The Lusaka High Court has quashed the findings of the Dennis Chirwa tribunal that found former Communications and transport minister Dora Siliya in breach of the constitution.
Lusaka High Court Judge, Phillip Musonda has found that Dennis Chirwa tribunal exercised excessive jurisdiction when it invoked Article 54 sub-section 3 to declare Ms. Siliya in breach of the constitution.
The Dennis Chirwa tribunal found that Ms. Siliya breached the constitution for disregarding legal advice from the Attorney General’s chambers relating to a Memorandum of Understanding between government and RP Capital partners of Caymans Islands to value Zamtel Assets at $2 million.
Ms. Siliya applied for judicial review in which she challenged the Tribunals’ powers to invoke constitutional provisions which are a preserve of the High Court.
Judge Musonda in the ruling delivered found that Ms. Siliya did not breach the constitution and further said the Dennis Chirwa tribunal findings that there was no breach of part two of the parliamentary and ministerial code of conduct will remain undisturbed.
He said findings that Ms. Siliya did not breach part two of the parliamentary and ministerial code means she is cleared by the tribunal and the High Court under Article 54 subsection 3 of the constitution.
[ZNBC]
I am NOT surprised.This is normal in Zambia at the moment.
She will be the next vice president or given another higher post.
Of course this was tabloid propaganda and vendetta. It is now possible for RB to reinstate her! Let’s invest more time on real criminals and cartels.
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We always knew Rooftop Barman would bring this woman back in. This dull transitional president just had to make one more controversial move. He keeps on protecting these sacred cows. None of these corruption cases will ever bring results, so this transitional village headman must give us a break by dissolving all tribunals and task forces and save our resources for other things.
The Judge is very right.It wasnt Rocket Science to tell that the tribunal oversteppe its duties.Now Harrington will commit suicide for the same will happen at the supreme court.Dora was just a victim of political enmity and those that are enviuos of her achievements in life.
Interesting indeed! A high court judge finding a supreme court judge at fault! Only in Zed indeed…
RB, just quit all the inquiries into the Chilubas, Mitis and Kapokos. The nation needs to channel these moneys into other programs. If all the crooks will eventually be freed, you might as well free them now. Forget about justice and the law, it’s not meant for you primitive people.
Okay, she gets back her post. Kapoko too. Justice par excellence.
#3 ulapepa ifyamba, You are the only one speaking for the thieves. We are suppose to be denoucing thieves and not supporting them . This is not rocked science for you to see white and black. This govt and the leadership is disfunctional and horrible! They have overuled on very important and straight forward case. Look at Chiluba for instance. Alll those case indicted on him have been reduced to nothing and we saw him porking fun on the judiciary. What in the world is this sickenning system? People c’mon now! this is pathetic system. I’m a young generation and i think HH is the only person making sense. The man speak economy honest and Zambi-can.
When the same courts convict former defence chiefs, people are in a hurry to praise them, so whats wrong with Dora’s ruling? Just because you hate her or RB should not be the basis of attacking the ruling. Viva Justice, viva Eric Silwamba, lawyer waba laywer!!!
Its common knowledge, birds of the same feather flock together
Haaaahhh! this is shocking news… let me not faint/collapse… OOoops!!!!!!!!!
Judge Dennis Chirwa must resign from the Supreme Court on moral grounds and incompetence.
What, I’m saying what???!!!!
expect a lot more circus, this is zamian law.
Im not suprised either! Dora please come back to Ministry of Transport and communications. Come and sell Zamtel quickly. We wasted time with the Harington nosense tribunal. VP Kunda was correct. Is there any law to try Harington for alarming the nation? Learned collegues, please give us advise
Here is advice to Harrington. Go for a judicial review or appeal of this high court findings before Justice Chirwa, i will sponsor you. Come on quickly before I change my mind…..!!!!! I mean faster than quickly….!!!!!!
Justice is justice. Justice is not only when it works for you. Learn to respect our courts. Let Dora Siliya take back her appointment with immediate effect. She was unfairly hounded out by the real criminals at the weekly POST who defrauded National Airports and alot of Zambia financial institution. And it is sickening that they even wanted to be ZAMTEL so that they can pop up their useless ISP that is not even working. Mmembe and his team are the real criminals
i said it dont waste time on siliya Zambia has mo serous issues… look at the roads, water, education, health, infrastructure not busy establishing tribunals wasting public funds….Harrington go and get a Life! we dont want to waste public funds ala….
I have no hope in this govt. very Ashamed of this leadership.
It was expected. We just have to wait for the next govt 2011 to clean up the house. Ask yourselves- same judges contradicting each other. Judicary should be independent so as not to be receiving instructions from state house. Next Ka Chiluba will be found free from all wrong doing- mark this day.
It’s been difficult to close my mouch. Iam shocked. Worse off that there even bloggers who can say Dora is innocent. What innocence is there when someone disregards professional advice and even awards a tender when she has no constitutional powers to do so. It’s crazy very Crazy…this country eish awe mwe. Number 3 & 6 are you for real. Iam still pinching myself trying to wake up.
#13,No need to faint.Just a quick look at the findings of the tribunal will reveal that Dora in her ministerial duties did nothing wrong(She did not breach both the Constitutiona sa well as parliamentary code of conduct).But Harrington with a Know-It-All-attitude thought he was an Expert in legal and constitutiona matters and never bothered to seek advice.But today,his personal hatred for has been exposed by the learned jugde in philip Musonda.
This is the most *****ic of rulings coming out of Zambian courts of law. Is there law practice in Zambia or simply a circus of invents? The most stupid of these corrupt judges. They are a just a bunch of imbeciles, period.
The levels of buffonery in this country are no longer a laughing matter but are getting to annoying proportions. Since when has the Legal Opinion of a high court Judge superseded that of a Supreme Court Justice????????? Lawyers redeem yourselves this is ridiculous
#19. MMD Chief Bootlicker. Justice? What justice? RB is obstructing the ends of justice by marching shoulder to shoulder with ‘criminals.’ What was Dora Siliya doing in Livingstone where she was pictured with RB?
# 23 you could not have said it better….!!
This RB is a time-waster.
He should just go back to what he knows best-cultivating fodya period.
Justice at last! The Tribunal overstepped their bounderies. Now we will see what The Boast will write about – they will still twist the finding. Pure hated.
I agree with Deja Vu that Chiluba will be freed too. Does Zambia really need lawyers and courts of law? These institutions in Zambia are clearly meaningless and should be abolished because they don’t serve any legal purpose but seem to pander to the dictates of the corrupt community.
#26 Lundazi,What charge are you slapping her ttat will be tantamount to a criminal charge?
Siliya should even be proud about it when she knows too well that VA KUMA BACK DOOR.
The precedents we set will be so costly in future. [ A quick reminder in order to punish one man the nation through Parli. resolved that motor vehicle theft is not bailable… Short term there aim was achieved, long term they tested the very rule the put in place]
Lusaka Times, you just deleted my comment when you indicated you were moderating it. Where is the freedom of expression and are scared of the corrupt jerks in Zambia?
This is a Joke!!!!!!
The jig mater is @ it again
Unbelievable …crap
I am not a lawyer but this was just pure common sense. The Tribunal acted like a ‘vigilante’ group rather than a group of learned men. This is sad for justice. It is like I once said on this site, KK’s son was accused of manslaughter but the court found him guilty of murder! Naturally a higher court acquitted him. The court’s or tribunal’s job is not to be the investigator and charger as well as jury at the same time. The court or tribunal must answer to the question before them in light of the evidence adduced. Mr Harrington did not accuse Ms Siliya of breach of constitution. He may do so now, but he did not do that then.
#26 Lundazi,What charge are you slappingeon her that will be tantamount to a criminal charge?I believe in impartiality and not just some ploy form peolple.If Dora is/was found with a case to answer,I will be quick to condemn her.
The squashing of Dora Siliya’s tribunal findings by Lusaka High Court Justice Philip Musonda is one of the most *****ic things happening in the country at the moment. It appears that the courts of law and some lawyers are all out to promote corruption in Zambia. Such a ruling will only encourage other leaders to act like Siliya did knowing that the law is impotent and little oiling of the palms would set them free. Zambian courts of law have become irrelevant and therefore it would be justified to abolish them.
ifya bupuba kwati tuli baiche atase. so if u belong to the MMD then you will never be found with a case. if i were kapoko i would have joined MMD
Lusaka Times, let my comments stand so that they know people are upset by the rulings. Stop deleting comments after all you survive by virtue of our comments and readership of your web portal.
# 25 I love that….levels of buffonery!! It exists even amongst fellow bloggers and we get surprised why instead of even being at stand still this country has started reversing.
Lusaka Times, you have deleted three of my comments in a space of five minutes and yet I merely saying the truth about the vagaries of the Zambia legal system.
The result of too much interference from the tabloid press in our justice system is that there will be less and less justice meted out. We have journalists who have acquired half baked law degrees and they think they know it all. I am sorry to say this but while I trust that the Post editors have the highest good of Zambia at heart, they have become too powerful and that feeling of invulnerability goes to one’s head. Pierce Morgan former editor of the British Mirror once acknowledged how this power is destructive. He ran rough shod over people’s lives leaving them in tatters. Amos and Fred are doing the same. One day tables will be turned when in their old age they will find younger people doing the same to them. Let us not try to influence justice through the media. See you in court.
#29 The tribunal was comprised of two supreme court justices and an emminent high court judge and you teel me the legal opninon of one judges holds supreme to theirs? why do people appeal to the supreme court, if it’s not the highest court?
Siliya was wrong the intentions of her actions was never for Zambia’s benefit she was doing it because Henry Bannda was involved!!!!
Was that the reason why the president has not yet appointed anyone in “her portfolio?” I’m sure she will be reappointed. Infact she has always been working – accompanying the president to important circles?
Lusaka Times, you are now trying to stifle dessent by deleting comments. WHo are you serving, the corrupt people of the disadvantaged?
Countries are governed by laws. Laws are administered by the Courts. If the Courts find Dora innocent, why are we complaining? Why do we have a grudge against a woman who was merely doing her job? Why do we hate her so much that we want her to dissappear? It appears the evil is not in the courts! It is in our hearts because where law has stated that someone is innocent, we want her to be found guilty by force! Is this democracy? Is this way of thinking progressive? The only difference between humans and animals is that we are governed by a written law. If we do away with this, then we are no different. Ask Clinton!
OK Justice has been undone! We should see more of such. How could those “learned Judges” go out of their way and pronounce thing that were not in their jurisdiction. RB at work. This country is gone to the Kennels.
#41 it sickening the BS that goes on in this country. If you are abroad it mght feel different. But to live thru it it’s harrowing. We have leaders that behave like total drolls.
It looks like all this was set up to remove shame on our VP who supported Siliya’s actions long before the tribunal was set up to investigate the allegations. So now our VP has cleared his face. How can the same court judges pass two different rulings. It does not make sanse. What crup is going on in this country, whta justice do we have here. Is it only for poor people.
but zoina…zambia the real africa
I need to consult my lawyers before I expose my ignorance on this one.
This previous government was not a government of men but laws. This one is not a government of men but of laws and women.
#43. THE SAINT. To you, the Judge Chirwa tribunal was chaired by The Post?
The handling of the Dora Siliya’s tribunal findings by Lusaka High Court Justice Philip Musonda is absurd and leaves much to be desired about our legal system. It appears that the courts of law and some lawyers are all out to promote corruption in Zambia by allowing corrupt people to go unpunished. Such a ruling will only encourage other leaders to act like Siliya did knowing that the law is impotent and little oiling of the palms would set them free. Zambian courts of law have become irrelevant and therefore it would be justified to abolish them. There clearly two things we don’t need in Zambia; courts and the lawyers and the police.
” A child can play with his mothers boobs but he cant play with the fathers balls”
— African wisdom
#47 dont annoy me. What you should know is that laws are made by people and people can change laws to suit them at the time. what are you saying.Here it has been twisted to fit the people involved
So, if H appeals to supreme court the same case could come before a panel consisting Chirwa among others?
Remember the Chief Justice not too long ago declared there was too much corruption in the Judiciary.
Hence our Judiciary might not be entirely free from theevil menaces of those with corruptly obtained wealth.
Any person competent in legal knowledge would have foreseen this from a mile away. The problem with the majority of bloggers on here and zambians is that you think the courts work on personal feelings and grudges instead of points of law and fact. Theres no single system of law on this planet that convicts on rejecting legal advice from the attorney general. I think the whole lot of you disgruntled people have been owned on realities of law. The courts are not the same as the village headmen or elders . Funny enough I only noticed two other people on this blog that could see right through this case.
Ha, what a judiciary. Rotten to the teeth bane! Viva Sata
#54 monalisasyndrome
43. THE SAINT. To you, the Judge Chirwa tribunal was chaired by The Post?
Sorry, you have missed the point. There was an incessant attack on Ms Siliya for over a month in one editorial after another before the tribunal began to sit. The tribunal is made up of men and they are bound to be affected one way or another. Similarly, it was the ‘matrix of plunder’ submitted by the Post that made HE LPM, SC to move against his benefactor. Think about it; now that there has been no noise from the Post, the HC has delivered a different judgment. Anyone of us at one time or another will need the courts to defend us against vigilante groups. Believe me, when that happens, you will be glad when your innocence is approved.
Zambia is a shopping mall of corruption bane!
Is it unconstitutional to give a Judge a bl0w j0b?
Bottom power at work dot com
Its very disppointing to note that most of you bloggers are shallow minded. A lot of you supporting Dora today, said very nasty words against her. problem is, you simply go ahead and comment on issues which you dont clearly understand and follow the majoritys’ opinion. My advice is understand before making s.i.l.l.y conclusions.
#44 Movement for Mass Destruction says:
#29 The tribunal was comprised (ERRATA: composed) of two supreme court justices and an emminent high court judge and you teel me the legal opninon of one judges holds supreme to theirs? why do people appeal to the supreme court, if it’s not the highest court?
OR ‘comprised two supreme…’
Why not squash everything. When it pleases you the judgement stays. When it doesn’t please you the judgement is squashed. People have been fooled. whoever appointed the tribunal new too well that it had no powers and its ruling will be squashed.
#54 you honestly believe that or it’s your way of sharing a light moment?
Iyi yonse niyakumbuyo. Nothing else. Our Judges, you are a disgrace.
No. 64 UFO. Yes. It is supposed to be ceremonial!!!
In Zambia, Corruption has worsened to the extent that it has spread to institutions that are supposed to fight it. I believe we have now reached a stage where we urgently need courageous men the likes of Mwamba Luchembe and Captain Solo to liberate the country from the vultures that are wantonly destroying public resources, taxpayers and donors money. If the situation doesn’t get arrested now, the corrupt people will dangerously become vicious and ruthless like drug cartels. Drug cartels have enormous support from the police and the situation in Zambia is not far from that because the police are now considered to be among the most corrupt in the country. The legal system has become weak which in itself is a recipe for anarchy in the country.
Law is Law……NOT GUILTY as charged
#72 jafy
I beg to differ. Corruption has not worsened in Zambia. It is just that there is now more light shinning on the corrupt and they are being found out. When you are in a dark room you cannot say is dirty because you cannot see, but once you turn on the light, you see all the dirt that was always there but never noticed. Zambians were stealing from years ago. A former Minister of State in UNIP once told me that they were all allowed to steal up to a certain amount. But ‘that one stole too much’ he said, commenting about a minister who had just been fired by KK.
hhhhhmmmmm
# 47 u r very right. This is the spirit of the 21st century . Insults and grudges are a primitive way of life really. How honestly can one condemn wromg with insults?
This is a real Animal Farm Novel being acted in the Zambian Goverment ,we need Moses to liberate our Zambia. let us work up My peace loving Zambians to face reality .
#60 SlumDog, I totally agree.The problem with boggers think that Courts act on public opninoin or just some kangaroo court to appease some people
#72 jafy
Could it be that more people are now being caught than before?
Corruption may have actually gone down but light is shinning in the dark corners where the corrupt once hid.
why are you surprised, the law says innocent until proved guilty. the lady is innocent of breaching the law but guilty of excessive makeup and mini shirts, cannot wait to see your next appointment.
Circus pa Zed! I left Zed so that i can have things genuinely and not through corruption.Those who support it surely they went to colleges dubiously.But one day time will catch up with you.I support #14 this Judge Chirwa should resign because he has embarassed not only himself but the profession.
Guilty findings at lower court do not always translate to guilty at an appeals court. There are several cases in the US and Europe were judgements have been overturned by an appeals court. It was very clear from the proceedings that Dora Siliya did not steal nor did she initiate the transctions in the ministry. She found on going transctions in her ministry, The concern at hand was the use of influence, You might notice that over the period of time people lost track of the real case and started assuming that Dora stole money. This, I believe is as a result of the media which was busy shifting peoples from an financial abuses to Dora’s case. Lets be reading between the lines. Remember that Harringtone started the case with newspaper cuttings as envidence and a corrupt PS as his witness
IT IS PATHETIC TO SEE THE CALIBRE OF SEMI EDUCATED ZAMBIANS ON THIS BLOG.
I AM NOT A LAWYER BUT I KNOW THAT: 1. A TRIBUNAL IS INFERIOR TO THE HIGH COURT. 2.THE HIGH COURT HAS UNLIMITED JURISDICTION INCLUDING OVER TRIBUNALS….3. SUPREME COURT JUDGES WERE NOT ADMINISTERING AN APPEAL FROM THE HIGH COURT BUT WERE MERELY PART OF THE TRIBUNAL….EVEN A MEGISTRATE IN MY VIEW QUALIFYS TO SIT ON A TRIBUNAL???? 4. WHY DID THESE LEARNED GUYS GET EXCITED AND TALK ABOUT THINGS THEY WERE NOT MANDATED TO DO……IF A GUY IS TAKEN TO COURT FOR STEALING A BOTTLE OF MOSI …WHY SHOULD A JUDGE INFORM THE ROAD TRAFFIC FIMO FIMO TO SAY HE WASDRUNK & DRUNKEN DRINKING….JUST BECAUSE HE OWNS A CAR…..
I love the Drama, curtain are falling! where is my popcorn basket?
#60 unless your only connection to Zambia is this forum, you could understand why people are disgruntled, desperate, disillusioned, hopeless and generallt angry.
there is so much monet plifered by government workers and ministers – money raised from high taxes. Meantime the private sector continues to suffer coz the cost of doing business (high taxation included) is too high. So where are we headed to with all this reckless behaviour? Now our courts which we hoped would help us curb this cancer seem to be succumbing……shame a nation doomed is this one.
I knew it ,in this country everything has gone to dogs,we have no where to run to.Those with a relative in state house can do anything b-coz they are above the law,there is dora freed.wat is wrong in this country,the next thing you will here is the thief of the century l being freed(F T J)
God, help us!!!
#77 rightfully so, The trial was a sham and the only reason why most bloggers don’t want to accept is the viseral haterd for Dora. Dora was guilty from the start in their eyes so anything that says otherwise is vehemently rejected by them. This is not over justice it’s over opinion and public opinion is against dora. I don’t condon . What Dora did though it may have been morally wrong doesn’t mean it was legally wrong. the judges at the tribunal in my opinion did not exhibit judicial impartiality they just caved into to public opinion.
What bothers me is suddenly there’s this inherent distrust of the judiciary, … Suddenly, we’re blaming everybody we can blame.For liberty, we need a respected judiciary. For the sake of preserving our liberty, we need to insist that the courts begin again to deserve the respect from a free people that makes their work possible. Bringing such discipline to the judiciary is, at bottom, a political task. It is one more essential job that only a principled and vigilant citizenry can accomplish.
Dora am glad you made it baby,haters remain hating while players play.Thats how the game goes…….swag on Mis Siliya.
If Zed was a company nga bali ichita liquidate.No serious investor will take our Zed programmes seriously.Even countries which have been at war will be better that ours.Just wait even Zim will pick-up and you will be the laughing chicken of SADC.
#88 so just because you are disgruntled then you should call for heads to roll? Dora siliya in your mind is a scapegoat for all the troubles in zambia . You need to separate feelings from reality because decisions made with emotions are usually the wrong ones. What dora did may have provoked emotional instability but remember the courts are not counsellors or make you feel good centres. Just because you don’t like somebody does not in any way make it okay to justice not to be served on them.
I wonder if the post have anymore up their sleeves
Dora please get married, its not good to use yours in any defence. Quantrain 1 vs 10
Mwebantu, this woman is ugly mwe.
# 67 there is nothing unconstitutional about giving a judge a BJ. what would be wrong is giving a judge a BJ and you found with no case to answer, sori 4 lady judges no BJ’s 4 for only…
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
CAN SHE LIVE PLEASE
That is RB and Dora were always found in closed door meetings. So is she going to be a minister again.
# 91 Slumdog Shalapungu
Walikwete malnutrition kubwaice.
#95, they obviously have! they are never short of anything!
Congratulations Ms MP Dora Siliya on your winning the Hourt Court appeal case.
However, “Judge Musonda in the ruling delivered found that Ms. Siliya did not breach the constitution and further said the Dennis Chirwa tribunal findings that there was no breach of part two of the parliamentary and ministerial code of conduct will remain undisturbed” and “Lusaka High Court Judge, Phillip Musonda has found that Dennis Chirwa tribunal exercised excessive jurisdiction when it invoked Article 54 sub-section 3 to declare Ms. Siliya in breach of the constitution“ are serious anomallies while boarder on this appearing like a circus for the High Court Judge is seemingly contracting himself.
Anyhow, such was expected. I ask the …
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AMMEEZZEEDD? Amazed? I knew it. George Kunda and RB, are behind all this. Iwe dora Umulandu taubola. What goes around, surely comes around. U will meet this same case once MMD is no more if you survive this. I sympathize with all bloggers nasty about this. I sympathise with william Harington, He is a true zambian. Dora remains questionable. I have no faith in Zambian courts, none whatsoever. I am off.
Why did these Judges talk about breaking the constitution when it was not part of the complaint and they knew it was not their business and its not covered by the parliamentary and miniterial code fimo fimo…… What Judge Musonda is saying is that it whatever you are HE, Minister, Supreme Court Judge, Ref, ilihule, headman etc it is wrong to get exicited and make decisions exceeding your powers ……if you are a magistrate or tribunal judge you cant talk about constitutional matters…. that an issue for the High Court.
Ala kabili!!
Indeed matterz of the courts need carefull understanding and competent analysis, lest you go about xpozing your ignorance, tho I don’t need any competence to know that wat the supreme court rulez, the high court can’t overule. If it iz the same courts convicting our retired generalz and are praized, then it iz only fair that the praizez continue wen they find someone innocent…
Imwe, look at Dora, God she looks old as if she isnt only 39. I read her profile in which It said that the thighs we were seeing on znbc tv were born in 1970. Ninshi ukukota so umwace uyu. Am sure she either drinks carelessly or she eats too much.
#95 Nutritionist
Imagine for a second Zambia without Post and the only source of info is ZNBC, Times and Daily mail, what would have become of your mother and my mother, too ghastly to contemplate. Give credit where its due.
Chaalulula Chaalulala mabelo…isula matanta ….vula mabelo
103 continued-
Anyhow, such was expected. I ask the … Dennis Chirwa Tribunal 3 Judges who executed that initial ruling on Ms MP Siliya Dora to resign on moral grounds for making a big mistake and probably cheating the Zambian people from all parts of the Earth. In fact, this is a clear indication that someone has been compromised in the handling of this case from its beginning to now this end.
I also implore the opposition political parties to use this flip-flop of the Zambian Judiciary System over the Ms MP Dora Siliya Saga/Tribunal in the 2011 elections campagins.
Such uncertainties in court rulings indicate that even the UPND Anderson K. Mazoka appeal over the lose of 2001 elections might have been compromised.
God bless.
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#94 what dora did was
1. Single soruce a service as opposed to subjecting it to tenders 2. Over-valued the service charge for RP. morgan chase are doing a much larger valuation exercise for BOZ and are only being paid $1M and not $2M RP are geeting just to value small ZAMTEL. 3
It’s undenied that Henry Banda (RB’s son) has close connections to RP.
Dora might have gotten away with it legally, but the scenarios stated above suggest something fishy over the deal. that is the reason why peopl are angry not because of hating dora. However there is a bitter after-taste that the Law seems not to have acted or rather sided with morality this time around.
Well, due process has been followed. The tribunal sat, acted ultra vires and passed a controversial judgement that was contested by Dora. Dora appealed to the High Court and won her case. The tribunal is inferior to the High Court, regardless of its composition. I suppose the option left to the complainant, Harrington, if he still feels very aggrieved is to appeal to the Supreme Court. The High Court went by the facts and not tabloid fuelled emotions, which is the right thing to do. Had the cold hard facts compelled a different High Court judgement, chances are that Dora would be in tears by now.
Oh my word, it’s good they have adopted the mung’omba draft constitution where one can have dual citizenship, i would rather belong to heaven, this is the reason why i complain to almight God, why did he brought me to this zambia when he knew that, zambians are satanists, unfair, greedy and inhuman, anyway he could have a reason, time will catch with up with them, say’s the ‘Lord’.
109, well said, however we must identify their personal interest in this case. obviously the Zambia airways saga inevitably makes them less well placed to comment…..but they do.
Dora might be go scot free now but time we tell . she has been shielded becoz she is link to RBB. But that moment MMD is out of power she better too pack her bags and leave zambia otherwise she will be at chimbokaila. we play that PF/UPND get their strenght everyday till 2011 so we can get out these kabwalalas.
Thank-God. I always thought Dora was unfairly treated by all these washed up male politicians of MMD. They wanted nchekelako and i guess she did not accord them that so they ganged up against her. I don’t even know what she is doing in politics because she was a fine journalist. Abena Kapoko, Dr Miti, Chiluba, RB, Maureen M, name it started stealing a long time ago and they wanted Dora to be the sacrificial lamb. Dora even implicated Maureen during the findings but nobody dared lift their finger. Find the real culprits!
#113 And the Judges there (Supreme court) are Chirwa and Chitenge among others. They will obviously want to exonerate their names by finding as they did when with the tribunal
116 Morocco Banda bwezani greetings. Following your “But that moment MMD is out of power she better too pack her bags and leave zambia otherwise she will be at chimbokaila“, I am beginning to understand why dual Citizenship has been adopted in the NCC Draft Constitution.
It must be a way of some characters hoping to run away from Zambia once there is a change of GRZ from the MMD to another political party.
Have a blessed day.
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This was all a planned move. RB asked Dora to resign and asked her to seek for a judicial review. RB then gave instruction to Philip Musonda to rule otherwise once the case is given to him. RB decided not to appoint anyone in the Ministry of TRans and Comms so that Dora can bounce back. RB was the one who first cleared her even before the tribunal. We are dealing with mafias who can not stop on anything but what pleases them.
A tribunal is subordinate to the high court ladies and gentlemen. Even pipo like Bihop Mambo, Imakando, fRED m’MEMBE, Kapoko, VJ, Kashiwa Bulaya and MCS can sit on a tribunal. This does not make the tribunal superior to the courts of law. When the CJ appointed the the tribunal, he said they were to collect evidence and not to convict Dora. Stand up Dudes, learn to see the truth and wipe the sh!t of the a.s you id[ots. Viva DORA
PF or is it PF-UPND PACT member William Harrington, please do not buckle over this new ruling. Kindly take your case to the Supreme Court.
Mr W. Harrington (spelling?), you need to exhaust all the available channels of appeal so that this Dora Siliya Saga Court Case will leave a good precedence as a record all future generations can look to.
Mr W. Harrington, you can not give up at this stage. See if you can assemble more of the civil society to help you take this case further to the last COURT of Appeal in Zambia.
Please, do not allow this Dora Siliya High Court ruling frustrate your resolve to get the right thing done for mother Zambia.
I am waiting for a positive message from you and the PF-UPND PACT.
Have a blessed day.
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What a waste of resources!
The tribunal can be lower, but the caliber of its constituents does matter. The two judges are on the supreme court bench. Their guidance on the tribunal carries more weight than an ordinary me. No matter how you dress this issue, it is a big big contradiction. High court overturning a supreme court justice’s opinion is no small matter, even if this was was in a less environment!
WHY THEN DO YOU WANT TO JAIL KAPOKO? Leave him alone you selfish and selective persecutors. I have lost faith in this selective fight agaist corruption. Its there to persecute those who are out of govnt favour—-political opponents. We are watching this pace.
No 118 that may very well be so. It will depend upon what the Supreme Court would be ruling upon. As it is, the tribunal and the High Court were ruling on two separate matters, albeit closely related (and one the same thing in the mind of most members of the public, judging by comments on this thread)
Akef Circus !!
I said when the Chirwa tribunal itself failed to reach a decisive verdict and ibnstead shifted responsibility into Ruopiah’s lap that the entire judicial system itself is corrupt and therefore could not be trusted to reach any other decision other than the one they arrived at. No surprise here. This now paves the way for her appouintment into the foreign service where she can continue her corrupt ways. Well done RB, you’ve out-foxed them yet again.
aah it was obvious that she was going to be cleared, RB didnt want to be embarrassed so he had to do something. Come on guys this lady continued to stay in a government house even after stepping down as minister, Mulongoti gave her a go ahead “to stay as long as she wished”, she continued receiveing privilages of a full cabinet minister, and RP capital went ahead and tendered for the job to value the Zamtel assets dispite the whole process being questioned! So this “clearing” should not even come as a suprise” chali lila pa zed, ni one man for himself pa bane, so all those waiting for justice muka kashika amenso mulolela fye! naumfwa umwenso
#123 Correct, the legal opinion of the once Deputy Cheif justce (tribunal finding) has been found to be flawed by a highcourt Judge. It doesn’t matter whether DCJ was sitting in a classroom for God’s sake. His opninon and that of another Supreme court Justice have been found wanting.
So what happens when Harrington appeals to the supreme Court? how are Chirwa and Chitengi going to judge, will the contadict themselves. It’s stupid Lawyers should sort this out it look like a circus.
The law has spoken. However, this clearly put s a big dent on Supreme court judge Chirwa’s reputation. My honest opinion is that he should resign on moral and to some extent, ethical grounds. The only recourse for Harrington and others, is to now appeal to the Supreme court. This had to happen. all the signs were there. Mind you, her Ministry has Mutati in an acting capacity up to now. That should have told you something!! Ndemilasa data….oh!!!
Well, Iranians have shown you guys that at one point even the most powerful and the ruthless dictators can be challenged. So, learn lessons from others. Upwalala pa Zambia. High Court is told what to do by some authority. Zambia at the moment has one branch of government, and that is The Executive. The other two are tools to facilitate what the Boss wants. So, all the money and spent on that exercise was for no reason and futile.
#129 Movement for Mass fimo fimo, In the event that the Supreme court sat, The two Justices would (i think) recuse themselves from handling this matter. and in any case, The quorum of the Supreme court would still be met even in the absence of the two. On the other hand, this ruling has opened a pandoras box in terms of how these Politicians will treat Judges and their Lordships.: With pure contempt!! wait and see.
129 Movement for Mass Destruction, I am not sure whether you are referring to my posting and so I can not comment on your stuff yet.
However, the PF member Mr William Harrington, through the PF-UPND PACT, should take his initial case to the Supreme Court. Zambians need a good PRECEDENCE out of this case.
As things stand now, MP Dora Siliya is set to be reappointed as full Cabinet Minister in the same Ministry of Communicationas and Transport or elsewhere.
I am just hoping president HH as PF-UPND PACT leader will take this matter seriously and get the legal team in the PACT follow on where the mighty UPND left when Harrington became faster than them.
This is a very serious case of our Zambian Justice/Legal System being toothless over the President of Zambia and Constitution.
I can see Kapoko and company smiling all the way to the bank!! Just for your ears: When was the last time you heard the kind of charge that was slapped on Kapoko (Bouncing a cheque), ever slapped on anyone else?? Food for thought. Those, my friends, are the signs.
The sags continues, Mission: ZAMBIA TO BE EXTINCT BY 2011. The devil is in this country pipo. At this rate I can only say hope we meet in Heaven
133 continued.
Very, very sad indeed to notice such happening where statements from the High Court Judge in his ruling are contradictory or not clear save for a message Ms Dora Siliya has been cleared of not having breached the Republic of Zambia Constitution.
It is in this regard that I am humbly asking Mr Harrington and the PF-UPND PACT COHORT to take this matter to the Supreme Court.
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Such controversies are only going to further undermine RB’s eligibility for a 2nd term bid. He needs to be careful in guiding the law bodies. Such protection of sacred cows angers the masses, he’s making a mistake if he thinks the electorate is unintelligent.
134 Ba Moze greetings and how was your trip -assuming you travelled from Zambia.
If you are the real one, I am waiting for the data you promised to post on here or send to my email address yesterday.
Have a blessed day.
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Kalos2020 @ #131, you’re absolutely right. At the moment Zambia has only one branch of government, and that is The Executive. The legislature and the judiciary – the other two are in a deep coma. I never dreamed Zambia would get to anywhere where we would be compared to the corrupt nations of West Africa. But I believe we have now far surpassed them! We surely must be one of the world’s most corrupt countries! Our judiciary is a disgrace, to say the least. Our legislature; I don’t even want to mention them, for doing so would be to assume they have brains!
#132 Dennis Chirwa and Peter Chitengi have had more distinguished Careers than Musonda I am inclined to go by their findings. Let this issue go to the supreme court and let them find as Musonda has found that Siliya did not breach the constitution. Then we can conclusively say the two men do not have the emminece to continue among the Seven Justices.
The electorate is not blind. Should Miti and Chiluba walk free, Rooftop Barman’s bid for re-election will all together collapse. This misguided release of crooks such as Siliya should not be repeated. Momentary pleasures from a single bloowjob by Dora will come to pass and you will miss out on the bigger picture RB.
People are losing faith in your leadership.
You see pipo, this is what happens if you expect a country to be ruled from a newspaper as a pipo. Generally pipo have abdicated their individual roles to objectively and freely analyse issues, and have instead allowed a newspaper to do it for them. This is called laziness on the part of Zambians. Whereas it is good to have a free media, ultimately the responsibility to think rests on oneself. Even when its evident that the media is off-track, citizens want to validate and umplify wrong and sometimes deliberate instigations by a cheap media outlet, causing so much anguish among its unsuspecting/innocent followers once proven wrong. This is very expensive for a country like ours. There is so much telling of half truths and exagerations among the media generally in this country.
At least one good will come out of all this: The MMD is everyday making the decision the Zambian voter has to make in 2011 an extremely simple one! Kick the bums out! (And throw them all in Cimbokaila)
Maestro, hi my dear collegue. Note this flag every tuesday to thursday. Now what was the address again?
Everyone knows there was some kind of intervention from higher office. This leadership is actually playing with people’s minds and implying that the judicial system is run by a bunch of fooolls. By throwing out the findings of the tribunal and allowing Siliya to walk the streets, Rooftop Barman’s is setting a bad legacy. These things will come back to haunt him. Be careful you Unipian, the momentary pleasure of a bllowjob won’t take you anywhere.
I see at least one good will come out of all this. The MMD has made the decision the Zambian voter has to make in 2011 an extremely simple one: Kick the b*u*ms out (and throw ‘em all in Mukobeko maximum).
These scumbags masquerading as honest businessmen, politicians and leaders will one day face the wrath of the Zambian people.
It is not up the president to tell the courts what to do. The courts know how to go about their job. So the president has business with court cases, rather his should be getting justice done. This justice could be either or, and not what a section of people wants. Lets give the courts support to do their jobs fairly. So once the judgement is made tough for those on the unfavourable side!
Ba RB surely you are even mudslinging the judicially now? It is a shame. Anyway they say Law is like a spider’s cobweb The weak get caught, and the strong get through
I am just now expecting to read of resingations by both Supreme Court Judges Chirwa and Chitengi and also Hamaundu, from the High Court I believe. Also, PF’s Harrington to release a statement over a continuation.
This is the only way the JUDICIARY will save its face — as I will be sure that there are honsty men in that wing of GRZ.
Very very shameful result from the High Court indeed on the Supreme Court Judges Chirwa and Chitengi. Their whole life career has been brought to its knees right now. I just hope they are both able to stand as at now fearing for their possible collapse after getting wind of the new ruling.
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in #146, “scumbags” should read as “scumbugs”.
Just how much do these guys get paid to stoop so low as to sacrifice their own professional and personal integrity and principles. I wonder? Isn’t it also amazing how some cases are fast-tracked while others seem drag on forever?
Ba Moze thanks very much for your positive response.The address is mugunguluATgmailDOTIcom. Note the words AT , DOTI and do the needful.
I will be waiting and take careful care always.
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#149 Maestro, Am sorry to dissapoint you, but the word “RESIGN”, is a french word in Zambia…Assuming it even exists!!!
143 Ba Moze thanks very much for your positive response.The address is mugunguluATgmailDOTIcom. Note the words AT , DOTI and do the needful.
I will be waiting and take careful care always.
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#97 Luska, I agree with you that Dora Siliya is ugly. I don’t see what men see in her. Maybe she is ‘tight on the job’.
#142 you have a point. people should not take entirely the opninons of a newspaper editorial, hook, line and sinker. We should be overtly critical of what we read to seperate BS from vital data.
I am of the view that the tribunal did not cave in to media pressure, having read their findings.
No 142 CM, that is to put it mildly.
Ba Moze @ 153, I agree. When did anyone last resign in Zambia? I hope people are not seriously thinking Dora “resigned” the last time? But more than anything else, I and millions of other Zambians watch with baited breath to see what the so-called donors who continue backing this corrupt government have to say about all the developments of the past few months and weeks.
153 Ba Moze, on your “#149 Maestro, Am sorry to dissapoint you, but the word “RESIGN”, is a french word in Zambia…Assuming it even exists!!!“, I very much understand your point but late President resigned and also MP Dora Siliya did the same. These two and possibly others set a precedence that others from all walks of life can follow in Zambia.
When one’s carrer has been undressed in this particular manner by a junior officer, the senior member of the two ought to resign so that his morality can be taken seriously.
It is against this background that I am hoping the two Supreme Court Judges will show leadership.
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Maestro, check your mail!!!
Somebody tell me please! Who was in the Tribunal that dealt with Dora’s case? Were they also Law Experts also? You mean they did not know that the High Court would dismiss the findings basing on the same Law? I suggest that all the cases against Chiluba, Kapoko, Miti, Chungu, and others be dropped, otherwise we are assured of further headaches. The Judges are no longer mindful of the Ethics, they want money period. They will only remember their Ethics when a poor widow in Kanyama steals a packet of ka pamela mealiemeal. Balitumpa!!
#161 Maestro, LPM’s resignation was very genuine and true to the word! Aya ma resignation yabena Dora are just part of the window dressing…as you can see!!
162 Ba Moze Zikomo phambili (thanks very much) my brotherman and take care. Keep well and take care as your do your things.
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# 161 the tribunal, it could be argued, might have overstepped their jurisdiction in deciding on a constitutional matter, but the actual finding that she breached the constitution is very consistent.
Believe me Musonda has errd and I believe the Supreme Court will say that.
#165 Maestro, Dont mention it. Just expect more!!
For Judge Musonda to find that the Dennis Chirwa tribunal “exercised excessive jurisdiction” when it invoked Article 54 sub-section 3 to declare Ms. Siliya in breach of the constitution is like saying his wife had exercised “excessive freedom” by committing adultery while he was at the office instead of while he was out of town as they had agreed.
Ku Africa kulatinya!
167 Ba Moze cool stuff. Now, let us see how we are going to do door-to-door 2011 elections campaigning for the PF-UPND PACT.
166 Movement for Mass Destruction greetings and on your “# 161 the tribunal, it could be argued, might have overstepped their jurisdiction in deciding on a constitutional matter, but the actual finding that she breached the constitution is very consistent“, please check the news above and see how there is no CONSISTENCE.
As for “Believe me Musonda has errd and I believe the Supreme Court will say that“, I will wait and see. However, Harrington needs to get them going.
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Ba 160, tuli pali pact teh. abama crooko Ba MMD have to leave, latest by 2011. MMD out, zwa, fuma, fuseke, choka, zwa awa……….wnat a bunch of mean chaps
Guys whatever you say here won`t change anything. We hurt because we have seen people resign for claiming £17 000. We hurt because we`ve seen people calling certain ministers to resign and they do. What hurts even the most is even you guys calling for RB, given a chance, would be exacly the same. Africa will always be Africa. I feel sorry for the people.
A tribunal is like a grand jury. I find it nonsensical for a person found guilty by supreme court judges, (deputy chief Justice included on the bench) to appeal to a local court!! I do not know much about zambian law practices; rationally world-over, the supreme court is the last destination. Only in Zambia kids!
Goodness you anti dora crowd are really showing your ignorance on this matter. I think Legal education should become paramount in secondary school curriculum because ignorance on this level is scary. Am surprised the simple matter of a tribunal or judicial review is haveing your brains in knots. It’s true what they say the more someone opens their mouth the more you can see the size of their brain
#170 I meant the tribunal’s findings not Musonda’s. Having read through their part on breaching the constitution, it made sense to me.
Lost the last faith in zambian courts and their independence. What a nation?
175 Malevolent and Mean as the Devil , on your “#170 I meant the tribunal’s findings not Musonda’s. Having read through their part on breaching the constitution, it made sense to me“, but are you imagining that an appeal to the Supreme Court will be made following your submission? If you can either re-write your initial comment or beef up the latest one.
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Iwe Slam galu fimo fimo……dont try to masquarade as a know it all cocky lawyer. Going about showing yourself as an ignoramus Zambia’s laws are written in english and are avaliable at Govt printers and anyone can read and interpret what they mean. It’s law and not Rocket science. believe me they are brainer people on this forum and it won’t help to have your little cocky Mr. Know it all attitude
Against the background of the case, I understand the protest from most of the bloggers. However, considering the fact that Dora had resigned from her position in office, I feel that the High Court ruling is fair.
Justice has always been controversial in this world, especially in Africa.
#178 Just man up and get hold of your emotions you are embarassing yourself. You are reading your own emotions and convictions into the law which just shows you know zilch. Get a grip justice has been done , you can parade yourself like a crying two year old with mamina and that won’t change a thing
Maestro try and access the data you are looking for on zambia24 community news or something like that.
178 Malevolent and Mean as the Devil , please do not insult Slam …, Banton (LLB). He seems to have one Bachelors Degree in Law and thinks he understands much when a university first year integral $int$ In(x). dx caused him embarrassment in bwanji DOTcom – if I remember correctly. So, do not waste precious time on him, but just respond to my issue and others who have provided sensible concerns.
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181 Hola! greetings and thanks for “Maestro try and access the data you are looking for on zambia24 community news or something like that“. Otherwise, Ba Moze has done the honours already if you are referring to his promises yesterday – and he is the man of the moment.
Take careful care and keep well.
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Maestro such a false witness for your own information I have an LLB , LLM and in november with get LPC, if am not mistaken thats way more than you even though I way younger than you. I suggest you keep away from my debates because I have proved many ah times that you are a double tongued self deluded fool
Proverbs 29 >>
American King James Version
2:When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked bears rule, the people mourn.
184 Slumdog Shalapungu greetings and stop being emotional with an aim to throw mad at me. Take note why I have always claimed that your English Language is terrible. You have written “Maestro such a false witness for your own information I have an LLB , LLM and in november with get LPC, if am not mistaken thats way more than you even though I way younger than you” whiloe I wrote “He seems to have one Bachelors Degree in Law and thinks he understands much when a university first year integral $int$ In(x). dx caused him embarrassment in bwanji DOTcom – if I remember correctly” and clearly did not lie.
Check the definition of “SEEMS” in a Dictionary.
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184 Slumdog Shalapungu , thus, your written “I suggest you keep away from my debates because I have proved many ah times that you are a double tongued self deluded fool” clearly shows that you can not debate save insulting me or others.
To this end, save yourself further embarrassment by not responding to my “Check the definition of “SEEMS” in a Dictionary” which proves that I never cheated in my posting as “He seems to have one Bachelors Degree in Law and thinks he understands much when a university first year integral $int$ In(x). dx caused him embarrassment in bwanji DOTcom – if I remember correctly” is very true.
Have a nice day though.
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Just shows the cloud of deceit thats floating around your brain will tell you what you want to hear Maestro. You a villager obsessed with educational titles trying to downplay my achievements to make yourself feel better. Stick to your delusions of grandeur of ever changing titles to plump up your bruised self esteem. Get it right next time or stick to your expertise which funny enough changes between planets everyday
184 Slumdog Shalapungu , clearly you lack respect for elders whom you have acknowledged nicely on your own “… if am not mistaken thats way more than you even though I way younger than you“.
Therefore, stop disgracing yourself like this young man and start telling the truth constitently instead of looking for ways to catch me napping.
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CONSTITENTLY you say ?? LOL that dictionary needs to be opened . Educate yourself villager the pleonasm of drivel doesn’t work with me. Don’t ever address me ‘lech lehizdayen’ (use google to find out what this means in heberew seeing your brain cannot work without it)
So where does this ruling leave the Chief Justice who appointed the judges who comprised the Tribunal?Besides, didn’t the learned Chief Justice go through the Tribunal findings before the report was handed over to the President?I don’t know if this can be said to be a sad or good development because it raises some serious questions about our Judicial system and the men entrusted with discharging justice.
God bless Zambia.
Imwe ala Dola ngali pamulu kuti wa chiti ifilifyonse.
…And you wonder why RB had a knee surgery…after doing some gymnastics on Dora.It pays ukwisula amatatanta pa Zed! Long live RB and long live Dora!!
ZAMBIANS CERTAIN TRIBES are just corrupt.sometimes they wander why they are corrupt thus IN BORN GENES.SURELY PHILIP MUSONDA have you shown any proffessionalsm regarding this rulling.LEGALISE THEFT AND CORRUPTION and we shall not get bothered.Lawyers defending theft and tomorrow you are on platform saying zambia is a christian nation .SHAME
knee injury pa sun hotel
Uh, Richard SAKALA is free. Now it is dora SILIYA. Good work Julius SAKALA and Rupiah BANDA
if court judgements are precidences, please can some body help me understand…. are these judgements going to be used in future for reference, any blogger lawyers please?
Why didn’t they subject Silia through the court process?For sure some people are more equal than others.
Gladies Nyirongo was charged and convicted for abuse of office through the court system and no tribunal was set up to look into her case.The ACC were very keen to prosecute and convict Mrs Nyirongo and did a good job at it.
When it came to Siliya it had to take ordinary citizens to raise concerns about her abuse of office.ACC even took a back seat on this issue.
1 step forward,200 steps backward……………..
Well Well Well…where are the disgruntled PF-UPND-dead-pact cadres to run their mouth???
Dora was innocent from the beginning and PF-UPND-dead-pact cadres where busy calling her all sorts of names and requesting for the resignation of vice president George Kunda.
Well the joke is on you PF-UPND-dead-pact cadres because George Kunda was right from the very beginning.
Like election results, it is hard for PF-UPND-dead-pact cadres to accept defeat. He who laughs last laughs the loudest.
Congratulations to Dora Siliya for clearing her name.
Just imagin how it feels to be acquited before you send all the mails of corruptions accuzations
One day or the other,you will have to pay for all the wrongs you have done.I don´t see any reason why one should be proud of the out come of this low courts we have in Zed.It´s a pity that when one looks at it from the real situation,we might even turn out to be worse than Iran with all these politricks going on.False leaders……iam so pissed and tired of you all.
190 Slumdog Shalapungu>7b> calm down! On your “CONSTITENTLY you say ?? LOL that dictionary needs to be opened . Educate yourself villager the pleonasm of drivel doesn’t work with me>/i> “ and the rest, it is not surprising that you have turned to insults for it is your way of life. However, I beg you to desist from that bad mentality and join me in normalcy of character. As a villager, I am very happy that I come from a village – home, home sweet home where there is Mabisi, Mundyoli, etc.. Sadly, I hope you come from a City or whatever you call it where there is nothing, utterly nothing, any one can look upto.
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That’s the problem with PF-UPND-dead-pact cadres, they cannot accept defeat. Just look at the comments on this blog.
If you think you are learned enough to challenge the outcome, go appeal at the supreme court otherwise do not underrate our judicial system which has got some of the most learned people who’s credentials can put yours to shame.
PF-UPND-dead-pact cadres behave like children for sure. To them, fairness is anything that goes their way.
What a scum! It make one feel like ripping their insides out. There day will arrive when they dangle from their own “peanuts”.
Free Fimo Fimo yet again when it suits him! I remember a certain white judge resigning because KK wanted a certain case to go his way. You can yap however you want. The fact is African presidents are just too powerful period! RB has played a part in this and yes he is the boss. This is reason I call for Africans to cut the powers of the president.
#203, “our judicial system has some of learned people” my foot! You can also go and see Dora so she can help you break your leg. What’s is being learned when legal and professional ethics cannot apply. Does education mean anything anymore in Zambia?
African presidents are not pwerful, the stupid constitution makes them, the constitution is made by our MPs; there fore the stupid MPs we vote in to represent us make our servants powerful.
this means it has to start wth us voters, the people we vote for; do they contribute in paliament on they just keep the seats warm and wait for there gratuities which are guaranted anyway??????
205 3RqU, greetings and you are on the spot in your “I remember a certain white judge resigning because KK wanted a certain case to go his way. You can yap however you want. The fact is African presidents are just too powerful period!. Following this precedence I am sure the Supreme Court Judges will use their brains and not stomachs to redeem themselves, to borrow late President LP Mwanawasa’s words, by resigning.
It is utter shame for a junior to them to have clearly shown that they, Supreme Court Judges, are incompetent.
On the otherhand, I hope PF-UPND will do us the honours.
May God bless you my brother.
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You know in sensible jurisdictions when they are outraged by a courts decision they never attack the judges they always lobby for change of legislation. Judges are like interpretors they don’t write the law the interpret it.I feel sorry for zambian judges having to be the brunt of a magnitude of ignoramus. On a lighter note how come all the people who use the word fimofimo seem to be very dull?
Unbelievable but true. How can a High Court Judge find the Supreme Court Judge incompetent? I would have thought the high court should have referred the case to the Supreme Court for determination. Elyo Zambia yapwa icacine.
If Judge Dennis Chirwa has any integrity left, then he has to resign.
It just shows how incompetent the Zambian Courts are, no wonder cases are never concluded but go on for ever. Now I know why FJT Chiluba wants to have charges against him dismissed. Because the incompetent judges are trying him. For Dorah:- Its not your fault!!!!!!!!!!
#210 A judge is only called a supreme court judge if he is presiding in the supreme court, simple common sensethat 90% of bloggers don’t get.
Hey pipo, is the Judiacry only free when rules in a certain favour?? Do not become so biased . You Okocha # 163 and new york giant, one basic tenant of law is the right to appeal and the tribunal is regarded as subordinate to the high court so she took her chance and won. Justice is not about only getting a pre- determined result . And if you look at it the question of taking or not taking advice and how it breached the constitution is a very grey area. nay
Ignorance is bad. Have some of you useless characters seen the CV of Supreme Court Judge Dennis Chirwa. The man served as Deputy Chief Justice, a senior position that High Court Judge Musonda has ever held – unless someone has details to the contrary and must use proof to show it on here.
This means that a junior to them, Supreme Court Judges, has shown that DCJ man Dennis Chirwa and his counterpart Chitengi are incompetent in understanding the Zambia Republican Constitution. No more, no less!
So, either put up good defense or stop exposing ignorance on this blog to the whole world using Internet.
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Hey pipo, is the Judiacry only free when rules in a certain favour?? Do not become so biased . You Okocha # 163 and new york giant, one basic tenant of law is the right to appeal and the tribunal is regarded as subordinate to the high court so she took her chance and won. Justice is not about only getting a pre- determined result . And if you look at it the question of taking or not taking advice and how it breached the constitution is a very grey area. nay Hey Jafy what scam. None at all
The whole judicial review was a foregone conclusion. All the public appearances with RB ,told it all.
On another note, congratulations Lawyer Eric Silyamba and also Minister of Justice Vice President G. Kunda for this good performance in securing a win for Dora. This is good for the country as people will have faith in appeals.
This is also giving me impetus to encourage Harrington to take this case to the Supreme Court as the last stop for all appeals in Zambia.
All the best to all involved in this Ms MP Siliya Dora case that has ended this way.
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On another note, congratulations Lawyer Eric Silyamba and also Minister of Justice Vice President G. Kunda for this good performance in securing a win for Dora on your current success. This is good for the country as people will have faith in appeals.
This is also giving me impetus to encourage Harrington to take this case to the Supreme Court as the last stop for all appeals in Zambia.
All the best to all involved in this Ms MP Siliya Dora case that has ended this way.
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No wiseman- reborn , even before the appeal l, they were appearnces with Bwezani. This is just a result of a judicial process. Why are we so blinded. The court first found her guilty of an offence she was not blamed for and then on appeal ( since in the rules of natural justice it is assumed we all have a right to be appeal) she was found not to have beached the constitution
Dora welcome back!! My lawyer only advised me to say that!! Everyone deserves a second chance. Zedian style.
As shakespeare put it ” Much Ado about Nothing” !! I am out Bloggers I have to reserve my energy for those tasks that make my ends meet. LT can make you go crazy if you are not careful!!
Kuti wakwati heart attack !!
#208 Maestro. Thanks my brother. My prayer is this pact works. Then and only then will the truth be known. Incredible what goes on in our country.
Iwe J heart attack yaliba na muma Genes! You can eat junk but still won`t have one. lol! Fyabangeleshi ifyo! All the best man.
Iwe 3RqU walileka ukuposha ayi?
#222 you were quick to see that I am present!! I withdraw my comment pa 223!!
Kuno nika Weizen Beer mudala!! Akabwali sana sana !! KFC is not meant for my Genes lol!!
#208 Maestro Afriicans never resign. Dora only did it because she was promised she will bounce back. Do not hold your breath, but, she will be minister of fimo fimo very soon.
J ine fyonse nituyetuye lol! Ka Stella so apa nomba!
221 3RqU greqat stuff on your “Thanks my brother. My prayer is this pact works. Then and only then will the truth be known.” There are no two about it the PF-UPND PACT just has to work. I hope the Undereducate Sata will take this PACT seriously this time around. He is an old man whose image can be rebuilt nicely if only he allows energetic men to led the PACT as he gives them backing.
To this end, I am humbly asking all UPND and MMD offshoot parties like FDD, ULP, etc. to disband and their leaders join any of the two parties in the PACT so that the opposition is strengthened. Hats off to HH for the jolie job.
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Got to now people. I like Dora alright (because of her boobs) she has got away with murder here. J ibele lwandi mu government again so! Iwe!
#218 positivist , sometimes it is important to see beyond the veil , the Dora saga involved so many untouchables ,mentioned was Maureen Mwanawasa, do tell me ,if she were to perpetually remain guilty how about the free molecules who had an influence/ interest …my view
Maestro why worry about small parties? All the people of Zambia need is a UPND-PF pact. Tell you what, I do not care who leads the pact as long these boys are kicked out. I hope all Zambians are thinking the same.
We have talked a lot and our tempers are now high let us have a beer life is too short ,but rememeber we are coming 2011 ,they will be out period. lol
Cheers people God bless Zambia. God bless the people of that great country. God and only God knows the destination of our beloved country.God bless you all.
225 3RqU great stuff (in above posting) on your “#208 Maestro Afriicans never resign. Dora only did it because she was promised she will bounce back. Do not hold your breath, but, she will be minister of fimo fimo very soon.” This is about true, but this message that Africans can not perform to move out of the quagmire is wrong and we need to believe that we can do things also like the West or East that is fast aking development progress in the name of China and India with Malaysia.
In all, take note of Dr. Dambisa Moyo’s message on change of our mindset from Childhood onwards that we too can do it like the West.
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1 Thessalonians 5:14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all.
230 3RqU. On your “Maestro why worry about small parties? All the people of Zambia need is a UPND-PF pact. Tell you what, I do not care who leads the pact as long these boys are kicked out. I hope all Zambians are thinking the same.” This is why we need everyone from small parties also we can get.
We can not afford to leave some stones unturned in our quest to revive Zambia to a normal level of doing things and respecting equal institutions like the Executive, Judiciary and Legisture.
Just look at this shame that has befallen Supreme Court Judge Dennis Chirwa. Very, very unfortunate indeed. I empathise with him.
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just swallow your hatred you fuc***rs and accept the verdit.why should it be in your favour you fools.just as you accepted the lower courts findings accept the upper courts findings as well.hate will choke you to dearth you ass holes. MYSRIP
She was called grace for she appeared graciously and Emmanuel to deliver , yet Akapondo please do tell me,lest I wrongly conclude.
In the words of President B. H. Obama, “These are not opinions to be debated; these are facts to be dealt with“.
Let us therefore deal with the current situation with open and sober minds.
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surely those who have good,reasonable and genuinely degrees will never insult and are open minded like the great Obama,Mandelas.Please bloggers never pay attention to people who think like headless chicks.National issues should be taken seriously because they affect ichintubwingi.
i meant genuine degrees not awakubosha
Isn’t it amazing that the President appointed a tribunal with the express instruction to expedite its work with a sense of urgency? I believe the tribunal did in record time turn out its report and handed its findings to the appointing authority. Now here comes the amazing part. In the meantime, the person at the centre of the controversy decided to appeal the Tribunal’s verdict; the court heard her and also in record time, returned its verdict: Not guilty.
CONT’D…While all this is happening, our president, in keeping with the sense of urgency he always approached this matter with; has also been carefully studying the Tribunals findings, and with that same sense of urgency has …NOT YET FINISHED READING THE REPORT!!! Now that Dora has been cleared, what’s the purpose of the President continuing to study the report? He might as well just re-instate her into her old post or name her as his vice president; make that second vice president.
# 228 ala 3 bengi abalefwaya ibele mu government kabili!!
ibele rules LOL
Useless system…
cleared? Somebody must have busta nut
President B. H. Obama also said, “And this is important because no development strategy can be based only upon what comes out of the ground, nor can it be sustained while young people are out of work“. Impressive how progressive minds are looking at young people getting jobs and yet we seek to maintain old minds in positions even when they do not have rhythm of what is happening in the 21st Century through education of science and technology.
Let Zambians choose the way of life of hard work by being truthful. It is very sad that bickering has taken centre stage where moral responsibility was supposed to be number one. Divisive strategies and politics are on the increase and corruption is the order of the day. Zambians, lets move on.
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CIRCUS COUNTRY.
Ba zambians,
yesterday i went to the Doctor, she said i was depressed, i said hell no…am sad readind stories on lusaka times, My Uncle Sakala after long time in prison was sent free, ulgly Dora also cleared am told even 10 billion man will be set free.
What a country….how can you can Chiluba’s wife be imprisoned if Rupia Banda and Chiluba sip wine together?
the Doctor told me to stop reading zambian News please people advise me napapata imwe
I have read all the blog submissions so far. What intrigues me is the manner one blogger, whom I know, has consistently defended the Musonda ruling. He has used over 25 different names to give an impression they are many.He has throughout tried to rubbish the tabloid for its influence on public opinion. The motive of his submissions is clear:show that Chiluba is a victim of public opinion thru the Post and that the Levy legacy should fall by catching the big fish:maureen. The blogger is ONE person.
There is only one person who asked God to have the clock reversed, whether mythology it is all written in the good book. Time is ticking for RB all events are noticed,would he reverse the clock?
Is the full tribunal report finding at govt printers?
Ethel name the blogger,why are you behaving like him as well? Are you sure its one blogger?
come on Ethel name the blogger, don’t be like Rupiah Banda who defends corrupt folks in his govt.
justice delivered for Dora.
imwe y can’t Dora have a face lift she looks ugly no wonder she is single.
Ba Dora please ta papata reduce weight find yourself a husband…you can try even ma footballers.
she is too heavy, could explain presidos knee problems.
I don’t need to be Rockect scientist to see that their was breach of the law or whatever they choose to call it.Uyu umwanakashi ali craft, if you are not careful with her will sale .Zesco, Zantell, Zambeef and all the Zam -something including the Victoria Falls,
I think Something is cooking between these two.now the judiciary is folding its arms, mwe bachitako law can you help us…i fwe ifya ma trbunal tatwafishiba sana.I will not be suprised to hear Cashi castro and H3-Kapoko -have been cleared too.In Zambia jails and cemeteries are for the poor…..If we cant force them to Chingwere atleast we can put them in Chimbokaila.
Given change of personality and transformation ,between Vera and Dora who fits in the shoes of a Zambia female minister?
The news of the exoneration of the adorable one has been met with shock across the nation. Perhaps we should not be. The handling of the entire matter has been so unprofessional that you would be forgiven for likening Zambia to an episode of The Muppet Show.
The tribunal found her guilty of an offence, told us that if it were Judas who had been found guilty then his removal would have been warranted, and went on to leave it to Judas to decide what to do. The term ‘spineless’ is not adequate to describe that decision. We require a word that incorporates ‘cowardice’, ‘patronage’ and ‘boot-licking’.
And much to the shock of most Zambians, Judas did nothing. Well, actually he did do something; he went into a closed door meeting with her at the Sun Hotel in Livingstone.
Nothing, however, could have prepared the Zambian public for the exoneration at the hands of Big Phil. There is an expression that states ‘the law is an ass’. Zambian law would qualify as a big ass then.
How can a matter that was taken to the Chief Justice and decided upon by including two Supreme Court Judges be overturned by a high court judge? To add insult to injury, the logic in his judgment is the type we are accustomed to hearing from people without grade 12 certificates like Teta and MCS.
It is common knowledge in legal circles that the shrewd state council never looses matters that are before Big Phil and so there are those who knew that this matter could not have been decided any other way.
Let the voters define their destination come 2011, and who should captain the ship to safe havens . Zambia is for all not the few .
Let us all speak for the poor ,that are voiceless . The elite of Zambia (relative term ) have many avenues of recourse, not the poor.
What would you expect from a judge who’s a bootlicker? I am even wondering how on earth a woman would kiss such chaps who can lick anything they see! The writings are permanently engraved on the wall, & when that times comes, people will eat dust in the prisons with no bail!
Remember, we are going to uproot the thieves who will only stare the prison walls in a small confinement!
The truth of the matter is that the adorable one has been involved in a scheme in which US$2m is going to be stolen from the people of Zambia and given to members of Judas’ family. This is a fact that everyone knows but some people are so drunk with power that they think they will get away with it. After all Zambians are docile people.
It is just a matter of time before Judas appoints his adorable smart one back to his cabinet. It is common knowledge that she never vacated her ministerial house or handed back the official vehicle. It is highly probable that the salary never ceased being paid either. The Dick’s son will probably write another one of his annoying pieces in which he clears Judas and FTJ of all corruption allegations and throws mud at LPM, Maureen, Mutembo and the…
lets be fair here, imagine yourself a judge Dora with her fine A** , thick l** and sliding forehand calls u for lunch, unless otherwise u will let her free. She is single , lets not forgot all the judges were men….
i for one can’t say no if Dora called me….coz i know thats money….i can also send my kids to study abroad.
I shall not waste my ATP to read any further . it sickens me as in# 262 Russian KGB.
sorry ATP (energy)
So called bloggers you are such failures in your analysis ,the tribunal and the High court sitting is very different ,the fact that Dennis found Dora guilty of a miscondunct in the tribunal does not mean that he was 100%correct ,thats why his findings were tested in the High Court and proven wrong ,it’s up to Harrighton and Sata to togo Supreme cort if they feel cheated.Bloggers if not hapy with LT deleting your insults go to Post and write to Mmeembe he’ll be very happy with you .justice in Zambia at least is better than in South Africa where they have a clearly corrupt president cleared by the courts!!!!Read you chaps.
It’s true Dora lose some weight ,you really look like those old mama UNIP women ,you are still very young .There is a gym at Lusaka show grounds keep fit former minister maybe you can get your job back.
A very good hypothetical situation yet ,impregnated with realism. Who shall be the leaders of Zambia twenty(20) years from now? That is 2030 .Some of us will in our 50s and you ? self inventory
The Zambian government in all its three arms, executive, National Assembly and judiciary, is a circus. Looking at Phillip Musonda’s ruling makes one wonder what school of law this charlatan went to. Anyway, I hope Banda knows what he has gotten himself into. It now means ministers can do whatever they want with impunity. Watch corruption consume this presidency.
ShakaZulu ,you are right I take rest now.
We are not going anywhere. Even Chiluba “Thief” Kafupi will be cleared the same way. Similarly, Regina “convict” Chiluba will apeal and will be cleared the same way. Shame on you judges.
Excuse my ignorance in “law” as I happen to be an engineer, because in engineering if a shaft is rotating at 200 revolutions per second another engineer will not argue and say the speed is 400 rpm. If this is what the law is about, then we have a circus in our country and people with legal background ( most lawyers,judges etc)are the most despicable,and corrupt scoundrels! It’s no wonder cases take many years, Dora was clearly in the wrong, Chiluba and his concubine are in the wrong but will go free with buffoonery we’re witnessing. What a shame!!
Wait a minute, am I just confused or this just doesn’t make sense to everbody else.
First the high court says the tribunal went outside thei scope by ruling on the fact that she breached the Consitution – fair enough and fine to me! But then the same High Court goes on to say in fact she did not breach the Constitution at all. Isn’t the high court also going off limite here – I mean wasn’t the case under contention before the high court to know whether the Tribunal had a jurisdiction or mandate to rule over the Constitution and not whether Siliya breached the Constitution or not. My understanding is that the contention was over the tribunal’s jurisdiction; not the guiltness of Siliya – or was it both? Anyone else understanding me here?
One more thing: can someone who is schooled in law school me on the relationship between a tribunal appointed by the CJ and a court such as the high court. I ask this because why did Wlliam H. and the other civil societies decided to have or ask for a tribunal if they could have just easily gone to court? If their lawyers ‘knew’ that the findings of the tribunal could easily be overturned by a court of law with such impunity, why didn’t they decide to go straight to court? And will Dora cry bias if this circus is taken to the Supreme Court and the same judges who found her guilty are sitting on the bench? I have a feeling this will just go on and on without end as I reckon they will appeal this decision by judge Musonda.
Jigga, I completely agree with you. This judge’s role was supposed to be to review the powers of the Chirwa tribunal and not on whether Siliya is guilty or not. Now look: “Judge Musonda in the ruling delivered found that Ms. Siliya did not breach the constitution” Just who the hell asked this fool to dwell on that matter? Such forked judgements only goes to show the extent to which our judiciary is rotten!
I think the only thing that can save Zambia from destruction is federalisation. To me, the vicious vernon of tribal bigotry has demented most people and blinded them wholy from reality. For anyone to credit Chiluba or Dora’s submissions with intellect is clear “masalamusi”. If they want to steal, let them still from their own people not the whole country and only a federal system can ensure this.
Article 54 Subsection 3(a)(b) doesn’t say anything about Siliya breaching the constitution. It explains the office of the Attorney General being vacant…? Lawyers please explain….!
#276 ShakaZulu you must be a very sad and upset man today. I have followed your comments for a while and the hatred you have this woman is unmatched anywhere in the world, as someone hinted that she could be your ex-woman, but anyway remember everyone is equal before the law if you and your camp think the High court has made a mistake, ask your Harrington. He can take the case to Supreme Court. Ms Siliya was not happy with the tribunal and took the case to a court. The same recourse is available to your camp. No point spewing your venom here. Use the courts presents your learned facts and argue your case where it matters.
Balumendo please think beyond,this was a very calculated move which involved all these judges Chirwa,musonda and all others in the tribunal.i say so because if you study how the tribunal designed a gimmick to hoodwick and trick people by passing a lesser charge which will later be overturned by a high court.Only a person who has not done logics can be duped.
Makawalala imwe
My heart is profoundly heavy …….. sorry guys, i coulld not resist the urge to comment on this.
Fellow bloggers, my ‘retirement'(from the blog) is being disturbed by “TISSUES” this.
#279 There you go again conspiracy theorists, I thought you were long gone. You want to add our justice system to the urban legend of “election rigging by VJ”. You guys would never accept anything by concoct theories to just calm you emotions. Learn to accept reality and facts. When Facts and reality change, accept and move on. People like you still believe VJ alone has power and magic to rig elections even from his hospital bed, and am sure you would even demand him to be buried in Congo so his ghost does not rig elections in future polls. Amazing indeed.
Jigga # 273/274 if i may, Law is not a pure science but I would say resolution mechanism of different view points , Now the applicant Dora argued that the tribunal erred by going to look at her breaching the constitution and even erred in their interpretation of the role of the attorney general . So the Judge ruled on this and quite logically I feel, especiall after reading todays article in the post. AS for the tribunal, it kind of acts like a magistrates court but in the interest of justice it has a court of appeal
#249 ethel. i also support his thinking.In addition,it has been said before that ‘you can fool some people some time but you can not fool all the people all the time.If i had the means i could have removed all loving innocent poor Zedians from there because the power of D.S is massive,immeasurable,gigantic,incalculable and impressive that it is being felt where am sitted.Amen
oh well…we all knew she wud be found innocent!! no surprise there!! RB seriously is a cow!! im tired of all this nonsense!! we need change!!
MMD ass licker # 279 I agree with you. Another conspiracy, a court is place for reslolution of disputes so why should is ruling only be fair when it judges against the rulling party or another powerfull force. Now even Maureen is an untouchable, get a hold of yourselves therory conspirators ad do not judge situations or indeed people without a full understanding of a situation.
Our judicial system needs a revamp. At the moment it is not doing us any good since cases are not being properly handled. We are to blame and nobody else.
Saw it coming, not suprised at all.. lovely day bloggers!
The Ministry of Justice has concluded the process of de-linking the Judiciary from the Executive arm of government.
This means that the Judiciary will now operate autonomously and determine its own conditions of service.
Justice Minister, George Kunda said an autonomous judiciary will provide an efficient and effective administration of justice.
He was speaking in parliament, when he presented a statement on the estimates of revenue and expenditure for the judiciary this year.
Mr. Kunda however said the judiciary will still be linked to government through the Ministry of Justice.
He said government will continue funding the judiciary through the Ministry of Finance. [www . lusakatimes . com / ? p = 2 2 1 8]
Can someone advise me on what exactly this means…
The Ministry of Justice has concluded the process of de-linking the Judiciary from the Executive arm of government.
This means that the Judiciary will now operate autonomously and determine its own conditions of service.
Justice Minister, George Kunda said an autonomous judiciary will provide an efficient and effective administration of justice.
He was speaking in parliament, when he presented a statement on the estimates of revenue and expenditure for the judiciary this year.
Mr. Kunda however said the judiciary will still be linked to government through the Ministry of Justice.
He said government will continue funding the judiciary through the Ministry of Finance. [ lusakatimes . com / ? p = 2 2 1 8]
Can someone advise me on what exactly this means…
I have just been revived by ba ‘Katenga Malilo staff”, note they are different from ‘manda manda staff”. (after the fainting episode in# 13).
The whole Dora saga is still spinning my head,. Un believable!!! ,
anyone can get away with it pa Zedi kanshi..
Dora was appearing before the tribunal not as criminal to face conviction, but as a to give evidence to exornerate herself from the jaws of the crocodile Harrington’s ugly jaws. the tribunal does not have powers to convict, the pipo who were officials on the tribunal were sitting there as appointed pipo by the CJ and not as Suprme Court Judges, therefore they were surbodinate to the high Court according to our laws. so far, this was a very fair judgement by Philip Musonda
What a govt.MMD is not my govt.
I had said before that no one in the ruling party is guilty until taken out of office. If Kapoko or Miti are also MMD, they shall surely go scotfree
head line post 19.06.2009.
DORA SILIYA REAPPOINTED MINISTER OF COMMUNICATION.
I have just noted why a lot of people insult over the issue of undereducated politicians, that I have noted and brought out on this forum, who have failed lamentably to develop Zambia even when our country is endowed with so many natural resources.
Most of our MP in Parliament are form V (5) Certificate holders and other college Certificates here and there.
Sad that such Parliament is supposed to a place where the LEGISLATURE, equal to both the EXECUTIVE lead by President RB Banda and the JUDICIARY lead by the Chief Justice, , causes the making of serious legislation to drive the whole Nation to prosperity and socio-economic development.
I thus ask you who are interested to visit the National Assembly website and see the qualifications of our MPs.
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strange…but true, ummmmmmmmmmm
Godd morning bloggers! I can see you had a field night at each others throats instead of sticking to topics. Seems some of you have just made it a habbit picking at your collegues anyhow. Just how low can you get?
Maestro, 3Rqu,Jamaco,Nine Chale,Zoe, And the rest of the good guys (and ladies) mulishani?
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Kasama Constituency MP details:
nstituency Number: 90
Date of birth: 28th January 1974
Marital Status: Married
Educational Qualifications: GCE ‘O’ Level, PH.D in Public Health (Honourary), Certificate in Transformational Leadership, Certificate in Reproductive Health and HIV/AIDS, Certificate in Business Administration,, Advanced Certificate in Business Administration
Year First Elected: 2006
Sessional Committee membership: Committee on Education, Science and Technology
Profession: Public Health (HIV/AIDS/TB) Consultant
Hobbies: Reading, travelling and research
Contact Details: P/B 267Rw,
Lusaka
Telephone Number: (260) (211) 292425/0977-785875
Fax Number: (260) (211) 292252
E ma il: chishimbams AT yahoo . c o m
Is an example of how our…
Bottom power at work
How can she even afford to be happy after was has happened. People without remorse!
How can one even be proud to be a Zambian if we have to deal with such people. Anyway, who knows how far she could go to be cleared. These are such female ministers who use their looks to occupy their positions, nothing more.
297 Ba Moze thanks and nili che(I am safe). How are you today too?
On PF MP S Chishimba’s details above, I just got impressed that he has a PhD which is actually an Honourary Doctorate Degree.
Can someone please teach the Zambian MPs to write proper CVs. The ones I have seen so far on the National Assembly website leave much to be desired. Please, warn our good MPs that the whole world has access to their information and they better put it up in goo order to make sense.
Back to the thread at hand, I now note why the Judiciary has behaved in the way it has on bickering over the intepretation of the Constitution and its breach by MP Siliya Bora or not. I am now off to the Judiary website to check the CVs of our Judges.
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Ba Dora Bafuma, Baleke na Chiluba wine ekale umutende. Kapoko nao wine bamufumye muchifungo. Tapali ifilechitika apa!. Ine nalilanda bane nati Kuno naikala ekumyesu chalipwa ku zambia nalifumako. Circus in Zambia!!! Ou r judicial system is bloody rotten. Innocent people are in prison, leaving those who deserve to be incerated roam freely in the streets of Zambia. Lesa akupale RB.
Ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Zambia where are we going kanshi? Pa LT napo pali bambi awe sure.Mayo ndeya ku sukulu mukumona ama results kuti bakwitako ati educated naiwe.Fellow blogger have a blessed and a very peaceful day.
Later.
Matworld.
No comment, just wondering what next for Dora will she be reinstated.
The law is an arse. #274 I agree with you. The legal profession these days has gone to the dogs as well as dogs have gone to the legal profession. The Chief justice not long ago said shady charecters and conmen of all sorts of stripes had invaded the legal profession. Some of the charecters on this forum are Lawyers and going by their arguments you begin to appreciate the graveness of the situation as the CJ put it.
Seriously, the bar for qualification has been set so low, garbage is spewing out from this otherwise noble profession.
Ma rabbish next we will here that Chiluba,Chungu’s,the Katele’s and Kapoko are out because they did things accordingly to want was reqiured.
#306 What makes you different from these people you are insulting. Dora’s case is straight foward- she is being backed by you know who. This is why she never lost any of her ministrial entitlements- she was assured of this aquicttal by the same forces.
No data on the Judiciary people. I will continue looking for it from other sources.
Back to the ruling on Ms MP Dora Siliya, it is good that I am now able to have a view of how our legal system works and probably influenced by all sorts of interested forces. I just hope PF member Mr William Harrington is working on an appeal to the Supreme Court since I have not read not of his comment(s) so far.
This Dora Siliya case just has to be exhausted through all available channels in our legal system so that I can have a glimpse of how thing full work in our Zambian Judiciary stsem.
Have a great day you all for whether one camp wins or loses or there is a draw, we are all Zambians at the end of the day and we must move forward as elections come.
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Ms MP Dora Siliya Resume
Constituency Number: 55
Date of birth: 8th October 1970
Marital Status: Single
Educational Qualifications: Grade 12, BA Mass Communication, Pphil. (DEvelopment Economics)
Year First Elected: 2006
Sessional Committee membership:
Profession: Development Economist/ Mass Communicator
Hobbies: Gymnastics, reading, entertainment and cooking
Contact Details: National Assembly,
P O Box 31299,
Lusaka
Telephone Number: (269) (211) 227009/ 0979-524035
Fax Number: (260) (211) 226984
E m a i l: dsiliya AT parliament . gov . z m
COMMENT: I believe “Educational Qualifications: Grade 12, BA Mass Communication, Pphil. (DEvelopment Economics)” must be Educational Qualifications: … Mphil. (DEvelopment Economics)…
Who can challenge the government ? boma ni boma no 2 ways about it, i knew one way or another dora will go scot free and it is exactly what has happened
#304 Matworld,its true limbi kuti wabako ba over-educate nga ba Rocket something.
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The data above was sourced from the PARLIAMNET WEBSITE.
Bloggers, take note that Ms MP Dora Siliya does perform some Gymnastics to keep fit and in shape. Therefore, stop insulting her about being ugly and the like or other issues but focus on the contentious matters with her case and not personality.
Have a good day and be blessed you all.
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THE JUDICIARY IS CORRUPTED! LET US REMOVE RUPIAH BANDA IMMEDIATELY BY ALL MEANS WHETHER PEACEFULLY OR FORCEFULLY. WE ARE SITTING ON A TIME-BOMB, IT WILL SOON EXPLODE, MORE WILL DEAD.
When I was in State House as first lady, I had reports that Dora Silira had running battles with Richard Kazala’s fiance. this is becoz Dora was f..king around with the young Kazala. She is a swift mabelo girl. Imagine a Minister with words like,”I WAS SO DRUNK LAST NIGHT, I DONOT EVEN KNOW WHO F..KED ME” surely these were things that were known during the time of FTJ and his friends the late Sampa, Lembalemba, Newstead Zimba and many others. What a shame!
Justice is when your client wins .
Battles are won by slaughter and maneuver. The greater the general, the more he contributes in maneuver, the less he demands in slaughter.
but one day the dust shall settle for sure,they say the time to repair the roof is when the sun is shining,cause the sun wont shin forever.
#301, i hope you are not saying this just beceuse Dora is a female, this is not fair , if it was a man , you would be saying welldone, that fact that she is cleared is what matters .
Wow! Congrats Dora. Give the them more mabelo
His eyes are like a sparrow,he watches over us,his judgement no man will escape,for we shall one day give an account of all our acts to the judge of all judges,he who is impartial,the immortal shall vindicate us in no time soon.
All the earthly judges will be judged by him one day.
JUDGE PHILLIP MUSONDA HAS RULED IN FAVOUR OF DORIKA FINE. LET US RESPECT THE JUDGEMENT FOR THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE JUDGE WHEN TIME COMES WHO IS RULE & JUDGE THE EARTHLY JUDGES. AS FOR HARRINGTONE NO MATTER HOW MANT TIMES HE IS GOING TO APPEAL THE RULING WILL BE HELD COZ THE JUDICIALLY HAS PUT ITSELF IN A DOCK. HARRY WILLY IS A BITTER MAN WITH DORIKA COZ SHE DISOLVED THE BOARD WHERE HARRY WAS CHAIRMAN. LET DORIKA GET AWY WITH IT BUT IS HE CHARACTER AND PERSONALITY HAS ALREADY BIN STAINED WITH DIRTY NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES HE MIND WILL NEVER BE FREE. WE ARE TO BALME OURSELVES BECAUSE OF NOT BEING PROACTIVE WHEN IT MATTERS. WE BECOME ALERT AFTER ACTION HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. IT WILL BE ONE SCAM AFTER ANOTHER SO THAT IS THE CASE WHEN WE HAVE EYES BUT CANT SEE EARS BUT CANT LISTEN. FEAR UNKNOW
thats what happens when you employ your girl friends….under pressure…bottom power.
Most of you bloggers contributing here are showing severe signs of lack of analytical minds. Why, do your little brains overheat? What do you know about law? If you like the judgment then the Judicicry is ok, otherwise they are corrupt! That is the result of getting your intelligence from The Post. To you, opinions and personal judgements matter more than facts. You neither think nor analyze. Your thinking is done for you by Fred Mmembe and his terrorists.
#322, Incorrect data. the one who disolved the Board where HARRY was Hon Sayifwanda. Check your details before you lie to the many that are crisizing Judge Phil for doing the correct thing.
Oke guys, the judges should know that I ball is in there hands and whatever happens, We will blame them. This shows that even the judges are now being bribed.
#324 you need to respect people’s view…we dont know may be you have benefited from Dora’s deals…
We all know RB likes younger women and Dora is single and better looking than Thandiwe, what do you expect…
#327, are you respecting my views? And what if I benefitted from Dora’s deals? Ok, setup another tribunal! You are contradicting yourself, think first and act later.
We are blessed with MMD Govrnment. I m looking forward to seeing RB coming back in 2011. This time with a Very big
margin. Viva RB Viva MMD
#328. Please do not insult our His Excellency Ruphia Bwezani Banda. The man is very intelligent, understanding and approachable. Zambia wll never have such an educated President. Viva RB and Longlive MMD
Ghost dog: correction: Hes eyes are not like a sparrow, rather hes eye is on the sparrow, what more us(people)
Maestro mudala, Problems in the country can not be solved by SATA and DULL faced HH.This country needs to go to the basics. HH and Sata would do ANYTHING to get to the top and THAT is the problem. We need non compromising, open minded, highly educated indviduals who can look at the state of the country and change the course for the better and not people who just because they ve money ar some polical experience then now they seek HONOUR. Noooooo…. IRON and CLAY can never MIX
#332, I think you’ve a point – two actually!
332, take note of the CV for Minister Ronnie Shikapwasha below:
Keembe Constituency MP:
Constituency Number: 3
Date of birth: 25th December 1947
Marital Status: Married
Educational Qualifications: Form V, Airforce/Defence Training
Year First Elected: 2003
Sessional Committee membership:
Profession: Pilot, Minister of Religion
Hobbies: Football, tennis, reading
Contact Details: National Assembly,
P O Box 31299
Lusaka
Telephone Number: (260) (211) 253454/ 0955/0977-845512
Fax Number: (260) (211) 292252/254669
E ma il: rshikapwasha AT parliament . gov .z m
Source: w w w . parliament . gov . z m
Sad to write, but this CV explains why there is too much talk while the country is not developing and this is why president HH is the man of the moment. Forget about the…
#278 you are very intelligent brother. In 2011, I want RB to win with 99% votes. We are blessed with this intelligent
selfishless man. Viva RB and Longlive MMD. I will campaign for him tooth ad nail
ALL IN ALL GOD IS WATCHING AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES IWEEEE…. IT WILL BE KAFWAFWA…
#332 – You are very right. And the ONLY person who can see us through 2020 is RB.
His CV is so rich such that you do not even need to finish reading it for
you to appreciate him. He is a man of Substance. AN INTELLECTUAL in short.
Viva RB and Longlive MMD.
332 persona greetings formally. starting from above Forget about the Undereducate Sata, but look at the rest of our MPs’ qualifications in our current National Assembly. You will be shocked for there qualifications showcase why we have boot lickers to the MMD GRZ, EXECUTIVE while the LEGISLATURE was supposed to be a place where national matters are taken seriously to develop Zambia and empower ourselves as a people. So what does your “Maestro mudala, Problems in the country can not be solved by SATA and DULL faced HH.This country needs to go to the basics. HH and Sata would do ANYTHING to get to the top and THAT is the problem.” hold for me? What basics are you writing about? What can president HH fail to do when he made 40 Billion in 46 yrs with RB 3 Bil in 72.
MMD Chief Bootlicker says: With fellow citizens like you, which country surely needs enemies? The stupidity that bedevils some African minds stinks, I wonder what someone so devoid of the ability to think is doing in South Africa! No wonder there is xenophobia there I do not blame South Africans. Maybe we need this in Zambia too to separate noble citizens from stinkers and their adent bootlicking followers.
mssssshhhhhhh (nafyola fye)
Further, Harrington has already appealed, we’ll see who will have the last laugh. The era of urinating on our laws and trying to dribble oneself out of the consequences ended with Chiluba. We will pursue all thieves to the grave should need be and FTJ knows that. So, MMD boot licker, do not count your chicks before they hatch, ukutangile te kufika!
#338 – I would not be surprised if someone told me you had been to Havard University
as well. Your analysis is so excellent such that even a grade 3 pupil can follow.
For RB, you do not even have to read his CV. Just look at the way he handles
problems, he cannot be pushed by waves. He first listens and consult. HE IS THE GREAT LEADER. VIVA RB
332 persona . As your “We need non compromising, open minded, highly educated indviduals who can look at the state of the country and change the course for the better and not people who just because they ve money ar some polical experience then now they seek HONOUR“, the Undereducate has a terrible past record and his alleged experience and performance is nothing but a lie. Otherwise, was he working alone or in a TEAM? Does he have team work skilss? If not, how can he lead a Nation Zambia?
On “Noooooo…. IRON and CLAY can never MIX“, What do you mean? I have been to the National Assembly website and both PF with UPND have relatviely well qualified MPs. So, PF and UPND have mixed very well and the blending is going on smoothly.
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Not everyone is equal before the Zambian laws. The rich and the powerful are above the like siliya. Lets not talk about corruption because its more than a reality in Zambia but a way of life. These so called leaders are plundering the country’s resources with inpunity. Zambia surely needs a Moses to free the people from the yoke of Pharoah(MMD). Abantu nabachula because of MMD
Ok. Lets try VJ as President. Maybe he will change things. ahahahahah
wat a nation.cry the beloved country.wat is this nosense in zambia?i wish i had money,i would have gone out the country so that i find this government out of power because,it is a disgrace.
I do not know about you guys but # 343 above is clearly showing manifestations of an embacile!
Time to reappoint into foreign service
343 MMD heavy supporter/ Assistant MMD Boot Licker greetings. On your “#338 – I would not be surprised if someone told me you had been to Havard University as well. Your analysis is so excellent such that even a grade 3 pupil can follow” thanks, but I have never been to Havard. However, it might just be possible in the near future. Otherwise, I was inducted at UNZA and other world reknown universities.
As for “For RB, you do not even have to read his CV. Just look at the way he handles
problems, he cannot be pushed by waves. He first listens and consult. HE IS THE GREAT LEADER.“, President RB Banda still does not understand what his job is. I may his plan for Zambia and not just MMD when campaigns will start in 2011.
B blest
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#347, Ba ShakaZulu fimo fimo, you have made me laugh today.. hhhahhhah!
343 MMD heavy supporter/ Assistant MMD Boot Licker. Also, let the new Constitution come and may be I will consider acquiring Citizenship elsewhere for it is very sad to see how the resources of the Country, Zambia, are being wasted.
I have always never wanted to change my Zambian Citizenship, but it may be necessary to add another country’s Citizenship soon if Zambian people will continue electing people who do not understand the 21st Century dynamics.
Have a great day though and take care my brother/sister.
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What a country! Owe to you politicians. I am now non- partisan until further notice. The seed of corruption has done this country no good. I wonder whether those in the opposition have any answer to this situation we have finally found ourselves in. We have no morals as a people. From journalists, to politcians through union leaders, civil servants, custodians of the law, engineers, accountants, party cadres etc, gentlemen we have failed our motherland, Zambia. We have to start all over again. A new start for Zambia is definitely needed. Judge Musonda has to bee investigated in future. The high court has cooked up the Dora appeal outcome. Any ways God is all powerful and wrong doers will have to pay in one way or the other. GOD HAVE MERCY ON US. We have failed this land.
#338, “What can president HH fail to do when he made 40 Billion in 46 yrs with RB 3 Bil in 72′.
Now, imagine what he can make for HIMSELF if he’s the President! He made so much during privatisation and even became chairman of one hotel chain he helped sell on behalf of you and I (gOVERNMENT). So, are those actions of an honorable citizen?
353 CHAD, your submission “Now, imagine what he can make for HIMSELF if he’s the President! He made so much during privatisation and even became chairman of one hotel chain he helped sell on behalf of you and I (gOVERNMENT). So, are those actions of an honorable citizen?” is utter uselessness. Add more to your claims or check what school brings to the educated.
To answer you question, what president HH did in the privatisation of LCM was a noble job for Zambians as a boss of a Receivership company. What a great son of Zambia president HH is. Even his money has been increasing from 23 Billion in 2006 to 40 Billion in 2008 but the privatisation of LCM was in 1997 or so.
Stop trying to cheat for I am not dull to take very poor analysis from you.
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ni pa ZED pano kaa?come July20 I will be declared an innocent man and shame on you all who like finger-pointing….I have owez told you, “thou shall not finger-point or whistle-blow , just do some palm-greasing or do some blow-jobs like D.S”
most of the comments above are useless and dull and are from imcompetent losers who have nothing much to say about them selves but alot about others… …..Thumbs up to everyone who said something relevant and meaningful
353 CHAD, on your “Now, imagine what he can make for HIMSELF if he’s the President! He made so much during privatisation and even became chairman of one hotel chain he helped sell on behalf of you and I (gOVERNMENT)“, I am asking you to stop imagining things and wait for reality.
Courts of law are there to bring all culprit to book. Now that president HH has never been charged for any theft or misconduct in the transactions that Grant Thornton did over LCM privatisation under the old and new MMD GRZ Administrations means that he did not do anything wrong.
Learn to blog in a normal sober manner by making arguments on facts and not specualtions.
Thus, all the very best to the PF-UPND PACT in any of the upcoming elections.
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this is for every blogger.
My advice to you all is that, lets not see these regretable events happening in zambia and think we are not affected, remember we all pay tax, we fund the misdoing going in zambia. its time to get united, just like we share idea on almost anything that is national interest, to fight this corruption regardless of where you diasporize.
the tax we contribute is meant for infrustructre development, but in my mind i cant even imagin seeing tarmak roads in kabwata chilenje or even better housing facilities for the misis and other compound.
lets find ways of seeking high recognition so that these contribution dont just end with LT or ZW.
Radio Phoenix news 13.00hrs: Harrington with his lawyers will alert the nation if he is filing for appeal in Supreme Court by Friday this week or latest latest Monday (He suggests that the Judiciary itself is on trial). Also Transparency International Zambia (TIZ) has confirmed that the ACC is investigating Dora’s case.
this country is ripe for pilagingand raping by anyone willing
Maestro The problem in this country is that proper people who can change the course of this nation dont want to take part in politics because of its dirtyness. The levels of Bututulism is so high and that way people risk being mishandled by ever unreasoning zambians. I looked at the caliber of the MPs we chose in the C/belt and Lusaka JUST BECAUSE they belonged to PF, the are a shame. They dont even understand the meaning od GDP. Bro Magande would have a made a good and better Leader than HH because he has not proven himself in politics. Check bena Obama, they had persfoprmed as Senators, your HH has never even been a simple Councilor/MP. We dont want Job on training. SATA nao wa wrong 100%. If UPND is as credible as you think it is, how then have you a deligent and loyal follower change
I don’t know why anyone should be surprised about this outcome, when Rupiah made it very clear that he intended to get at the Attorney-General’s chambers and in his own words, “re-organize” that office!! All that remains to complete the circle is for Mumba Malila to step down. That is the only honourable thing for him to do; but unfortunately, will also hand Rupiah the undeserved victory he so meticulously and deviously designed with his vice George Kunda. Nothing in today’s Zambia shocks any more.
361 nomsa thanks and on your “Maestro The problem in this country is that proper people who can change the course of this nation dont want to take part in politics because of its dirtyness“, this is very sad indeed for they people you are referring to can always clean up the mess by trying. This is why I am blogging right now. Check how many insults are directed at me and see how I have never insulted back to those that insult me. Such is leadership and this is what we need as Zambians!
On “Check bena Obama, they had persfoprmed as Senators, your HH has never even been a simple Councilor/MP. We dont want Job on training.” How many are you? President HH is ok in our setup, otherwise who will do what you are claiming about propers.
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362 Zambian Minister-in-Waiting greetings and on your “All that remains to complete the circle is for Mumba Malila to step down. That is the only honourable thing for him to do; but unfortunately, will also hand Rupiah the undeserved victory he so meticulously and deviously designed with his vice George Kunda.” I think Mumba Malila has to hang in there for he has not committed anything wrong for him to resign.
Whatever the case, I am hopeful that the Tribunal Judges will do us Zambians the honours by doing what is right.
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I am very dissapointed by the calliber of Zambian citizens. We seem to be comfortable with our country being ran down. We are such a rich nation but the few in leadership are only pleasing themselves and the relations and relationships. Our Red Bull just gets back into the country does not even say a word about the plight of our civil servants and goes on to please one person for his own personal benefits. No this is so shameful. We need to show more patriotism than this. The many of you who can even support his actions are so shallow in thinking i i will not take my words back. Its the principlce my fellow Zambians. Before you know we will be gettting grants from Malawi and Rwanda because some few happy spenders would have spent all our monies shopping and sellin zed
any one have W, Harringtons contact info