PATRIOTIC Front vice- president Guy Scott has said PF president Michael Sata is the most suitable and widely accepted leader to assume the Republican presidential candidature for the PF-UPND pact.
Dr Scott said the results of the recent opinion poll were consistent with the 2008 presidential election results in which Mr Sata got twice higher votes than his partner Hakainde Hichilema who trailed in a distant third.
Mr Hichilema has viciously condemned the research results and accused CPD of receiving funding from the MMD to discredit the pact formed last year with the main objective of fielding one candidate in the 2011 presidential elections.
The opinion poll, conducted in Lusaka, Southern, Copperbelt, Luapula and Northern provinces—PF/UPND pact strongholds—found that Mr Sata was the most preferred candidate compared with Mr Hichilema and that the alliance was not sustainable because of the politics of ethnicity.
Dr Scott said it would not make sense to disregard the research findings having observed the previous election results where the PF leader had always garnered the highest number of votes than Mr Hichilema.
“The research shows that nothing much has changed in terms of the popularity of the two candidates,” Dr Scott said in an interview.
The PF vice-president said the technical committee in the pact would not select the candidate on the basis of the CPD research findings but form the basis of factors to be considered in its search for a candidate.
“That cannot come as a surprise to anyone because Mr Sata got twice as much as Mr Hichilema in the 2008 presidential elections. But we cannot make a decision on the basis of the research we will continue talking,” Dr Scott said.
Dr Scott said the results could not have changed because the same people who voted in 2008 were the same ones who were contacted during the research.
The Lusaka Central MP said Mr Sata was clearly the most popular leader between the two leaders and that such results would always reflect in any future election.
During the 2008 presidential by-election held after the death of president Levy Mwanawasa, Mr Sata got 38.13 per cent (683,150) while Mr Hichilema received 19.70 per cent (353,018).
The election was scooped by President Banda who got 40 per cent of the total votes cast representing 718,359 votes.
Meanwhile, United Liberal Party secretary general Langton Sichone has said the anger expressed by Mr Hichilema against the opinion poll results was not the solution to the issues raised.
Mr Sichone said ethincity would always be a factor in the sustainability of the pact because of its history and also the history of the two political parties.
He said Mr Hichilema should avoid burrying his head in the sand but seek solutions to the findings of the opinion poll.
[Times of Zambia]
Scott should shut – up or else he is making confusion, we know our pact reader to be, why waste time talking about it. Let MMD get a shock come 2011 when the CB REALY SHIMAINI will react.
18.13% + 19.70% That’s were the Pact need to focus. I don’t support any political party but I think Zedians need some change this time around.
On “PATRIOTIC Front … [,appointed-by-unelected-MC-SATA, unelected-vice-leader] Guy Scott has said PF president Michael Sata is the most suitable and widely accepted leader to assume the Republican presidential candidature for the PF-UPND pact… The Lusaka Central [PF] MP said Mr [PF/MC] Sata was clearly the most popular leader between the two leaders and that such results would always reflect in any future election,” it is interesting to note that Hon Guy Scott has become a false prophet. With PF appointed-by-SATA General Secretary confirming that he is among anti-Jesus-Christ believers, it appears PF has of self-made false prophets and I hope PF MP Hon Kambwili will push his PF party to displine his leader Guy Scott before UPND disciplines UPND’s Joe Kalusa.
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Matt…
Question to all you conspiracy theorists, with you head firmly buried in the sand and your back side pointing straight at the hot summer sunshine: HOW MUCH DID MMD PAY GUY SCOTT TO DISTABALISE THE PACT?
Guy Scott u are a senior memeber of the PF. I expect you to use the right channels whithin the PACT. I expect such comments to come from junior sponsored cadres, not you. U are too senior to start up a quarrel with Junior UPND cadres. Yes the issue of Candidate must be sorted out But this is an issue Guy u should address with Mr. Sata. We need the PACT to succeed. MMD has been celebrating the moment cracks started appeariong within the PACT. let us not give MMD a chance to win. Rememebr MMD was coming out 1st or 2nd in 2008 elections. Incumbancy, levy’s body used for campaign & resources were on their side. Same in 2011. PF & UPND must not go it alone. We will regret IT.
Scott on one hand is adamant that Sata is the most popular and right person to lead the Pact,he says lets go for a convention to pick the leader.
HH is going into this marriage with the risk of becoming less popular with his people after predictably losing to Sata.
Harry Mwaanga Nkumbula did erode his powers in the same way by conceding territory of ANC to UNIP.
There will be a third force required to which either Sata or HH can appeal for support to dislodge RB and the MMD.
Is our constitution tailored for a coalition GOVT?
When Joe Kalusa spoke at the press conference, most of you bloggers said he was paid by MMD to distabilise the pact, BUT HOW much do you think GUY SCOT (PF vice president) was paid by MMD to distablise this PACT????????
Just admitt there is a problem which does not involve MMD.
This is Circus 101 founded on precepts of failed Horse and Rider agenda.
Scott is now annoying!!! let them disband the so called pact. they attack each other too many times…NO HOPE FOR ZED UNTIL I BECOME A PRESIDENT MYSELF.
This Doctor of yours is not meant well for the pact…!!! I guess there are some people who want HH to be presidential candidate.. Now scot has seen this,, he want to destroy the pact all together,,, the truth of the matter is,,, if they put sata,, they will be no pact…!!! If they allow HH the pact will still be there not other way round…!!! Dr. Gay scot is assured of been appointed as vice president should sata wins hence his endless outburst….!! The issue here is not about popularity but keeping the pact together until the election time…!!!! This talking is not gud..for the pact and UPND are aware of what this fool is saying. we know sata got more votes but he did not win hence he need HH,, so what is he talking scot after all you are not a zambian but a foregner,, behave man.
While losers tear each other, State buys agro tools for women’s groups
GOVERNMENT has procured 150 hammer mills and Family Drip Irrigation Systems which will be distributed to women’s groups in all the constituencies as a way to promote women’s economic opportunities.
Gender and Women in Development Minister Sarah Sayifwanda said when she launched the distribution of the hammer mills and the irrigation systems yesterday in Lusaka that there was need for measures which would effectively address the plight of women in order to attain development objectives.
She said the procurement of the hammer mills and the irrigation systems was an initiative that arose from the National Gender policy which calls for the creation of a development fund.
“You may wish to recall that back in 2009 Parliament unanimously agreed to appropriate K5 billion as a grant for women empowerment.
“Now the Government has procured 150 hammer mills plus Family Drip Irrigation Systems to benefit women groups in all constituencies,” she said.
Oowe! There goes the last bit of what was left of the pact. Zed is doomed with HERB back into power next year. Whats wrong with these politicians? HERB will finish them off when he bounces back into power 2011, it will be “Lesa kumulu, HERB panshi”. UNIP is back :((:((:(([-([-([-(
The trained women were being linked to financial institutions like the Inter-Market Banking Corporation for soft loans as start up capital.
The minister said the hammer mills and the irrigation systems would reduce the time and energy to process their food and attend to their gardens.
“This will allow the women to perform other critical tasks which are necessary for the welfare of their families,” she said.
She thanked the Ministry of Finance and National Planning for releasing the funds and the Members of Parliament for their various contributions to the process of procurement of the hammer mills and irrigation systems.
She said the hammer mills had been supplied with a back up of spare parts by SARO Agri business who were also training operators for the equipment.
She urged women to take proper care of the equipment to benefit from the hammer mills and irrigation systems.
“May I be categorical that these mills are meant for women’s clubs. Please let us not divert them to different recipients,” she said.
SARO farm machinery manager Jabes Mbewe said the hammer mills were manufactured locally.
Munali MP Mumbi Phiri and her Mandevu counterpart Jean Kapata briefly appeared at the handover ceremony at Government Stores.
…as I said, this the start of the end…I’m not pro-MMD but I’m seriously beginning to think maybe, just maybe, Rupiah should continue.
Govt launches youth plan
THE Government has launched the 2010-2014 youth development strategic plan, which provides a framework for effective administration of child, youth, sports and HIV/AIDS programmes.
Speaking at the launch Sport, Youth and Child DevelMminister Mundia Ndalamei said that the preparation of the plan was not an easy task undertaken by his ministry and the Management Development Division (MDD).
Mr Ndalamei said that the strategic plan was an important tool as it set out how the ministry would achieve its goals of helping improve the status of the youth in the country.
He said that in order for the strategic plan to succeed, it should be communicated to the youths so that it positively impacts on them.
Mr Ndalamei said youths had a unique role to play because they comprised 68 percent of the population.
RB must be laughing at the circus happening in the pact. UPND may just as well make a pact with the MMD they ve got nothing to lose either way. At least a pact with MMD will guarantee them power in 2016 and the vice presidency in 2011. Scott wants to be vice president under the pact but where will this leave HH?
He said the Government had continued to help the youth and at the end of 2009, many of them had been trained in various skills.
The strategic plan sought to improve infrastructure, reform youths and improve the capacity of sports associations so that they would become independent and help the country attain the middle income status.
MDD permanent secretary Nedson Lisati said the challenge that still remained was the restructuring of institutions under the Ministry of Sport, Youth and Child Development.
Although the pact is the best way to remove MMD, it can not not work. The reasons are many and range from tribalism to iliteracy, from selfishness and liking money too much to the existing corruption. I know HH and Sata will agree but what about their supporters. Who gets what among the supporters for making Sata president or Hakainde President. PF is remaining with very few votes to beat MMD so just go it alone. Even if one says go for a convetion, there will be splinter groups at the end of the day. PF just work hard and stop planning as if MMD is not planning.
He said that there was need to commercialise sports institutions to avoid over-dependence on the Government adding the plan should not be seen as an end in itself but as a vehicle for youth development
#7 Good point my man, that is the point I was trying to make in my post on #4, what can both PF and UPND cadres now say? Wait till you see HH lose it and abandon the PACT and we shall see what your next accusations will be. They claimed John Kalusa was a small fish and we easily bought him, now what do they have to say with Gay Scott.
Luapula women hail first lady’s food security drive
WOMEN in Kawambwa District of Luapula Province have paid glowing tribute to First Lady, Thandiwe Banda, for her commitment to promoting food security in the country.
The women, who turned up in their hundreds at St Mary’s High School where Mrs Banda was donating an assortment of goods to various women support groups, said more women had joined farming as a result of the first lady’s encouragement.
“We are very grateful for your encouragement; we now have about 57 women groups in the district, which is unprecedented. Many more women are now joining the groups and we have realised that in farming it is easier to survive,” said Rosemary Kabungo, a spokesperson of the women groups in the district.
“We have so many orphans here and widows, but because of farming we are now able to support them. We are also asking for more support on farming inputs such as seeds and fertiliser to expand our production.”
By Times Reporter
The first lady is in Luapula Province to inspect women’s ongoing developmental projects, and make donations to the existing support groups. In Kawambwa, she donated sewing machines, bags of fertiliser as well as of maize seed.
“Some women have been trained by FAO (the Food and Agricultural Organisation); I am happy and humbled to have facilitated and I promise to continue working with you women,” Ms Banda said.
The first lady said women were the most affected by hunger and there was need for them to get fully involved in farming.
“Hunger is best judged and seen in the eyes of women. This is why we should all get into farming and improve household food security.
“Let’s work hard as women so that Zambia will not be hungry. Hunger must be flushed out of our houses,” she added.
Guy scott seem to be biased towards his party. Is this the confusion we were expecting or there is some more to come? Viva MMD
Ms Banda has so far donated to women support groups in Chiengi and Nchelenge.
She was later yesterday scheduled to meet women support groups in Mwense District before proceeding to Mibenge and Mansa for similar programmes.
Meanwhile, Global Commodity Market Institute has said the first lady’s tour of Northern Province and helping the women should not be politicised because she has been working with women groups for some time.
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#4. Your question is very valid. Who can respond to our big man?
This st.u.pid pact is very annoying. It was our only hope, and now this muzungu decides crash it completely before we could even see its fruit. HERB, isn’t that bad after all. He just needs good guys besides him………………….Viva HERB
As been claimed by pact cadres here that Joe Kalusa is bought by mighty MMD for whatever value, available evidence holds that actually its Gay Scott a long time voice of imperialism who is now on a full payroll of embattled Commissioner Tom Carter. Carter is working on orders of indentifying user friendly stooges who would help in restoring the failed attempt to take over what blair was denied at a give away under Chiluba. Alas, its a vanity money shredding project because its MMD beyond 2011. Carter is neither a shaker or mover in internal democratically managed elections.
ala mukadabwa sana ba MMD! muzakaona kwati fyaku bantu. nipano tuli
Most bloggers here are behaving like soccer fans who despite being aware of their team’s weaknesses still insist that their team would win. Remember South Africans at the World Cup? That is exactly how the pact affiliates are behaving;they can’t be objective because they are drunk with hate and affinity for state house.Work up pact MMD has covered a lot of mileage.We are calling for general elections in May.You will have no time.
Whether black or white ubupuba bwa pa zed will always show in some people. Guy Scott thinks the best candidate should be judged by popularity and not capability. Whether Sata or HH stands, the pact will likely get the same votes. Echilefwaya bu vice presido!!
The ugly truth….very unfortunate but still the truth.
#31 God created man in HIS own image.
Hey Mwata, can you please find some other blog to post your rubbish. For goodness sake we have already read that sh.i.t
scott is a muzungu and will not lose anything..he’s destabilizing the pact..let the pact break up and staa will never be president of this country..HH doesn’t lose anything..he has a long way to go..he’s young and rich..PF is surely useless..
Just like I said those condeming kalusa should first tell scott to shut up he made clear with Sata’s blessings that UPND is not a factor in the PACT this shows that Sata just wants to UPND to ascend to power and then leave them in the cold just like he did to Sakwiba after stealing most of sharp minded MPs in the name of Lubinda and late Mtonga. If UPND still wants to in the PACT it will be finished just ULP come 2011. HH was warned by Sakwiba when they formed the PACT last year.
Guy Scott and the likes have a twisted way of understanding issues. The so called opinion poll was conducted in Northern, Luapula, Lusaka, C/B and Southern. It is common knowledge that four of these areas are PF strongholds and only Southern Province is for UPND. Zambia is not made up of these 5 provinces only. Who would the people of Eastern, Central, Western and North Western prefer between Sata and HH? No need to guess because HH will come out tops. There is no doubt that this so called opinion poll was sponsored by MMD and their aim is to have Sata as the pact candidate. MMD are worried about HH leading the Pact because they know that most voters who supported RB in 2008 in WP, N/W, CP, LusP and SP will support the Pact. They know that such voters are unlikely to switch to Sata.
UPND has punished its member who comment carelessily on the PACT but that has not happened in the PF. UPND should think twice about this crooked master mind of the third term Sata.
…cont from 43: If HH leads the Pact voters in cosmopolitan areas of Lusaka and C/B will easily be influenced to vote for him. Luapula voters are likely to go MMD because of the Chiluba factor but Northern province voters are likely to be split between Pact and MMD. MMD have done their homework and that is why they are desperate for Sata to be chosen as Pact president. They have already put some mechanism in place to instill doubt and fear in UPND supporters and those MMD supporters leaning towards UPND in areas like W/P and N/W P about the dangers of having Sata as president. Let those with eyes see and those with ears hear this message!
HH is the best for the pact because he understands issues unlike the partner who just knows how to throw stones.HH can make it even alone coz this is Sata’s last chance and he is not likely to make because he thinks popular when he is not UPND she pull out of this useless PACT
3 Secret Meetings have been held so far between Sata and HH. A deal is in sight most likely HH will be executive Prime Minister after the Pact Wins. Senior Citizen and MMD butt.licker start parking your bags
Guys, have you seen this BHARTI seek’s State House’s intervention over Zain share price in the post?
Pretty sad!!!!!
# 45 you are right if HH leads the PACT it will be easy to convince people but not this Sata who called other regions as batocks people have not forgeten and these are the same people he wants to use to ascend to power.
You should be a fool to ignore the truth… I thought most bloggers think! If the pact succeeds then Guy Scott, Nsanda, Mumbi Phiri et al the semi iliterates will lose out of possible cabinet posts and have to give room to HH, Matongo, and his creame of educated engineers, accountants etc.
it does not make sense in zed politics.
this muzungu is testing the waters! the earlier HH does a kamalondo and re-assesses his options the better. He can talk Rb and cut a mture deal …. VP minister of Finance and 5 deputy ministers
VJ is talking to those who can politically think in UPND.
Good luck1
I don’t expect such words to come out from your mouth as a senior person like you.ba guy behave.
Mwata, sorry for having attacked you earlier but i thought you should see this:-
UPND Spokesperson, Charles Kakoma, told QFM in a telephone interview that the pact will only come up with the presidential candidate once all programmes, guidelines and regulations to address the contentious issues between the two parties are finalized.
Mr. Kakoma was responding to calls from UPND Lusaka province youths for the pact leadership to announce the 2011 presidential candidate in order for them to kick-start campaigns for whoever will be the presidential candidate.
Mr. Kakoma says the pact leadership knows what it is doing, calling for calm and patience from those calling for the pact’s presidential candidate to be named.
He explains that a committee working on the programmes, guidelines and regulations to address the contentious issues in the pact must be given enough time to finalize its work.
…..cont #32 He says it would not be prudent for the pact to pressurize the committee working on these issues because doing so will compromise its work.
Mr. Kakoma maintains that the delay in making the presidential candidate known is a planned move, adding that the candidate will be made known at an appropriate time.
Maybe that’s what has upset Scot, tapali ichakwe
# 50 Sata thinks differently he can not give HH vip when he has his own right hand men who were there to see PF grow since 2001 when chiluba single handedly picked Levy to be the MMD candidate. mark my words and see what happens when the PACT wins. Why is Scott so Vocal because he has the blessing of Sata
Guy Scott is right dont run away from Facts , SATA had more votes than HH and if you want to win the electons as a PACT the only way is to allow SATA to stand. But unfortunetly neurals like me would rather the break i cant imagine MC SATA in state house then the country would go to the dogs…..RB isnt good but MC Sata is a cobra!!!! But if its God wish that MC SATA rules us then it shall be. The moment both go their separate ways , get this right both will have it difficult to be president of this country.
Kafupi looks really finished just like red lips!!!!! we just counting a days or months now.
God please bless Zambia we dont know where these stupid leaders are taking us!
Where is Kambili and many others from PFto discipline this Scott because he wanted Joe Kalusa to be diciplined for calling on the PACT leadership to explain on how they are going to put more money in our pockets
Ba Guy Scott should not talk like this. PF need UPND to win elections. How many times has Sata been dribbled and if he stands as PACT president they will dribble him again. The fact is MMD and other international communities dont want Sata to be president of Zambia at all costs. HH stands a better chance than Sata. People just have to look accept this fact and look at things at a different angle.
# 55 you may be right my dear but with Sata leader the PACT that is the end of it MMD will make most of the members in UPND react sharply. mwanachingwala, Chizhyuka and others who are quiet will make sure the PACT is in disarray.
Teka fitalale, if the source of the story lacks credibility, how on earth would a reasonable person start reacting to it? The PACT has no news paper or a radio station where its members could air their views. As a result the Mwadya Mweka Daddy (MMD) vuvuzela newspapers are busy publishing these stories. I would be worried if any politician is to be labelled good in the Times of Zambia or the Daily Mail. The PACT continues!!
dennis,
prove that he called them buttocks. think before you talk. where you there? becoz the late Teta said so doesnt mean it was so. be factual
LT i believe is another tool for mmd i believe. you will never find any negative reporting bout mmd
point of correction fwaka, it should read “I would be worried if any opposition politician is labeled as good unless you support them like chizhyuka”
SOL # 61 I don’t to prove it Sata never REACTED, if did I don’t remember. even if he DID sata can never accept anything. He said thank you to levy for taking him to South when he was sick but after levy’s DEARTH what did we hear him say. taking ME to SOUTH was a political proper I hop am not making this up again SOL
MMD must go but with these problems am afraid. let just Sata accept to be vip those he said all he wants is to be at plot 1 nothing else as he has served in so many potfolios. Or may be to SOL this is not true. he doesn’t want to be at plot one he can accept to be vip
Scott, and most PF officials are amazing, why cant they be a bit diplomatic in there language if they mean well for the PACT, its seeming clear now that PF is no longer gaining from this marriage with UPND as it had originally thought. Even Mmembe had declared a media blackout for UPND and HH, to try and undo the gains UPND had made…
MMD will capitalise on all the cracks from the so called PACK AND GO.
MMD will win the 2011 elections again………………
LOL HA HA HA HA HA HH WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY AFTER THIS STATEMENT BY SATAS RIGHT HANDMAN. YOU THINK HE SAID IT WITHOUT SATAS BLESSINGS. HH REMOVE WAX FROM YOUR EARS AND LISTEN WECHIPUBA IWE
Can`t agree more…scote is dead right.
#1 is it Guy who conducted the opinion polls? He’s just making deductions from the results from the opinion polls conducted in all the provinces where the pact is popular including the Southern Province.
#47 To save HH from embarrasment he should just accept to either Prime Minister or V/ President to Sata. HH should not over rate himself he knows too well how he tribally brought down the Mighty UPND. Many people are doubting about his capacity to lead a nation.
Listen people, truth is that PF officials have never consented to this pact. When it was launched, Kabimba held meetings on the Copperbelt where he told them for him their only president was Sata and no one else. He said this at a PF meeting in Chingola. From that time, you could see clearly that whereas UPND were committed soul and body to the pact ideals, PF did not hence their decisions to field candidates in Chadiza and Kaoma where UPND was fielding candidates and the numerous statements from PF seeming attacking UPND and HH. HH and UPND have remained true to the call by Zambians to unite but PF is clearly engaging in disengaging tactics. It’s only us who is sincere and can be trusted
The ealier the pact disbands the better for the 2 parties. HH’s supporters will never vote for Sata and Sata’s supporters will never vote for HH. The way I see it there is no horse only riders, there is no horse cos they each want to ride on the popularity of the other. None of the 2 leaders will ever go to state house. They will always come 2nd and 3rd. They do not respect each other so if there is no respect how do they hope to work together. Foolish leaders and party cadres.
The Pact should put it cards on the table (manifesto) for the general citizenry to know what to expect when its forms government, God willing. Once this is done, this hullabaloo on who should lead the Pact won’t be there. It would appear the Pact’s preoccupation at the moment is to remove the MMD at all costs. What is it that you are going to do for the people of this country, is it just removing Mulongoti and replacing him with Kambwili or Mumbi Phiri? We don’t want to lose valuable time again.
If the pact fails, The MMD will scoop the polls as they have support all over the country and VJ on their side. If the pact succeeds, they have a very good chance of together defeating the MMD. The PF cannot win elections on their own. I know they are looking at the previous 40% and 38% the MMD and PF got respectively in the previous polls and hoping that they would close up and deafeat. Government machinery is amazing at VJ’s hands is amazing and Rupiah will sail through come what may as long as they are seperate. If the pact stays and Sata wins, the problem is that HH and his UPND will find themselves marginalised by the PF soon after gaining power. Mind you tongas and Bembas are not birds of the same feathers although they like marrying each other.
Surely all these type differences should have been ironed out by now? How long has this pact been in existence and up till now there is still no manifesto? If it is like this, how will they govern should they win next year? I thought that what Kalusa was asking for was reasonable. If RB calls for an early election they what happens? It seems that whoever is chosen as pact presidential candidate will cause some supporters to go to the opposition. I think HH is a better candidated because no way will certain provinces vote for Sata period.
Political allies can never work in our country. Just look at what happened between PF and ULP, UPND and FDD. PF, UPND please go your separate ways so that you have time to campgain for your leaders cos you are wasting time bickering. Soon the pact will start bickering on whose party ticket the candidate for Mpulungu shud stand. Meanwhile Thandiwe is already on the campgain trail.
Under what circumstances MMD has been granted another term on a silver plate. Running a country is not like a party it needs serious and committed people not comedians.The pact has crumbled worse than the titanic.Its history for King Cobra.Unfortunately again he has missed plot one he always dreams about.
It is not difficult for HH to let Sata stand. The problem is that then HH will find himself as sports minister like Bouldwin Nkumbula jumping up and down with youths until he later resigns due to deliberate frustration. Later he can even be killed like Nkumbula was to finnish off the tribe. But another Mazoka will arise should that happen. The only alternative is to join the MMD and give them the southern vote. It is not difficult for southern privince to vote for the MMD. The only problem is that SP hates thieving so much and with Chiluba close to Banda and also Banda’s own issues, HH may go to the MMD alone without any effect like Sakwiba Sikota and that will lead to his death politically. HH is in a serious dilemna. Maybe he should just go it alone and hope for 2016.
when we told you this pact thing was going nowhere, we were insulted left, right and centre. HH is finished as a politician, there are many young tonga bulls who can provide leadership in Zambia who are not encumbered with this nonsense that Zambia must have a tonga president. What about the other tribes who have never had a president. its the same with sata he faces a new breed of bemba’s with no baggage from the past that can provide better leadership than him. MMD will triumph and then in 2016 a totally new generation of Zambians will take over and consign the old style politics to the coffin forever
I pity HH and his band of opportunists………..
# 71. i pity you too…..
To all PF and MMD supporters who think that HH commands only southern province you need your head examined. Your tribal mental state is blurring reality and obscuring rational thinking in you. HH has the support of a lot of rational thinking Zambians across the country who have the best interest of nation at heart. He is the best suited presidential candidate to move Zambia forward. He is the only one of the three leading candidates not associated with the corrupt and hated FTJ. He is the one who represents and genuine generational change and a move away from stone throwing politics. What sort of change are the people envisaging Sata as president expecting? What really do you expect Sata to do different from what RB is doing? Tribal politics, violence, dictatorship will remain constant!
#55 your observation is right. People especially those that are afraid coz of there dirty dealings dont want Sata to become president. they know he will definitely deal with them as he has already stated “I will clean Zambia”. He might hav made some mistakes before but believe you me that he is a man of his words. Uulanda icishinka balamupata! Even big sugar dady and small kafupi know this. Bonse aba and there friends bakabandamuka 100mtrs coz they will be ask to account for their dealings.
All we need is change! These guys have overstayed in the system and every system can easily be manipulated if you stay with it for a long time. Like they came, they have to go.
As for Ba Guy, please reserve your comments atleast not this time coz HH and Sata are equally competitive candidates…
Gaddafi wants EU cash to stop African migrants
Despite historical tensions Col Gaddafi has forged friendlier relations with Italy Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi says the EU should pay Libya at least 5bn euros (£4bn; $6.3bn) a year to stop illegal African immigration and avoid a “black Europe”.
“We don’t know what will happen, what will be the reaction of the white and Christian Europeans faced with this influx of starving and ignorant Africans,” Col Gaddafi said.
“We don’t know if Europe will remain an advanced and united continent or if it will be destroyed, as happened with the barbarian invasions.”
black africa sitaaanyoko iwe! coming to news, is it hard for these fools to hold elections in their pact to choose leader? what is stopping them? zambians are useless, thats why i am married to a foreign woman. ba shiti imwe
Mainly uneducated people (Kaponyas), Bemba speaking people, those who believe they will benefit from Sata as leader of the pact will defend Sata as the sole candidate of the Pact. Similarly educated people (Economists, etc enlightened people), those who believe they will be beneficiaries from HH leading the pact, Tonga speaking people, Including those tribes that feel are the minorities in Zambia, will be quick to throw their allegiance to HH. Therefore the question here is of these two camps which camp brings the larger vote, which camp should be disappointed, but will not necessarily affect the total vote. We all know the answer to that, lets not beat about the bush, Sata brings the larger crowd, he brings the numbers, but is he a suitable candidate, of course not, on any day HH would…
Are Zambians educated or just noise makers? When Africa is celebrating freedom from the yoke of colonialism, Zambians are planning to bring a Copy of IAN Smith to state house (Guy Scot as V. President. What foolishnes!!! You are failing to acept a strong and legimate Zambian Given Lubinda the Position of V.President which could have made Sata alread in State house, bcos Lubinda is a Lozi. Where is the sense here? Lubinda is crowd puller, inteligent. With him as V.President, Sata coud be in State House long back. Who is Guy Scot going to attract? Lodge owners and British settlers?NEVER. SATA Tribalism is working better for him. 3times Losing. 2011 will be 4th time. Lubinda, you are too inteligent to work tribalist monkeys Please. Leave that Chi Pact Nonses.
What Scott is saying is not divisive but facts which could used to stregthn the pack. The problem with the pact with even Sata aluded to is tha HH and UNPD want a pack whose proportional representation is 50-50. This is a problem. It is a fact that Sata is overall more popular than HH not just based on research but also previous Presido election. The earlier HH and UNDP accept this the better for the pact. If PF and UNDP went the convetion with equal reps, the convetion presido result will not resolve the issue, PF will vote Sata and so will UNDP. This Pact presido can only be resolved thru a negotiated solution. And this only possible if both parties acknowldge the value it brings to the table.
Is the PACT a registered party? These guys should first dissolve the two parties and come up with one force called the PACT party or UPND-PF PACT party.The current arrangement is just for expedience in the by elections and it will not be recognised come 2011.They will still be seperate and different entities an wont be allowed to contest as such.What do others say?
#59 FWAKA, iwe chi kala stop misleading us,and who does the post trumpet?
Uyo chinyo wakupa just experiments on you.she must have been told about the strength of a black man in bed and that’s how she pounced on a lonely and stranded negro like you.you sound so excited about marrying a foreigner such that one can easily tell about your background.grow up boy,nga fyanakashi ifisungu fyalitalala twalifitomba sana
#90: wafulwa!! Lol, eee i have a dick, and call me what you like; given a choice, I would read the post and not Times. I read a lot, and do not waste time on skewed documents. Fulwa, its your right, but I can never insult you back, because ndi bolo, so be it. Ku Euro we protect the right for a person to air their views as you have just done. Tho you have no right to insult me on the blog, I totally agree with you, ndi ci colour, and thanks.
Atleast am happy tat the PACT and the POST are now the PAST shelved in the archives.Thank God..! have been having sleepless nite imagining SATAN as president—-God forbid..!
ON #91 i addresed #85 NDALYA LIVE
We are awaiting what prince cobra and his cabal of tribalists will say over this one.
Gay Scott again! Isn’t this Major Bob Astles in disguise?
For SATA read AMIN, for SCOTT read ASTLES, for KAMWILI read MARIA MUNGU ….
#82 Contrary to your views HH is seen to be an opportunist who benefitted from FTJ’s privatization programmes. He commands a limited number of people in S/Province, of late MMD has made significant in roads.
Democracy is good indeed but is usualy short of reality due to personal factors.
Dr. Guy Scott is right. Let Mr. Sata be the president and bring development to Zambia. He is a leader that Zambia needs now. He makes things happen and Zambia with so much inertia is what she needs. If you make a mistake and rig back the “Tourist President” you will have yourselves to blame for 5 years! Please vote Michael!
exactly no 97 HH is a big benefiociary of privatisation and he was a close buddy of the late penza and is a friend of valentine chitalu as well. HH has a big file waiting for him to fumble
My humble advice to the pact is simply disband.This is a matter of reasoning. Sata came second to Rb and HH was third. It is only wise that the second best is picked to lead the pact or else let each party go it alone while there is still time.
HH is the best man for Zambia, UPND should sponsor a candidate in Mpulungu if the pact has to win the seat .PF with its tribal remarks that happened in Kasama central can not win in Mpulungu.
# 102 it is not enough just to say HH is the best candidate.This should be compared to what his popularity nation wide and statistics are are there for all to see.Let us be logical in our analysis.Compare 2008 election results. And then ask your self who commands alot of popularity between the two.Otherwise the best option for HH and Upnd is to go it alone and let the people vote who they want to be their next republican president.
SATA LI BOLO, Sataanyoko iwe. eh just becoz i say foreign woman u conclude that she is white. typical zambian ignorance at its best. its funny how u zambians indirectly still worship white people. so wot if walibatomba avasungu?? u want an award? may be some food??u shithead. grow up. and to be honest yes ni musungu and sex ilanona mune. and for yo info i come from well to do background. my family is still in africa just not zambia coz zambians muli ba nyo imwe. stupid uneducated fools.u condom
You can see that out of the four provinces that were surveyed, three are Bemba centric where Sata has the most strength. Suffice to say HH is no longer a factor in Barotseland where Milupi whipped him recently so regardless, Sata would gunner more votes nationally than HH whose base seem to be shrinking everyday. Anyway, I think both this tribal baffons should be forsaken, the Pact should field Fred M’Membe.
Joe needs to learn to be abit Patient. Not sure but looks as though he was hoping to be appointed in the government and quit his Job at Kafubu Water (Ndola). From he was Secretary General for COBUSU, he’s the only one among the click besides Honourable Levy Ngoma (MP), who thinks politics is a way of life. Just continue working hard and make your money.
The Pact will not put accross any manifesto yet because MMD doesn’t have any and just copies anything that comes there way. The’re pure copycats, with no brains of there own. Remain been steadfast with the same zeal you’ve now to completely change the current regime. Do not forget to register as a Voter coz your vote is the one which will make a difference. God bless mother Zambia
104 NDALYA LIVE wamona musula wobe ati we can easily tell what kind of a character you are?you are not a big guy out there as you want to make us believe.you are just one immigrant who migrated at a tender age and has never had an opportunity to come back simply because you can’t afford an air ticketor you entered that country illegaly and can not come out due to lack of documents.so blow off your trumppet and come down to earth where yo belong
#38, I totally agree with you when you said, “The ugly truth….very unfortunate but still the truth.”
But, Zambians don’t like to here about the truth. Politiks is about numbers. HH hasn’t got the numbers. Worse still he hasn’t got the track record, too. HH himself, is on record for having said, “UNITED Party for National Development (UPND) president Hakainde Hichilema yesterday declared himself the most suitable candidate for the 2011 presidential election on account of his younger age and modern leadership posture”
Facts: HH wasn’t a factor in 2008 becuase he did not campaign enough and Voters were advised to consider HH for 2011 and give Sata the vote. City voters responded & gave Sata their votes so 2011 is for HH. In 2006 HH was new on the scene yet performed much better than Sata did in 2001. HH did not steal any money otherwise RB or Levy wouldhave bounced on him. He is just a shrewed businessman no wonder he was board director for 20 companies. Sata and RB are directly linked and have benefited from the most corrupt Zambian, FTJ. In fact Sata’s PF was funded by FTJ. Sata and RB are well know tribalist and violet leaders well groomed in UNIP days. HH represents real change and the sooner some people stop being jealousy of him the better for Zambia.
108 continues…While Guy Scott is also on record for having said, “PF vice-president Guy Scott said, however, that there was nothing wrong with Mr Hichilema declaring himself the right candidate…”, in response to HH’s claims. Here, it wasn’t even SATA who was making the pronnouncements. It was Guy Scott. If opinion polls were conducted even in Southern Province, but still SATA won- what does that tell? The man is very popular- simple. Why should they risk fielding a un certain candidate? Zambians be objective in your thinking.
from 110…The fact that you diaspora chaps hate SATA doesn’t mean the same is obtaining on the ground in Zambia. SATA identifies himself with the cross section of citizens. Likewise, the people of Zambia identify themselves with SATA. Most of You diaspora chaps don’t even visit Zambia to see the real situation- what’s happening. You are just like a dog (I am not saying you are) that backs at a thief who’s on the other side of the stream without venturing to cross the stream in order to catch the thief. You should be making efforts to visit Zambia. Thinking you will go there when the Chinese have developed it is being in a long pipe dream.
MMD is dead scared of HH leading the pact because they know that they will stand no chance. It will be easy to convince cosmopolitan CB and Lusaka voters to back HH as pact leader than it is to convince rural voters in Western, N/W, Southern and Central to back Sata. If Sata is chosen as pact leader voters in these rural provinces would opt for RB because they have a negative impression about Sata. It’s easier to sell HH in such areas as demonstrated in the Solwezi and Mufumbwe bye elections. Pitting HH against RB would clearly expose RB’s weak points. A contest between RB and Sata is like chosing between two identical twins.
#109, there is no one who is being jealous of HH. Fact is he’s a good businessman, but a very bad politician who can’t even make a decision when challenged. Case in point is when he accepted and lavished the idea of a Tonga assuming party presidency- a cry from UPND members. Of course one cannot completely rule out tribalism. But, it should be confined to MPs in other provincial districts and not on a party presidentiallevel. What I mean is- its rare that a Tonga can win a parliamentary seat in Lundazi and vice versa.
We don’t hate Sata, the man has too many skeletons in his closet for any political opponent to exploit. He has been in politics for too long and has angered a lot of people along the way. There are certain areas in Zambia were Sata is seen as a Demon or Satan. His name does not help him on this score. It’s unfortunate that most Northerners look at Sata as an angel while the rest of Zambia see him as a devil. I am sure the truth is in between but that is the reality Sata has to live with. I don’t see him increasing his vote proportion much if chosen as pact president because the rural UPND supporters will switch to RB. Urban voters look at issues differently and can easily be persuaded to vote for HH if he leads the pact. These are facts that can’t be ignored.
#41 Guy Scott is a Zambian in the real sense. Practically, he is more ZAmbian than even the people you perceive to be real Zambians-BLACKS. He even fights for you and me while ourselves are in fear to challenge authority. Appreciate what some of the Zambians are doing for the country. He is an employer, too. Is you and me employers?
#113: heThe UPND convention of 2006 had equal delegetes from all the 9 provinces of Zambia. Sakwiba Sikota was the acting UPND president and he oversaw the elections.Yes the tongas campaigned for their man and the other tribes supported him so what are you talking about. The truth is Sata is a tribalist and he has made a lot of tribal comments on alot of forums but most of you ignore that. Is it not Sata who advised the bembas in Luapula(2006) to vote for him because he would champion their interest? Is it not Sata who called the people of N/W Namazais? Is it not Sata who called the Mambwes fitundu? There are a lot tribal remarks Sata has made and some of you just turn a blind eye but you are quick to exploit any tribal comments from others. Did Sata condemn Kabwili or GBM for their tribal
SATA LI BOLO LOOL walila mune? where are u stationed? ati musula, bin long i heard that haha. awe mune i was in zambia last summer. voyi zambia will only develop if zambians change their way of thinking and attitude towards life. u are lazy people to be honest. due to my work i have travelled widely and been to places in asia and its amazing how hard working these people are. why cant we be like them? for u zambians the first aim is to get rich. how can u become rich overnight? think about it
#88, PanAfricanist you are one of the few bloggers who have objectively read, understood and analysed Guy Scott’s sentiments. Most bloggers are filled with hate for SATA. I used to hate SATA, too. But, not anymore after taking time to learn why most people do so. Peoples’ hate for SATA is out of his hate for lazy people. They did not like the fact that he did on-the-spot check for every work under his governance. When he was governor he used to were a short and wellies (gumboots in Zambia) and carry a shovel to go and join gabbage collectors at Lusaka town centre whenever gabbage overwhelmingly piles up. Labourers including office workers never liked him for this. They started by saying chabwela ciSATA to alert each other to ressume work. It eventually turned into King Cobra and he was…
from 118…usually unnoticedbefore he reaches the work site. He fired lazy ones- whether you are an office worker or a manual labourer on the streets. So,that hate has remained even with people who really don’t know why they are hating him. They just blindly join in. Its amazing how zambians fail to think by themselves. I think this is the right time for hard men like SATA to rule Zambia and really clean the house. SATA, means it. HH should just accept the numbers.
On “There is no doubt that this so called opinion poll was sponsored by MMD and their aim is to have Sata as the pact candidate. MMD are worried about HH leading the Pact because they know that most voters who supported RB in 2008 in WP, N/W, CP, LusP and SP will support the Pact” by 43 Zed Patriot, I believe the brother/sister has hammered the nail on its head.
MMD has done a good job in trying to distabilise the PACT but the mighty UPND Group’s sober and intelligent men and women have kept the PACT together. MMD even used Mr President RBB and his Vice-President of Zambia GK to remove the good university degree holder for President f Zambia clause just to force the PACT to anoint Mr PF/Sata as PACT 2011 presidential candidate so tha MMD wins the elections easily…
#102, you are very simplistic in your analysis. But, I am only happy that you don’t live in Zambia because you can help to make residents think subjectively and not objectively. If the opinion poll says SATA is more popular than HH- who are we to refute the results, especially that we were not even in the sample space? Mind you, losing this election to MMD again spells doom for more than 90% of Zambians. Most of them including HH will be killed. Don’t forget, Zimbabwe too soon. RB is turning or has already turned into Mugabe. He has made a lot of mistakes not to.
On ““… Mr Sata got twice as much as Mr Hichilema in the 2008 presidential elections. But we cannot make a decision on the basis of the research we will continue talking,” [PF-appointed-by-SATA-MC vice-leader Hon] Dr [Guy] Scott said“, it is true that Mr PF/SATA MC got about twice the perccentage or numbers of votes HH got in the 2008 election but this is not 2008 and so fresh election at a joint-convention must be held to test the popularity of HH and Sata MC in the PACT. Also, it is importatn for dull Dr Guy Scott to realise that the CPD opinion poll was held in 5 provinces of which 3 predominantly are Bemba-Speaking who support Mr PF rather than HH.
A needed popularity reflecting opinion poll is one that will be done in all 9 provinces’ rural and urban parts.
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#121 I find it laughable for you to say that RB is like Mugabe in one breath but support Sata who even copied the name of his party from Mugabe!! Dont kid yourself – a significant part of the Zambian population do not love Sata, infact they fear him. It is for this reason that he wont win whatever happens. If the pact chose him as their candidate, you can say goodbye to votes from many provinces period. It would be preferable for people to want to work because they have a stake in their work place not because they fear they can be summarily sacked. How can it ever be justifiable for a person to be sacked without the possibility of defending oneself? What will stop people from other political parties being sacked after falsely being accused of laziness?
Just watched the labour leadership contenders on BBC 4 (so issue based) – makes our politicians and voters alike in Zambia look like they are just crawling out of the caves!
We all want to be Presidents. Of course even I want to be president. Okay let’s just make every Zambian home and abroad Presidents of Zambia then we can all still live in our own houses all which we will call State Houses. That is the spirit of equality (Zambian style). We can then all share the rolls, presidential and others so that everyone will be happy!! There will be no political parties. The constitution of Zambia will be very short, only one line – WE ARE ALL PRESIDENTS AND WE ARE HAPPY, VERY VERY HAPPY INDEED.
#123. If I am called John it doesn’t necessarily mean that I am a white man. Most of the name people have are just copied. That does not mean you are going to behalf like that notable character. I once had a black African lecturer by the Adolf. There is one attribute people are not going to erase from SATA- he is a performer and results-oriented. Thats the man Zambia currently needs.
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UPND dares PF
AS THE United Party for National Development (UPND) and the Patriotic Front (PF) pact foray deepens, UPND spokesperson Charles Kakoma has dared vice-president Guy Scott to start campaigning for his party president Michael Sata.
Dr Scott declared yesterday that Mr Sata is the most suitable and widely accepted leader who should assume the presidential candidature of the PF-UPND pact.
Mr Kakoma, who is also Zambezi West member of Parliament, said Dr Scott must proceed and start campaigning just as other members of the pact who have their own candidates in mind will begin to campaign.
Mr Kakoma said this in an interview in Lusaka yesterday in response to yet another statement by Dr Scott that Mr Sata should be the pact presidential candidate.
Dr Scott was also quoted as saying the results of the recent opnion poll were consistent with the 2008 presidential results in which Mr Sata polled more votes than UPND president Hakainde Hichilema.
But Mr Kakoma said it is unfortunate Dr Scott has continued to issue statements that can cause instability in the pact.
He, however, said Dr Scott is entitled to his wish and opinion, adding that he can start campaigning for Mr Sata to be adopted as the pact’s presidential candidate as other members of the alliance will also campaign for a candidate of their choice.
Mr Kakoma said all members of the pact are free to start campaigning for the candidate of their choice.
“But what I know is that both leaders of the pact are supposed to come together and negotiate who will stand as a candidate of the pact.
“So Dr Scott can start campaigning if he wants but what I know is what I have just mentioned,” Mr Kakoma said.
Dr Scott said Mr Sata was clearly the most popular leader between the two pact leaders.
He said such results will always reflect in any future election.
And Mr Kakoma said he will consult other UPND members on whether its national youth chairperson Joe Kalusa should be disciplined for issuing statements against the pact and exchanging bitter words with PF national youth chairperson Eric Chanda.
He said he has not been briefed or read the papers on the clash between the two youth leaders of the pact hence was unable to comment effectively on the matter.
Mr Chanda challenged Mr Kalusa to resign from his position following his prediction that the MMD is poised to win the 2011 general elections.
But Mr Kalusa has maintained his prediction that the MMD will scoop the 2011 Presidential poll.
He charged that he will not be intimidated by any PF machinations to silence him because he is simply stating the truth.
We need the whole Zambian defence force to be present if and when the “Pact” convention will be announced because there will be real exchange of blows. Please those who don’t like RB do not accuse him of destroying the “PACT” which some of us called ” The marriage of inconvinience” right from it’s inception. While there is power in unity, in this instance the two parties have been like trying to mix oil and water- the scientists will tell you the result.
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