his MMD counterpart Nevers Mumba
MMD president Nevers Mumba says UPND president Hakainde Hichilema’s apology over his remarks that anyone joining the MMD now is out of their minds was made to him as an individual and not to the former ruling party.
Dr. Mumba says if he accepted Mr. Hichilema’s apology and forgave him it does not mean that all MMD members would do the same.
He says it could happen that despite some MMD members seeing the text apology, they could still be waiting for a public apology from Mr. Hichilema.
Dr Mumba says it is important that political leaders concentrate on why they have been put in their positions.
The MMD leader adds that leaders should also begin to respect each other.
And Dr Mumba says the perceived fight between the MMD and the UPND will die a natural death.
But ba Mumba muli chikopo, sikopo, complete airhead. HH is really a gentleman. he had the decency to reach out to a colleague and apologise, now look at the pastor’s reaction! Lord have mercy
Pastor Mumba, I thought you are the president of MMD and by apologising to you HH was extending that apology to MMD membership. Bwana pastor, can you please start living according to Christian values if people are to seriously consider you as a man of God as you claim to be.
A wise man once said ‘to give an answer before listening and understanding what has been said is foolishness’.
Its amazing to read the comments from people who do not understand the context of the words Dr.Mumba allegedly uttered.To help those of you who are intellectually challenged ‘do not take at face value everything you read on the internet or read in the papers’
This thing started with HH having a slip of the tongue and mentioning MMD instead of PF….It’s indeed an argument based on nothing and as Dr.Mumba rightly said it’s a perceived fight that will just die a natural death.
@OBATALA-HH said it publicly and not privately that those in MMD and Joining are mad.In MMD it’s not a personality cult.So HH should have made an effort to apologize to MMD general membership.Even in the Bible,Paul refused to be freed from prison privately,because he was publicly humiliated.He wanted public apology and release.
@Zed Patriot-MMD is not a personality cult.HH said it publicly the madness of MMD Members.Many members where hurt.MMD is not like Ing’ombe Ilede Membership.The members are not ilede(sleeping).they are awake.They want to hear yo HH apologize publicly and not hidden privately.Yes,he might have talked to Dr Mumba,who has personally forgiven him,but how about the majority MMD Members?
@Ex-moma, you really sound intelligent. But us wise men sometimes just forgive anyone even before they say anything. For example:
I personally forgive Ba Sata for his behavior after falling ill this year. If he will issue a written or verbal apologize, I still expect that he one day talk to Zambians. However, Zambians have not forgiven Ba Sata, just the same as HH vs MMD.
I was beginning to think that MMD cadres had widened up after the humiliating defeat they faced in 2011 but I was wrong. They are still as dull as their PF counterparts. Don’t you realise that if HH made a public apology that was going to publicize the issue and it was going to disadvantage MMD. Anyway, no need to argue or apologize. What HH mistakenly said is the truth.k
MAN OF GOD WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM A FREEMASON HH,AN ANGEL OF DARKNESS?HE DOES NOY KNOW WHAT HUMILITY MEANS.HE IS JUST PROUD AS SATAN…..
The apology was made to Dr Mumba as an individual. Is Mumba MMD? Again it depends on how the apology was tendered. Just saying.
I agree with you that it depends on the way the apology is phrased. Also, for some parties the president is the party and members have no voice beyond the president. This is what has destroyed most institutions of governance in our country by assuming that the president of a political party is every thing, from his/her money to decision making. No other views are accommodated.
@Observer-You’re right.These UPND Spcies,they conveniently forget that,MMD is an Institution and NOT a personality cult.UPND play Ing’ombe Ilede/Iyona Politics,and only One Supreme Leader HH is awake,the rest are sleeping/ilede.It’s a high time the UPND Spicies reliased that MMD is bigger than an individual.So all members need respect from HH and the sleeping Ing’ombe Ilede HH Flowers.
Iwe Sir Nyambe, what Spices are you on about?? Curry? Parsley? Chicken Spice? What the hell are you trying to say?
Mumba……You wanted HH to apologise to each member of MMD? Dont you think he came to you bcoz u are the one on top of MMD leadership? Think twice man!!!
@Canio-HH used the loud media to say what he said.So he should have used the same loud media to say what he privately said to an individual,Dr Mumba.The majority MMD Members,didn’t even know that HH had privately said anything to Dr Mumba.It’s like that Nicodemus in the Bible who went to Jesus in the night.
that confirms that Mumba can not control his party no wonder the confusion in MMD. mY PEOPLE SAY ‘there are no virgins in martenety ward’
Is that supposed to be “Martin’s” ward??? Would be interesting to find out what goes on there!!
@Zambian-This confirms nothing.It only shows that the under 5 HH is very raw and lacks widom and many times he seems to lack good grammer and vocubulary to communicate well and intelligently to the public.That’s why Dr Mumba has called for Intelligent debate amongst all political players.You’ll see HH will just talk about how ‘successfully’ he has kept cows-Ing’ombe Ilede and managing other pipos businesses he found already in existance as a share holder-sic.
Mumba’s dullness is surfacing now. Grow up Mr Mumba and think like a man. No wonder people like mulusa and siliya dont want you at the helm.
@Entropy-It’s not dullness.Dr Mumba is showing you UPND spicies that,UPND is NOT a Personality Cult,but an Institution of awake membership who need respect from leaders like HH.MMD is NOT ING’OMBE ILEDE.All MMD members have to be respected,they’re not insane,under 5 HH slip of the tongue said-sic.
@Entropy, you got a good name. Keep it. I like entropy, I use it in most of my lectures.
Dr Mumba your a mature politician know
we know u av tried your best to be nice to HH but it has all been in vain,the man arrogant,very selfish and very greed at the same time, above all his hunger for power.he thinks he is the only factor on the polical scene with no regard for his oponents everything is about himself for himself.
he doesnt care wat comes out of his mouth as long as he has said it ,some of his statements ar very alarming in nature ,sometimes u wonder how he is advised anyway wat dou you expect from the outdated wiliam banda.
This Mumba has lost it. HH has apologised, What more does he need. If i were HH I would even withdraw my apology cos the man is playing primitive/
What are Mumba’s educational background? Hope he is not one of those Kitwe Pastors who use milk to remove ghosts from church members
That’s why I love HH. HH for Bettter Zambia. We don’t just vote for somebody but we look at what somebody has achieved in his life.
If you truly love HH as you claim, you should be bold enough to advise him that he is fighting a lost cause with UPND because this party will not deliver him the presidency. UPND has been on a declining mode ever since HH took over it’s leadership in 2006 and all he managed in his first 5 years at the helm of the party was to bring down its popularity from 27% to its current level of 18%.Being a good economic manager does not make one to be a good political manager and this is what separates HH from the late Anderson Mazoka.
Mumba kuchenjela kwaso zoona. Ufuna kulewa so tht theFAILURE OF MMD wont b on your Shoulders SO THT WHOEVER WILL be THE PRESIDENT BETWEEN HH and any chosen PF candidate you will b able to fall EITHER 28Months more b4 General Elections in 2016.
My Advice to u, just join the winning team….UPND !.
UPND has no chance to win a national election. This is a party which is on a downward trajectory since 2006 when HH took over it’s leadership and now sits at a paltry 18% from 27%.Majority of Zambian’s including young voter’s who are new on the scene have consistently and will continue to shun voting for UPND and come 2016 this party will lose big time and will only dominate in southern province.
@Leonard
Of course if the congolese can stil hoodwink and deceive the other part of Zambia, they will continue in office and destroy the country furthe. There will be zero NET progress in the public sector during the reign of these congolese theives. The outcome will just be like their tribesmate across Luapula river – theft, looting, corruption and all evils.
That is all the congolese north are good for; natolafye. These people are so much thieves that they sleep with chickens and cannot rear cattle as their tribesmate will do natolafye! Masholi mabemba mukaise!!
@Obatala what apology, if he means we’ll y has HH not said it publicly, why is Simusamba the Deputy SG busy writing rubbish staff on the WD? U can’t see all this because of your tribalism
ooh poor Singi, what tibalism? I come from Mporokoso. I voted PF in 2011, disappointed with them and after soul searching and deep reflection, one man stands out, HH. Alaisa, natwipekanye bane. HH provides the best alternative among all seeking high office foe now.
Dr. Mumba at least you could have shared this (apology) to your fellow leaders like Muhabi and others. This simply means that you did not accept the apology.
Exactly. Especially him being the man of God.
@Mbala Mafia-You don’t need 3rd party to communicate HH’s wrongs to other MMD Leaders.HH loudly used the media,he can communicate to the MMD members using the same.Why use Dr Mumba to clean HH up.He started it,so he should sort-it out himself.
Nevers, be thankful that a man of HH’s caliber could even sink so low and extend an apology to you!
@Suntwe-What calibre of HH are you talking about?Why have you UPND Spicies settled for less?HH is not a Leader,but he can do better to operate under somebody,as he operated under the late Mazoka.Like Lusambo said change your HH as Presidential candidate if at all you want to yo mirage state house to materialize
HH is so desperate to go to plot 1 that he is now even mistaking MMD for PF.HH is simply a political failure who could not sustain the 27% popularity of UPND he inherited when the party was in the capable hands of the late Anderson Mazoka. Instead all HH has achieved is to bring down this popularity to 18% and confine UPND to only 1 stronghold(southern province). UPND must realize that it will take more than poaching MMD members for the party to increase its popularity but knowing how stubborn it is it will continue with this strategy but will be shocked by its humiliating defeat in 2016.
shut up bamakaka who is mumba to apologize to iyoo the kwena ukwatumpa. abantu namembya yaisula umushi. mumba come out of the your own dreams .may be every few bisas will vote for you.not genuine Bembas . you and your uncle Santa tatwakamuvotele we are for HH
Learn to debate instead of using tribal analysis but anyway this is UPND’s approach to politics. The reality is UPND’s popularity has been declining from 27% to 18% and this is likely to continue because this party simply has no new members naturally attracted to it. HH himself this year told his supporters including yourself that UPND’s membership is not enough to give him the presidency hence the desperation to poach MMD members. Come 2016 UPND will be in for another humiliating defeat.
No one should be judged by tribe but by character.
Nevers Mumba don’t belabour to explain anything. HH doesn’t only owe MMD a public apology, but he has to pay MMD restitution for bringing the name of the party in disrepute. As per tradition, HH has to pay 25 heads of cattle to MMD and 350 million kwacha, plus 1000 blue chickens. Blue is the MMD party colour.
HH must pay resititution to MMD for image damage. The public apology to MMD should be in all publications including his stinking ZWD. MMD made mistakes during its rule and that is the reason it was mercilessly booted out. But to be discredited by by the likes of HH is not in order.
Oh these people! Dr Mumba knows better! He is the head, of MMD, so he can accept an apology on behalf of his members. Vicariously and ‘all that.’ He has forgiven but now must urge his members to forgive too. He is a pastor and should not be in these type of political games. In the bible GOD said He hates mammon. One cannot serve God at the same time as do service to idols. One of those must win. His taking part in these elections and trying to be president of Zambia is idolic and he needs to get out as things are proving unholy. People harmed, terrible language to each other. In this article he is presented as being a games player, politics is a dirty game especially these elections.
It could be that Pastor Mumba would have been a safe third option for Zambia, but his campaign is so peripatetic and God is the only one who truly understands what mandate he stands on!
Its naivety of the highest order for HH to send any type of Text message to a crook like Pastor Mumba. You can never trust Mumba with anything. HH is putting himself into blackmail if he does careless things
I THINK IN ALL INSTITUTION THEIR IS A LEADER TO COMMUNICATE TO WHO HAPPEN TO REPRESENT THAT INSTITUTION.REMEMBER NO INSTITUTION HAS AN ANIMAL AS HEAD BUT MAN.HH WAS RIT TO COMMUNICATE HIS APOLOGY TO A LEADER WHO TAKES RESPONSABILITY OF THAT BODY TO TAKE DE MASSEGE 2 SE LOWER ORGAN BUT MUMBA JUST KEPT QUITE TO LATE THE FIRE IGNITE.THE CULPRITE HERE IS MUMBA.I COGRATULATE HH BECAUSE MANY LEADERS I KNOW LL NOT DARE TO ASK FOR FOEGIVENESS.REALLY HH IS MATURED ENOUGH TO BE IN PLOT ONE NOT DE ONE WHO IS THEIR HAS NEVER ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS ,HE JUST INSULTES ,CALL OTHERS NAMES AND MOCK OTHERS SICKNEES.MMD IS REPRESENTED BY LEADERS WHO HAPPEN TO BE MUMBA WHO IS SUPPOSE TO TAKE DE INFRO TO HIS JUNIORS BUT HE DECIDES TO ALLOW WHAT THEY KEPT IN THEIR HAERTS FOR MANY YEARS JUST TO BE VOMMITED NOW.
IF MUMBA SAY HE RECEIVED THAT TEXT AS AN INDIVIDUAL LET HIM RESIGN BECAUSE THE ERROR WAS NOT ABOUT MUMBA BUT MMD AS A PARTY AND HH RECOGNISED HIM NOT AS MUMBA BUT AS MMD PRESDO WHO IS THE FINAL MAN IN MMD AND HH SAID IT WAS A SLIP OF A TOUGUE TO METION MMD 4 PF NOT MUMBA FULL STOP.SO MUMBA SHOULD STOP PLAY PREMATURE GAMES OF HIT AND HIDE BESIDES HE CALL HIMSELF A PASTOR BUT WHAT HE IS DOING IS TOTALLY OPPOSITE.THATS WHY LEVEY MWANAWASA MISTAKENLY SOW HIM AS A PASTOR BUT WHEN HE CAME CLOSER HE SOW A CROOK AND CHASED HIM.