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Pronouncements being made by Ministers give an impression that Cabinet does not meet regularly

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Labour Minister Fackson Shamenda
Labour Minister Fackson Shamenda

Government has been advised to re-think its decision to bar foreigners from carrying out human resource functions as it will be seen as an act of xenophobia.

A senior Zambian citizen Elijah Ngwale said the pronouncements being made by ministers are giving an impression that cabinet does not meet regularly.

Commenting on the directive by Labor and Social Services minister Fackson Shamenda that no foreigners should carry out human resources functions, Mr.Ngwale said such a pronouncement is supposed to be backed by policy as it risks being seen as an act of xenophobia.

Mr. Ngwale said what is worrying is that citizens are made to wonder whether cabinet meets regularly because ministers and even deputy minister who do not even attend cabinet meetings make serious pronouncements.

Speaking to QFM,Mr. Ngwale has since appealed to government not to govern by pronouncements but by policies stating that it is policies that must be announced after being agreed upon by cabinet.

[QFM]

65 COMMENTS

  1. Cabinet meetings? What for when we have our Man of Action in State House hiding from people who cannot look after their hair!

    • @Mauless, why are you talking about my Overwinter like that, if you want me in Public, just wait for new appointments and diplomatic calls…With immediate effect i direct that all Ministers should be making pronouncements without consulting other ministries

    • ..FINALLY WE HAVE MANAGED TO HACK ZAMBIAN WATCHDOG AND CHANGE THE SETTINGS. WE HAVE CLOSED ALL COMMENTS ON OUR PRESIDENT AND OUR GOVERNMENT AND WE HAVE CHANGED THE EMAIL ADDRESS FROM [email protected] TO [email protected] WE WILL SOON BE HACKING THIS WEBSITE THEN ZAMBIA REPORTS NEXT WEEK ONCE WE CAN GET THE CYBER SECURITY DETIALS. WE NEED SANITY IN COMMENTS..

    • Ngoshe never play around with friends, he is always solo. But it is a fact that cabinet ministers do not even meet over technical matters, they meet to be introduced to the newly hired deputy ministers. And those PF Ministers don’t even know each other by names, they know only totems.

    • Don’t send any email to that email provided, it is not the ZWD email address. It looks it has been hacked. The need to mirror it in a number of servers to limit the downtime in case of hacks.

    • Voila, thats why all of a sudden these Z mumbws are mushrooming on LT.Or maybe it’s undergoing renovations, but if that was the case you would be informed te? lets hope it is closed, i cant stand those comments not that i support PF, only because they are so unpatriotic, tribalists who contribute in dividing Zambia! There it is,i give you my point on why i hate Zambian watch dog, on top of that they hate us women as if they have no mothers and sisters, one wonders what for men and women they are!

    • Maybe its self-immolation or they have gone on retreat to seek guidance on how to be responsible in journalism practice.

      They find it right to align themselves with the opposition political parties, but insult and label it totally unacceptable for other media houses to propagate for the govt. what a shame!!

      Hope they come back soon and better and allow bloggers with divergent views than keep their contributions indefinitely “in moderation”

    • Its a small issue.those choncholis back in china they have blocked facebook,whatsapp or youtube.but the software to evade their so called wall is there.VPN chabe and its more business.so people if the mighty watchdog wont be up by today please let me know i roll out the software only kr50. Ninshi wakwata watchdog iwe.

  2. Much of the HR mal practices by foreigners are fuelled by their confidence that they paid the government official to get their investment in the country. So, I guess these people should start looking at themselves before they bar foreigners from HR practicing. I wonder if it is really the answer. HR in any company is just a rubber stamp of others decisions. It really does not help. I agree with Ngwelu, but maybe not on the basis of Xenophobia.

  3. i dont see any problem here. we have enough HR personnel in zed. why get some from elsewhere? certain positions shod be left to indiginous. i dont even see how xenophobia comes in. how do you get a driver, teacher, nurse from UK? we need a Neural surgeon? we are a developing country, so we shod learn to do certain things on our own!
    Ba Ngwale, muli ba kwi? muzwa kai? from malawi???

    • We need to run the country on policies. Today it is HR managers but what about nurses, primary school teachers, drivers, etc. You can’t have pronouncements for each job, make policy to cover a range of jobs.

    • You have totaly missed the point. Its not just pronouncements.We need to have guilding polies to give direction to everyone. People looking for work permits will not be given if we have a guilding policy stipulating that HR should only be handled by Zambians.

  4. The government is banning HR functions by foreigners because it has realised that children and relatives of ministers cannot jobs because of the stringent measures put in place. The foreigners give the jobs to deserving citizens not to retards merely because their fathers or mothers are ministers or they are well connected.

    • Generally, the HR management field advises that a local be HR head because they understand the culture of the country better than an expatriate. The local may be sensitive to certain issues because they understand the local environment better. There was an incident in one company, where an expatriate HR manager denied women “mother’s day.” A local would have understood why government pass that policy. It is also partly the reason most countries have work permit requirements. You need to show that you are bringing special skills that are either not present or are in short supply in that country. Otherwise, you are denying a local a job they can do.

  5. Its free for all. They are all dull. This gvt is very useless. Theyve achieved nothing so far apart from raping the constitution day in day out

    • @ Chills; raping is too graphic a word. How about violating the constitution? Conveys the governments actions without those unsavory images

    • @10.1 Bwana,
      There is nothing graphic about the use of the word ‘raping’ in the context as used by Chills. He simply means the constitution is being violated and ‘thrown out of the window’ as it were.

    • Bwana, its not ZWD that had been poaching opposition MP’s. It’s not ZWD that has been making un intelligent appointments from one region of the country. Was it ZWD that made the 90 day promises. Its not ZWD that has caused mealie meal shortages. If The Post can’t report all these issues objectively, ZWD with all its unedited stories etc have given the public an uncensored view into the Zambian news.

    • Is it ZWD which is practicing corruption, nepotism and tribalism in the governance of Zambia? ZWD helps to reveal the wrong doings of those in power. Hope it will be back sooner rather than later.

    • It is the Post that should be closed. It is the one that has fueled tribalism by constantly calling HH and tongas as tribalists even though HH has never made a single tribal statement. I challenge those who support the Post to give me a single example of a tribal statement from HH. The post is the enemy of co existence and tribal harmony in this country. Those who agree to be conned by the Post to issue statement against other people based on their tribe have also agreed to destroy this country through the same paper. I’m sorry i dont buy the idea that ZWD is tribal. Only tribalists created by the Post see it that way. I’m proud of my tribe (Lenje) and speak Lenje whenever an opportunity presents itself but I will not champion tribalism the Post way. I have even stopped reading the Post.

  6. PF government information to the nation suggest cabinet never meets to tell the nation what is/will happening. The un co-odinated information to the nation further suggest that there are two groups within PF goverment. One Chellah is its spokes person, the other is the young turks driving the PF agenda regardless of Sata since he is too sick to know everthing that needs attending to. Governance by remote control with defacto leadership.

  7. So what exactly is the case here are they meeting or not? give us what you know you must have the real data, this is the problem with you guys, you know what is actually taking place and you busy giving us raw info, how can we then deal with the problem? if you go around and sound as if you are also doubting, how do will cut the rotten piece off? Oh…, awe.., katwishi…, chimfwikile, ati, Limbii? cut to the chest man! then we know how to flash them out, when all go down the pit, who will suffer? why should they be getting paid for doing nothing? this is criminal if it is happenning.

  8. Very disappointed with this blind man called Elijah Ngwale. The govt is trying to secure jobs for the locals you are saying it is an act of xenophobia, what type of thinking is this Mr Ngwale? I respected you but I am losing confidence because your thinking is reducing you. HR jobs are for Zambians because we have enough HR professionals.

    • @Fireman, the man is not against giving these jobs to Zambians. Read within contest before you comment. He is saying that there must be a legislation in place not just a pronouncement. Government cannot just single out HR jobs. There must be a guiding legislation in place.
      His point has nothing to do with sight.

  9. what? i even sent an email to ZWD inquirying why i cannot access it on my phone and i recently registered my sim card…mayo…this is scary i will close my gmail account immediately.

  10. the local HR employ freinds family members gal friends so its not based on merit most of the time so i agree that let them have there own HR

  11. Guys, dont worry, your beloved ZWD will be up shortly as we are still fixing a bug that occur during the night when the chinese mafia brot in by satanyongo govt were trying to hack it. Be assured it will be up today, will all updated information regardin the by election, bald head stories etc.

  12. Why only HR? @troy??? You are absolutely right, Fact of the matter is Most of our Zambian Brother and sisters are not ETHICAL. RECRUITMENTS WILL ALL BE Bias. I HAVE VISITED MOST COMPANIES BACK HOME INCLUDING THE MINES. IT’s Really a JOKE. GROWING ECONOMIES DON’T GIVE RESTRICTIONS AS TO WHAT JOBS SHOULD BE HANDLES MY FOREIGN WORKERS AND NATIVE CITIZENS. You can use a QUOTA system if want. Pa ZED everything is reactive???

  13. The author seems to be quite uneducated or simply put dull………..All the government is trying to do is to protect the interests of Zambians and securing them jobs. Is he telling me that Zambia does not have people capable of performing these functions?????? foreigners don’t understand our labour laws very well and as a result end up mistreating our people. Learn to support the government especially when they mean well for the people

  14. Anyway – I can see our foreign companies engaging employment agencies to do their HR functions for them. Ninshi capwa pafita bonse! So both the so-called local professionals as well as the so-called foreign professionals will grasp twigs…

  15. WITH ZWD DOWN TODAY PF has managed to. drink water and eat NSHIMA. The guys are just keeping finger cross includin membe

  16. Cabinet meetings or no cabinet meetings makes no difference in the PF government because there is only one man who will talk and force his thoughts down the throats of the rest. Can you imagine any minister in this cabinet freely giving their views which may differ from the master’s? It would be followed by a good telling-off and instant dismissal.

  17. Good move by our caring President and his government. It would be far much better if all Human Resource functions in the country were transferred to State House!

  18. whilst its a welcome move but much remains to be desired by our zambian colleagues carrying out HR functions.

    ONE: there is no proffessionalism in their practice and may I simply state that the function has gone to the dogs as maimbo would agree with me. they lack both confidence and courage and are thus just driven like cows being led to a croal.

    TWO: the HR function has lost meaning as instead of them being the go between employers and employees, they side with management making them VERY useless.

  19. THAT’S A HATE PAPER. IT HAS JUST BEEN CONFUSING INNOCENT ZAMBIANS. ANYWAY, STUFF HAPPENS, THEY WILL FIX IT AND YOU WILL SOON RESUME YOUR INSULTS.

  20. Labour issues and anything related to it should be handled by the Labour minister. I do not understand what the words ‘senior citizen’ mean when referring to any Zambian we don’t even know. Does it mean that the man is a pensioner? We have many problems in the Zambian labour market because of human resource managers who do not understand or have no idea of Zambian laour laws. This has nothing to do with xenophobia, if we do not want foreigners working in Zambia it is our right. No country in the world creates jobs for foreigners at the expense of the local educated population. Allowing any company which invests in Zambia to come with its manpower defeats the whole purpose of job creation in the country. Foreign managers prefer to recruit from their country if given any chance.

  21. You people should research before you condemn, Mr “Senior citizen” should have research before making himself a fool. The Labour laws are clear about getting foreigners to work in Zambia and indeed any other country. I have cut and paste below for you to read :
    WORK PERMIT GUIDE FOR EMPLOYERS
    Some employers in Zambia may find it necessary to recruit and employ temporary workers overseas for the purpose of filling particular positions that cannot be met from within Zambia. The following are the guidelines in question and answer for.

    1. How do I go about employing an overseas worker?
    Zambian employers may apply to the Chief Immigration Officer at immigration officer to employ a foreign worker (s) as long as they are able to establish that there are no Zambians suitably…

  22. IMWE BA.FI.KA.LA WHAT FAIR REPORTING DOES Z.W.D DOG??
    THAT SITE IS RUBBISH i WAS HAPPY IT WAS FAILING TO OPEN YESTERDAY.
    THERE WAS THAT DOCTOR WHO COMMITED SUICIDE IN NDOLA, THE BUST.ARDS REPORTED IT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS NOT HAPPY WITH THE PF GOVERNEMNT.
    BUT NONE INCLUDING HIS RELATIVE & GIRLFRIEND KNEW WHY HE KILLED HIMSELF CAUSE HE DDNT LEAVE ANY NOTE.

    VIVA GOVERNMENT!!!

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