President Edgar Lungu will tomorrow leave for Angola on the invitation of that country’s President Eduardo Dos Santos.
President Lungu made the announcement shortly after swearing in his Cabinet at State House saying the visit is beneficial to the country.
He said the invitation is a great honour as he will witness the launch of a Road that links Zambia and Angola.
President Lungu said among the people that will attend the event is Democratic Republic of Congo President Joseph Kabila.
Mr Lungu said he is aware that some critiques are condemning the visit but has assured the nation that the trip is in the interest of Zambians.
Meanwhile President Lungu has assured that the names of his Deputy Ministers would be announced before Parliament resumes sitting.
He has also noted that some ministers would be maintained and some are to be dropped.
The head of state said he would also make changes on the level of Permanent Secretary and District Commissioners.
He said on District Commissioners, he is involving the security wing of government to scrutinize people to be appointed.
President Lungu said he would be back in the country on Saturday and in His absence Vice President Inonge Wina would act as President.
Just advertise for some positions like DCs and PSs
Please I stand to be glimpsed. I think Lungu is not saying the truth here about the opening of a road linking Zambia & Angola.
As far as the factualities stand, Edgar Lungu is going to be a spectator when Angola officially endorse the linking of a rail line to Congo. Lies have short legs!
This Angola movements will one day unleash the hidden agendas. Even walls have ears & eyes,wait till things come to light.
Proverbs 15:3 ” The eyes of God are everywhere, keeping watch of all the good & bad”.
Please Lungu come back soon & fix the economy because the Kwacha is diminishing & melting like soap. The economy PF is a must priority, kamwendo munjila all time when only Mugabe comes to Zambia. The only since PF came to power! The 3 Dictators with Lungu, PITY.
The…
Do not mind the haters , get us cheap fuel, ulya Hakalusa Hagain.
God speed, Mr. President … Angolans need us and we need them
B R Mumba
Please check @3.3. I referred you as “Senior Citizen”, sorry brother man, but get the gist of my discourse.
Nevertheless, my apologies for the rendered misfortune to both you & Senior Citizen.
Your anticipation is welcome.
The Skeleton Key
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Democrat dinning with Dictators!
@skeleton:
Apologies accepted but please don’t ever refer to my big man KK ever again as “dictator” devoid of facts … thanks a trillion
B R Mumba,
You’re dwelling in denial. Whether you choose to be in denial, the FACT is that KK was & is still a dictator. He was kicked out by young women and men of integrity in 1991 after years of suffering. KK destroyed the economy of the country, copper sales had dropped, that’s no excuse.
It took FTJ & team to liberate the economy, KKs dictatorial tendencies where halted because democracy hooded him hostage.
There is nothing you can lie to me about KK BR Mumba, I’m privy to certain things which will send you in a corner.
I’ve been & still Prince of Barotseland, the Litungaship is my destiny just to set the record straight.Pure Barotse, so KKs hypocrisy is not far off. Cheat the younger generation but not me dear. I worked with the FTJ regime, privy to classified…
When I tell you that Zambia is a “unitary” of Barotseland & Northern Rhodesia viz The Barotseland Agreement 1964, you call us names.
Need I remind you that, the Zambian history is distorted and the national anthem you chorus, is Barotselands. Composed & composed by a Lozi brethren, incase you don’t know.
Simple question for you BR Mumba~
Who composed & wrote the “Zambian” national anthem?
Surely you are blunt, yapping for nothing man. All I can tell you is that, just zip your mouth shut and don’t talk about money. Just know that my entire family, friends and myself are stable, maybe even millions of dollars away from you.
If you want money, just say so, I can send upkeep for yous for over a year whilst you sleep. Talk something else, KK remains a dictator.
Bo Skeleton:
Cut this royal highness crap of prince this and that. I too am a prince and not even a subject of your Barotse nonsense. There’s only One Zambia and One Nation.
Now having put that aside let’s stick to the subject matter of KK’s dictatorship. Again, how is it a so called dictator could call for elections 3 years before his constitutionally mandated period is over?
When you answer that satisfactory then we will move to the next question … I thank you. And by the way, I am so glad that my dad refused to be embroiled in royal successions, it would have been a total waste of human potential.
Why would a brilliant man of his caliber aspire to siting on a throne made of animal fur adjudicating his subjects with court fees in form of chickens and goats then I take…
Iwe chi bilhazia mumba,do you even have time to screw your wife.bakakutombela
By the way … yapping about money reminds me of what Maureen Nkandu once said. She said sex is like money, those who talk a lot about it don’t have enough of it.
Keep your money, I have enough of mine …
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They need us because we have arable land and the entire western part of the country can be turned into a huge bread basket for their essential commodities. They have land but it is littered with land mine thus not arable.
They are currently importing 80% of their food products from Brazil across the Atlantic when they can get all of that from Zambia. Luanda is the Tokyo of Africa and their demand for cement products is huge. The entire Central Province in Zambia is limestone and we can be their largest exporter.
They are the most friendly of our neighbors because the majority of them lived in Zambia during their civil war. Most still have relatives in Zambia…
BR Mumba
I firstly address the primordial predicaments of sectionalism of political groups of Zambia, as I acknowledge & agree with Robert Molteno, so is David Mulford on tribalism or ethnicity.
I argue that, even though you have some validity on this issue, facts are that, ethnicity essentially is the main reason why Zambia is divided on tribal lines.
In the first republic 1964-72, there was inter party & intraparty competition & conflicts.Earlier in 1958 UNIP split from ANC because KK had a different agenda of imposing a one party state in early 1973. Violence drastically increased during the period.
In 1964 prior the BA’64 & independence, UNIPists were violently attacking ANC members b’coz the former had the strongest support.
Mumba
According to some validity you implored, in 1967, UNIP held a general conference for the central committee. Please Mumba & all those who have followed this debate note that, this was the FIRST & LAST, candidates were only elected by KK, that’s a fact!
After this conference party officials from Barotseland(WP) & Eastern province were alienated & banned b’coz of KKs inclination to the Northerners/Bemba.
As a result,United Party(UP) was formed but was banned,its members joined the ANC who factually won the majority & thus 1968. UNIP & KK were shocked & feared for its disappearance. From 1968-71, conflicts & violence perpetrated by UNIP then shifted to Northern & CB. The Bemba members accordingly lost political power due to arrays of events.
Mumba
The UNIP constitution was manipulated, & 1971 most Bembas left UNIP, formed UPP, thus United Progressive Party won a seat of the latter. UPP tried to form a coalition with the workers union, but within 2 weeks, the former was banned. Others joined ANC, a year before the Chona Declaration.
NOTE: Kenneth Kaunda is from Nyasaland, currently Malawi.
It was at this moment KK announced his personal agenda of creating a ONE PARTY STATE!During the one party state, KK as leader of UNIP ruled by the way of violence towards other ethnopolitical groups & tribes.
The second Republic which started in1973-91 after Chona Declaration in 1972, involved perpetual conflicts & violence, this increased class as well as tribal wars.
Mumba
KK & his UNIP prohibited opposition parties in an ACT of 1972 which came into effect in 1973. ANC & UPP petitioned with the courts which were under UNIP of KK to stop the legislation but all was in futile. many of the UNIP opponents where arrested & persecuted. The workers union objected. The inquiry commission was instituted about the one party state, alas UNIP & KK rejected the recommendations therein by incorporating provisions of centralizing power to KK. Meanwhile extreme violence was on & instigated by UNIP.
This is what led to the signing of the Choma Agreement by ANC, UPP members whilst they were being castigated by UNIP.
In 1975 the economy started plummeting, conflicts & violence were severe at this stage because of legislative elections of…
..one party state. All ANC & UPP party presidents were NOT allowed to participate in the presidential elections of 1978 within UNIP under one party state. The Bemba leader such as Simon Mwansa Kapwepwe & other presidential aspirants were always denounced by the Central Committee of UNIP.
In the 70s, the economy of Zambia, then under the current finance minister ABC, plummeted ( Mulford, 1973, Gurr, 1993; & Davies, 1972).
Hywel.D.Davies is a former Professor of Geography at the University of Zambia(UNZA). I wonder if you knew him at all.
KK & UNIP feared the arising of ANC & UPP. I must contend here that, with all the happenings, the first food riots were escalated. If you read my earlier comment, I mentioned about the Zambia people queuing for foodstuffs, eg Salt.
Mumba
Now when MMD was founded by Aurthur Wina, Akashambatwa Mbikusita Lewanika & many gallant women & men, with the help of the workers union in August 1990, democratically & without fear at that moment, “forced” KK+UNIP to hold the first ever multiparty system. Therefore in 1991 FTJ Chiluba became the first to be democratically elected as President. The economy was long dead under UNIP, food riots, conflicts & violence reached their epic as a result of KKs dictatorial mannerisms. The UNIP National Council had to more options but to accept the 1991 October elections.
I must emphasize that, after the colonial govt, Northern Rhodesia, former West Nyasa or East Luangwa acquired its name from Cecil Rhodes of BSA-co.
Mumba
In 1990, the constitution of Zambia was amended by the legislative, the election were held October 1991, KK the dictator & UNIP-19% were defeated by Movement for Multiparty Democracy(MMD) with a landslide victory with 81%
All along KK ruled under the State of Emergency, If you were really there BR Mumba, you can truly attest to the facts I have imperatively educated you despite your denial-ism! You are a danger to historical facts by your failures to acknowledge this issues I have raised because I was personally there as well as oral stories from my ancestors in Barotseland.
Oral Sources
>My Family,People of Barotseland,
-Muimui Anakandi 1901
-The Saa Sikalo Kuta
-Mubukwanu Imadi 1905
Indopu Inambao 1895
Imasiku 1921
Munukayumbwa Sipalo 1962
Mumba
I also have among many literature books & files for;
1.Mainza Chona
2.Harry Nkumbula
3.Sikota Wina
4.Simon Mwansa Kapwepwe
5.John Mwanakatwe
6.Reuben Kamanga
7.Lewis Changufu
8.Francis Stubbs among many Zambian politicians.
-The Norther Rhodesia Constitution-Order in council, 1962
-Report on the Northern Rhodesia Independence Conference with -Barotseland, held in London, May 1964.
-National achieves of Zambia
-Kenneth Kaunda-Rider & Horse in Northern Rhodesia-1964 & Some Personal Reflections, Africa’s Freedom-1955.
This should give you a wake up call, otherwise if you are still in denial that KK was & is a dictator, then that’s your sheepishness!
The Skeleton Key
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If you need more facts, I will show you.
Asante!
They need us because we have arable land and the entire western part of the country can be turned into a huge bread basket for their essential commodities. They have land but it is littered with land mine thus not arable.
They are currently importing 80% of their food products from Brazil across the Atlantic when they can get all of that from Zambia. Luanda is the Tokyo of Africa and their demand for cement products is huge. The entire Central Province in Zambia is limestone and we can be their largest exporter.
They are the most friendly of our neighbors because the majority of them lived in Zambia during their civil war. Most still have relatives in Zambia and I guarantee you, 90% of the Members of Parliament you will address were educated in Zambia.
They need our electricity because they don’t have the hydro potential we have, with the right policies in place they would end up as our largest trading partner with ZESCO.
They usually have long black out because their upcoming industrial base does consume more energy and they are almost twenty years behind schedule in building their own power grid.
We need them for their oil and we need to adopt their local content policies. American Energy Consultants kill to get a visa to Angola and if you want to see white people begging, just walk into any Consular office for Angola abroad.
All flights to Luanda are usually fully booked because there is so much business going on there, China is building new compounds there and list is endless. Angola is open for business and you’re our…
Angola is open for business and Mr. President, you’re the CEO of the smart people of the Zambian Enterprise. The CEO of ExxonMobil makes it a point to visit Angola once a month. Same with CEOs of BP, Shell, Total and Chevron.
And this kid Jay Jay is busy saying Angola’s oil is hard to process when all these CEOs are running there every month; when all these energy consultants go into mourning when their visa applications are denied.
If there was a country where real symbiotic bilateral relationships existed anywhere with Zambia, that country is Angola and they are right next door.
Hey Senior Citizens,
Edwardo Santos and his daughter, two of them are richer than Angola. I wonder what Lungu will come back with from that dictator of Angola.
The UNIP one state spoiled the relationship between Angola and Zambia because, the Zambian dictator of 27 years supported Savimbi. We have had unprecedented number of refugees from Angola and have since vowed never to go back to their own country. Using Lungu to apologize for someone who is alive & can speak for themselves is Sheboygan!
The economy is awaiting Lungu because the Zambian economy is nose diving & that is a fact, unless you also want to be in denial.
Angola & Congo especially are war torn countries led by dictators. What commonality a Democrat & Dictator have?
The Skeleton Key
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Mr. Skeleton whatever …. What was Hilary Clinton doing with the so called dictator when she visited in 2009? And KK a dictator? Is that what Kafupi the thief told you? You kids are amazing!
How can a dictator call for elections 3 years before his constitutionally mandate is over? How can a dictator hand over power peacefully to a gang of novices who ended up stealing and our national assets that took 27 years to build?
How come that dictator is the world’s revered statesman! Who taught you civics? Where did you grow up from, the street during Chiluba’s presidency? Did you even know that the one party participatory democracy wasn’t KK’s idea but Mainza Chona’s?
He brought his party to my party UNIP under the Choma Declaration and which meeting KK asked to step down? They…
KK told them in 1972 at the Choma Declaration that he had been president for 8 years and it was time for some one else to take over. They all refused saying the wars in Mozambique and Angola were ratcheting up and they needed him at the helm.
They cited instability in with Ian Smith in Rhodesia, Zaire now DRC, Namibia in the South West and others in the Great Lakes. They all said they needed KK’s leadership; KK dictator?
It was then that they declared him a life long president, wa muyayaya! It wasn’t KK’s idea but theirs, the opposition parties at the time. They disbanded of their own volition and you ignorantly want to accuse KK of being a dictator?
Even after losing to Kafupi, service chiefs told KK they were ready to squash the MMD, KK refused, dictator?!!
How dare you!
Talking about Isabel being the second richest billionaire woman in Africa! How can she not be rich with the kind astuteness she has. She could have been rich even if Dos Santos was not her father.
How come her other siblings are not as rich as she is despite sharing the same father? Akaso, nga mulefyaya ukuwina go invent something, open your own business and get busy.
Go get rich very rich like a millionaire kind of rich then come back here and blog on how to make money instead of denigrating the rich because of family connections. It won’t help, you too can be rich there’s so much wealth out there.
You won’t be rich by sitting here all time saying Lungu this, Lungu that … Lungu is living his dream, he is now president and you? Just dieing of akaso, hoping HH will one day…
Firstly B R Mumba, yes I am amazing but not a kid. Your illusions need to be corrected.
The Mainza declaration was in 1972, surely KK was already a dictator. KK had created alot of enemies, start with his fellow ANC, UNIP, Lenshinas who in fact escaped to Congo & Mozambique. Most women & children were massacred by UNIPIST.
The fact is that KK was & will always be a dictator. During his reign dear,there were no apples and people would queue for salt,bread & mealie meal among others!
I was there Mumba, you can’t cheat your slumber to me.
Kapwepwe, Nkumbula, Liso, Nalumino Mundia & many other gallant men & women were dehumanized by your dictator KK. Even the UN can’t recognize such persons who only stood against a frog!
@Skeleton:
Good to know you were there and so we can excogitate at a different level … hey listen I have a series of appointments this afternoon let’s continue on that dictator topic later tonight … Thanks a trillion
All good BR Mumba, best you have responded with respect, that is great. Even myself I’m busy.
Now you can understand where I come from & not blindly supporting unacceptable issues. History is my cup of tea.
Thanks in anticipation.
The Skeleton Key
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Why are you wasting time travelling to visit neighboring dictators? Why not visit nchelenge, gwembe or lukulu? What exactly have you done for the Zambian people in the last few weeks you have been in office other that wasting our tax money?
Why was Hilary Clinton, the U.S. Secretary of State visiting Angola in August, 2009? To strengthen relationships between Angola and the U.S.A. Visit, Ngelenge, visit Ngelenge, visit Ngelenge my foot.
A visit by the Secretary of State is as good as a presidential visit in dignity and you’re here talking about dictator this, dictator that. You guys amaze me, akaso! Kano nga nimwe!
All the best ur excellency,bt dont 4 get am still waitin
Hard working president! go Lungu, go PF!
@B R Mumba,
We don’t care what the USA does or who they visit. They have their own priorities and budget–we have ours. The president has a huge task ahead of him. He needs to familiarize himself with the challenges facing his people in Zambia. He needs to come up with a plan on how to revive the dead industries in Zambia, create jobs, lower food and fuel prices and so on. Angola, is not our strategic partner in any way. Look at the trade between the two countries, its almost zero. The president could focus on partnerships that create value for us. Again, we don’t care what Hillary did in Angola in 2009 but we care what Lungu is doing there in 2015. It’s our money he is using not his.
You’re full of hot air, you mentioned fuel, Angola has it. You want to cut fuel costs in more than half, get fuel from there. You want to create jobs, open cement factories, Angola will be your number one buyer.
You want to revive dead industries, go huge with agriculture with food processing plants in readiness for Angola, cut down their imports from 80% Brazil. Why I am wasting time on you any way because every thing in your statement above we can do with Angola.
That’s what Lungu is going there for, this visit is to find more markets for our products as much as opening new ventures, this is too much free info for the likes of you … You have no implementation capacity why even debate with you? My bad
Thanks Mr President.
Ignore the naysayers.
We are with you as long as you serve us well your Excellency.
@BR Mumba,
You got it all wrong. You cannot sell what you don’t have. What our president should be doing is develop partnerships with countries that bring real value to our people. I honestly, don’t see how Angola, a poor country, would open industries in Zambia when it will be cheaper for them to operate at home. I guess you are saying that he went to do the same thing in Zim? hmmm? Why are we partnering with economically and politically finished countries when we can forge frontiers with economic giants in the region? Angola is a consuming country just like Zambia. I work for a company that exports food to Angola.
You have no clue what you are talking about … it is no reason you don’t own the company that exports to Angola you simply “work for” it. Let me talk to your bosses, the owners they are the ones with an implementation strategy you have none.
Who said Angola would be opening industries in Zambia? Gosh!!! We already have what Angola is importing from other places and by the way every nation is a consumer nation. The Feds go nuts when consumer spending drops in the US. Why it is an economic driver.
Just in case you did not know, Angola is not poor … Zambia actually has less resources than Angola. Get your facts straight. Finally, trading with Angola would not only cut the cost of doing business but also add more value than anything you can think of right now.
I couldn’t resist the ongoing debate between the one B R Mumba and Skeleton. I find the proffered argument by both to be sound and persuasive and together to constitute a powerful cumulative case to who Kenneth Kaunda really was.
However, I wish to disagree with B R Mumba on a number of levels. For starters, Mumba is being intellectually dishonest because he’s choosing to ignore facts for the sake of wanting to win an argument.
B R Mumba wants to rewrite Kaunda’s history by showering him with accolades. However, history remembers KK differently and there’s enough evidence to that effect. Kaunda was a dictator and not the revised version we’re getting from you or populist politicians.
Ba Biz:
Let’s start by defining a dictator … what is a dictator? Then we can qualify that by attributing a dictator’s characteristics with those of KK. This is not just revisionist history but it is a lie perpetrated by those who wanted KK removed from power.
So, again please define a dictator for me and then give me evidence to the effect as it relates to KK.
I am waiting, thanks a trillion.
BR Mumba
Kaunda’s political party–the United National Independence Party (UNIP)–was founded in 1959 and was in power under Kaunda’s leadership from 1964 to 1991. Before 1972, Zambia had three significant political parties, but only UNIP had a nationwide following.
In December 1972, Zambian law established a one-party state, and all other political parties were banned; this was later enshrined in the 1973 constitution. Kaunda, the sole candidate, was elected President in the 1973 elections. Elections also were held for the National Assembly. Only UNIP members were permitted to run, but these seats were sharply contested. President Kaunda’s mandate was renewed in December 1978, October 1983, and October 1988 in a “yes” or “no” vote on his candidacy.
Growing opposition to…
Skeleton:
Great to have you back … I am back too. So, let’s get started. Your statement above is accurate except that you did not mention that the reason we had a revision to the Zambian Constitution in December 1972 was due to the Choma Declaration.
Now, let us look at what happen during that declaration meeting of the three political parties. Nkumbula and Mainza Chona called for the indaba. KK did not even get all the details of what the meeting was all about.
When the meeting was called after opening statements, KK speech was seasoned with grace and offered to step down only to be told by Mainza Chona that the reason they called for the meeting was to merge parties and join forces.
A declaration was then signed, Chona became VP and we One Party Statism stated.
Did KK impose himself? The answer is “NO” he did not. What it KK’s idea to change the constitution to One Party Participatory democracy? The answer is “NO”, it was Mainza Chona’s and Nkumbula not KK.
Do dictators impose their will on others? The answer is “YES”. Did KK impose himself and called the meeting that turned out to be the Choma Declaration? The answer is “NO!”
Now, do dictators step aside? The answer is “NO”. Did KK offer to? The answer is “YES” not once but twice before finally losing the 1991 election.
In 1958, KK asked Kapwepwe to take over ANC before forming UNIP the next year and Kapwepwe refused until KK left to start UNIP after internal strife.
BR Mumba
A dictator is a ruler who:
Rules by decree, via an Enabling Act or similar laws passed by a legislature allowing him to do so;
is an absolute ruler of a sovereign state, usually appointed, but without hereditary ascension;
governs outside the otherwise accepted rule of law;
commonly (but not necessarily) gaining power through fraud, a coup d’état, resorting to either again to continue in power;
may develop a cult of personality;
may be autocratic, oppressive, despotic or tyrannical.
Some so-called “benevolent dictators” may be viewed as beneficial and their leadership seen as a “necessary evil”. The modern usage of the term ‘dictator’ developed largely in response to instances of autocratic rule in republics, so remain in denial.
Great, now which of these attributes relate to KK? Stipulate for me when KK ruled by decree, via an Enabling Act or similar laws passed by a legislature allowing him to do so.
Please specify the decree(s) under review, enabling acts and/or similar laws passed by the Zambian parliament to the detriment of the smart people of the Zambian Enterprise.
I am waiting, I thank you … once you specify then we will move to the other issues in your own copied and pasted plagiarized explanation of who a dictator is.
I humbly await your response … thanks a trillion
Well, I take it that @Skeleton has no decree(s) under review, enabling act(s) and/or similar law(s) passed by the Zambian parliament to prove his case … I am retiring.
Good try Bo Skeleton … if you come up with details, I will be here to continue. Otherwise, goodnight …. thanks a trillion for your time.
Need I say more @B R Mumba, Sr.! I really like your cool-headed responses educating the so called “SOME OF US” who come on these blogs claiming to be knowledgeable and educated than they really are. Now they are getting exposed as to how deficient their KNOWLEDGE of FACTS about our country’s HISTORY is!
This is the kind of syndrome that has unfortunately afflicted most of our friends of UPND persuasion. They have an affinity to “BUZZ WORDS” and “SUPERFICIAL ARGUMENTATIONS” that seems to “SALE/PASS as FACTS” on a certain website. Once confronted with REAL FACTS, they simply disappear to lick their bruised egos.
@Skeleton, “History is [your] cup of tea” and B.R. Mumba Sr. has taken you to school on it, what is your response? Still checking the Zambian historical archives?
Yambayamba,
Its all good, you have nothing to offer and I will leave you like that. Reasons being that, you are to quick to judge.
One thing you should know is that, there is a time difference and more important things to do in life than you who sleeps on lusakatimes. Let sleeping dogs sleep!
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Skeleton:
Great to have you back … I am back too. So, let’s get started. Your statement above is accurate except that you did not mention that the reason we had a revision to the Zambian Constitution in December 1972 was due to the Choma Declaration.
Now, let us look at what happen during that declaration meeting of the three political parties. Nkumbula and Mainza Chona called for the indaba. KK did not even get all the details of what the meeting was all about.
When the meeting was called after opening statements, KK speech was seasoned with grace and offered to step down only to be told by Mainza Chona that the reason they called for the meeting was to merge parties and join forces.
A declaration was then signed, Chona became VP and we One Party Statism stated.
Ba B R Mumba
Lets qualify who is a dictator. Dictatorship is one of those nebulous terms, which has various definitions. The traits can vary depending on the country, organization, team, management or work environment.
It can also vary in style — are you absolute or benevolent dictator?
According to the Collins Dictionary – a dictator is the following:
1. a ruler not effectively restricted by a constitution, laws, recognized opposition;
2. In ancient Rome, a person appointed during a crisis to exercise absolute supreme authority;
3. A person who authoritatively prescribes on conduct, fashion, usage etc.
It’s important to note that the style of leadership that are effective for one country may in fact be counterproductive for another to almost being deemed…
B R Mumba,
I am a productive man, time difference is a factor. I have family to take care of, otherwise, here I am.
As I ponder ahead, my literature review will be based on empirical evidence as well as oral learning from my ancestors.
Note that, you failed to answer my question! Nevertheless, here is what you need to know and comprehend for the rest of your life.
I argue that, KK was & still, is a DICTATOR of 27 years. The next discourse, will relate to the attributes of KKs decree ruler-ship. additionally, the enabling “laws” passed by parliament.
The Skeleton Key
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BR Mumba
I firstly address the primordial predicaments of sectionalism of political groups of Zambia, as I acknowledge & agree with Robert Molteno, so is David Mulford on tribalism or ethnicity.
I argue that, even though you have some validity on this issue, facts are that, ethnicity essentially is the main reason why Zambia is divided on tribal lines.
In the first republic 1964-72, there was inter party & intraparty competition & conflicts.Earlier in 1958 UNIP split from ANC because KK had a different agenda of imposing a one party state in early 1973. Violence drastically increased during the period.
In 1964 prior the BA’64 & independence, UNIPists were violently attacking ANC members b’coz the former had the strongest support.
Ohoo, oh @Skeleton, I am super productive with my oldest son getting married in two months, my two younger kids in college, running my own businesses, etc. and living my dream here in the USA.
I fully understand the time difference too but you haven’t answered my question. So, don’t turn around and say I have not answered yours! For argument sake, what was the question again?
I will answer it again but you have a list of itemized issues coming your way but until you answer those questions don’t come over here and start telling to drink your cool aid.
I don’t need to know and comprehend anything for the rest of my life just because Bo Skeleton said it! You have a wrong guy for that! Especially buzz words like KK was and still a dictator without any empirical evidence, baba.
Mumba
According to some validity you implored, in 1967, UNIP held a general conference for the central committee. Please Mumba & all those who have followed this debate note that, this was the FIRST & LAST, candidates were only elected by KK, that’s a fact!
After this conference party officials from Barotseland(WP) & Eastern province were alienated & banned b’coz of KKs inclination to the Northerners/Bemba.
As a result,United Party(UP) was formed but was banned,its members joined the ANC who factually won the majority & thus 1968. UNIP & KK were shocked & feared for its disappearance. From 1968-71, conflicts & violence perpetrated by UNIP then shifted to Northern & CB. The Bemba members accordingly lost political power due to arrays of events.
For instance, let me give a good example of who fits your earlier part of the definition you gave. FTJ does!!! I guess you didn’t see that one coming ehee? Using the part that you haven’t answered yet here we go.
Chiluba ruled by decree immediately he got into office in 1991. He soon discovered that the job he had applied for was too big for his breaches, people lost jobs through his rushed privatization process.
Penza had died and could not explain anything other than democracy because he had no economic sense. As the elections were approaching he was loosing popularity, UNIP had adopted KK.
Using the Zambian parliament he enacted the infamous “parentage” clause as an enabling act to bar KK from starting. Your FTJ is a dictator according to your plagiarized definition.
Mumba
Same here in Australia. I have engagements & currently needed in Canada. Otherwise, take time to synthesize what I have said. Read to understand & not just rushing as if you are winning a medal. This is history which you & myself are sharing to the young ones as well as the future generations.
I have seemingly noticed that, you are NOT even paying attention, otherwise this debate loses value.
Hold your horses & let me finish what I have to say in explaining the leadership of KK & UNIP.
Here is another example of your guy FJT fitting your own definition of a dictator. When his term ended, Chiluba wanted the constitution to be amended so that he could go for a third term.
The smart people of the Zambian Enterprise revolted, in fact to his own detriment Sata spearheaded that and when we the people prevailed FTJ bypassed everyone woke up Levy at night and the rest is history.
I can go on and one using your own definition to attribute FTJ your former boss to it which is empirical at every turn instead of insinuations.
Hey, Bo Skeleton, I don’t know if you have really followed my blogs but, I spend weekends with my family and attend to other serious issues then. So, hit me up next week Monday. I will give you the whole, let’s get to the bottom of this.
Enjoy,…
Mumba
You can run but won’t hide. We all busy & don’t imagine that you’re the only one who is. You are living in denial about KKs dictatorship, but I will propound it for you dear.
Surely you are seeing it coming your way. Note that I have not yet addressed the issues of Kapwepwe,Maiza Chona, Musokotwane, Gray Zulu, Lisulo, Ngenda Sipalo, Richard Ngenda, Nkumbula, Kaluwe and many more, such us The Litunga, Sir Mwanawina III KBE, King of Barotseland the signatory to the Barotseland Agreement 1964, including KK the dictator of 27 years. I strongly stand.
Unless you will forever be en-coiled in denial, even a grade 2 knows the facts I have & will continue to address.
More is coming, it my time now to do so. You had your own time
Mumba
The UNIP constitution was manipulated, & 1971 most Bembas left UNIP, formed UPP, thus United Progressive Party won a seat of the latter. UPP tried to form a coalition with the workers union, but within 2 weeks, the former was banned. Others joined ANC, a year before the Chona Declaration.
NOTE: Kenneth Kaunda is from Nyasaland, currently Malawi.
It was at this moment KK announced his personal agenda of creating a ONE PARTY STATE!During the one party state, KK as leader of UNIP ruled by the way of violence towards other ethnopolitical groups & tribes.
The second Republic which started in1973-91 after Chona Declaration in 1972, involved perpetual conflicts & violence, this increased class as well as tribal wars.
Mumba
KK & his UNIP prohibited opposition parties in an ACT of 1972 which came into effect in 1973. ANC & UPP petitioned with the courts which were under UNIP of KK to stop the legislation but all was in futile. many of the UNIP opponents where arrested & persecuted. The workers union objected. The inquiry commission was instituted about the one party state, alas UNIP & KK rejected the recommendations therein by incorporating provisions of centralizing power to KK. Meanwhile extreme violence was on & instigated by UNIP.
This is what led to the signing of the Choma Agreement by ANC, UPP members whilst they were being castigated by UNIP.
In 1975 the economy started plummeting, conflicts & violence were severe at this stage because of legislative elections of…
..one party state. All ANC & UPP party presidents were NOT allowed to participate in the presidential elections of 1978 within UNIP under one party state. The Bemba leader such as Simon Mwansa Kapwepwe & other presidential aspirants were always denounced by the Central Committee of UNIP.
In the 70s, the economy of Zambia, then under the current finance minister ABC, plummeted ( Mulford, 1973, Gurr, 1993; & Davies, 1972).
Hywel.D.Davies is a former Professor of Geography at the University of Zambia(UNZA). I wonder if you knew him at all.
KK & UNIP feared the arising of ANC & UPP. I must contend here that, with all the happenings, the first food riots were escalated. If you read my earlier comment, I mentioned about the Zambia people queuing for foodstuffs, eg Salt.
Mumba
Now when MMD was founded by Aurthur Wina, Akashambatwa Mbikusita Lewanika & many gallant women & men, with the help of the workers union in August 1990, democratically & without fear at that moment, “forced” KK+UNIP to hold the first ever multiparty system. Therefore in 1991 FTJ Chiluba became the first to be democratically elected as President. The economy was long dead under UNIP, food riots, conflicts & violence reached their epic as a result of KKs dictatorial mannerisms. The UNIP National Council had to more options but to accept the 1991 October elections.
I must emphasize that, after the colonial govt, Northern Rhodesia, former West Nyasa or East Luangwa acquired its name from Cecil Rhodes of BSA-co.
Mumba
In 1990, the constitution of Zambia was amended by the legislative, the election were held October 1991, KK the dictator & UNIP-19% were defeated by Movement for Multiparty Democracy(MMD) with a landslide victory with 81%
All along KK ruled under the State of Emergency, If you were really there BR Mumba, you can truly attest to the facts I have imperatively educated you despite your denial-ism! You are a danger to historical facts by your failures to acknowledge this issues I have raised because I was personally there as well as oral stories from my ancestors in Barotseland.
Oral Sources
>My Family,People of Barotseland,
-Muimui Anakandi 1901
-The Saa Sikalo Kuta
-Mubukwanu Imadi 1905
Indopu Inambao 1895
Imasiku 1921
Munukayumbwa Sipalo 1962
Ba Mumba
You may be in denial, but try telling that to the victims of Kaunda’s repression. I know how it feels first hand because my family was a victim of Chiluba’s repression.
Mumba
I also have among many literature books & files for;
1.Mainza Chona
2.Harry Nkumbula
3.Sikota Wina
4.Simon Mwansa Kapwepwe
5.John Mwanakatwe
6.Reuben Kamanga
7.Lewis Changufu
8.Francis Stubbs among many Zambian politicians.
-The Norther Rhodesia Constitution-Order in council, 1962
-Report on the Northern Rhodesia Independence Conference with -Barotseland, held in London, May 1964.
-National achieves of Zambia
-Kenneth Kaunda-Rider & Horse in Northern Rhodesia-1964 & Some Personal Reflections, Africa’s Freedom-1955.
This should give you a wake up call, otherwise if you are still in denial that KK was & is a dictator, then that’s your sheepishness!
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If you need more facts, I will show you.
Asante!
Biz
Ba Mumba is in denial. Even the Leshina church members were brutalized & others massacred by the UNIP regime. He thinking by being in denial will earn him a trophy. But the reality is that, those who truly know the history about the issues discussed will be awe to read the betrayal of BR Mumba.
Otherwise, he lacks honesty & truth. Keep it Biz.
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Skeleton
Ki tumezi ahulu for shedding light on some of our political events. I am teaching me the history of my people. I like your fighting spirit!
The truth about Kaunda is well documented. In the words of one Yuyi Kwalombota Libakeni, “Now, when we Stand and Sing of Zambia Proud and Free, let’s remember, this is the Story, these are the Men and Women. There may not be room for them on the State Honors List but in our hearts there’s honor for them, in Darkness or in Death.”
What is Lungu afraid of? It seems every time he announces cabinet appointments he has to leave the country the next day. Is that what his nganga told him to do? TIA FOR REAL!!!! LOL
Finale scores B.R MUMBA SNR 10 SKELETON 3 , looks like the brother Skeleton brought à knife to a gun fight.
ECL Show me your friends and tell u who you are.
So far it’s Mugabe, Dos Santos, RB and Katumbi.
Not a good image.
There he goes again……
Just likes to travel and waste tax payers money.He has barely settled and has made 5 trips already…
I told you zambians….Be warned this is Pf you voted for…
Good luck to Zambia But i feel so sad that the country is run down!
Edger 747 ndeke……..