President Mwanawasa has sent a message of congratulations to the President of Israel, Shimon Peres, on that country’s National Day.
In his message, Dr. Mwanawasa said Zambia desires to strengthen existing relations with Israel through economic co-operation in the energy, tourism and finance sectors.
In the congratulatory message released to ZANIS by Special Assistant to the President for Press and Public Relations, John Musukuma, President Mwanawasa said Zambia further desires to strengthen existing relations with Israel in health, agriculture, construction and technology sectors.
“We join you in celebrating this happy occasion, we desire to strengthen and broaden our co-operation for the mutual benefit of the people of our two countries,” the message read in part.
Dr. Mwanawasa wished Mr. Peres personal good health and the people of Israel peace and prosperity.
The State of Israel was established in 1948, when Jewish independence, lost two thousand years earlier was restored.
lots of sense.
“The State of Israel was established in 1948, when Jewish independence, lost two thousand years earlier was restored.”
Editor, can you please, educate the masses on how Isreal was formed or made and by who for Isrealis? Do not lead Zambians into making uninformed contributions on this platform without detailing them on how Isreal came into existence. Don’t take life for granted. This is a very sensitive issue.
There will never be peace in the middle east until Israel makes peace with its neighbours.
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This is good LPM. We need to continue relating with the ‘Chosen Ones’.
He should also send to China.
and Taiwan
Kushi is the translation for nigger in hebrew, do you have a translation for jews in bantu
#5 The ‘chosen ones’ are cursed, they disobeyed God’s instructions that is why there is no peace in the middle east. Some jews are good normal people but some are power hungry criminals that are kiiling innocent people in the name of the Isreali State. The spreed lies through their media and multi national corps from america which the fully control. In fact the Iraq war and the soon to come Iran war has everything to do with Isreal. Over 4 million people of died because of these people.
Anonymous stop misleading people, you seem to have something to say on anything. An empty tin makes a lot of noise, we learnt in grade 2. The recreation of Isreal is a fullment of Bible prophercy. You can debate no matter how you like the Bible says in Amos 9:14-15 that there would come a time when the exiles of Israel would again have Israel as their own land and that they would never be uprooted again. This happened in 1948. In fact Jews and Arabs are brothers from Abraham. Jews from Isaac and Arabs from Ismail. Had Abraham obeyed there would be no Arabs but he went ahead and slept with his wife’s servant hence Ismail. But Isaac (Jews) was the promised child.
#2
you need to educated yourself. Jewish independence was lost after the romans deported the jews from Judea and renamed in Philistia/or palestine to destroy jewish idenity in the first jewish roman wars. The roman emperor hadrian massacred thousands of jews in attempt to wipe them all out . The state of israel created in 1948 is just resuming the nation that was destroyed . The people called Palestinians are not the real occupants they were led to believe in their religion that the covenant of the land of jacob was done away with and now the land belongs to them. The covenant of that land of Israel is forever , so you can argure all you want but that land is fulfilled prophecy
#8
Ndiye chikopo the word for black in hebrew in Shaxor.
#9
The lie that the chosen ones are all cursed is unscriptural. the bride of Israel. The ones that denied and transgressed teh law of moses and tesimony of Yahushuah are the ones that are cursed. the doctrine that the nation of israel is cursed and useless is chrisrian dogma of supercessionism where christians want to believe they are the new israel
#10, 11 & 12
First I didn’t say all Jews are cursed, I clearly mentioned that there are some good normal Jews. I don’t believe that the bible or God support the idea that just because the bible says this particular group of people are the ‘chosen ones’ then it means that they have the right to kill their neighbours as the wish. One of the 10 commandments is “thou shall not kill”, clearly the ‘Jews’ of today’s Israel are not obeying this one commandment if you look at the Palestine – Jewish fighting. There could be a minority of Jews who are ‘chosen’ but it’s not the politicians or the business people with Jewish connections who run both America and Israel that are ‘chosen’.
#10 Shidada
I didn’t want to go down this route but I will have to advice you to learn the
basicsof blogging on LUSAKA TIMESIf a user decides to post without a user name, their post will appear as Anonymous. Now I don’t know how many bloggers post with out user names. In short you can’t attribute every anonymous post to me because that would be very simplitic.
Ha, Ha
The bible talks about how those of us who have believed in the Son of God have been grafted in to Israel,we are no-longer enemies of God.God has indeed watched over the nation of Israel even after spending centuries in all corners of the globe.He faithfully watched over His word & brought them back to the land of their fore Fathers Abraham,Isaac & Jacob.When you read about that war, you’ll agree with me that it was miraculously!Israel,be4 then the Jews;surrounded by hostile nations/out numbered but they conquered all & that year 1948 has gone into History.But all in all this Israel Palestinian problems just goes to show how important it is to obey God.Abrams mistake is still being felt today
So how do you think The jews were going to fulfil prophecy or restoring Israel with unruly muslim arabs? If you throw a child in a hungry lions cage and complain that the child was devoured whose fault will that be. The creator YHWH warns that the enemies of Israel shall be destroyed surely this is exactly whats happening in that region. Those palestinians aren’t as innocent as they potray themselves, they are sinning for the simple fact that they want to take land thats not theres because Islam told them jews turned in pigs and that Palestine is now theres. If you attack the chosen ones expect to suffer a lot just like the canaanites, philitines and the rest of the people acting like arabs
Anonymous,your contributions even on the other topics have been moderate & i think you should keep it that way as for the rest of us pliz lets not get emotional/personal but rather share ideas & information soberly with respect 4 each other’s divergent views.Having different view points is powerful,i mean imagine life if we all thought alike,it would have been so boring.With all said lets keep the spirit,this is a good blog & we can make it better!!!
The problem is, its quite difficult to be moderate in this middle east crisis.when you look at Islam on one hand,it preaches a message of hate.I mean as long you’re not a Muslim,you’re an infidel worth no less than a loaf of bread.And they are encouraged to kill such pipo & if a relative converts & someone from they family kill them,that is an honor killing.How come converting Muslims is against the law but converting to Islam is ok?I cldn’t help last Saturday but feel pity on some poor Zambians along grt
north rd dressed in Islamic garments becoz they are poor & some rich Islams are using their poverty to convert them when in actualy fact they care less!!!!
“Anonymous” is a default username for any person who posts a contribution withoue a “name” in the name component of the posting webpage.
And so, it follows that their a many people who are appearing as if it is one person with a censored name “Anonymous”. In the words of someone in another thread on here, most of those of us who leave our usernames as “Anonymous” are cowards. However, some of us may not be necessarily cowards but people who are still learning how to use this LT webpage.
I fear this topic.All i know is that in that place lived jews and gentiles.even in that time they had problems and it was the time of Jesus.
Hey, don’t you think Zambians are the chosen ones? This is because through Mwanawasa Zambia has been liberated from the shuckles of Chiluba’s bastardisation, corrupt and fornicative mind.
Thanx 4 that correction but may this particular “Anonymous”#13,14 & 15 please start using a username & announce it so i can allow your contributions nicely.I’m kind of fond of you.
Thanx 4 that correction but may this particular “Anonymous”#13,14 & 15 please start using a username & announce it so i can follow your contributions nicely.I’m kind of fond of you.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
“It’s not what user name you use that matters but what is contained in your post i.e. the message, logic or idea” (Anonymous, Times. L, 07/05/2008)
All of you are using fake names here so why are u bothered about this Anonymous guys? Some of are wathafuc, choma1,ehk and so forth so forth. SO WHAT?
#26
So squash
Sorry i bothered!!
#2 You’re right on. “this is a very sensitive issue”. Bilically the woes of the state of isreal/palestine will only be resolved by ‘he who opens and on one shuts and shuts and no one opens'(Revelations 3:5)-Jesus Christ. After all they were fore warned on these things which are just passing in fulfilment of prophecy.
Does God approve of the massacre Palestinians are going thru?
Saddam Hussein used quotes from the Koran a great deal and described the Iranians (Iran) as a greater danger to Iraq and the Gulf Arabs than Israel.
Only 5% of Israel’s Jewish population are religious.. and I see people calling them the chosen ones. Maybe people should be spending more time studying their biblical texts rather than quoting them verbatim without a shred of understanding. But we cannot let facts get in the way of a good story – I mean it is not like thousands of palestinians have lost lives, are living in prison-like communities. Read up on the history of Zionism, the creation of Israel, the conditions of the Balfour agreement, the 6-day war, the duplicity of USA and Russia. Check out the difference between Judaism and Zionism. I mean you are on the interweb, the least you can do is get informed!!
EHK, those of you who believe in the ‘Son of God’ – meaning you are not a son of God yourself, have been grafted into Israel. You are the same people bringing problems to the world, you occupy other people’s property in the name of God, kill and impose unjust laws in occupied territories. is that God’s design? Who told you that you are the chosen ones? Does it then mean that the rest of us are not? What nonsense and distance from reality!
The significance of Mwanawasa’s remarks are clearly wasted on you lot. Zambia had a good relation with Israel in the 60s with them building the Great East Road campus of UNZA. In the early 70s KK switched allegiance and became pro-Palestinian hence certain parts of the campus building were not completed.
Mwanawasa is now simply saying he wuld like to rub shoulders with Israel. I detect a whispered change of foreign policy. Isreal have more to offer materially than the Palestinians who we have hitherto provided refuge to.
#34 This is exactly what my palestian collegue told me 3 years ago.The guy said dealing with Israel would have benefitted Zambia alot.He actually told that Most African leaders were misled KK inclusive
#32
Where did you get the silly idea that you have to be religious to be chosen,? It’s the same biblical texts that gave credence to the creation of Israel and destruction of it’s enemies. Only misinformed people think Herzl’s zionism is what really created Israel, zionism is just over a hundred years old. The troubles in that part of the world predate Zionism so stop using zionism as an excuse. The troubles in that land started just after the first jewish -roman war there was no zionism or balfour agreement then.
#12 i said “kushi” is for nigger not “black” Can you beat 8 years of living in Israel? Black people are insulted as KUSHI’S there, or is calling a blackman black an insult to you? I’m not a nigger
you lot including your leader are PURE KUSHI’S we had a choice between Uganda and ISRAEL if we had taken uganda we would have killed alot of you niggers like we do your fellow under class.KUSHIS you were brought on earth to save us l,m the choosen one real anonymous
#38 simply pure ignorant piece of crap
Enough is enough. Don’t get bogged into the history of Israel and world religion. Think about it people. Do most people in other countries care about wanting to know what Zambia’s indigenous religion was before the coming of the Missionaries? Whatever religion we practice now, it is one that is imposed on us by virtue of our willingness of wanting to belong. Zambians as such, we are very accommodating society. One achievememt we have made and be proud of is the erosion of tribal boundaries through intermarriages. This has certainly brought about the unity and tranquility that we are enjoying.
intermarriages are a blessing for Zambia.
To those that have good memory, this achievement came about after we embraced the philosopy of humanism and the slogan “One Zambia One Nation”. We yet have to become economically strong. Imagine what power the Palestinians and Israelis would have if they intermarried and became a united country. These guys have a lot to benefit from each other if they play their cards well. Probably for now we should look forward to a united world since we are experiencing intermarriages across national boundaries. Are we going to get there?
I agree with my christian brethren here. KK was wrong to cut off diplomatic relations with Israel. God punished Zambia for this. Look at how the economy went into a tail spin from then. On the other hand countries like Liberia and Zaire which never broke off relations with Israel were blessed by the Almighty. They prospered in peace and prosperity.
no. 43 are you sure. liberia and zaire now DRC have had some of the longest civil wars in africa.
#43 What peace is in “Zaire” DRC? In neighboring Burundi, every day hundreds of refugees arrive, running from North Kivu Militia attacks. watch the documentary “King Mobutu” volume I and II.
the muslim hate the jew the christian hate the muslim and jew hate the christian,its a religion dilemma,more blood has been spilled on religion than on anything in world history.Its a paradox of some kind.
religion is the opiate of the masses jews will be jews christians will be christians and talibans will be talibans lets not blow this out of all proportion and keep things simple here, that is lets congratulate the jewish community on their national day. And to avram Grant make sure when u go to moscow u dont return without the trophy….to the wire boys to the wire.
Israel deserves the right to exist just as the Palestinians deserve a country of their own, both parties are very passionate about their religion, their identies and both parties are very very vengeful. I do not see either party stopping their deadly tit-for-tat game in the foreseeable future. Now for those who believe in God and say everything is in devine order, where is God’s hand in the middle-east? Let’s live and let live. I believe that some day in future the off-springs of those killing each other now will together sort out this whole centuries’-old mess. I maybe a dreamer, but am I the only one?
We will have much to gain from strong diplomatic relations. However on the question of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians in Occupied Territory I think we Zambians shouldn’t take as a given that Israel is in the right but we should research on it . Most Palestinians are refugees outside their own country (or what’s left of it which is legally- the boarders after the 1967 war) and Israel continues to create settlements on Palestinian land in contravention of International Law. That issue is up to our consciouses but economically Levy is smart for turning to Isreal- they have a successful economy-something we could do with.
*****s have forgotten NIKUV and the rotten state of our nation as result of this company’s assistance to the MMD.
The bugas used the bibile to colonise us, we were taught that the bible is a good book. But now it is being used as justification to evict, occupy and humiliate the palistinian people who have lived on the land for many generations.
If it is such a strong proof for the chosen ones claim to the holy land, why isent it presented as proff in the international courts and the UN in this land conflict ???.
I kind think people have to research the bible properly before commenting on what realy means by israel in the bible.after jesus the bible talks about spiritual israel not killers who have no regard for human life.