The Lusaka City Council (LCC) has maintained that churches contributing to noise pollution in residential areas would face the wrath of the law.
LCC Public Relations Manager Chanda Makanta told ZANIS in an interview that churches adding to noise pollution in residential areas would be slapped with a penalty fee.
Mrs. Makanta said the resolve by the local authority follows mounting complaints from some residents in the city about some churches being a source of noise pollution during worship and noisy overnight prayers.
She pointed out that it is not right to expect the council to ignore such complaints because they involve the church.
Mrs. Makanta said the law applies to all persons, groups or organizations inclusive of the church.
She said it is unfortunate that some churches have since issued statements accusing the local authority of malice against the church.
Mrs. Makanta said statutory instrument number 44 of 2007 under local government chapter 281 of the laws of Zambia states that public gatherings in residential areas, such as church gatherings and parties, playing loud music likely to disturb residents, will attract a penalty fee of at least K450, 000.
She added that the council is further concerned at the increasing number of churches in residential areas that are breaching the Public Order and Nuisance Act.
Mrs. Makanta has since appealed to churches to conduct their prayer sessions in harmony with the laws.
Meanwhile, Mrs. Makanta has refuted allegations by car dealers in the city that the council is giving preferential treatment to foreign investor car dealers who trade from show rooms.
She announced that the council is currently trying to identify a piece of land where the local car dealers can sale their automobiles.
Mrs. Makanta said the local authority would soon call for a meeting with the car dealers to chart the way forward.
She said the council is concerned at the congestion caused in the central business district adding that the council is not against the local car dealers.
Mrs. Makanta stressed that automobiles are supposed to be sold in recognized show rooms in accordance with the stipulations of the law.
Some peoples lives are changed due to worship and become good citizens.Some attended church for other reasons but even so the church is the right place for one to vist for at one time you never know what would happen in somebodies mind.We must be carefull when we talk about issues pertaining to God because everyone who do so starts from the point of possessing life which is a precious gift of God.It is from having life that we have the privillage to see Gods glowry,the earth itself where we attack him from.Amen
I don’t believe they just make noise for fun.There is a purpose
I don’t believe they just make noise for fun.There is a purpose. The best one can do is attend and assess before making a decision
How about noise pollution in Northmed with all those clubs that it has earned the nickname “little las vegas”.
Northmed is a residential area, they must also make nightclubs face the rule of law or make them relocate to the city centre.
Also noise pollution in Kabwata and Mathero.
Why pick on innocent church goers. Not fair
There’s just lots and lots of tuntemba churches mushrooming. Some houses have been turned into churches especially on sundays and other days of the week. What is all this? Is poverty or worship?
its true they are very noisy
Churches must aswell obey the law,its too much please minimise the noise.
Awe its true these gymnastic churches cause a lot of noise for us humble christians who reside near them. Where is it written in the bible that your prayers will only be heard if you all compete by praying on top of your voices at the same time? Its just the devil at work in most of these churches. No humility at all. They should shut up and get serious with the things of the Lord.
#1, we all or most of us go to church and we know something about the commandments. 1 of them says “love thy neighbour…” And not “make noise to thy neighbour…” I totally agree with the council. Churches should respect residential areas if they are worth the salt or is it the scripture. There is no need for shouting when worshiping God. He can hear you even if you are repenting in thought. Church in Zambia has become big business where Caesers (spllng) collect even someones coins for kapenta or cibwabwa. The next day the same caesers are found in very expensive cars and suits. Build more schools colleges,and unis not church. Most churches are con venues.
I wonder why churches flourish so much in poverty stricken african countries. Zambians have even misinterpreted worshiping. They attend church more than they should only to self-deliver themselves to be conned. Wake up Zambians you are being conned. God doesn’t need IMF. Hes got money more than its printed. God wants you to work hard to feed your family and worship him only regularly and not everytime, everyday. Zambia needs to develop. It cant develop when all energy and effort is channelled into establishing “utuntemba” (as someone put it) churches. They are more business opportunities in Z such as farming, and not only church.
The bible says my God is not god of confusion, why should you pray so that pipo c you that you go to church or you can sing? some pipo pray in their houses, some pipo go to church one a week but some of you over do things, mind you over christianity is a sign of mental problem.
God does not support stealling, pastors are living good lives after a poor guy gives offerings the pastor buys a car? and gives a girl friend.
Some of these churches are just fund raising ventures.How does a pastor tell the members not to offer less than 10 pin,thats criminalogy.Chase those pagans away from the residentail areas,who told them that unless you shout thats when the almighty God can hear you.By the way the law should prevail,go ahead with the emplementation thats recommended and splendid.
‘Christians’ please try to imitate your master, he was modest in all his deeds and always felt for those around him. He held prayers but never did he disturb those who did not believe in his Gospel and so did the first century Christians before the Romans contaminated Christianity with all these crazy teachings like Christmas etc. The almighty listens to silent prayers in your heart, and you need to humble yourself sinning self. Remember that you not even worth to get close to his foot stool, Who are you to shout to him when you make your supplications?
Its all shame. People’r poor, yet when they go to church they are told today’s offering is 20 pin. Preachermen scare them GOD IS SEEING U. Say Benze, say Marcopolo and God will give U benze/marcopolo. They give fake testmonies of themselves that they were poor and now God has done wonders in their life yet the benze they drive was bought by money people contribute. Honestry such success should never be attributed to God. Any genius can manupilate people and get money. I pitty them cos U can cheat against other people and not GOD.Its all SHAME, Thats Y they’r noisy just to creat a mirrage of God’s spirit.
I have a friend who is a pastor in botswana, when he visted me pa zed chi nalila we drunk, he picked hookers and he is building big houses but the time come when i visited him across i tell you it was suprising how holy my friend was? so zedians be careful abt those nigerian pastors who comes with fake stories abt satanism they jst want to chop your cush and go, look at winners chapel in livingstone with a nigerian pastor it started from nothing but now its big and the pastor is driving an expensive car, brotherly advice.
The bible clearly says that you should not think he will answer your prayers by the number of times you repeat your prayers. Cleanse your filthy hearts and he’ll listen to your humble prayer. The almighty is not your cousin to be raise your adulterous voices to! Pretenders! Please shut these cone men down and send them to the village if they cant work so that they can till the land. At least we expect noise and all sorts of bad deeds from bars at Northmead because thats what they are about, they dont hide in the ‘holy’ name!
I have a relative who also owns a Kantemba church, boy does he chop these useless girls we meet at night.
#13 thanks,and these holier than thou bb churches are a problem with extremes in their way of worship they are like pagans who go on the streets and start shouting so that people see that they are worshipping, all but vanity and deceit.
In the first place,b4 the council should think of going to the press,they must sit down & realise that the noise pollution coming from mash-rooming churches are greatly contributed by them,they gave plots to these churches in residential areas.
There4,stop condeming the churches but yoselve (councils)4 failing to plan properly,shame upon u b4 openning the mouth & utter anything.
Those from the mosques have put laud speakers for there prayers. They surely make noise for the comfort of others
A word of caution to all our brother and sisters. Some of these tuma self proclaimed pastors are not actually pastors. As someone already mentioned, they are conemen. Some of them are mental patients from on medication from Chainama. And what is all this belief in satanism by our friends from west Africa which is creeping across the continent? All their movies and testimonies are about satanism.
OH! OOH!
So most churches in Zambian are Nigerian? Jesus! Chaps, we have a lot churches in Zambia, already. We don’t need anymore. We need investors such as DANGOTE who will bring $500m and not coming to milk the already milked cow. ZAMBIANS WAKE UP BEFORE THOSE CHURCH OWNERS START DEMANDING YOUR MOTHERS AND SISTERS FOR UMUTULO. THAT IS IF THEY DIDN’T START ALREADY.
Good observation #20.
#19 you have a valid point. These our local government people should check how many plots they have allocated to these thieves. We have so many churches that are hardly full. Do these people realize that they all use one bible which has been misinterpreted for selfish gains I wonder?
God is a God of order and not noisy!
The City Council surprises me, who issued the permits for these churches to start operating or are they illegal, why let these things start and react, the council should be proactive. In good city planning, I have never been to UK, but I am told there is a place called church square where you find churches only. Surely this is one thing the council could used as an example. And instead of just concerntrating on the churches, what are they doing about Break Point a bar built next to a residential area and blairing music the whole night? We know zambia is a christian nation but turning every house into a church, I think that is pushing the envelope
Some of these guys are simply God-bothering hypocrites. That’s why ma overnight prayers nima flop these days.
Hahaha!!!
I THINK the reason LCC cannot be blamed entirely is that some of the churhes were not allocated the plots but have rather converted houses into churches.
On another front LCC needs serious town planning. There seem to be a circus when you look at the so called capital city.It is no good paractising bye laws when the base is not in order. start from the bottom not the top
Just close them down,its too much,all schools are turned into churches on sundays & the noisy is just irritating.
Does n’t your Bible, History Book of the Jews, tell you that your body is the Lord’s temple? why not worship with Him in your body and stop making noise for others! Just tell me, do you shout so much and speak languages, or are the tongues, that even you can not comprehend to get the attention of the heavens? What lunacy!
Interesting topic with many funny comments. Am I wrong to think that it is only the devil who gets disturbed by joyful noises unto the Lord? On the other side, I agree with statement #13: The Lord will equally listen to a silent prayer behind closed doors. All in all, noise has never been a big issue in noise-loving Zambia, let alone Africa as a whole.
LCC should learn to plan and not blame the churches. Bars which make noise all night should be fines. Mosques which use loud speakers for their prayers should also be fined. Mrs. Makanta and her council have failed to clean up the filth which has polluted our streets and now wants to blame churches for pollution. No, there’s no noise pollution
The council has already made the blunder in failing to plan for Lsk. What can be done so that we start having our quite surroundings and reduce on these kiosk churches.
My Aunt lives near a bar in Chaisa I was shocked when I visited her to find that the bar opens at 09.00 hrs with loud music up to 04.00hrs the following day, this has been going on for years, people in the surrounding areas have complained to the Police over the years but nothing has been done, if noise polution is going to be curbed then I say Bravo to LCC, they should not target churches only, can you imagine the damage being done to children in these areas where bars operate without following rules?
A lot of churches have spang up its like anyone can start a church, the council is to blame coz they have been allowing them to worship even if they dont have a place to worship. This should be extended to bars which are in residential areas.
But when will the council swing into action? Just this morning, the mosque in kamwala was doing the usual. Weren’t these church leaders talked to?
Some good contributions. Just how does the LCC propose to enforce this law against noise pollution? And, as some people have pointed out, are the churches a softer target than some of the pubs and night clubs?
Yamachedwa ku chaisa! In Matero, as soon as they see sines of sine sunshine they open their bars.
i am congratulating Chanda Makanta and supporting him/her 100%.
why should these churches be making noise? chongo ni chongo, whether it comes from the shebeen or from the church.
too many zambians are fake christians and they will use any opportunity to step up their ‘faith’ in the media.
Chanda Makanta is real, s/he is advocating for the SAME standard to be maintained in zambia. no one is getting special treatment, we all fall under the jurisdiction of the law. churches included.
we need more people like this Chanda Makanta in zambia.
people lets keep this discussion in context. we are not discussing bars or dirty streets.
the bars will pay their dues also, LCC isn’t exempting them. i can’t support noise from bars, there’s a stupid little hole near my house that plays music until dawn.
as for the mosques, a religious establishment is a religious establishment, church/mosque so they should also be fined. i agree with that.
Brethrens, let us not take the word of God for jokes. i agree with # 3 who says one needs to attend these prayer meeting to acertain wether it is noise or prayer. The God we worship is the God of power. Mind what you say on these religious issues coz you may offend the Rightoues one and have eternal suffering. Am speaking from exprience and am on record saying one of my houses is used for prayers and it has been blessed. A lot of pipo have been delivered right in my house. I thank God fro showing me the way. It is no noise but prayer. I tell you that if prayers are stopped, we will have similar situations as Myammar(Burma) or China. Let the councils including Mrs Mankata be deliverd.
man of god, this is not a religious issue its a legal issue.
if churches continue to make excess noise they will be in breach of the law.
if a company emits a certain amount of toxic emissions in the air, they pay emission tax. if a church or ANY OTHER INSTITUTION emits a certain amount of noise they pay noise tax. simple economics.
churches must adhere to the standards set for everyone else in the economy, they can not have special exemptions and preferential treatment.
all Chanda Makanta is trying to do is ensure that the laws of zambia govern ALL zambians, churches, shops, private citizens, EVERYONE.
I agree with all the above sentimets, The majority of pastors from these tuntemba churches are conmen.
Please close these tuntembas, we need sanity in our residential areas
amen #44, i hear you
#42 Do you have to make noise in order to “deliver” someone or can it done quietely? A church should also be a place of reflection and inner peace, not like a Mashabe ceremony!! No one has said anything about hindering the churches from “delivering” people, just cut out the noisy crap and let others have their peaceful, Yaba!!!!
And pls stop blaming God for what happened in Myammar and China these are natural catastrophies, they can hape anywhere, ask Crazy_Zambian.
Kiki, i see you need deliverance. Be careful in the way you articulate Gods issues. There are special pipo appointed to speak with the Lord and diseminate this information to the general public. Makanta and yourself are not Gods spokesmen but merely instruments of the Devil. You may not know this becoz you are still in the dark. Yes law is law but no justification to demean the Word. Let us praise His Name all the time. I give you only one month….Makanta will be fired. Mark my words. You will be the one to write on this Blog that “Man of God” you were right.
#47, i won’t call you man of god because you are a f*cking donkey.
you don’t know me, you don’t know Makanta so you can’t label me.
it is people like you the scriptures warn about, even christ himself said that the lord is the divine judge NOT YOU. can you understand that?
do you know anything about the law? do you know that citizens, even churches, are required to keep it?
i rebuke everything you said about me, the devil is on your tongue not mine, i never mentioned him. you are out of line and i maintian that you’re a f*cking donkey
Kiki,i conquer with man of God. You dont need to be critical over God’s issues. I bet if you became the president of this country, you wud stop people from praising the lord. Be reasonable and fear the Lord. Man of God has spoken and you cant rebuke him. He knows what he is saying because he can reverse everything you have said and you will languish in misery. Dont be a star. This is just a blog.
Man of God thx for bringing the light. Pray for Kiki.
Ba Kiki! U r so typical of these fall Christians. U start cursing someone without being proved. Please get the sense of what we r saying. The almighty is orderly and wants all things in a manner defeating his holy standards. Don’t you dare blame God for the unforeseen occurances that can befall all, just like we’ve had droughts and floods. God did not do such because he has an appointed time for judgment. Its the Israelites who used to be instantly judged. Even if u had sex with yo 1yr old he wont judge u today. Don’t just scratch the bible on the surface if u call yourself Christian.
what are you talking about reversing things? who gave you authority over that?
so Montana if you and your assh*ole friend up there were driving to ‘deliver’ a lost soul, like mine for instance, would you go through a red light? the traffic laws don’t apply to you?
what is so hard understand here? what is it that you are disputing so intensely?
i will not be prayed for by hypocrites and imbeciles, keep your prayers for yourselves because if you can’t grasp simple legal concepts then you need prayer more than me.
as for you njooka i don’t know what you’re talking about because i blamed god for nothing and i have not mentioned floods or droughts
its so difficult to judge them,what if there shouts is true worship,let God be the judge,the bible also says praise him with a shout,shout for joy
I ment to direct that to the so called man of God! Am on your side man.
thanks njooka, i was a bit worried that no one could see what I was trying to say. thanks man
Except were you case him! Lets reason with his and we’ll help deliver him from his darkness. He has no basis for his rigid views. The fact is plain simple i.e. don’t disturb others with your hallucinations like you would not want to be disturbed by Muslims screaming at five every morning.
Man of ‘god’ can you guess where I’ll be for lunch since you seem to know what the future hold? Don’t threaten people with cheap demonic hallucinations! Try me because I know better than the people you hoodwink off their hard earned income. Get a job and leave the people alone.
#42#47 IS A TYPICAL EXAMPLE OF WHITEMAN’S BRAIN WASHING. SOUNDS LIKE HE IS ONE OF THE BENEFICIARY OF THE SO CALLED PHONY CHURCHS.
amen njooka, im also getting some pretty dark vibes from that clown. thats why i refused to call him man of gog. he sounds creepy and sinister. very dark.
one more point, in the old testement when the people didn’t want to pay tax, what did christ say? he told them “give to cesar what is cesar’s” he told them to respect the law and authorities.
montana and his mate up there don’t want to fall under the jurisdiction of the law. that is UNBIBLICAL
i mean new testiment and i meant god not gog!
It is a common trend in Zed that if you have a keyboard, big amplifier and big loud speakers.. and you can qoute a few biblical verses.. you can have your own church. While the bible commands us to go forth and preach the gospel to all corners – whole neighbourhood in this case, church leaders needs use God given wisdom and some integrity when glorifying GOD. I have seen some churches even putting speakers outsides the church to attract potential worshipers and hoping in the process to out-do or out-speak the ‘rivally’ church. I have also seen two churches at one small primary school. Men and Women of GOD, please guard againist confusion in God’s Kingdom.
Only a satanist can complain about and threaten churches.
I still call you man of ‘god’ not because I succumb to deceitful prophecy, but because I know their are so many ‘gods’ but one true ‘God’ almighty who has a name, a God of order. So it depends which ‘god’ you are man of. Get a job a help the poor and reduce on the noise from your hallucinations, then we’ll leave you alone. Y r you cursing the poor Makanta who is merely a spokes person for the local government. You are so shallow minded!
42 hope you don’t use your house as a BROTHEL from monday to SAT and as a SYNAGOGUE for addiotional income on SUNDAY.
everybody has a plan for the day, work, pray, sleep etc, the bible says everything has its own time, if i want to sleep and somebody shouts in the name of praising god then tomorrow i will fail in plans coz i will be dozing all day round. Dont put pipo in your program just pray silently so that your friend can carry out another tast for national development.
Abdulaziz am glad we are on the same side on this issue. You gaze me a hell lot of pain during the Africa Cup. But its good we can agree on some matters. Back to these noise makers. By the way Abdulaziz its because of you a changed my alias.
Make fun of me. You will reap what you sow. The life you have comes from God and he can take it away from you if he wishes. Only He is the Omnipotent.
I close my case and pliz God hear me out. Forgive them for they do not know what they are doing.
Not just churches pipo.EMASDALE,MATERO,MAKENI,ETC.THOSE MOSLEMS ARE MAKING TOO MUCH NOISE IN HOODS AS WELL WITH THEIR FUNNY NOISES IN THEM TOWERS EARLY MORNING AND EVENING!!!EVERYDAY!!!IN OTHER MIDDLE EAST YOU WONT DARE CRITICIZE THEM LIKE WE DO CHURCHES HERE.MAKANTA DONT DISCRIMINATE TALK ABOUT MOSQUES AND THE THOSE ISLAMIC PSYCHOS!!
“The life you have comes from God and he can take it away from you if he wishes”
there goes that f*cker making threats again. sinister and evil threats at that.
i did not make fun of you at any point, i challenged you.
don’t say ‘forgive them’ say ‘forgive US’ you are one of us, you are not sinless.
man of ‘god’ (whichever) please rest your case because you are bringing shame on that deity you make noise to.
we have one victim above who turned his house into a church, these are the pipo who make some of you to blame the council, they are letting us down, let the churches be allocated in one place so that there is peace and order around.
Going for lunch, kaili I worked for the money and did not threaten people that they’ll be sinning if they don’t give me money like man of ‘god’.
It’s not about the nois. it’s about praising God. Noise abatement can be achieved by refurbishing those churches with sound-proofing materials, period. This simply means that ignorant Makanta Chanda should kindly direct churches to carryout necessary modifications so that noise, as he calls it can be contained or confined in the church.
you really must be in the usa if you think that even an 8th of zambian churches can afford “refurbishing with sound-proofing materials”
im very sad to say that most of the churches in the kombonis don’t even have windows or pews for people to sit on. most of them are acrually class rooms that are used for church on sundays.
before you call that lady ignorant do some research, find out what is fesible and realistic. i can guarantee that sound proofing gadgets are way out of our reach at this time.
you no what guys let us respect one another!!we are not here to call each other names but to find away foward to the problem at hand.
well i think we should respect eachother and try to be conciderate,if the residents feel that the churches are making alot of noise then the churches have to think of a way foward.But the other thing is that when praying to God you can whisper,shout or cry out to him.it all dependes on the kind of relationship you have with your God!!!.so please people lets try to find a solution which is going to be best for both the churches and the residents that are complainig,so we can all be happy and peaseful people that we are.God bless us all.
What about noisy funerals? Are they going to be monitored too? I mean like all night wailing and drumming before and after burial in some places like flats? It also disturbs others that need to sleep and go to work the following day, I mean life goes on. Noise Pollution comes from many areas of our everyday life, are they all going to be targeted?
It would interest me to read reactions to this !!!!!
Muwala i don’t know what LCC is going to do but in order to be fair, they should target everyone/anyone making excess noise at unreasonable times. it won’t be fair if they only target churches, that is discrimination.
then they’ll have to determine what exactly is ‘excess’? and what exactly constitutes an ‘unreasonable’ time?
i don’t know mate but thats what i think
Yahushuah or his disciples never went to church to babble and do somersaults. It’s not like YHWH gave anyone a commandment to do such and if they didn’t consequences are dire. Mattityahu/matthew 6:7 points this out perfectly, the heavenly father does not need to hear someone screaming for prayers to be answered. These church goers are the same hypocrites following laws of men that transgress that are not even in the bible . This is why i will never set foot in a church I already have a personal relationship with YHWH .
# 42, you should not assume that the fact people get “delivered” in your home, then you are blest by God. Mind you many will say in that day “did we not perform many powerful works in your name?” and then he will say to them, “Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness. Jesus made a public display of his prayers, neither did the early christians. Are you disobeying the law of the land which the bible encourages you obey. What lawlessness you people are exhibiting! Won’t the lord then say to you, “Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness?” Food for thought
Jesus made no public display of his prayer!
the word law in hebrew is translated as Torah and nomos in greek so lawlessness is torahlessness. These church goers follow sacraments,sunday going and false appointed feasts. It’s only simple mathematics to figure out who will not be known.
There is no need of theological classes, we just need to establish why these screamers do what they do and if possible suggest a way that would lessen the noise. Am glad the self proclaimed ‘man of god’ is not around. Am sure he was in an Internet cafe!
Soon these “laws” will stop from mourning… Don’t play with God, because “Lesa ni malyotola”.
Jafypacu! Y r u shooting the messanger? Ms. Makanta is just the council spokesperson. Can you argue your point of view without calling the mouthpiece names!
I would like to draw some distinctions in this line of thought.There`s nothing wrong in churches that freely express themslves when they are talking to God because scripture supports such action.Where the Spirit of the Lord is,there`s liberty and the bible encourages us to make a joyful a noise unto the Lord.This though does not give us permission to turn our homes into churches because that`s against the public order act.Neither should shabeens nor clubs be allowed to operate in residential areas.
I support the Councils position to apply the law indescriminately.Any public functions with the potential of causing irregular frequecy in residential areas must not be allowed.
# 73, the truth of the matter is this,the noise that these churches make is very disturbing and shows a lack of love for ones neighbour, who in anycase is entitled to a quiet environment. Of course, they can acquire those sound absorbers, but for as long as they don’t, they will be breaking the law and penalties will be in order.
This is reminsicent of the pharasee’s of the synagogues that would pray in the open to be seen. Using the excuse for joyful noise to bother people . Singing is okay but when evertyone is talking at the same time in their own prayer or break dancing is ridiculous. Somebody needs to write some noise makers lists and proceed to let the cadets disciple those hypocrites
I hope they will also fine the mosques that make noise especially in Kamwala as well as the bars in Kalingalinga (millionairs).
Kiki, i am thru praying for you. You will receive Jesus in two days time thru a very weired way. Sata received Jesus thru his heart attack and loss of his son.
Dear: ‘me’ ‘Chapi’ ‘njooka’ and ‘Uk grad’
i really respect what you guys have said. you read the article well and understood what it was saying.
none of us are attacking the church are we? all we’re syaing is that the laws of zambia are the laws of zambia and they must be enforeced without exemption.
no. 11 you need God in your life , your understanding about faith in God is quite shallow so to speak , this is not to demean you but it is a fact.
#90 The problem with christian hypocrites is that they have the attitude of anyone or criticizes them is from the devil.They are very unloving and don’t even reflect the humility of the son of man or his followers. They are obsessed with assuming the mental foetal position and point fingers and curse anyone that dares speaks against them. They have this idea in their head what whatever they do despite being unscriptural comes from YHWH so if anyone is attacking them they assume that YHWH is being attacked. They don’t understand that it’s their actions that we are critisizing not the creator.
I thought the subject of discussion was Law versus Illegale set-up of place of business in this case place of worship, how has it become an issue of praying for each other. At what point will someone refer to the fact that the bible directs not encourages but directs everybody who subscribes to christianity to respect the law of the land and then the churches who are supposed to be the custodians of this supreme law are the first ones to show disrespect to the Government, what about its flock, so guys be sober minded and discuss this issue in a level headed fashion
A few weeks ago I confronted the Church next to Longridge School in Chilanga about their totally irresponsible high noise levels, their total disrespect of the community in which the church was operating, a violation of people’s rights all in the name of God and frankly, a lack of understanding of Christian values by a Church!
There was an assumption that because they are Christians, everybody in the community must be a Christian and must enjoy their ceremony.. a total misunderstanding of reality!
So, yes the Council must take action because it is the one that has regularised the churches to be in places where they must not be in the first place!
I’m not supporting anyone here but the Lusaka city council is deliberately ignoring lusaka business centre, Comesa market and Lusaka city market Henry Kapata who seem to have in the recent past become so vocal and exited should go to these places mentioned here above.
some so called investors who have come to open shops along Cha Cha road are too noisy don’t just rush into attacking organizations that are contributing to positive behaviors in the soceity its unfair.
uk grad(jobless)help me out please, where does that guy get off saying those things to me?
the things he is saying are evil and i am actually scared. heart attack? death?
what kind of man is this?
#89 Ba MAN OF GOD
Apply wisdom to your faith.Do not behave like a baby christian but show some maturity.”Bonse tuli bamamente but we don`t show off or scare people”
#96 KIKI…God loves us all and he`s using us to enlighten our fellow christians on how we can legally have a positive impact on the nation.
to man of god:
i prophesy that in 2 days time you will stop being such a self-righteous ass*hole.
possible?
LCC pls you should start with the millioners (mwenyes) at Kamwala who make so much noise that even cause incidents along Independence avenue and the surrounding roads.
Kiki don’t be scared! This is how this bustard manages to get money from poor Zedians, by threatening them with the wrath of ‘god’! God does not deal with people that way nowadays, if he were Mugabe , Bush, Bin Laden, Chiluba would not leave long enough to commit their crimes against his creation. Instead, he has set a day to judge those not obeying his will including that of doing to your neighbors as you would like them to do to you. Am not scared for a sec.
#89 Your God is a terrorist! he inflicts pain and torment on people so that they can turn to him for solace? C’mon be real!!!! And I bet you God is not going to strike anyone down on your say so, who are you? Pls do not flatter yourself too much. Ah
i was also thinking the same thing nkonga, who does this clown think he is? indoshi
ha ha
#89 You make a very strong statement about Sata’s illness and bereavement, are you sure about what you are saying? tread carefully my man, i would suggest you slug your arguments out based on what you know for a fact and not speculate on people’s misfortunes.
Laws are there to promote order in a society where pipo have varied backgrounds. If society doesn’t obey laws, catastrophes will be the oder of the day. If the law says dont pass thru a red light & u decide otherwise, u might kill an innocent person. Same with playing music loud or praying loudly in the neighbourhood where pipo are supposed to have quality time with their families. These are forms of antisocial behaviour which society must work hard to uproot.
Yes, councils have made numerous mistakes in the past due to negligence and total disregard of the by-laws. But we mus applaud when one stands up to correct the mistakes. It’s unfortunate it has to start with the noisy churches,
may be thats where we get the lagest number of complaints.
#20, YOU ARE SPOT ON. Even the mosques or synagogues must abide by this pollution regulation law. Mosques also make a lot noise. Its like their god is several planets away from earth. If you enjoy rhumba it doesn’t mean even your neighbour does. Keep that music to yourself. Which god are pipo worshipping? Is it the ‘Almighty’ or ‘non-mighty’ one. Zambia is on the road to democracy. Therefore, every resident should be protected against the un desirable elements.
#105 Churches, bars, street vendors, bus-call boys, Funerals, music on long-distance buses (it can really get on your nerves)
the list is long, and I applaud LCC for beginning to enforce the by-laws. One would have expected the churches to be the least affeted since they are supposed to be places of worship and not of frolicking.
‘Man of God’, which God do you worship?? Iam sure it is the devil. You are the same chaps who are busy conning ignorant people in compounds by threatening them that if they do not pay your salary(umutulo)evil will descend on them. Shame on you.
going back to the very 1st thing i said, i also congratualte LCC for enforcing this law, i hope it applies to all establishments like you folks have said. not just churches but everyone.
peter without fail you always put a smile on my face, you make me laugh 🙂
if something bad happens in 2 days i prophesy that my boss will fire me for spending the whole day online arguing with morons
Kiki that makes the two of us. I cant believe how much time I have wasted arguing with this wanna be witchcraft!
#47, you are misdirected. No one is demeaning the power of God. In fact you don’t even need to read between the lines to realise that the bloggers are all supporting the idea of worshipping. But of course worship in SANITY NOT INSANITY. I at one time lived with a crazy born again prayed loudly whenever he comes home. He had specific time for prayers. Apart from disturbing me as I was pursuing my IT studies he also kept me awake whenever I yielded to him and decide just to sleep. I on several occassions spoke to this worshiper about the inconvenience. They say the same thing-god. I almost came to hate the idea of church. Now where did the bible say destroy? I did a lot of gardening at the…
Dear all, yet I support reduction of noise levels, I don’t support the idea of fines. Suppose these churches continue making noise and continue paying fines, are you going to complain? Unless the council is just interested in making money. So what I mean is that let the council stop these churches from making noise and not concentrate on charging fines. There are some rich churches (e.g. Universal Church) which can easily pay these fines and continue polluting. So lets know what we want. Thanks.
…backyard. The same guy never bothered even to water the vegetable. But, instead of enjoying the vegetables himself he even became a good samaritan to all and sundry. Whenever, I ask him to at least water the vegetables whenever I wasn’t around, his answer was that he had dedicated all his time to worshipping god and there4 had no time 2 water the garden. He went on to say he prays for me, too. So I should just till the land and not worry about salvation. Apart from noise, most of these chaps are hardcore exploiters in anyway you may think of. Chanda Makanta, go ahead stop the rot. Pipo have had enough of this NONSENSE.
Our friends in the born again churches should not feel victimised by the council’s enforcement of existing by-laws. They are doing that which they shud have done long time ago.
The problem the council will face with legal noise control is that there’s no one single piece of legislation which makes clear what noise levels are allowed. If these churches decide to sue the council, it will be difficult to establish what noise levels are acceptable as there is none at the moment.Then it will come back to victimisation. These churches will think they are being targeted 4 no reason.We’ll blame the council again 4 losing a case that cud easily have bin won with revised by-laws.
We need a new capital with a plan,maybe towards kafue, Lusaka is beyond reform – not even Ken Livingtone’s mayoral genius can help our former garden city which has now collectively become garden compound
#109, THANKS. I also enjoy your contributions. At least its enlightening to learn that most Zambians have wisdom. Only a handful in the minority-without wisdom or intellect.
I totally agree with sentiments condenming the use of houses as synagogues. Firstly for health and safety matter, its dangerous to crowd 30 pipo in a 6x6m room with others occupying the passage, kitchen, even toilet because there is hardly air circulation and its easy to catch airborne disease.
Such an assembly will effectively invalidate the insurance of the house in case it caught fire.
#115, u r very right Lusaka is beyond repair. In any case Kabwe is more central and not beyond redemption. Zambia can start on an almost empty slate in Kabwe. I hate just the sight of Lusaka. We must push this idea to parliament. 1 would have thought of Livingstone. But you don’t want to risk the tourist capital 4 another bout of defacing.
#112, the fact that fact that a church has the economy of scale does not mean that it should go on with it illegal conduct. Like in any other situation, theres a 1st offender and when u go beyond u can be locked. Think of a driver who kills pedestrians continuosly.
The buck stops at local authorities doors.These institutions have become financially, morally, directionally BANKRUPT. Tuntembas on every street and turn even in Serval road of Kabulonga.Compounds designed by ward chairmen with no plan, no roads, no drainage etc. Have a birds eye view of Lusaka Kabwe Ndola etc as you fly and compare with Joburg.You will agree we have a big problem with our towns.The much talked about 5% annual GDP growth is not planned for(in terms of social infrastuture expansion) and a few years down the line the problem will be too big. We need a “marshall plan” for local councils.
Imwe, comment yandi taile fika! Plus yamano sana!
#118 I am also supporting you my friend. What I am worried about is that suppose the churches continue making noise because they can easily pay the fine what should happen? In other words I am suggesting these churches be completely banned and not introduce issues of fine. Its like saying if they arrest you for urinating in public, you pay 10pin. If you have millions, you can easily urinate in public and still pay 10pin and continue making the place dirty. So there should be no issues of fine. What they should say is if you are found making noise, the licence should be revoked. Finish
We are all concerned about the living conditions in our neighborhood, so let’s just find a peaciful solution to live together…as long as we all agree to run out all satanists, jezebels, sodomites, wizards/witches, child-molesters and whore-mongers from our midst! Ayini?
LT, I have just been made aware of the following news item on ZNBC-TV: “High cost of fuel unjustified-Chibiliti” The Secretary to the Cabinet says the high cost of fuel is unjustifed because Zambia has its own petroleum refinery. Evans Chibiliti said there is need to investigate and review the entire costing mechanism of petroluem products. Mr. Chibilit said it is unacceptable that Zambia is among nations with the high cost of fuel in the region when the country has its own refinery.
Cont’d: “He ruled out possibilities of leakages on Tazama pipeline being one of the major contributing factors to the high cost of fuel. The secretary to the treasury who is on a familiarization tour of TAZAMA pipeline facilities said he is glad that the pipeline is currently operating efficiently after the completion of the rehabilitation exercise. He was speaking to Journalists after inspecting the Chinsala TAZAMA pipeline sub station”.
If you still had any doubts about the calibre of people who make up the MMD government of president Mwanawasa these surely have now been removed by the *****ic statement of Secretary to the Cabinet – no less, Evans Chibiliti who says the high cost of fuel is unjustified because Zambia has its own petroleum refinery!! This must rank among the all-time world’s most ridiculous statement ever made by anybody!!
It’s like saying there is no justification for people to die in the UTH because Zambia has doctors! You *****s!! And you waste tax-payers’ money on this kind of garbage! Familiarization tour of TAZAMA pipeline facilities??? Familiarizing yourself with what, may I ask? And how long have you been in that job, Mr. Chibiliti to think of taking this totally unproductive and uncalled for tour? I now totally understand those who have branded the kind of UNZA graduates as worthless!!
Never in this life of mine will i call anybody calling upon the name of the Lord as making noise.If i here my neighbour praising God i will bow down in piety in my room and praise God.Even when i hear somebody sining in the night i will wake up and start singing.I will give if i can even to those who spread the word of God to those travelling on buses or any for of transport. I will leave judgement in the hands of God to those who do it for business.If you think like the council that it is noise they do make that is your judgement and you are entitled to it.
What is this “xenophobic violence” we now hearing about in South Africa? who are its victims and perpetuators? I just read on that thread that its targeted on Zimbabweans by the Tsvingirai camp.If that is how shallow Africans we can sink for the sake of power, then we have along way to go. I can’t see a white man buying such against his own brothers.
We r all X-stians, but let us not forget that God helps those who help themselves!Lack of enough rest of the body is not healthy at all. Let us not make too much noise, b/se, God will not reward you b/se of the louder you shout when praying!! It is stated in the Bible that u have 2 love ur neighbor as u love urself, Not SO? So behave urselves, bros & sisters! God Bless u.
Some people do not even know who give them rest.They unfortunately place themselves in Gods place and know how He would judge.Some people start asking themselves that why has this happened to me and yet they forget what they feed to the wind.Watch were right now you are standing.You are standing on the holy ground from which you were made and which consumes you and yet you do not weigh what you say.
FAIR DEAL! BUT PLEASE START WITH THE MOSQUES WHICH HAVE SPEAKERS AND MAKE NOISE NOT ONLY ON SUNDAYS, BUT 3 TIMES A DAY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, EVERY WEEK OF THE YEAR.
NEDDY
Have you wondered why we christians in Zambia haven`t reached so many lost souls for the LORD?The answer is partly because we lack some form of wisdom in the way we carry ourselves.
eagle-one i love the way you just changed the topic!
some people are misunderstanding on purpose and im done explaining to them.
you people who are preaching hellfire for others are totally out of line, who are you anyway? jehova?
lets all persue eagle-one’s topic then 🙂
is it too much to ask someone to be quiet?
the council is not saying people should stop praying but simply to reduce ichongo. every man has the right to enjoy peace around his or her house.
Man of god, i think it would be wise for you not to say anything more becoz you are childish. the simple fact is that everyone should abide by the law even the church.
KIKI dont worry about dis fool.
I agree with you 62, be careful all of you who complain and have such comments supporting someone who is trying to remove the rejoicing that God calls for in Proverbs, Psalms and throughout the Bible. God speaks about how He destroyed Habakuk in the old testament because they were being conceited and arrogant with God! Oh be careful little mouths what you say. View the horrendous destruction of various places that tried to remove God! He is you creator the beginning and the end the alpha and amega. Amen!
COZ put you are out of context!
COG are you mad? Who wants to stop who from rejoicing?
God forgive kiki, njooka and his co-horts. Man of God is on the right track. You created them Lord yet they deny your powers. We will keep interceeding for them.
Fonko Fonko, if we are talking about the same God then you’d have no reason to curse us. It seems you have a different ‘god’ who seems somewhat to be deaf! Curse me all want and nothing will happen to me because my God is mightier than your noise maker ‘deities’.
Have you noticed how the all-loving God of the Born-agains can change to a vengeful god when one tries to put sense into their misguided christian minds? They immediately begin to threaten you with all sorts of calamities! Stop making noise, find/create a new way of praising your God quietely and decently.
Yes Nkonga, especially our so-called Charismatic Worshippers. I find that their mind-set defeats logic, hence the perpetual poverty we find ourselves in, people spending too much time worshipping at the expense of food production.
God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob and who is our God is not a deaf God. NoNoNo, He can hear you, even when you are wisper or just a thinking. Jehovah Jire listerns even to the things b4 you even say them. Rejoicing in the Lord is suppose to be for the good of all! Not for some pipo to start cursing God or the cursing rejoicer, NoNoNo. Unless that rejoicing is meant for some disturbing/distruction god. Remember! God loves us all, so whatever you do should be for the good of God,you and your neighbour. and God have no favourite, NoNoNo, NOT GOD, THE FATHER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, WHO IS THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND LIFE.
#138 Remember:
1Thou shall not curse the creation of God!
From 6.22am to 9.19am people tearing each other apart over what is termed as “noise pollution”,Nuisance Act or whatever.I like your sentments but be more objective than subjective.Yes we have nite-clubs and shabeens right in our compounds and now industries are being established in the neighbourhood.No one raises the HUE AND CRY…….why?We people have fear for those we brand as “millionaires” or “investors”.To those affected also this is not persecution.JUST DO THE NEEDFUL-IN-HIS-KINGDOM WAY.
i saw what that guy wrote but i didn’t even want to respond. how many times should i say the same thing?
i rebuke internet curses from these clowns, they can’t hurt us.
#138 Are sure you are a x-tian?
1 Do and unto others as you would like them to do to you!
2 Love your neighbour as you love yourselves!
3 How do you love God whom you have never seen and hate your next door neighbour!
4 You leap what you sow! (if you sow curses, you will leap curses)
#132
Chapi,my dear brethren If we luck wisdom as christian then we have not had understood the bible.If we call ourselves christians and lack wisdom then we are not christians at all.The bible says God made man in His own IMAGE and gave him DOMINANCE over the earth.This means according to me that man can not fail anything he has been given dominance over.Man in his enterity is almost like God but reduced to nothingness because of satan.Man,Chapi, has unimaginable power and the potentiality for greatness.Instead of the lcc to see the need first and turn it into something productive for the society they start by conderming first.
#147
Brother NEDDY
I have followed everything you`ve written except that I need you to clarify and expand on your last sentence.
#147
Brother CHAPI
It seems for the LCC to voice it out seem there are prayers in many houses been conducted.I Would not call it noise because noise means unpleasnt sound.One cannot be restricted in the way one wants to praise God because it is between an individual and God and not between humans.There are people who are chosen and can really help others to come on the right path of life and be productive to their children and to the society and yet they cannot build a church.There are people who are prompted by their hearts to praise God and waite not for sundays,there are people who need edification from others and want to praise God every other day and yet most services-
Continued from #147
are on sundays and saturdays instead of condernming people the LCC must understand the need and implement ideas pertaining to the nation as a christian nation.Instead of allowing bars opening up at every conner of the compound why not the council build up massive community centers where one can take his followers and praise God at a manageable feel for maintenance.If they can afford to build markets which after time will be take over by foreigners how can they fail community centers.It could be one good way in the right direction for a christian nation unlike threatening people with the wrath of law.
Brother NEDDY #149-150
Thanks for your clarity and enlightenment.What I personally have a problem with is converting private homes into churches,shabeens or any other gatherings that attract crowds constantly.When are innocent neighbours going to have their rest or their kids going to find quiete time to study.
On an individual level,a person does not need to shout and disturb his neighbours for God to hear such prayers.A family can have their prayers at home without necessarily disturbing their neighbours.
For those that would like to host once in a while a home fellowship or prayer meeting can inform their neighbours as a general courtesy.
If noah built the ARK and took a pair of all the animals and the rest perished in the flood, what happened to the fish ? did they die in the flood too ?
# 151 agree with you.
there should be a right place and time to worship. Actually one should worship or pray anywhere at any time but reasonably.
If you live in a residential area be mindful of the neighbours. you cant scream and shout at anytime and say its okay because you are praising GOD.
Be reasonable apply wisdom. Pagans shout and scream so that everyone can see them. Jesus said dont be like the pagans instead pray quietly with a sincere heart its between you and GOD.
So this is what the LAW is saying excessive noise to disturb ma neighbour is wrong. Christians just obey the LAW of the land even JESUS himself obeyed the law.
Yaba
ama satan worshipers these days are a lot. the council need to shut some of them down.
i agree what what zambia1 wrote, very wise
for those of you who are intersted, i am still standing 2 days later.
internet curses are so wack, look, nothing happened
#106, you rightly pointed out that Zambia is on its way to democracy, and that entails freedom of worship!
You wonder why people go on about how churches make noise and are not really concerned about bars!
PEOPLE DON’T BE SOCIAL CRITICS IN MATTERS OF THE LORD. IT WILL DISTROY YOU!!!!!!!!!!
with all due respect to the institution of religion, I have to ask why we have so many churches in Zambia? Are churches taxed? If not, surely its the responsibility of the government to ensure that churches don’t become de facto business fronts run by pastors eager to make a buck. I have no doubt that there are legitimate churchs but surely we can’t assume that they are all infallible can we? as for the noise I more inclinced to think that the Council should plan better if its concerned that places of worship will be noisy because Pentecostal/Charismatic churches are vibrant and it would be unfair to expect anything different
In response to the individual who felt that I am out of context. We both viewed the statements being made by individuals in authority, which stated that the churches are making too much noise and are moving to fine them for doing so. I stated that God Himself stated in Proverbs, Psalms and throughout the Bible to make a joyful NOISE! unto the Lord. Which part did you not understand. For the individual who asked if I am mad. I would like to make a statement to you as an individual. Number one God said to be slow to anger, or if you were speaking in reference to my state of “mind” no I am not mad. I am very much in control of my full capacity of my mind and thoughts! Do I need to explain more.
“Mckasco says: May 22nd, 2008 at 4:11 pm
PEOPLE DON’T BE SOCIAL CRITICS IN MATTERS OF THE LORD. IT WILL DISTROY YOU!!!!!!!!!!”
You are living in self dilusion! Keep that stuff to yourself!!!!!
The noise can be reduced but Bwino na matters of God Ka….
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The ” Tun Abdul Aziz Mosque ”
in Petaling Jaya (PJ) district,
should SERIOUSLY consider,
to stop playing
Qur’anic recitation MP3’s,
on the loud-speaker system
(for approximately a quarter of an hour;
by 4 times a day),
prior to the Call to Prayer (‘ Aadhan ‘).
Just do a Quick Search, on the Internet,
about the Mosque,
& the following search items
will appear :
” masjid bulat pj bising ”
” tun abdul aziz mosque is noisy ”
” masjid tun abdul aziz bising ”
” masjid tun abdul aziz pj bising ”
” masjid bulat bising ”
– – –
[Q # 1] What special ‘ authority ‘ do they
( ‘ the management ‘ ) think they have,
to force every man, woman & child
(regard-less of creed),
to listen to Qur’anic recitation,
coming from their own…