Mr Sata who was speaking in an interview in Lusaka yesterday said there is still time before picking a presidential candidate.
He was commenting on UPND Namwala MP Robby Chizyuka’s statement that the PF-UPND pact should adopt UPND president Hakainde Hichilema as the presidential candidate for the 2011 general elections because he is a younger politician who has a heart for Zambia.
“Between now and 2011, anything can happen to both the young and the old,” Mr Sata said.
He said Major Chizyuka was not speaking on behalf of the UPND.
“Who is Chizyuka? He is just an MP. He is not speaking on behalf of UPND,” he said.
And Roan Member of Parliament Chishimba Kambwili has alleged that Namwala Member of Parliament Robby Chizyuka is being used to declare Mr Hichilema as the right candidate for the PF-UPND pact.
Mr Kambwili alleged that Major Chizyuka could be used by people who do not want the pact to work.
He said it is premature for people to start commenting on the one to field as a candidate for the 2011 elections.
Mr Kambwili said the pact has appointed a National Governing Council (NGC) which will choose the presidential candidate.
He however said Major Chizyuka is entitled to his own opinion.
And Mazabuka MP Garry Nkombo said both Mr Hichilema and Mr Sata are good enough for the job.
He said as members of the pact, they will support either of the two candidates to be picked by the NGC.
Mr Nkombo however said it is too early to start discussing issues of a presidential candidate for the pact.
“For the moment, we are faithful followers of the pact. Who becomes the candidate is not an issue at the moment. It may become an issue in future when the NGC meets to decide. So, there is no need for controversy and there is no reason for people to be anxious,” he said.
Mandevu MP Jean Kapata said it is not yet time to discuss who the candidate for the pact should be.[quote]
“We have just started this process, so, the UPND member of Parliament (Major Chizyuka) can’t say that. We have not reached that stage yet,” he said.
And Moomba MP Vitalis Mooya said it is better to leave the presidential candidate issue in the hands of the NGC.
“It is too early for that. What is important is for us to consolidate the pact,” he said.
Bweengwa MP Highvie Hamududu said the pact will choose a presidential candidate when the time is right.
[Zambia Daily Mail]
There we go. I wonder if Sata will accept to be led by HH, if things turned out that way in the pact
Forget about Chizyuka. He is expressing an opinion. Viva Pact!!!!!
These no potential president in any of the existing parties. Until you give us a better candidate stop even thinking of 2011….eish
In fact Chizyuka must just shut up! We have more pressing issues right now than discussing candidates. Doctors have also gone on strike. There is chaos in the country right now. The picture the post withheld showing a woman giving birth pa ma stairs is pitiful to say the least. She lost her baby because there was no one to attend to her. And Chi Chizyuka is talking of candidates? Ba noko kulu!!! (your grand-mother!!)
In short, what Mr. Sata might be trying to say is “I refuse to accept HH as the candidate of the pact, you must pick me Michael Chilufya Sata as the candidate of the pact”.
Just basing my opinion on Mr. Sata’s past behavior.
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Already started bickering.
I just hope the Cobra will not bite HH. I don’t trust Sata even ba nono.
Very true its too early.
If African politics will forever be based on greed, then even a pact such as this one cannot work. These conniving presidents should go through a democratic convention and let other party members field the candidate they think would win.
Great stuff from most speakers, but the Undereducate and MP Jean Kapata.The Undereducate PF leader Sata’s ““Who is Chizyuka? He is just an MP. He is not speaking on behalf of UPND,” he said” shows the whole world that he has not stopped undermining people especially respectable/honourable elected MPs in this case MP R. Chizyuka. I hope this statement is not implying that the Undereducate is undermining/demeaning president HH.
On ““We have just started this process, so, the UPND member of Parliament (Major Chizyuka) can’t say that. We have not reached that stage yet,” he said.” attributed to MP Kapata, MP R. Chizyuka has already said his personal opinion but MP Kapata who can’t understand is saying “he can’t say”.
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Oh crap! Here we go again. I was just regretting burning my voter’s card but now it seems i was right all along. As long as chimps like Chizuyka are involved, how can we win?! Sata is also not helping matters with such comments. Please people, get your act together!
hope the pact wont brake when the time to pick the presidential candidate comes.my opinon would be to let SATA rule for the first five years and then give it to HH to pick up from their.
People give them time. If you rush things we may end up with MMD forever. Take time, go over all details no matter how small. In the end you will either agree to agree or agree to disagree. DONT RUSH THEM. This ishow MMD ended up with FTJ because of doing things for the sake of expidience.
On “Mr Kambwili said the pact has appointed a National Governing Council (NGC) which will choose the presidential candidate“, if this is true then there will be no progress at all. For how can a 9 PF 9 UPND – 18 member NGC choose one candidate when all have an interest of supporting their party president.
My proposal is let the NGC do the work of harnessing the PACT, while grassroot members do the voting of the presidential candidate in provincial conventions to be held in all provincial headquaters between January and June 2011. This will mean that a few members will not be responsible for the failure of the presidential candidate but the party members who will vote. If things go bad one party can pull out of new formed GRZ.
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The fact is HH cant win presidential elections on his own.I agree with 12 besides SATA is oready old,give him the first 5years. Ba HH time and age is on your side just be strategic. As for chizyuka stop behaving like the Teta and Mulongoti of this world i.d.i.ot. Think before you open your mouth behaviour kwati ni mu barrack.
Banthu ba Mulungu, tiyeni tiyeseko kunkala bwino. The pact is good both the 2 leaders want to lead one of them has an advantage over the otherin 1 way or another. What do we do in such a case do we do some sort of a poll suggestion to help with who can be presido candidate. What can we do to help this pact? It t is the best idea so far but leadership izavuta. Suppose we say an independent guy/gal from these 2? Who then can it be. What qualification do they need to have. Zambia is a good country and with the right pipo in leadership, we will live to enjoy our country.
My proposal is best as NGC will not behave like the MMD’s NEC which did a good job for MMD to pick President RB Banda as their candidate, but terrible one for the Nation as the brother has failed to show is personal vision for the country.
Such is what you get when a select few of elites pick a candidate as opposed to using proper democracy where primaries are held across the whole country with party members casting their votes to choose the presidential nominee.
All PACT people, let us show the whole world that we can do things the advanced US democracy way and even better. Indeed provincial HQ held primary elections conventions will be expensive, but these will be better than behaving as if the PACT is a monarch where bloodlines rules.
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From the 2008 elections results by ECZ National by Constituency, here is what I have compiled so far:
Western Province:
RBB/MMD HH/UPND MCS/PF GM/HP
Votes 81993 24723 11891 1299
% votes 68.38 20.62 9.92 1.08
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Northern Province Results
Pol. Party MMD/RBB UPND/HH PF/MCS HP/Br.G. GM
Total Votes 67237 2660 134244 801 All Total 204942
Percentage 32.81 1.3 65.5 0.39
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North-western Province Results – ECZ 2008 Presidential Elections re-compiled by Maestro Hhe
Pol. Party MMD/RBB UPND/HH PF/MCS HP/Br.G. GM
Total Votes 59370 38265 4586 876 All Total= 103097
Percentage 57.59 37.12 4.45 0.85
It won`t work. Everybody wants their relative to lead. More cause for my president RB to relax. 2011 is done. Can`t wait to see what happens thereafter.
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The mighty Southern Province!
Southern Province 2008 presidential results
Party/Pres Cand MMD/RBB UPND/HH PF/MCS HP/BG GM
Totals 51550 180976 11866 3593
Percentage 20.79 72.98 4.78 1.45
I will put up the rest when I will finish doing the calculations. For now, I have to continue doing my school work.
Have a blessed day you all.
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Only time will tell. I thot there waz a restriction about the issuance of statements about the pact from both partiez unless it waz official?
Sata and HH please provide leadership and don’t hide in saying it is not time. When is it going to be the right time ? We need to know who will lead this pact so that we support it or not. I hope whoever will be chosen will be supported by both parties and you Sata also mind your language, waba shani kanshi chi mudala ?
This pact will work. Like it or not, it will work! Time is on our side…………………which side, thats the problem. Am confused!!!
With all the big egos in both parties, one can only see this being a waste oftime. Good for us though. Can`t wait for fights in this pact. Remember people where there is PF there is “war”. lol!
No.5 Chizyuka was categorical, I am making this in my personal view and not the party, this was in Livingstone. But the Daily Mail headed by Kantumoya (MMD Cadre) says HH must lead the pact – Chizyuka!!!! Malabishi
Some people on this blog make me laugh – ati Sata first five years and then HH after that? Surely HH is not that stupid? If Sata gets into plot one, do you really think we will be having such things as elections? Sata give up power voluntarily after one term? Am falling off my chair
“Between now and 2011, anything can happen to both the young and the old”,wasup sata?,That aint wisdom big man.So this means that you have to wait for a day before the election day to nominate your presidential candidate..hmmmmm,crazy ideas.
Sata should be president otherwise HH will never make it,no matter how had he tries.He aint popular after all,he is 3rd everytime.He can be the vice president ready to take over when the big man KING COBRA aint around.VIVA KING COBRA
Does anybody surely believe that Micheal Chilufya Sata would voluntarily give up power after one term? Mr third term himself? I hope HH is not that stupid. If Sata becomes president we can forget about elections because they aint happening until the mudala dies
CHINENA!!!! hahaha, is it your real name??? Anyway i agree with you Chizyuka was just expressing his personnal views.
If you have to kill a snake, kill it once and for all,other wise it will rise and bite you,MMD Prepare for the deadly Vernom,MMD is history.
I agree with you #4 Knowing ‘King Cobra’ he is just saying it is too early for him to be picked as presidential candidate but whenever the pact does pick anyone it must be him.Check his past tracks…
Which ever way the pact goes, it won`t succeed. Satana is a big threat to Zambia, HH will not be popular with most people. Viva RB.
The snake sheds its skin with impunity, this is the only way it revives itself,it never loses energy nor focus no matter how hard you try to deter it,but for sure it will one day bite.
For sure it is too early for Robby Chizyuka (MP) to start making such comments. If you people want this pact to work, please i beg you, dont make any comments to the press regarding the pact issue. when you are asked for a comment on this issue its better not to make one, because your comments will breed divisions in the pact.
i wonder why you even bother when you know very well that ba kamushi will Vote for Muntu Meat Denkede (MMD)
This is the begininig of the small CRACK in the pact wall. We shall wait and see. Viva Katele
Chizyuka is being used by the self-confessed drug trafficker
If the people in UPND are going to sleep and believe what sata is saying then you are in for a big funeral.you will realise when it is too late.if both parties are honest with each other why not mention the candidate now.
#29, I love my name LOL ha ha ha! Anyhow not all people are trained in how to handle the press and the press can corner you, look this pact is less than two weeks old, they have an 18 person council that is looking into issues of press liaison and believe me the ‘public press’ that is if there is even any public press in this country, will be looking for ways to prop their candidate, unfortunately history does not favour the pact just like it did not favour Mandela at the time just like history did not favour Obama, but guess what history is there to be challenged and made!
Ehhheh! ala mwandi,
batampa ukusabaila nomba!
fili eko tuleya!
If you want election results since 2001, get me in [email protected] and I will send you the results for your analysis.
you want results for elections get me on gezzyian(at)yahoo.com
Is tht a mould snake (cobra) on Mr.Satas table?
Major Chizyuka is anti-development and is being forced or induced to speak like that. VIVA the PACT. The governig Council is there to determine who will battle it out with VASCO DA BANDA at the right time.
Those who are saying that Sata should be president first and then HH later are making me laugh. Surely if HH is that stupid then he certainly does not deserve to be president ever!
Do you think that Micheal Chilufya Sata would voluntarily give up power and will there be quaint little things such as elections?
#4 Free-Market-Economist
That was my first thoughts as well
#12. You are very right. If both sides want it to work smoothly, balancing the issue would be the best thing for both parties. Biologically, and logically Sata’s days are nearing end. Giving him chance to perform what he has allalong being working for (sweep the house clean, modernising Zambia, a crude oil pipeline from Angola, etc), all his life would only be fair for the man who has always spoken for the citizens. HH, has many years to rule Zambia after Sata because of his biological age, and the fact that when PF/UPND wins the 2011 elections that will be the end of MMD/UNIP. But as Sata and others have voiced, let the council do its homework.
#44 Graphics at work.
The English say “Speed Kills”, The Swahili say “Polepole ndiyo Mwendo”, Ngonis say “Kuona maso yonkhono nikudekha”, all meaning one thing. Patience Pays.
PF and UPND have to go it very slowly, but surely, if they have to consolidate the PACT. They need time to bring around their respective membership bases to identify with and associate with the PACT. Then only will it be any meaningful to consider adopting a Presidential candidate who will be acceptable to all members. That is what will win the PACT the 2011 elections. If they rush now to adopt a candidate, they will loose the steam and render the whole excercise futile.
The likes of Major Chizyuka who are suggesting that a candidate be adopted so soon are, but enemies of the PACT, who are clearly bent on distabilisisng the…
On #49, I meant to say #13. Pardon me.
I mean # 46 not #44
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………. progressive union for ulterior motives. Enemies of the pact will go to any length to sow seeds of discontent and would be very glad to see the pact disintegrate and fail.
So please allow the PACT to consolidate before talking about who should be the presidential candidate.
Its true its too early, no need to make rushed decisions. we need to wish this pact the best this govt is useless people are dying and the Mr. Tourist is busy touring no wonder hes got a knee injury moving too much
#53 naine naiona ija, that is a table or mould or artwork indeed. ha ha ha ikali ilya ninshi banda akwata yamusango shani!
I have noted that my sister nowadays moves with a big handbag as compared to early 80s. Help?
#16, pardon chizyuka. Mind you our so called generals are mostly not educated. So, if one wasn’t naturally intellegent or wise those are the premature comments you get from them. Just as well Zambia never fought any serious war. Can you imagine war with such generals?
#58, Sorry but these bags are also wardrobes, mobile clinics and weapon holsters, ka.
I have always been anti Sata but after seeing what Nyama soya is doing I am a born again Sata follower. Even before this pact was agreed upon, my wish was to see Sata and HH work together. In as much as I want HH to be the leader, I believe that if adopted as candidate, he will not get enough votes to beat Nyama soya. Let the pact use Sata as presidential candidate as he is more influential and has more support. In addition it will appear UPND is selfish because they have had support from other parties before and their president stood as a candidate. Let UPND now support PF. Sata has very good intentions and he will surely help HH or someone else from UPND to be president next time.Major Chizyuka hates Sata and may not be in support of the pact by two parties.
It is not too early…….the truth of the matter is that Sata has haboured alot on aspiring to plot 1.
#61 agreed with you, I am UPND sympathiser, and the logical thing to do is that Sata will be an easy sell, and like someone said this man has been parroting implementing the vission 2030 so that it is realised in 2020, so within 9 years he should be able to get things going, for HH in 2016 even 2021, at this point I think Mwadya Mweka Daddy should leave!
#48 you are right, people are dreaming. People don’t know MCS. It was a relief when he left MMD. As KK once said this man should never be brought anywhere near the corridors of power and if HH agree to be ruled by him, I will certainly question the bolts holding HH’s brain in his head. Sata is a snake and shrewed fellow. He knows the only way to get Southern province is to get HH on board.
Anyway this PACT is going nowhere and these are the signs of the huge cracks to follow. Who can’t use the words agreement, pact and sata in the same sentence. Just does not make sense. These people will be fighting all the way into the election . Anyway good luck..2011 MMD 80% landslide victory. Thanks the opposition for helping us.
Major Chizyuka is not being used that is a fact. We cant wait until 2011 to kow is going to lead the pact a presidentail candidate for 2011. The truth of the matter is if not handled properly the pact is as good as dead wood. Sata cannot give chance to HH. He is so determined. If the PF/UPND are serious with what they are saying then its better for Sata to go for Presidency then HH automatically becomes VEEP and after one term Sata gives way to HH. But given the likes Charlie K, Rich K etc one hand Garry N, Rich C etc on the other there is a likelihood of the pact not working. The MMD agents the state inclusive will work 25hrs a day to ensure that the pact does not work. Parties to the pact and general membership should be careful coz MMD will find every chance to distalblize the pact.
So you mean,you want to surprise us at the eleveth hour by imposing the presidential candidate? PF/UPND PACT presidential candidate is the core thing before signing the pack.Bound to flop,because SATA is too selfish and won’t to allow to be lead.
I agree totally that Sata should start first also we are looking at his popularity. then later he can groom HH and slowly and hopefully the tribal issue will be overlooked. This should be a written agreement so that no one can change anything. otherwise bane we should forget getting MMD out of power if u start looking at who u like. face facts PF is more popular they just need the support of Sourthen province to scoop. also HH is an intellectual and perfect candidate of them all but tribalism in Zambia kills him so lets use Sata to unite the supporters. from now on all supporters of UPND and PF unite and be one. or forget ever going to state house. which is better? to be petty and be ruled by this govt whose interests are just selfish? mu crisis the president is touring
I will be just watching from my back yard.The problem with this pact is all the leaders have need for Power as Maclalland puts it in under motivation theories.
#3o, Ghost Dog, I totally agree with your contributions. Especially, the comment on #30. Whether one likes it or not Sata is very popular and not for nothing. He is a performer. Let him politically school HH. Even if Sata lives for the next 10 years, he wont have energy to work. Even himself would rather he retires and rest. Please, let this pact work. I want to come home. I have been away for too long. Age can’t rule Zambia. What Sata said was right. Anything can happen to the young as well as old. Who was younger? Sata or Levy? Who did Levy fear the most and why? Performance.
Ba Sata na Cobra pa Table….eish!!
Ba LT you surprise me mwandini.Iam one of the persons who have never used strong languege on your site but you always want to moderate my comments why? What is wrong with my comment above? Do whatever you want after all its your site.
Space Physicist Maestro Hhehhehhehhe – mulombe uuzwidda-kumusanza
My brother, Your argument with other bloggers over the 2006 and 2008 election results look very misplaced to me. That is a matter already concluded and the results were made public by the ECZ and they are readily available to any one who has any interest in them.
What I am failing to understand is where the problem is with you to accept what is already a settled matter.
Are you arguing as a way of testing your capacity to deceive and misinform in your training to succeed your “Uncle” VJ as master election dribbler and rigger. Tell us so that we start preparing.
CONTINUED.. Drawing from 2008 Presidential by election’s experience we got the impression that this time around the MMD will be kicked out of power alas all efforts by Super Ken for PF&UPND to field one candidate failed. The first person to walk outof the the meeting was King Cobra. So what has changed in King Cobra’s political game plan. If pipo who initiated the idea of the pact are serious then it can only work by fielding King Cobra and if the motive is to remove MMD from power otherwise these pipo from the 2 parties are just wasting their time. Zambian politicians never learn or rather rigged. They should start targeting certain rural areas where PF & UPND got worst results. The likes of VJ, Mike, Jeffy, Ben, Cathy etc are busy planning how to destablize the pact. Just wait and see.
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It is not automatically that HH becomes VEEP and after one term Sata gives way to HH. It has never happened before and it will never happen.SATA has his own people in PF to become veeps.HH should be very careful…..
#40. Shed more light. Who is the self-confessed drug trafficker? Are you talking about VJ? But, has (VJ) so much influence that he can still be using these chaps-the likes of chizyukas?
As soon as, the PACT behaves as a Monarch instead of using democracy, I will support the MMD’s candidate whoever it shall be: Mr President RB Banda or Katele Kalumba, etc..
Therefore, let demcracy rule. Those who are hostile to democracy will help me decampaign the PF-UPND PACT. As of now, I am in support of he PACT, but let PF and UPND members from their branches across the country choose the presidential candidate at Provincial Conventions. Since PF has no party structures across the whole Nation Zambia, let them form the grassroots now so that they can have their dictator get some support.
Unsing the 2008 presidential results above:
Prov. % PF/Sata UPND/HH
N. 65.5 1.3
NW 4.45 37.12
S 4.78 72.98
W 9.92 20.62
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Those that think Sata can work against HH, think of it again in a positive way. If for instance Sata changes when he becomes President, it will still work out better for HH coz by then he had already enjoyed the support and popularity of Satas many supporters and the voters at large. we will then see how selfless a leader he is and that his interest are for the nation. it will change things for him. otherwise i can safely tell u that if HH stands he will still lose. very few of us appreciate the man so the very grassroot people that infact vote are the ones we want Sata to introduce HH coz him is already connected
#70 Matworld, ala wansekesha!! Yaba! Tuchawa naiwe. Ni LT uyu, ka. Nikukamba chabe. You are right, after all its his sight, so nikumuuzilapo che. Leka tuchawa naiwe. lol!!!
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71 kwathukummawa greetings: On your My brother, Your argument with other bloggers over the 2006 and 2008 election results look very misplaced to me. That is a matter already concluded and the results were made public by the ECZ and they are readily available to any one who has any interest in them. Nothing is settled yet. Without elections from all party branch officials of the PF and UPND across the whole Nation or the Undereducate PF self-appointed leader endorsing president HH or any other UPND official to be the presidential candidate, I will support MMD and its candidate. There is no need for the PACT to behave like a MONARCH. Why are you PF cadres fearing provincial conventions? Indicate why Kavindele is not Pres.
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Whats wrong with Hon Chizyuka lets concentrate on cementing the pact time will come for that.Lets try n be serious for once n try n move this country forward even he can be picked as candidate when the time is right viva PF-UPND pact
Maestro satellite nefyashala, what exactly are you trying to illustrate with those figures? Ni scientific satelite physics nangu shani? Keep it simple, coz you are losing me.
Big Moze.
This is not the first time I have received this type of warning.LT is ever on me even if my comment does not contain any strong languege.Mwanisekesa naine ati tu chawa nikudala pamene ninanverako word iyo.
The best idea for the pact to succed is not to allow any member of parliament from both PF or UPND to pass any comment over this pact but only allow whoever is going to be the spokesperson for the pact to represent the two parties, otherwise people like chizhyuka will add salt to the injury. what we need is change of GRZ, whoever is going to be adopted must be supported by al well meaning voters who are affected by these crooks from Mwalya Mweka Daddy party.(MMD) if we put together all the Votes from PF and UPND, We shall definetely win in 2011, Viva pact, brilliant idea.
76 jack’s wife greetings: On your “otherwise i can safely tell u that if HH stands he will still lose. very few of us appreciate the man so the very grassroot people that infact vote are the ones we want Sata to introduce HH coz him is already connected“, this is clear with other parts of your sentiments that PF thinks thy will use president HH to get to plot 1. Funny enough, you are in for a rude shock as the might UPND TEAM people are not dull.
Kindly, reconsider your position on this matter if you want the Undereducate to rule. Let him start writing Grade 7 exams and go all the way to Grade 12 exams before he qualifies to rule Zambia.
Have a blessed day.
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#62 There is nothing wrong with harbouring alot on aspiring to plot but what is required is a winnable candidate to remove MMD from power and bring about real change as this is the objective of the pact
81 Ba Moze greetings: On your “Maestro satellite nefyashala, what exactly are you trying to illustrate with those figures? Ni scientific satelite physics nangu shani? Keep it simple, coz you are losing me.“, The results show you that the Undereducate has no support from 3 out of the 4 provinces I have put up. We will see on his provincial support when I put up all remaining results. Just give me time.
On 71 kwathukummawa‘s “Are you arguing as a way of testing your capacity to deceive and misinform in your training to succeed your “Uncle” VJ as master election dribbler and rigger. Tell us so that we start preparing.” Ignore my contribution of Provincial results at your own peril..
Have a blessed day.
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Like the boyz with sagging trouzers, school girlz with bulging side pockets, the say it’s morden trendz ….
People are saying Sata is popular. Actually, a lot of people are afraid of Sata – hence him not being able to win by himself so far. If the pact goes for Sata, the southern vote is not guaranteed as former UPND supporters might go for MMD instead simply because they dont like Sata.
Satellite Communications Physicist Maestro Hhehhehhehhe from Central Command Post in ….
You have still not answered my question. Please do not evade my question
Are you arguing as a way of testing your capacity to deceive and misinform in your training to succeed your “Uncle” VJ as master election dribbler and rigger. Tell us so that we start preparing.
Maestro He he he he!!
Iam surprised that you are still calling Sata undereducate,so why did HH and his collegues chose to pact with the pipo who are underedudated? Don’t forget that there is what we call intellegence and wisdom my brother.
Sata the Cobra is just playing mind games, why not choose a leader sooner and than later so that the party can have a leader to stair them in the right direction,. or is he trying to bribe some party members to vote for him.? Some things never change.
The best way to do for the pact to succed is not to allow any MP from both parties to pass comments over this pact. just choose the spokes person for the two parties to speak on the affairs of the pact, this pact must be supported by all well meaning voters to remove these crooks from Mwalya Mweka Daddy, (MMD) whoever is to be adopted should be given chance to Rule, this is what everyone was crying for.all we need is change of Government and give chance to others, if they don’t perform, we also vote them out, otherwise the pact is a F****ckin brilliant idea.
84 DAMBISA MOYO greetings. On your “#62 There is nothing wrong with harbouring alot on aspiring to plot but what is required is a winnable candidate to remove MMD from power and bring about real change as this is the objective of the pact“, Find the correct definition of the word WINNABLE BELOW.
Type “define: winnable” or use an English Dictionary to get its meaning and you will get:
able to be won or achieved
Source: en DOT wiktionary DOT org / wiki / winnable
Thus winnable candidate means someone to be won to the PACT. Thus, do you mean Ng’andu Magande or Maureen Mwanawasa who are not yet part of the PACT? In light of this, let us use correct English for our benefit.
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#71, we are trying to build a trend and unfortunately other than 2006 under levy, the opposition has always had a greater majority, so what are you going with in the future if you cannot make reference to the past?
Iwe Peter wakulubemba kulubemba takwaba ishina ati PETER! Niwebo Gonga lol
#84
Do not forget that HH and SATA are the interested parties at PLOT ONE.Who will give in to the other is the big question?
Let us wait and watch carefully…..It is flop,from the word go,these(HH & SATA)have nothing in common.These is marriage of inconvincies…
#83 satellite communications. I will support whoever the pact will put. I was only bringing out facts that may be ugly to you but i cant change them. we are not looking at emotions or who u like but we are making a winning team and our ultimate goal is to win. convince me that HH if fielded will take us to plot 1. i will be the happiest. dnt be blinded by emotions and hatred its not school that makes a good presido. have a lovely day. im off for lunch
Lets face it Bloggers, the last thing we need, pact or no pact, is Sata as Presidential candiadate! I would rather Have RB (God forbid!!) as my President for five (please God, NO!!) more years.
848 kwathukummawa , on your “Please do not evade my question. Are you arguing as a way of testing your capacity to deceive and misinform in your training to succeed your “Uncle” VJ as master election dribbler and rigger. Tell us so that we start preparing.“, Firstly where is the question mark? Anyhow, I am not trying to deceive any one or misinform any one. Just do the math and indicate to me if I have lied on my numbers above. I will be waiting.
89 Matworld greetings. On your “Iam surprised that you are still calling Sata undereducate,so why did HH and his collegues chose to pact with the pipo who are underedudated?” as the rest is useless, Sata is a Grade 2 or 6 school drop out. More…
Have a blessed day.
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Iwe Pompi, Wantekunya sana. Ati Shani??
When Chiluba picked Levy, Sata bailed out of MMD, it would be foolish for Chizyuka to think that Sata is as gullible as Nawakwi who allowed that Tonga fool to prevail and fail! My bet is that both these candidates are damaged goods, they should settle for a compromise, William Harrington!
Both Sata and HH are damaged tribalistic goods. This pact will fail because Sata is not gullible like Nawakwi who was dribbled by silly situkumba!
Big Moze.
Iam with you on that one,if not then I will never vote.
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89 Matworld greetings. On your “Iam surprised that you are still calling Sata undereducate,so why did HH and his collegues chose to pact with the pipo who are underedudated?” as the rest is useless, Sata is a Grade 2 or 6 school drop out. Grade 2 school drop out follows from one Senior Citizen who released data yesterday that the Undereducate Sata only reached Sub 2 which is equivalent to Grade 2 according to my 60 something year old mother. Grade 6 school drop out follows from one Minister Mulongoti who released data in 2008 elections time that the Undereducate Sata only reached Standard 4 equivalent to Grade 6 according to my mother. So, why should I lie? Are you christian?
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LT.
Just moderate my comment which is between 67 and 68,iam tired of seening that warning mwe.or its better you just ban me for no reason.
Just throwing this out there.
Definition of educated
-possessing an education (especially having more than average knowledge)
-characterized by full comprehension of the problem involved; “an educated guess”; “an enlightened electorate”
Definition of education
-the gradual process of acquiring knowledge
-knowledge acquired by learning and instruction
Definition of undereducated
-poorly or insufficiently educated
Using the word “undereducate” is wrong because such a word does not exist in the english dictionary.
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Yaba Nafinkola Ifyamba ..
Whats the topic please? whats going on,
Why is my jonny looking smaller than yesterday?, Ba ndowa bafitolilo
Maestro He he he he!!!!
Iam a Christian my brother,and you are you a christian?
what does the Bible say on olders? In terms of respect.Mind you there are so many pipo who have succeded in life but they are not educated,and they are so many pipo who are not educated but they have performed wonders here on earth than educated pipo like you and me.
95 jack’s wife I respect your emotional position. On your “convince me that HH if fielded will take us to plot 1. i will be the happiest. dnt be blinded by emotions and hatred its not school that makes a good presido. have a lovely day. im off for lunch” check the Provincial election results above and you will not that HH has 3 provinces out of the 4 below with good percentages from votes:
Prov. % PF/Sata UPND/HH
N. 65.5 1.3
NW 4.45 37.12
S 4.78 72.98
W 9.92 20.62
This is enough evidence that all we need is to have Provincial Headquarters Conventions to democratically choose the presidential elections. Check out George Bush and Al Gore’s US elections outcome about regional college win than popular vote.
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From the definitions above, we can confidently come to the conclusion that calling Sata “undereducated” is wrong.
One does not have to go to school to receive an education. A person who carves wood cannot be called undereducated, the person is educated at carving wood. If the person carves the wood poorly, then we can say the person is undereducated.
Sata is educated in interaction with people and politics. He acquired these skills through a gradual process of acquiring this knowledge when he was in govt. He therefore does not qualify as being undereducated. His performance from 2001 down to 2008 has shown that he is well educated in politics and interaction with people.
It is just that the MMD has a better team and will also win the 2011 elections.
Ya, mwayamba vizungu manje!! Kodi yamene iyi word ‘undereducate’ inachokela kuti?
In negotiating skills there is what is called Give and Take and is known as Positions. Give the National Governing Council chance and the time for the PACT to flow. We still have more than 2yrs to reach a consensus. There will be no need of campaigning for 2011 once the processes is followed properly. One Zambia One Nation will be on the mouths of the electorate especially in rural areas
#98 Ba Moze, umuboyz Peter alefwaya ukutugonga in braod daylight ayi? lol
This pact wont work ,f**k the pact and let each one stand on his own,sata will still be 2nd whilst HH takes his usual place,the last one of course cause he is the weakest in the game.Tongas can never accept sata,dem dumbs are craptically tribalistic,evil as they can be,if satan had a tribe of course he will be tonga.Ka maestro kachik@l@ you need deliverance from those muzimus that make you stubborn you d!c.
105 Matworld I asked you So, why should I lie? Are you christian?. Please answer the first question too.
On your “what does the Bible say on olders? In terms of respect“, What is olders?
Here are definitions of respect:
1. esteem: the condition of being honored
2. an attitude of admiration or esteem
3. obedience: behavior intended to please your parents
4. regard highly; think much of
5. regard: a feeling of friendship and esteem
Lastly “Respect is esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability. en.wikipediaDOTorg/ wiki/ Respect”
I am Chrsitian following all the 10 Commandments. How about you?…
Ghost, go easy on the tribal ntwenu bro! Chill nig.ger.
Ba Moze, long time mudala. We are busy working on this pact and this is just the beginning. We are trying ti convince someone that his time will be in 2016. Hope mulu che mushe mudala. Ba matworld, sorry i was busy on Facebook man. How are you?
#107 can you mention the team you are refering to.
Mark my words, if this alliance succeeds and the lack of unity in MMD continues, these people will form Government in the next 36 months. Teta should respect his colleagues and not wish them in jail. What is important now is to secure another term for MMD and that will deal a final blow to PF and not so much UPND. The key word for MMD is unity and closing the ranks. MMD should continue seeking the services of FTJ, General Miyanda, and ba mudala ba KK. The PF/UPND pact is very capable of unsitting any Government.
maestro heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee you still a tribalist as usual give the pact a chance Sata is right as always; Chizyuka today is Friday get your NCC allowance
Rashid, am ok, long time mwana. The pact had better work…no, in fact it MUST work. Talema na MMD.
Ba Moze, Maestro is the one who came up with the name of Undereducated.
#114 Pompi, lol!! Ati Peter!! (Rolling on the floor with laughter)!!! Awe, walanjipaya!
105 Matworld. Following “Respect is esteem for or a sense of the worth or excellence of a person, a personal quality or ability, or something considered as a manifestation of a personal quality or ability. SOURCE: en.wikipediaDOTorg/ wiki/ Respect, I am respecting the Undereducate Sata MC with his quality and FORMAL educational abilities. I am over and out on this one for it has been clearly explained now”.
As I am an SDA Chrsitian following all the 10 Commandments, I will continue following ONLY GOD, our Creator’s Commandments. This follows from “Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Is. 29.13.
Now, characters who cant debate are insulting.
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Rashid, pela yavutisa zina boyi. Free Market aleta na dictionary manje. Saikonda word iyo Free Market.
It will work if the these guys purpoting to be educated and rich can give it a chance.
They are now fighting on whose face is going to go on the chitenge. I dont see this thing working – parties are two different, for example HH is not anti-chinese and populist like Sata. Sata will never agree to HH going for president. He has been fighting since 2001. Both leaders are behaving in undemocratic ways as they did not even discuss this issue with their grass roots supporters. Dont think that voters in Southern province will vote for Sata no matter what.
112 Moze. Following your “Ya, mwayamba vizungu manje!! Kodi yamene iyi word ‘undereducate’ inachokela kuti?”, I coined the term Undereducate, not the capital U in the compound word.
Thus 123 Rashid Jones‘s “Ba Moze, Maestro is the one who came up with the name of Undereducated” is almost correct but for Undereducate and not undereducated. Note that I have had lots of discourses clearing this Pronoun Undereducate which I created from “Under” and “educate”. Let characters like Free-Market-Economist argue as much as they can, but just check the archives for my defense of the compound word Undereducate as I am its creator and no other.
Now, characters who cant debate are insulting.
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Maestro, The 10 commandments are easy. Love Lord your God with all yo heart, soul,mind and strength And Love yo Neighbour as yourself. But form the conducts of some of the bloggers, i wonder if they manage to follow the above because they are hipocrites.
128 bena ng’andu. Following your “Both leaders are behaving in undemocratic ways as they did not even discuss this issue with their grass roots supporters. Dont think that voters in Southern province will vote for Sata no matter what.” I have given a simple and easy way to choose the candidate as let there be democratic elections in all provincial Headquaters of Zambia by both PF and UPND party members from each province after both HH and Sata campaign defending themselves each as a better presidential candidate. In fact such debates on each one’s plan for Zambia MUST be televised on MUVITV for we can not wait for baised ZNBC which follows orders from GRZ.
All the best to the PF and UPND PACT as democracy rules.
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If maestro goes to heaven then who will be in hell? For he is a true prototype of judas Iscariot, the “LT Lufwekelo” so stubborn like cold formed steel that has undergone some strength hardening.
130 Rashid Jones greetings and long time. On your “Maestro, The 10 commandments are easy. Love Lord your God with all yo heart, soul,mind and strength And Love yo Neighbour as yourself. But form the conducts of some of the bloggers, i wonder if they manage to follow the above because they are hipocrites.” very well put and keep it up.
I truely believe this PF and UPND PACT will work as long as this behaviour of insulting and demeaning others by PF cadres and leaders comes to an end. If the PF characters think that they can cheat UPND, I remind them of Sokwe kaamuleya katabi (The monkey failed to grasp a tree’s branch – just one day). Take it easy.
All the best to the PF and UPND PACT as democracy rules.
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“Let characters like Free-Market-Economist argue as much as they can, but just check the archives for my defense of the compound word Undereducate as I am its creator and no other.”
Why do I sense red herrings??
Anyway, My argument was not on the word “undereducate”. I just pointed it out above to show that it is not part of the English dictionary. If you coined it, good for you. I will give you a cookie.
My argument was on calling Sata “undereducated”. I have shown above that calling Sata undereducated is wrong especially on the premise that “he dropped out of school”.
So in the above statement, if you are implying that my argument is on the word “undereducate”, then you are a liar.
132 Ghost dog you are very blessed and lucky that I have given you this audience. On your “If maestro goes to heaven then who will be in hell?“, do not worry as the good Lord God will decide.
As per your “For he is a true prototype of judas Iscariot, the “LT Lufwekelo” so stubborn like cold formed steel that has undergone some strength hardening” at UNZA (The University of Zambia), we called and they still call this INSHIMBI. That is why only METALS from all parts of Zambia make it to UNZA.
Take it easy. I advise you to stop insulting. Also, stop being tribal and acknowledge that all 71 Zambian tribes are each. Have a blessed day Citizen.
All the best to the PF and UPND PACT as democracy rules.
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PF/UPND think of Party convention before,this so called pack.
Kaya, fili ekotuleye
132 Ghost dog you are very blessed and lucky that I have given you this audience. On your “If maestro goes to heaven then who will be in hell?“, do not worry as the good Lord God will decide.
As per your “For he is a true prototype of judas Iscariot, the “LT Lufwekelo” so stubborn like cold formed steel that has undergone some strength hardening” at UNZA (The University of Zambia), we called and they still call this INSHIMBI. That is why only METALS from all parts of Zambia make it to UNZA.
Take it easy. I advise you to stop insulting. Also, stop being tribal and acknowledge that all 71 Zambian tribes are each equal. Have a blessed day Citizen.
All the best to the PF and UPND PACT as democracy rules.
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Ba Moze ,how are you?what did u write/post @ number 6?LT has deleted ….limbi mwachitukana bakaamba imwe!!!
Maeastro, Thanks Rashid is always fine. The good Lord is really keeping him safe. Chizyuka is trying to mislead people with his suggestion. This pact should go by the gaographical strength of the party in the country. I have always believed in patience.
Maestro hehe…stop calling Sata whatever name.The richest man on earth,Bill Gates is a university drop out but believe me he knows more computers than you will ever know in your lifetime.Both UPND/PF need each other for their mutual benefit.What sata is to you is now water under the bridge.
Rashid Jones ,elo washitile akali-shirt ako?limbi kabupyani?
Rashi Jones,elo wasitile akali – s.h.i.r.t ako?nangu kabupyani?
141 Laura Nkunda greetings and stop being emotional. On your “Maestro hehe…stop calling Sata whatever name“, this will never happen as long as the Undereducate Sata does not get a Grade 12 or it equivalent Certificate from a recognised formal education system. I assure you this, even until I die or Jesuc Christ comes again and graces me with life to see his descent move.
As per your “The richest man on earth,Bill Gates is a university drop out but believe me he knows more computers than you will ever know in your lifetime.Both UPND/PF need each other for their mutual benefit.What sata is to you is now water under the bridge Bill Gates reached Havard University and stop lying. Ask him if he can solve Quantum Physics?
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Rashid Jones are u there?or u are guilty?
141 Laura Nkunda on your “The richest man on earth,Bill Gates is a university drop out but believe me he knows more computers than you will ever know in your lifetime.Both UPND/PF need each other for their mutual benefit.What sata is to you is now water under the bridge Bill Gates reached Havard University and stop lying. Ask him if he can solve Quantum Physics and then Quantum Computing?
Be advised that ignorance is very bad to expose to the whole world on the Internet and be careful with what you wish for. I am not Maestro for funny, ok!
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FTJ, bwanji mudala. Milandu zanu zafika pati? Milandu za Mu Zed sizisila. Zambia Airways probe namanje kukali zee until tikaibaleko
FTJ, taumfwa. Nimpyani mudala wandi, may bangazitiitanako ati (The educated naife).
Satellite Communications Physicist Maestro Hhehhehhehhe from Central Command Post in ….
What does the bible teach us about “FOOLISH PRIDE”
Satellite Communications Physicist Maestro Hhehhehhehhe from Central Command Post in ….
What does the bible teach us about “F O O L I S H PRIDE”?
Shaka Zulu. You are offside William Harrington for President under the PF/UPND pact. The chap will end making every Zambian a soccer fan and build stadiums where there no players and supporters. I Thank I should also declare my interest for Presidency in fact I qualify being a Zambian citizen, I am proper munthu. For God’s sake Sata can do better in fact he needs just 5 big constituencies like Mazabuka Central, Chikankata, Chilanga, Mwinilunga East, Mapatzya and Nagoma chapwa. At the moment HH will win less votes in Copperbelt urban and Lusaka Urban. Let the young chap learn the ropes of poltics. I would in fact encourage to back to Monze and contest one of the consituences and feel how it is to be an MP. Well he as done well in the Business World but has to learn a lot in politics.
This iz getting more and more interesting. From such brainstorm, I hope at last a nice way forward will be found.
148 kwathukummawa, better you write what you know and then I will give my comment as for now, check the story of the rich fool following your “What does the bible teach us about “F O O L I S H PRIDE”?.
Also, answer my querries to you on posting 100:
88 kwathukummawa , on your “Please do not evade my question. Are you arguing as a way of testing your capacity to deceive and misinform in your training to succeed your “Uncle” VJ as master election dribbler and rigger. Tell us so that we start preparing.“, Firstly where is the question mark? Anyhow, I am not trying to deceive any one or misinform any one. Just do the math and indicate to me if I have lied on my numbers above. I will be waiting.
Rember do unto others what you want them to do for you…
148 kwathukummawa, better you write what you know and then I will give my comment as for now, check the story of the rich f o o l following your “What does the bible teach us about “F O O L I S H PRIDE”?.
Also, answer my querries to you on posting 100:
88 kwathukummawa , on your “Please do not evade my question. Are you arguing as a way of testing your capacity to deceive and misinform in your training to succeed your “Uncle” VJ as master election dribbler and rigger. Tell us so that we start preparing.“, Firstly where is the question mark? Anyhow, I am not trying to deceive any one or misinform any one. Just do the math and indicate to me if I have lied on my numbers above. I will be waiting.
Remember do unto others what you want them to do for…
Bloggers I wish there was wide readership on this communication system. The real voters at grassroot level taking part. I would suggest find spare time pass through Inter City Market that is where pipo Ba Kaponya analyse political issues one by one. There are alot Kaponyas who understand Zambia street politics than guys in corporate offices like you and me. When Fundanga says the economy is doing fine despite the Global Economic Melt Down what does he mean. The Kwacha went crazy thousands lost employment. What was the point of borrowing from World/IMF to prop up the kwacha. Man in the street understands real economics. We need actual economic growth not on paper which is determined by 1% of our population. Dr. Fundanga dont confuse us the academic theories, We need food and jobs as growth.
More 2008 elections results:
Lusaka Province 2008 presidential election results
Party/Cand. MMD/RBB UPND/HH PF/MCS HP/Br.G. GM
Total votes 90057 43515 162107 1697 All Totals 297376
Percentage v. 30.28 14.63 54.51 0.57
Maestro he he he!!!
The Bible is very clear it tells us to respect elders,but the way you address Mr sata is unacceptable,you mean there is no other name you can call him apart from calling hm uneducated.My brother you should be applying the Bible don’t just read and recite the scriptures.Mind you pride has been spoken about in the Bible several times.
A pact of two tribal party.It is a well known fact that someof the PF and UPND memebers are the worst tribalist in Zambia.Data is there at the CSO and ECZ to prove that the two parties always vote on tribal line.It is difficult for a proper Tonga Bull like Major Chizyuka and the likes to embrace a man like Sata who also depends on his clans men/women for votes.The Tonga-Bemba pact can not work out in the current political arrangement in Zambia.Besides that one Michael Sata has to change in the manner he runs the affairs of his party.He is the only signatory to his party account and has never held any party elections.What method are they going to use to select the presidential candidate for the pact since Sata has always avoided party elections?
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Province Luapula Province 2008 presidential election results
Party/Cand. MMD/RBB UPND/HH PF/MCS HP/Br.G. GM
Totals 32552 1588 82418 389 All Totals= 116947
Percentage % 27.83 1.36 70.47 0.33
154 Matworld, on your “The Bible is very clear it tells us to respect elders,but the way you address Mr sata is unacceptable,you mean there is no other name you can call him apart from calling hm uneducated.My brother you should be applying the Bible don’t just read and recite the scriptures.” Just re-read my verses and English Dictionary words to you above and Understand them in English Language instead of your own mother tongue. If you want read more Holy Scriptures and come back to me when you are done.
As for “Mind you pride has been spoken about in the Bible several times“, what pride are you referring to? Can you please quote my own words for I don’t want to give you the definition. I am not Maestro for funny!
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Ka Moze washaini. Wanya ka bululu kobe ka He chi He chi has to accept to be second to Satana or this useless pact won`t work. Unless HH accepts to play second fiddle to satana, your dream will not come true. Satana doesn`t need HH. Your HH is the one who needs Satana. I can`t see ut Tonga like yourself accepting this RB should not be worried.
chizyuka is a very cunning person,why should it be him to declare who will be president for the pact.Uyu Soldier ni wa chabe chabe
HH better be careful. Mwanawasa reconciled with Venom Sata and look at what happened to him. PF is just using UPND to try and get the Southern vote. Also if they have come as far as to say they are going to work together, surely then they must have discussed who the leader of the pact would be at this stage? Shows that the cracks are there already. The only thing they agree on is to get rid of MMD, otherwise they have nothing in common. Furthermore, this is getting confusing, I thought they said that the parties would not merge but would work together, if we are talking about a leader does that mean they aim to merge in the future? They could actually help each other by nof fielding candidates in areas where the other is weak so as not to split the opposition vote.
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Eastern Province 2008 Presidential voted Results
Party/Cand. MMD/RBB UPND/HH PF/MCS HP/Br.G. GM
Total votes 148197 11624 37295 1926 All Totals= 199042
Percentage % 74.46 5.84 18.74 0.97
So, #64 you would rather have rubbish, rb instead of someone with an impressive truck record of putting things right? KK, is full of nepotism. According to him the kaundas must be ruling Zambia, or anyone near the name of kaunda. He is one of the chaps who have messed up Zambia and he continues doing so by supporting productionline rejects. Fcuk up this election and Zambia will be sunk forever.
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Province Copperbelt 2008 Presidential Elections cast votes Results
Party/Cand. MMD/RBB UPND/HH PF/MCS HP/Br.G. GM
Total votes 105225 17846 201087 2022 All Totals= 326180
Percentage % 32.26 5.47 61.65 0.62
i agree upnd can very easily be the B***H in this relationship
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Province Central Province 2008 Presidential cast votes Results
Patry/Cand. MMD/RBB UPND/HH PF/MCS HP/Br.G. GM
Total votes 82178 31821 37656 1080 All Totals= 152735
Percentage % 53.8 20.83 24.65 0.71
In light of the above posted, results of actual cast votes from all the 9 Provinces of Zambia indicate that the only way yo settle the issue of the PF-UPND Presidential candidate for 2011 tripartite elections is not to use cheating methods of saying I or he will leave power to contest the 2016 elections, but to compete through democratic elections where representatives from both PF and the UPND should vote for a presidential candidate in each of the 9 provinces of Zambia.
Three is no need to fear democratic elections for they will end the tribalism the Undereducate MCS brought to Zambia. Also, they will allow voters at the Provincial HQ Conventions to vote for a presidential candidate after listening to what they have to offer and how it will be done.
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To crown it all, ““Between now and 2011, anything can happen to both the young and the old,” Mr Sata said” attributed to the Undereducate PF leader Micheal Chilufya Sata is fair. However, let democratic elections through voting of PF and UPND members in all the 9 Provinces of Zambia be held in Provincial Headquaters from January to June 2011 so that grassroots decideafter listening to how each ambitious candidate will articulate issues and indicate on the voting pattern of the 2011 presidential elections.
Have a great day and Sabbath day you all. Until the next time, this has been Maestro Hhe hhe hhe hhe.
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Apparently Chizyuka’s comments were made by him as an individual. What we still dont know is how many other UPND members share his views. They might start coming out of the wood work soon. Already somebody said that Mutinta Mazoka is not happy with this new development.
Kwena kaya, benangu bantu kaya kaleza. kapema niku funta? But ba blogger ka.
While Maj. Chizhyuka’s sentiments may be viewed as premature, the candidacy issue is fundamental to the overall success of the Pact. A roadmap of how the candidate will be selected should not be left for the last minute (on the runup to 2011), but rather, should be at the core of the pact. The candidacy issue is what’s going to either strengthen the pact or break it. Sata and HH had better stop procrastinating and sort the candidacy issue now, while its getting positive feedback from the masses… Otherwise, we’ll still continue seeing these repulsive images of mothers giving birth on staircases, and (billions of Kwacha) of public resources being utilised for personal gain…
This pact is marriage of inconvenience, wina azalila nafuti… cikwati chapa mseu…
The PACT will work. We must understand that this is a thorn in the MMD circles. They don’t know if they will pull another quick one or not. Yes, the PACT is new and for sure there will be some few issues that will need to be ironed out. If some of you think they wont have problems, then you don’t know how politics and organizations are run. It is not unfamiliar for small issues to be blown up and leave out successes by those that are threatened by a leadership laden group like the PACT. MMD with its machinery will spend all that it has on distablizing the PACT. Now it is up the people within the PACT to storm and sort out such issues. Zambia is really at risk here. It is not the two parties, UPND and PF that will suffer, but Zambians and the reputation it has. Support this PACT.
Typical of our polioticians, they are at it again. Cast aside your personal interests, we thought the purpose of the PACT was to eliminate the lumpens, MMD and give people of Zambia their rightful place. Actually, this matter should be dealt with, I mean decide the two of them who leads and who will be vice, that to come and differ in 2011. Let them not decide in the tabloids, but one of them should give courtesy to the other and move on together. This way people will have made up their minds and Nyama Soya will be history.
The issue of who stands is not an issue now. Openning up a Pack candidate now will give MMD a target and will spent Billions to sponsor people both in UPND and PF to cause confussion. Let that issue come in 2010 and let the NGC do its work. Thats the purpose the NGC has been put in place. The pact has of now is in the right direction let support it.
Both UPND and PF suffer from anti-convention syndrome. In order to avoid the innevitable (that there are people in these parties who can win) they have chosen to bluff the electorate with this pact. Conventions have not been held in PF or UPND and yet everyone here is talking of Sata and HH. What about all those young and educated members who can steer the party to victory? They will be ignored until 2010 when there no time hold a convention, pick a new guy and market him. MMD has had 3 presidents in the last 8 years, where UPND has had 2 and PF only one! Furthermore, MMD has had a Bemba/FTJ, a Lenje/LPM and a Chewa/RBB, where UPND have restricted themselves to Tonga’s Only and PF to a Bemba Only!
#178, your analysis is to the point. A party full of crooks such as MMD needs a surprise. They need to be caught with their pants down. Moreover, the appointed council needs to collect as much info as possible in order to make an informed decision. I conquer with u. The main issue was the entry point to winning the election in 2011-which is a pact. It will be naive on the part of the council to make a rushed decision under duress just cos of the foolish chizyukas of zambia. First things first. Get power from MMD and start real economic (etc), planning of the country. Most of the pipo who are calling for the announcement of the presidential candidate don’t want the pact to succeed. Or, they just dont think.
wait a minute .i went to hillcrest and have lots of educated friends who happens to be tongas.i never experienced any tribalism from tongas considering that iam bemba.has any of you who write this stuff ever experienced tribalism directly from either tribe.not long ago i was working on the munali nickel process plant during the phase of its construction .again this being a tonga land i never experienced any tribalism.so what i have experienced and what you tell people seem to be at odds.tongas are nice people just like i believe bembas are nice people .please do not divide the nation with your unqualified statements.if for one reason or another you in a mess do not attribute that to tribe as a cause .look at yourself and realise how your inner fears forms public opinion.we deserve better.
We do not want to be ruled by sata.. he is not educated. if HH is not president then you have to forget pact. sata knows, he needs HH to get to state house via sata to HH. Now PF member do not want sata becacuse he is a dictator, even peter machungwa had put it plain that all is not okay in PF camp. He wants to bring his arrogant to UPND,. That will not work for him. sata can not extend his support base from bemba speaking areas. so where is his popularity,,,,!!!!!!
On what exacly is Sata going to groom HH, i feel Sata should be given a position in gov, which will allow him to do some monitoring roll. We all know that Sata has a big smoke-screan that puts fear in everybody even those of us who are typical PF cadres. Sata is just unpredictable, if you disagree please just highlight where he (SATA) was staight on issues of national interest.
“Between now and 2011, anything can happen to both the young and the old,” Mr Sata said.
Umm, quite ominous statement!
After gathering some data from Zambia, here is my analysis of the presidential candidate under PF-UPND PACT:
1. The Undereducate has noted that MMD’s plan to block him for being a presidential candidate using educational qualifications in the wouldbe New Constitution have reached an advanced stage and needs to see someone win the 2011 presidential elections other than MMD.
2. In PF especially among non rebel MPs, there is no one with a NATIONAL FOLLOWING THAT can challenge MMD.
3. Only the UPND especially president HH has a following across the country and only needs some support in Copperbelt province to be able to win.
4. The Undereducate Sata needs a position such as Vice President of Zambia atleast since the President one has been elusive to him in the past.
185 continued.
5. The only way to achieve his (Undereducate Sata’s) goals is to support the UPND where there are educated men who can challenge the MMD nicely.
6. The ““Between now and 2011, anything can happen to both the young and the old,” Mr Sata said“ is there to just let most PF cadres, who are tribalistic, to have time to accept president HH as he now gets publicity from the POST at full strength through the PACT. However, he thinks he can also trick the UPND should NCC and Parliament fail to succeed with the education qualifications clause in the New Republic of Zambia Constitution.
Thus, as things stand, president HH has been settled as a person who will lead the PACT in to the governing of Zambia, by God’s grace.
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Prevention is better than…
Its good that PF and UPND cadres are comforting themselves and dont want to face the truth even when they know who Sata is.He is the Cobra.Wont accept any lesser positions.
Sata & HH have done a good thing. All Sata shud do now is to allow HH to stand and led him be a Chairman for both parties. PF should get vice presidency. By so doing he will be given great respect by all. PF Supporter.
Nothing wrong with pact,even these small parties if they lead by Genuine Leaders should join an genuine Zambians should come in and support this ,I’m just beging Our two leaders to accept who ever wiil be chosen as president, I personally I can’t wait for a New party to arise and the priority province shud be my own province(N/W) Pliz call some of us to speak to our own people especially the aged who just vote without knowing what the end results will cause.Pliz napopwela balongo bami ,what Levy did will remain in place no matter what, RB kechi uji na kalango kakulama bantu nangwa kyalo ne.Especially my chiefs don’t be used on the expence of your subjects.Pliz ,Pliz .
Ba Sata! What is that I am seing on your table? Of all the nice animals you only managed to pick on a Cobra. Why? There are better animals a person can associate with.
#64 you are very right. Infact I am happy that this pact of greedy presidents was formed. If Sata thinks he can easily manipulate HH, then both of them will fall with a big thud in 2011. Since when did TONGAs became friends with BEMBAS? This is a joke at it’s best.
Fellow Zambians,l write this from Ndola Zambia,we are currently experiencing catastrophic health situation here.Would you believe that we only have 3 doctors the whole district?
and that all the three are on leave at the same time?
the we allow people to plunder and fly around?we allow a short man whole stole someone’s wife to make noise?bane lets stop this rhetoric of who is lozi tonga or bemba thats trash!!!the common enemy to all of us in this thieving MMD we musg get rid of.This has to be done,by the ballot or bul… it must be done.Am disturbed seeing people’s lives being lost because of lack of care we need more docters here,KM Ndola DHMT
Speculations of who to become a 2011 presidential candidate of the pact are a solid signal of no confidence in the pact looking at the nature of the two RAT-CAT friendship of HH and Sata. The two guyz will soon break away as they are both just too proud and hungry for power. Waiting for 2011 will just give advantage to MMD as these two guyz will definately split and will waste time to regain their confidence. It will do them good if they chose the candidate now so that as time goes on they can burry their differences and compaign the new leader of the pact. This step is the only key or rather indicator to the strength and future of the pact without which the pact is of no force to MMD.
My only concern is the process that will be used when electing that candidate. This process will either make or break the pact. Careful guys, I’m behind you.
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