By Elias Munshya wa Munshya
Michael Sata is undoubtedly the most popular personality in Zambian politics. President Banda has admitted to being charmed by Sata. One of the reasons why Mwanawasa had to order Sata’s medical evacuation to South Africa when he suffered a stroke was due to the likeability or, for a lack of a better term, “the playability” of Sata. Mwanawasa quipped, “It is good to still have you alive”. President Chiluba had such allure for Sata that he affectionately called him “King Cobra.” Kaunda still warms up to Sata. Kaunda’s downfall could have been far much earlier had it not been for Sata’s populist politics as Governor of Lusaka.
Sata’s likeability is not limited to the presidents, however. To the ordinary millions in Zambia, Sata is likeable. When he addresses meetings be it in Lusaka, Luanshya or Lukashya, thousands turn up to see the Cobra. Even in the south where people seldom vote for him, when Sata visits Choma or Kalomo southerners turn up in numbers. Going by the numbers of people who went to see him in Mongu and Kalabo, it seems that the Cobra has charmed the West too. On whether these charms will translate into his election as president this year remains to be seen, however.
Sata’s opportunism is responsible for his popularity. Having noticed a crack in the Barotse wall, he is using it to gain attention in Mongu. Opportunism is a quality derided by many Zambians and yet admired by as many. Sata misses no chance to use people and events for his own benefit. When miners protested on the Copperbelt under the Mwanawasa regime for reasons unrelated to Sata, he claimed responsibility for their action. By so claiming, Sata had identified himself with the suffering of the ordinary folk. Mwanawasa was swift to lock him up for inciting violence and espionage. He was only rescued by the judiciary, even after the DPP had signed a certificate of indefinite detention for espionage—a very serious offence under our laws. To date, Sata has not been called back to answer those charges.
Sata’s alleged moral life also brings him into bracket of the common struggles for many people in Zambia. He does not fit the definition of a man of good morals and neither could “sober manners” be used to describe him. But it is this common flair and common touch that make him popular. No ordinary person would feel adjudged to be in Sata’s presence. Sata’s common flair makes him likeable as a person.
Recently, there had been talk of the need for moral men and women to take over politics. The major champion of this has been Nevers Mumba, who even authored a popular book on the subject “Integrity with Fire”. A stump political speech of Nevers’, centers on allowing people of integrity and character to join and participate in politics. Realistically, however, moral integrity seldom translates into political clout. Zambians do not necessarily like politicians simply because they have good moral character. Mumba’s crusade for more moral leadership is an ideal that lacks common and popular appeal. Given the choice between the ideal man and the real man, people in politics go for a real man since they identity themselves with a real person who faces the same challenges as they do. In politics, people seldom go for the ideal character that makes it difficult if not impossible to become. Thus, between Mumba and Sata, Sata would be more likeable because the masses see themselves in him. This is more reason why using Sata’s family scandals to bring him down has not worked.
Sata is liked because he is seen as a practical person. Robbed of complex theoretical analyses, Sata reduces everything around him to its utility. He is a utilitarian politician par-excellence. For him education should be able to translate into practical benefit. Thus, when he was minister of health he removed all hindrances that made it difficult for Zambia Enrolled Nurses to become registered nurses. He categorically encouraged many ZENs to enrol and become RNs.
Chiluba last year castigated Sata for failure to write MMD minutes in proper English. He crudely compared Sata’s English writing skills to writing “Taiwanese.” But this is now. When Sata was actually writing wrong syntax, Chiluba found no problems with him at all because of the political benefits he derived from having a populist figure as his National Secretary. Zambians do not care about written English as much they do about whether their leader would be able to care practically for their interests. Sata understands very well that politics is not about writing English as much as it is about meeting people in compounds and drinking “katata” with them. Given the choice between a good writer and a caring person, it looks like the people of Zambia like a caring person better.
In these 2011 elections, Sata will be very difficult to beat, partly because people are just frustrated with Banda and partly because of Sata’s personal touch. On the common front, Hakainde Hichilema’s failure to work on popular characteristics has downgraded him to a third level candidate.
What is most telling about HH is the fact to date; Zambians have not been introduced to his wife or to his children. HH might have good reasons for his decision to shield his family from public view. But this is where he misses the point. In politics, you need to show the people that you are just like them. That means that if you have a family, you need to show the people your spouse and your children. Zambians deserve to know and meet and see Mrs Hichilema and their children. If HH continues to hide his family, State House will be unworthy of him. Zambians want to know him, but more than that, they want to know his wife—the way she looks, the way she combs her wetlook or perm and the way she ties her Chitenge. Zambians want to gossip about her. In Zambia, as elsewhere, it is through the gossip of popular figures that ordinary people find connection with them.
Zambians had their own gossip about Mama Betty Kaunda. And about her children, both the well-behaved ones and the naughty ones, like Kambarage. When the stories of Kambarage surfaced, Zambians disliked this Kaunda naughty boy. But Kambarage’s naughtiness only went to show that the Kaunda family, even if he was president, still had common problems that many Zambian families face. Zambians had lots to gossip about Vera Chiluba and her children too. Each time that Castro misbehaved Zambians did not like it, but at least it humanized Frederick Chiluba. Mrs Mwanawasa had her own share of gossip too.
Rupiah Banda’s family life is also very fascinating. Moreover, while some Zambians would dislike his choice of a wife, it is clear that the folder for gossip has gone a long way to reassure the people that the old Rupiah Banda is as human as any other Zambian is. Young Thandiwe has demonstrated the truth of the song, “Age aint nothing but a number.” In our fascination of why she went for a husband old enough to be her own grandfather, we find the answer in the fact that she is as human as any Zambian can be. In fact, many girls from Chipata to Chililabombwe find themselves in situations very similar to hers. And many do choose husbands their senior.
With regard to presidential aspirants, Sata has shown us his wife and the adversities of his children are in the public domain. People have had to make their opinions about Dr. Kaseba. How she looks, what she does, and how passionate she is about seeing her husband get into State House. She is as ambitious as her husband is. She and her husband are quite looking forward to getting into State House. That ambition is a quality that a common person in the compounds of Mongu would expect from an aspiring first family. But as for HH, he has chosen to take the ideal way and shield his family from public glare. HH should learn populist politics from Kaunda, Chiluba and Sata.
I do question whether Michael Sata has the intelligence or the temperament to lead our great nation. But one thing I do not doubt for a bit, is the fact that Sata is a man of the people. He is a common man. And whether Zambians will give him the keys to State House this year remains to be seen. But for now we wait for another one of Sata’s mammoth rallies in Chadiza, Chiwempala and Chaisa. At these rallies, Sata’s message is simple—“change in ninety days” and “more money in your pockets”—populist slogans from a populist politician.
DONCHI KUBEBA!! PA SOPO!!
“MWAAAMukolo!! Ni Pa Bwato fye!!!!
I think im getting charmed too
You even wonder why he calls himself Zambian Obama when he’s scared of bringing his ‘Mwenye’ wife to the ringside to watch uppercuts and left/hooks flying across his handsome face.
Munshya wa munshya uli wanzelu, mwandi walikwata amano. You have said things the way they are…
Indeed a must read article by all zedians (we can reflect now – we need more of such articles)
A piece of crap written by a kaponya. You havent seem Mutinta Hichilema in public because you only see those you want to see. Mutinta has always been in public addreesing public rallies so what more do you want. You real name is AElias Mwape but you are using a Lozi name to hide your tribalism. Foolish Bemba thief
I have not even seen her. I do not even know how she looks. The article is well done–great analysis.
Others think HH is a bachelor.
If your accusations are correct then how different are from the chap who are written this article? You use a Bemba blog name when you are just a tribalist Kachema Wang’ombe lol!
i have owaz been charmed by sata…he is my hero…but am still keeping the presidency
#6
What has the authors name or tribe got to do with the substance of his article.
l have followed your comments on both LT and ZWd. your hatred for tongas is pathetic. Please change in the name of God.
#6 you are the tribalist. Munshya is a northern name. Spare the author . This is a great piece of article and it has hit the nail on the head and the truth hurts and it has really hit you and your under 5 under the belt. what public meeting does your HH’s wife address. Even the quiet Miyanda we know his beautiful Angela,. As RB put it last time HH ni Mwenya, we have never seen his wife or seen him with his wife and we don’t even know if the man has children. We know for sure he has cows & bull, and we have seen him with those.
Sorry. I’ve never been charmed by Mr. Sata. I have always seen right through him and the more I listened to his policies, the more I was reassured that I was seeing the right thing.
I like the article but its not deep enough to describe the true michael chilufya sata. Mr Munshya I can see that you only know the surface about this man. Please research and dig more. Find out what he did to his first wife when he finished her off before divorcing her. Find out how many children he has fathered outside marriage. I used to see him come to kabwe to service his teen interests in his black ministrial volvo under chiluba government. The rest find out. Man of action? yes under someones authority but Vote him in into state house and see how he will use his power and authority to revenge, punish, frustrate and even kill. The man is cunning, and extremely dangerous. Zambia is in crisis as there is no capable leader at the moment. Turn to God for guidance before its too late.
Please tell me more about former wife to Sata. What I know is that she was very proud to be called Mrs Sata at divorce time. I used to meet her at Kamwala High school which she was heading. She looked happy. She used to be as turf as the husband. Please tell us the other side of the story.
Are you suggesting that Mr. Bean should run for UK priminister?
WE SEE DUIKARS, IMPALAS, KUDUS STARE& ADVANCE TOWARDS LIONS..NOT UNTIL THEY GET CHARGED AT, THAT IS WHEN THEY REALISE THE DANGER AND END UP BEING EATEN..
Oh its nowonder am now pf have bn charmed wow! Viva sata am so sure you are goin to charm development for zambia
I really pity ourselves as a country. I now understand why the bible says people perish for lack of knowledge. This man has no time for reasoning, he has no time for diplomacy, he has no respect, he has no regard, etc, whatever good things he is doing now is just trying to win popularity. Believe me he is excellent at this. But people dont see this because he has hidden everything under his charisma. zambians are behaving like a young girl who is being counseled aganist marrying a crooked and bad man but disreards the counsel because she is marvelled by the sweet talk, money and pretence. She later regrets marrying the man but its too late. I hope zambians wont fall in this trap.
Juzz 11, The fact that you know Sata even better than Munsha wa Munsha goes to prove the writer very correct that Sata is very ordinary like all of us. Sata is not an angel period.
Three words, two-bit con artist
Yes, This is good. Banda will vomit rats after reading this article. We shall go home after Sata is in. Luapula Ntondo mu nani
No 15, You will see how quickly plunderers shall shit and fall. I bet you most will commit suicide upon hearing the results. It will be good to save our courts time and money.
Viva anti corruption
the serpent has no chance this time…young voters are not interested in old politicians..they are looking forward to see real change..the future lies in their hands and not in the old..on a journey you dont board an old & slow vehicle to arrive early..
but if you are busy you have no choice.
We have a choice to make..a lot of us are aware about the dangers of HIV and yet we ignore preventive measures..not until we get infected,that is when we show regret & self blame..
ITS TIME UP FOR THE FAKE CHINESE INVESTERS,THE ONES THAT ARE SELLING VEGATABLES IN THE MARKETS AND CHITENJES IN THE STREETS.CHINAMEN GET READY FOR YOUR DEPARTURE FOR BEIJING AS OUR PRESIDENT OBAMA SATA IS JUST METRES AWAY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE.
I like munshya’s write up. Its exallent. The things munshya has put up are the things which make a person popular. When others have been preaching Homosexuality and lesbianism, sata has been talking about issues affecting the masses. Coming to the issue Of HH hiding wife and Kids its true. Even Obama this HH is imitating moves with his 2girls and Wife. What HH doesnt know is that Little things matter in Zambia. With out sata Chiluba would have lost Elections 96 but the charm of the cobra did the trix if I was Chiluba would fund sata as way of appreciating the man.
SATA is saying than doing. Noise makers are really doers and it is for this reason that putting SATA as presido all our neighbours would avoid him. By this I also include donor countries such as USA, Britain, China etc. We shall be reduced to dogs as Zambians to start begging in the streets of Tanzania, Malawi, worse in Congo DRC. I do not want to be among the beggers to be reduced less than Zimbabweans under the rule of Mugabe. Therefore, SATA and his noise should remain in opposition. VIVA HH and the UPND. The tide is chnging now, watch his pace
A snake always shades off its skin after it becomes old this is also typical of Sata he keeps reinventing himself but he remains the same old con artist at heart. This man’s character is no different from his old friend from UNIP WILLIAM BANDA he is a despot we should never make the mistake of voting him into power or we shall cry mark my words.
sata cannot cage chiuba coz they flocked together.. after all the Holy Bible tells us not to look back..we should solve problems of today to better the fututre..Leadership should come from the present generation to better tomorrows children..Good Doctors dont prescribe expired drugs to patients!
Number 23, spot on
Its difficult period for the corrupt RB ..MMD is going . The report by US state department predicting a PF victory is 80% corect.
@11 JUZZ
What makes you think we are interested in Mr Sata’s private life. as the bible says he without sin cast the first stone. JUZZ take a close look at your own little life and see if you have not hurt someone’s feelings in a relationship! Marriages, affairs, relationships come to an end. Have you any idea what his first wife put him through? Sata,RB,HH etc their private lives as such should remain private
The article is very good. Unlike what we see from the so called Dr.Mtongo and Siulapwa,this article balances.
Indeed we are yet to see if the PF Leader will translate his popularity to presidency.
This man is such an opportunist, that I fail to see how any sane Zambian cannot see beyond his fake actions. I remember the time he queued up with a jerry can at Northmead petrol station when there was a fuel shortage. Or the time when in spite of having his own car, he took the passenger seat in a friend’s rickety old Nissan Champ just so that he could talk to passengers on mini buses in traffic! *****!
hmmmmmm lusaka Times. this is unlike you. Am impressed
in zambia if to judge politicans on good morals non will qualifies among the old ones we know. Dr. never mumba wrote on but practical is not listen to kitiwe residence how he treats extented family members that why he could not be voted be people who knew him they know him as cruel, hardheated man,sting, selfish who hide all those in of being a christian.sata has problem with language and booming manners and rb is corrupt to get candiditure in mmd corrpted nec now has president pushes family members every project to get the opportunity and he does not mind how the country will after him see how has stood on pvt when for sure knows if they donot allow it will bring bloodshed.
Good afternoon
This is by far one of the most well written pieces of llecture I have read on LT. I am really impressed by the sobriety with which the author has laid down the facts – without gloves, without eloquence or polarism.
“Given the choice between the ideal man and the real man, people in politics go for a real man since they identity themselves with a real person who faces the same challenges as they do.” This is the valley of decision and
Zambians have to make up their mind which leader to choose. The voters must pu every candidate on the scale and check their leadership credo.
1. Vision: does he see the impossible?
2. Integrity: is he a cornerstone in society?
3. Responsibility: does he have genuine appreciation for the people?
4. Success: is he determined?
Number 26, in as much I agree with you, private sins and public sins have different impact on people and they tell different stories about someones character. We are all sinners who have fallen short of the glory of God. However, how a man manages his private life reflects how he will manage the affairs of the public. You cannot entrust the whole country to a man who has no respect for others. Yes we all hurt other people but we must never lose respect and dignity for them. His wife may have put him through hell but his reaction reveals his character and that is what constitutes the test of leadership and maturity. Private life can never be perfect for all of us but it must consitute forgiveness, understanding, respect, consideration and courtesy. true character lies in ones private life
@ 21 Kachigamba (from the UK)
Can you tell me what value you are adding to UK? Are you an investor in the UK? How are you not a burden on the UK govt? Please, just come back home and start selling vegetables in the markets.
Good article.Coming to think of it,surelly HH hasnt made know his wife to public life.Even george Kunda’s wife Ireen is a public figure.Why should be a person eying for public office hide his wife and children?it leaves alot of questions mwandi.When Obama,Mckay,david cameron sort for public office,we saw them parading their wives,Why is HH hiding his wife if he is married at all?
wow unto those that are charmed and refuse to use there brains wisely, its a shame
if the author has been charmed by satas charm, then he only has his stupidity to blame. as for me and my household, sata remain a two faced devil with one face resembling the devil and the other face resembling lucifer. satas charm or whatever it is was designed to only impress people with limited thinking capabilities
l have seen HH introduce(I refuse to use the word parade) at a big meeting at mulungushi international conference centre. His two sons where also there. the focus should be the nation of Zambia not wives.
Elias Munshya was a student at Chingola Secondary School and was Scripture Union Chairman. He is a zealous born again and very practical person. he later became a Pastor in Lusaka and has now moved to the USA for studies and he has written a good article though it still has room for improvement. Michael is a double edged sword …he is both good and bad but the good thing is that he doesnt hide his colours. Google Elias Munshya on fakebook and you will see the writer
“I do question whether Michael Sata has the intelligence or the temperament to lead our great nation.” well writen piece of information.I also not only question but doubt him basing on his track record of violence and brutality in the chiluba regime.# 11 I like your point, “Zambia is in crisis as there is no capable leader at the moment.”
This piece of information is timely and correct. How i wish it could be published in the times of banda, banda daily mail and the good news paper.
Good piece of writing. Its true that sata is loved by many. However, being loved is not the same thing as being respected enough to be entrusted with big responsibilities. Many people who love sata do not even believe that he is presidential material. Chiluba loved sata more than mwanawasa, but he respected mwanawasa more. Thats why levy was picked to succeed him. The author has also failed to mention that being likable is not the only thing one needs in oder to ascend to the presidency. In a presidential candidate, people look for a combination of qualities, not just one particular thing.
Natolelefye, you have point but you added you emotions on your posting, Juzz, I agree with you and thank you so much for enlightening me of that issue. The only unfortunate thing here is that the blog is open to everybody and everything that exist such that the level of discussion is just not there. Its high time we debate by reasons and not muscles. Since time and again, Zambians are crying for change, and hope change will be. RB, Sata are not any solution to change, any informed Zambian knows this. In society, there are two types of people you can easily know at the first sight and these are the best and the worse. Sata’s public Domain knowledge is that one of Kaponya, married one woman and another. Known for his dictatorial tendancies, insults and luck of respect for any one.
. His one of his wives come to public knowledge because of her scandle she was to answer. Unfortunately we know sata for bad reasons. The major problem we have here in Zambia is that of having a lot of school leavers who past through school but never school past through them, they are learned but not educated, irritate, because there is no way a normal person with all his senses available opts for a Criminal like Sata, God forbid
This very liberal and balanced information compared to the character assassination itemz we often given her on LT.
Falling for a cobra’s charm can only lead to one thing, i dont have to mention it. But any wise man should strike the head of a cobra first, i wouldnt recommend entertaining a cobra under any circumstances.
mutinta ahh so thats why HH christiened Nawakwi Mutinta when he lured her through Hambulo to join Upnd a move she has lived to regret she burnt her fingers and even now is not a factorwhen she could have been making a contribution to the country for she is a down to earth person
People this Mushya wa Mushya is Mr Capitalist.He is trying to jump the camp.
# 6 a fooool indeed. Munsha is namwanga. Fooolish tribalist. Tonga wena.
Munshya is from Serenje I worked with his aunt
Guys guys! Even a PhD dissertation is never perfect but people still get certification. Uhuru Kenyatta during an interview was asked a simple question: what is the price bread? The figure he quoted was twice the market value of bread. He is the minister of finance and wants to stand for president next year. I guess that is moral of the article.
Eba reporter aba,Munshya wa Munshya you have really aticulated no kalijo awe you have said it as it is.Ba LT e news ee,thats it all SATA is the man of the people….Mwamukolo..ni pabwato…Don’t Kubeba..ni Zwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa uno mwaka.
For those of us who have learnt the true colour of Sata, there is no way that we can sacrifice our integrity on the basis of falsehood that Sata presents to the ignorant listeners of his fairy stories that bear no substance to the future of this country. Michael Zondwa Sata is a Tanzanian breed who bears no inner feelings for the plight of the indigenous poeple. Sata hates team-work and therefore no intelligent man or woman will survive his dictatorial tendencies. A Standard 4 (=Grade 6) will never comprehend the consultative style of administering a modern State. His mecenary instincts will merely spell economic disastor for Zambia.
Munshaya wa munshaya ulimwaume, good piece of analysis of Zambian politics and why sata is still a factor in zambian politics. U right, i personally also not seen HH’s wife in media or in public, maybe she gat issues who knows? I think you are better then LT journalists.
This Article is sweet.
# 11 and 19 UBUWELEWELE FULU…..Who does not have a history? you too have not so…? So if you think when you bring this that about our great leader this time around Shi Chilufya wabepa napitapo,even if he has 50 children 80 former wives bakwe thats why is a great leader today has seen things,how can one be a hero without a history in any way? His could be better unlike iya bu LAZO,you have made innocent souls suffer grab people’s wives and transfer stolen wealth to girl friends,wapya aisa Cobra,bwesha………
Juzz 11, you have only proved the writer correct that Sata is an ordinary person with all the wicknesses we are all are guilty of. Sata is not an angel from heaven.
Man of action indeed- Thus, when he was minister of health he removed all hindrances that made it difficult for Zambia Enrolled Nurses to become registered nurses. He categorically encouraged many ZENs to enrol and become RNs. This has really helped alot of Enrolled Nurses to move to Registered Nursing. Thankyou Mr Sata.
Munshya has made a great attempt to capture the ambiance of this year’s elections and Presidential candidates.
However, Zambia is no longer a Great Nation. It has been reduced to a broken down third world country with below par leaders.
Hey….politicking as usual….Politics is a gamble nd Lif is a journey…there no politicians who re genuine, they just try their best otherwise they hustle. Satamania, da king cobra is gumbling with Barotseland, not for his benefits, We gambled with likes of KK, Chiluba, Mwanawasa, and finally RB within the MMD regime, unfortunately nothing has worked, who is to blame?? who else but the corrupt regimes. People think that Lozis are being taken for a ride ,thy are mistaken and if what pipo are saying about sata is tru, them He is also mistaken…..Lozis will owz remain focused no matter the internal confusions…..Bana ba POHO yensu they will owz Unite( Lubana ba mba ilimwi). Beware !!!!!! but keep the spirits high with tha next regime, Change is unstoppable we tired……..The Barotse
I see some mmd blogging vuvuzelas are trying to counter the article by discrediting the author and Sata himself.The question is,if Sata is not as popular as the article claims,why is you mmd spending so much resources and time trying to ruin Sata’s name as if he is the only presidential aspirant in this election? Mwawa ba mmd King Cobra ni down donchi kubeba thats whats up.
good article,keep it up.
i have googled munshya wa munshya and here is a summary of what i found: ”
Current •Columnist at Lusaka Times
•Private Investigator and Security Consultant at Investigation and Security
•Senior Pastor & Executive Director at Calgary Vision Ministries”.
comments: (i) he is a pastor and a private investigator (not that there is anything wrong with the job of security guard to make a living, but munshya seems ashamed of it, remember them in iraq?); i am just curious at this awkward combination of jobs as spy and pastor? (ii) munshya is not a behavioural scientist in any sense, and yet he presents himself as an authority on the behavioural pattern of 5 million zambian voters.
(iii) one may be popular among people, but when we choose leaders we also look for good character, i.e. we ourselves may be bad people or fornicators but we will not deliberately choose the same to sit in state house. why do you think the post is working very hard to launder mr sata and hide his many negatives if voters would be proud of this aspect of the man? (iv) one or two girls in society may be mesmerized by wealth and thieves, but bad girls are not representative of the behavior of that society.
(v) “Even in the south where people seldom vote for him, when Sata visits Choma or Kalomo southerners turn up in numbers”. isn’t this a contradiction of the whole essence of the article? (vi) it is unbelievable that a pastor could suggest that “90 days” deception (=attempted theft of votes) as a path towards raping the nation’s treasury is a virtue which voters look for in their leaders. finally, pastor munshya, can people who want to steal your family’s wealth be termed as caring for you?
It will take a snake charmer with a flute to charm the Cobra out of his woven basket
It is obvious from this article that RB is the best out of all these, humble, simple, to the ground and above all approachable and with listening ear.
My vote goes to RB.
if there is one thing African politics will always need are the likes of King Cobra! Elitist African leaders are the former colonial powers dream come true!! With characters like Cobra and Jacob Zuma the imperialists who continue to circle like vultures ready to devour our natural resources are always made to feel uncomfortable!! Chaps like Zuma & Cobra identify with the common man and their populist and sometimes savage styles instil some balance to just how much imperialists can get away with. I’m not partial to either of the chaps I’ve mentioned but i just wish to continue to encourage their involvement in our politics, if only to save us from the unbridled influence of the so called “infeshtors” that are plundering our economies once again!!
For us Nkoyas anyone who wants to sell us to Lozi domination under the BA is definitely not ‘popular’. I am certainly not charmed by this vicious snake and that is why I commend Chanda Chimba III for his timely warning. If Zambians are stupid and cursed enough to vote this demagogue into power then they deserve all the calamities that will befall them. At least myself and family are safely ensconced abroad but we will be waiting to offer assistance to the flood of refugees that will no doubt follow.
Sometimes my heart tells me may be they should vote for SATA and time will tell what kind of governance this country will experience. I find it very hard for young people youths for that matter going to vote for SATA when HH is more brighter and intelligent, sober and the right person to rule this country. I have always said its because HH is Tonga……..finish otherwise had he been bemba no one could in their right senses want SATA . Sorry if i offend anyone let SATA rule so that we see the money in the pockets the 90 day roads and the improved social amenities after all its what we want.
He who has never sinned STONE Sata.Bane the bible says everyone has fallen short of the glory of GOD and it again says He sent His son to DIE for OUR SINS.Look at apostle PAUL’ past who thought he would change.Ba SATA cimocine he can change and i think he’ a changed man,I cannot judge him because the bible forbids.Lets just wish for the best out of Sata pantu bane there is a wind of change blowing all over Zambia.Ba Sata my advice is when you WIN (1) dont revenge GOD forbid,(2) Work nicely to shame those who say nothing good can come out of you SIR(3)When the term comes to an end DONT stand again and you will be a HERO (4) Dont allow tribalism stick to ONE ZAMBIA ONE NATION and last but not the least LOVE YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND STRENGHT.VIVA SATA!
SATAnzania Zondwa only charms fools because his class are Kaponyaz and not a ryt thinking person. What is wrong with HH shielding his wife and family, that is his responsibility as a family man. People are jst jitterly for nothing, if anything HH is about pull a surprise in this years election. Watch this space. There is nothing about being tribal, am bemba but I dnt support SATAz street culture, but I feel given a chance HH could be Zambias best performing Presdo. VIVA HH VIVA UPND, show these old a lesson of their life time. With RB he will dance to RnB this yr and bashikulu kuya bebele this yr.
Thankyou # 70 and everyone for the comments.DONT KUBEBA!
who would have thought Zuma the Zulu Kaponya would ever rule, let alone oust the polished and elitist Mbeki? Zuma is our Sata and Mbeki our HH….interesting parallel?
@70, but mr sata is the very opposite of what you have recommended. he has refused to change, but if at all he has changed ask him to tell us and we may forgive him and give him a chance. we are not stupid to put him in state house and hope that state house will change. why doesn’t he change first, what is he afraid of? is it because he knows that he cannot live his promises?
@67, surely you know that there is no comparison between mr sata and mr zuma. surely you know that mr sata was not a nationalist but a colonial tool. surely you know that mr zuma has balanced investment in the south african economy with the needs of his people. surely you know that mr zuma was elected president of anc at a democratic party convention. surely you know that foreign direct investment into the south african economy is similar to zambia. surely you know that the management of the south african economy by mr zuma is simialr to zambia’s. surely you know that mr zuma is a good friend of mr rupiah banda and they share common ideals. finally surely you know that mr sata has no such ideals or principles to share with any other president, not even in the upnd/pf pact?
# 75 boss start packing if you are among the corrupt zambians sata akesa mifumya fwaka.uyo namumona ali ku state house for the next five years.
@ 70 sense we need pipo like you sir I salute you.
The article is well written, balanced and credible, am only disappointed with the so called Ntolelefye to for the scathing attacks and tribal inuendoes on the author.
It is clear that you among those people who have blinded the otherwise young and vibrant HH to ruin his political carrer and reduce UPND to its shell. How many MPS did Mazoka leave behind?? How amny are there now, and how many will pull through in 2011?? The numbers are on downward spirall and any credible advisors are suppossed to tell him something is wrong.
Just starting to roll the shirt like Obama at rallies will not reproduce that charm, by abandoning the PACT, HH reduced his chances of ever running this country, after possible loss this year, even you, will aks him to step aside for Garry Nkombo or someone else!!
Pipo have not seen my wife too,particullary in public rallies.Why do you want HHs wife in public?
Just campain and forget about piupos wives.
you missed the point. go back and read the article again
Did president Banda admit to being ‘charmed by Sata’ as our pastor is claiming, really? The reason i am saying this (to use the POST editorial common line) is because all i remember is Banda’s comment on Sata’s motorcade in Kasama and saying something like ‘Vimasilu’. now, if thats being ‘charmed’ then he surely says the unexpected when charmed.
Wow, being a little bit naughty (yourself or a member of your family )makes you human and Zambians identify with you more.Pastor goes on, HH should parade his wife too, like the other ‘imperfect’ popular politicians.
I quite like the fact that Munshya does not beat about the bush, he is direct, my worry would be if he dishes the same advice to his congregation i can see trouble brewing. C’mon sister being alitle bit naughty makes you like the others……you will be more popular!
#75, a nationalist versus a colonial tool ?? Zuma has balanced the economy with the needs of his people?? Comrade, my intention was not to compare the two but merely to draw a parallel to the “same difference in personality” that exists between Zuma and Mbeki and Sata and HH. HH like Mbeki have/had inherent difficulties with identifying with the common man. They are both perceived “elitist” just as both Zuma & Sata have personalities easily understood and accepted by the common man. Lets look at the political future of our dear friend Elias Chipimo Jnr, do you see him pulling votes from an areas like Chibolya,Kwacha East,Chainda,Lubuto or Maiteneke in Chingola? My friend, these are the places you find the majority who vote, not on Facebook,Twitter, Portico or Polo Grill!!
Viva PF Viva sata BR kya bebele.
Parading the “wife & family” during campaigns is a common vote attracting gimmick in the First World. The First Lady running a highly politicised “foundation” is a common vote attracting gimmick in the Third World!! The problem for Third World opposition leaders is “which” family to parade!! Alot of them tend to have more than one wife or children from more than one woman!! Quite a conundrum especially in Africa!! To make matters worse these leaders often go on to lead their countries in the same chaotic fashion as their own family affairs!!
viva pf viva sata .RB kuya
Just take an observant casual walk along the streets of Lusaka, Kitwe and Ndola to note how The Post has indotrinated the mind-set of the Kaponyas. A headline that dwells on insulting RB will be interpreted as “lelo nayiwama newspaper”. Cairo Rd, Cha-Cha-Cha and Freedom Way, and some streets of Ndola and Kitwe, are streets that are populated by 50% of guys who share the same violent genes as Sata. This is the pool of population from which Elias Munshya computes his statistics to arrive at a conclusion that Sata is popular. Let Elias be objective to reach out to Chavuma, Chipata, Choma, Isoka, Kalomo, Kaoma,Kaputa, KasempaLufwanyama Lukulu, Mansa, Mapanza, Masaiti, Mumbwa,Mwinilunga,Petauke, Chiengi, Serenje,Sesheke, Siavonga, Sinazongwe. Then tell us the extent of Sata’s popularity..
I beleive that those campaigning for Michael sata are potential and direct beneficiaries to be if he gets to state house, no wonder they are so adamant to take adivise. I can tel from the tone of teir blogs, no courtesy: just like sata himself.I dont blame them because God gave us the freedom to choose accept or reject him, etc. So in this case let people choose as they wish but must accept responsibility & consequencies of their choices. however the wise will always take the advise. My advise is: dont look at what you will benefit an individual when sata comes into power but instead think of the underpriviledged. I now understand why people will still miss heaven despite so much counsel and preaching. God help you to repent and see with Godly/selfless eyes and not lucificeric selfish eyes
Bravo LT! Bravo Munshya! This is the way forward, a balanced mature reporting.
These Bemba thieves!
This is the problem in Zambia. HH does not control any media and thus coverage of his wife is dependent upon our Journalist. If we had clever Journalists like Mr Samuel Ngoma, formerly of Times of Zambia, who could fish out a retired Ian Smith, a fugitive Idi Amin etc, it would not be too much of a hassle for someone to find Mrs HH and bring her views into the limelight. As for Dr Kaseba, we don’t know much about her. What was she like as a medical student? Who did she date? Who are the other wives Mr Sata has had and where are they? We don’t know. So Mr Munshya, Sata is not like one of us, though he pretends to be.
This is well said period.
Only a fool can be charmed by Sata. Only those who were young when sata was an active member of MMD can say that Sata is great man. This man called sata did a lot of evil things during the time he was in MMD. Ask him how man wives he has. His current wife Dr. Kaseba is not the first one. Should be number 3. Beside this , Sata has a lot of children out side marriage, i know one in livinstone and two in Ndola. All these from different women. Coming to leadership, this man called sata once inn he assumes power that will mean that we will never have elction as a country until he dies. During the time he was in gvt with chiluba, a number of prominent pipo used to dies mysteriouly, eg. paul tembo, Wezi kaunda, Boldwin Nkumbula. Other were tortured, eg. dean etc. how do u envy him?
Although i no longer support HH after his discriminatory campaigns, but dont agree that he has never introduced his wife in public. He has actually done it before when he was the UDA candidate. She looks beautiful, humble and natural. On that one i think let us be fair to HH. We can criticise his campaingns but not his personality. DONT BEHAVE LIKE THE MUCHINDUs, CLOUD, MARK madiness, LOYD, MASTRO, EDDIE; who believe in character assassination. Leave it to them.
let the so called PF not claim popularity in western province. we all know as people from western pronvince that SATAn is a desperate old politician who has erroded all his ideas when he was bulling people during Chilubas third term bid. his claims to houner the BA agreement will remain a nightmare for him, when he was minister of lacal government he had chance of addressing the BA agreement which he never ever supported. why the change of heart now? there is no room for sata here and warn him not to be too expectant for plot 1 becouse he will end up hanging himself.
@82, i am sure that you get the message.
@76, ati mr sata will come and fight corruption?kwena ba tata muli chinangwa, mr sata is corruption itself my friend, how can he fight himself? why do you think late mwanawasa resigned as vice president in chiluba’s government, akafulo ako abantu nga imwe ba corruption efyo mukabila? why do you think that sensible people are campaigning against him, and succeeding? if you do not know your leaders it’s better to shut up bane than uku ilanga ignorance.
Zambia does not need a jocker for a president. Zambian needs a serious person. The writer says Sata has a good personality—— does the writer really understand what constitutes personality? If all the political pacts that Sata has had with Sakwiba Sikota , Ben Mwila, Pule, Nevers Mumba and the recent one with HH have failed, with all these guys citing Sata unfit-for-purpose character and personality—-what good personality is the author talking about? How many wives has divorced? The writer refers to Sata as being practical—and fails to give a list of examples—– If Sata was practical, why haven`t we seen change in PF dominated local councils? After the 2006 elections Sata said that PF would show MMD how to run councils——How has PF transformed the councils? Zero!!!!!!
HH of the Tonga people party changed his name so as to hide his father was a cattle thief Kaite Kalungana @71 please check your under 5’s back ground before you support the fool just because he is Tonga, we had Hon Mudenda,hon Chona just to mention a few, who were fit for presidency not this Tonga rubbish you HH tribalist are trying to promote, like it or not no other tribe will vote for a Tonga into state house till you change your stance and join 1 Zambia 1 nation and that Leader it either His excellency RB or Hon Sata the rest can forget it.
you sound like mojor chizyuka
Even Mr Mwanga was a good politician hadn’t it been for the cash game and the fast lane at least the man believed in all tribes be one zambian
Average article. There is nothing new in it apart from the fact that Munshya probably wrote this article to be ‘popular’ himself because certainly he has massged some egos. Munshya should also learn to research his English usage and not use words carelessly to the point where meaning is lost. He may have massaged egos, but to his peers they take note and judge him by his professional acumen. If you want to be flamboyant with your vocabulary be flamboyant it’s okay, but just don’t be pretentious.
We all know Sata is next President. Adios RB, and to HH till the turn of the century because nof the missed oppurtunity under the PF-UPND Pact! Wait a bit! We have less than 120 days before the polls.
THE FACT IS WE ARE ALL SINNERS,WE MAKE MISTAKES AND FROM THEM WE LEARN TO BE BETTER PEOPLE.WHEN EVER U POINT YOUR FINGER AT SOME,BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE THREE FINGERS POINTING AT YOUR SELF.SATA IS NOT AN ANGEL,HE IS AN ORDINARY PERSON JUST LIKE US.SO WHY THROW STONES AT SATA,HE IS NOT AN ANGEL.BUT HE SEEMS TO THE MAN OF THE PEOPLE,THATS WHY THEY LIKE HIM.SO MR SATA MY VOTE AND MY FAMILIES’ ARE YOURS.
I see. Most of you are writing from outside Zambia..i don’t know when you left but for sure, you are not well informed
To tell we are more informed than local people there. each time I call to discuss these matters with my collegues in zambia they tell me they dont know. i update them on a daily basis. We care more for Zambia than most of you. Anyway I am always in and out of the country so you point is very invalid. Wheather home or not the sources of information are the same. Infact we have better facilities and super high speed broadband which is still a dream for most zambians at home
The whole article is crap. HH hasn’t been politics for a long time, he is more popular than your Mr Bean..i don’t care if you agree or not but watch this year polls.
Simple,if you want to prove how popular Sata is compared to the other two (HH and rhupia), take a listen to Zambian music.The slogan Donchi kubeba is commonly used,sometimes the music makes direct refernce to Sata himeslf,the popular artists like slap dee,Mark2 and dandy crazy all have either used donchi kubeba or mentioned Sata in their songs.Any one tell me what song mentions RB or HH apart from their campaign songs?
all we need are peaceful elections,viva HH
The fact that a known PF cadre like Munshya wa Munshya is desperately trying to justify Sata’s behaviour and potray HH in the negative is evidence enough that Sata/PF are feeling the political heat from the real change team.
Thanks for the advise about bringing out HH’s wife, I agree with your observation that it will endear him(HH) to the public if he exposes his wife more to the media. HH also needs to improve on his public image through a printed media forum. The weekly newspaper linked to him should convert to a daily paper as soon as possible.
How is this story going guys?I have just come back from my local pub to improve my popularlity as i am considering to be a labour candidate in the next elections. ‘man of the people’ enjoying the same ‘evils’ of the people with the people. 100% on our authors check list.
Atleast, I can speak for myself. I hope Mr Sata relieves Munshya from having to do the dirty work of making excuses for him by speaking for hiself. hopefully HH starts parading his wife too.
People, let us not forget that Sata fell short only by 30, 000 (or was it 300, 000) votes last time around. So there are plenty of people who support this man. 38% of the vote when the winner (RB) only beat me by 2% or so translates into millions of Zambians who agrees with him.
Whether we personally like him or not is beside the point. But it can not be denied that Sata’s populism has served him well. Most politicians would have faded into the archives already given his past. It is actually surprising that he is even considered a real possibility to be the next President given his track record—-a cautionary tale to those who wanna write him off so easily. And if all the millions of people who support him are KAPONYAS, then we should ask why Zambia produces so many of them!
sorry………….@ 107, suppose to be “beat him by 2%”……….and “beat me by 2%”………I have never run and have no intentions of joining Zambian politics. I am doing just fine as a private citizen and a VOTER (though I have been away recently for studies)!!
#108, lol, that would qualiffy for what psychologists call a ‘parapraxis’. Saying what your inner man really means.
I can give you a free interpretation, caution is you do not have to agree with it. Here we go: You are so much into Sata that unconciously you feel you are him, you can defend him to your last energy. Infact you are Sata himself, unconciously of course. Thats psychology for you and i get paid for it here.
@109 Pa Fwaka (PF):
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You may be right and I see no harm it, do you?! But trust me, I am fine without politics. Good luck with your psychology!!!!!
FOOLISH CRAP.LUSAKA TIMES, WHAT ARE U, JOURNALISTS? NO YOU ARE CHEAP TWITS ALLOWING BAFOONS TO TRY TP BRAINWASH US. HOW MUCH DID U GET PAID FOR THIS?
110, no harm in supporting a political figure of ones choice. The key is t be open minded, i’ve never liked Sata from the time I watched him on live TV (ZNBC) in 2001 when he sounded as though he was supporting the 3rd term but who knows with enough proding from Munshya i might start rooting for him.lol For now i am targeting local govt elections in my borough. One youth offered to call a taxi for me when i was leaving the pub, i nearly thanked him for ‘voting’ but quickly realised i meant ‘calling’ the taxi.
#109 You have had too much smoko oozing out of your ears, stop “IBANGE LYA MBUTO”, ilo cha!!
For all those that demonise Sata, there is a saying, “The devil you know is better than the devil that you don’t”. You see, who knew RB?? MMD thought the man was sheepish, just as Mwanawasa did, though for him it was political expedience, he needed Eastern Province delivered to him. However the “late Tetas”, abena Mbita(Chitala), Mulongoti etc who are now shedding tears, thought nothing of kanitundila – till he did them in – for that matter, in a big way!!
Ive been charmed by Sata too. But im still keeping the Presidency. Viva RB
all of you Sata haters can go to hell!!! We are voting enmass for him. Iwe ka Munshya wa Munshya your analysis is as wapped as yopur mind is. Do not mistake charisma for simple charm, God has given all intelligent revolutionaries this great asset: Che Guevara, Nelson Mandela etc. Have you ever heard Sata boast? Compare with your dimwit at plot One? Don’t hide behind fake Bembalized names when you are a Tembo baba……
Number 101, To tell we are more informed than local people there. each time I call to discuss these matters with my collegues in zambia they tell me they dont know. i update them on a daily basis. We care more for Zambia than most of you. Anyway I am always in and out of the country so you point is very invalid. Wheather home or not the sources of information are the same. Infact we have better facilities and super high speed broadband to access information which is still a dream for most zambians at home
Mwanawasa, Chiluba, Rupiah and Kaunda have all admitted recognition of Sata’s intelligence. I was born and grew up in Lusaka & saw what he did under Kaunda especially when he was DG with Wynter Kabimba as his Town Clerk: it was the best team ever in this rotten impoverished gossiping country! They would argue and quarrel but still surge ahead in unison. What more can one ask for? Sata would even challenge the Lion KK himself when he knew he was right – Compare with Situmbeko, Liato, Shikapwasha & the rest
Kaunda said Sata is not Presidential material because he knew the guy very well & had no doubt he would shame all his predecessors, Kaunda included period! The old man is so vindictive the headaches Sata gave him still hurt him today! That is why he attacked Mpombo on RB because it was like Sata’s ’80s defiance once again! His own sons have realised the old man was wrong after all! Shame on you Sata haters…oh I am not Bemba in case you’re wondering###
#94 ulimbwa sana……..the article on the other hand gives meanigful direction of thought, well written indeed…VIVA PF, VIVA Sata
#94 ulimbwa sana……..the article on the other hand gives meanigful direction of thought, well written indeed…VIVA PF, VIVA Sata
After Sata and PF’s victory in this year’s elections, UPND MUST remove HH from its presidencey because he cant reason. What Prof Chirwa still doing in UPND when he can add value to the may Zambians on the PF ticket. Prof, you once taught me at UNZA befor you left Zambia in frastration and I know you are not petty, please get on the boat and help Zambia move to solid prosperity. You advised UPND on the PACT, they called you names what are you waiting for? Our degrees must benefiting the less priviledged in society and Sata propells thamessasge from time immemorial. Viva Sata and PFFFFFFFFFF
sata will never rule Zambia..let him retire peacefully!!we shall make sure..
How do you give geysers to the suffering people of Mandevu? Is Rupiah telling us that after analysing the problems and challenges facing our people, particularly the people of Mandevu, a geyser is what turned out to be a priority?
“Is he honestly telling us that a geyser is what he found to be the most sought-after service in Mandevu? Has he taken time to inquire if at all the greater population of this area even has access to running water? Why doesn’t he work to improve the water and sanitation challenges in Mandevu and other townships in the country where our MPs have been trying so hard to rectify? This sort of desperation is unimaginable. Don’t be surprised to see Rupiah promising a pontoon to Kabwata, forgetting that there is no river in Kabwata.”
This is the most useless article i have ever read
@ 94 ulicipuba MMD kuya bebele bawesu.uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!m******mwe
@ 94 ulicipuba MMD kuya bebele bawesu.uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!m******mwe
#125 uli chipuba. Why did u choose to read it if it is as you say. Mwapya bangwele. Sata/PF baisa. Mufwale amabamba ayekata pantu fyalasekemuka uno mwaka.Viva PF mwamukolo.
# 125, ulichipuba..You are indeed a villager..Why did u read it,if it was useless!! cheecolor..
Why are all the insults and support for pf always in Bemba?
love him or hate him,Sata has bucket-loads of charisma and his change in 90 days slogan has been given credence by the MMDs many projects including the urban area road rehab program which has been birthed and implemented in a little over 10 days,the only question i have is whether given the opportunity he will stick to his promises.
If RB is doing all these projects in less than a month, what will stop SATA from doing them in 90 days? Viva MC SATA, Viva Pabwato, Pe boat
Elias Munshya wa Munshya: I hope your aim of writing this article was to highlight the fact that Sata is a charmer and crook who wants to con his way to the Zambian presidence using unsuspecting docile Zambian voters. There is no doubt that Sata has learnt a lot from his political master FTJ. Chiluba used the same charm offensive to win the hearts and minds of unsuspecting Zambians and he was on record saying Zambians are soo docile that we can rule them for the next 30yrs.
Zambians have now opened their eyes and they will not allow themselves to be tricked by a political conman like Sata. He can warm his way into the desperate poor compound dwellers but the majority Zambians in rural areas and sharp city dwellers will stop him again.
Give Sata a chance. Change in a democracy is always good. If Sata will fail, democracy should remove him.
Zambia is not a grear nation naimwe mwileka imitika mabolo yenu
Zambians, let us not take the elections lightly. we are deciding on the furture progress of our Country. Yes RB may not be the the best president. but let us not regreat tomorrow when we have knowledge of who the King Cobra is. I fear for our Country if the King Cobra is allowed to lead the country. he will be uncontrollable. his venom will be unleashed on all Zambia. he wants to use the proverb “uku senda ichisenda ku nkoko kunakilila” once given, we will be wondering what we have put ourselves in to. So be care Zambians
You cant vote for one based on the charm unless you are immature and cant think like # 127 and 128. Just look at the article what issues do you derive from it to support you decision. Even the number 1 destroyer FTJ was a charmer. And #128 I am a villager but you are primitive, by the way you need to counter check the meaning of villager, you have the wrong idea that it means backward – keep learning punk.
THIS IS A FANTASTIC ARTICLE……AWE MWANDI WALEMBA!!!!….USHUMFWA PA TUNONO, NA PAFINGI FINE TAKOMFWE!!!…..I WISH I HAD MONEY TO BUY SPACE IN THE POST SO THAT MANY OTHER ZAMBIANS CAN READ THIS!!!!!………..WHAT MATTERS TO A COMMON MAN IS NOT GOOD ENGLISH BUT FOOD ON THE TABLE, GOOD SHELTER, CLEAN WATER, ROADS WITHOUT POTHOLES AND SO ON AND SO FORTH……..BUT SATA, IN MY OPINION IS SUFFICIENTLY ARTICULATE ON ISSUES OF GOVERNANCE ……….HE IS ABLE TO TAKE ON ANY PANEL OF WELL RESEARCHED JOURNALIST ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD……..SO GIVE HIM YOUR VOTE LATER THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!……….PABBBWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#127 and # 128 you two are very dull and illogical, i had to read for me to make my judgement. eeiish
Well Done Lt for showing maturity and professionalism by showing us this article indeed its a must read article, for the those who are saying the author of this article is Mr Capitalist check your facts . Elias was my senior at chingola Secondary school he was a scripture union chairman, debate president and a prefect and very intelligent am sure bloggers from chingola will remember this practical person who calls a spade a spade search him on face book if you want to know who is his
juzz 11
we all have a past and you should respect people private life’s what ever happened with his first wife has nothing to do your any of us here . this is a very balanced article and this no need of you been petty
This article is useless very very useless. what is the use of this article, nothing
Villager, please if you are used to continuously living in the woods, please leave us alone and we are doing everything possible to have sata in State house and bring dignity to all Zambians. You have eyes but dont see. Simple scenario, go China and apply for investment portforlio in that country and see whether you will even get a reply. Its either you wake up or remain in your slumber, Zambia is behind PF and Sata period. Dont kubeba bane….
Well articulated article. Good analysis.
The article is simply telling facts.
However, being charmed by Sata is like being charmed by a problem.
He has never charmed me. He has stattled me many times, however.
Ati BASATA 4get about state house
I feel pity for Sata because he is fighting a losing battle no matter how popular he may be. In the coming elections there will be inordinate delays in the announcement of results while the authorities figure out how to rig the elections. According to a study in Zimbabwe, the Zimbabwean voters register contains names of 132,540 people more than 90 years-old and 41,199 centenarians in a country where the average life expectancy in is less than 45, more than in the U.K with a bigger population, .Are we any different?
When discussing politics and development we should not be talkin about charm and children and wives, that why this article is an otiose script
pipo,time will tell.
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