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maga.jpgThe Lusaka High Court on Monday cleared Finance Minister Ng’andu Magande of corruption charges levelled against him by two losing candidates in last year’s parliamentary elections.

Magande was facing 62 charges of graft which Priscilla Kamanga of the chief opposition Patriotic Front (PF) party and Cosmos Moono of the United Party for National Development (UPND) brought before the court in Zambia’s most contentious and highly publicised parliamentary petition.

Economic analysts had feared a serious economic management backlash if Magande had lost the case.

He is credited with the fiscal discipline which has seen a turnaround in Zambia’s economic performance, with GDP growth averaging 5 percent in the last five years in Zambia, where mining is the economic lifeblood.

High Court Judge Marvin Mwanamwambwa threw out all 62 allegations that Magande and his election agents bribed voters to win the vote in an opposition stronghold. The court said he was duly elected as a legislator.

“I have found that there was no bribery and corruption as defined by the Electoral Act,” Mwanamwambwa said in his ruling.

He said the few irregularities which had been proven did not warrant the nullification of Magande’s election victory.

“In my view honourable Magande won the election because the opposition (candidates) split the vote among themselves. He did not win because of (allegations of) rampant corruption and bribery,” Mwanamwambwa said.

Magande said Zambia should put the elections behind it and focus on serious challenges.

“We can now forget about the elections and this will help me to focus on making sure we work hard to address the most pressing issues of poverty alleviation and finding improving the economic environment,” he told Reuters after the ruling.

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102 COMMENTS

  1. Something somewhere is wrong with our courts! It was very easy for PF TO LOOSE in CB. Ba Magande namwishiba ifyo mwacita. Eastern power wow to you! Learn to be a man of justice. Ukusuminisha ifya mutitikisha teko. Wekandile we! Be honest with yourself. Shame upon you.

  2. The case has been thrown out with costs with Magande declared dully elected. The bill for UPND’s Captain Mono and PF is now prohibitive. Kindly coordinate your friends and send the currency to help liquidate it if you are true patriots and supporters of Democracy.Could you answer to the question of what can i do for my country instead of what my country can do for me.PF and UPND are in desperate financial needs. Channel the money on Sata and HH’s personal accounts per their donations procedures.

  3. Magande has skills? My foot! Magande does not have a an impressive track record let alone skills. He worked for Lima Bank it collapsed,ZANACO, nothing to write home about. When he went to the regional job, they could not give him the second term, a friend of mine who was working for the same insittitution at one point wondered why he was such a big villager! Before his appointment as a minister, he had a consultancy job with UNDP Zambia, todate he has not submitted the results but he chewed the money. Infact, UNDP were about to take him to court that is when he was appointed as a minister! What kills are you talking about?

  4. it would have been quite a disaster if he lost his seat and ministerial position.To cry foul would be folly as MMD has lost a number of seats due to nullifications.I am hoping the judge is no relation to the Speaker.I am NOT suggesting ANY undue influence but it would have enhanced the apparent impartiality of his ruling.It wouldn’t surprise me if the opposition use the judge being related to the Speaker as a possible reason for their petition loss.(my comment is on the assumption they are related!!)The economic revolution of Zambia would never be complete without the mention of Magandes’ proven competency and obvious contributions.

  5. Indeed what skills are you talking about #5? This guys knows no jack. Ronald Penza was the real deal ..the first guy to deliver a budget surplus with depressed copper prices. Can Magande match that with inflated copper prices. This guys looks smart because we now have a copper boom and the HIPIC FTJ started kicked in when he took over. Talking about ripping where other have sown. He is just at the right place and at the right time. Even a Frog would have done even better than he has. Totally agree with #6

  6. Ba Anonymous(6),pick on other ministers, for your diatribe is greatly misplaced,biased and uninformed. Magande is VERY well respected at home and abroad both as an intellectual and principled person.Nothing you have said in your contribution will change this perception.There are plenty others in cabinet who deserve your attention and more meaningful comment.

  7. Yes, I agree. This guy is overrated. What has he done outside his his current job before being nominated? I think the courts overrated him too, hence the ruling.

  8. Ba Marco(8),i hope the economists among us correct your impressions of the Penza-nomics you obviously were impressed by.

  9. #6, Well,Reuters in the above story appear to share my views. There many economic analysts who believe he has turned around the economic management and put some fiscal descipline never seen before in Zambia. we have to give credit….

  10. #6 Anonimous, I am curious. You seem to be convinced that the story about Magande having had helped the Zambian economy is not true. Give us a brief overview on Zambian economy and how Magande has failed, not his previous job engagements. I would love UPND to respond to your comments.

  11. #4 Do not judge when you have something in your eye. Can you work on your spellings. It is English you wrote not Bemglish

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  13. Since we want to uphold the rule of law and since we believe in our judiciary’s competence and its independence thereof, we welcome the ruling by the Lusaka High Court. Just as we have seen the Courts nullify some elections, upholding of others appear to show some impartiality. Undoubtedly, some people may not of course agree with some rulings but we have to go by the judgment, put it behind us and continue to work together for our Zambia. That is democracy that we have chosen friends. This reminds me of the O.J. Simpson that the courts in the U.S.A. acquitted of murder but many people still treat him as a convict. No, this should not be the case let him enjoy his victory!

  14. All of you read the article in#16 , that is why vendata is busy building a world to watch university in Goa, they are being prudent about their 5% real estate investments.
    You chaps moaning about Magande, the chap capitalised on his good management team, alone he is as ineptitude as anything one would think of.How can he he be telling the world that Chinese investment on the chambishi zone has nylon strings and are not visible? Even Nawakwi who is a social scientist tried her best, all you need when you are a politician rely much on the govt civil servants who are architects of policies, that is how the developed world operate, credit should not go to Magande , he owes it all to MOF personnel.Some of you chap you blog like you have never seen the inside of classroom

  15. #18 your article on #16 is a very good piece for an investment topic. The subject here is The Rule of Law. Anyway, i believe Magande was duly elected judge Mwanamwambwa said it and i believe it. I know most of you PF zealots dont believe the judgement was fair. Sometimes you have to give these guys a benefit of a doubt. I know the stakes where high. But you cant always have it your way like bugger king. For you MMD fanatics you have dodged a big one. For the rest of us who are just Zambian citizens lets focus our energy on what we can do to help our friends back home make those economic gains start going to rural areas and not just in Lusaka.

  16. #19 Yes my friend I read the topic and found it clear for any comment.I always trust our judicial system and cant despute what the findings are but since they have been marginalised and rendered useless by Chuchu everyone has just developed this this loss of trust in them.All I can wish for is total restoration of the great trust our judicial system once enjoyed when Annel Silungwe almost caused a similar stir before fleeing to Namibia.The judge gave reasons for all those 63 fabricated cases but like Mabenga most of these guys are doubting thomases until the final nail is done by Supreme shall their hearts rest.

  17. Mwaice Easy, umukalamba obe Magande apusuka so be in charge naya mukutusha.Send me an article on how ‘The republicans intend to raise funds through some weird fundraiser of a machine gun?’ They have run out of ideas I guess, Obama has put them on their toes,I only pray Obama continues so that people like Born Rich,Tonga bull,Hey,Kalembe,Original Pundit,Paparrazi,Veteran,Patriot,Pragmatist can remain permanent residents even without proper papers.

  18. Magande is not a genius, but he has the skill to manage and supervise the MOF geniuses. Comparing him to Penza is a fallacy, Penza was a crook and greedy bastard(MHSRIP). I hope he is not a crook even in his spiritual being.

  19. If you really follow Zambia’s history well. I think you will agree with me that our judicial system more especially the judges have come a long way. In kaunda’s era there were no court petitions because the judiciary was a mere rubber stamp. thats why Judge Musumali caused a stire when he sentenced kambarage to death. But Silungwe ofcourse let him walk. I a gree there are still challenges in the walk to judicial independence. But looking at the fact that our democracy is only 16 years.. we have come a long way. There is always going to be contravesy whenever judgements are being handed down on high profile cases. Even in USA Bush V Gore is still being talked about today. But as a people we have to learn to accept some of these judgements and move on. If this judgement was handed down by judge smith, well that is a different story. But when judgement is passed in the Zambian courts by Zambian Judges we should respect the judgement. Lets have some faith in our own system.

  20. Anonymous (6),
    It is worrying to see the persistence of your poltergeist, malicious spirit shamelessly propagating lies in public domains. Those lies are from your Subliminal Perception – perceiving without conscious awareness of others who have done much. Seeing the rebuke, you quickly copy and past another off topic article. Think serious; you are malicious without a thread of truth on Hon.Magande.
    Conventionally I don’t engage characters spotted to be Doppelganger- Anonymous peddlers of lies from their dreadful malicious Spirit resembling someone still living. But in your case I have seen the need to add the rebuke spread. Like Hon.Magande, my first tertiary school Degree is in Economics. Thus, I appreciate what it takes for him to Graduate with honors in Applied Economics.
    Like any other rigorous professional disciplines, surely Magande a senior economist has professional skills and proven brain power with a strong Resume sellable across the board. That said, professionals with objective personality and equal achievements will find you hideously malicious, cheap and invidious in your tirade herein. For many years under different Finance Ministers including the late Gibson Chigaga one of Zambia’s Finance professional sages.
    Magande served this Country well as National Treasury Director of Budgets at MoF. At the same ministry Magande served for years as Permanent Secretary in his capacity as a technocrat with outstanding economics studies profile before he went to UNDP and Lima Bank Zambia. Throughout his professional career Magande has done some phenomenal consultancy works that until his entry into active politics, he was being overwhelmed with consultancy contracts to sign up.
    Operationally his strict fiscal discipline and econometrics have turned our economy around on a growth dimension. Inflation held at 32% in 2000 is now on a 1 digit inflexion point steadily on the decline. On aggregate the Zambian economy is on what I would call a steady stay ideal for businesses. Remember that previously, the kwacha lost its value against the dollar beyond acceptable intrinsic value on the market. Not mentioning the waste 80s economic abyss or the haphazard Penzanomics on privatization void of smart safe guards, in the mid- to late 2001 Emmanuel Kasonde tenure, Zambia’s fiscal management was still volatile until Magande came in and steadily fostered his more fiscal conservative measures.
    With his strict Magandenomics, from the 2001 year-end inflation when it was below 20%, its best result in decades, starting last Quarter of 2002 inflation was under arrest way into a down spiral. Today, we can attest the consistent surplus and balance-of-payment support giving us dependable resources for capital investment bearing in mind our previous quagmire when thieves reigned.
    Not saying that what is at hand is the best or expected optimal performance in line with our respective expectancy theories. But earnestly, there have been some positive macroeconomic signs, rooted in reforms started in the early 90s but fiscally implemented with strict disciple under Magande.
    Today Zambia’s floating exchange rate and open capital markets have provided useful discipline on the government, while at the same time allowing continued diversification of Zambia’s main stay sectors such as mining. There are results in the export sector, exponential growth in the tourist industry previously below 200,000 visits to the present 660,000 with a 1,000,000 visits vision under heavy support.
    Also there are procurement of inputs for growing businesses and farming support incentives. Some parts of the Copper Belt, NW, Southern and potentially the Luapula have experienced a significant revival as spin-off effects from the massive capital reinvestment are experienced. There is no magic bullet to our predicament but discipline, consistency with our vision and collective efforts at driving economic change in a realistic way.

  21. Good judgement and hope Magande can now concentrate on creating a tax policy that would encourage investors like us who are involved in heavyduty equipment and directly impact the manufacturing industry.He`s yanking alot of tax on such imports and this is becoming too prohibitive to invest in Zambia by indegenous Zambians.Why can`t he just give us a tax break,coz he`s going to recover any lost revenue when we boost the manufacturing sector.Already,he should realise that we`re creating employment and as a result broadening the tax bess and not forgeting the corperate tax we would be paying.

  22. Shapi (25),
    Go for it and rock your vision into tangible prosperity. There are many incentives at hand that the ingenious are cashing in millions. Zambia will only be developed by Zambians. Too much of unregulated rhetoric will not do. Man shall not live on bread alone. Build your prosperity in the days of your youth. A wise person spins rhetoric and spares his brains for business opportunities. He is cashing and building steady investment portfolios.

  23. My post below will be strange but timely to some. From conviction I write;

    HEARING FROM GOD

    “For the revelation awaits an appointed time.” Habakkuk 2:3 NIV
    When God speaks to you it’s not always wise to rush out and tell people yet to be soaked in his touch or have never walked the ways of victory. Actually, it can hurt you! When God gives you a word of direction it’s often followed by a season of preparation. Who wouldn’t want to talk about the amazing experience Paul had with God on the Damascus Road? And there would be a ‘right time’ for doing that – but not yet.
    Don’t go till God gives you the green light. Why? (a) Because God may need time to prepare the hearts of those He is sending you to or blessing you with. (b) You need time, maturing and equipping, so that the word you’ve received can take root and be fulfilled in the way God wants. Paul writes, “Immediately after my calling – without consulting anyone around me and without going up to Jerusalem to confer with those who were apostles long before I was – I got away to Arabia…it was three years before I went up to Jerusalem to compare stories with Peter…Then I began my ministry” (Gal 1:16-21 TM). Paul had the wisdom to know that people would find his calling unbelievable. So he waited. He allowed God to go ahead of him and arrange the circumstances in his favor. And while he was waiting, he allowed the word he had received to grow in his heart and make changes in his life.
    Then, and only then, did he start doing what he was called to do. Paul didn’t try to convince anybody, he let God do that. And the result? “Their response was to recognize and worship God because of me” (Gal 1:24 TM). So don’t be bothered or act on peer pressure of getting ahead or against God’s plan for your life through malicious behavior. Be sensitive to His timing! God has it all for you coming. Life and death are in our tongues. What God has blessed no malicious tongue or heart will curse it. Let you answer be Yes or No always. Endeavor to align your motives right and avoid popularity ambitions at the expense of trapping yourself. Life has too many vigilant men to cover document your failures and susceptibilities in future role. Unlike God teaching the 70*70 rule, before man’s files these can never be deleted unless compelling evidence of a radical change is validated in layers.
    By his Grace

  24. AND THEN THERE WAS X, ENTER WITH A BUNG AND EXIT WITH A WHIMPER,WATCH YOUR WORDS.FREEDOM IS USELESS WITHOUT SAFETY, AND SAFETY IS USELESS WITHOUT FOOD.PUT THINGS IN ORDER AND YOU LIVE LONGER, NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU LIVE YOU DIE CONSEQUENTLY. WHO WANTS TO DIE IS NO ONE,THE RICH STRIVE TO BUY LIFE BUT ONLY IN VAIN, BLESSED ARE THE POOR WHO TURN TO HIM, THEIR POVERTY HAS BEEN PERPETRATED BY GREEDY POLITICIANS AND EVIL MINDED RICH. A NEW DAY WILL RISE AND ROSES WILL GROW IN THE GARDEN OF A PEASANT. RUGS WILL BE RICHES ONLY WHEN THEY WILL BE CONVERTED.WORK MUST EVERYONE DO,GREENS SEEM TO BE FOR THE POOR WHILE THEY EAT MEAT AND SUFFER FROM HEART ATTACKS.KALEMBULA, IMBEBA NE NSHOKONONO NA BONDWE ARE THE DELICACIES FOR THE MASSES WHO OWN THE WEALTH OF THE COUNTRY ZAMBIA.

  25. NOT EVERYTHING THAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN, SOME ROCKETS GO TO SPACE AND CONTINUE GOING AND WILL NEVER COME DOWN,JUST LIKE ME.ONCE A PRESIDENT…ALWAYS RICH???????????health mudala!!!!TILIKI

  26. I WON WITHOUT BRIBERY – MAGANDE

    FINANCE minister Ng’an-du Magande yesterday boasted that he won the Chilanga seat without bribery or corruption. Addressing jubilant MMD cadres after Lusaka High Court judge Marvin Mwanamwambwa dismissed the petition of UDA’s Capt Moono and Patriotic Front’s Priscilla Kamanga against him, Magande – who could not hide his joy at the judgment – said as the High Court had stated, he won the elections without cheating anybody. “Let me take this opportunity to thank all of you who made time to come up to the High Court to hear the judgment on the petition raised on your decision that you made on 28th September. We have come out of the High Court, one of the highest legal institutions in the land, and it has been declared that your decision, your action on the 28th of September was indeed without bribery, without corruption and that you chose me to be your member of parliament,” he said. Magande assured the cadres that he would continue doing the job that President Mwanawasa gave him.“I promised to help you once you elected me. I want to assure you that even while the High Court case was going on, I have been in the constituency working. So now that this is over, I want to go back to the job that President Mwanawasa gave me. My job is to make sure that I bring development to Zambia. All that I want to ask of all MMD members is that we must now work hard so that even those who wasted our time coming to the High Court and wanted us to be their enemies, we show them that they need us and we can look after them,” he said. Magande said he intended to ask President Mwanawasa to start touring and seeing the projects in the various parts of the country where money had been released.“I want you to work with me and work with President Mwanawasa so that the next four years we bring development,” he said. Judge Mwanamwambwa ordered the petitioners to pay costs of the proceedings that would be taxed in default of agreement. Judge Mwanamwambwa dismissed all the 62 allegations against Magande and said too many allegations were pleaded. He also dismissed allegations that there were excess ballot papers not accounted for and that there were excess ballot papers. “On a proper consideration of the law and evidence, not all that was pleaded and said ought to have been pleaded. Some of the allegations that were pleaded were not petitionable grounds under the law,” he said. Judge Mwanamwambwa said some of the allegations made the election petition unnecessarily voluminous.

  27. My job is to make sure that I bring development to Zambia. All that I want to ask of all MMD members is that we must now work hard so that even those who wasted our time coming to the High Court and wanted us to be their enemies, we show them that they need us and we can look after them,” he said Magande.

  28. Magande said he intended to ask President Mwanawasa to start touring and seeing the projects in the various parts of the country where money had been released.“I want you to work with me and work with President Mwanawasa so that the next four years we bring development,” he said.

  29. Magande assured the cadres that he would continue doing the job that President Mwanawasa gave him.“I promised to help you once you elected me. I want to assure you that even while the High Court case was going on, I have been in the constituency working. So now that this is over, I want to go back to the job that President Mwanawasa gave me.

  30. Judge Mwanamwambwa ordered the petitioners to pay costs of the proceedings that would be taxed in default of agreement. Judge Mwanamwambwa dismissed all the 62 allegations against Magande and said too many allegations were pleaded.

  31. He also dismissed allegations that there were excess ballot papers not accounted for and that there were excess ballot papers. “On a proper consideration of the law and evidence, not all that was pleaded and said ought to have been pleaded. Some of the allegations that were pleaded were not petitionable grounds under the law,” he said. Judge Mwanamwambwa said some of the allegations made the election petition unnecessarily voluminous.

  32. Well I envy your contributions gentmen though there is always one point which we always fail to accept in ourlives that is we are all unique in our rights and principles that govern us.We all contribute in different ways towards one another in harmony and in sorrow.The diffence is how we perceive ourselves as well as others.We are all interlligent beyond doubts. Hon Mangande, late Penza, Emmanuel Kasonde and Nawakwi did their best and we envy their contributions.Without dedicated men and women at MOF all the best things we are seeing wouldn’t have been possible to acheive.All the flowers of the tommorows are in the seeds of today. Gentmen count yourselves as being blessed with all the potentials and abilities to make a change where have you are because you are the future of zed and zed needs you.In many cases I have been too critical of some of our leaders LPM and Some contributors like Pragmatist, Paparazi have called me names in their rights.However, where credit is due I will.

  33. Mbozi (36),
    Take it; personally I hold no umbrage against you or any pundit from the flow of debates hereon. I presume we are all passionate and mean well in our own ways for mother Zambia and nothing personal. Of course diversity has no shortage of the mentally challenged folks ever flagging up their psychological issues yet right in their own way with belief that they are mentally complete.

    Strongly I believe in a cross-cutting diversity be it in public affairs discourse. That explains that I will neither downplay the role of diversity or inhibit logic of anyone in business or the democratic process. At a personal level, What I detest and instantly cut ties with is a lying or malicious spirit. So on your platform join some of us in moral driven advocacy holding your grounds during public discourse with knowledge, wisdom and tolerance for the good of a better Zambia. Development is a process of continuous improvements by a country’s own consecutive Generations of patriots.

  34. CATHOLICS NEED STRONG GOVT- ARCHBISHOP MPUNDU

    ZAMBIA Episcopal Conference (ZEC) president, Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu says the Catholic Church needs a strong Government for it to smoothly carry out its denominational endeavours.Archbishop Mpundu of Lusaka said the Catholic community cherished a strong Government like that of President Mwanawasa whose vision was oriented on going forward.He was speaking in Solwezi on Sunday at the ordination and installation ceremony of the Reverend Dr Alick Banda as Bishop of Solwezi at St. Daniel Cathedral.”There is nothing that Government can fear from us since we are non-partisan and seek no political power,” he said.He said Catholics believed the healthier way to solidify dialogue at times was to be frank by agreeing to disagree.Archbishop Mpundu said the church did not have any provision to allow its members to vote for specific political leaders.”We protect the polarity of the political opinion in the church,” he said.He said a situation manifested by a weak government would spill over the malaise into the spiritual coordination of the church.”When we criticise the Government, we just want the best to come out of its leadership, and we surely acknowledge positively where good things are done,” he said.He advised Government to work with priests as partners in the crusade against corruption as their fight had a direct audience in front of the pulpit.He also complained that the media was not doing a good job to bring Government and the Church together.He advised President Mwanawasa to be flexible and listen to the views of the Zambian citizens on the constitution-making process.”The President is our father and we have he right to talk to him accordingly about the constitution,” he said.”The voice of the people is the voice of God.So please bring as many representations on board by including the representatives of the people in the Zambia Centre for Inter-party Dialogue instead of bringing them in the final stage of the process.”And Bishop Banda said the diocese was ready to work with investors to develop the country.

  35. BOZ FORECASTS BRIGHT ECONOMIC OUTLOOK

    THE Bank of Zambia (BoZ) has forecast a bright economic outlook for the third quarter of 2007, which will be buoyed by increased food reserves, high copper export revenue and a stable exchange rate.But high global crude oil prices and the effects of lower money supply growth in the past six months would exert inflationary pressures for the next three months or beyond.Governor of the central bank, Caleb Fundanga said this at the bank’s second quarter media briefing in Lusaka yesterday.“In the ensuing quarter, inflationary pressures are expected to ease on the basis of the build-up in strategic food reserves and improved supply of food items from the 2006/7 agricultural season, particularly maize following the commencement of the marketing season,” Dr Fundanga said.He attributed the relative stability of the Kwacha against other convertible currencies to the increase in foreign exchange earnings arising from high copper prices on the international market.Apart from the price of oil and delayed lower money supply growth, the ban on livestock movement resulting in high price of beef would contribute to the rise in inflation.He also said domestic credits declined in the second quarter, mainly because of reduced Government borrowing. Domestic credits stood at K5.99 trillion in June compared to K6.49 trillion in March 2007.Preliminary data indicate that domestic credits including foreign currency loans declined by 7.7 percent at the end of June 2007compared to 2.1 percent increase in March 2007.The agricultural sector continued to dominate the market with a 23.4 percent share followed by personal loans at 16.8 percent and trade sector with 13.8 percent.On the status of the Balance of Payments (BoP), he said the country recorded a sharp increase in the second quarter compared to the previous quarter amounting to US$182.1 million.The overall BoP surplus rose to US$106.8 million in the second quarter from a US$70.4 million in the first quarter due favourable performance in current accounts.During the same period, the current account deficit reduced to minus US$33.6 million from minus US$285.8 million because of increase in export earnings.And non-traditional exports (NTEs) continued to perform well with significant increase in gemstone exports and copper production rose to 117,124 metric tonnes in the second quarter from 111, 977 metric in the first quarter.But the closure of the Kasumbalesa border by the Democratic Republic of Congo and floodwaters at some mines adversely affected copper production.

  36. #21 mudaala Kuku, i was watch a documentary on BBC World regarding Tony Blair’s life in retirement. Guess what? The ‘experts’ in the UK where speculating that Tony Blair would settle in(or make more trips to” the States because “that is where the money is”!!

  37. Attention Zambian Supreme Court Registra. Inform CJ Earnest Sakala about his comrade in DC. Timely send a msg of good will and Godspeed.They are both devoted Catholics and CJs.

    CHIEF JUSTICE TUMBLES AFTER SEIZURE
    • Story Highlights
    • NEW: Supreme Court Chief Justice John Robert suffers seizure
    • NEW: Roberts has “fully recovered from the incident,” Supreme Court says
    • Roberts, 52, was at summer home in Maine
    • Roberts hospitalized as a precaution, court spokeswoman says
    WASHINGTON — Chief Justice John Roberts suffered a seizure Monday, causing him to fall while at his summer home off the coast of Maine, the Supreme Court said.Roberts has “fully recovered from the incident,” and a neurological evaluation “revealed no cause for concern,” the Supreme Court said in a statement.Doctors called the incident a “benign idiopathic seizure,” similar to one suffered by the chief justice in 1993, the court statement said. An idiopathic seizure is one with no identifiable physiological cause.A source close to the chief justice told CNN that Roberts fell five to 10 feet after the seizure.Roberts, 52, was conscious after the fall, which caused only minor scrapes, the Supreme Court said.The chief justice was taken by ambulance to a nearby hospital in Rockport, where he is expected to stay overnight, officials said.A hospital spokesman would not discuss the case, citing privacy concerns.Sources close to the chief justice said Roberts suffered an unexplained seizure in 1993, soon after his first nomination to the D.C. circuit stalled in the Senate.Friends blamed the seizure on stress from the confirmation fight, and Roberts limited certain activities such as driving after it happened. But after a few weeks, the problem went away, the sources said.Roberts had not suffered any recurrence since the seizure more than 14 years ago, the sources said.Members of the Senate Judiciary Committee were informed about the earlier seizure when they were considering Roberts’ nomination to be chief justice in 2005, but they did not think it was significant enough to bring up during his confirmation hearings, said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pennsylvania, who chaired the panel at the time.”We knew but we didn’t draw a heavy breath on it,” Specter said Monday.President Bush was notified about Monday’s incident during an Oval Office meeting, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.Roberts recently spent two weeks in Europe, where he taught a law course in Vienna, Austria, and attended a judicial conference in Paris, France, court sources said. Roberts was at the Supreme Court late last week before traveling to Maine.The chief justice bought his vacation home in June 2006. It is one of 20 to 30 homes on the island, according to a town official in St. George.Roberts was appointed by Bush and has served as chief justice since September 2005. He is the youngest of the court’s nine justices.Roberts served on the influential federal appellate court for the District of Columbia before being nominated to the Supreme Court after the death of Chief Justice William Rehnquist.The Supreme Court ended its session in June and won’t reconvene until October.Roberts and other federal judges, who have lifetime tenure, are not required to divulge information about their health or medical conditions.

  38. #22HK Niwe SHETANI MUSHIBILA INSALA, how do shower insults to a person who cant answer back. What Penza contributed to country can never be erase by u, whether in ur present life time or on ur dead life. Ci HK u are the one who is crooked and greedy bastard. Go and throw ur self in hell ngoleshatama akanwa ngabululu ubo Magande.

  39. As much as HK’s tone came out hateful, Penza had no superior credentials than his colleagues. He failed the African development Bank and here at home he failed privatization reforms. All he did were implementation of haphazard economic sabotage programs that lacked the barest economic safe guards for Zambians. We are not the first ones to reform our economy. Had Penza been a genius and responsible minister in the face of all the international Good will, Zambia could have turned on a tangible path of prosperity. Today consecutive regimes have no where to start from because the foundation was all destroyed. Magande has placed this country on the path to gradual but quantitative recovery. Future regimes will have a perfect economic machine engaged for an accelerated growth.

  40. Fellow Contributors,PLEASE NOTE: The Pundit(41) and The Original Pundit are different people.My learned colleagues who use IP address identification may attest to this.You will also note that i desist from the un-original “copy and paste” technique of introducing topics.

  41. AM & Truly Zambian, telling you the trueth does not make me a tribalist or shetani. I dont credit Magande with being a genius your comparison point, but I credit him for enganging ethics and good management of his valuable resources(Human Resources) and results are there to show. Our economy has never shown such hope and as bad as it is we now know that our money is much safer. The election in Chilanga were marred with corruption and thugery and condemned Magande and the MMD and all the other parties by puting undue stress on our poor citizens.

  42. #45 Cool men, we have notice u are two different pipo, u’re The Original Pundit and ur Colleague is just The Pundit.

  43. #46 HK, the part that made u SHETANI or TRIBALIST is where u insulted Penza as a crook and greedy bastard – is there any truth in those insults? Women Cadres undressing for Magande outside the Lusaka High Court is the truth, my friend.

  44. AM, you are a mentally retarded crip who sees nothing wrong in being a crook. If you have a problem with Magande’s tribe and want to group me with him, Go suck your mama as tribalism is not my game..Only retards like you always find excuses to escape the truth and quick to label those who dont share your crooked ways.

  45. Am, what more truth do you want me to justify on character of our departed FM. I stand by my word. The word greedy actually could have caused his early demise and up to now, as a humble citizen would want those who caused his death to be brought to book and explain why they denied our country of obtaining Justice on his conduct when in govt.

  46. Ka AM, See you when I come back tomorrow. I should find you that you have turned remedial lessons on How to avoid Tribalims, nepotism does not help our nation, introduction to love you country, Thinking outside your skin clour or those hyena noises called langauges.

  47. # 52 HK

    We dont use abusive language on this blog. Mind you this is not a fora to exercise your champ musele. Try to refrain those manners and respect your fellow bloggers. You can agree to disagree but dont shower insults. I therefore urge you to appologise to kuli ba AM within 24 hrs that is if you are normal and fit to be a human being not shetani wamupamba. Read RUFQUA to be a good citizen like the way Hey is trying to become.

  48. #52 Ci HK, kanshi ulichipuba, I challenge u to read all my contributions u fool – they dont sound tribalists like yours. u stinking fool go and wash away ur body odour or better still get ur yourself a cheap body mist and come back tomorrow here a better citizen. Free advice for u ci HK: Dont kill yourself with insults still in your stinking mouth my friend zed still needs u, we mpombowe.

  49. #52 Ba Jose welcome back. Dr. HK is also back and with his usual style of gustigating others. I will tell you one should story. Among the Apes there was some differences in opinions. The Monkey said no you are hypocrtics, tribalist, Netopist. The Gulillar was anonyed and said we shall worked and see that your offsprings die out of hunger. Meanwhile the Kalulu the Haare as its known in Jelita and Mulenga was watching and said no problems I will teach you how to dance and your worries will be over. The Apes agreed to this ideas and they started going for lessons. Meanwhile the Haare was busy mine precious stones and selling them to his friends. By the time they realised the lies of it was too late they were already old and weak. Gentlemen learn something from the story. Pleasure your brains and use them properly

  50. I hope the courts now are starting getting credibility to what they should be. Those who waste taxes on court procedings should bare the burden. Let them pay the costs and best in instalments for the rest of their lives.

  51. Ba Easy tell me bushe ici HK ci dr chakwisa? limbi icilya chakwata akatemba ku Soweta market apo malemba at Hakaichile Kalikeka (HK), chibepa abanakashi nili napalibe kantu.

  52. Kuku na AM

    Nalapula zima Kabwe pa 23:47 hrs. We are making a movies “SHELI” by Stephen A. Mpashi and I will be acting as Sheli’s uncle. Kuku na AM,we are expecting Michael Moore to be here in Zambia on 15/08/07 over the same movie and he will do also some “documa” on Gabon disaster. Meanwhile expect the first script of the movie to be shown to the public on 31/12/07. Kuku na AM, we are looking for guys who can translate the following books:
    1. bamusha ulweko
    2. kalulu anoka
    We want to put these books as movies for children like Dr HK, Hey, Citizen.

    Kuku my e-mail

    [email protected] (NB* there is _ between ba and joze)

  53. #57 AM this Dr. claims to an expert in his field of opening other pipos stomachs and rushing them to Leopards Hills. I have never seen such a person who is always so stane and adamant with. He has never thought of life to be positive.

  54. Ba Dr HK mwayasana naimwe. Bushe kutupa nangula bushilu or tupopo natumwimina uto muponya amofumo as a specialist from Bulgaria? Grow up ba Dr HK and show good example kuma chapz (young ones)

  55. Mr. Easy, How dare you accuse HK for sending people to Leopard hills. You did not even have a decency of mentioning Chingwele/Chunga where our poor Zambians usually find themselves burried due to Corruption and incompetence of the govt presided by some people you want to protect behind the veil of tribalism.

  56. Excellent contributions by Pragmatist and Chapi… My only contribution is to request that Magande and friends should start looking very seriously at diverisfying into agriculture. One suggestion is to invest in young and upcoming Zambians, through low interest loans for rural-based farming… For instance the government could allow establishment of yet another agro-based bank, modelled on the now defunct Lima Bank, but private ownership (as outlined below). This could be accompanied by a functional marketing board – STRESS – rural-based. I propose that ownership of these entities be 51% Zambian entrepreneurs; 25% foreign; 15% government and 9% public shares…

  57. The usual suspects run riot in their postings.The topic seems exhausted……Lusaka Times this is a challenge…..give us something to chew on before we die of boredom!!

  58. #61 Ba Jose chacine ici ci HK utupopo lyayipaya twamuchusha mukumulilila mumatwi, nomba kutapafye insale shekasheka. Ba Kuku bushe ama guys bapa Chainama are they still on stike? so that we take ili shulu lyapa Lusaka times. Twimefye icitinta ngombe pantu umuntu umo teti alikwanishe ilishulu lyashupisha.

  59. Bambi KULIBONESHA TA kwati batuntulu, kanshi mumuntu wabafye ifishishi fyeka fyeka. No name or number mention here.

  60. #58 BaJoze one time nalamilishisha ka lamya pa 20 hrs,elo naka email, ifi mulecita fikali efyo ulya Lungwangwa afwile ukulacita not ukucita bore abana bamasukulu na sit like Leo and Jumbo.
    #66 &67 uyu mwaice HK ciposwa ca muntu,pa chainama napo teti bamucite admit pantu kuti acita rape amashilu yanakashi,uyu alefwaikwa ukumufutikila na mabula yangolyolyo nangula umubanga.Lilya ibange apepa mu mufolo lilamuteneka, mulekeni apupwe umwela so apa teshibe noko ali,ciwelewele camwana.
    Nomba naya ku ma order ku border -Kasumbalesa, twalamonana pa 20hrs.

  61. The Goodness with Lusaka Times, they are so many interesting, sour or sweet topics where one can choose from – no need for one to be bore to death.

  62. #68 Ba Kuku mwende ulufyile ingombe tukamonana mailo. Hakaichile Kalikeka (HK) nachiya mukuchapa amashulu yanakwe.

  63. ANONYMOUS (6) VS. PRAGMATIST (24) ON MAGANDE
    There is something to learn from public domain debates here. The level of awareness in some people is just amazing. That is why it is very important to be debaters of enormous data to win credibility in public foras. Look at Anonymous in (6) on Magande and some detailed challenging data from Pragmatist (24). While Anonymous (6) was inconsiderately trying to discredit Magande based on his ignorance, Pragmatist (24) who has detailed facts on Magande’s CV instantly has corrected Anonymous in (6) with comprehensive data. Out of wisdom and humility, Anonymous (6) has swallowed his pride and diplomatically saved his character but not challenging facts. Thumbs up guys! That is the way debates among smart people progress. If you realize your blunder, swallow your pride instead of insults and name calling. We can lean much from the mature and smart engagement between Anonymous (6) and Pragmatist (24). Proud to be a Zambian! We are a people that never kill each other but choose to differ without consequences.

  64. “ONE NAIL IN THE COFFIN” GOOD MOVE

    ZAMBIAN PRESIDENT TELLS MINISTER TO EXEMPT CHURCH FROM PAYING RATES
    Zambian President Levy Mwanawasa Sunday directed Local Government and Housing Minister to exempt the church’s schools and clinics from paying rates in appreciation of the great contribution the church is making in augmenting the government effort of improving the economic welfare of the people. Mwanawasa also told Masebo to favorably consider the church’s request for rate exemption for specific educational youths skills institutions and other social institutions because the church is serving people on behalf of the government. He said in Solwezi, the capital of North-Western province, that without the church’s valuable contribution, the government alone would not have achieved as much as it has done, citing health institutions run by the church. Mwanawasa commended the church for its efforts in fighting and mitigating the effects of HIV/AIDS through home based care and the orphans and vulnerable children programs that have provided love, care and support. The president said without such interventions many children would have dropped out of school, hence urged the church and government to continue working together for the benefit of people of Zambia.

  65. CATHOLICS NEED STRONG GOVT- ARCHBISHOP MPUNDU

    ZAMBIA Episcopal Conference (ZEC) president, Archbishop Telesphore Mpundu says the Catholic Church needs a strong Government for it to smoothly carry out its denominational endeavours.Archbishop Mpundu of Lusaka said the Catholic community cherished a strong Government like that of President Mwanawasa whose vision was oriented on going forward.He was speaking in Solwezi on Sunday at the ordination and installation ceremony of the Reverend Dr Alick Banda as Bishop of Solwezi at St. Daniel Cathedral.”There is nothing that Government can fear from us since we are non-partisan and seek no political power,” he said.He said Catholics believed the healthier way to solidify dialogue at times was to be frank by agreeing to disagree.Archbishop Mpundu said the church did not have any provision to allow its members to vote for specific political leaders.”We protect the polarity of the political opinion in the church,” he said.He said a situation manifested by a weak government would spill over the malaise into the spiritual coordination of the church.”When we criticise the Government, we just want the best to come out of its leadership, and we surely acknowledge positively where good things are done,” he said.He advised Government to work with priests as partners in the crusade against corruption as their fight had a direct audience in front of the pulpit.He also complained that the media was not doing a good job to bring Government and the Church together.He advised President Mwanawasa to be flexible and listen to the views of the Zambian citizens on the constitution-making process.”The President is our father and we have he right to talk to him accordingly about the constitution,” he said.”The voice of the people is the voice of God.So please bring as many representations on board by including the representatives of the people in the Zambia Centre for Inter-party Dialogue instead of bringing them in the final stage of the process.”And Bishop Banda said the diocese was ready to work with investors to develop the country.

  66. • Archbishop Mpundu of Lusaka said the Catholic community cherished a strong Government like that of President Mwanawasa whose vision was oriented on going forward.
    • THE Bank of Zambia (BoZ) has forecast a bright economic outlook for the third quarter of 2007, which will be buoyed by increased food reserves, high copper export revenue and a stable exchange rate.

  67. Guys guys wat happened to summary,do u ever use SMS,coz some of the contributions r just way too long mwee,awe

  68. Kuku called this Mangandalism economitrics. So we have to remind Mangande to channel the money in paying developments which pipo can reinvest to make continuation possible.The court has to been tough on time waster so that we can have responsible´people in offices. Iam glad thát the courts has not only nullified elections for one party which could have been seen to bais. Take the case of Munaile who is independent someone wanted to róbe him of his victory. The guy has a big following from Malole his village even elsewhere he would have done better. He is a true sportsman and a parliamentalian.

  69. Forty Grade 9 pupils who paid for their examinations at Mansa Basic School have been omitted from this year’s examination list. About 300 pupils had registered for the examinations out of which 40 were left out of the examination list from the Examinations Council of Zambia. Some parents of affected pupils and sources at Mansa Basic School confirmed the development to ZANIS in Mansa. Irate parents that stormed ZANIS in Mansa on Friday said earlier efforts through the school administration to forward amendments to the ECZ proved fruitless as the list returned as it had previously been. The parents said over the past two weeks they had protested and sought audience at the District Education Offices (DEBS) to address the anomaly but to no avail. One of the parents, Karen Kalumba, who is a mother of twins at the school, said one of her two children had surprisingly been omitted despite her paying for the examinations on the same date. “How is it that the other child is not enlisted since

  70. I paid the same day and from what I hear there are no refunds or deferment of fees for the other year’s examination because the money will be forfeited” she said. But school sources said submissions of anomalies had been forwarded to the examination authorities together with receipts for use to clarify the issue. The parents complained that a similar situation befell the school although the affected pupils were four and feared that once affected, their children would have to wait for the next year and still pay to sit for the examinations. However, when contacted today over the matter, Luapula Provincial Education Officer, Florence Kanchebele, allayed fears by concerned parents, saying amendments that had been sent to schools were not the final register as they were meant to give room to school heads that had amendments to submit for the final examination sheet list. Ms. Kanchebele said news of unrest among some parents had come as a surprise as the list in question was a provincial

  71. one which is set to address anomalies on entries for examination candidates. She said the issue of examinations registers undergoes three stages as a foolproof benchmark to register all eligible candidates. She called on parents of affected pupils not to worry as authorities were aware and working over the matter as the submissions would be made for the final stage of amendments.

  72. Northwestern Province Permanent Secretary Richard Salivaji has commended the Zambia Army for its efforts in mitigating the recent flood disaster in the province. Mr. Salivaji sounded the commendation when Army Commander, General Isaac Chisuzi and his team, paid a courtesy call on him at his office in Solwezi today. Mr. Salivaji said the Army had responded quickly in the airlifting of relief food to the affected people during the devastating floods, especially in Zambezi west bank. Mr. Salivaji has since appealed to the army to transport the three hundred (300 x 50 kg) bags of relief maize which are marooned in Zambezi district meant for flood victims in the west bank. He said the relief maize could not be transported to the west bank in time because of the inaccessible road network and appealed to the army to use their four wheel drive trucks to deliver the relief food to the affected people whose crops were damaged by torrential rains. Mr. Salivaji also mentioned that the security off

  73. forces in the province intercepted more than seventy (70) herds of cattle which were being smuggled into Angola in Chavuma west bank. And General Chisuzi, who was in the province on his annual inspection of the military barracks thanked the provincial administration for rendering support to the defense forces.

  74. Enough of Magande nomba We, Inshinta yama-panti yafika. Chena Chimaganda chileumfwa bwino..Ba AM, tatwishi inga ninshita ya- Kachelo nomba.. You name is PM now.

    JOZE, ndeyisa nkusange pa Interz. Na tu body mist ntunsage natwena.

  75. #14 walipena mwaiche ukesepo napa darfur(sudan) ba janjaweed arab militia bakakuchiteko discipline

  76. Ok.now that the ruling is out.deliver 2 the zambians and stop the theoretical ecönometrics.2ell us abt the empowerment fund and the special purpose vehicles. All the bucks ar in the line ministries so tell us. And the renegotiations of develöpment agreements.dont manIpulate inflation rates with caleb.deliver 2 the public

  77. When will Mangandalism make us a K200 000 notes. we need them to much our friends under Bob in ZIM. I listen to the History of SADC almost everyday did you known that Mwalimu und David impired the formation of SADC because of the problems Zambia was facing during the struggle of independent in Angola and Nambia. The ideas were predent and good only the war made the them perish. So Mwanawasa should revive the ideas so that Zambia benefit from all parts of the country. Independence freedomway do you which railway network is known like that.

  78. First Republican President, Kenneth Kaunda has commended Former Times of Zambia Feature Writer, Mildred Mpundu for being an example in disclosing her HIV status. Dr Kaunda said as Chairman for the Kenneth Kaunda Foundation, he was gratified that for the first time a journalist has come out in the open to publicly disclose her status. He said coming out in the open takes courage adding that most people have died of AIDs and stated that they died of other diseases. Dr. Kaunda said this when he visited Mildred Mpundu at her Chalala home in Lusaka today. Dr. Kaunda said there was no need to be ashamed of the disease saying what Ms Mpundu has done will go a long way in Zambia and through out Africa as many people will learn from her experience and change their attitude and approach towards people living with the Virus. He urged Ms Mpundu to continue in the fight against HIV/AIDs because there is nothing impossible with God. And Ms Mpundu said she was humbled by the visit from the former

  79. head of state saying she had nothing to hide concerning her HIV status. She urged Journalists to exercise a lot of self control adding that young journalists should avoid getting into unnecessary relationships because they may end up messing up their lives. She expalined that Journalists have very sensitive jobs and should do every thing possible within their power to protect themselves. Ms Mpundu said Journalists should believe in God who is able to give them partners instead of engaging in affairs with married men. And Press Freedom Committee Chairman of the Post Newspapers ,Webster Malido said as Press Liason Committee, they had extended financial support to Ms Mpundu. Mr. Malido said he was aware that the problems Ms Mpundu was going through were insummountable adding that one can only get help when they come out in the open

  80. Interest rates are prices
    The beginning point in any analysis of interest rates is the recognition that they are prices – and as prices the best way to understand them is with the supply and demand models. Important steps in this approach are:
    4.describe the situation graphically
    3.explain the behavior of the players
    2.identify the players (buyers and sellers)
    1.identify the market
    We can as well you the cookbook apporach: The market is Money market(BOZ who are the suppliers I call this Fundangalistic theory approach and demanders of money are individuals and companies and this determines the interest rates which is the price. What is the Market? Money, What is the Interest rates? Prices, who are the team members? Suppliers= Boz, Banks, Other lending Institutions like Kaloba, Demand= Households, Firms, Kachaso drinkers,Thieves. What affect these two sectors? Supply=BOZ polices, Interest rates, Risks. Demand= Income, Wages, Peace Worker earnings, Interest Rates.

  81. Pragmatist, I follow your contributions but in many cases you think you know eveything and others don’t which is not true. You call a lot of contributors names when they critise the govt or Levy. People are free to critise our Govt or any one and that is what freedom of speech is for. Disputing the facts is lack of understanding and tolerance which you are preaching. Truth pains and creates panic and fear for those who can’t accept the facts.Only duffers can question facts for the seek of questioning. I know you are an intelligent person in your own rights. Keep up with your contributions.

  82. Iwe ci HK tawishibe ati ine chita blog fye pa am ico nabela AM. I am not like blogging all night long nge NDOSHI ishibomba night shit only. Goodmorning ci HK, I hope you have wash ur body this morning and got yourself body mist to remove that body odour which u were polluting at Lusaka times yesterday.

  83. Mbozi (97),
    I have rightly figured out who Pragmatist is going by his opinions. For fear of breach of privacy rights and possible legal suits I will only confess, he is a man I have engage with on some contentious topics in other discussion forums for a good span of years. I know of a specific forum where he has a deep hand in ownership and participation. Frankly, he’s a seasoned activist with an amiable persona on issues of agreements but certainly with a focused mindset you may need more effort and facts to curve him. Predominantly his personality is of a loyal combatant for his values. My advice is, instead of you turning into a complaining sissy; consider increasing the layer of your blogging skin if you have to withstand these political machineries too shrewd with some phenomenal propaganda skills to demoralize opponents. That is how they turn power and National leadership into their own dynasty of friends and accomplices in perpetuity. Look at how the MMD machinery is knocking out those they don’t like to join the leadership band wagon. Nevers Mumba is one such who they have systematically turned down his ambitions to line up as their party candidate after Levy. They would allow you to join the party but attach a 3 year period conditional clause to vie for any position in and on the party platform. Those they like, they enlist them silently to beat the 3 year condition. VP Rupia Banda’s membership application I hear was activated in retroactive while Nevers Mumba may be admitted short of the 3 years period maybe in 2009 to make him ineligible. The post should dig deeper on Sikota. He could be having his membership already. We may be just spammed up with another candidate in a short but confusing time.

  84. The clearence of magande is a very big relief to Mr Levy, since magande is the rihgt hand man to Levy, but the fact is that magande lost, the election, our Zambian courts jugdements are influiced by the outsiders, like Smith of London.

  85. “People get the government they don’t deserve” ! So another minority elected leader has won (Magande). Levy should be elated. What is Magande going to say about the collosal mismagement of finances being revealed by the Auditor General? I guess he thinks it has nothing to do with him as Monister (sorry, Minister) of Finance. What a shame.The man must quit.

  86. #96 concerned citizen, you have lost foresight how can you give MOF a blame for what is happening at Ministry of justice, where Billions have not be accounted for meant for contracts? Swallow minded.

  87. I have chanded my ID

    I will be using “Senior nshinya Citizen” ngafyangisamo I will be writing ici South Korean.

    Amen.

  88. point of correction the millions of kwacha spent by contractors was not 4 justice to account.contracts just go there for legal scrutiny then the implemetation is done by the client ministry.there are no modalities in place to stipulate that ministry of justice shd monitor the performance of the contracts.they are grz lawyers remember.the controlling officers at works and supply and finance should answer coz moj is not privy to the contract they just offer legal services

  89. The cost of living is the cost of maintaining a certain standard of living over time this all we must determine when we are talking of Inflation. Are pipo able to buy basic needs and services? A cost-of-living index, such as the Zambia Consumer Price Index cannot measure a price index that conceptually measures the cost of living. Such indexes have 100 as base value in a given year(or period), the base year. Other values of the index are relative to the base year. An index value of 40 indicates that the cost of living is 40% lowe than in the base year. Thus, the index provides no unit-free measure of the cost of living. Instead pipo have to pray to nature and continue hoping the the next day the sun shines.

  90. sophist dont pretend to justify that pragmatist is a better contributor. Your option is sheepish. In my humble option you are two faced and lack integrity. My view on pragmatist remains the same that he has to show the degree of understanding and accepting the facts from false.Unfortunate he cant accept anything to do with Chuchu or MMD.I’m not politically minded and I contribute on this blog with facts and not lies. Secondly how bought those same bras women were wearing at the high court? Shame to Mangandes’ female supporters.

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