PACT members question the conviction of Katele Kalumba

1. Typical of foolish PF leadership thinking. Please understand that the judicialy is independent- The principal of serparation of Powers and has done its work. Those of us who love Kaka we pray that his appeal succeedes. if it fails then tough luck.

2. Were KK and the others charged jointly with Chiluba? Were they charged with the exactly the same offences? Otherwise the statements made by the opposition are rather illogical as you have to examine every case on its own merit.

3. How dare you are so obsessed with dead MMD you guys. It is so clear that Fulwe compu wiz is a threat to these guys. They will soothe him but softly killing him. Political gimmick nonsence. Continue turning a blind eye to the truth and see for your self. The wiz has presidential ambitions and RB can’t let that go unchecked. Yes he will be free to compaign for them he will still be entangled till such a time that he won,t be eble to submitt his presidential nominations. In short he is to work for his ‘freedom’. I pity that man, much as he is trying to help MMD, in the background there is a plan to keep him in the zoo oh poor wizard. Deep in his heart, he is fuming but he has to a mask for the sake of his soul. He is chosing between a frying pan and burning fire.Anyandule!!

4. #1 and #2 come on fellows, learn to think like people who have gone to school. Don’t just hola things

   you don’t understand!!!! Other wise good day…

5. Imwe, Presidential ambitions or not. A thief is a thief and must be removed from society

6. Not only thieves must be removed from society but also thoseho practice witchcraft

7. there you go again fi PF !mwabashani kanshi mwefi bantu imwe?RB initiates developmental projects & roads,ati ni political gimmick….thieves are convicted,ati ni political gimmick…..Mangani fired,ati ni political gimmick….!

8. These pipo have been charged as public servants who used a public institution-OP which manages a public account- ZAMTROP- there by making it illegal for private or individuals to use it as their account yet Chiluba by virtue of his office being a public leader was acquitted by one Jones Chinyama who refused to recognise chiluba as a public servant and so he was aquitted. Zambian judiciary is and has never been a fair place to be as we see poor people slapped with extreme heavy sentences e.g. the boy who stole energizer cells from shoprite in western province was slapped with a 2 or 3 year jail term and we see here some wizard getting a paultry 5 years with 100% chance of bail and another 101% chance of being aquitted by JONES CHINYAMA

9. #7, Let your grand pa initiate such projects when there is no election any where near. then we will call it pure a developmental project otherwise stop the yap!

10. If it is not a political gimmick, then the government needs to register the “London Judgment” and then appeal FTJ Chiluba’s acquital.
    This is how the MMD government can convince the People of Zambia that the jailing of the tandem of thieves is not a political gimmick.

    And by the way, does Katele Kalumba, a convicted criminal, continue as MMD National Secretary?

    Prove us wrong.

11. See how foolish the PF think, actually i thought he would say the sentence was light a good 15 years wold have sent proper shivers to plunders ……the whole group is a group of thieves …..what sacrifical lamba……the chaf is a thief and a witch…..let him pay abit for his public sins.

12. Typical PF and now UPND is becoming like them. If Kalumba was acquitted, they were still going to complain. **==**== Kalumba and his friends are thieves and they deserve to be in jail

13. Ba PF if if commenting childishly is gonna be the older of the day then we will be tempted to revisit our committement to support you you THINK B4 U embarass the masses following you atase!!

14. we live in a crazy world!:)>-[-(

15. I cant believe these shallow PF brains, to hell with your kaponya thinking. Useless chaps.

16. PF awe kwena!! This party is incorrigible!

17. some lady was convicted of recieving/ found in possesion of stolen property from a thief who was acquitted, common sense should prevail

18. Look at this ? is this what you call a government in waiting? could possibly turn out be worse than the failed regime of president Banda. 😮

19. Imwe ba #4 Ba Nsalama why dont you answer the questions I raised instead of insulting me? Oh I forgot, you are a PF supporter and therefore are not able to contribute or debate amicably and and always revert to your automatic position which is to spew insults to anyone intelligent enough not to support your sinking boat of a party which is led by a rotten toothed tribalist philistine who should also have questions to answer since he was also part and parcel of the Chiluba regime. If you claim that Sata did not know what was going on in the Chiluba regime when he was his right-hand man then he must be incredibly stupid or naive or both.

20. WHAT RUBBISH FROM PF AND UPND

21. My take is that within the judiciary, there seems to be a mix of officers – those who are maleable and follow expedience, and those who are upright and uphold justice and the law. The magistrate in Katele’s case did his job honourably and I salute him! The one who dealt with Kafupi’s case trampled on justice and the law – like a beast!

22. Mungoma…point! not all Zambians in the Judiciary are sale outs.

23. Good Morning

    Nambala 4 Nsalama is right, some people need to get their facts right before commenting. This may be an open forum but we need to lay down properly examined arguments, not just emotional sentiments driven by malice. So far, most of the comments I’ve read about this conviction are just as vague as the details surrounding the vedict itself.

    For instance: what exactly transpired with the US$20? And IMO the US security companies Systems Innovation and Wilbain Incorporation should also be persecuted and charged since there are always 2 sides in a corruption case. We need more answers, not questions.

24. #17 has raised a very interesting issue! you jail a possessor while quitting the giver! so its either Regina is equally aquitted or chiluba shud go in the gaol. we are tired of some of these judicial jargon of over turning rulings and also having some judge being told he/she overstepped his/her authority etc. why cant we have a clean up in the courts of law so that they speak with one solid, sincere and just voice

25. Hmmm. Hasn’t the country been crying for convictions of plunderers. The thing is, whether or not this presents a political advantage to RB, Katele has been found guilty by a competent court. Of course, it would have been nice if FTJ had been similarly convicted (I would have been delighted personally)but the courts let him go based on the evidence (or lack thereof) presented by the prosecution. If one commits a crime, it is folly to say that he/she is innocent because another alleged criminal has been acquitted on similar charges.

26. correction in #22: it’s US$20 million ofcourse and not US$20 as I wrote.. sorray.:)>-

27. and you expect such *****s to run a credible govt.

28. #1,2,7 pliz we all know ur MMD bootlickers,this guy is making a lot of sense.Gone are the days when Zambians would be lied to,its just a strategy that the Bwezani administration is using to win over pipos hearts.:-?:-?

29. ala wen som 1 does a gud job tuletasha
    ba pact wen are going 2 realise dat you
    alread dead. ….
    bravo oo o RB

30. it remains to be see whether Katele actually goes in, it’s on appeal. Chi luba was on appeal for many years and finally acquitted so don’t start celebrating too much ma bootlickers

31. If he was acquited, they would have said it’s Bwezani’s interference with the judiciary. He’s convicted, they say it’s a political gimmick. Very imposible group of people to deal with!!! This is how the opposition derail progress by opposition anything and everything.

32. kwena imwe – i am not sure why people have missed the point here. PF are focussing on Chiluba and his dubious acquital. If the govt engineered the FTJ acquital – why have they been silent on this one? It is a valid question. Why engineer one judgement and not all the others – it is not because RB now cares for justice – there is another reason. This is the point PF are making. Ok, perhaps the chap wasn’t very articulate.

33. Conspiracy theorists will never believe anything, even their own existence. That is all I have to say on this nonsense from the PACT

34. Ever since Katele was caught with the magic computer he does not look normal to me.

35. All of you are saying the same thing but in different toungues. Yes KK is a thief and should not even be granted bail.Political gimmick? Depends on how you want(note want)to perceive the whole comical judgement. Releasing some body just because he has returned the loot is wrong. By returning the stolen property one just stregthens the evidence against that one.In my opinion RB wants Luapula very much. He allows KK to go to prison. He then rings Chief Mununga uncle of KK and asks him to assure him of the vote in exchange of KK’s release. KK appeals and allcharges are dropped and continues as MP for Chiengi.This not a James Hardley Chase Thriller it is a reality here in Zambia.But just as FTJ’s meeting flopped this one will not sell. We are alert in Luapula. We are not Salaula for cheap…

36. Elo lwanya
    Indoshi mujele?Kafupi mu kampeni.Double standards thou ndoshi was too mouthy thinking his case was ova.Akalumbafye Katale kateke mujele.

37. Katele’s jailing is welcome, Yes as other people have indicated, a THIEF is a THIEF, a LAZO. So katele is a thief SO IS FTJ a small arms man that dug deep. We give a lot of money toour politicians but they go ahead and abuse us by stealing our wealth.

    Zambia should turn into a political-less, Party-less democracy, were the citizens decide what to be done. maybe but I shudder to think Kabonde as the head of the Police.

38. Mwaanga got it wrong on the manifesto of UPND where he allaged said it is smiller to MMD .The truth is UPND manifesto does not encourage corruption and thieving while MMD corruption and thieving is the centre of their current manifesto anyone who does not agree with that is kicked out ask Mpombo and Magande.

39. People work up ! MMD has destroyed this country , please check Ndola, luanshya ,chingola, pemba ,lubwe,kasaba, katete,kalabo road ,chibuluma township in kalulushi and Tanzania road in livingstone you can cry these places look like we survived from civil war but they were nice places BEFORE MMD Chief Bootlicker ( Criminal) came in power .Let us work up ,learn from our brothers and sisters from mufumbwe come 2011 it is MAPATIZYA FORMULA.I we chi bootlicker ukachimona there in America you will come home on foot.

40. # 9, In Zambia now every minute, day, week, month and year are campaign times. We drink, breath, and eat politics. The conviction of Katele and the comments from PF are typical examples. So what time of the year will you allocate for the development of mother Zambia?

    #33, Agreed these guys do not even know what they want. They say this one moment “we want Katele to punished”, and do a chameleon the very next moment. How can they be trusted with governing power? In the mystical event that they formed government, they will not even trust each other when making national decisions in their “Cabinet”.

41. Suppose this whole thing turns out ot be true contrary to what most people think it will be?on the other hand what of if its just a set up?There are simple characteric that still makes me think these guyz are just play one of those games.Politicians are politicians evven if you mess up in one way or another you can still find a way to clean up your closet to look more of MR Smart Guy.I can assure you this is just a mare pronouncement of a sentence but can someone tell me any of the convicted cabinet ministers who is serving a sentence in jail.Only a fool can believe such kind of cheap tricks can manipulate the genius of zedians.this guy has already done the ground work for RB’s 2011 victory so no doubt he’s by any means stepping on the gates of hell.Only God can Justify without any…

42. awe, the comments being posted by the pact lack logic.

    as 23 has correctly putn it we need to reason before we post our comments

43. SOUTH AFRICA BROADCASTING CORPORATION (SABC) SHOWED A CLIP ABOUT KATELE, ITS QUIET EMBARRASSING. BU LAZO IS NOT WORTH IT BANE. SOON IT WILL BE REGINA THEN EVENTUALLY FTJ.

44. Goodness me!!!!!. Most of the bloggers’ comments boarder on delusional disorder. Its suprising how a simple and straight forward comment can be taken out of context. The irrational beliefs and the high levels of illusional conviction are simply shocking. How can grown men and women fail to understand a statement so easy to grasp. For those of you who missed the point, the gentleman from PF stated and I quote . . . .”though the conviction is welcome,Dr. Kalumba has been used as a sacrificial lamb to pay to for former president Dr.Frederick Chiluba’s sins” . . . . . He “questioned why the former president has gone scot free when his aides have been jailed”. How can big people fail to understand what the gentle was trying to point out from these two statements?

45. If the Zambian Judiary was free, Chiluba and mabenga would be behind bars. So, don’t fool yourselves; Chiluba will never be found guilty for as long as RB is in power, just like Sata has been spared over Merzaf, the Chibesakunda MMD funds saga, the electioneering violence in one Lusaka shanty compound when he was MMD zealot, just like William Banda, etc.

46. Five individuals can get together and commit a crime. When they are charged and presented before the courts, it may be found that there is not enough evidence to convict one or two of the group depending on what role they are alleged to have played in the act. A court is never there at the time a crime is committed – it listens to, and assesses the prosecution’s evidence. The burden is mostly on the prosecution to make their case against each individual. We should refrain from assuming that because one person has been convicted, it follows that another person alleged to have been acting with that perason, should also have been found guilty. Sometimes the prosecution’s case is not convincing enough in relation to some individuals. Admittedly, politics do also occassionally have influence.

47. #42
    nizee- You learn by experience and live by it. Our comments are as aresult of the funny manouveres by MMD.If your father tells you 2 different stories about one subject are you going to trust him the third time? Iam in Zambia like you and I have seen how cases are manuplated. Right here in Kitwe there is an MMD official who is involved big in money laundering and all the DEC have done is to invite him to assist them with investigations. He has not respondended and the case has lost some its momentum

48. On “Mr. Chibwe has since described as unfortunate for a man of Dr. Kalumba’s caliber to be jailed for corruption” it is really sad that Dr Katele Kalumba has been jailed but it is good as a lesson that bootlicking to gain favours from Mr President RB Banda is risky, hence MMD members have to support only what is correct according to the MMD consitution which outsiders have consistently r a p ed.

    As for MMD convicted National Secretary Dr Katele Kalumba, I believe he still has a chance to help Zambia get rid of Mr President RB Banda lead MMD because I believe he is a good chess player. Dr Kalumba can help destroy the MMD even from a jail cell if bail is not granted him. I therefore look forward to his helping Zambia get real progressive leadership in 2011.

    B blest o…

49. 46
    Harold M- Those given suspended sentences were as guilty as Kalumba. The only reason they are out is that they returned the money.To me this just edified the evidence against them, while Kalumba’s guilty can be desputed since he did not directly or indirectly admit any thing.If me as poor man steals and returns maize, I will still go to jail.

50. The degree of the independence of the judiciary varies from country to country. While in some nations it is almost completely compromised, in some, it depends on the justices hearing a case, and the influences of the politics of the day that may bear on some of them. It is not a secret that sometimes judges will weigh the consequences of making a particular decision against the need for stability in the nation. They make a decision blatantly in that regard, or hide behind some acrobatic legal jargon. In my opinion, though, all corruption cases should be dealt with comprehensively through truly independent professional bodies and the culprits severely punished. The consequences of corruption are actually largely underestimated. They lie at the foundation of a lot of a nation’s misery.

51. Suppose the appeal succeeds and they are freed, wha will PF and UPND say?

    Let’s seek to entrench a fair and independed judiciary. It’ll be good for all of us. No good to politcize everything they do.

52. people should respect the judiciary, only with real facts can one truly criticise, becoz if we don’t respect their independence, can we then in the long run blame them if they come to believe even if they made the right judgement they would not be applauded – give praise where it is due, by doing so, you empower & embolden them, for theirs is a difficult job!!

53. I can’t understand what PF guys are compaining about concerning the conviction of KK. I thought ‘The Cobra’ had promised to release all these crooks once elected into State House. Infact we should praise the MMD guys for at least making those guys nunsha the inside of a prison. PF promised to unilaterally release them and immediately abolish the Task force on corruption. That’s why I have always insisted that real change can only happen if we got rid of this breed of perpetual politicians such as MC, RB, VJ, Sikota Wina, and the like. Zambians what’s wrong with our memories kanshi????????

54. ba PACT be serious….if this is the kind of politics you have started of aimlessly opposing everthing that happens then you are lossing the plot. What I expected from you is to welcome the judgement and push for more….Chiluba’s appeal and London judgement.

    Waiting for a startement from ADD and ULP!

55. Reading through the lastest Auditor General’s report for 2008 it would appear everything has brokendown and it would take a real revolution for this country to move forward.The imprest mode of doing business in Zambia has killed us. If what has been written about Hon.G.Mpombo is true, then we are in trouble as a country!

56. Statements like this have been totally ignored here: “Mr. Chanda questioned why the former president Chiluba has gone scot free when his aides have been jailed.”

    I am not saying the Pact has it all together completely, but we miss the point by not debating the “why” of this report. Could be because it’s Friday and some of us are already in “sleep” mode.

    #50, love you comment!

57. Wonders will never end in PF, members have one thing in common wild comments with no substance in it.At times learn to give credit were it is due.Why do you always want to exhibit ignorance on political,social,economic,name it.Iam now trying to understanding,shallow minds speak the louds to to be acknowledged in society.

58. Zambia has never seen looting on a scale as will be witnessed if the opposition take over. These guys are so manee 1st then 2nd power hungry. You will see real stealing, i have been to their meetings, they mostly discuss how they will make manee. Pleas help Zambia

59. bootlicker you are next, 10 years for you though

60. This is simply the maintenance of the status quo…hegemony in other words! Whether strategically/timely done is not the issue. The fact of the matter is that Katele et al., will never see the insides of a jail cell. The scandal involving these n-m nuts includes the sum of $20million of public funds…this is nothing compared to a car thief or somebody caught with a few grams of weed! Current evidence in relation to the Zed judicial system shows that if you still a car, pick pocket or get involved in something small time, you will get a lengthy prison time with hard labour. Sill $500m plus…no problem…as seen!

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