PATRIOTIC Front (PF) Members of Parliament attending the National Constitutional Conference (NCC) will not support plans to impeach President Rupiah Banda because he has not violated the Constitution, spokesperson, Peter Machungwa has said.
Dr Machungwa said in an interview in Lusaka yesterday that there was no Article in the Republican Constitution that the president had violated and the 18 PF MPs attending the NCC, therefore, found the calls to move the impeachment motion to be misguided.
“You only impeach the president if he has abrogated the Constitution and nobody has given any evidence showing that the president has violated the Constitution. In short, this thing is a non-starter,” Dr Machungwa said.
He said Article 37 of the Constitution stipulates the conditions under which an impeachment motion could be instituted against a president if the office holder had violated the Constitution.
He said an impeachment motion should be instituted through a notice given to the Speaker in writing and signed by at least one-third of Parliament, representing 53 MPs and that is not achievable under the current composition of the House.
The MMD has 81 MPs, PF 40, and UPND 22, while the United Liberal Party has three and UNIP one member.
Dr Machungwa said after its introduction and exhaustive debate, the impeachment motion could only be passed with the support of two-thirds of Parliament, representing 106 MPs.
In the event that such a motion was passed, a tribunal would then be appointed by the Chief Justice.
But even after its findings, the actual impeachment would need the support of three-quarters of the MPs.
Dr Machungwa, who is Luapula MP, said even other PF MPs not in his camp were against the motion to impeach President Banda because of the realisation that he had not violated the Constitution.
“Even assuming that there was no split in the PF, I know that some members will still not support the motion because they know that it is a non-starter,” Dr Machungwa said.
He said that MPs and opposition leaders pressing for the impeachment motion should produce evidence that President Banda has violated the Constitution, which he swore to uphold.
[Times of Zambia]
You have been bought,so the opposition is the known thing.
Nothing new, we knew it! Zambians are crying out and you who we gave power are doing nothing to proect us but only act in the interest of your pockets!!!! Shame on you machungwa and the rest who could have saved us now but choose not to.
Did Sata really plan for this gaffe which has instead turned out more damaging on the PACT as a backfire instead of weakening RB? Do we really have strategists or Sata and HH every thing? Now with 18 MPs rubbishing it, do we even have the minimum 53 to move the motion not mentioning the 106 required to pass it. This has been very damaging to the PACT.
we don’t care whether the opposition mps support or dont support the empeachement, God cannot be mocked, all the cries of the poor and the sick in zambia shall not go unanswered, one day God shall impeach Rupiah.
The Dr is right, the impeachment is a flop, let them just concertrate on how to strengthen their pact, otherwise, such wishful thinking won’t work. Just wait for 2011. Whats up Haka-Sata?
Not that I support the impeachment nor Rupiah, but that you are immoral and all you think about is your greediness!! I pray that you lose your seats soonest. We put you there to talk on our behalf! Alas, we had made a mistake! Wishing all of you the wrath of the Devil!
Rubbish just becuase of the tuma mane you are getting , that is why you are not supporting the impeachment.
Monjo ,
Sata and his wife Ichilema are kawaya wayas you should never waste your time listening to.When they start barking senselessly, its the character of these miscreants under pressure of foreign debts from Taiwanese and South African boers they mortgaged the country to in hope of power they will never land..Loser + loser =desperados
I don’t understand the logic on this blog sometimes.
Someones who speaks objectively and independently and states their opinion is called all sorts of things if the opinion is for the ruling MMD. All sorts of thuggish vile hateful things are said about the person. They say You have been bought, you are a beneficiary, you are an MMD shushushu, you have been paid by the MMD, etc.
Perhaps we have all forgotten that we are in a democracy and in a democracy, people will support and vote for different parties. If everyone votes for the same party then it ceases to be a democracy. You will never find a party getting 100% of the presidential vote in a National Presidential election. [tbc
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It is time some people grow up and contribute objectively. It is time people contributed using their minds and not their emotions.
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Former Free-Market-Economist, Free-Market-Capitalist, Crazy_Zambian
Its true the impeachment bid lacks constitutionality. There are no valid constitutional proviso violations. In light of the Legality surrounding Dora’s appointment there is a proviso [statutory Instrument] invoking presidential discretion to appoint without consultation thus enforcing article 42 of the Constitution of Zambia. It can be argued by convenors that certain parts of the act be enforced but such fall short of valid contention with respect to the proviso. It shall be an excercise aimed at embarrassing RB not ridding him of power. However it shall be at the expense of Zambians’ Time in parliament through their representatives.
Now coming to the story, We all knew there is no way this motion to impeach the president would pass. It would just lead to another expensive election and is also leading to costs in parliament. The MP’s in parliament should be discussing developmental national issues and not impeachment of the president especially at a time when the world and the nation is financially strapped. How deep does Sata and HH want us to dig in the national purse should the impossible situation arise that the impeachment happens?
HH is just talking senselessly. This is similar to his 24 hour ultimatum on Dora Siliya which saw nothing happen. [tbc
# 4 mukasima,
Leadership comes from God.its God who gives and takes not on the terms of the devil.He gives his people a leader he knows.Those two militia leaders are secessionists in their positions to divide and not unite the country.You don’t drive impeachment without alternative leadership, game plan and structure to fill the vacuum not mentioning constitutional grounds to sale you impeachment hullabaloo.You don’t keep such to your heart without citizens knowing.The legislature, judiciary, citizens and defense wings no nothing the who are you moving it for? For embattled tabloid, foreign powers you owe money? Tell Zambians who could absorb the heart of anarchy.
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As for Sata, we all know about his wishful thinking and how he speaks big on the impossible. Sata is once again showing traits of his empty words. We all saw this with Chiluba’s 3rd term bid which never happened, his 90 day economic miracle formula and finally this impeachment motion.
Please stop wasting our time as we are in a hurry to develop. RB will not be impeached whether you like it or not. Take this as a fact.
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Former Free-Market-Economist, Free-Market-Capitalist, Crazy_Zambian
Bagwela aba we put you as MPs for nothing. We thought you people knew our suffering but it is like you guys are are good for Nothing. you fat greedy pigs. We dont need such people in parliament
Ba #9 MR CAPITALIST,awe kwena bane mwalasa,namashiwi nshikwete!
What are these so called MPs still doing in PF? Why not do what Saviour Chishimba has done. Its obious that money is the key factor and also some of these chaps have corruption charges before our courts and supporting the impeachment call could be a passport to Chimbokaila
These micreants have amateurishly tried all kindergarten subversive tacks to induce anarchy but Zambians have seen foolish and visionless mercenaries in them serving on interest at the expense of peace and development.Using subversive Mmembe now a full hired gun of foreign interest they have turned him into a poison chalice against Zambian.Tried to subvert the judiciary, Executive, Legislature, Defense and Security like Army and Police but all in vain.On the police Salary lie, it was to incite the into revolt without realizing stratification and patriotism. Yesterday Mrs Ichilema Sata even recklessly said time is ripe for us to send cadres on the street.If they are bones let them do so now otherwise, its kawaya waya business.
This impeachment issue is waste of time. Just prepare for elections
Now HH has just joined this gang of thugs. He’s just yapping without reasoning.
The problem in Zambia is that people in most cases vote for MPs who do not live in their areas. How can someone who resides in Lusaka, Ndola or Kitwe be an area MP for Kasama, Mongu, Chipata etc. It does not make sense at all. An area MP must reside in the area so that he can follow on what is happening. I feel the people are sometimes partly to blame for all this crap our country is facing. As for the fight against corruption let us forget it. The root cause of corruption in Zambia is poverty and greediness, we all know this, and as such until such time that poverty is eradicated and leaders start thinking about others we should not cheat ourselves that we shall do away with corruption never and this is regardless of who is President. All cases going on now will never end corruption
……a share waste of time. Concetrateon on how you will convince people to vote for you instead
If you`ve got money or connections (like the president put it) then Zambia is the best place to live. If you are an MP who is going to get gratuity and yeah mid term gratuity, the last thing you want is disruption.
These MPs know if the government changed then all their plans are shattered! In Africa it`s all about me and mine. Never mind the chap that voted you into office. After all they tend to have amnesia when it`s election time. Give them sugar and alas they will give you the all important X. Kabalecula ba kamushi.
Maestro, Nine Chale, Justice Kafusha, J and all those opposed to this government, it`s a losing battle bane. The trouble is, you pay a party monitor say in Magoye of Kashikishi, they then decide to get more money by doing what the ruling party decides. These people will never leave office. I can only see a Zaire. I may be wrong though.
These MPs know they have to get the money, would they want that to be disrupted? Sorry but because of poverty and lack of sense of pride, MMD are going to be around for ages. I would want to think I am wrong but, my heart says the opposite.
While I am aware that RB has failed, I do not see any serious alternative to him amongst the opposition. It is like going to state house is the most important and main issue on the agenda for most of these politicians. We need some Oboma type to emerge before 2011, someone young, wise and clean. It is time the young generation stepped in to save our country after all it is the future of the young people at stake. These old quacks do not care because they know very well that they are over the hell, therefore everything they do will be in their own interests. I wish to challenge the youth to come out from their hiding holes and take a lead in the running of the state of affairs of our country. We have a lot of educated and wise youths in Zambia, but the problem is that they are afraid
This thing is just a waste of time. PF has only got 40 MPs in parliament. If 18 of them which is nearly half, dont support the impeachment process then the whole thing has got no legs to stand on. Opposition is wasting it’s credibiility with all these dramatic but empty gestures. Zambia is a democracy so you dont have to like RB, but the fact remains that he has not committed any impeachable offence.
24 3RqU greetings and long time. On your “Maestro, Nine Chale, Justice Kafusha, J and all those opposed to this government, it`s a losing battle bane.“, I beg to differ on your referring to me as opposed to this government for I have always maintained that I am neutral and hence the insults that some sick characters write about me for they think that I am their leader who must always write what they want to read. My support for the U-Team is its manifesto.
On the other hand, what losing battle are you referring to for your stuff and it are now adding up properly?
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Psalm 16 + KJV Bible
8I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in…
If you disagree with Sata then you have been bought, people never think that you may actually be principled. Sata was telling lies that even some MMD MPs support the impeachment process but he forgot about his own party. What kind of strategist is he and some of you think this is the calibre of person to rule the country?
King floor polish cant even do the maths but people want him to be in charge of the economy – never! People dont forget that some of us dont want Sata to get anywhere near plot 1. Dont under estimate us. We are prepared to do ANYTHING to stop Satana from getting into state house.
Following “The MMD has 81 MPs, PF 40, and UPND 22, while the United Liberal Party has three and UNIP one member” Firslty, what happened to the FDD MP/s? Secondly, taking into account “… the <b<18 PF MPs attending the NCC, therefore, found the calls to move the impeachment motion to be misguided and the resigned from PF MP Savior Chishimba, the so-called non-rebel Sata (Grade 2/6, unknown)’s PF has about 21 MPs then which are less that the mighty UPND’s MPs. This is why I have maintained that the UPND is actually more stronger in Parliament as opposition.
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Psalm 16 + KJV Bible
8I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
3RqU I get your point but what is worrying me is the fact that some of us still have relatives in Zambia and at the rate tings are going Zambia may end up in a disaster. We saw this under KK when some military guys working with civilians almost overthrow KK. You can push people but when you push them to the wall and you can not push then further they are bound to react. No one wants to see bloodshed in Zambia but the way things are going that looks enavitable and I won’t be surprised. There is just too much hatred in Zambian politics like never before and this sitiuation gives food for thought. RB’s alliance with Mugabe is another danger to our country, Mugabe of all people who was an enemy of LPM, who had no respect of LPM is all of a sudden RB’s friend. Sometime I wonder what killed…
Following my This is why I have maintained that the UPND is actually more stronger in Parliament as opposition. This is why the UPND-PF PACT needs a good leader who needs to inspire confidence in all its members and that is no other than president HH as of now. All he needs is the Copperbelt Province to be convinced that he never s t o l e any money from Luansya Copper Mine during his time a boss of Grant Thornton when the RECEIVERSHIP was conducted by it on behalf of GRZ which previously owned the mine.
Luapula and Northern provinces can join in but have small votes.
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Psalm 16 + KJV Bible
8I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
they fear losing their graturity,they are using their bellies to think.
#29 I agree with you Sata is not the right person to rule Zambia, but someone has to come up, someone fresh, clean, qualified and who thinks more about others than himself and his family and friends. We need a President who will be President for all Zambians regardless the party they belonged to
#27 Maestro you`ve “lost me” there. May be there is nothing wrong with MMD. Am I being thick?
Why are we busy focussing on What RB says or Sata or HH.It is pointless to focus small issues when bigger problems face us eg health institutions or poverty alleviation.It is so disappointing to hear arguments of impeachment and all that fuss.This is sign that we have all lost direction,let us not just condemn the so called leaders.For once Zambians let us take responsibility and act not merely uttering just about any thing.
Justice Kafusha I hear you. Sometimes you think Zambians being softies they are is a blessing. Surely the situation is scary. I have my mother, father, brothers and sisters back home and the last thing one would ever want to think about is war, coup or stuff like that. May be we should just go back to one party rule. To be honest there is no multipartism in Zambia. PF, UPND and independent MPs are all loking to becoming ministers. I nearly said I give! lol!
Give up! Should have read in the last sentence.
#36 You will act all you want, if the policy makers are doing something else, you are chasing your own tail. Unless you are a beneficiary. Tell you what, Toyota cars are slightly more expensive in the UK! Do you know the reason why? “Britains” want to protect their own. Simples! lol! If you`ve seen the advert that is!
#36 Sister who is supposed to focus on bigger issues?. And what responsibility have you as a Zambian taken. Can you give us 5 examples of the responsibilities you have taken as a Zambian? If we can not condemn the leaders who was shall condemn for the mess in our country. Please educated me
#36 concerned young lady ,you are right.In the first place why should the president be impeached,while we do not have credible leaders? HH and Sata are also after there own concerns.Sata has a written history under chiluba,s regime,HH we know also.IfGod has seen it fit for RB to reign,who are we to disagree.Lets us all try to find ways in which we can help develop our impoverished nation.One nation under God.
#37 True maybe we should just declare Zambia a one Party state until such a time in future where Zambians will be ready
This sitiation is pretty bad, just planning to start fishing my relatives out of there one by one
All you impeachers impeach your own life cause its wack,you are not fit to live,ya mouths run more like a river,go get a life,I wish I had a dime to buy you one.LOOSERS
People in developed nations look upto the government to bail them out. In Zambia people want to be finding solutions for the inept government. Naya mayo kuti watukana!
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#36 Sister who is supposed to focus on bigger issues?. And what responsibility have you as a Zambian taken. Can you give us 5 examples of the responsibilities you have taken as a Zambian? If we can not condemn the leaders who shall condemn for the mess in our country. Please educate me
Hon machungwa lets be objective in our dealings. poor people voted us to repesent them not to get rich on their back. time will tell for the money you are getting which should have been channelled to the hospitals or to civil servants.
May God hear our prayers and help us to remove greed politicians and bring in servant leadership.
#34.. I concur.. we need a leader for Zambia who is passionate about investment and development. Someone with fresh ideas and am afraid thats not Sata nor RB.. We need a person who is charismatic, who understands international relations and economics. This kind of energy also needs to run in the minds of the cabinet/parliaments ..we need to focus on one things development and sustainbility.. we need to work together not dispise one another because one has more exposure , more experience home or abroad..etc
Going by all this, are Sata and HH fit to be president of Zambia? It seems they never sought legal advice on this matter. Good Judgement is a very importatnt thing for a head of state to have. Zambia cannot afford to have hooligans for president. This saga should open the eyes of people. May be Sata and HH are not fit to be president of Zambia, after all.
It is the duty of a govt to solve problems in a country through decision making. The govt must lead by example and once they do that people will follow. There are a lot of strange things happening in Zambia. Just after RB was elected President of Zambia, Campaigns for the next elections begun. This was not and is not normal both on the side of the opposition and the sitting Govt. I do not know any democratic country any where in the world were campaigning starts immediately after elections. Just when are these politicians going to work for the people when they are spending all their time campaigning and insulting each other. It is very shameful to our country, very unbelievable to see how RB, Sata and HH are throwing mud at each other in public. Don’t these guys know of the saying
#48 You may be right. May be they are even more rubbish.
Zambia is in serious problems to be focussing on trivial issues. We all know that the impeachment issue is just a noise in the air, who remembers the inexperienced politians words giving MMD 24hrs ultimatum or else… Now its reasons for the impeachment….. MMD might not be as good as expected but they are in control of things. The only way to tackle these issues is to wait til 2011, were we would have our voices heard through the ballot papers. If truely the opposition pact is worth contesting and later on win, then that would be good for the democracy. The only problem is that the pact has no leader.
“never arguer with a fool because people might not notice the difference” or “Empty buckets make the loudest noise”. I think we are in real trouble as for as politics are concerned. I do not know what it will take to correct this. Maybe we should turn Zambia into a Kingdom??? Yaba kaya mwe
#47 Maybe we should team up and go back home and form a Party for the youth and future. What do you think?
# 48 i agree with you and you know this is the same thing will be going through forever even if they became presdients oneday. Time wasting ,no plan ,no vision no intelliegnce ouch.
35 3RqU, on your “#27 Maestro you`ve “lost me” there. May be there is nothing wrong with MMD. ” It seems you do understand what you are writing about. I thought yu categorised me in the group of those opposed to the MMD GRZ under President RB Banda, but I have been clear on this blog that Zambia is safe under President RB Banda than it would have been under honourable Sata MC (Grade 2/6, unkown). Howwever, President RB Banda has to leave the political scene and let young MMD leaders to take the leadership of that party.
On “Am I being thick? Clarify more.
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Psalm 16 + KJV Bible
8I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in…
Miss Daisy, lovely as ever, oh is it lovelier than ever. Well reading between your lines, i wish to differ, Great leaders are not born but are made. They rise through the ranks to eventually take on the responsibility. Obama did not just a run company so well as to assume the office he occupies. We need people who can deliver and job on traing people. HH is NOT fit, maybe MAGANDE. When magande tried to bail out zambian airways, every one condemed him, yet the same much praised OBAMA bailed AIG,GM,etc Your smile brings so much joy to my heart.
People RB has no plans where development and ruling a nation is concerned. On the one hand, he’s very active when it comes to welcoming leaders from other countries. He’s even gone to an extent of giving a piece of land to Mswati. Has any leader ever given him a plot. His deeds are extreme. All because just like any other MMD member, they believe “title is bought”.
On the other, he never even comes out when it comes to tackling serious problems facing the nation. He keeps quiet and all his people can do is to come up with the worst solutions a nation has to offer.
So, MMD must go ASAP. The more time they are given to stay in power, the more they will steal and ruin Zambia. Apart from that MMD is full of irritating faces. Looking at them, one sees no seriousness in them.
ONE THING FOR CERTAIN This man Machungwa knew that LPM could not tolerate double standards thats why he thought of going to PF and possibly because he was not adopted to be MMD MP so as to stand on the MMD ticket so the thind was to join the opposition so as to still be MP and talk against the same party that put him there through the people who voted for the party. What should happen now is like what they do in Bostwana and South Africa. When one votes the person does not vote for the person but for the party if one misbeahaves and is taken away from the party they just replace the MP without by elections. They woud have solved the problems of these rebel MP.What would you expect a rebel to do, do you think a rebel can support that which he has rebeled against, its nothing new machungwa.
Miss Daisy, will you marry me? Will you be my wife? My only wife?
This iz not about the success/failure and or constitutional/unconstitutional nature of the impeachment attempt, but the manner of reporting. If only the Times of Zambia could also make headlinez of thoze advocating for the said impeachment…
#47. Miss Daisy am just a bit confused you stil are looking great but there is a question i have…you look kind of different and looks like you have traveled from where you were..the other times you had a south African flag now you have an american flag. so are you the same MIss Daisy or you are a different one..by the way the language is different from the other Miss Daisy…tell me about it…that is if you dont mind…
Hey bloggers, this is what I found:
“Massive evidence has come to our attention as a nation which shows that
the Rupiah Banda administration has severely and with impunity gone ahead to act unconstitutionally on several matters. They have chosen to spit on the same Constitution they swore to defend and as a matter of fact, evidence is pointing to the fact that President Banda was sworn into office by the Chief Justice whose continued stay in office is a breach of the Constitution itself.” Do zambians know this?
Zambians should study the constitution carefully, so that politians don’t take us for a ride. To impeach RB on such grounds should be practicable, so that leaders know that zambians should not be taken for granted whenever they feel like. Let’s show RB that he’s fooling…
Manchungwa you are right, they must provide evidence for them to talk about impeachment and not just talk about what they don’t understand. Please you greedy politicians just wait for 2011 and have clean elections once you have convinced the electorate on what you will do for them so that you can win their votes. Don’t rush to state house just wait for your time coz even if you get there tomorrow you won’t change the livelyhood of all zambians but only for yourselves and those close to you. Same kind of selfish politicians we have. What a nation. God help us
any other news?
53.. Thats is the plan… first i must make enough loot to buy myself a convertable Audi TT and not tax payers money..#56..Personal honestly speaking, i think a leader is born..it has to be in someone to be a leader, it has to be a passion, look at obama, matima Ghandi, Nelson Mandela??…not turning a blind eye that a great leader can be made though…#58… flattered but….#60.. am the same person and how has my active vocubulary changed? The flags, well its just a change of moderms….
Let’s be rational in debating national issues. The 18 PF rebel MP oppose the impeachment on ground of lacking merit. Both Sata and HH have failed to advance reasons. While the rebel PF MPs are have sinned aganist Sata and PF, it does not mean everything they do and say is crap. The bottom line is Sata and HH know that this impeachment is non-starter… but hay this is politics… they need to be ssen to ‘active’ whether for the good or not.
The 18 MP’s don’t know which side of their bread is buttered, lets wait for 2011, they shall have a fair share of their judgement. In a democracy, the opposition provides checks and balances not talking for the sake of their pockets. Muzachiona 2011 is just around the corner
You have already failed us, we do not anything progressive from the rebels
All we doing is complain. Iam also not happy about what is happening to our country all the politicians just fighting for plot one without thinking of the people they are serving.
I might not have any solutions but am sure of one thing,democracy is about participation in decision making and our leaders are supposed to execute those decisions.Is what they are doing a reflection of our desires or needs.
Are you solving anything by insulting?Ask yourselves.maybe its some sort of relief without solving the real problem.
Bloggers , impeachment can only be done for beachibg of the constitution and there is no evidence that the constitution has breached. Corruption and poor governance do not in themselves amount to breaching of the constitution
In light of “The MMD has 81 MPs, PF 40, and UPND 22, while the United Liberal Party has three and UNIP one member” and that President RB Banda has lied to the whole world that he got 100% votes from Northwestern Proince including having all MPs and Councillors while the mighty UPND Team has got 2 MPs there and a number of councillors, I would like to read that President RB Banda has apologised for lying and subsequently taken action, say firing, those that mis-informed him to make very terrible statements like that.
Otherwise, it will appear he likes lying and being cheated.
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Psalm 16:
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
71 continued.
If President RB Banda does not do the required above in the interest of his own image building, may Cabinet and the Chief Justice constitute a medical board to see whether he is incapacitated as the Republic of Zambia Constitution.
This is an emergency to save us Zambians from shame across this world where people read about what we are doing and saying in and out of our great Country borders through the Internet.
Have a blessed day all as I wish President RB Banda all the very best in his (hopefully) commitment to serve Zambians properly.
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Psalm 16:
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
#65 is that the plan? When then? I can see some people want to marry already. Too many RB’s, jumas and Muswatis on this blog
Impeaching a president in our country is a dream, even though the president had a minority government in parliament. The reason why this cannot happen is because of a disease we suffer in our country called POVERTY!!! All these things we talk about in our country are for the western world. So lets not waste time talking about impeaching a president when we all know it will never happen for two reasons:
1) The MP in parliament can easily be corrupted because of the poverty they experience in their home
2) The people pushing for an impeachment do it for their selfish needs not because of their patriotism. Because of this, they will find some unnecessary issues to table in parliament as reasons for impeachment, making the motion weak as a joke!
Well it is a campaign strategy, it is all tactics we all know impeachment is an impossibility.
read in between the lines.
#55 Maestro where did I talk about Satat?
The first thing that is rotten is the same thing you bloggers are calling the Zambian constitution.The constitution of Zambia is there to foster and protect the interests of the bastards in power.Zambia has an oppressive constitution with so many loopholes for the vampires in power to twist and suit only there desire.Many foolish bloggers say we need to do something to develop our Zed when the MMD GRZ policy makers do everything to frustrate our efforts.Any idea or opinion contrary to their inept way of doing things is crashed with maximum force.Life is too short,thats why I migrated to save myself and my family,now its all good for me and my family!! I feel sorry for the people left in Zambia the sinking Titanic.
76 3RqU, on your “#55 Maestro where did I talk about Satat?“. Firstly, what or which Satat? Secondly, assuming you are referring to Sata (Grade 2/6, unknowm), I thought you mentioned about me being in the opposition. The PF leader is in the opposition and hence my reference to him.
Anyway, never mind about my commenting on him and just take the words which satisfy your accusation that I am in the opposition.
Have a good day and regards.
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Psalm 16:
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
The ballot and elections have failed Zambians.There is no democracy but a quasi-dictatorship.3 things not worth having in zambia are,parliament, it serves no purpose mps just sit discuss nonsense and wait to be paid,judiciary is just there to dispense and inflict injustice on the poor,the executive(president) is to inept to hear the cries of suffering citizens.Being a country of docile people especially the youth this trend is sure to stay far beyond 2011.
In Zambia we have a constitution that is dificult to breach as is such a confused one.Any breacher easily finds a way in the same constitution to escape the breaching they’ve done.Ruling Zambia without a consitution would serve us much better than having a bunch of useless papers that play no purpose for the good of the citizens but is only there to suit the wishes of people in power.What good thing has parliament done in the last 2 decades?Police breach the constitution every minute, ” someone should only be held up to 48hrs without charge,” says the thing you call constitution,yet suspects stay weeks and are beaten to submission.Police don’t look for evidence,they panel beat suspects for the evidence.The constitution pays a blind eye to gross human rights abuses.
Is the Calibre of People Seeking to Rule in Doubt?
IT is clear that the so-called impeachment motion some members of the opposition Patriotic Front (PF) and United Party for National Development (UPND) want to move in Parliament has no backing from a cross section of Members of Parliament within their ranks.
Today, Luapula MP Peter Machungwa, representing 18 MPs dubbed ‘rebels’ by their party because they are attending the National Constitutional Conference, is categorical in stating that he and his colleagues will not support the motion.
Some UPND MPs have also expressed misgivings over the matter and are obviously not in favour of the move. Dr Machungwa’s reason for condemning the impeachment manoeuvres is that the president has not violated the Constitution.
Article 37 of the Constitution stipulates the conditions under which an impeachment motion could be instituted against a president if the office holder had violated the Constitution.
So far, the opposition MPs championing the move have failed to state their reasons apart from saying the president had violated the Constitution. But which parts of the Constitution has the president violated?
Their failure to pinpoint the violations leaves one to conclude that their machinations are misguided if not frivolous. An impeachment motion can be instituted through a notice given to the Speaker in writing and signed by at least one-third of Parliament, representing 53 MPs.
Simple mathematics will show that the PF only has 22 MPs not in the so-called ‘rebel camp’ plus the 22 for the UPND,…
But even among the 44 MPs from both the PF and UPND, there are some who have not come out in the open that they do not support the calls for impeachment. One therefore wonders why they are insisting on this debate even when it is clear that it is a non-starter.
Should this country be embroiled in such cheap politicking at the expense of serious issues affecting the nation such as the global economic crisis? The insistence by some opposition members from the PF and UPND to push a theory that the country is in a crisis warranting impeachment of the president makes us doubt the calibre of people seeking to rule us at any cost.
Maestro I do not know why what I said can be misconstrued to mean something totally different. I never accused you of anything. Satat was just a typo I bet it turned out to be a big thing! Saying you are opposed to the MMD government does not mean you are in opposition. I have to go and sing God bless the queen now. Take care.
3RqU.
I have your number now,though i wanna you confirm something to me.Is that a landline or a cellphone number?What is the international area code?
Good day bro!
84 3RqU cool and go well following your “I have to go and sing God bless the queen now. Take care“.
Have a blessed day.
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Psalm 16:
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
President RB Banda has lied again according to th POST which reported ““I thank my party MMD for being the national party, what they are, that in the last election they proved that they are a party for everyone in this country because my candidature proved wherever I stood because I stood in all 150 constituencies. I was either number one or number two. We were seven of us, I was never number three in any constituency, Your Majesty.” for there only 4 presidential candidates in the 2008 by-election namely: HH, Sata, B. Gen. Miyanda and President RB Banda. Incapacitation? _
Psalm 16:
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
Why does LT and government run media persist in perpetuating the fiction that these 18 individuals are PF MPs? To the best of my knowledge, these guys were expelled from the PF and are just hanging on to their positions because of an indeterminate injunction they managed to get from our less than independent courts of law. During the last Presidential bye- elections, most of them vigorously campaigned for the MMD Presidential candidate. And these are the people being referred to as PF MPs!! Just how different is our perception of reality?
#88 -Surely the issue in regard to the topic we are discussing is about numbers? Whether they are PF or rebel PF MPs or MMD plants is of no relevance as Satana and crown prince HH will not be able to get the numbers of MPs they require in order to move this thing forward. Perhaps now they can try and come up with credible policies and choose a leader for the fight in 2011 instead of wasting their time on this farce?
Let the UPND-PF PACT MPs table the impeachment motion in Parliament and voting on the motion that is done by secret ballot will solve all your confusions about numbers.
Zambia Forward — in tune with the UPND-PF PACT for accelerated socio-economic development.
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Psalm 16:
8 I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
9Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
Foolish mps. Stupid