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The Immigration department yesterday arrested a British national of Zambian origin at Chirundu Border post for failing to pay for visa fees to enter Zimbabwe.

Immigration Department Public Relations Officer, Mulako Mbangweta who identified the offender as Martin Nkandu 28 said Mr. Nkandu later attempted to cross into Zimbabwe after he was denied entry for failure to pay the visa fee to enter that country.

She said Mr. Nkandu was later discovered to have dual citizenship which is currently forbidden under the Zambian laws after he was found with a green national registration card which he had not surrendered earlier after obtaining British citizenship.

Ms. Mbangweta said the immigration officials at the border post have since withdrawn the green national registration card from Mr. Nkandu.

Ms. Mbangweta said another British national was also arrested in a separate incident after he was found working for a named company as a workshop manager when he had obtained a permit to work as an agriculture system specialist at a named farm in Lusaka.

She said the offender Dominic Bedward John 42 has since been fined a total of K1 million kwacha for the offense while the named company he worked for has also been fined the same amount for allowing him to work without an appropriate permit.

Meanwhile, the Immigration Department Spokesperson has reiterated that it will not allow any Zambian wishing to travel outside the country with the old passport after February this year which government set as a deadline to stop using the old passport copies.

She has urged Zambians wishing to travel out of the country to ensure they apply for the new passport books which government introduced last year.

The Immigration Department also has warned of stern action against foreign nationals engaging in illegal door to door trading in residential areas.

MS Mulako Mbangweta, said the department has noted with displeasure reports of some foreigners from a named country, who are selling various merchandise in some residential areas in Lusaka.

Ms Mbangweta told ZANIS in Lusaka today that it was illegal for the foreign nationals to engage in trading activities because the department did not issue them with permits to trade in the country.

She pointed out that the department only issue permits to foreign nationals looking for investment opportunities and not to trade illegally in the country.

Ms Mbagweta has disclosed that the department has since deported five Egyptian nationals to their country of origin after they were arrested for illegal trade while four others were still in detention.

She has urged Zambians to desist from buying merchandise from such traders because it will encourage them to continue the illegal trade adding that people should instead report offenders to the department.

Ms Mbangweta said her department will not relent in arresting any foreign national engaging in illegal trade and described the practice as abuse of the country’s renowned hospitality to foreign nationals .

She said the department is on the alert and has since intensified patrols to arrest illegal traders of foreign nationals.

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323 COMMENTS

  8. Ms Mbangweta only mentioned Zambians travelling outside the country. Are Zambians who are outside the country allowed to travel back using their old passports? I have been trying to get a new passport via the embassy in the USA but it is such a drag- I dont have the energy and credit to do.

    I think there was a lot of poor planning regarding issuing of new passports.Not everyone will manage to obtain them by end of Feb(esp with the embassy’s attitude). I was informed i need to send my old passport to Zed, but my visa n work permit is stamped in there elo ma offica yama boma aya hell no…

  9. Tell your men to visit Northmead and Roads Park areas of Lusaka between 18 and 20 hours and you will collect reasonable fines in each month.

  10. This dual citizenship thingy will become a huge chima issue. Even if it was constitutional, I disagree with it. Its a very selfish. You can’t have your bread buttered on both sides. Choose one or the other bane…

  11. Why doesn’t Zambia allow dual citizenship? I don’t see any negative impact dual citizenship would bring. If anything I think it has more positive benefits as it would allow individuals to identify themselves with different countries.

  12. I hope this serves as a warning to all dual citizenship aspirants. Nothing wrong with having a foreign passport but if the law requires you to surrender your renounced documents, please comply.

  13. Does anyone know how the Dual Citizenship Constitution petition has gone? I do not see anything wrong with dual nationality, once legalised in Zambia. Obviously for Mr. Nkandu to try and enter Zimbabwe with no Visa was inviting trouble.

    The fact that he has dual Nationality, should have just triggered an effort from Zambian immigration for Mr. Nkandu to declare which citizenship he wanted to keep. Imprisoning him, will send a lot of shivers in the diaspora !!! I agree with #1 Nine Chale,…the Headline scares a lot in the diaspora !!!!

  14. Does Canada and Zambia have an agreement for the residents of the two countries to dual citizenships! I know a zambian lady married to a canadian who claims to have both passports legally. Is this true anyone8->

  15. Its because of poverty which has griped the nation, and first class recognition.E.g most people in Diaspora are not decided whether to come back home or stay wherever they are. Even if they were to come, where are they going to start from? there are no Jobs, Standards of living have gone high, business minded people are uncertain whether they will make it in business and are scared to invest their hard erned money. thats the reason why, most have resorted to dual citezenship. if it doesnt work in Zambia,they try their adopted countries.

    Note: Thats my own opinion.

    Goodnight bloggers :*

  16. Nothing wrong with dual citizenship really – these are not paranoid UNIP days. For example if I wanted to visit my man Chale for ein stein bier it’s a major hassle…

  18. Tulu Ze Mule, people pa Zed should learn to respect laws of the land.No Dual Citizenship that’s all pay the Visa.Not wanting to do what suites you everytime sorry bane.

  19. I didnt know that once to have other passports you can keep the NRC,i thoght only dead peoples NRCs were given back.the GOVT dept or is it immigration dept should educate us well enough not to be caught un aware like nkandu.what other documents are we to handover twishibile chalimo?

  22. baby c.. walanda tulibengi….does that mean we also cant own property in zambia? im not sure what the law say in regard to foreign nationals owning property in zambia

  23. This is what I was talking about. Just pay for the visa fees no negotiations. Even that petition to review passport fees is BASELESS. Just pay kaili ndimwe muli mu diaspora. Ulila

  24. This is what I was waiting for. Have you seen the Citizens Democratic Party Draft Manifesto? Go to thecitizensdemocraticparty dot com

  25. That is why I am crying to NCC :((:((:((:((:(( to consider duall citizenship…. LT would have better topics to discuss than this.

    Zambia you educated me to be proud and free **==**==**==
    Now you are arresting your freedom and development.

    Oh my dear children who are you and where do you belong?**==:((**==:((
    Yokosa

  26. In Zambia the Green NRC with XXX/XX/1 is for ZED citizens once u denounce your citizenship pa Zed you hand in that Card. But please think thru before you do it, never should you do that out of desparation.u can endup like martin being locked in a cell only to be Enganged by the Cell boss. Let’s be Genuine.

  28. One obvious -ve effect of dual citizenship is globalisation. Look at what the likes of it have done to the US economy…
    It may appear like a likely solution to many of our woes, but I see huge regrets in hindsight if it is to become legal. If you are too sKeptical about returning home, assume your new countries nationality chapwa. You can still always visit home.

  29. What of those of us who are already away? Mwebuteko …twipusheko; are things ever going to be straight forward in this MMD oriented land?? Is it really necessary to change licenses and Passports every two years? What guarantee is there that you wont change NEXT year?:(( Kaya!!!

  30. Dual citizenship is disallowed because zambians are xenophobic and fear that persons of dual citizenry have an upper economic hand. So, it’s a case of leave things alone – you “foreigners” are not entitled and as a result the country remains UNDERdeveloped. How many Zambians by birth cannot claim citizenship and thus we fail to earn much needed marketing points as a country. On the choice of citizenship; Zambian or Canadian? Zambia loses me and my money.

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  32. Its either you are a true zedian or british epela! Be a proud zedian & lift the zedian flag higher wherever you are. Impostors panse!!!!

  33. Awe bane tafimweme ililyashi lyama newpassport by February lyaufwikako trick, some of us will not manage and flying to OUR Embassy in DC is also costing more dollars ka.
    **==**==

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  37. i called the embassy in sweden requesting application forms,they told me they dont hane any and are not sure how much they will charge for the passports but the germany office is up and running.so fyebambi katwish elyo tu kapoka. how tru ati kuli na express processing..

  39. # Mr. Nkandu cha bipa mwe. Nomba naiwe, kuti waya shani pazimumu…Tabafwaya ama Britons kulya nakalya iyoooh!. Mugabe could have also treated you as a spy.

  40. Can we have Deepak patel who will make sure this dual is legal?

    I have said if you want soemone to make you happy all the time, Vote Deepak patel for the indepenedent seat in 2011.

    You will have Indian investers and people will have free stuff eg cooking oil, etc etc

  42. Some u are literally doing nothing beyond mouths and credit cards hence the reason chaps like martin wanted to enter Zimbabwe without paying visa fees. Muli nama black Dollars kapena.No compromise go home and invest if u have money not just ma slang, help develop ur country not admire and change citizenship.Your friends are investing in real estate in Zed look at how mansions are being built. Save ur embarassment by staying in diaspora.

  43. Zambia is one of the few couries in the world that has no respect for human resources, how can you disown your own people just because they have other passports. People get dual citizenship becase they don’t want to be paying visa fees every time they go on holidays while living overseas not because they don’t like being Zambian. Just how in the world do you expect to develop your country when you disown your own. Some of the children born to people living abroad will be great leaders of Zambia in different areas not just politics. Every government of the developed world has a primary aim of protecting and empowering their own but in Africa it is a different story, what a shame.

  44. #37 Its true there is express processing. Infact it just takes week after sending it from Baghdad. Diaspora is in Bedsheet

  45. I hear that some of our new leaders have children who have confirmed US / UK / or other citizenship. Zambia only needs to change the law and all will benefit including these leaders. However, these leaders as well are secretly letting their children have dual national passports when the laws of Zambia currently forbid it.

    Are there any names of leaders who may be in this category who we can turn to for help?

    I heard that the issue had been petitioned to the Constitution committe. How was the petition received?

  48. Ba maureen mwali pusauka…you are crazy i still dont think you are a lady,most likely mu guys..thanks for infor but whats the express charge

  49. Good job Ms Mulako Mbangweta. Please, keep it up. We see a lot of police and immigration officials doing such work in countries we travel through and so it is about time Zambia also dealt with the foreigners according to our laws.

    On the Zambian with dual Citizenship, Martin Nkandu, 28, please allow him to choose which Nationality he needs to keep. Otherwise, I am also considering taking up another Citizenship since I seem to be in trouble getting a New Passport while I need to continue travelling in different countries to perform my activities as a Space Physicist.

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  50. Tiyende pa Zed na Passport Imo
    Yiyende pa Zed na passport imo
    Mbangweta Tiye, Diaspora tiye
    Tili pamodzi, tiyende pa Zed na passport imo **==

    Come on clap for Maureen

  51. 40#Arafat Patel, please do not give false promises. Free cooking oil is too rich a potential mis-truth to let the blogg pass by without comment.Remember the free egg a day from Kaunda?? Zambians are now more cleverer than they were then. Also let us not ethnicize political seats. let us campaign with facts & figures and may the best Zambian win…in 2011. getting back to the topic, I just want to say that most Zambians I know in the diaspora secretly have gotten theor second citizenships and all say they would shift their $$$ / £££ to Zed if they were fully free to peddle their dual nationality. At the moment, most are worried at what would happen to their $$$$ if their Zed nationality was

  53. Okay folks,if you have dual citizenship,you can keep two passports so long as when you travel to Zambia both passports(NRC) are not in your possession at the same time.As for the new passports,yes the Zambian Govt is ass backwards on this,If you have a collection of Visas in one passport,staple/carry that passport with the new one.Immigration in the States/Canada/UK/EU will not give you any headaches so long as you have a valid visa and a valid passport Eg.you can have a valid visa in an old passport,so long as you also have the new passport with you,or you can have a valid visa in the new passport.It is time for Dual Citizenship.

  58. ..withdrawn and their $$$ was stuck in a Zed bank. To give some perspective of why this diaspora resource should be listened to..consider these facts…there are probably about 100,000 active Zambian income earners in the Diaspora, With each sending home to families just $250 each month = $25m per month and with each saving $250 per month in Zed banks = another $25m. This adds up to $550m.

  60. Hodi Kuno! Balamana kuzyijata kapati ba Immigration. Another group of chaps arrested (according to Muvi-TV wedsite) for making gonga Dettol soap. Jata yena!!!!!
    Good piece of work. Mwabeleka.

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  64. Add also the amount they would invest in building homes etc etc…
    This woule far exceed the $550m. It is no wonder that for countries such as jamaica, Nigeria and Ghana, foreign remittances and bankings from their citizens in the diaspora make it the first of second thing in terms of forex generation nationally.

  67. #58 ZigZag. I like your imagination, because it is all theory. Theory is nice because from theory comes practical

  70. All i am saying is what deepak has preached. He could do the job without getting paid
    Money is not important as he is rich. what i am saying is imagine the investors in ths country, indians running business getting zambian workers etc etc

    Vote deepak in 2011 please

  73. If Zedians in th diaspora are afraid to invest in Zed, let them invest in their ‘new’ countries where it is supposedly safe and they’ll be no need for this debate

  74. Zambians in the diaspora will always go for dual nationality irrespective the law. Better reason with yourselves and them by including ‘it’ in your constitution. Having the nationality of the country you are living in is highly benefitial, period

  75. #67 Casey Khisho,..thanks for your comments. They say from a thousand ideas will come one good practical application. It is always good to theorise…who knows what practical applications it may bring tomorrow…take care and happy 2009!!!

  77. #74 Ofcourse yebo yes, uncertainty of economic trends bwana. But nikujenjela ka, wawona munzatu ba gwila! It will now actually make others be more sophisticated

  78. Developed Countries of the world are inviting the cream of the world to become there citizens whilst a very poor country like ours must debate dual citizenship.These rich Countries do not even bother about what Citizenship you are,they look at the bigger picture.Lets stop being petty,we have already lost alot of professionals etc its high time somebody woke up!dual Citizenship is a non issue please what with Obama becoming President of America,The Terminator with Austrian origin becoming Governor of Carlifornia?lets look aheard please.

  80. #75,
    Thanx bro…if you look @ The NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, all is anchored on Newton’s Physical Laws of Motion.

  81. Obama and Arnie do not hold dual citizenship. They are merely descendants of different or foreign citizenship.
    They, unlike many amongst us, made that dutifull decision to be loyal to a single flag as best they saw it. So did people like Simon Zukas, Stan Kristafor et al… Bushe chishupile pesa bane?

  83. # 78,
    The governor denounced his Austrian Citizenship, by surrendering all Austrian Government Documents, which include Austrian passport. Though you will hear the media call him the Austrian Immigrant. Thats common So, I would go for Obama’s example as you ve put it.
    Cheers.

  85. #78 AMANO MAMBULWA

    We’re not disputing the freedom or right to become a citizen of another country, just abide by the law & surrender your Zambian passport.
    I’m pretty sure that Obama has no Kenyan passport, just like Arnie Schwarzenegger no longer has an Austrian one. There are plenty countries in the world, and no one is being forced to retain Zambian citizenship here. You can’t have it both ways.
    Any other questions I can answer before I go to bed?

  86. the problem with the passport office is that it has been short-changing people. by as late as august these corrupt chaps were giving people old passports. caribbean babe, the embassy should not mislead you intyo sending your passport to lusaka. the best they could have said is you sneding certified copies. it shows how ignorant our diplomatic staff are.

  87. Ifi mano fya mu unip e problem pa zambia. western union in zambia could pay people in foreign currency but ifwe ati iyo, pay them in kwacha. mwanya, that is why chi kwacha chiponena lyonse.

  89. # 8 Baby Bahamas.
    Free advice. Dont temper to send your passport to Zambia. You will be looked up by the Bahamas govt, because you passport will be lost with the visa in it my friend. You see, you have a Bahamas Visa, which allows you to be in Bahamas for a period, its not the Zambian passport allowing u to stay in Bahamas.
    In my view, as long as your visa is valid, you can be wherever you are even with old passport, and go back home and surrender you old passport with the expired visa at Lusaka Int, Airport, but the issue comes in when your visa expires and you still want be where you are, because now you will need a new passport being talked about to get the visa.

  90. #8 & #89. You do not need a visa to enter the Bahamas. If you are renewing your passport, got a lawyer to notarize copies of your current passport, and send those copies along with your application forms. The tricky thing about being in the Bahamas is you need a valid passport to maintain your work permit.

  93. Quote – Yahoo news

    “One message that I have and I think we all share is that we want you to succeed, whether we’re Democrat or Republican we care deeply about this country,” Bush said. “All of us who have served in this office understand that the office itself transcends the individual.”

  94. # 90
    AAAAH! ili treaky kanshi for my friend, then I withdraw my advice.

    Mine is not very complicated.Nkabapela chi old passport and expired visa nga naya

  97. As long as its outlawed, Zambiance lets comply.

    Its 20hrs kuno ….. good nite.
    Nine chale imwe ni 24hrs service

  98. Nothing strange really,i know of many friends & relatives who have renounced their Zambian citizenship & when they visit Zambia are always in trouble when they overstay by even a day.As long as your surname remains a Zambian one after renouncing citizenship,Zambian Immigration authorities will give you hell,it may look like it’s for fun but they simply do their job.I still feel our govt should have allowed dual citizenship,i don’t understand the reasons behind their banning of dual citizenship but if they have valid reasons benefitial to our country then we should support them by all means.

  99. #70 Arafat Patel,today answer me not kutaba na lelo.Tell me, which party does Dipak(and not Deepak as you put it)belong to? coz according to my recollection he is still MMD after abandoning FDD when our late H.E dangled a carrot to him in the name of Commerce ministry. Usatabe nalelo Patelo and can see you are actively blogging.

  100. edited Mine is that of freedom, visa free all over the world and dignity!
    Like one Mr Patel said once ‘my heart is in bombay but my MONEY is in London’
    My heart goes out to the hungry zambians with NRC’s and passports that they cannot eat.

  101. LT ask Mulako Mbangweta in your capacity the effects this will have on Zambians living abroad after 28 feb,and ask her for the solutions.She seem’s to warn only those who will leave the country ‘Zambia’ and not those coming back.Will it a valid document to go back home?

  102. number 48 i think you are right i also thought bamaureen is a guy and is having a good laugh when the guys try to chat her up

  104. Hyena afwila umuntanganina, u want to eat on two plates at the same time when plate are not on the same table. Eat you cake or keep it, y mukonda kubulele all the time.make decision now and denounce what you are not comfortable with. For foreigners remitting that amount USD250/U then your relatimes should not be leaving on less than a dollar a day. ZED porpulation is about 12 million ideally we can easily live as a country on your(diaspora) family donations at 2
    dollars…hahahaha be real. I wonder if u relative has ever even seen a dollar.

  106. I will always be Zambian but please don’t shield me
    from becoming a citizen of another land. Deal with
    it! We we have to ammend the constitution period.

  107. #105 Nine chale. Do you want to be American? I can hook you up!
    Let me know that way you can have 3 citizenships.

  108. Its totally nonsensical and *****ic that the Zambian government should still resist dual nationality….please give me two reasons why a sane person would choose a Zambian citizenship over a British one??? I wouldn’t even choose a Zambian one over a Zimbabwean citizenship even with Bob Mugabe in office!!!

  109. #81 Obama’s wealth means squat to the usa. But for most of us in the diaspora, our collective input into zed would indeed be meaningful. But we are afraid to do anything in zed because the law might just visit you in zed and send you packing.

  110. #107 Real Zambian

    He he he…you got good jokes my friend. Thankyou but no thankyou. I’m too proud to be Zambian. Umunenu Martin Nkandu nabekata. You should be very, very, very afraid…
    [-x

  111. Mukwai Njipushesheko nganaluba kuti banjelelako,bushe uyu Nkandu mulanshi bamwkatile imwweeee? Is it dual citizenship or failing to pay vasa fee? Guys I know we are free ukumwenamo Nkandu on his dual citizenship,but to tell you the truth personally I dont blame him.Why Iam I not blaming him? #1 the guy is in a dilema he does not know where to stay.Its not good at all to denounce your Zambians Citizenship,I also cant do it,but again life Pa ZED naikosa.#2.Iam sure the facilities that are pa bulaya(not Kashiwa)but UK are far much better compared to the Zedian ones.So guys not ukumumwenamo umunenu pali dual.The only silly mistake he made was not to pay amahalf ya visa. :-j:-j:-j

  112. Zambians, more than 5 years ago, the world bank said that the money sent to the African countries by the African diaspora was far more than the money it lends to the African countries. Based on this information the Ugandan government engaged in a constructive dialog with its diaspora and a dual nationality was allowed for the Ugandan diaspora. What is the Zambians government doing? Scared of the diaspora? The Ugandan government has asked the diaspora to stay abroad and keep investing and sending money back home. This is what we call a government, not this bunch of Zambian party goers and selfish politicians.

  113. Nkandu was just daft, ifya kwi katila ku bukulu, what was he heading to Zim for of all places? He deserves his ordeal. Well, I for one consider myself to be a citizen of this planet, borders are artificial. For as long as God gives me the ability to go wherever I want, I ‘ll, so bena Mbangweta muleke ukuponta. No one stops anyone from doing the same!!!

  114. The points certain contributers are raising make it seem as if dual citizenship is the ultimate panacea or elixir for all of Zambias woes.. I beg to differ.There’s nothing wrong with assuming another countrys citizenship(in fat that is many peoples goal even when still in Zed).The issue is if whatever leads you to “change” your nationality is so gliterred and golden, why would you still want to hang onto you Zambian citizenship? They would still be many ways you can contribute to Zambias well being(if you want to). The only beneficiary of dual citizenship is the holder of that right and neither of the countries she/he proffesses loyalty to and thats why I believe it’s a devious little scheme

  115. Good evening
    Back from work. A couple of things
    Firstly, These offences committed amounts to a serious breach in the confidence of the Zambian Immigration,. What drops my chin with shock, is the ‘arrested and passport withdrawn’ as the only punishment for such a deed? Ho much of a deterrent is that for anyone who has dual citizenship. The breach of duo citizenship is a grey area and judging by the punishment given, perhaps the logical thing is to allow dual citizenship anyway. The other bloke k1million as a fine, goes on to back my proposal. In Europe a culprit of this magnitude was almost certainly likely to have be deported and probably banned, from entering the country again. How a

  116. I like the idea of making money elsewhere and spending it
    pa Zed. In my experience you buy more in zed accounting
    for inflation. wanu ngwee kuno chalo kubondi!

  117. I like the idea of making money elsewhere and spending it
    pa Zed. In my experience you buy more in zed accounting
    for inflation. wanu ngwee kuno chalo kubondi!

  118. Secondly because of the logistics involved in the passport fiasco, it will be insanity to stick by the February deadline, IMO at least another 2 years will be more realistic, considering the costs, inconvenience and time it will take to change the said passports. In UK for instance there is proposal to equip everyone have with an ID and that proposal, has been given a window of about 2 years to make sure everyone has an virtually no leg to stand on, on why they not acquire one.
    I feel some lingering bitterness in the way this has all be done, because greedy, selfshiness and milking monies from all of us, is wat this govt wants.
    These shambles have got to be addressed.

  119. Secondly because of the logistics involved in the passport fiasco, it will be insanity to stick by the February deadline, IMO at least another 2 years will be more realistic, considering the costs, inconvenience and time it will take to change the said passports. In UK for instance there is proposal to equip everyone have with an ID and that proposal, has been given a window of about 2 years to make sure everyone has an virtually no leg to stand on, on why they not acquire one.
    I feel some lingering bitterness in the way this has all be done, because greedy, selfshiness and milking monies from all of us, is wat this govt wants.
    These shambles have got to be addressed..

  120. How sad. This dude should have just paid the visa fees. I think he had forgotten that he was a British citizen.

    Which is better to give up your citizenship when you only have ten years before you retirement when you are in the UK. Is it better to end u in a nursing home or age peacefully back home?

  121. :((:((:((:((:((:((:((:((:((
    #25 Obewa Chanda Musyalike I join your cry.

    Dual citizenship for our offsprings!!!

    If the government does not act on this, it should brace itself to fill the prisons with more ‘Nkandus’

  124. Imwe mudala mufuna kufa monga chule? your type of species that live like parasites now you want to be a zimbabwean? immigration authorities did agood job on you, keep up the the good job. Infact their salaries have to be increased so that of your kind are arrested.

  125. 121 cont…
    Locking up your own productive age group is tantamount to surbotaging the country’s development programme.

  126. From the comments here, it looks like some people already hold 2 passports. Most people even have the audacity to mess with immigration laws.
    They seem to think that because the world is becoming a “global village” they can now cross borders anyhow. Violation of immigration laws is not a peccadillo. You will be deported and banned to leave Zambia for the rest of your life.

  127. #108] Not all that glitters is gold. The grass may look greener on the other side till you get there and see for your self. Some times it may take you a seemingly long time, but you’ll eventually see for yourself.

    One sane reason I might just afford to give you is that it really hates to have a name you can’t be proud of. I’m a very proud Zambian. Imagine how a Zimbabwean will feel if real political independence were to suddenly come tomorrow. If living in Zimbabwe, under that choice of yours by then, who you really be as astoundingly happy compared to the “original” Zimbabwean who didn’t have to denounce his roots?[-( .Yes! dual citizenship should be allowed … but be a proud Zambia!

  128. This Mr Ngandu was very much at fault. Why didn’t just walk away when he was denied entry. What was so pressing that made him take the action he took. Am thinking all sorts now.

  132. *claps*
    # 113 thats the spirit who on this planet would confine themselves into imaginary lines drawn by colonialists. Home is where you feel comfortable and the happiest

  133. boma should allow dual citizenship.What do you have to lose anyhow? They are only missing out on the revenue that can be gotten from all the sons and daughters abroad.

  135. Martin nkandu only wanted to be a billionare by changing 5pounds then met his fate. In Zim they can easily manufacture starving billionares by uncle Bob.

  136. ,#8, Babe Bahamas,
    I hope you are fine. ivo va mapassport just follow what your embassy requests from you.. posting will be too risky..Muli bwanji ndipo?? Yayi ine ndili bwino. talk to you soon.

  137. Dear Lusaka Times
    The issue of new passports after february 2009, should not be taken lightly by the zambian government.A mehanism should be put in place through the zambian missions abroad to assist zambians especially those studying.
    Like in my case Iam in Holland persuing my Masters programme and in February Iam moving to Sweden for my second semester and there after travel to zambia to collect data for my research and there after return to Holland.My worry is, will I be able to get my new passport in good time before my THESIS deadlines?The way things work in our government departments is really appauling.

  138. Mr Nkandu you are not alone on dual citizenship ownership, But hey what are you trying to get from Zimbabwe apart from chollera.

    Well, the government better build more prisons to keep Zambians with dual citizenship.My parents suffered in vain being PROUD ZAMBIANS paid their taxes for as long as they lived and what did they get back from our clumpsy Government a slap on their faces. My children are’nt going through it whether Nyama Soya likes it or not.

  140. The CDP Manifesto is what Zambia needs to develop in this age. We are tired of the MMD politicizing everything. Zambians need to be given a chance to prove their potential. You can’t show your potential where the government wants to be the big brother in everything. What makes them think they know it all?
    Let’s support The Citizens Democratic Party come 2011. Do we really have to wait another 27 years plus to effect change?

  141. CDP POSITION ON DUAL CITIZENSHIP

    The issue of dual citizenship needs to be approached with practicality and objectively. After critically
    supports the provision of dual citizenship, provided that a well defined and meticulous qualification
    process is designed and application process; rather, we needed for our country to move forward.

    We, therefore, suggest that legislation for dual citizenship should provide two types of eligibility forms. The
    two forms are for the sole purpose of determining that the applicant has a GENUINE reason to seek
    Zambian citizenship.
    Form 1; for Zambians who might have left the country and gained naturalized citizenship in a foreign
    country.
    Form

  143. Form 1; for Zambians who might have left the country and gained naturalized citizenship in a foreign
    country.
    Form 2; for non-Zambians who have a desire to become citizens of our beautiful country. The reason to
    desire dual citizenship is more easily verifiable for Zambians who may have had children outside Zambia
    due to the obvious ties to our country. Provided such an applicant provides substantial evidence for
    verification as Zambian, The CITIZENS DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S stand is to allow a quick review process
    and grant dual citizenship to such an applicant.

  144. On the other hand, for non-Zambians, the issue of authenticating an applicant’s reason to desire
    Zambian citizenship is harder to establish. With this in mind, the review process for this category should
    be deliberate. An extensive background check must be conducted before the applicant is granted
    citizenship. It would also be absolutely necessary in the final stage, to subject such applicants to a
    “patriotism test”; to determine the applicant’s knowledge of Zambian culture and history. The CITIZENS
    DEMOCRATIC PARTY does not call for the blatant rejection of Zambians residing abroad chiefly for
    economic reasons. Instead, we encourage those with a desire to return to do so without

  145. Why is dual citizenship seen as a cop out by zambians in Zambia? It seems zambians want all zambians to come back and sit with them and sing ‘kankuluwale and jusjwatae’ all day, they do not want anyone abroad. Theres an undercurrent of resentment of zambians outside I have been slowing noticing. I felt it when i travlled to zambia but I brushed it aside until i noticed the same resent on this forum hmmmm :-w

  146. Instead, we encourage those with a desire to return to do so without apprehension.
    There are benefits to dual citizenship. However, as a nation, necessary precautions must be taken to
    ensure that the system is not abused and that consequently, threats against national security and
    patriotism are deterred.

  147. # 142 The Citizens Democratic Party I think is Zambia’s future. I just stumbled on it but at least I am happy with what I have read on their site so far. To make easy for you Google Citizens Democratic Party in Zambia, you will find links there. Good luck!

  149. Observer you seem to be it’s only member, am I right in assuming you are it’s leader? It sounds like a brilliant idea and a breath of fresh air . is it based in Zambia or America , if so how many members have you listed as party members?

  150. #149,
    Whether I am the only member or not, is really not much of a problem. Like I said, I stumbled on it and I like what I have read on the site. What you want to do with the little info I have availed is entirely up to you.

  152. Backward Zambia!!!! Kanshi who voted these slow thinking politicians?Dual citizen is not a problem if you select certain countries with strong economies(not ama Nai).
    It is not even a matter of debating.There are important issues to tackle like the state of the economy in this credit crunch;cholera every rainy season;unemployment etc.
    2011 should only allow Prof Chirwa and HH to stand we are tired of these snail paced governmet.

  154. ON A SERIOUS NOTE- The guy in question might be a Zimbabwe.Someone soke of many Zim refugees in the UK who travel to Zambia to enter Zim.

  155. What happened is Nkauduis that the lad refused to pay the Visa fees initially claiming Zim and Zed niba neighbours so Ma Goree-goree said no! You need to pay 2 million zim dollar then he started posing with the Engi/London slang

    Innit?

  156. Okay Guys

    Those of you who are saying :o:o to dual citzenship raise your hands 1,2,3,4,5…1005.Those of you who are saying :)>-:)>-:)>- raise your hands 1,2,3,4..1000007.Those of you who are saying nthat they are ready to denounce their zedian citizenship raise your hands.1,2,3,4,5…20000024.

    Guys word of advice.please thou shall not denouce your Zedian citizenship,I would advice you to seek permanent residence.I know pa zed yalizanda but home is home.Stay blessed wherever you are,and remember to thank God for taking you there.always remember to be proud of your country.

    Matworld.

  158. Sorry folks, Out of topic need help!

    How do you stop a hiccup, and what causes it? i cant shake it off for almost half an hour, any advise? what should i do?

  159. #155
    Bruv you need to stop chatting about manz from the ends yeaaaaaah. Bruve am on tis ting east london braap braap!!! Listen yeah dis ting bout dual nationality is swag , manz don’t need papers to move from endz to endz yeaaah some some next ting innit raaaaas!! any man manz got to run have to collect my benefits and see my fat white misses. Haven’t been to zed in while doh! I miss my old hood Zingalume innit

  162. Mat How is going Man?

    Just tried that not quiete gone but the intervals are taking longer which is cool !

    Thanks though man.

  163. There is nothing wrong with Dual citizenship – the problem is that the Zambian Government is afraid of anything but itself. Many learned Zambians have lost out on certain privileges in foreign countries because of this problem.

    Why can’t we learn from Nigerians who have gone almost everywhere in the world but they still owner and respect their country – also they bring the much needed money to their country.

  164. 163. Good post , but Nigerians Man, have a terrible reputation, not only in Africa, but world wise.

    I feel offended when someone asks me, ‘are you Nigerian’?
    But perharps its their craftiness like you are saying that we ought to learn from..

  165. No 158

    Count yourself lucky. A chap interviewed on BBC radio 5 yesterday has been struggling with hiccups since 2006!

    Go to About.com for possible remedies!

  166. Prior to presidential elections Sata was claiming that DUAL citizenship cannot be allowed because of security – Surely WHAT SECURITY??? Which Zambian can ‘sell’ Zambian secrets if there are any?? Please the days of Rhodesia/ Ian Smith and Bota of SA are over. Which secrets are you talking about?? Google Earth shows everything for all countries, Internet has all the information. So where is the problem.

  167. Jaro thats scary.

    Just saw that guy you talking about who is having an operation, that kinda freaked me out…
    I still have them but they are improving , iam drinking lots of water as well, dunno if it is helping..

  168. :-j This is shocking from Mr Sata. Is he trying to convince us that the less than Honorable FTJ forgot to reveal some national secrets when he was telling the world about the tunnels?

  169. 167,
    You will be fine my friend!

    Some people suggest Pulling hard on your tongue or Placing 1/2 teaspoon of dry sugar on the back of your tongue.

    Sounds silly but it works for some!

  170. Peeps lets stop being naive and one sided. For the record I have never supported and never will support Sata.
    But when he is speaking about security, its not tha tangible things like the tunnels that he refers to. You can never serve two masters equally. We are the same peeps who’d be condemning govt if some chap havin dual nationality did a ka “zimya” and let slip enough 411 to cause havoc.

  173. Ze Mule, people who come into contact with national security issues go through a vetting process and if that process necessarily excludes dual nationals then that would be supported by the majority of people.

    So what secrets would people divulge that they cannot currently divulge anyway. What stops them form divulging the secrets today – I am failing to follow the argument.

    Do people suddenly acquire Zambian secrets they can sell when they become dual nationals? Is Zambia unique in this respect?

  174. #151 you have to go to boma and sware (sp),the person who signed as parent should sware that the infor was not acurate and that you are trying to correct it and provide evidence,then that will be attached to your record.pliz do it straight as this can complicate your case.after interviews from maybe 2 officers seprately then they issue a new one.best to go to the town where you got it from.hope this is helpful.gudnite

  176. Jaro, what is overt today may be covert tommorow. My point is simply loyalty. Its easier for me for example to go home and perform a moles duty(should need arise) than an outright American citizen.
    I am also just vexed that many of us see dual citizenship as an economic resource. There are so many non-Zambians that have done so much for our country. The purpose of dual citizenship will only benefit zambians in the diaspora who’ll “enable” hemselves more at the expense of a great majority of citizens. If something is to be for the benefit of the country, it must first benefit the masses then trickle up instead of vice-versa

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  178. I would like to see some disadvantages to the nation if Dual nationality is adopted. I have read up on nations like israel , india and ghana that are offering dual nationality and so far All i see is advantages. The only disadvantages i Seem to see are unfounded ones driven by ignorance. Like for example Ze Mule here thinks Dual nationality will enable molesbut honestly Ze mule ask yourself if NSA or M16 can put moles in all the countries , do you think a simple £50 solution of dual nationality would stop them?

  180. This hatred for pipo with dual citisenship usualy comes from chaps who failed to make it. Why shud someone feel bad that a friend lives in USA/UK?

    As for those in these countries, be proud and wherever possible poken aka red. Mwiikata nakuchani poken and enjoy the benefits that comes with it eg easy access to bank loans etc….

    Ifinangwa ifibwatabwata ku zed filekeni.

  181. Please let me inform you that it is the illiterate people like Sata and Chiluba who were against the dual citizenship because they did not want Willa and all those they knew were better than them to come home and contest the presidency. At one time Chiluba even suggested that you cannot be a president if you have lived outside Zambia for more than 20 years. These are the real stambling blocks to a genuinely good case in a globalised world. What these illiterates don’t understand is that the first world sends them the worst people as consultants because non of our own are in the midst of the first world as partners. Utulo ba Sata na ba Chiluba – These i didn’t School people are hopeless!!!

  182. #178 Banton, advantages will only exist for the likes of you and me who stand to benefit from such a law. The masses stand to suffer greater and thats not what we both want(I hope). Just choose one or the other and get on with your business. You don’t have to have dual ciyizenship to be most productive. Israel offers dual nationality to whom…? You have to be carefull when researching the Isrealis. You have to understand the concept of “Jew” and “Israeli”. It just amzing how we want to embrace something that serves a few people when we claim to be educated and want to work for the masses.

  183. Can we send a letter to the President and request that the issue(dual citizen) is be raised in parliament.All in favour should address with the benefits the country will get and he will be respected for doing that.He has been un ambassador an therefore knows the advantages.Points like Uganda -the benefits it has recd. Immigration dept and the minister are ignorant and they have no clue what is happening round the world and in Africa.They are only interested as long as they can feel their pockets.

    Suggentions an action to be directed and less talk.

    Lets get some action…

    Send to all the MP’s if they want to be in office next term….

    Viva Zambia Viva one world .

  184. Ze Mule so your logic is if I benefit then somehow my benefit would make other people suffer? How exactly is me gaining dual citizenship proportional to peoples suffering. Name me one country where people have suffered because of others gaining dual nationaltiy. Your logic is simple from what I see, just because you will not benefit from it personally you want to stop it, in the west they call ‘crab in barrel mentality’. Your logic of ‘sitizadyako so tizaba juba is what is pulling the nation behind you purposely ignore economic benefits like Investment opportunities,Property ownership et al.

  185. And Israelis have Dual nationality with America so I suggest you be the one to do more research.

    The masses are not suffering because of zambians abroad or zambians seeking dual nationality. they are suffering because of poor governmental structure and policies. If anything zambians contribute a lot of money to alleviate suffering back home and yet people like Ze mule see’s them as hindrances. I suggest you look at yourself and ask yourself this Ze mule . Would you rather foreign investors exploit you and take money away from zambia or have a zambian from abroad invest and let the money stay in Zambia.

  186. Banton, I am not against your prosperity or success. I just don’t see why you insist on dual nationality. If asked to choose between Zed and say the UK or US the choice would be obvious. But why shpould I insist on embracing both? Whats my motive for that. If you can answer that honestly and objectively, I will join ranks with you. A “Zambian” from abroad with a foreign passport is the same as a foreign investor. I doubht he/she would even do his banking in Zed. It is not a solution to anything, it just makes things easier for only a few people…

  187. There is no crab in barrel mentality my friend. You don’t need dual citizenship to invest or be succesfull at what you do. If anything I’d be a huge beneficiary of it. But I do not agree with it. If you see my earlier post I gave an example of how dual citizenship has caused economies like americas to stagger. The likes of outsourcing has taken its toll. People get the dual citizenship but are employed by US firms in countries like India, the results are clear to see. You can refer to Lou Dobbs blog for more on that.
    My major point however is dual citizenship is not a solution or valid reason for any economic or polical issues

  188. #70 Arafat Patel, Probably you really dont know indians very well… Nvelako ka nkani… We have an indian here who works with an airline company. He eearns some good money but the life he leads… ‘ni so tambe’ To give you a picture, he keeps on pastering poor students for left overs, free internet, student bus cards and yet his salary is 10 times more than an average student in the hostel. He even rents out student hostels instead of an apartment. Do you imagine how mean they can be?

  190. You are against dual nationality which brings prosperity hence why you are against the later. A zambian with a zambian passport abroad is subject to restrictions immigration and financial restrictions. I will give you an example a british citizen can amass financial and business loans to excesses of even £1 million. Now the same investors that come to Zambia after being begged by zambian government and people are mostly british or american and when their amass their profits and wealth, they take that out of the country without even paying equitable rates of tax. Now if Zambians abroad were given the same power and wanted the money to remain in Zambia what burden or suffering would that

  191. Ze Mule Dual citizenship will bring a lot of foreign exchange, brains and wealth back into Zambia .The adverse which you insist will just please crabs in a barrel that they have succeeded in seeing people as stagnant as them . India ghana has already seen the benefits of dual nationality. And for an Excuse your use an economy like america saying it has staggered, you cannot compare zambia’s economy and America. We do not export weapons and wars to others countries like america. The only reason economies like america have staggered is because the wealth flow has changed and money is leaving america and thats what zambians with dual nationality will do. They will increase the flow of rev

  192. cont..from 191

    They will increase the flow of revenue from america to Zambia. Ask yourself another question ze mule isn’t Zambia staggering because a lot of the revenue is leaving the country.

  193. Ze Mule, I think you have a valid point. However, dual nationality has its own pros/cons. Given a choice between the US/UK and Z’…instinct tells me you would choose either. But critical thinking about choice reveals variables that can be based on personal circumstances. Although the issue dwells on investment, marriage/children with mixed parentage becomes problematic. Should choices of citizenship be based on economical circustances only? I think the change of citizenship from Zambian to either American/British is purely political as one does not automatically become a native but a member of civil society. Once born a Zambian..always a Zambian regardless of secondary status, citizenship.:-w

  194. I will watch Ghana and India and observe how this is aiding them. I am not praying for anyone’s failure but I do not see the long term beneficiary being the weaker economy(Ghana/India) as opposed to the economy whence the milk and honey is flowing…
    As for me and my house, we shall fly one and only one flag.

  195. I will watch Ghana and India and observe how this is aiding them. I am not praying for anyone’s failure but I do not see the long term beneficiary being the weaker economy(Ghana/India) as opposed to the economy from whence the milk and honey is flowing…
    As for me and my house, we shall fly one and only one flag.

  196. You don’t need to watch them because they have already ripped the benefits, instead of reading lou dobbs an americans opinion hear from actual ghanians and indians . India is one of the worlds fastest groiwng economies. Ghana adopted dual citizenship more than 5 years ago and the benefits they have had have even pushed the government to offer more incentives for diasporean ghanians. And as a Zambian passport holder I have every right to lobby the government to implement policies that can help me and as the nation as a whole. No government in this world should take petty rebellious behaviour based on personal freedoms when trying to help it’s citizens.

  197. Most of you have lost the point to what the diaspras are wanting. Forget the dual citizenship. We are not interested in voting etc. Our beef is that when we visit zed, or even decide to live in zed, we should be able to do that like any other zedian. After all we can prove that we are zedians. We take up other citizenship not because of some new alegency we have with the host countries; It is just a matter of survivor and economics. What is the minimum capital required to be an investor in zed today. $50,000 is what it used to be. Now I believe they have upped it to half a mil. How many in the diaspora can come up with that kind of cash? A zed should always be a zed regardless.

  198. Banton, so Indias economic resurgence and Ghanas apparent incentives are due to dual citizenship…WOW!
    You’re are beggining to sound more and more like a mother who’s son has committed murder or some other crime. I am not saying that all that comes from my mouth is true, acceptable,…etc but I think you should be able to identify the ills of your cause and not just table its benefits, albeit from your perspective

  199. Ze Mule Unless you have been living in a cave or a place with a news blackout I will give you the benefit of doubt to such ignorance. I do not know what economic media outlet but I will recommend the economist magazine , i suggest you visit their website and read the plethora of articles on how india has benefitted from dual nationali. Also check this weeks BBC hard talk theres an Indian successful dual nationality holder Lrd Paul he addresses India’s benefit from the dual nationality system. Surely Ones knowledge of whats not there does mean that knowledge exists not, so i suggest your get busy

  200. ZAMBIA STILL BACKWARDS…!!! In these modern trends of globalization, dual citizenship must be encouraged. Zambia still lives the colonial days of “bamwisa”. There will never be bamwisa. Liberate yourself mother Zambia, and stop living in fear of the unknown.

    Think seriously you guys opposing dual citizenship. Suppose its your own children with your foreign wife involved! What nationality will you immpose on the innocent children, at the expence of your beloved wife?

    Guys, I am sorry, but this is a no brainer, dual citizenship is innevitable, and we shall not rest, till we change the constitution to support dual citizenship.

  201. I think GRZ is looking at this issue from within, if Zambians abroad can get citizenship from other countries, so can forigners in zambia obtain zambian citizenship. If all the pipo claiming to be investors obtain zambian citizenship, what will stop them from say employing alians who all have dual citizenship but are not indiginous ? or owning mulitple properties to the detriment of Zambians ?. With the corruption in Zambia, if dual citizenship is allowed, belive me there will be no forigners in zambia. All of them will have Zed passpos. is this good or bad ???

  202. #201 in Ghana to obtain dual nationality you need your parents birth certificate . Not all investors have Zambian parent birth certificates if at all any. The dual nationality is not meant for every jim and jack it’s meant for people with a strong connection to zambia which accounts for roghly 95% of all zambians abroad. I don’t think you will ever see a muzungu coming as an investor with a birth certificate from Shangombo

  203. Visit the CDP Website;

    Type as ONE WORD- the citizens democratic party “dot” com

    The issue on dual citizenship is not well articulated. What is interesting is that it is something the CDP has anticipated for months, being that a lot of Zambian are now in the diaspora. PF/UPND/MMD have no comparable understanding on this issue.

  204. “Shushushu”, honestly, you have a point, but it is half fetched. Suppose we flip the coin! You will see that your point is 50/50, thus neutralized. Why do you people only think of what you will gain, and not what you will give out? Besides, Zambia is a country that can never survive without foreign aid. We are solely dependent on the so called foreigners, like Japan, USA, UK, and recently your president went begging in Nigeria. These so called foreigners can tear us apart if they want to, just like they have sunk Zimbabwe, which once upon a time (with white foreigners), was 100 times better than Zambia.

    Remembere, children born on Zambian soil, though of foreign parents, are Zambians

  205. KENYA only changed the constitution to accommodate dual citizenship after Obama’s firm! WHAT a shame on MOTHER AFRICA, for lack of foresight!!!

    Do you expect another OBAMA-like/Zambian in order for Zambia to embrance the benefits of dual nationality?

  206. I am not on here to call people names and allege another’s ignorance banton, so if that’s the way you wanna take it go ahead.
    We are of opposing viewpoints but that does not give me the right to border on being vulgar and disrespectfultand vice versa.
    That said, I believe what I believe(having delved deep into several resources) so if you think that what you believe is gospel, continue to fly with it, just make sure you have a parachute…
    Good luck

  207. # 202 you would be supprised at how many indians and whites were born in Zambia and have zambian birth certificates but now live abroad and have offspring them selves. What if all those offsping come to claim zambian citizenship and are hence allowed to apply for jobs. They will be comparetively better educated then most of our countrymen who would loseout on jobs. You can then forget protecting the indeginous zambians in the job market and in bussines.

    Anyway, this current citizenship law was formulated so as not to give the white British an unfair advantage over black Zambians just after independence..

  208. Shushushu, now you are talking, it was for the fear of bamwisa! Then, it was necessary, but modernity demands otherwise!! Dual citizenship has is the way to go for any country now!

    We used to go to many commonwealth countries without a visa for atleast 6 months. We lost this previlage simply because Zambia has failed and teneciously refused to subscribe to dual natioanality.

  209. I have an american son. I don’t see him trying to go and live in zambia. Diasporas are not looking for work in zed. Not me for sure. Just being able to go about my business in Zambia as a Zambian, is all we want. This would give us the security that whatever investments we pursue in zed cannot be taken away by some overzelous gov employee trying to make a point. There are not manu disporas that want to live out here if they had an option to live home.

  210. Guys just face it… dual citizenship might be a dream far awayfor Zedians.. ASUTRALIA FROM SEPT/OCT 2008 all those those who aplied for citizenship had their passports clipped (according to one of my Indian colleagues)..so that you do not use it anywhere else.. that is ? part of anti- terrorism.. so bane dual citizenship might be a billion dreams away for Zedi, or it might be a viscious circle… (you get it today thy cancell it tomorrow)..

    TRY YOUR LUCK..

  211. #210, point of correction.. should read, had their old passports clipped- so that its invalid….(Original p/p where their PR is stamped)

    And FYI GUYS its 1500hrs Zedian time for me.. not what others think of… (looks like it gets to other peoples head.)

  212. What baffles me is the publicity capital that the dept of immigration tries to make out of issues such as this one. What about guys like Katanga governor, Moses Katumbi, at one time we were told he was Zedian only to see him switching nationalities? Also we have Matthews Papa Kamwashi and Mwamba (footballers) who at one time even played and scored goals for Zambia 11. Peter Chinula ( I hope it is not Chinyula?)de4ported to Malawi after supposedly having been Zambian for a long time during the Kaunda era. Where was the immmigration? Be consistent in your dealings.
    Bena Zed what’s your take on this one.

  213. Even worse is the fact that Kamwashi was here in Zambia last month under the name Kanku Mukelekai. He even gave an interview to the Post newspaper giving reasons why he switched nationalities. Just like that. And he got away with it.

  214. Good morning all! :)>-

    Very interesting article indeed. Just this week there was that article on the Diaspora where some of my brothers and sisters were promoting dual citizenship. Nomba yazandila umunenu and all of a sudden i see a lot of comments from the same people saying “how can you butter both sides of your bread”, “if things went wrong, were do you run to?” etc… I hope Maworld my friend has seen this article too.
    Most bloggers are hypocritical!! Nothing more. You say one thing today, tomorow, anaza!

  215. Most of us dont even understand the implication of dual citizenship. The fact is: Its either you are in the kitchen or you are in the living room!
    You cant be in both rooms at the same time. So what will it be, my dear collegues? Are you Zambians or not? Honestly the comments i have seen from some of you are the opposite of what you said on monday! (I can name you if you dare me!)
    Mwansekesha sana. Ati, “you cant butter your fimo fimo”? Just admit and accept: You are a Zambian citizen, and guess what, we still love you!!
    Now what can be better than that?

  216. Help…. for some of us not in the country, will our passports be invalid should they not be changed by february. Someone knowledgable please advise.

  217. This is what I wrote about the other day. Zambia should give dual citizenship instead of just saying invest in Zambia, yet on the other side you want to tax us merciless

  218. This is why we are all taking up other Countries Citizenship. What Country is this that changes passports every 2 to 3 years? Even if it’s a way of raising money, please lets do it properly. In the descent Countries where we are getting Citizenship, if the have to change a Passport, at least they allow the current valid ones to expire on their expiry date. The majority of Zambians who have passports live outside the Country. How do they expect Zambians to run back ALL the time just to change a passport? We have important hard earned jobs here. We are trying to earn a living that Mother Zambia denied us. Please!!!

  219. Finshi mufwaya mwe bantu? You have made your choices and if you believe in them you will have no problem giving up your Zambian passport. Zambia is suffering from a massive brain drain so if you have chosen to be part of this drain to our nation we can choose to drain you.

  220. There is a lot of Zambians out here with dual citizenship. If you are one,just play it safe so that you are not caught. Remember its only illegal when you are caught. For clarity’s sake, if your current old passport expires in 2015, you can still use it to enter Zambia anytime before 2015. But once you enter Zed you will not be allowed to use it when leaving the country.

  222. I have one word for you people SECURITY!!!!!

    Just ask the Europeans how dual citizenship has worked against them. France and the UK are now breeding grounds from terrorists who claim allegiance to rogue nations while enjoying the benefits of living in Europe. Analyze the issues that come with Dual Citizenry and ask the people that came up with these laws why they came up with them in the first place. These laws stemmed from issues of SECURITY and they are more so relevant with the global terrorist threat.

  223. Other countries allow their citizens to go make money in other countries and then make the environment suitable for them to invest home. But in Zed people make money then they are told to go hang whereever they are. Please let me have your comments

  224. #218

    I beg to differ with you. who tells you the majority of Zambians with Passports are outside the country? where did you get your statistics from ?

  225. Ba Moze

    Morning Mudala wandi.Yes I have the article,Iam suspecting you to be the source of this news :-j:-j(just Joking).But to tell you the truth big man I cant denounce my country’s citizenship just because kuno yalikala.I love my country so much that Iam not ready to denounce my citizenship.My brother has all the qualifications that are needed to get a RSA’s citizenship and once he is a citizen of RSA him
    and all of us living under his roof we are entitled to some preveledges of south african(e.g Bursaries).But we have told ourselves not to denounce our Zambian citizenship.We are proud of our country and we will continue to be proud of it.

  226. For those managing to retain dual citizenship, what is the point, your children born wherever wont be dual citizens. So you might as well give it up now and hand in your Zambian passports. Move on.

  227. Matworld

    Hi boy. Thats the spirit! Anonymous at#222 has a very valid and solid point also.
    Mudala, kubafye efyo waba! We copy stuff that we dont even understand. Thats the proplem we have in this country. Ati dual citizenship? Lwenu!

  228. #226 Anonymous

    I seem to believe that our collegues are looking at this issue fron an angle of fashion rather than looking at the implications…in fact, long term implications. Believe you me, most of them dont even understand what this really means. 😮

  229. 226 Anonymous
    The children too can have dual citizenship since they are zambians by descent. To have dual citizen ship you don’t have to be a Zambian.

  231. Just what is wrong with dual citizenship? Do they suspect that Nkandu will spy for England? Is Zambia at war with Britain? One needs Zambian citizenship for non-negotiable connections to one’s ancestors dating to way back before the current colonial borders were cooked up. One also needs European or American paper in order to enjoy free movement and access to “Whites only” global resources such as human dignity and a living wage. We must fight colonial mentality and xenophobia if we are to ever enjoy our independence.

  232. Other countries allowed their people to make money out of african countires and invest it in their own countires without restrictions but for African countires we fight our own who have made money and want to use it to develop our country.

  233. The NCC I believe, looked at most of the concerns being brought out on this thread. I think they have already summed up their recommendations I suppose.

    People NCC might as well have been plugged to LT for a wider input!?

  234. The matter of citizenship transcends personal benefit but also affects a whole range of items. The wider the input on this the better. Unfortunately some very vocal people are permanently against the NCC. My friends, shouting and blogging is not enough for such issues to be addressed!

  235. To quote 229 who wrote: “To have dual citizen ship you don’t have to be a Zambian.” There in lies the problem. How far do you go with this? How do you filter out the good intentioned from the bad intentioned? Do you grant Zambian citizenship to any Jim or Jack? Then whats the point of having borders? National security goes up in smoke.

    SECURITY!!!

  236. The whole purpose of NCC was to have the widest possible input on matters that will affect individuals and the whole country as a whole. As good as some of the points being raised are, this is just not the right forum.

    Very good points are falling on deaf ears? No! Wrong avenue. We have this tendency as Zambians to drag along and fail to appreciate inititiatives which would ensure our concerns and matters are heard and addressed by Government.

    NCC no need but GRZ must hear us!

  237. The NCC is such a vital move! SATA says no. Here are bloggers contributing on matters that they rightly believe are pertinent alas through the wrong forum. Well who do you blame? Someone has convinced them that the NCC is a blood sucking animal which turns its victims into blood sucking, money hungry human vampires.

  238. You cannot have Zambian and other citizenship because it is not legal
    in Zambia. The Constitution states that if you are a Zambian who
    acquires other citizenship, you need to renounce your Zambian citizenship – otherwise you cease to be a Zambian automatically after
    three months. Continuing to hold a Zambian passport thereafter, does
    not mean you have dual citizenship – you are merely breaking the
    Zambian law – especially if you travel to Zambia on a Zambian passport and it is discovered that you in fact changed nationality
    more than three months ago. Your foreign passport will always state where you were born – hence easier to obtain residence status.

  239. Our enlightened Town councilors who are better placed to ensure that widest possible input from them to affect GRZ structure are yet in the forefront sneering at open-wide avenues at their disposal.

    Probably, no wonder Politicians tend to take advantage of the masses. The sheep are perpetually lost and behind. The sheep however, when they discover this, turn to wolves for advise.

  240. #118, Zedian mu SASA,
    You are wrong if you think that most Zambian with pasports live outside. Then, when did the Zambian Government change the passports? I still have the same one since 1999 which I have to change this year. Zambia has to move with Techonology. I am London, immigrations Laws change almost every month.
    If you have chosen to be a SOUTH AFRICAN, enjoy and denounce your Zambian citizenship. Too bad, that is what is the Zambian consistitution states and those inteligent people had reasons. so enjoy being in a Racist Republic of South Africa(RSA) :((~X(

  241. Mr. level-headed

    Are you aware that the issue of ‘Dual Citizenship’ has been an item of consideration in the ongoing NCC?

  242. #207
    Theres not a noticeble number of investors that have parents that have zambian birth certificates. And if they were the basis of colour does not preclude them being zambian because I know some muzungus who have been in Zambia since the 1950’s and are as zambian as they come. The majority of investors are foreign born without any attachment to zambia at all hence why they always take money back to their homeland

  243. Dual citizenship was abolished during the Kaunda days – it was all
    based on the paranoia of the time. Remember SITET? It was thought
    persons with dual citizenship were taking advantage of their status
    to engage in ‘ama deals’. Nothing wrong with dual citizenship per se,
    as long as it is known to the authorities through your passport,
    where you were originally born. In normal circumstances, it should be
    an economic advantage to either country – Others still argue, though,
    that it may still be abused for selfish reasons like tax evasion or
    illegal activities.

  244. Some of you are very dull , do you honestly think passports have anything to do with national security. If you think so ask yourself who made the machines that print those passports[-( . This is not 1964 where spies had to travel and ask questions to find out national security this is the digital age where every mobile phone is a potential listening device. You don’t even need to be smart to get zambian intelligence just buy the shushushu’s some beer and they will sing like birds

  245. If I am not mistaken, the NCC have already recommended, the provision of ‘Dual Citizenship’ in our constitution.

  246. I am aware that the issue of ‘Dual Citizenship’ is before the NCC.
    They may or may not decide to re-instate it. They will obviously
    debate – supposedly on behalf of Zambians, on the benefits or disadvantages of re-introducing it. I was merely stating the current position. Some people think by holding on to the Zambian passport,
    while they have obtained other citizenship, they have dual nationality.

  247. Zambian Constitution

    Article 5 [Children of Zambia]
    A person born in or outside Zambia after the commencement of this Constitution shall become a citizen of Zambia at the date of his birth if on that date at least one of his parents is a citizen of Zambia.

  248. to be honest with you, my father’s parents were malawians but my dad was born in Zambia, he renounced his malawian citizen and choose to be Zambian. he therefore renounced for us that were born after his renounciation but if i wanted to reclaim i would still do. my brothers have choosen to be malawians and they hold malawian passports and work here in Zambia as foreigners. you can not just have it both bane. it could work for other countries but obviously our Government has looked at it from both sides.

  249. To be honest this dual citizenship thing doesn’t benefit Zambia at all. Diaspora people just want to show off to other Zambians when they visit Zambia that we are also British or American blah blah blah. Although I don’t have many privileges as a native Zambian has since I am not one, I somehow agree with the Zambian law. its either you are Zambian or not! Period 🙂

  250. #249
    Thank you for being honest with us , your reason seems to be the sole prevalent reason for the discent.

  251. #249. You are right. You can not have it both ways. Even those chaps I see demonstrating every weekend in the UK against comrade Robert Mugabe are just masquerading as Zimbabweans. They should all get British citizenship and shut up!

  253. I can just imagine the debates we don’t want dual nationality because ‘ they will blah blah show off'[-( . I have never seen such insecure pathetic excuses . Sometimes I wonder why some of you even bother to show your bitter opinions when the issue is dual citizenship will be a choice and a choice for those that need it. You want to block something that has nothing to do with you just because you are scared of show off’s? Have you ever seen Malaria patients blocking doctors from helping cholera patients. This is truely a sad day that highlights how poverty has morally bankrupted some of you

  255. Shalapungu banton #253

    I have been following this debate for sometime and the arguments put across areinteresting. However, tell me one thing. Your example of malaria patients blocking doctors from………., really how is that connected to yhis topic? How relevant is that example to the issue at handa? You have called people expressing opinions as dull. what makes you the genius here? 😕

  256. #253 denouncing your citizenship means you don’t want anything to do with the other country and everything with the other. Simple! One can work in a foreign country without denouncing citizenship of their original country. isn’t it? Be proud of your country (and not countries) guys please! 😉

  257. Ba moze if they can clone sheep ask yourself will it be hard for them to clone a passport, anyone that thinks passport is a secure block for security is nothing less than dull. The analogy of the malaria and cholera patients is simple, dual nationality will not affect a zambian in zambia that loves at all if anything it will benefit them. I have been looking for a good reason to see why dual nationality would be disadvantageous but only reasons I seem to see are ones where people want to stop it because they don’t want others to benefit. Plus I never called myself the genius but thank you anyway

  258. #256 The issue is dual nationality not rennouncing citizenship. Maybe you have comprehension problems which can be helped by revisiting the english textbook ‘Gateway to grade 7’ that may help you. The issue at hand is people seeking dual nationality so stay focused ! I suggest you reread the topic at hand . I am in support of a lobby to push for dual nationality which in the long run benefit zambia , you on the other hand are worried about your ego being bruised by show off’s

  259. #257. Shalapungu Banton. Picture this – If you were to be arrested for terrorist activities in Iraqi and you had dual Zambian and British citizenship, and assume GUANTANAMO would be closed, to which country will you be extradited for trial of justice? You got to have an unambigouos identity. Your nationality matters here.

  260. # 257, this thing about calling others dull….. yes you call your self a genious. just denounce your citizenship if you want. why be one leg there one leg here if Zambia has been what you guys have been calling (names). why cling to Zambia, atase, wanasha

  261. Just a warning to those who hold a Zambian and another country’s citizenship.. IT IS A CRIME as the law stands today. All the Zedian government has to do to fish you out is to ask the other governments which of its citizens have got their new citizenship. PUT you act together NOW!! Make a decision if you still want to be a Zambian or not!

  262. #259
    It is the nationals that do not have dual nationality that are stuck in Guantanamo at this moment as I type . So am sure you can find a better example or are you just like ka’doyo,

  263. Shalapungu Banton, if you have something to contribute to the debate do so without being patronising or condescending else whatever point you are trying to make is lost.

  264. #260 Show me where I called myself a GENIOUS ( [-( ) . You must have cataracts of a vivid imagination to make such a claim. And who are you to tell me what to do with my country Zambia, i don’t remember appointing you as my parent

  265. Thats sad for people who want to be recognised by two nationalities. Be proud of who you are for one can not be born twice.

  270. Shalapungu Banton

    I seem to recall you being an advocate of progressive speech on LT. surprisingly, i find you very rude and extremely arrogant for my liking! you have an attitude problem that requires major counselling. All you need to do is put across your views instead of patronising your fellow bloggers. You have a problem. major problem!!

  271. obviously you are dull, judging by how you are running away from your own points….. i dont have to tell you what to do with your country because you have the right to that like i do – Proudly Zambian. even if a child like you had to appoint me to be a parent i would never! over my dead body.

  273. OK simply put – most coun tries allow dual or even multiple nationality, why not Zambia? Is it heaven on earth or something?

  274. #270 tough deal with it , am not trying to be your friend

    #271 The answer was already given in #262 surely I do not need even to insult you because you just insulted yourself

  275. # 264 by the way, you are not dull and you are not genious, what are you?! ndefwaya fwaya! just trying to place you.

  276. #275 it’s Genius not Genious. Do me a big favour if you see my postings don’t read them or ever bother addressing me. Instead of trying to place me somewhere in your deluded mental ladder do yourself a favour and pick up a dictionary or a Mulenga and Jelita book

  277. Martin Mubanga had dual nationality. Where did it get him? It just made him look more suspect.

    Martin Mubanga is a joint citizen of both the United Kingdom and Zambia. He was held, without charge, and interrogated at the American prison at Guantanamo Bay for 33 months. In January 2005, when American authorities transferred him to UK custody, after a brief interrogation British officials determined there were no grounds to charge Mubanga with any crimes, and he was released.
    However Under the Royal Prerogative, the United Kingdom government has declined to issue a new passport to Mubanga and three other of the nine freed British Guantanamo detainees.

  280. # 274 Believe you me, even if you were the last person on earth, i really doubt if i could put up with you, let alone be your friend. Just discuss the issue. I really feel sorry for you. You definately have some disorder of some sort affecting your personality. easy to tell actually. Had a bad chilhood perhaps? Nothing wrong in sharing, you know. We could help!

  281. #277 Shalapangu fimo fimo pretends he does not know the facts you are putting foward. issues of dual nationality have a history of severe risk where security is concerned. He wants to deny even simple facts such as these!

  282. No my childhood was made of your dreams , if I had a pathetic upbringing I would probably share your petty view of being against people that seek good . I never asked for your friendship so Your words are meaningless to me , if you are looking for friends wait for the sunday times philip Chirwa deals with a lonely hearts section. So Keep words like ‘keeping up with you’ for your wife not for male bloggers that care less if you drop dead even now. The issue at hand has already been discussed all the disadvantages to having dual nationality are only shared by a pathetic few who are too myopic to see it’s benefits. As the saying goes to one that does not know a garden may seem like a forest

  283. #277 Martin Mubanga was protected by UK law . If he was a zambian passport holder alone he would still be in Guantanamo.If he was only a national of zambia alone you can bets believe these chaps on here would be laughing at himwhile he rotted there. This is just one of the benefits of international law when it comes to Dual citizenship that chaps like Ba Moze will never fathom in their little minds.

  284. how come the same people who works in the ministry where they refuse to give natives dual passports sells NRC’s and passports of deceased Zambians to Ghanians and other West african nationals?

  285. #282
    Wanasha mwaiche! Like i said i feel sorry for you. you are full of pain and anger. I suggest you take some time off and pray. You are lost. And to make matters worse, lost in the Diaspora!! God Bless you

  286. #285 ,On the contrary am full of vigour and happiness, I do not expect a person of your calibur to relate or even understand me. The ball is already rolling , at the end of it all we will see who prevails in the dual nationality issue, the powers that be are already knowledgeble on the matter. I hope you keep up with your tirade of being anti- globalist lets see what that will take you. I wish I could recommend a good shrink to help you with your Diasporrhea , a disease where somebody turns salty when they talk about diasporee’s

  287. Whee someone has a valid point, there is no need to feel intimidated about it. No need to patronize each other or try to down play their contributions. I think Mr. Baton has made his point.

  289. # 285. Ba Moze, let me sign off with a bit of skanking for this Shalapungu Banton chap:

    …you’re running and running and running away,

    …you’re running and running and running away,

    BUT YOU CAN NOT RUN AWAY FROM YOURSELF!

    I believe that was Bob Marley? Good day.

  290. Guys if people want dual citizenship let them get it. we already are hearing that those detainees at Guatanamo with such are stuck there while those from the UK have retained. I think its because these guys have no known original, they have to do a lot of explaining or start the renounciation process while in jail. it obviously has some disadv and adv. those who are fighting for it know better. the colleagues on the site should also stop attacking other peoples contributions. its better not to play more knowledgeable than others. this english thing, we are Zambians and we all have our mother tongue, than claiming you are better than others and maintain dictionaries in your heads. **==

  291. #286
    I will discuss issues when you are mature enough to discuss them. You are nothing but a time waster on the blogg who does nothing but patronise others. You are a total disgrace shapa…whatever! Yes, people of my calibre (smarter than you) cannot discuss issues with the likes of your type (shallow minded).
    Get off my back, you fake lawyer!!!

  292. now this guy Martin Nkandu, chali shani? i mean didnt he plan his holiday for him to want to elude Visa payment? i mean taishile na ma $s. please educate me because i am on the verge of sending my bro to either the USA and UK, i hear he can make big bucks in a short time and be able to buy a house back home. **==

  293. You must be hurting deep down I sense a loss of composure a sure sign of accepting defeat. A man should never get emotional on a blog especially to strangers who don’t know or care about you. You don’t need to create lies to make yourself feel better about me Ba moze , you already know what I am and further recital of this matter will just depress you. Is it not funny that somebody like you who claims to be smart was busy laughing at people’s odd jobs just few days back, A smart person doesn’t need to thrive on gossip and laugh at people to make himself feel better. Like it or not Dual citizenship is coming ba Moze I suggest you Man up and accept reality

  295. Banton

    you are just not worth the energy my friend! You are what we call “small fish”. find someone your own size!! :)>-
    Happy blogging!!

  296. Heeee, ni ba Lawyer?! mwabepa Ba Moze but then, let this Shalasomething not distruct you. at least you have shaken it off your body and hope it stays that way.
    Ba Moze napapata,

  297. Pathetic you actually were using energy , a trait of a dundahead. Small fish you say , you might be ignorant of this as well (not surprising) fish are born small and grow into big things. Am probably half your age but give it time I will probably employ you one day .

  298. # 294,
    Ine, am in Zed, in Lusaka and Longacres to be precise. umwaiche alefwaya ukuya ku America olo ku UK. I have told him that I have heard such as washing dishes, looking after old people, baby siting but I havent seen anyone in my time who has returned rich or something like that. But umwaiche a lelwisha fye, nati maybe akaye yi mwena. **==

  302. May I suggest that those who want to communicate with each other, please move their conversation to another interface such as skype. That way you can continue with your conversation without affecting this thread. We note your contributions but the infighting is not helping the blog.

  303. I will repeat my sentiments again, yes, repeat again for the likes of shushula Banton. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t be loyal(in every sense of the word) to two things at the same time. Even in a household parents unite as one to avoid issues like that. I’ve read up on India(Ghana to follow) and nuthin’ suggests that the economy there in surging because of dual citizenship. The examples you gave are isolated little incidents. Currently the biggest economic growth is being experinced in China, and according to you, we must give props to dual citizenship for that… You can only have one at a time. Choose and get on with life

  304. In the case of Israel allowing dual nationality with the US ask yourself why only with the US and not say with Zambia?
    You can only be Jewish by descent, Israeli nationality is a whole different ballgame.

  309. am trevelling to zambia in april with my old passport to get it renewed,am told it takes 5days express if you pay k500,is it true

  310. How can Zambia honestly make a big issue out of this when in reality they are the ones on the benefitting side of things. Most people abroad (using the citizenship that they have attained in various respective countries) have found jobs and are working very hard to improve things back home. Some no brainers will argue and say they dont see what we do, but let them be reminded that mome people living abroad nowadays are now much wiser are investing in things like property construction which in turn provides employment and income for people such as “BA DAKA” the plumber.

    LET BRITAIN , GERMANY , USA ETC COMPLAIN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT INVESTING MONEY EARNED IN THE ECONOMIES OF THESE COUNTRIES

  311. IT SEEMS THAT YOU WOULD RATHER WE ALL STAYED AT HOME AND KEEP MOANING THAT THE GOVT HAS NEGLECTED US BY NOT PROVIDING ANY JOBS. THERE WERE NO JOBS IN Z, PEOPLE USED THEIR INITIATIVE AND MIGRATED. LIFE ABROAD AS A NON BRITISH/ NON AMERICAN WAS NOT EASY- SAME DONKEY JOBS FOR MANY YEARS AGAIN WE WERE FORCED TO USE OUR INITIATIVES, BECAME CITIZENS OF THESE COUNTRIES SO WE COULD FIND BETTER JOBS. NOW THAT WE’VE GOT BETTER JOBS, WE ARE SENDING TIPPERS, TRUCKS, BUSES INVESTING IN BUILDINGS E.T.C. SOME OF OUR FRIENDS AND RELATIVES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH EMPLOYMENT AS A RESULT.
    WE LOVE OUR COUNTRY SO MUCH AND WE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO RENOUNCE ITS CITIZENSHIP. CHANGE THE LAWS

  313. ZE MULE i think this banton guy`s point in regard to india and ghana are actually very true. its been in the media for a while and thses govts are trying to improve on policies that would encourage their people in other countries invest back home.i cant refer to specific material but i have come across it time and again.try CNN,achives.he had good points despit imiponto

  314. SupperGal
    Ze Mule is just another Dundahead, I give up trying to educate these chaps on The benefits of dual nationality. They are rude to diasporee’s and yet when they taste their own medicine they jump like monkeys. If I have to explain how benefitial dual nationality is most likely am talking to a NRDC dropout.

    I give up conversing with such bloggers you lose braincells . i would rather preserve my representations for someone thats in power not somebody that works as a messenger mu office in zambia

  315. I point it out in #180. Its pointless arguing with with Dundaheads like Ze Mule. Ba Moze etc. Their level of anlysing things is very shallow, kubalekafye.

    Shalapungu, i like your comments for they are educative. It shows you are very alert to events around you.

    Get aka red nokubalabakofye bakandile..

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