ,already the few tourists who have been to zambia already know that zambia’s resources have been missapropriated, under utilized and that the country is dirty because there is no real investment in this industry. Have you read their reviews, you think Zambian’s are happy for losing opportunities and foreign exchange because of lack of investment in this critical sector. Even tourists will be happy that zambians are exercising their rights and holding their leaders accountable by the change they will see when Govt will be on their feet and start to perform..
😮 ba Shikapwasha, ichi mona ubukulu? you’re the real akulu mphuno…!
Free Market capitalist
Just hold on. You are talking of a FSP which is non existent. ..Incidentally, are we in the same country? I doubt it.
#140. Mukelabai
I will give you an analogy.
There was once a riot at one of the smelters at Chambishi. They destroyed property and assaulted some of the managers. What resulted, did they get their pay rise??? NO.
What did they get instead, a BOOT.
At another firm, there was a Union that was negotiating pay increases for the workers and guess what, they got them. No one got fired, no property destroyed. Just hardcore negotiations, exchanging of ideas and various suggestions.
Thanks baby C
#139 I don’t know where you get your rose-tinted spectacles from, 1 million tourists next year? Where does that number come from, one of these Nigerian prophets?
#137. Ba Moze
Zambia and Kenya are very similar. Kenya was once a very peaceful country and boom, the whole image and economy shattered over a Raila Odinga.
My question to answer your question is when have you ever tried dialogue in Zambia??
139…You are a paid assassin. You want to defend the indefensible. Taking pride in other people’s suffering. No body has ever benefited by sucking other people’s blood. Your day is near! And what makes you who is in far off lands think that they are doing something to address the problem? Opened door for dialogue with a tongue in the cheek. Be real.
contd,Solutions that should go hand in hand with the peaceful demos are :
1.The Mp’s and leaders need to reduce the salaries they have just raised and scrap off all allowances because they are paid salaries to work . They need to reduce their income to what the suffering zambian is getting so that they understand the situation on the ground.
2. The MP’s and all Govt leaders need to stop going abroad for medical treatment and experience what the common man is facing in the dilapidated Hospitals. They also should stop sending their children abroad for education, they need to face the Zambian education system, they need to lead by example.
#147. Sony Ericsson Phiri
If you take the time to read the papers, you will know that Zambia had 800,000+ tourists this year and (Im not sure if it is the mayor or DM or some govt official) was thanking the business owners of livingstone for the infrastructure development that took place in livingstone and that they where expecting about 1 million tourists by the end of next year.
There where also talks of extending the livingstone airport.
148…Hope you are not just arguing for the sake of it or to pass time because I for one has no time for such irrational and inconsiderate minds. Thank You.
Dialogue, dialogue, dialogue when things are moving from worse to worst. What is there to dialogue about? Its high time people become serious and do what is right for Zambia. Free-Market-Capitlst, you write very good english but your understanding of issues and the approach should change. [-x
#151 FMC, that was our useless Tourist Board talking, it’s a wild exaggeration
It is important that we look at issues from a rational point of view.
While I admit that govt may not doing enough to address the issues of commodity prices, i do not believe that calling for a demos at this time without suggesting any possible solution or workable plans to them.
We need an opposition that will understand that they are their to provide alternative leadership, and not just opposing. They must begin to show us that they can offer solutions before we can pick on them as alternative leaders in future. Otherwise we do not want to jump from the pot to the fire itself in 2011.
And as citizens we should be careful not to think those making much noise in opposition are saviour.
3. Competent, performing people with proven track records need to be manage the resources of this country and turn around Zambia’s economy in the midst of the global economic crisis just like developed countries are putting measures.
4. The wealth of Zambia which has been missapropriated to be returned.
5 Provide a conducive environment to receive feedback from the Zambian citizens which is free of intimidation or bootlicking on how the Govt is performing.
The so called ‘dialogue’ is a ploy by the MMD 2 buy time. We do not have that luxury & we wont give them that. Peaciful demostrations r possible as long as the police &/or the army do not show up with their guns & sticks. They r the ones that will stirl up trouble. Otherwise Sata & the PF r really peaciful. In the civilised world, demostrations of millions of people do take place without any trouble at all. Anarchists too do participate in the these demos.The secret is simply that uniformed police r nowhere to be seen. We can have them in civilian clothing no problem. But once the destrators see police uniform, know there will be trouble.
#149. Mukelabai
“You are a paid assassin. You want to defend the indefensible. Taking pride in other people’s suffering.”
Since when did I become a paid assassin?? I do not take such statements likely and I want you to provide proof that I am a paid assassin.
Just because I do not agree with demos (which can have long term negative effects if they sparrow out control) does not mean I take pride in other people’s suffering.
I do not like such redundant asinine statements.
=d>8->8-x3:-o
Free market capitalist
Thats a blue lie
Kenya has never been as peaceful as Zambia! I stayed there for 10 years!
Fmc
Unless we are not on the same page. this is the same govt which has never ever wanted to listen to advice given to them by other people. Its always about them. This constitution thing and the money they are stealing in broad day light. And you say dialogue has never been tried? Shocking, to say the least.
#154. Sony Ericsson Phiri
If it was an exaggeration, can you provide proof to counter it??
And if it is an exaggeration, why would they inflate the numbers??
And also if it is an exaggeration, wouldn’t tour operators have run out of business by now??
Shikapwasha mudala, zip it. people are starving and u are still assessing situation, when will you find a resolve, when they have died? what is this thug referring to the bible for, what about the millions that you have decided to give yourselves, they weren’t even thinking about the masses.
so no fertilizer relief, escalating mealie meal prices and hunger according to him should be biblical..very christian indeed?!!Christianity 😮
#162 they inflate the numbers to create the impression that they are performing their duties well (i.e. marketing Zambia abroad). Myself living here I still have to explain to people where Zambia is. They have never even heard of it 80% of the time
And no I don’t have any proof
FMC
Waona manje. Baby C has just refuted what you said about some country being peaceful. thats what i meant. You are too corrupted with the west, yet reality is just in front of you? Kenya peaceful? Similar? Iyo nakana boss.
One of the bloggers here , has always pretended to be non zambian , but seems to be talking mealie -meal politics and about shikapwasha -i wonder!
Those who believe in Demos, what do you think the demo should do for you better that what sharing of ideas and planing through dialogue can do?
You must understand that an economic crisis needs putting ideas on the table and planing. If resources are not enough, what will happen is that when you demo on food for example, the gvt can be forced to shift resources to that area causing deficit in another area which you will think needs another demo. At the end of the day you will just make the situation more desparate, because people will withhold investment where there is unrest, and gvt revenues will dwindle even more. You now think of alternative govt in your desparate period.
Guy and Dolls, I think you are getting FMC point, Ba Sata has refused to sit around the table and dialogue. Why doesn’t he give it a chance, there is no guarantee these demos will be peaceful looking at whose in the forefront. I don’t support PF but I am affected by the crisis so are by clansmen all over Zed but sure do you want to lose the little that we have achieved. Is it not possible for the opposition to offer solutions and if GRZ fails then we can point a finger at them for failing to heed. ARE DEMOS GOING TO WISH THE CRISIS AWAY AND WHO BENEFITS IF THE COUNTRY IS ON FIRE??????? Its not being a prophet of doom but these demos will spark fire!!!!!!!!!
:-h must get back to work
#164. Sony Ericsson Phiri
It is a shame there. But here the numbers of people knowing about Zambia are growing (true story). Whenever they ask me where I am from and I tell them, some tell me, “I was there last year”. Others tell me, “I will be going there in July”.
Plus if you analyze 800,000 to a combined population of the EU, Australia and North Ameria then you will realize that 800,000 is a small number.
It is very possible. Not only the British go to Zambia.
#166. Ba Moze
Before the riots, Kenya was considered a peaceful country.
People would not have been going to Kenya if they didn’t consider it peaceful.
#21. comedian of the century with an airbag for a brain :))
FMC
Belive it or not but people still go to Zimbabawe even now? Whats your point?
#167 i feel u on that one. and if you have been closely following the sell out, he/she uses vocab synonymous to a typical zedian.
#166. Ba Moze
I am sorry to say but Baby C is one of the bloggers here I do not take seriously. Her style is childish to say the least.
I have never seen her offer any solutions to the problems Zambia is facing, never seen her discuss the problems, never seen her offer an analysis to a problem.
I have only seen her come to ATTACK (not criticize) the govt. I am not a big fan of the govt but if they do a good thing, then I must acknowledge it. Baby C will never do that. She will always attack even in places where there is no need for an attack.
Just my observation.
21..why PF not your MMD with president RB ringing too much
#171 I think it would be a simple matter of counting the tourist visas (and subtracting those issued for people visiting relatives etc.). I do agree with you it’s a very small number. Another way would be to look at the number of beds available and multiply it by 365 (to get the actual maximum possible number). Anyway it is off topic
#174. Ba Moze
Well you also have to look at the volume of the people going there.
People still go to Sudan but is it peaceful and what is the volume of the people going there??
What is the volume of the people going to Sudan in comparison with Egypt??
# 169 (to read) Guys and Dolls, I think you are not getting FMC’s point……..
TYRA, Im one of the bloggers who is not Zambian but i have stayed in Zed from the age of 4 (four) years up to now 27 years, I enjoy nshima so much, besides i feel bad when i look at the poverty that the majority of Zambians are going through.We foreigners too care about the economy of Zambia because we have invested so much.
FMC
Like i said, you are entitled to make opinions. Such is life.
Coming back to the topic at hand, this govt is taking us for a ride because we are peaceful. It takes one match to light up a barn yard, Yes?
#179 FMC I would be willing to bet you that Kenya is still getting more tourists than Zed, despite the violence. They are aiming for 3.6 million by 2012
Tula Twabane don’t even go any further. you have embarrassed yourself enough, firstly by failing to express yourself eloquently and secondly by providing pathetic analysis and boot licking skills.
there is no need to even answer you mudala, just read again what you typed and think long and hard of what you wrote. if you find nothing wrong then … :-t:-t
#183. Sony Ericsson Phiri
Yes that is true but the election riots caused a lot of business owners to declare their profit bringing assets as sunk costs.
People’s businesses where destroyed and they lost their income. And for what, Raila Odinga??
It is true that Kenya is aiming for 3.6 million. I applaud them for that. So tell me, why is it impossible for Zambia to have 800,000+ tourists and expecting 1 million+ tourists by the end of next year??
Free market capitalist
I ve only told you the truth. The problem with you is, you want everybody to support your comments. If not, you call them names.
Look at me that way but hey, there some bloggers here who value every contribution i make. True you are one of the few people who dont like me whatsoever, but your attacks are uncalled for.
LT is also about fun. You are ever serious. Your face is always gloomy, day in day out!
#185 FMC OK let us remain off topic… Reasons why the Tourist Board is being optimistic:
1. Flights to Kenya are much cheaper
2. Kenya has vastly more developed tourist infrastructure in place
3. The number of places for tourists to physically stay in Zambia is severely limited – e.g. South Luangwa National Park, once all beds are full, cannot accomodate any further tourists because the infrastructure is non-existent
Should I go on..?
Baby C :d/
relax dear. am sure FMC means no harm. after all, its only an opinion at the end of the day.
Come on guys, lets lighten up.
You’re right Baby C there is also fun. There is a certain blogger commenting the other day saying he doesn’t like jokes and he doesn’t like beer. Don’t you think that’s strange for a Zambian?
:d
I have followed Mpangula mputyu’s comments very very closely. Big up man. Your No.#6 comments spot on like many before this.You have critically always analysed issues. There are also some good stuff from other pipo as well. To those Bloggers that just want to defend the indefendible. Well I pity You. The issue is even during liberation struggle for independence sellouts where there, so I understand u. sellout is the 1st or oldest proffession (followed by )prostitution.
#187. Sony Ericsson Phiri
True flights to Kenya are cheaper and there is more infrastructure in Kenya.
But what I remember is the organ. in charge of airports wants to extend livingstone airport. That tells me airport traffic in livingstone is set to increase and extending the airport is infrastructure development because it will lead to direct flights thereby leading to cheaper airfares.
I remember reading about how hotels, lodges and backpackers have been fully booked in livingstone. That tells me tourism traffic is also on the rise. I also remember reading an article about govt partnering with private stake holders to build a hotel in livingstone and there was also an issue [tbc
when will the military take over? this minions are stikll plundering.:-?:-w/:)
#192 the backpackers were full? So what, that’s maybe 60 people
Baby C how are you Babie?
cont from #192]
with the Environmental Commission of Zambia with one of the developers about the hotel they proposed to build and the effect it will have on the environment. Also a sign that Tourism traffic is rising.
They would not invest in Livingstone if tourism traffic is low. Tourism traffic is on a rise and so investors are investing. I also remember sometime back that an arab company wanted to build a 3 star hotel in livingstone (not really sure on that story so I wouldn’t take it as fact).
[-x rupiah and his people have gone too far.
#194. Sony Ericsson Phiri
“#192 the backpackers were full? So what, that’s maybe 60 people”
That’s a sign that there was no accommodation available and people had to resort to checking in at the backpackers.
Can you explain to me why investment in livingstone is on the rise??
Baby C 😡
Ba Moze
He called me “childish” am not too happy on that one! Ba
Moze,did i error when i disputed his claims??? No! thats unacceptable!If he thinks he is too intellgent and cant share the same platform with childish bloggers like me, let him try Executive Issues! its for people like him!!!
HI peace
Mwatusanga fye tulelandauka! awe mwandi
#198 you seem to rely on hearsay and/or MMD propaganda about their “good policies”. The last I heard investment was frozen solid due to the credit crunch etc…
hi baby c :-h
Baby C
I have never known you to lose your cool. relax dear. all is well. Meanwhile, who is this Chap Peace who has a severe case of Crush on you?
#202. Sony Ericsson Phiri
“#198 you seem to rely on hearsay and/or MMD propaganda about their “good policies”. The last I heard investment was frozen solid due to the credit crunch”
It is true the credit crunch has affected the whole global economy. But the fact remains that investment in livingstone was on the rise and if tourism traffic becomes even greater next year, investment will increase with it.
I do not rely on “hearsay”, I just read what is reported and as far as I am concerned, no one has provided counter figures to debunk the MMD’s data. I am open to counter claims as long as there is data to back it up.
Africa (DBSA) is set to invest US$9.5 million towards the revamping of the four-star David Livingstone Hotel in Livingstone, along Zambia’s Zambezi River.
The initiative forms part of the Bank’s drive to increase the capacity of the Zambian tourism industry and to promote greater participation of domestic tourism, the DBSA said in statement on Thursday.
According to DBSA’s investment officer on the project, Zodwa Lekubu, the Bank’s investment support for the project is split into two components.
The first component, a loan of $8 million to the project, The Waterfront Limited, will finance the expansion of the David Livingstone Safari Lodge.
This includes the construction of a four-star hotel with 72 rooms, main public areas and a swimming pool.
[eprop . co . za / news / article . aspx?idArticle=8792]
That is just the few projects going on in livingstone.
FMC
With due respect my brother, but just how does that investment help my granmother in Chipata?
Baby C your comments today have been very interesting. 😡
#209 Ba Moze
That investment will only add to Zambia’s GDP. Your grandma in Chipata cannot benefit from that investment.
She can benefit from investment in Cotton, Tea, Maize, etc because that seems like a more feasible investment in the eastern province.
sure FMC there are moves to increase capacity, that’s good… but it hasn’t been done yet, only said
As much as dialogue, demonstrations are very much part and parcel of any genuine democracy. If people are not satisfied with the way our country is being managed, they have every democratic right to air their views and grievances even through demonstrations.The problem is that our new “managers” are scared of being criticised. Let the govt not just go on feeding the nation on empty words, it’s time they fed the people in a tangible manner; time to take action is now! 😮
What dialogue are you talking about some of you here? The mmd doesnt listen to what the opposition is saying.For example they have been adviced never to allocate such colosal sums of money to the NCC,but they didnt listen.With problems such as the credit crunch that has hit even big economies of the world,Sata and HH putting this into consideration,they did advice these character never to increase their Salaries,but they went ahead and increased. How do you dialogue with people who dont listen. The best is demonstrating. And you Shikapwasha,i have read the bible from Genesis to Revelation.The bible does not promote oppression,dictatorial tendancense or exploitation.When things went wrong Jesus voiced out on behalf of the poor. The pharisees did not like him because he spoke strongly against their leadership style. Fine,demonstrations will help because the messge will get to the finished,non functional,old and tired medula oblangaters of the mmd government leadership.Then they wil know that people are sad.
#212. Sony Ericsson Phiri
You cannot expect cold turkey type of investments. Investment takes a while as there are a lot of things involved.
I have to go now.
Good day bloggers. :)>-
Ba Chewe How are you my dear,Please dont talk pabushimbe today,coz most of us we are victims.muletumweneshamo.
Chewe, Tell them my brother, more especially fine and FMC. they pretend to be comfortable when alot of Zambians are going through hell.
Baby C….cheer up
We love your contributions. ;);)
Matworld-Nice guy!, my bro why should you be a victim of ubushimbe when there are so many single beautiful women like sarah Jones, Baby C, Racheal, miss prety, Babie etc. Just hook up with one man cause you are missing alot in women.
Good afternoon everyone. Who will be intimidated by such words from Mr. Shikapwasha? Not me. I know very well that the Bible commands obedience, but it is also very clear when it comes to resisting opression. Just study the book of Daniel.
#216,Matworld Nice guy,am gud thanx.Today its serious business i wont talk about Ubushimbe.That was weekend so everyone was just talking about what ever came in his or her head. Diverting from the topic.Sarah Jones and Cutey were backbiting RB,s wife the whole day on this blog.Whilist taking Some red wine,Cutey got drunk am sure she is stil sleeping. They spoke a lot of ma elelevants. Even at school those were just noise makers.
# 160! I believe Baby C that you are right in your comment in regard to Kenya. I lived there for five years, and for sure Kenya has many internal problems. As a matter of fact, our Kenyan brothers and sisters are not as united as most of we Zambians are. Problems started with independence and the grabbing of the land by certain leaders political leaders. This problem and many others are still haunting the Kenyan community. Although Kaunda brainwashed us, he left us a united nation; we feel we are Zambians, and we belong together. This is for sure one important element that we need to treasure. Viva Zambia!
#219.Rashid jones.No manifesto matworld,But I know that iam missing out something.
hi baby c. 😡
Hi bro Rashid,am one those people who has been criticizing you. But now i understand you.Zambians these people take us for granted,because they know that we are cowards. No wonder they can intimidate us and do what ever they want because they know that,we cant do anything. All in the name of being peacefull. Violence is bad,but we have to be voicing out in a more agressive way than what is happening now.
#224 Peace
Uzativuta iwe lelo. Nakuona kudala.
#225 Anonymous
How can we not have problems? In Kenya, Kibaki was in cabinet when JF kennedy was President of the USA in I963. Today, 43 years later JFK is long gone, the Us has had 8 different Presidents since then. Now Kibaki is President. Kwaliba?
Here we have RB. How old is he? can a nation develope? [-x
Bro Rashid,am the one who posted on #225.I dont know why LT wrote anonymous even when i printed my name.
# 214! Mudala Chewe, walindako shani? Thanks for your contribution, my brother. I said something about DIALOGUE in # 213, and I appreciate your observation. For sure, dialogue cannot work if one of the parties comes to the discussion table with a hidden agenda; an open mind is a prerequisite. Our govt is a bit paranoid. If HH and Sata had listened to what many of us Zambians had shared on the issue of unity before elections, we wouldn’t be in this mess. But it seems our politicians have no ears. Enjoy the afternoon. I am now off.
Anonymous, thanks, I feel bad for the majority of Zambians but its people like FMC and Fine who are letting Zambia down. I dont know whether they have relatives or shares in the government. the situation is very bad in Zambia right now and i really dont know where we are heading to but i leave everything the Creator and I have hope that one day God will intervene and punish some of these corrupt people.
Chewe,ok man. Did youwatch your team(chelsea) yesterday? You need to pull up your socks man. We are lifting that trophy on sunday in Japan.
ba sushi ba mudala aba…4give him:)>-
Baby C #3 well spoken.. thats the best ans to the soyas talks.thx alot for that.
Peace, Please leave Baby C for Ba Moze in Peace. Baby C also please answer the brother, tell him that you are already taken because it seems he has so much hope in you.
eish guys! No comment today this topic has gotten so intense, i can’t even tell jokes today! But Baby C – girl pliz na papata don’t stress! We admire your passion, we need more people like you!! 😉
Tula Twabane sounds like Teta.
Sweet Thang welcome! I missed you.Naikosa lelo Baby c is upset please try to comfort her.I received insults during the weekend but I just ignored them.welcome back once again =d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>=d>
Sweet Thang
Takuweme lelo. Nazanda Baby C. I have tried but she wont respond. Help please. ^:)^
:-??Iyo kwena ba Peace #224, you’ve campaigned to get Baby C’s attention. You probably have a hard on as we speak! chill dude, have u even seen her picture 4 u to be getting a ka hard on unnecessarily? Baby C, kindly respond to this ‘sprung’ individual & give his stiffy a rest!
Sony Ericcson Phiri
Ma contribution yako yali zee. Yalibe na kumutu
@Fine and Free Market Capitalist
What is it about the concept of peaceful demonstrations and the right for people to hold your govt. to account are you opposed too?? How selfish must you be as a individual to deny your suffering ( cause they are) and poor country men and women their right to execise their democratic rights? People wouldnt complain if there was nothing wrong, just because you are benifitting from MMD does not give you the authority to label those who arent’ kabovas and such! you need to check yourselves beofre you wreck yourselves!
Personally, am and tired of both this story and especially the picture of the Lt. Gen Rev Shika Mpuno. Can LT give us a break?
Matworld and Ba Moze!! You guys are too kind! I’ll try my best with Baby C!! keep sending her notes! I’m sure she’s just gone to cool off! some of these comments! Awe Shuwa!!
Bro Rashid i watched my team. But i was disappointed we drew with west Ham.We had an opportunity to get on top of the table.But our striking force was a bit blant,my Drogba and Kalu could not score.
This’ govnt of shallow mindedness.No vision,no strategy,no direction,no leadership….wat these doing ??? they will be caught napping and problems engulf the country.
yes i did baby c
Banda was having an affair with the woman, Sophia,
from next door.
One Friday morning he lies to his wife he is going to
Mongu for a seminar.
He packs his laptop and bags and tells his wife she
won’t find him when she comes back from work, and
slinks next door to Sophia’s house…
It’s now the following morning, saturday and he’s
smilling after a lovely night wit Sophia.
Wearing his gown, he goes to the bathroom and, to his
surprise…, through the window he sees a strangeman
walking around his own house wearing the other gown he
left at home…
This General Shikapwasha is surprising indeed. He was ordaining pastors and instead of concentrating on that he talks about demos pertaining to the high price of mealie meal. What is he and his government afraid of? Suddenly every minister is on a crusade against the planned demonstrations. You do not starve people and expect peace. The God whose name you are using in vain will deal with you, your fellow ministers and MPs harshly for your selfishness. I wish your punishment could come soon.
Through the Window, he screams: “Hey you!! What are
you doing in my house?!”
The man shouts back: “The man of this house is away in
Mongu as we speak…So, I am entertaining his
wife…So F*^k Off Okay!”
Banda shouts: You will be in sh*t when I come back
from Mongu, I warn You!”
Viva sweet Thang :)>-:)>-:)>-:)>-:)>-:)>-
Iwe Peace,can you leave my Baby C alone.You dont even know how to present the manifesto to a lady. Leave her alone! She is my everythng,of course She is not like my Jesus. But i love her!
Sweet thang
That tickled me silly :)):)):))
It was a silly one! let see.. cross over to mmd fact finding mission, i know baby C isn’t tryna come back in here 🙁
Shikapwasha afwile twamutoba amabwe nangu insapato kwati filya patobele chi munankwe ku Iraqi. Atase, mulemona kwati ichalo chonse tuli ma kristu mwa?
#221 Chewe, I am alive and well…… just nursing my hangover….
Hey Sarah Jones, where are you to rescue me from Chewe?? :-?:-?:-?:-?:-?:-?:-w:-w:-w:-w#:-s#:-s#:-s;;);;);;)
#240,Chi Golyati chali ba provocative! Leave my Sony Errickson alone.
Cutey.
achita chani Chewe? iwe you are married so uyu Chewe ni kumwibalako.
His now my brother. Niliku nchito.
#256, My Cutey girl how are you today?i knew that you have a hang over. Gud to hear from you,missed you so much.I tried to check on you but i could not find you anywhere. Kula sanga fye ifi bantu kwati Chi Golyati,who is provoking Sony Errickson. Here is a Snog Cutex,mwa!
sorry golyati I was busy iwe chi 8-x
# 241! Wabombo, Miss President. Ukulanda, kwisha mweo. Demos or no demos, Zambia is our precious country; it does not belong to Gen. Shikapwasha alone. Viva, Miss President. 😉
Hello Sony Ericsson Phiri, Baby C, Ba Moze hello!
Blimey! Just finished cleaning some white bottoms!
Ho Ho Ho!
I have missed chi Golyati and his fellow muppets.
HO HO HO
#258, Sarah Jones, well he is going to be my brother from now on. Am at work too….. :d/:d/
#259, ba Chewe imwe ba ndume yandi… ndifye wino… nimwapusukeni ku Wine nanwine mailo… :-?:-?:-?:-?
The Christian nation-tag has turned the nation into a docility mode such that even planners wait for divine intervention for things they should be planning for.
For too long Zambians have been manipulated and brainwashed into thinking that being vocal about grievances with the government is synonymous with anarchy and should therefore be avoided at all costs. Wasn’t it through peaceful demos made public on the international stage that we were able to qaush Chilubas ridiculous third term bid. One thing everyone should realise is RB and company do not care if Zambians quietly complain themselves to death. Sadly they do care about how the international/donor community perceives them because it has an impact on their ability to recieve the much prized handouts they get. If donors are not happy then the govt can expect little to no financial support
ku zed lwalikaba
You are trying too hard Ronnie. Is it your job you are worried about?
No. 18 I think you sound young and unexperienced in your propounce ideas! Please understand that the maize that was sold by the govt to malawi was grown by the zambians. even the little food that is remaining in national basket has been produced by the zambians themselves… we were told of bumper harvest, and yet a lot of our food was exported to malawi and other hungry nations… Think before you speak!!! it is not wise to comment on what you do not know. and lastly, zambians are hard working people, but the govt lack good policies in agriculture…(prices of commodities are high); and less products are sold at cheaper prices and the govt sells are high prices.
Johua + Battle of Jerico = Freedom $-)
Kaunda, nkumbula, Chona, kapwepwe = Cha cha cha = Zambia
Mandela + Mkonto wasizye = independent RSA
M R King JR + Civil rights marches = Obama.
It follows that Kaponya + peaceful demo & a bit of anarchy = cheap Mugaiwa. No? Very Biblical=:)
Free market why are you so negative about PF or Sata? During the just ended elections you were against PF and said alot of bad things.
Pf never started the Kitwe riot, it was your unpopular govt that caused arch by arresting the Catholic priest who is too popular for saying the truth. Secondly you are lucky you can afford three meals in a day because you are not in Zambia to feel the pain and hardship people are going through. Maybe you don’t have relatives to tell you that for three days they had only one meal. It is a shame for pipo like you to think demo is bad. you need facts Ngwembe pipo are starving whether they belong to MMD, PF or UNDP. The sleeping govt need to woke up.
:(|)~o) Does anyone know whether our first lady Mrs Banda has set up an NGO as yet? Or is she still finishing secondary school :-$ ?
John the baptist protested against King Herold for marrying Herodias, Philip’s wife. There are numerous examples in the bible. Shikapwasha’s understanding of things is below average.
#273, no idea at all. Everyone is wondering as to what is going on with her. Probably busy attending the school Vera attended when she first went to State house… :-?:-?:-?:-?:-?:-?:-?:-?:-?:-?
Jesus was a rebel Zambian people do no listen to pharisees like this no good Bishop go and demonstrate
Jesus was a rebel Zambians do not listen to pharisees like this no good Bishop go and demonstrate **==**==**==**==
Wonderful points altogether, you just gained a new reader. What could you suggest about your publish that you just made some days in the past? Any positive?